| <linuxboy> hi morgs | |
| <morgs> hi linuxboy | |
| <Vhata> hi morgs | |
| <morgs> hi Vhata | |
| <morgs> hi everybody else | |
| <Vhata> is ubuntu-za moderated? | |
| <morgs> The channel? | |
| <Vhata> the list | |
| <morgs> Not really. | |
| <Vhata> "not really" ? | |
| <morgs> Members' posts get through, but there is technically a moderation interface which is never attended to. | |
| <morgs> It kind of just allows an admin to check the spam trap. | |
| <morgs> So no. | |
| <Vhata> my post on the wiki thread never made it through | |
| <morgs> OK, I'll try to get the admin password from Craig so that someone checks the spam trap... | |
| <Vhata> it's probably best that it doesn't make it through ;-) | |
| <Vhata> it's fine | |
| * Vhata fears breaking the Ubuntu CoC | |
| <morgs> Ah, a rant rant...? | |
| <Vhata> no | |
| <Vhata> I just wasn't 100% polite to somebody who was whining about a wiki | |
| <Vhata> it's a wiki. fix it. | |
| <Vhata> that's the point of wikis | |
| <Vhata> | |
| <Vhata> The URLs on the "edit" page are broken - you'll find they're missing the | |
| <Vhata> "Wiki" part before the page title that all the other pages on the wiki have: | |
| <Vhata> http://www.ubuntu-za.org/Wiki/SyntaxReference | |
| <Vhata> http://www.ubuntu-za.org/Wiki/HelpOnEditing | |
| <Vhata> However, these two pages are properly linked to from the sidebox on all | |
| <Vhata> the other pages of the wiki. | |
| <Vhata> This should be fixed by the wiki admin, since it's part of the site | |
| <Vhata> setup. It's a bug, but the pages are still there (or available on the | |
| <Vhata> main moinmoin site which is linked to from all the pages on the wiki). | |
| <Vhata> | |
| <Vhata> ^^^ useful for you, btw | |
| <morgs> The wiki does need love. However a wiki page to trac(k) tasks will do fine... | |
| <morgs> biab | |
| <skoenman> ok can someone help me im getting a funny error when triing to connect to my linux mail server | |
| <skoenman> The connection to the server has failed. Account: '192.168.1.71', Server: '192.168.1.71', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E | |
| <skoenman> now i have setup postfix and dovecot | |
| <skoenman> and both postfix and dovecot are running | |
| <morgs> skoenman: Sorry, it's been a while since I've admined a mail server and I used exim... | |
| <morgs> skoenman: Can you telnet to the port? | |
| <skoenman> yeah i got i right loaded courier pop3 | |
| <skoenman> but now im having a prob getting authed | |
| <skoenman> i have created the user and made it part of the mail group | |
| <skoenman> this is what it says in the sys log | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 13:05:12 raidserv courierpop3login: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.90] | |
| <skoenman> what do you think i need to do ???(im going on lunch quick so you can just paste you answer ill get it when i get back | |
| <morgs> hi ghvoltage | |
| <morgs> skoenman: Unfortunately I haven't used courier, so I can't help with this :( | |
| <highvoltage> hi morgs :) | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | |
| <skoenman> anybody home??? | |
| * Vhata | |
| * linuxboy too | |
| <skoenman> lol | |
| <skoenman> linuxboy tell me what mail system do you guys use??? | |
| <Vhata> hmmph | |
| <Vhata> why him and not me? | |
| * Vhata sulks | |
| <skoenman> yeah anybody | |
| <Vhata> skoenman: dovecot is a nice replacement for courier | |
| <skoenman> hmm yeah well if i can get it to work itll be cool | |
| <skoenman> but it doesnt seem to work | |
| <Vhata> "doesn't work" ? | |
| <Vhata> it sits at home all day, watching 7de Laan and drinking beer? | |
| <skoenman> says something about not having permissions even though i install and run it from root | |
| <Vhata> what distribution are you using? | |
| <skoenman> dovecot | |
| <skoenman> ubuntu server | |
| <skoenman> 6.06 | |
| <Vhata> and you went: aptitude install dovecot-pop3d | |
| <Vhata> and then: /etc/init.d/dovecot start | |
| <Vhata> ? | |
| <skoenman> hmm | |
| <skoenman> k ill try that one | |
| <Vhata> wait | |
| <skoenman> i installed dovecot-common | |
| <Vhata> how did you install it if that's not what you did? | |
| <Vhata> alsof | |
| <Vhata> also | |
| <skoenman> apt-get install dovecot-common | |
| <Vhata> you said it "says something about not having permissions" ? | |
| <skoenman> yeah wait ill get it now | |
| <Vhata> the error message it gives will be the thing that tells you what is wrong | |
| <skoenman> ill tell you now | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:03 raidserv dovecot: Dovecot v1.0.beta3 starting up | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:04 raidserv dovecot: execv(/usr/lib/dovecot/pop3-login) failed: Permission denied | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:04 raidserv dovecot: execv(/usr/lib/dovecot/pop3-login) failed: Permission denied | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:04 raidserv dovecot: child 6294 (login) returned error 84 (exec() failed) | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:04 raidserv dovecot: child 6295 (login) returned error 84 (exec() failed) | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:05 raidserv dovecot: Login process died too early - shutting down | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:05 raidserv dovecot: execv(/usr/lib/dovecot/pop3-login) failed: Permission denied | |
| <skoenman> there you go | |
| <skoenman> thats straight out of syslog | |
| <Vhata> ls -l /usr/lib/dovecot/pop3-login | |
| <skoenman> ill just have to install again give me 2min | |
| <skoenman> it says 0 | |
| <skoenman> but its not installed yet | |
| <skoenman> what does that list command do??? | |
| <Vhata> 16:03 <skoenman> Mar 26 12:04:04 raidserv dovecot: execv(/usr/lib/dovecot/pop3-login) failed: Permission denied | |
| <Vhata> it tried to run /usr/lib/dovecot/pop3-login | |
| <Vhata> and couldn't, because "Permission denied" | |
| <skoenman> hmm yeah thats the defaults | |
| <Vhata> so I told you to give me the listing of that file, so I could see the permissions | |
| <skoenman> install that is | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <Vhata> look | |
| <Vhata> with dovecot | |
| <skoenman> i c | |
| <Vhata> what you do is | |
| <Vhata> you type: aptitude install dovecot-pop3d | |
| <Vhata> and it installs it | |
| <Vhata> (you can use apt-get instead) | |
| <Vhata> and then you start it up with /etc/init.d/dovecot start | |
| <Vhata> and it just works | |
| <Vhata> that's why dovecot is cool | |
| <Vhata> it Just Works | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <skoenman> yeah but with just dovecot-common installed it doesnt | |
| <Vhata> that's not surprising, though? | |
| <Vhata> if you want a pop3 server, you need to install dovecot-pop3d | |
| <Vhata> if you want an IMAP server, you need to install dovecot-imapd | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <skoenman> cool its running | |
| <skoenman> adding users ??? i added users and then just made them part of the dovecot group??? | |
| <Vhata> you don't need to make them part of the dovecot group | |
| <skoenman> got it | |
| <Vhata> you shouldn't, in fact | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <Vhata> I told you, it Just Works | |
| <Vhata> just add a user on the box, and they'll have mail | |
| <Vhata> that's the way with Ubuntu | |
| <Vhata> you don't need to do anything extra, mostly | |
| <Vhata> and I certainly wouldn't add any users to any groups, or anything like that, unless the documentation says you should | |
| <morgs> -common packages are typically just required libraries for other packages which provide the actual functionality. | |
| <Vhata> if you add them to the dovecot group, they'll have all sorts of extra permissions to do stuff ot mail on the box - very bad security | |
| <skoenman> k cool | |
| <skoenman> then another thing | |
| <skoenman> we have a US mail server how do i setup the server so that it downloads the mail from there??? | |
| <Vhata> either you tell your server to fetch mail from there every couple of minutes, or you tell the US mail server to automatically forward mail on every time you get it | |
| <Vhata> if you want to do the first option, install fetchmail and fetchmailconf | |
| <Vhata> run 'fetchmailconf' to set up the config file | |
| <skoenman> k im using webmin so its a little easier for me to config | |
| <Vhata> morgs: does webmin break stuff? | |
| <skoenman> lol | |
| <Vhata> I'm serious | |
| <morgs> Vhata: I don't know. I've never used webmin in anger. | |
| <Vhata> things like webmin and EasyUbuntu and Automatix are supposed to make things "easier", but they tend to do things their own way, in a non-standard way, and they often break things | |
| <Vhata> heh | |
| <skoenman> hmm yeah i did have that with one prog but i somer fixed it with ssh | |
| <morgs> webmin is a bit more mature - and is more server orientated. It's in the distro, not some third party tool, so it should be relatively safe. | |
| <skoenman> yeah well lets put it this way i have a raid server and mailserver(thanks to VHATA) on the pc with webmin | |
| <skoenman> it seems ok | |
| <skoenman> did a rebuild a few days back justto test it | |
| <morgs> AFAIK it should be relatively compliant with the "debian way" seeing as that's where Ubuntu inherits it - so you should be OK | |
| <Vhata> I seem to have an idea in my mind that webmin breaks something or other | |
| <Vhata> but it might have been a specific case, and it might not have been Ubuntu | |
| <Vhata> so, don't mind me | |
| <skoenman> lol | |
| <skoenman> well in a few days im going to write a howto for the installation of raid but the easy way | |
| <skoenman> from installation through to webmin | |
| <skoenman> hmm it says that fetchmailconf must be run under x??? | |
| <skoenman> x windows ?? | |
| <highvoltage> X Window System, not x windows | |
| <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: webmin is evil | |
| <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: lekker | |
| <Vhata> fetchmailconf is a GUI tool, yes | |
| <skoenman> hmm k | |
| <Vhata> but you can run it anywhere, and simply copy the file it creates onto the server | |
| <Vhata> it just creates a configuration file for fetchmail | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <highvoltage> a bit harsh perhaps, | |
| <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: forget webmin | |
| <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: webmin is no longer an issue | |
| <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: webmin is not supported under Ubuntu | |
| <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: daar's hy | |
| <skoenman> lol | |
| <skoenman> yeah well it works | |
| <Vhata> I think the point is that it doesn't | |
| <Vhata> webmin provides a frontend to you, and you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes - webmin could be doing anything | |
| <Vhata> the story I heard was that webmin created inconsistent configuration files | |
| <Vhata> which, yes, "worked" | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <Vhata> but as soon as you tried to upgrade the system, or install some other package, things broke | |
| <skoenman> k | |
| <Vhata> but i think the more important point is that webmin doesn't let you learn anything | |
| <skoenman> wich is also tru | |
| <Vhata> I think that it's trivially easy to configure apache or postfix or dovecot on a system | |
| <Vhata> but that's because I've been doing it for ages | |
| <Vhata> you learn by doing | |
| <highvoltage> postfix is so easy to configure on ubuntu that it actually makes me feel quilty installing it | |
| <skoenman> lets put it this way | |
| <skoenman> vmware had like 10 drives at one stage just from me triing to figure out how to configure raid | |
| <skoenman> this things still not going through | |
| <skoenman> does anybody know what this means??? | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 17:37:54 raidserv dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected: user=<koos@risksa.com>, method=PLAIN, rip=192.168.1.90, lip=192.168.1.71 | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 17:37:58 raidserv dovecot: auth(default): client in: AUTH^I1^IPLAIN^Iservice=POP3^Ilip=192.168.1.71^Irip=192.168.1.90^Iresp=AGtvb3MAd2lsbGVtMDE= | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 17:38:00 raidserv dovecot: auth(default): client out: FAIL^I1^Iuser=koos | |
| <skoenman> Mar 26 17:38:00 raidserv dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected: user=<koos>, method=PLAIN, rip=192.168.1.90, lip=192.168.1.71 | |
| <skoenman> Vhata??? |