<netzmeister> yann2: ping

<yann2> ?

<_Lux> hi

<yann2> hey lux :)

<_Lux> hi yann2

<yann2> mmh i wanted to ask you something but i forgot :s

<yann2> yeah, netzmeister wanted to use trac

<yann2> is there a way to use the same trac on eshu for ubuntude?

<yann2> and btw, ping jalrnc ?

<_Lux> if it was good, you would remember it ;-)

<_Lux> yann2: Sure

<_Lux> yann2: It is just an other project

<_Lux> But I think we should install trac for communities on ajok

<yann2> ajok, you think? why not

<yann2> btw, do you know svn good? we'd need it really soon

<_Lux> yann2: no! I now cvs better. Why do _we_ need svn?

<yann2> ubuntufr, for the development of the website :)

<yann2> and ubuntude, for theirs :p

<_Lux> yann2: Ok! The communities need svn ...

<_Lux> yann2: Installation of svn is no big problem ...

<yann2> i've seen it has been on ajok

<yann2> do you know how to configure that?

<yann2> i basically never used svn

<_Lux> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Subversion

<_Lux> ;-)

<yann2> so that's a no? :p

<_Lux> yann2: I know as much as you know ... IIRC jalrnc will install svn.

<yann2> jalrnc ?

<_Lux> http://eshu.ubuntu-eu.org/trac/ubuntu_eu/ticket/48

<yann2> yeah, this was a ping :p

<_Lux> You can create a repository with "svnadmin create <pathname>"

<_Lux> what more do you want to now

<_Lux> what more do you want to know

<_Lux> Every user has the right to start svnadmin

<_Lux> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/

<yann2> ok :)

<jalrnc> yann2: hey! so what's the situation? isn't svn already there? if not I can do it tonight

<jalrnc> in and out during the day

<yann2> jalrnc > there is a svn which seems to be installed

<jalrnc> I'm at IBM in NY for the week

<yann2> oh :p

<yann2> i'd need a svn pointing to /srv/www/fr/www.ubuntu-fr.org or something like that

<yann2> and btw _Lux

<yann2> which php should we install?

<yann2> mod_, fast_cgi?

<_Lux> hi jalrnc

<_Lux> yann2: svadmin create /srv/www/fr/www.ubuntu-fr.org

<_Lux> ;-)

<yann2> ok

<_Lux> or something like that

<_Lux> yann2: php: the same as on asa

<_Lux> hi

<yann2> re

<_Lux> wb

<Mirv> Hi. Do you think it is possible to transfer Ubuntu Finland to ubuntu-eu.org's hosting, in case all else fails? We'are having very difficult times at Canonical's hosting, and can't endure Feisty release if it keeps this way (Matthew Nuzum is trying one more thing, but the hopes for a new server seem as slim as 5 months ago).

<yann2> hey Mirv :)

<yann2> well... how big are you, and what software do you use?

<yann2> we're having some trouble with the german wiki which is using too much resources, but besides thiat one, we may be able to host you

<Mirv> Hi. We use SMF (simplemachines forum), Wordpress and MoinMoin... and yeah I believe you if you say it's causing problems, we might be able to settles temporarily for something more static, too

<Mirv> though python/php accelerators should help, if you know how to configure those

<yann2> we already have eaccel

<yann2> SMF and wordpress should not be a problem, mut I'm more worried about moinmoin

<yann2> is it customised?

<Mirv> we're well quite big but not of course as big as Germany or France, forums is the most busiest part, we have >4000 registered users and about 70-100 concurrent users during busy hours.

<Mirv> it has a own theme file - http://www.ubuntu-fi.org/ (the front page is static, but created with MoinMoin too)

<Mirv> MediaWiki would be also fine, I think I could still manage to manually copy-paste (in raw mode, making required modifications) the current wiki contents

<yann2> like dokuwiki? :)

<yann2> we're using dokuwikii for a few years, it has greatly improved over the past few monthes

<Mirv> hmm, I haven't used it :)

<Mirv> of course, one option would also be to host only the forums.. it has it's own domain forum.ubuntu-fi.org

<yann2> well, if there weren't the wiki you'd have my voice, but we already have _heavy_ problems with the german moinmoin

<Mirv> I think smurf probably still is the one who can make DNS changes, and it could be quite transparent that way

<yann2> he's not the only one

<Mirv> yann2: ok, good to know, we're exploring our options

<Mirv> so would we in theory have your vote for hosting the SMF forums?-)

<Mirv> if need be

<yann2> yeah

<Mirv> cool :) it gives us some options at least that are possible to do. I'll keep that in mind.

<yann2> i'll ping the other admins about that, just come back if your needs become real :)

<Mirv> ok, thanks for pinging... they can voice their concerns if it sounds too worrisome. we're just a smaaalll European country, no big burden :D (ok, quite active country, but still)

<Mirv> are you btw paying for the hosting yourselves? we could arrange money raising if need be to cover costs caused by Ubuntu Finland

<yann2> we're not paying for hosting, neither for bandwidth

<yann2> but a small contribution would be appreciated if we need to buy more servers :)

<yann2> (and sysadmins skills are greatly appreciated too ;) )

<Mirv> ok :) I'm sure our users are very grateful for smooth operation, so grateful that they'll happily give money to possible server purchases too :)

<Mirv> I'm also ready to let my modest sysadmin skills into use, at least so that you don't have to worry about our site

<Mirv> but yes, let's see what happens

<netzmeister> yann2: ping

<yann2> pong

<netzmeister> hi yann

<netzmeister> can you send me the actual slow-logs?

<netzmeister> yann2: ping

<yann2> i thought you had a cronjob for that?

<netzmeister> yes. but only saturday morning.. i need it yet..

<yann2> netzmeister > we may welcome ubuntu-fi on our servers soon

<netzmeister> ohh nice. What software they use?

<netzmeister> Forum, Portal etc..

<yann2> <Mirv> Hi. We use SMF (simplemachines forum), Wordpress and MoinMoin... and yeah I believe you if you say it's causing problems, we might be able to settles temporarily for something more static, too

<yann2> ping jalrnc , smurf

<jalrnc> yann2:

<jalrnc> hey

<jalrnc> I'm yours for 5 min :)

<yann2> hey jalrnc :)

<yann2> what do you think of accepting ubunut-fi?

<yann2> have a look at my last mail :)

<jalrnc> ok, 1 sec...

<jalrnc> I agree with you yann

<jalrnc> moinmoin makes me nervous too, given that we already have problems with the german one

<Mirv> is the agreeing "forums okay, the rest maybe not"? :)

<jalrnc> pt is using moin moin too... but very low traffic... :)

<yann2> Mirv > no pb for the forum, and your blog

<Mirv> because in the case we need the hosting, the forums would probably be quite okay

<jalrnc> yep

<yann2> but moinmoin with high traffic is a pain, the german team is experiencing it right now

<jalrnc> yep

<Mirv> Matthew Nuzum is trying still this week to optimize the server, but unless he succeeds, we are in need of some help

<yann2> we(re using like 30% of our apache resources, and the german wiki another 60%

<yann2> what server do you have?

<Mirv> forum.ubuntu-fi.org is already on a different user account, and I guess it's just a matter of some setup and a DNS change to switch that over

<yann2> i've no problem with your forum

<yann2> guess that SMF is pretty good

<netzmeister> yann2: <dee> netzmeister: was macht eigentlich der Dev-Server?

<yann2> netzmeister > ist sozusagen fertig.

<Mirv> yann2: 69.60.114.112, if I log in it says "art.ubuntu.com". it's some oldish server with 512MB RAM (the biggest problem) and Samsung IDE drive

<yann2> erf.

<yann2> lol.

<yann2> we have some better hardware, but the load may seem high because of the german wiki. Without it, we're pretty good, like 30% of the resources used.

<yann2> (_without_ the german wiki).

<yann2> but netzmeister is working hard on it :p

<netzmeister> yann2: The german wiki has become some nice performance tweaks.. look at munin

<Mirv> I'd also like to mention a few great things like running Ubuntu 5.10, having no backups except when I manually make those, and apache2 restart every _30 minutes_ to reduce swapping :)

<yann2> netzmeister > look at the cpu on asa... it's all moin :)

<netzmeister> the german forum is much faster as before.

<Mirv> so we are been having certain problems...

<netzmeister> hmm moinmoin isn't good i know. It's python :-DD

<yann2> Mirv > all our servers run ubuntu dapper, we have backups on a server in another datacenter with backupppc, and the servers are described on www.ubuntu-eu.org :)

<Mirv> netzmeister: is mod_python something that's already in use? not that I'd know much about its usage

<Mirv> (to accelerate moinmoin)

<netzmeister> Mirv: imho we use moin.fcg with fastcgi..

<Mirv> yann2: yeah, sounds good

<Mirv> netzmeister: yeah, I don't know if there are any statistics about whether fastcgi or mod_python is faster

<netzmeister> i think that the speed is the same. (maybe is mod_pyhton faster) but you have more options with fastcgi e.g. run the script with other permissions

<Mirv> "FastCGI also allows better security -- and, possibly, better performance -- than mod_python." okay...

<yann2> we're using fastcgi for both python and php

<Mirv> have you thought about using mediawiki?

<yann2> we are really pleased with dokuwiki actually

<yann2> their last release is wonderful, all the performance problems are gone

<netzmeister> Mirv: Yes, but the migration is .... uhhhhhh you know what i mean

<yann2> mediawiki is well known for being quite slow too :)

<netzmeister> yann2: sure

<Mirv> yann2: ah yes you mentioned that. I have to see what's its syntax like. I think MoinMoin is too unintuitive, but we are using it now and I've learned to handle it... MediaWiki rules

<yann2> Mirv > dokuwiki is the wiki used with trac

<Mirv> yann2: do you know if it's faster or slower than moinmoin? if slower, then it's not an option anyway. I just wonder how Wikimedia projects run :)

<netzmeister> Mirv: i think too. MediaWiki is good..

<yann2> faster.

<yann2> Mirv > ubuntufr is using dokuwiki, ubuntude moinmoin.

<yann2> dokuwiki was a pain a year ago, but they rewrote some important part of the code, and now it runs without problems.

<jalrnc> yann2: by the way, what kind of setup do we want for svn on eshu? same as it was on ajok? with apache?

<netzmeister> moinmoin isn't fast. Because its file based. that can't be faster as a wiki that uses a database

<Mirv> yann2: looks a bit more like mediawiki than moinmoin, the syntax

<yann2> jalrnc > I don't know svn :) but yeah we'll definitely need an apache

<yann2> netzmeister > dokuwiki is filebased too.

<jalrnc> no, mean... you can have svn with or without apache

<jalrnc> yann2: standalone without apache

<yann2> i don't know svn, ask netzmeister :)

<Mirv> yann2: might be a nice thing to change to, though someone of us need to do the theme that fits the rest of ubuntu-fi

<yann2> i want a www2.ubuntu-fr.org which i can update via svn

<jalrnc> yann2: or as an apache module, it's more powerful, better authentication, browsable, etc

<yann2> jalrnc > if you say so.

<jalrnc> yann2: :)

<yann2> if you think it's better, install what you think is best, and just document why you installed this one :)

<jalrnc> yann2: well, on ajok that seemed to be the setup there

<yann2> btw we may need some new scsi disk soon, our raid is down

<netzmeister> ups

<Mirv> oh, just remembered... is ubuntu-eu using mod_proxy? I hear it's been a great help at ubuntu.com

<Mirv> (gotta go now, but just mentioning)

<yann2> nope we aren't

<twilight> hi

<yann2> hey :)

<yann2> it's about your bot... i don't really get it

<yann2> why won't ubotu work for #ubuntu-it?

<twilight> one of the most problem in Italian...it's the Italian language :) ubot-it has only italian entries

<twilight> in italy*

<yann2> but ubotu is only for logging anyway, what features do you need translated?

<twilight> the most important feature is the Factoids plugin: something like: '!mp3' -> 'multimedia & codecs at wiki.etc....'

<yann2> i mean, we can't run a different locobot for each locoteam :p

<twilight> yann2: ubot-it doesn't log anything, that is the imporant feature

<yann2> i'll have a look at the conf

<yann2> ping smurf

<yann2> twilight > so basically, you need a locobot which speaks italian and who doesn't log anything, and that's it?

<twilight> yann2: yes

<twilight> yann2: I don't think that a merge between locobot and ubot-it is a good thing, because we can't do anything for the bot without annoying you ... :) but I've understood the reasons of your propose...so.... i don't know :)

<twilight> mmh yann2 I have to go...i've only about other ~5 minutes. We have to wait smurf?Do you want some time to "study" the situation?other? :)

<twilight> ok, my time is over :) 'night

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