| <danielveazey> greetings | |
| <TommyT> howdy | |
| <danielveazey> i'm early | |
| <TommyT> it's good you are early... we can have things going and then I will probably need to drop out in a half hour or so | |
| <danielveazey> anyone know anything about python? | |
| <TommyT> I know very little. There are some active python folks around, though | |
| <TommyT> do you know about the Python Arkansas group? | |
| <danielveazey> no | |
| <TommyT> here's their email list page http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2 | |
| <danielveazey> sweet | |
| <danielveazey> thanks | |
| <TommyT> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyAr2 is the closest i'm finding for a web site | |
| <danielveazey> cool cool | |
| <TommyT> Greg Lindstrom is the main person I know in the group. He lives in Conway, and I believe he works at NovaSys with Chad Files | |
| <TommyT> good evening, topstrok | |
| <topstrok> Hello, any early birds here? | |
| <TommyT> early birds but we're low on worms | |
| <TommyT> ;-) | |
| <topstrok> I keep in in touch with you guys even though I spend much of my time tinkering. I thought I had borked my Linux Mint install. I'm learning Tomcat6. | |
| <TommyT> I haven't had time to be very adventuresome lately -- just ubuntu the last few months | |
| <topstrok> I had installed and installed one too many times. I had to get thorough with it. | |
| <TommyT> kwadroke usually has several that he has been working with. haven't seen him yet tonight | |
| <topstrok> kwadoroke says he'll be on tonight. | |
| <topstrok> I keep up with the emails even though I don | |
| <topstrok> don't always speak. | |
| <TommyT> What are you hoping to do with Tomcat6? | |
| <topstrok> Well, I want to do a JavaBeans reverse ssh terminal command line through a web browser. A subset of available BASH commands. | |
| <TommyT> greetings, az7! | |
| <topstrok> Greetings, az7 also. | |
| <TommyT> topstrok: I know a lot of those terms, but I don't know what they mean strung together. | |
| <az7> hi hi all | |
| <TommyT> Javabeans reverse ssh has me mystified | |
| <topstrok> Let me give you an example. Let's say you work for a company, to which I'm currently unemployed, and you can't install anything. I want to tap my home pc for tools, specifically vim and emacs, and be able to do it through a browser. Also, I don't wish to have to buy a static ip for my trouble. | |
| <TommyT> OK. So you have a port open on your home network that you can ssh into? | |
| <yoyoned> topstrok: sounds interesting. I think something like thai is built into webmin | |
| <topstrok> With a web service you do. Openssh.org (i think) and others. This means i can tunnel into my home pc from anywhere. | |
| <yoyoned> I just use putty and dyndns | |
| <TommyT> Greetings, MarchHair! | |
| <MarchHair> Hey TommyT! Chat night tonight, eh? | |
| <TommyT> Yes, chat night! | |
| <TommyT> We're just discussing early birds and beans | |
| <TommyT> :-) | |
| <topstrok> I've looked at putty and have not ruled it out. I just want to go deeper and explore the areas I have not explored. I'm wanting to know everything about all the available tools. And I'm looking at Tomcat6. After Tomcat6, then Geronimo with its virtual command line. | |
| <MarchHair> that use putty and dyndns? (joining this conversation already in progress...) | |
| <MarchHair> ahhh. beans as in jaaaava.... | |
| <topstrok> After Visual Studio, I just love JavaBeans. | |
| <topstrok> The bottom line is that I'm a cheapskate. I want the value of a static ip without having to go to the bother of the thing. | |
| <TommyT> yoyoned suggested something like that is in webmin -- I haven't used webmin in awhile, but the cli page was pretty limited | |
| <TommyT> with the java beans I presume you were hoping to emulate all sorts of shell features | |
| <TommyT> sortof a remote terminal? | |
| <topstrok> webmin. That's a new one. That's something I can research. Geronimo, from its documentation purports to be able to give the user a set of commands -- or a shaved-down set. | |
| <topstrok> It's kind of like -- although I'm always all sticky in the Windows world, I like being able to reach out and touch the open source. Kind of like Ivory Soap and a scrub brush. | |
| <topstrok> I did a brief search and webmin expects root privileges, and I ultimately don't wish to have to be root. Root is not a good place to be in after all. | |
| <TommyT> There are lots of little kinks in webmin. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't really get you very far. | |
| <TommyT> I don't think it's the direction you are looking for, anyway. It's more of a system management tool | |
| <topstrok> That's why I'm thinking Geronimo. You can exclude commands you don't want included. At this point, I'm exploring. I'm still reading the documentation and trying to get the big picture. | |
| <TommyT> Just a quick glance at their web site makes me think Eclipse is farther along than other environments under Geronimo. | |
| <TommyT> but that doesn't sound like the direction you are interested in, either | |
| <topstrok> I have Eclipse installed also, and I have not ruled it out, but I'm seeing more features under NetBeans. I really just need the big picture though. | |
| <topstrok> In a nutshell, from Geronimo | |
| <topstrok> from Geronimo | |
| <TommyT> I have been searching for some of these terms, and I think I understand a little better | |
| <TommyT> but one thing I am not sure about -- you want to use some sort of service to do the tunneling and NAT traversal, etc., right? | |
| <topstrok> from Geronimo's documentation, the commands exposed are those commands exposed from the user account you wish. And then, only the subset of commands you wish. | |
| <topstrok> There are free services that offer reverse ssh. Openssh is one of them. And keep in mind, this is not just big bandwidth stuff either. I have a friend with a restaurant that keeps tabs on his cameras in the restaurant using this technology. And he's only on Windows. | |
| <TommyT> are you talking about openssh.com or another site? | |
| <TommyT> i don't see a service at that site | |
| <topstrok> I will find it, and forward the link to you. I have been on a marathon learning spree, my mind is not completely clear. | |
| <TommyT> that's OK... I probably will have to go soon. I am just curious. I know of several commercial "desktop sharing" services but wasn't aware of a lower-level ssh tunnel service | |
| <topstrok> I have a link to it. Just it's because Linux being Linux, I have 5 separate accounts. Unlike Windows, I have a separate account for the task at hand. | |
| <topstrok> I will find it and send it though. | |
| <topstrok> I didn't want to leave anybody hanging, but here is the link that got me studying the issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Z_YAUGVLM&feature=related This is the link I got. I'll find others, but the subject is fascinating. For my part, I wish to be able to thrive and do work with the tools -- open sourced of course. | |
| <topstrok> Tools being emacs and vim. | |
| <topstrok> Tommy, I shall bid you goodnight. I must go to bed. I plan on being at the Carlug a week from Saturday. I hope to see you there. Robert | |
| <TommyT> I know you're gone now -- I've been away from the keyboard. I see now what you mean. | |
| <TommyT> topstrok's video describes how to set up a Windows system to ssh tunnel by installing cygwin and some other tools. As we know, the pieces are usually already installed or easily installed in a typical linux setup.... | |
| <TommyT> I thought he was using some sort of third-party service to implement NAT traversal, etc., but that video just has you open a port on your router that you can use to connect to your PC. There are some other techniques that you can use depending on your router. | |
| <TommyT> good night, all! |