<phelyx> thank god for dummy upgrade packages
<phelyx> makes me feel less noob
<technoid_> evening pawsitive, hows the pup?
<technoid_> she left...never mind
<phelyx> ug i just frustrated myself
<po0f> Is everyone excited about the meeting? :)
<schultmc_> woo!
<schultmc_> it's a little late for me but I'll deal with it :)
<po0f> schultmc_: Long day?
<schultmc_> po0f: yep
<po0f> schultmc_: I think you or SimonAnibal should be in charge during the meeting, I think most people are more familiar with you guys.
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<SimonAnibal> technoid_: I don't know yet, I'll be getting a vehicle soon-like--Fort Wayne is definitely NOT a walking city--and Sarah's pushing me towards getting a van
<phelyx> hi I'm new :0
<schultmc_> hy phelyx
<schultmc_> er hi
<technoid_> simon: okay, np...just let me know
<phelyx> found you guys today
<ChrisWalker> Hello, Pheylx
<SimonAnibal> po0f, schultmc_: erm, was someone supposed to come up with some sort of sgenda for tonight?
<SimonAnibal> s/sgenda/agenda/
<schultmc_> don't look at me :)
<po0f> SimonAnibal: Setting a regular meeting time was the only thing that I thought of.
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: you founded the loco group, po0f called the meeting
<schultmc_> yeah, it would be good to set a regular meeting time
<schultmc_> general discussions about what we want to do (becoming official is one of my goals)
<SimonAnibal> heheh, I guess we'll manage with that as a starting point
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ mine as well
<SimonAnibal> Wow, I haven't seen that list grow this long since the inception of the channel (granted, that hasn't been very long, I just wanted to say that)
<SimonAnibal> a little less than a minute on my clock, should we start punctually?
<phelyx> the meeting is an hour off from where I'm at.
<po0f> I don't mind. Actually, let me grab a drink first. brb
* schultmc_ waves to the Central time zone :)
<SimonAnibal> Well, it's 8:00 now, so let's begin
<SimonAnibal> phelyx: Alright, so we should start making sure we specify the time zone we're using for meeting times
<phelyx> <--- one of 3 indiana counties that is CST
<schultmc_> CDT now :)
<SimonAnibal> Good thing to learn, I was unaware that our state was divided thusly
<schultmc_> i thought there were more than 3
<schultmc_> up around chicago and down by evansville iirc
<phelyx> eh, who cares
<phelyx> ah, don't know about the evansville ones
<jeremyrnelson> Those counties changed times, but were still in Eastern. Now we all switch times.
<SimonAnibal> So, good thing to know, we'll start specificying EST for scheduled events (just going with the majority time zone, here)
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: not EST :)
<schultmc_> EST = CDT
<schultmc_> say Eastern
<SimonAnibal> Eastern
<phelyx> no prob, i read that there was some counties in Indiana that changed 2 hours
<po0f> We could just use Unix time.
<SimonAnibal> We'll start specifying Eastern times
<schultmc_> heh
<technoid_> i was thinking we could use Swatch's internet .beat
<SimonAnibal> UTC would be a little cryptic for most people
<SimonAnibal> technoid_: huh?
<schultmc_> UTC -4 and UTC -5 isn't too hard to determine
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: it's something the swatch watch company came up with
<jeremyrnelson> Uh, are we here to talk about time zones or Ubunutu? :)
<schultmc_> everyone would be on the same time
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ it's just an automatic conversion for most
<po0f> OK, everything in Eastern time zone, and specify it.
<schultmc_> jeremyrnelson: this is #indiana-timezones ;)
<SimonAnibal> heheh
<SimonAnibal> So, welcome to the Zeroeth meeting for the Ubuntu Indiana Local Community Team
<schultmc_> so on the topic of meeting times, how often do we want to meet and when?
<SimonAnibal> The main item on our agenda is setting a regular meeting time for future meetings
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ I couldn't have put it better myself
<IndyTim> some thoughts oin short term goals might drive the frequency of meetings
<SimonAnibal> Do we want to meet more often than monthly?
<schultmc_> i think monthly is fine if we keep in contact via the list and forums in the meantime
<po0f> I was thinking every other week.
<indylarry> I think that is a good idea in the beginning
<schultmc_> i'm fine w/ more frequent meetings to start off
<jeremyrnelson> I move to meet monthly on the second Weds of each month at 8:00 Eastern. There's always the mailing list if we need to meet urgently (for what, though, I can't imagine :)
<schultmc_> i often have conflicts on wednesday evenings though
<schultmc_> 2nd and 3rd wed are ok for me now tho
<pawsitive> Under normal circumstances, I'd be in class right now.
<ChrisWalker> Just about anytime works for me.
<jeremyrnelson> Actually, that's true. I have class on Mondays, but who knows about next semester. What about 9 PM instead? I'm out by then. Any of you early to bed?
<po0f> Yeah right.
<SimonAnibal> Hmmm, so I guess a good question might be when is BAD for people? I'm with ChrisWalker in being ok with most times
<IndyTim> My day usually starts at 04:00 if that's early
<schultmc_> i'm not early to bed, but i'm often busy in the later evening
<jeremyrnelson> This being a Linux group, maybe Saturday night would be the best! :) jk
<schultmc_> hah
<indylarry> This is prime computer time for me. After 8PM
<pawsitive> Sad but true; that would be better than most weeknights for me.
<dtbell99> I agree with after 8:00 during the weekdays
<jeremyrnelson> So the motion on the table is 8 PM on 2nd Weds. If no other day is that much better, let's take a vote. All in favor, aye. All opposed, nay.
<IndyTim> aye
<schultmc_> aye
<indylarry> aye
<dtbell99> Aye
<technoid_> aye
<po0f> aye
<phelyx> aye
<SimonAnibal> I wouldn't want 9 unless there wasn't a suitable day at 8. I like to be IN BED at 10 as it takes me a long time to fall asleep, and I have to wake up to be at the school by 7:30 am
<ChrisWalker> aye
<SimonAnibal> wow
<SimonAnibal> aye
<jeremyrnelson> I think the ayes have it.
<pawsitive> nay, but that'll change at the end of the semester for me...I think.
<phelyx> i'm sure times can change with the seasons, summer and fall as well
<jeremyrnelson> paws, is 9 better?
<jeremyrnelson> Or 8:30?
<SimonAnibal> Is there a better day?
<pawsitive> I'm in class until 9 Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I think I'm teaching a dog class Wednesdays starting in May, but surely I can be home by 8:30 or 9:00 after training
<po0f> Should we switch the day then?
<indylarry> Thursdays?
<jeremyrnelson> How about 8 on Thurs? All in favor, aye. All opposed, nay
* schultmc_ currently has class on tuesday and thursday
<indylarry> aye
<ChrisWalker> aye
<pawsitive> Dog training in Columbus...I get home about 9:30
<phelyx> nay
<dtbell99> aye
<po0f> aye
<schultmc_> nay
<SimonAnibal> I'm fine with just about any day. Friday's might best not be considered , though
<SimonAnibal> quite a few nays on the Thursday
<pawsitive> Mondays? Mondays are usually better for me.
<phelyx> I second monday
<jeremyrnelson> I have class Monday, but that's fine.
<jeremyrnelson> I'll nay Monday, but all others aye/nay?
<technoid_> aye
<schultmc_> aye
<ChrisWalker> aye
<SimonAnibal> aye
<phelyx> aye
<dtbell99> aye
<po0f> aye
<indylarry> aye
<IndyTim> question : what happened to the Wed vote?
<SimonAnibal> IndyTim: we're exploring all the options
<indylarry> aye
<phelyx> I suggest a Sunday vote
<jeremyrnelson> I think our options are 8 weds or 8 Monday. One nay in both cases.
<JohnPhys> Monday works better for me that Wed
<pawsitive> Monday!
<jeremyrnelson> I'm fine with that - I'll join when I get home from class. 2nd Monday of the month, 8 PM Eastern. Any opposed?
<indylarry> no
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: Does your class end at 8?
<jeremyrnelson> Rather, let's do aye/nay to 2nd Monday, 8 PM. My class ends at 8:45, so I don't get home until 9. No worries - it's only going to affect next month.
<jeremyrnelson> I just realized it's only one month, so I'll change my vote to aye.
<dtbell99> aye
<SimonAnibal> aye
<technoid_> aye
<pawsitive> aye
<po0f> aye
<ChrisWalker> aye
<schultmc_> aye
<IndyTim> aye
<JohnPhys> aye
<jeremyrnelson> I think it's unanimous....
<SimonAnibal> Right on
<dtbell99> Now we're rocking!
<jeremyrnelson> Next order of business... Anybody volunteer to solve bug #1? :)
<indylarry> aye
<SimonAnibal> So, it's official, the second Monday of the month at 8pm it is
<jeremyrnelson> Gee thanks, Larry. That's quite an undertaking :)
<phelyx> aye
<SimonAnibal> But at least phelyx will help
<indylarry> That what we are all here for right?
<SimonAnibal> aye
<jeremyrnelson> Indeed.
* schultmc_ is quite impressed with ubuntu - if we do our LoCo job right, we can help raise its market share
<phelyx> my aye was applied to the meeting, I was on the phone
<SimonAnibal> phelyx: Just teasing
<technoid_> my reason for using linux doesn't have to do with microsoft's market share, it is about me using tools that I find effective
<indylarry> I am filling out the dell survey and checking Ubuntu for the distro
<po0f> So, how should we promote/represent Ubuntu to the community?
<SimonAnibal> Well, one of the things I've been working on is putting together some good HOWTO documentation for using Ubuntu in the particular network environment that is found at Bloomington High School North.
<indylarry> We have to get some visibility
<SimonAnibal> http://www.north.mccsc.edu/indianaaccess
<schultmc_> one of the things CINLUG has been doing is talking to local non profit organizations
<jeremyrnelson> I agree with technoid. I'm a sysadmin at Canterbury School in FW. We use Ubuntu because it's rock solid, doesn't need babysitting, and is free.
<technoid_> Free CDs on the counter if smaller PC shops?
<dtbell99> I would love to host some kind of community gathering to represent it
<indylarry> and not just with college kids and geek..no offense to those present
<technoid_> IU linux fest is April 11th
* schultmc_ is a college "kid" and a geek ;)
<technoid_> at IUPUI
<schultmc_> CINLUG will have a booth at IU LInuxFest
<indylarry> Sorry..partial thought
* schultmc_ still has some ubuntu disks to hand out i think
<dtbell99> downtown bloomington would be perfect, on the square
<schultmc_> IU LInuxFest alternates between IUB and IUPUI
<technoid_> dtbell: and the "activist-friendly" atmosphere would be a plus
<po0f> Web addy for LinuxFest?
<schultmc_> CINLUG may also have a booth at the ITEC conference in June - Ubuntu disks and XGL demos were a big hit last year
<dtbell99> right, I agree... people in bloomington are active and would be a good start
<schultmc_> po0f: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/linuxfest
<dtbell99> I say we create groups at some point and hit all of these areas
<jeremyrnelson> Somehow we've got to get from talking about it and having people nod and agree in theory to actually using it. What we've done at Canterbury is give away our old machines with Ubuntu pre-loaded. I don't know how especially effective it's been, but we've got a handful of faculty members that use it because they know they've got support for it.
<SimonAnibal> Hmmm, I seem to recall being invited to speak at the IU LinuxFest this year...
<indylarry> I would like to see us go beyond that.
<SimonAnibal> I can't find the e-mail though cause I'm actually on Ubuntu right now and Outlook Web Access hates Firefox
<dtbell99> Linux.com celebrity... you should Simon
<technoid_> We could talk to Virtual Scavangers about installing Ubuntu on machines they give away
<schultmc_> the newer install disks are live CDs also - it's easy to demonstrate it
<schultmc_> technoid_: CINLUG is working with them
* schultmc_ wears a lot of hats :)
<technoid_> schultmc: this might give more bodies to help with any questions and "support"
<SimonAnibal> Is Digital Scavengers anything like Free Geek?
<schultmc_> demonstrations and installfests are a good way to get people to actually use/see what it's like
<schultmc_> Virtual Scavengers is a PC/electronics recycling place
<technoid_> schultmc: how did the setup at the Glendale mall go?
<schultmc_> you can get older machines for a little cost
<indylarry> I volunteed a couple of times last fall
<schultmc_> technoid_: the glendale community day? or something else?
<indylarry> its a great place
<ChrisWalker> I really got into actually using Linux because of an Install Fest. I think those events really help.
<schultmc_> glendale community day was a total bust
<jeremyrnelson> http://www.vscavengers.org/
<indylarry> Me too..at virtual scavengers
<schultmc_> we may have given away 5 disks
<technoid_> schultmc, I believe that was it...when CINLUG had a booth setup in the mall
<schultmc_> technoid_: very poorly - not the right crowd
<schultmc_> plus glendale mall is like a ghost town
<schultmc_> at Castleton or some other more popular mall it might have done better
<technoid_> schultmc, okay, then that would probably translate the same to other malls
<schultmc_> i don't think so - we had very little traffic since the mall was pretty empty
<schultmc_> other malls have a lot more shoppers
<SimonAnibal> Did you set up a booth or something showing off on laptops?
<jeremyrnelson> I've heard the FW LUG debate Linux Fest vs. Install Fest. What's the big difference?
<dtbell99> not to mention the malls usually are filled with teenagers who could care less as long as they have their IM client
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: we had a booth with ubuntu disks and flyers, plus demoed stuff on laptops
<schultmc_> we had a projector too
<technoid_> How about a hamfest?
<schultmc_> i dunno if there's a local hamfest
<schultmc_> there's the dayton one
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: LinuxFest, in my experience, is things like presenters and booths and such, whereas an installfest focus on getting Linux installed
<technoid_> Jul 7th
<technoid_> http://www.indyhamfest.com/
<jeremyrnelson> What's the demographic? Are most LinuxFest visitors already Linux users?
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: Generally, yeah
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: Though I saw a lot of Macbooks and Windowx XP laptops
<jeremyrnelson> So we're not concerned with LinuxFest's, then. Our goal is to promote Linux conversion via Ubunutu from other OSes, not other Linux distros.
<schultmc_> the LinuxFest visitors are typically IU students
<jeremyrnelson> That's what I was wondering.
<indylarry> I am starting by trying to convert my family
<schultmc_> since the linuxfest is often in a building where classes are, people walk by who may or may not already use linux
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: Oh, yeah, I'm sure the demographics at the IU fest and the Ohio fest are different
<jeremyrnelson> If we can convert some people at an event like that where people have gone out of their way to check it out, it's going to cut out all the noise and riff-raff at a mall.
<phelyx> in that case promoting dual boot setups or virtual pc / vmware
<schultmc_> the indy hamfest might be a good opportunity
<technoid_> phelyx, vmare server is your friend
<JohnPhys> What's hamfest?
<schultmc_> ham radio
<jeremyrnelson> They slaughter a bunch of pigs....
<IndyTim> where's the Indy Hamfest held?
<JohnPhys> got it
<schultmc_> CAMP SERTOMA
<schultmc_> US Highway 52 East at German Church Road
<JohnPhys> as long as there's bacon...:P
<schultmc_> that's relatively close to my house
<jeremyrnelson> This is hideous, but there's been a FW one for a long time, too: http://www.fortwaynehamfest.com/
<schultmc_> if i'm not too worn out from international travel i could probably participate
<jeremyrnelson> I'm up for bacon.
<IndyTim> If I go do I have to wear my old call sign WA(GCR?
<pawsitive> You weren't kidding. That is hideous.
<SimonAnibal> Wow, is that hosted on GeoCities?
<JohnPhys> agreed on the hideous part
<technoid_> There is one in Lafayette also
<technoid_> in August
<phelyx> http://www.ncihamfest.com
<JohnPhys> Is anyone in here in/around Lafayette?
<phelyx> NWI
<ChrisWalker> As a fairly new arrival to Linux, and to Ubuntu specifically, I think the factor that finally made the difference for was the 6 or 7 Ubuntu-starter books on the market new that help new users. Perhaps, at whatever promotional event we would initialte, we could have several of such books around so that people know there are traditional forms of self-teaching, beyond the new avenues of wikis,...
<ChrisWalker> ...forums, etc.
<SimonAnibal> Are HAM people more likely to respond to Linux information than the general populace? I'm not sure I get the connection here
<jeremyrnelson> Here's a list of Indiana hamfests from 2004 if you want to see where many of them are located.
<jeremyrnelson> Yes, hams were the early electronic enthusiasts, so they're more technically saavy, but if they haven't converted to Linux by now.....
<SimonAnibal> ChrisWalker: That's not a bad idea, I have a copy of both "The Official Ubuntu Book" and "Ubuntu Hacks"
<IndyTim> I think it would be a good choice. When I left ham radio it was starting to move into some decent integration with the PC world
<technoid_> Simon: i believe they more likely...and alot have older hardware sitting around
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: Bruce Perens joined Debian to work on ham stuff
<po0f> I have been meaning to get a copy of the official Ubuntu book.
* schultmc_ has the official Ubuntu book
<SimonAnibal> po0f I got a copy at the Ohio LinuxFest for fetching the event coordinator a drink
<jeremyrnelson> So, what about the IU LinuxFest? That's April 11, right? Is somebody here from that group?
* schultmc_ is from CINLUG and will be exhibiting there
<SimonAnibal> Then I begged the other book off of her for a promise to invite my boss and his boss to this year's OLF
<technoid_> I will be going to IU Linux fest
<ChrisWalker> There are also some video tutorials around, I am currently watching the one from the VTC company. It's great to see an explosion of conventional support.
<jeremyrnelson> Exhibiting what? Ubuntu?
<schultmc_> IU's USSG (Unix system support group) is putting it on
<SimonAnibal> I'll most likely be going, as I've been invited to speak
<schultmc_> jeremyrnelson: for CINLUG - i'll probably have Ubuntu disks there and demo XGL or Beryl
<jeremyrnelson> Simon, you could always do a streaming video feed from across town so you could speak without attending? :)
<technoid_> I am going to see about getting a table for BLUG...and we can share that with the LoCo
<SimonAnibal> I have a big stack of brochures and a roll of stickers that I got from Canonical when I spoke at CINLUG (they arrived too late to give away at the actual meeting)
<po0f> Ooh, stickers.
<schultmc_> technoid_: I can forward you the contact information for who you need to talk to
<JohnPhys> Simon: what kind of stickers?
<technoid_> schultmc, please do... sblaydes@sbce.org
<schultmc_> maybe CINLUG and BLUG could have adjoining booths
<technoid_> I was kinda hoping so...since I am a member of both
<SimonAnibal> Ummmm, they're white with a circled off left side and they have the Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings logo
<jeremyrnelson> How big is this thing going to be? I'm used to Fort Wayne, where we're lucky if 10 people show up to the LUG meetings...
<po0f> So, the Linux Fest, you just walk in?
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: That's more than we usually get at BLUG
<dtbell99> Could we possibly contact Canonical about getting stuff for promotion? shirts, more cds.. etc...?
<pawsitive> Yeah, I was just gonna say, that's double what we managed this week...
<jeremyrnelson> But Bloomington's a quarter the size, so that's still not saying much about FW :)
<technoid_> paw: no, we had 6
<dtbell99> I would be willing to give it a shot
<schultmc_> technoid_: sent
<technoid_> thank you
<SimonAnibal> dtbell99: I can try to pull some strings at Canonical
<technoid_> BTW: is there any ppl or companies that we would like to invite to Linuxfest to see our booth if we get one?
<dtbell99> You might have a pretty good shot since you are not a celebrity.. hehehe
<technoid_> Such as Mike Huffman?
<dtbell99> sorry
<dtbell99> now a celebrity
<SimonAnibal> It'd be nice to get Edgy CDs, but they claim to only be sending them to "Official" LoCos
<schultmc_> ooh - Mike'd be a good person to invite
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: CINLUG has some blank cds - i could burn a few
<schultmc_> dapper's nice since it's LTS though
<schultmc_> feisty may or may not be out by then
<technoid_> I was thinking of also inviting some politicians
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ CD-Rs aren't quite as impressive as the official printed ones with the cardboard sleeves, but they'll do in a pinch
<jeremyrnelson> Politicians? Huh?
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: I sometimes print labels and put them in the cardboard sleeves :)
<ChrisWalker> I don't think the official Ubuntu book is not all the great to be honest. The others score a bit higher for me, they're just more readable. The official ubuntu books has some interesting antecdotes, but otherwise, it is rather disjointed, for newcomers at least.
<pawsitive> If that's the route we go, I'll volunteer to design labels for them.
<po0f> I've got a LightScribe drive. I can come up with Dapper/Edgy CD images to print on those.
<technoid_> jeremy: show the politician that it works and is free...they tend to like that for schools and such
<po0f> A little bit fancier than a plain CDR. :)
<SimonAnibal> The Official Ubuntu book is already starting to show it's age, the technical content is pretty specific to Dapper. I do like the community and philosphy blurbs, though
<SimonAnibal> technoid_: Mike's already sold on Linux
<technoid_> right, but he even brought a state politician to the CINLUG meeting
<jeremyrnelson> Does he regularly attend the CINLUG?
<SimonAnibal> technoid_: That's true...
<schultmc_> jeremyrnelson: no, he was a special guest at our November meeting
<schultmc_> he talked about the program SimonAnibal works on
<SimonAnibal> jeremyrnelson: And someone from Novell and Red Hat spoke there as well. Kim got ahold of Canonical to see if they'd send someone to speak on THEIR behalf, and they got a hold of me.
<jeremyrnelson> Yeah, I know who he is, I just didn't know if he was a regular LUG attender or not. For those who don't know, Mike Huffman is the Dept of Education coordinator of the inACCESS program, which aims to get 1 PC for each student in the classroom. They recommend SLED or Linspire, I think, but Simon and us (Canterbury) have used Ubuntu with the same model.
<SimonAnibal> Another topic: LOGO. pawsitive, our very own professional graphic designer is working on a Logo for us. She was wondering if anyone had ideas on that
<jeremyrnelson> Everyone probably knows this, but Simon is moving from Bloomington to FW next month to take over my job at Canterbury.
<pawsitive> And, as a warning, if I get no input from the group, I'll design 6 logo options, all with dogs or pawprints.
<SimonAnibal> They made me an offer I couldn't resist
<schultmc_> pawsitive: heh
<schultmc_> pawsitive: ubuntu's logo and the state of indiana should be utilized somehow imo
<pawsitive> You think I'm joking?
<JohnPhys> pawsitive : I'll try and get some inupt then
<schultmc_> the state flag w/ the ubuntu logo instead of the stars might be interesting
<po0f> schultmc_: You mean like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=379048 ?
<phelyx> pawsitive: faded outline of indiana with the ubuntu local in circle around indianapolis
<schultmc_> po0f: yeah
<schultmc_> this is the indiana LoCo team, not the indy team, so it should try and be more inclusive
<po0f> Well, sans Georgia outline and the peach.
<pawsitive> I'm not currently maintaining personal webspace anywhere--how do we want to share and discuss proposed logos? Email to list or ?
<SimonAnibal> Hmmmm, can images be uploaded to the Ubuntu wiki?
<po0f> Use the wiki.
<schultmc_> pawsitive: i can host images - you could e-mail them to me (schultmc@cinlug.org) and i can post a link
<schultmc_> the wiki has to have them hosted somewhere doesn't it?
<po0f> I'm not sure, I hate wikis.
<SimonAnibal> That's my question, really, some wikis like the Wikipedia will let you upload images
<phelyx> there are several image host sites out there that should meet the demand
* schultmc_ doesn't see a way to upload files on the ubuntu wiki
<schultmc_> i can host them - i've got tons of bandwidth
* schultmc_ also works on the gallery project - it's great for this task :)
<SimonAnibal> If nothing else, I could upload them to my flickr account
<SimonAnibal> That where I host stuff for my blog
<schultmc_> gallery is open source :)
* SimonAnibal nods gravely
<SimonAnibal> So, bug schultmc_ about them is the consensus here
<SimonAnibal> heheh
<schultmc_> heh
<pawsitive> Sounds like a plan to me.
<SimonAnibal> I'm hesitant to suggest logos like the ones on that ubuntuforums thread cause, though very distinctive in what the logo is supposed to be for, they kind of strike me as the slightest bit tacky
<jeremyrnelson> So is somebody going to work on a booth for IUFest?
<po0f> For now, would it be more productive to form sub-groups, or just work as one until we get more members?
<schultmc_> CINLUG already has a booth, technoid_ is working on one for BLUG
<technoid_> I will
<technoid_> i will see about one for BLUG and LoCO
<SimonAnibal> I'll poke people at Canonical to see if we can get some official swag
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: so give pawsitive a diff suggestion :)
<jeremyrnelson> It doesn't matter much exactly who "sponsors" the group, just so long as we have a pretty Ubuntu screen in front of people :)
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ I've been mulling it over in my mind
* schultmc_ will have a pretty ubuntu screen w/ cool eye candy
<SimonAnibal> spiffy, hands on demonstration is much more effective than "TAKE THIS CD HOME AND TRY IT!"
<pawsitive> I'll try to come up with a variety of options, probably only one of which will include a border collie.
<JohnPhys> schultmc: eye candy as in beryl/xgl/compiz?
<schultmc_> JohnPhys: yep
* schultmc_ already has xgl/compiz setup on my demo machine
<schultmc_> i'd like to try beryl
<SimonAnibal> We should maybe put together some information about the Indiana Local Community so people have a place to go to for support
<SimonAnibal> Nothing fancy, just a "We're here for you, here's how to find us" sheet
<phelyx> a wiki or an additional website
<SimonAnibal> maybe bookmark-sized
<JohnPhys> schultmc_: is that wise to do if we're trying to introduce people to linux? Beryl and such haven't had a stable 1.0 release yet, so showing non-linux users something fancy that has a real chance of not working for them might not be the best idea...
<SimonAnibal> I mean to physically give away at these events
<schultmc_> JohnPhys: the XGL eye candy was a big hit at ITEC
<schultmc_> i was planning on trying out beryl since i haven't done so yet
<schultmc_> XGL seems fairly stable
<po0f> Beryl is fun.
<SimonAnibal> Beryl is getting pretty good, I'm still unable to watch certain types of videos while I have it on, though
<schultmc_> it's 9:00 - anything else to discuss tonight? :)
<jeremyrnelson> Ah, just suck them in. Fiddling with things that aren't quite stable is part of the Linux experience :)
<schultmc_> heh
<ChrisWalker> Showing them cross-platform applications, and applications which work well with Wine are really helpful to give people confidence in making the switch.
<SimonAnibal> I've got nothing left to say that I can think of
<schultmc_> just cause I demo something doesn't mean they have to set it up that way :)
<phelyx> If want to get the kids involved I suggest using my desktop background http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/12814/2005981110958441759_rs.jpg
<schultmc_> the eye candy does draw people into the booth
<pawsitive> I think the audience we need to reach is more of the "Here's the stock install...look...you've got your email, you've got your world wide web, here's where you edit your digital photos..."
<JohnPhys> schultmc_ : I have no doubt it's a big hit, I just think it's a bit dishonest to sell people on something when they most likely won't be able to reproduce the experience.
<technoid_> What does it take to be an official LoCo
<technoid_> ?
<po0f> So will our next meeting be before LinuxFest? I am interested in going, but would like more info.
<jeremyrnelson> Ah, but you're not "selling". It's free! :)
<schultmc_> technoid_: approval by the LoCo council
<SimonAnibal> technoid_: Going before the community council and proving we've worked together well as a team
<technoid_> okay
<jeremyrnelson> I move to adjourn :) Next meeting is Monday, April 9 , 8 PM. IU LinuxFest is the 11th.
* schultmc_ seconds
<pawsitive> We came up with a regular meeting time...clearly we're making excellent progress as a team!
<SimonAnibal> technoid_: it shouldn't be a problem, we just need time to build a resume
<po0f> :)
<SimonAnibal> Right on
<technoid_> Simon: okay, just wanted to know
<schultmc_> we can work on form and mailing list activity in the meantime
<SimonAnibal> definitely, that's why it's there
<schultmc_> active team and active community will help us convince the council we're for real
<SimonAnibal> Who wants to summarize this meeting for the benefit of the mailing list and forums?
<ChrisWalker> Glad to be part of the Indiana LoCo!
<po0f> Who's active on the forums?
<jeremyrnelson> Hopefully a bunch of us can meet in person at LinuxFest. Not sure I'll be there since I live 3 1/2 hrs away, but have fun.
<SimonAnibal> I keep an eye on them and cross-post any big official stuff to both the mailing list and forums
<jeremyrnelson> I nominate SimonAnibal for secretary!
<schultmc_> heh
<schultmc_> that's a demotion :)
<jeremyrnelson> President & Secretary!
<jeremyrnelson> Heck, make him treasurer, too!
* schultmc_ can write up something unless someone else wants to
<SimonAnibal> You trust me with the play money?
<SimonAnibal> Yay!
<po0f> I'm not good with writing stuff.
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ I'd appreciate that, though I was about to say the exact same thing
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ Nothing fancy just "We had a meeting, we decided to have meetings at this time, we discussed the IU LinuxFest, If you have any Logo ideas share them..." Ummm, I'm not sure what else
<JohnPhys> How exactly does one join the mailing list?
<schultmc_> JohnPhys: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam
<SimonAnibal> it's linked off of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam
<schultmc_> click the mailing list link
<SimonAnibal> heh
<po0f> I could be the "forum presence" until we get more active members.
<JohnPhys> Thanks
<SimonAnibal> po0f Right on, that'd be great. I'll make sure to be active as well
<JohnPhys> Is there a member list somewhere?
<SimonAnibal> same page
<JohnPhys> I gotta check out the links before asking questions...
<po0f> :)
<SimonAnibal> and at the launchpad page linked to from it
<phelyx> Is indiana.ubuntuforums.org down still?
<SimonAnibal> Ummm, it shouldn't be...
<po0f> phelyx: It should be a redirect.
<JohnPhys> phelyx: I can't get to indiana.ubuntuforums.org either
<po0f> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=213
<phelyx> ok so its the same site
<SimonAnibal> huh. I'm not having problems...I wonder what could be the problem
<phelyx> I'm refering to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=379727
<SimonAnibal> Yeah, indiana.ubuntuforums.org is just an alias that redirects you to the forum
<SimonAnibal> phelyx: I just looked at your background, hah! I love it
<pawsitive> I cannot get there either.
<ChrisWalker> We edit the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam page directly to add ourselves to the "Indiana Team Members"?
<phelyx> http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/12814/2005981110958441759_rs.jpg
<jeremyrnelson> Yes, Chris.
<SimonAnibal> We're all talking about http://indiana.ubuntuforums.org/ right? that doesn't work for ya?
<SimonAnibal> ChrisWalker: If you have a launchpad account, you can also add yourself to our launchpad team
<SimonAnibal> ChrisWalker: If you have no idea what I'm talking about, don't worry
<pawsitive> I can get there from the link you just posted, but not from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam
<po0f> Redirect works for me.
<ChrisWalker> What exactly is launchpad... I followed the link earlier, but it wasn't immediately clear to me.
<JohnPhys> Simon: odd, for some reason I was trying to get to https://indiana.ubuntuforums.org/ (note the (s)ecure), the link you posted is just fine.
<po0f> The wiki is slow and stupid.
<SimonAnibal> ChrisWalker: It's an online collaboration environment, it's how you work with Ubuntu to report bugs or help develop or help translate or whatever
<phelyx> ok redirect
<phelyx> is good
<jeremyrnelson> OK guys, I'm signing out. Good night!
<SimonAnibal> Good night Jeremy, take care!Q
<po0f> Night
<ChrisWalker> gotcha... I'm generally interesting in the localization of Ubuntu into Tibetan language, so I guess other people working on this issue will have discussions on Lauchpad.
<pawsitive> phelyx-Great Danes are also slow and stupid, but there's nothing wrong with them. I like Great Danes.
<SimonAnibal> *lol*
<po0f> You can't compare wikis to dogs.
<SimonAnibal> The wiki is slow and stupid because I just got a bunch of notifications that people are trying to edit it simultaneously
<pawsitive> I can compare *anything* to dogs!
<ChrisWalker> Good night, all. Look forward to next time.
<po0f> Later, ChrisWalker.
<IndyTim> Catch up with you on the mailing list etc. Have a good one
<SimonAnibal> Take it easy everyone. I need to go get ready for sleep
<pawsitive> Good night!
<po0f> You people and you're sleep.
<JohnPhys> For those left in here, anyone around the Lafayette area?
<phelyx> um, I'm a purdue guy
<phelyx> but different campus
<pawsitive> Bloomingtonish, here.
<SimonAnibal> schultmc_ You good writing the summary for this meeting? You might want to mention where the log is...hmmm...let me see if I can remember where that would be...
<JohnPhys> alrighty, just curious
<SimonAnibal> I'm in Bloomington, destined for Ft.Wayne
<schultmc_> SimonAnibal: already sent the mail
<schultmc_> i can link to it in the forum post though
<SimonAnibal> right on. let me just dig that up if I can
* schultmc_ is searching too
<po0f> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2007/03/14/%23ubuntu-indiana.html ?
<SimonAnibal> po0f: That might be the one. It'll take a little while for the whole day to show up
<po0f> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2007/03/15/%23ubuntu-indiana.html
<schultmc_> 15 is the one due to UTC
<SimonAnibal> Ahhhhhhhhh
<SimonAnibal> Well, then, all our meetings will be near the top of the log :-D
<po0f> At least it's not split between 14 and 15.
* SimonAnibal nods
<schultmc_> ooh
<SimonAnibal> Ok, taking off now for real
<schultmc_> i didn't send the mail yet - /me adds the irc log link
<SimonAnibal> Later ya'lls
<po0f> Night.
<phelyx> ok oddball question to see if anyone can answer, is there a way to change receive window in ubuntu
<schultmc_> good night all
<JohnPhys> phelyx: if what you're talking about is the "rwin".......then I don't know
<phelyx> yes rwin
<JohnPhys> maybe in the interfaces file?
<JohnPhys> didn't find it in the man page, so probably not there
<phelyx> somewhere in there, wrote a research paper on changing rwin in a local windows network environment
<phelyx> was going to see about expanding it into linux. A guy from Internet 2 told me the Unix servers generally autofind their optimal rwin, linux probably does the same.
<JohnPhys> yeah, unfortunately, I have no idea :)
<phelyx> no biggy, I just installed Ubuntu on Monday
<phelyx> liked it so much I installed it on 3 other machines in my house
<JohnPhys> nice, kind of a quick switch isn't that?
<phelyx> i've been going through different distros recently trying to find the easiest one for my research
<phelyx> PUC is all about Fedora Core 4, even though 6 is out.
<phelyx> I was running Centos before this.
<JohnPhys> what's your research?
<phelyx> last semester as I stated was optimizing receive window in a local windows network environment
<phelyx> this semester it is OS's outdueling for network speed, want to calculate average RTT, bandwidth size etc, Rwin
<JohnPhys> ah, nice
<JohnPhys> well, I don't know anything about rwin, but if you need to spoof a MAC address, I can help you out there
<phelyx> don't think so
<JohnPhys> alrighty
<phelyx> using the revamp to ethereal called wireshark
<phelyx> nice little packet sniffer
<JohnPhys> nice
<JohnPhys> I don't do much with that
<JohnPhys> I'm definitely a "get-it-to-work" ubuntu user
<JohnPhys> of course, that includes after I (or windows) breaks things
<JohnPhys> found out how to recover partition tables last week
<phelyx> I basically can set a filter, it will give me a time to the millionth of a second of when a packet is sent
<phelyx> fromt here i can determine how much time it took to transfer a data through a certain protocol, i prefer ftp
<phelyx> smb can get anonying
<phelyx> can also see collided packets
<phelyx> recover as in unallocated or
<JohnPhys> sweet
<phelyx> although network speed can very, i take about 20 samples then do an average with standard deviations
<phelyx> i proved in my first paper that changing the default rwin for windows to something rediculous increased network speed 3-5%
<phelyx> this paper was brought on by a conversation I had with a graphic arts guy who told me at their company party they played quake windows vs macs and the macs were able to respawn faster to what he believes is their network speed compared to windows
<JohnPhys> way for quake to pave the way on research
<phelyx> so if two of the same machines send the same size packet using the same protocol faster in one os than another
<phelyx> is the overall project.
<JohnPhys> sweet
<phelyx> I was told after my first paper that rwindow often depends on the amount of memory the machine has and since windows uses more memory for basic tasks that it will lag behind linux (in theory)
<JohnPhys> seems like a decent hypothesis
<phelyx> I have a buddy at Argonne Labs in Batavia, IL very curious. At Argonne their Atom smashing causes a pedabit/s data transfer.
<phelyx> his current bottlenecks are harddrive limitations
<JohnPhys> yeah, all of the HEP stuff uses massive amounts of bandwidth
<phelyx> I'd like to work there in 3-4 years, after cisco certs etc.
<JohnPhys> Yeah? sweet.
<JohnPhys> I'm currently trying to get my doctorate in physics.
<phelyx> little beyond Newton right
<JohnPhys> hehe, something like that
<phelyx> tell me something real quick, are they still using fortran as a physics teaching tool
<JohnPhys> I haven't had to use it at all.
<JohnPhys> in the freshmen physics labs I know they use VPython for some things.
<phelyx> yah this was a 2nd semester fresh/soph physics course at Illinois State that used fortran to work with newton's 1st laws etc.
<phelyx> its been a while, in fact i should erase fortran off my resume
<JohnPhys> I'm in the (very early) process of trying to learn any language at all, starting with C
<phelyx> I started with C
<phelyx> well I started with Basic
<phelyx> but C was the first 3rd level language
<JohnPhys> what are the levels of languages?
<phelyx> um 3rd is when they reference addresses I think, 4th is your visual basic point and click (web html makers)
<phelyx> 1st is your assembly style, the 10 print help 20 goto 10
<phelyx> ah wait
<phelyx> 1st is the assembly, 2nd is using named variables
<phelyx> 3rd is your use of passing my memory addressing and object orienting
<phelyx> 4th is your point and click
<JohnPhys> ah, ok then
<JohnPhys> about the only programming I've done is in mathematica, and even that wasn't much
<phelyx> technically websites are considered programming
<phelyx> using irc scripts like /me something is programming
<JohnPhys> well, yeah, I guess
<phelyx> Hehe, Chicago is going to issue taxes for the olymipics
<JohnPhys> ??
<phelyx> The IOC doesn't believe Chicago can raise 500 million with donations alone, so there is going to a tax setup incase they don't get it as an insurance to prove to the IOC that Chicago can finance the games.
<phelyx> This is after a promise made by Daily that there will be no tax on Chicago
<JohnPhys> nice
<JohnPhys> ahh, I see.
<phelyx> and I don't care cause i'm 4 miles from the stateline and will weep the rewards either way
<JohnPhys> crazy politicians
<phelyx> people will actually pay to stay in Gary for once
<phelyx> moving to Indiana from Illinois is possibly one of the top 5 things I ever done.
<JohnPhys> Why is that?
<bencrowe> I guess I missed the whole meeting. How was it?
<phelyx> um
<phelyx> there should be notes
<phelyx> somewhere
<JohnPhys> I think they're posted in the forum already.
<phelyx> but next meeting is monday april 9th at 8pm
<bencrowe> yeah, I have 2 small kids and sometimes getting them in bed is a challenge
<phelyx> just make them some tasty brown sugar water
<bencrowe> brown sugar water?
<phelyx> jim bean, jack, captain
<phelyx> which ever has a prettier cartoon character on the bottle
<bencrowe> ahhh, right
<phelyx> so basically the meeting today is mainly about becoming a community and external involvement with educating people to ubuntu at different festivals including linuxfest and hamfest
<phelyx> the theory is that ham radio operators will want to run ubuntu
<bencrowe> yeah, I'm going therough the logs on the forums now
<JohnPhys> out of curiosity, what program are people using to access this channel?
<bencrowe> I'm running XChat on both my Ubuntu and XP boxes
<phelyx> VERSION
<phelyx> john type /ctcp #UBUNTU-INDIANA Version
<technoid_> xchat rocks
<phelyx> xchat been around for ages, i didn't even bother with mozilachat
<JohnPhys> alrighty, I was just wondering
<JohnPhys> I'm currently using gaim
<phelyx> oh yah forgot gaim does that
<phelyx> if only i can get an irc client for my nintendo wii
<JohnPhys> would there be a compelling reason for me to use xchat instead of gaim?
<po0f> irssi ftw! ;P
<phelyx> i think xchat supports things like file transfers, time stamps, logging
<phelyx> and of course scripts
<JohnPhys> ah, alrighty
<phelyx> I learned IRC the hard way, and I like it.
<phelyx> xchat is kinda the DOS for GAIM
<phelyx> or terminal for AIM
<phelyx> um, backwards
<JohnPhys> makes sense, I just started using gaim for irc since I had been using gaim for a while, and love how it integrated irc stuff
<JohnPhys> .....should probably say "that it integrated" rather than "how it integrated"
<phelyx> I got a stupid Physics question for you that I've been pondering for a few years now.
<JohnPhys> go for it
<phelyx> Suppose, the earth's core is a hollowed out space that can be habital for human life, ie normal air pressure, oxygen etc.
<phelyx> is a perfectly round sphere about 6 foot diameter for a human.
<phelyx> I'm assuming since you are in this core you are basically weightless, would be my first question
<phelyx> and the second and main question would be, could you technically be able to spin the earth on your own with typical human strength
<po0f> phelyx: Like a hamster ball?
<phelyx> something like that
<phelyx> a hamster ball has friction to earth gravity
<phelyx> but if your the center of gravity what would happen
<JohnPhys> phelyx: That's a yes on the weightlessness, but a negative on the spinning
<phelyx> my logic takes me to say no
<bencrowe> I used MIRC years ago, but it's not free anymore...so XChat it is
<phelyx> because then humans would be able to spin space shuttles the same way
<phelyx> well good now I can live life knowing the answer to my pointless question
<JohnPhys> hehe, glad I could help
<phelyx> Has anyone installed XGL/Compiz
<JohnPhys> yeah, but I had a few issues with it
<JohnPhys> I should say I just used the ones from the official repos
<phelyx> Hmm yah I'm not going to try it till gets more fixed.
<bencrowe> nope, I have an old Dell notebook with an integrated ATI card...not even trying Beryl or Compiz
<bencrowe> VERSION
<technoid_> morning all
<schultmc> mornining
<schultmc> bah
<schultmc> morning :)
<technoid_> it is such a rainy day outside, it is actually nice to be inside at the computer
* schultmc hopes DPW comes and picks up my heavy trash
<schultmc> i've got some refrigerator parts in cardboard boxes and the boxes are starting to disentigrate
<technoid_> that could be an issue
<schultmc> the regular trash guys were supposed to radio into DPW
<schultmc> now I have to report it to the mayor's action center and DPW will send out an inspector to verify my heavy trash is still there
<technoid_> thats kinda funny
<schultmc> lovely bureaucracy
<technoid_> nice and efficient
<schultmc> last time i had heavy trash it sat there for a week and the regular trash guys picked it up the next week
<schultmc> before the inspector came
<schultmc> inspector calls dpw and says there's no heavy trash here
<SimonAnibal> I've been told we can request a Conference Pack
<schultmc> SimonAnibal: cool - thanks for checking on that
<SimonAnibal> We just need to send the following information:
<SimonAnibal> *
<SimonAnibal> Your name and LoCo team
<SimonAnibal> *
<SimonAnibal> Complete shipping address, including phone number.
<SimonAnibal> *
<SimonAnibal> The conference name, location, date and URL.
<SimonAnibal> *
<SimonAnibal> Information on the booth you will be manning
<SimonAnibal> *
<SimonAnibal> You should also add yourself to ConferenceAppearances
<SimonAnibal> Okay, so I've added the event to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances
<SimonAnibal> I guess I'll put my home address as the shipping address
<SimonAnibal> A conference pack contains 4 t-shirts, 200 Ubuntu leaflets and 200 Ubuntu stickers.
<SimonAnibal> I already have an Ubuntu t-shirt, so that means we'll have 5 total possible people in t-shirts
<SimonAnibal> If we get the same combination as I did it'll be one XL, 2 Ls, and 1 M
<technoid_> none for me then
<SimonAnibal> I've officially requested the Conference Pack then
<SimonAnibal> I think we're just below the 4 week deadline
<schultmc> yesterday was exactly 4 weeks
<SimonAnibal> Yeah, they say "AT LEAST 4 weeks", so let's hope they're the slightest bit lenient on that
<SimonAnibal> If we don't get the Conference Pack, I do have a bunch of leaflets and some stickers left over
<SimonAnibal> *shrug*
<SimonAnibal> well, I'm going in to the school to work me on some Ubuntu!
<SimonAnibal> Take it easy, ya'lls

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