* str0ng gud am all :)

<cj_> morning sa lhat

<rjian> Jucato

<Jucato> yo rjian

<rjian> d me maka login sa wiki nang ubuntu-ph

<Jucato> hm..

<Jucato> ok naman dito

<Jucato> check your cookies settings for that page

<zakame> good morning!

<RaymondX> yo zaks

<Jucato> moin zakame of the exotic FOSS :)

<zakame> heheh

<RaymondX> balita ako infested daw ng socialist freaks ang foss ah...totoo ba yon?

<Jucato> the FOSS world is as diverse as the real world

<zakame> its just as infested with democratic extremists too

<zakame> ESR's one example, being a strong pro-gun advocate as well

<Jucato> and noobs. let's not forget about noobs :D

<zakame> quite :D

<Jucato> hehe nagsalita na pala si Bruce Perens about the Novell-MS thing. si Linus na lang ata hindi :)

<Jucato> zakame: are you able to sudo apt-get update from ph.archive.ubuntu.com?

<RaymondX> paano naman kasi ...being open source seems an advocacy to anti-capitalism

<zakame> Jucato: it doesn't appear online, been adepting now but its stuck at security..

<Jucato> oh krap..

<Jucato> I was in the middle of installing ubuntu-desktop... :/

<zakame> Debian has warez!

<zakame> warez.debian.net :))

<Jucato> hm... teka nga.. why install ubuntu-desktop agad? gnome-desktop-environment muna ako bwahaha

<str0ng> does it mean that.. being an anti-caplitalist == communism?

<RaymondX> jucato: i wonder why your ubuntu doesnt have a desktop environment installed....was it a server-install?

* Jucato didn't know that FOSS was anti-capitalist... what does it mean to be a capitalist? what about companies like Red Hat, Novell, Mandriva, Canonical

<Jucato> RaymondX: I'm using Kubuntu, fyi

<purserj> its not anti-capitalist

<Jucato> purserj to the rescue! :)

<purserj> In fact its more fair capitalism than closed source

<zakame> there are capitalists, socialists, communists, anarchists, etc

<zakame> in the FOSS world, there's always variety :)

<purserj> yup

<purserj> Have a look at RMS and ESR

<purserj> two more different people you could not get

<Jucato> atheists, agnostics, minimalists, eye-candy-ists, noobs, gurus, men, women, (and people in between)

<Jucato> all FOSS is missing are animals :D

<RaymondX> most commercial-software companies hate linux

<Jucato> they hate what they don't understand

<RaymondX> its giving them a run for their money

<zakame> Jucato: don't forget the deus ex machina :D

<Jucato> hehe :)

<RaymondX> and it winds down to the age old debate whether profits are the one driving the progress of software development.....or mere enthusiasm

<str0ng> heheeh both..

<Jucato> <RaymondX> most commercial-software companies hate linux <--- doesn't make FOSS "anti-capitalist". It just makes commercial-software companies anti-FOSS

<gnubee> hmmm ... i really dont care if it is open or closed source ... im just a user ... as long as it works im fine

<gnubee> luckily linux works best for me

<str0ng> gnubee, tol :) howdy?

<gnubee> str0ng, yo!

<gnubee> musta

<str0ng> k lang... pula pa rin ang hasang hehe

<gnubee> ahahahahah

<gnubee> talaga ha

<str0ng> heheeh..

<str0ng> bz deploying linxu workstation here in the hospital

<gnubee> wow

<gnubee> critical yan ah

<gnubee> ano gamit ng linux nila

<gnubee> di ka ba natatakot? hehehe

<str0ng> hmmm..

<str0ng> office pa lang..

<str0ng> di ako takot hehehe..

<gnubee> ah ok

<gnubee> hehhe

<str0ng> di nga ako natakot.. pag migrate nang lahat nang mga documents nila... from MS Word to OO.org

<gnubee> kakatakot kung kunwari patient db

<zakame> yo gnubee

<gnubee> yo zakame

<Jucato> guh-newbie :)

<gnubee> ahehehe

<Jucato> the guh-newbie who's not a newbie :D

<gnubee> <----- n00b

<gnubee> sino nga ba yung nagmention sakin nung boost c++?

<Jucato> syempre sino pa?

<gnubee> nagcocompile kasi ako ngayon eh

* Jucato does evil grin

<gnubee> ahehehhee

<gnubee> required para sa democracyplayer

<zakame> stumbled upon liw's: http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/why-hack-mode-is-better-than-sex.html

<Jucato> busy sya eh. have only seen him once

<Jucato> zakame: looks like I will be looking a bit into git, too. very persuasive kasi yung kde dev friend ko :D

<zakame> Jucato: try attending jmibanez's talk then

<zakame> or you could just take a look into the git tutorial in git-doc

<Jucato> attending? as in real life talk?

<zakame> yeah

<Jucato> he gave me some links to read

<strong_> arg.. dc

<zakame> 1st PLUG techsem of the year, sometime this april

*** strong_ is now known as str0ng

<Jucato> aaah. I don't think I have the luxury of going out again

<zakame> awww

<Jucato> hm... I can only go out probably once... so I have to choose between PLUG and the Feisty gathering...

<gnubee> ano comparison ng subversion sa git?

<zakame> well, git's pretty easy to pick up anyway, even if you don't have any previous xp on SCMs in general

<zakame> just keep in mind that git *isn't* an SCM, its a *filesystem* that one can host an SCM on

<zakame> in fact, git's tagline sums up the purpose easily

<zakame> git -- stupid content tracker

<Jucato> hehe

<xoss> gud am!

<zakame> yo xoss

<rjian> yo xoss

<xoss> hey zak

<xoss> oy rjian!

<Jucato> yo yo yo :)

<rjian> hehe

<rjian> yo yo Jucato

<rjian> ayaw tlga ang wiki sa akin

<rjian> haha

<Jucato> na check mo cookies?

<xoss> guys, kubuntu can detect DVD writers na? samsung DVD writer specifically...

<rjian> yup na clear ko nga

<rjian> hehe

<Jucato> rjian: just make sure that it accepts/saves cookies from ubuntu-ph.org

<zakame> xoss: why, it didn't?

<xoss> zakame: no just asking kasi i might be buying one anytime soon..

<Jucato> zakame: I had to change to uk.archive.ubuntu.com :(

<zakame> xoss: ah... well it should just work fine... my laptop has a DVD writer and it works since Dapper

<zakame> Jucato: I'll just wait

<zakame> Jucato: tracepath on ph.archive seems to indicate that it is down

<rjian> hehe

<rjian> :D

<Jucato> archive.ubuntu.com too

<zakame> yeah, both are on blackcatnetworks

<Jucato> rjian: I was trying to install ubuntu-desktop eh lol

<Jucato> oooh how do you know that? O.o

<Jucato> hacker :P

<rjian> Jucato: 22o?

<rjian> haha

<Jucato> yeah. kaso ewan ko bakit GNOME 2.14 ang nasa Feisty...

<koppernet> sino po may hiring dyan ng technician :)

<koppernet> hehehe

<koppernet> lol

<koppernet> ask ko lang po anu po ba ang gamit ng AS/400

<jmazaredo> koppernet bukas may interview ako sabay ka kung gusto mo :P

<koppernet> hehehe

<jmazaredo> uu nga

<koppernet> san po work po ba

<jmazaredo> sa paranaque

<jmazaredo> linux

<jmazaredo> hehehe

<koppernet> anu pongrequirments

<jmazaredo> wait

* str0ng sana makapag work din ako kahit sys ad man lang :)

* str0ng dyan sa manila

<koppernet> ok lang po ba kahit hindi GURU

<str0ng> may hiring ba?

<jmazaredo> basic lang computer technician

<koppernet> wow pwede ako dyan jmazaredo

<str0ng> hmmm..

<koppernet> anu po bang company jmazaredo

<zakame> Jucato: blackcatnetworks? dig told me once last blue moon

<jmazaredo> united microsystems

<Jucato> zakame: aaah kala ko you had some tool to do it :)

<koppernet> san mo po nakita jmazaredo

<jmazaredo> jobsdb

<koppernet> ahhhhhhh

<koppernet> kaya lang wala ako appointments sa kanila pwede ba yun

<zakame> Jucato: dig ph.archive.ubuntu.com.

<str0ng> walk in applicant ka

<Jucato> zakame: ah command ba yun? lol

<Jucato> sorry

<zakame> Jucato: dig ph.archive.ubuntu.com ns

<koppernet> ahh

<jmazaredo> d tinawagan ako

<jmazaredo> eto ung site nila http://umi.net.ph/

<Jucato> zakame: looks like ph.archive.ubuntu.com is back up :)

<koppernet> ahhhh oki check ko jmazaredo

<jmazaredo> kya lang february 7 pa ako nag apply dyan ngayon lang tumawag

<jmazaredo> hehehe

<jmazaredo> anung petsa na

<koppernet> hehhe

<koppernet> jmazaredo san po nakalagay yun hiring nila

<jmazaredo> sa jobsdb.com

<koppernet> i mean yun mga vacant positions po

<koppernet> :)

<jmazaredo> kuha mo pm ko?

<koppernet> oki

<rjian> str0ng:

<str0ng> rjian, :)

<rjian> str0ng: ala ka naman sa lumot hehehe

<str0ng> heheeh sorry.. sometimes.. nakakalimutan ko :(

<Jucato> hahaha

<Jucato> auto-join mo na kasi :P

<str0ng> hjeheehe

<jmazaredo> future boss ko -> koppernet

<jmazaredo> ^^

<koppernet> oist

<koppernet> pasaway

<koppernet> ako nid JOB eh ^__^

<zakame> brb lunch

<zakame> sus upgrade ko lang pala 3M

<jmazaredo> apply na ako k boss koppernet

<koppernet> oi

<koppernet> pasaway

<zakame> don't look for a job, let the job look for you :P

<koppernet> wow nice words zak

<zakame> that's how a lot of FOSS hackers get away with a job

<aeon17x> wow, lupit na pala ng beryl ngayon

<aeon17x> wala lang... >_>

<zakame> work with a project, contribute, and one way or another recruiters will notice ;P

<koppernet> i see zak

<jmazaredo> i seek kop

<jmazaredo> :P

<zakame> aeon17x: how does it go? I'm currently using compiz

<aeon17x> Ok naman, may 3d acceleration na rin dito sa akin, whee

<aeon17x> Nakakapaglaro ako ng chromium

<xoss> aeon17x: anu yung chromium? anong genre nya sa games?

<jmazaredo> shooting game

<koppernet> guys anu po ba ang puspose ng AS/400

<aeon17x> arcade iyun, may plane ka

<jmazaredo> ang alam ko as/400 para sa database ata

<xoss> ahh..

<jmazaredo> lagayan nang files

<koppernet> ah oki

<jmazaredo> pero malaki capacity

<jmazaredo> dun mo ata papatakbuhin ung sql server

<RaymondX> may sql interoperability ba yan?

<jmazaredo> dun ka kokonect sa as/400 accessing database

<xoss> daming alam ni jmazaredo ah! :D

<koppernet> wow uu nga eh

<jmazaredo> nge

<xoss> hehe..

<jmazaredo> naga basa lang ako

<xoss> napa nge tuloy..

<jmazaredo> d pa ako nakakahipo nun

* jmazaredo pahipo nga

<koppernet> hehhehe]

<jmazaredo> nakakasawa ung beryl pang pabagal lang >)<

<jmazaredo> mga 3 days ko lang sinubukan fanget fala

<koppernet> anu ba ang mas ok i master redhat or ubuntu <===== noob question, and nonsense pero kung may mag sudgest ok lang hehehehhe

<jmazaredo> panu ba link para pag kinilik sa website papasok sa irc server at channel

<jmazaredo> redhat ata d na free

<zakame> depends on yor protocol handler

<jmazaredo> zakame free pa ba redhat

<koppernet> depends on your protocol handler === ?

<jmazaredo> zakame is in the other side

<jmazaredo> malalim

<zakame> koppernet: whether `irc://' is a valid protocol that your browser can handle

<str0ng> jmazaredo, fedora

<jmazaredo> pero ung redhat enterprise hindi, fedora uu

<zakame> jmazaredo: aren't the RH sources free? IIRC only the branding stuff isn't, in their binary distros

<str0ng> jmazaredo, centos

<zakame> then again, I've never used RH or any other RH-derivs :P

<str0ng> gusto mo RH enterprise.. use CentOS

<jmazaredo> so san kukuha nang update ung centos? sa redhat servers dinj?

<koppernet> bakit naman zakame

<str0ng> jmazaredo, sa CentOS repos din

<str0ng> centOS != RH

<koppernet> you donlike rH derivs

<zakame> koppernet: some browsers recognize irc://, others don't

<zakame> oh, about RH derivs... no, its just that I've not much of a reason to try them out yet :P

<koppernet> ahh oki

<jmazaredo> ubuntu nalang kc marami magaling na pinoy specially zak

<jmazaredo> nandyan lang lagi sa tabi mo guardin angel zakame

<koppernet> ang nag pakilala sa akin ng debian ay c TypeRite

<koppernet> lol

<xoss> zakame: like sa konvi un sana pwede iclik ung link then automatically mag load sa firefox browser ung page..

<koppernet> i thinks evrybody knows TypeRite

<xoss> ?

<jmazaredo> d ko pa nakikita un d2

<koppernet> c TypeRite== JIJO

<koppernet> w8 search ko yun site nya

<xoss> sa ofis dito marami pa nun hehehe.. typewriter...

<jmazaredo> panu ilalagay link sa web papunta irc.freenode.net ubuntu-ph

<koppernet> http://jijo.free.net.ph/

<koppernet> yan po c Typerite

* zakame goes eat lunch, l8rz :D

<xoss> ay! yes lunch pala i totally gorgot about it.. haha.. gotta go muna..

<koppernet> http://www.fs3.ph/

<koppernet> hehehe

<koppernet> lunch na pala

<koppernet> hehehe

<aeon17x> @_@ nakakalula special effects ng beryl kapag max lahat

<aeon17x> shucks

<xoss> dami yatang G sa last message ko hehehe

<aeon17x> may nasusunog

<xoss> what?

<jmazaredo> kakainstall mo lang aeon?

<aeon17x> yeah

<aeon17x> ulit

<aeon17x> napagtripan ko lang

<aeon17x> @_@

<xoss> lunch time!

<jmazaredo> mas maganda lang sa beryl marami options

<aeon17x> For me gumagana 3d acceleration ko kapag beryl

<aeon17x> Kapag compiz hindi

<jmazaredo> 0.0

<aeon17x> ^_^

<jmazaredo> kung gumagana sa beryl gagana rin sa compiz

<jmazaredo> ung desk3d maganda rin

<jmazaredo> try mo

<jmazaredo> apt-get install desk3d

<jmazaredo> ^^

<jmazaredo> mas nagagandahan pa ako dun

<aeon17x> Naka-opensuse ako ngayon lolz

<jmazaredo> nge

<aeon17x> Hintay ko pa feisty bago balik ubuntu

<jmazaredo> try mo ung desk3d

<jmazaredo> alam ko meron sa suse nun

<aeon17x> Walang desk3d sa suse

* aeon17x hugs beryl

<RaymondX> aha....someone's hacking my pc

<koppernet> http://www.advogato.org/person/pusakat/

<dartmolx> oya, everyone! ;)

<jmazaredo> (p)

<jmazaredo>

<zakame> yo dartmolx

<zakame> beryl doesn't have packages in the official feisty repos right?

<jmazaredo> dunno havent used feist

<jmazaredo> ^_^

<jmazaredo> where is the ubuntu.ph repositories located? here in the philippines?

<jmazaredo> or abroad

<Knightlust> ph.archive.ubuntu.com

<jmazaredo> ya where is that

<jmazaredo> in philippines?

<jmazaredo> hardware location

<zakame> uk

<Knightlust> ahhh, hardware

<zakame> ukay-ukay

<Knightlust> hehe

<jmazaredo> kala ko d2

<jmazaredo> sa pinas

<jmazaredo> uk uk pla

<zakame> dig ph.archive.ubuntu.com , look at the A record

<zakame> there are actually two servers, or a server with two IPs

<jmazaredo> kala ko hosted sa isa ng school or org d2 sapinas

<zakame> no one has asked for a local mirror yet :(

<jmazaredo> zakame sana mag pa seminar ka naman :P

<koppernet> i wanna be

<jmazaredo> kopper u wanna host?

<jmazaredo> mirror?

<koppernet> how much bandwidth do we need

<jmazaredo> T1 :P

<koppernet> 1MB :P

<jmazaredo> pag nag down ubuntu.ph susugudin si kopper

<koppernet> hehehehhe

<jmazaredo> nyahahahaha

<koppernet> wakokoko

<koppernet> hirap pala :P

<koppernet> may mga donation din ba sa ganyan

<jmazaredo> wala

<jmazaredo> hehe

<koppernet> hehehe

<jmazaredo> kawang gawa lang

<koppernet> kala ko

<koppernet> kawawang gawa

<jmazaredo> pero may insentive

<koppernet> hehehe

<jmazaredo> kikilalanin ka na mirror hehehe

<jmazaredo> un lang

<koppernet> eh ang 512k pwede ba

<zakame> jmazaredo: I plan to have something like that later in the year

<jmazaredo> libre pero kailangan bumili nang T-SHIRT nang ubuntu!

<jmazaredo> gusto ko ung black ^^

<Knightlust> pagawa na lang ako ng shirt ng ubuntu. mas mura pa

<jmazaredo> white lang kc nabili ko kay ulinskie

<jmazaredo> maliit lang ung logo

<jmazaredo> T_T

<Knightlust> tagal namang ma-release ng bayanihan 4... at least nasa beta 2 na sya

<rjian> may libre shirt ba kau? ahihihi

<Knightlust> pagawa tayo. plano ko pa-print sa local printing press dito e. ung official na ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, tsaka ung ginawa ni Jucato na ubuntu-ph na logo

<Knightlust> hehehe, tapos kung maraming humingi, gagawin kong sideline

<Knightlust> hahaha

<str0ng> Knightlust, magkano? hehehe

<jmazaredo> pwede na siguro ung print sa inkjet ung pinaplantsa

<str0ng> gusto ko bumili..

<jmazaredo> nasubukan ko na un dati

<Knightlust> ayun, ok rin un

<jmazaredo> sa isang papel mga 4 - 6 na logo na un

<jmazaredo> ^^

<jmazaredo> tara na benta tayo!

<jmazaredo> bwahahaha

<Knightlust> kaso wala akong makita dito sa baguio na ganung paper e

<Knightlust> hehehe

<jmazaredo> sa national bookstore

<Knightlust> anong tawag sa ganung paper?

<jmazaredo> d ko alam eh binasa ko lang sa bi ko ung pinaplantsa

<jmazaredo> sa sdamet

<Knightlust> hmmmm, teka, punta akong NB mamayang konti

<Knightlust> hehehe

<jmazaredo> pag nag pa seminar si zakame

<jmazaredo> ventah tayo

<jmazaredo> hehehe

<rjian> haha

<Knightlust> hehehe, tapos balak ko ung mini-stickers na pwedeng ipatong sa Win-Key ng keyboard

<rjian> kailan ba seminar ni zakame?

<Knightlust> me nakaisip nun e.... kalimutan ko kung sino

<jmazaredo> d pa sure balak palang

<rjian> hehe

<rjian> ganon

<rjian> bigyan nyo ako nang free shirt ha

<rjian> hehe

<jmazaredo> dapat muna marami sumali d2 sa channel para marami aaten

<jmazaredo> hehehe

<rjian> hehehe

<rjian> kahit bot pasalihin nyo

<rjian> hehe

<jmazaredo> mag bubukas na nga ako shop ko

<jmazaredo> tangahali na bwahahaha

<rjian> jmazaredo: taga saan ba u ulit?

<jmazaredo> nasa antipolo ako ngayon

<str0ng> walang hiring dito? heheehehehe

<rjian> haha

<rjian> str0ng: tanong mo si Knightlust sa hiring hehe

<str0ng> heeheh..

<rjian> always yan meron

<rjian> hehe

<jmazaredo> si koppernet antabayanan nyo

<jmazaredo> hehehe

<koppernet> oi

<Knightlust> hiring ng?

<jmazaredo> akin yan!

<koppernet> pasaway lang yan c jmazaredo

<jmazaredo> hehehehe

<Knightlust> hehe

<rjian> Knightlust: apply work

<koppernet> heheh

<rjian> hehe

<jmazaredo> nauna na ako kay boss kopper

<Knightlust> a meron

<str0ng> Knightlust, kahit ano.. basta.. makapag chat pa rin ako

<koppernet> ako aaply sa computer shop ni jmazaredo

<Knightlust> dito o http://www.getafreelancer.com/

<Knightlust> sarili mo oras mo

<Knightlust> dyan din ako nagwo-work

<rjian> haha

<rjian> str0ng: calling center pa2long ka kay Knightlust

<rjian> hehe

<rjian> magaling yan dyan

<Knightlust> tapos ito kalalabas lang sa PLUG: http://pajamanation.Ph

<Knightlust> ahhh, call center?

<Knightlust> baguio men... walang competition, mas maganda sa manila, kasi aalagaan ka talaga ng mga call center doon wag ka lang umalis

<RaymondX> 3 years na ako sa call center....ayoko na ....any work you can suggest for me?

<Knightlust> hehehe, tech support

<jmazaredo> wag kaka umalis sa call center

<Knightlust> kasi ako nag-fre-freelance na rin e

<jmazaredo> buti ka panga may work T_T

<jmazaredo> ako kahit call center ayaw tangapin

<Knightlust> anytime soon mag-re-resign na rin ako e

<jmazaredo> mahina kc ako ispokening dollars

<koppernet> ayaw ko callcenter :P

<koppernet> kakainis mga phone calls +)

<str0ng> call center?

<str0ng> hmmmm..

<str0ng> di ako masyado marunong mag english :(

<rjian> haha

* zakame doesn't believe in getting into work immediately, unless cache-strapped :P

<Knightlust> tyaga lang, lalo't kelangan ng pera

<zakame> lol, s/cache/cash/

<koppernet> lol

<str0ng> hehehe..

<allanix> yo all

<koppernet> lol /get/sbin/cash

<zakame> yo allanix

<jmazaredo> zakame smart bro ka dba

<zakame> yeah

<Knightlust> pati ako, smartbro

<jmazaredo> max bandwith mo 50KB +

<jmazaredo> pero pag tinesting sa speed test 300+

<rjian> andyan na si zak

<koppernet> ako max bandwidth ko DS3 lol ^_______^

<Knightlust> burst sa akin, depende rin. nag ma-max rin ako ng 800+ sa madaling araw

<RaymondX> zaks could still be a PAL...that's why he's not working yet ....hahaha

<jmazaredo> in normal downloading nakukuha ko lang is 50-60k in pero sa speed test 300KB +

<jmazaredo> abnormal na smartbro

<Knightlust> threads men

<Knightlust> pag-isang thread lang per download, talagang 50-60 lang makukuha mo

<jmazaredo> threads?

<jmazaredo> marami ako thread

<Knightlust> kaya kelangan at least 2

<zakame> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1662499552569368847

<jmazaredo> like im downloading 10 pcs 300+mb files

<jmazaredo> still max in download manager show only 50-60K

<Knightlust> hmmm, then bakit ganun kabagal sa yo?

<jmazaredo> nahahati ung speed sa thread

<Knightlust> weird ha

<jmazaredo> parang na ka cap

<jmazaredo> pero pag speed test 300+

<zakame> measuring via iptraf, my bandwidth's ~700Kbps, with ktorrent running

<jmazaredo> kbps not KB

<zakame> yeah

<Knightlust> brb

<zakame> I get 50-70KB

<jmazaredo> i got 409+ knps in KB 800+

<jmazaredo> oops wrong

<jmazaredo> KB 50+ Kbps 400+

<zakame> a rule of thumb is that for every 10 Kbps you get a kilobyte, so for smartbro offering 384, its not bad actually getting 50 KB

<jmazaredo> but in dsl providers their measurement is in KB like bayantel and pldt

<zakame> I don't trust their measurements actually :D

<zakame> use both iptraf and iftop to get a good idea how my bandwidth gets used

<jmazaredo> u mean 10kbps = 1 KB right?

<zakame> not always, but its a good reference point

<zakame> thats what I observed when I was in dialup, where 56Kbps would go to somewhere of 5Kb/s

<zakame> though in my case, its usually 4.5Kb/s

<RaymondX> is this accurate? >>> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest

<zakame> it should

<zakame> although I wouldn't say it as accurate in itself

<jmazaredo> zakame panu kung 384KB ilan sa kbps un

<jmazaredo> 3,840 kbps?

<RaymondX> im getting 194 / 238 (Kbps) that's up/down

<zakame> ooh async

<zakame> jmazaredo: that would probably indicate a 3 Mbps line

<jmazaredo> before i used a bayantel line i get 800+ KB

<zakame> you mean 800Kb/s

<zakame> ?

<zakame> or 80Kb/s?

<str0ng> kilobit or kilobyte?

<jmazaredo> 800KB

<str0ng> KB is KiloByte right?

<jmazaredo> KB is used in DAP

<str0ng> kb is kilobit?

<jmazaredo> kilo byte

<str0ng> nalilito ako..

<zakame> lol

<jmazaredo> im using adownload manager DAP it measures KB

<zakame> Kbps is different from Kb/s

<str0ng> 1 byte is 8 bits

<str0ng> ahhh..

<jmazaredo> so i get 800 KB in bayantel before

<zakame> when I say Kb/s its kilobyte/second, while kbps is kilobits/second

<jmazaredo> i used smart used DAP i get 50KB

<str0ng> when i use torrent.. i suck up all my bandwitdh heheeh

<jmazaredo> really fishy isp providers

<str0ng> it*

<jmazaredo> u really dont know if they are offering KB or kb

<str0ng> i got 1Mbps speed, and a download speed of 200Kbps

<jmazaredo> try using DAP

<Jucato> ano topic? :D

<jmazaredo> u get to measure KB

<str0ng> yeah. using DAP i get 200Kbps

<jmazaredo> its KB

<Jucato> DAP = Download Accelerator Plus?

<str0ng> but.. if torrent.. nakow.. di na ako makapag chat

<jmazaredo> dap = KB

<str0ng> uubusing nang torrent yung badwidth ko

<jmazaredo> i get 33KB now in dap

<jmazaredo> in bayantel when u signup a 384 u get a 384 KB

<jmazaredo> in smart 384 u get 384 kbps T_T

<jmazaredo> beware!

<jmazaredo> bwahahahaha

<jmazaredo> or im also thinking they are shaping traffic really bad

<zakame> heh I don't really know

<zakame> fwiw both providers offer 384 Kbps services

<zakame> I've never measured bayantel's service, although I've used that one too (when I used to carry my desktop's CPU to the local cafe for dist-upgrades)

<xoss> mine's smart too.

<xoss> i can download files mga 650+MB overnight lang

<jmazaredo> in b ayantel u can dl 650 i n 1-2 hrs

<jmazaredo> or in pldt i think

<jmazaredo> the bad thing is there is no bayantel here

<zakame> that depends on which mirror you're downloading

<zakame> not always do the closest mirrors give the fastest links

<xoss> no bayantel here either kaya we make do with smart wifi

<jmazaredo> ya also here smart only no other provider

<zakame> fwiw I still find tokyo or korean mirrors slow, while us servers are fast

<jmazaredo> ya

<jmazaredo> asian mirror slower

<jmazaredo> i always dl games

<jmazaredo> i find that too

<xoss> i prefer ftp or http dl's rather than torrent.. kaso sometimes you cant pause then resume downloading...

<jmazaredo> downloading games 200mb to 2gig games

<jmazaredo> don't u hate it when company calls for the job u applied and saying you are not qualified because u r not a degree holder?

<str0ng> jmazaredo, thats Philippines :)

<str0ng> but i think.. even abroad

<jmazaredo> they should not have called in the first place its in the resume

<RaymondX> im wasting precious bandwidth here....know of any cool dvd's to download?

<xoss> RaymondX: movies..

<RaymondX> where?

<jmazaredo> pbay?

<jmazaredo> ^_^

<xoss> isohunt.com

<xoss> torrent

<Jucato> mininova.org

<jmazaredo> piratebay

<Jucato> (halatang alam mga torrentz sites)

<jmazaredo> dcc Jucato

<xoss> bridge of terabithia.. if i spelled it correctly..

<jmazaredo> marami yan si Jucato movies

<RaymondX> hahaha.....my kind of site

<xoss> download ni RaymondX tapos share sa 'tin hehehe

<Jucato> asaness :)

<zakame> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1662499552569368847

<zakame> awesome

<Jucato> plan B?! :O

<Jucato> uy google video, download ko na lang directly :D

<zakame> http://lsub.org/ls/demos.html

<zakame> jul 04 system demo

<xoss> i use unplug ung extension ng FF to download flash videos.. then i play using vlc

<RaymondX> hehehe...im downloading premonition

<RaymondX> bwahahahaha

* Jucato researches on the term "namespace"...

<xoss> how i wish i had DSL... download heaven siguro hahaha

<RaymondX> ngek...camvid lang

<RaymondX> :(

<zakame> namespace(4)

<xoss> ?

<Jucato> man page ata yan

<zakame> yeah, in plan9

<zakame> get the qemu image :)

<Jucato> ha what a coincidence... tumawag PLDT DSL advisory lol

<xoss> papasara na daw ung connection mo! hehe

<Jucato> :)

<Jucato> something about wifi... wasn't listening :(

<Jucato> mommy ulinskie!!!

<str0ng> ulinskie, howdy?

<zakame> salut ulinskie

<xoss> dami mga fans ni ulinskie dito..

<xoss> me fans club na yata sya.. hehehe

<zakame> ulinskie: hot mama of ubuntu-ph :D

<ulinskie> heyo

<ulinskie> mga chuva boys ko yan

<xoss> hehe :)

<ulinskie> anong bago?

<RaymondX> blessed are the meek

<zakame> amen

<xoss> hallelujiah!

<janm> hello

<xoss> yo janm

<zakame> hi janm

*** rjian_____ is now known as rjian

<janm> my router's acting up. everytime I try to visit a site, it goes back to the router's login screen. it also checks for relative URL's if it is in the router which will not work. any ideas?

<zakame> signs of dying?

<janm> although I can IRC, SMTP, etc.. but not HTTP

<janm> zakame, I hope not :)

* Jucato sighs... routeres...

<Jucato> bah can't even spell right!

<zakame> could it accidentally block HTTP?

<janm> zakame, I've been checking my settings if I accidentally blocked HTTP but there's nothing there

<janm> I'm using opendns and everytime I visit google for example, firefox hangs on "Waiting ...."

<janm> should I call my ISP?

<zakame> can you do a tracepath?

<Knightlust> sorry po sa email, kung hindi pa nagreply si ulinskie hindi ko malalaman na na-send ko sa ML. this is embarassing... sorry po again.

<Jucato> :P

* rjian im on router hehe

<Jucato> kala ko pa nman sadya yun :)

<ulinskie> Knightlust: oks lang.. na curious tuloy kami sa personality mo.. diba tiga baguio ka.. ? and that ur married?

<Knightlust> my wife left me

<ulinskie> Knightlust: not that me paki ako..

<Knightlust> hehehe

<ulinskie> Knightlust: ohhh.. chikka yan

<ulinskie> na curious tuloy sayo si diane

<Knightlust> her last statemet is "e di dyan ka sa kubuntu mo!"

<Jucato> haha nasan si godiane?

<Jucato> hindi nga?! :O

<Knightlust> hahaha

<Jucato> grabe naman sya... :(

* Jucato pasalamat walang nakakabit...

<Knightlust> ok lang, at least kubuntu ko hindi bitchy

<Jucato> unless you install bitchx? :D

<xoss> wawa nman... pinapili ba sa inanimate object tsaka sya :D

<Jucato> syempre panalo na kubuntu! bwahaha

<Jucato> Knightlust: btw. just finished installing gnome-desktop-environment :D

<Knightlust> aha, another opportunity for you to learn a new environment

<Jucato> not really... makikitsismis lang ako sa other side

<Jucato> you know, spying on the enemy :P

<Knightlust> hehehe

<zakame> heh, what just happend

<zakame> ?

<Jucato> teka gawa lang ako new user for trying other DE/WM's

<Knightlust> ako naman busy(ng)-busy pa rin sa presentations

* zakame hasn't synced mail

<Knightlust> hahaha, zakame, matatawa ka!

<Jucato> hehe si zakame tuloy nahuli sa usapan :)

<Jucato> Knightlust: good luck pala dyan :)

<zakame> Jucato: don't mind me, I'm doing someone a favor

<Jucato> zakame: wow! bait naman :)

<Jucato> kaya nga idol talaga kita eh!

<zakame> I have to make a scoreboard for the easter angel canvassing, in perl-tk

<zakame> lol

<Jucato> uy improved na ang userconfig.py ng kde-guidance (Kubuntu)

<zakame> how improved?

<ulinskie> hahah

<xoss> gotta go.. guys tomorrow favor me help from you setup ssh on this box... thanks and bye all!

<Jucato> if you create a new user, you already have some default groups for the new user

<Jucato> dati kasi, totally blank ang groups for the new user

<zakame> ah

<Jucato> aaah welcome to GNOME :D

<janm> uhmm.. can the wrt54g serve as a broadband router/modem?

<Knightlust> janm: just as a router, you need to have another modem

<janm> Knightlust, thanks. im just desperate right now. this netcomm router here is messing up my net

<Knightlust> goodluck!

<janm> I can browse the web using IP addresses, but when I use host names, it loops back to the router's login screen.. what a brick

<Knightlust> janm, you may need to try hard-coding a DNS server

<Knightlust> might be the one causing you those problems

<janm> I already did a lot of times, different DNS servers still no go

<Knightlust> hard-code on both your PC and router?

<janm> router and PC

<Knightlust> if hardcoding on PC doesn't work, then you have to hardcode on the router

<Knightlust> routers has a habit of forwarding all requests to it's GUI, linksys had that too before, but has been fixed by a new firmware

<Knightlust> brb, need to take a bath.. janm: if hardcoding doesn't work, then i guess it really is a netcomm issue. goodluck!

<janm> Knightlust, thanks!

<zakame> Knightlust: w00t

<zakame> worst that can be done is when someone blogs to planet :P

<janm> Knightlust, it's a netcomm router. Had to reset the thing to get it to work.

*** Igorot is now known as Knightlust

<str0ng> sino gumagamit nang gnucash dito?

<ynca> elow everybodyyyyyyyyyy

<zakame> yo ynca

<ynca> musta n poh mga poeple

<Jucato> yo

<irvin> brb

<glenda> hi all

<glenda> /nick zachy

*** glenda is now known as zachy

<Ibalon> hi all, trying out another ircrc here :D

<irvin> Knightlust, tuloy ka sa bicol?

<janm> zakame, ircrc is nice.

<Knightlust> irvin, yeah

<Knightlust> been keeping myself busy with the materials im gonna use

<zakame> yup, it is ;)

<zakame> janm: yup, it is, especially in plan9

<Knightlust> zakame, question po

<Knightlust> how many hours from cubao to camarines norte?

<Knightlust> and you told us before that the fare is around P500 right?

<Knightlust> and the cubao terminal has hourly (or 2) schedules to camarines?

<Knightlust> and how about the victory terminal in camarines? do they have hourly trips to manila too?

<Knightlust> hehehe, dami kong tanong

<zakame> Knightlust: I only ride via philtranco, its PhP500 fare on regular aircon. trips at 8:30 am/pm from pasay terminal only

<Jucato> regular aircon? parang oxymoron yun ah :P

<zakame> well there's regular regular, no aircon

<Jucato> lol :)

<Jucato> may special regular at special aircon ba?

<Jucato> kasi lumaki ako na "regular" = no aircon. so pag "regular aircon" dating sakin "no aircon aircon" :D

<zakame> there's a `gold service' actually, with more space and colder aircon

<Jucato> aaah

<zakame> it only heads out on sundays though

<Knightlust> i see

<Knightlust> hmmm, better check with victory

<zakame> back

<Jucato> webaks zakame idol

<Jucato> :D

<Knightlust> hmmm, teka, baka ma-stuck kasi ako sa camarines e, kaya ngayon pa lang pina-plot ko na trip ko.

* Knightlust checking on victory's website

<zakame> lol

<Knightlust> waaaa, walang papuntang camarines ang victory

* Knightlust checking on philtranco's site

<Knightlust> zakame, ilang oras ba ung trip from pasay?

<zakame> 9 hours

<Knightlust> haha! ok yan ah. so P500 ang fare and 8:30am & pm lang meron?

<zakame> yep, that's pretty much the deal, and its pasay only

<zakame> it doesn't stop over on cubao

<Knightlust> sorry for asking too many questions, but i still have one more question to ask

<Jucato> zakame, Knightlust. new news on the Dot... :)

<Knightlust> malapit lang ba philtranco terminal sa victory terminal sa pasay?

<zakame> hmm, probably... I remember there's a lot of other terminals around that area, its pasay rotonda

<Knightlust> ayt, will check on wikimapia

<zakame> salut Terminus-

<Jucato> saludo Terminus-

<Jucato> heheh

<zakame> what would you say if, for example, you can visualize an IRC session as a running filesystem?

<Jucato> hm??

<zakame> say, you connect to freenode... it gets represented in the filesystem as /n/irc/freenode

<Jucato> oooh

<zakame> channels that you join become directories under that, with accompanying files for topic, names, chanmode, etc

<zakame> and the running log too

<Jucato> let me guess, plan 9?

<Jucato> :D

<zakame> so, when you want to chat to the ubuntu-ph channel, just append something to /n/irc/freenode/ubuntu-ph/log

<zakame> yup, it is plan 9, but it could be applied to Linux just as well (with plan9port probably)

<Knightlust> isn't that a wee bit crazy?

<Knightlust> you know, complicates things

<zakame> maybe, in Linux

<zakame> anyhow there's already dozens of IRC apis in the system already

<Knightlust> hmmm, gotta try that out soon

<zakame> but that's exactly the prob: so many interfaces, so little time

<Knightlust> hehehe

<Knightlust> yeah

<zakame> Perl na lang has Net::IRC, Python has one as well, so does Ruby

<zakame> C and C++ have dozens of reimplementations in different paradigms

<zakame> those are pretty good if you're writing a program that does IRC, using your preferred language

<zakame> but with a file approach, its all fair game

<Terminus-> cheers zakame and Jucato =)

<zakame> yo Terminus-

<zakame> all this time I've been switching between Konversation and irc7

<godiane> hi

<Knightlust> kakaantok

<ser1al> how do i compile and make something

<ser1al> root@ser1al-dp:/home/ser1al/Desktop/xchat-2.8.0# make install

<ser1al> make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.

<Knightlust> nanggulo

<Knightlust> ayt, going to bed

<Knightlust> g'night y'all!

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