<etank> sup

<Vorian> hey etank!

<etank> hows it going

<Vorian> ah, just trying to settle down

<Vorian> been a long day :)

<etank> i understand that

*** alefteris_ is now known as alefteris

<etank> Vorian: how tough is the ubuntu membership approval process?

<etank> since you've been there done that recently

<Vorian> depends I guess

<Vorian> I have only seen one person be turned down over the past 3 or 4 months

<etank> i put my name on the list and im wondering how nervous i should get

<Vorian> hey brb

<Vorian> etank, my wife is giving me the evil eye

<Vorian> I'll be back later :)

<etank> thats not good

<etank> later

<etank> jono has there been more discussion on non-approved teams getting a sub-domain pointed to their wiki?

<jono> etank: indeed

<jono> nothing confirmed yet, but should be next week

<etank> cool

<etank> did you get my email?

<yann2> ping jono

<jono> yann2: pong

<jono> etank: which mail?

<etank> jono: it was about the kentucky loco team. it would have been sent from ericlake@gmail.com.

<jono> etank: I thought I replied?

<etank> jono: i didn't get one.

<jono> etank: will check on Monday

<etank> works for me

<yann2> jono > do you know now if you might attend the ubuntu party @ paris? we got a meeting the 15th to set up the date :)

<jono> yann2: let me know a date and I will let you know

<jono> yann2: I need a solid date before I can commit

<yann2> jono > it may be the 12th or th 19th, and your presence may count in the final choice :)

<jono> which month again?

<yann2> may

<yann2> (yeah couldn't get the room earlier :s)

<jono> let me check

<jono> can't do the 12th

<jono> I will be in Spain

<jono> but the 19th is free for me right now

<jono> I would need to check if I can get funding

<jono> how many people do you expect?

<yann2> jono > i'd say > 200

<yann2> maybe 300

<jono> yann2: righteo

<yann2> hard to say :)

<jono> and how much work is going into promoting the event?

<jono> yann2: I am putting you down in my diary for the 19th, but I cannot 100% confirm yet - I will need to see if I get the go ahead

<yann2> will be discussed the 15th :)

<yann2> ok

<jono> so consider this a tentative confirmation for the 19th May

<yann2> ok

<jono> but I will need to double check

<jono> :)

<jono> would be great to get over

<yann2> i'll let you know the date which will be chosen ;)

<Vorian> hey hey everyone :)

<etank> wb Vorian

<jono> yann2: cool stuff

<Vorian> hey etank :)

<etank> no more evil eye?

<Vorian> nope, kids are asleep =)

<etank> lucky

<Vorian> she has them trained very well :)

<etank> my wife went to go help with an inventory and I am here to get the kids to bed

<etank> does she give lessons?

<Vorian> an inventory, as in a physical inventory for a retail establishment?

<etank> yep

<Vorian> which retailer?

<etank> Lifeway Christian store in Lexington

<etank> her mom works there and she helps them every year

<Vorian> nice

<etank> she gets to get out of the house and make a little money at the same time

<etank> its a win win

<Vorian> sure, and inventories are a blast!

<etank> she seems to like doing them

<beuno> jono, you still around?

<FunnyLookinHat> jono, ping?

<jono> hey

<FunnyLookinHat> Hey, quick question for ya.

<jono> ok

<jono> :)

<FunnyLookinHat> We're trying to line up our attendence at a Technology in Education conference this summer in Colorado (US)

<FunnyLookinHat> And we're trying to get them to give us a free booth spot seeing as how we're a volunteer organization

<FunnyLookinHat> But if we cannot, is there any funding available from Canonical to pursue an event like this?

<FunnyLookinHat> I figured there wasn't, but I thought it was worth a try...

* Vorian listens intently...

<Vorian> :)

<FunnyLookinHat> shh! special treatment for Joey Stanford's old team!! ; )

<Vorian> :(

* FunnyLookinHat wonders where jono went... ; )

<Vorian> hehe

<Vorian> I was thinking he pm'd you after my comment :)

* elkbuntu puts a fiver on qwerty syndrome

<elkbuntu> it is 2.30 am for him

<jono> FunnyLookinHat: send me a proposal of what you need

<FunnyLookinHat> jono, email address is ? jono [a t] ubuntu ?

<jono> FunnyLookinHat: yep, and it doesnt take much google juice to find it ;)

<FunnyLookinHat> hahaha, ok. Thanks I'll send it on over to you

<FunnyLookinHat> Have a good night!

<elkbuntu> hey, does anyone know if esr has reared his ugly head in the ubuntusphere yet?

<jono> :)

* elkbuntu pings everyone

<elkbuntu> meeeeting time

<elkbuntu> nixternal, jenda, atoponce?

<mdke> elkbuntu: esr has appeared in -motu and -doc a bit I believe

<elkbuntu> mdke, mailing lists or channels?

<mdke> the latter, maybe the former

<effie_jayx> pochu, sup dude

<pochu> heya effie_jayx :)

<effie_jayx> jenda, ping

<markvandenborre> hi all!

<Vorian> hey markvandenborre :)

<markvandenborre> does anyone know if there has already been a request for auto generated localised ubuntu isos?

<markvandenborre> I mean the scenario where Canonical would auto generate localised isos for each language

<markvandenborre> elkbuntu, ?

<markvandenborre> yann2, ?

<markvandenborre> or Vorian ?

<yann2> ?

<yann2> mark? :)

<yann2> yeah, i did, and the answer was, no :)

<markvandenborre> yann2, and what was the reason given?

<markvandenborre> whom did you contact...

<markvandenborre> just being curious here, but I'd like to gather a bit of information around this, then bundle requests from different locoteams

<yann2> too expensive too send out localized cds

<markvandenborre> I'm not talking about that

<markvandenborre> so you asked for localised cd's through shipit?

<markvandenborre> I'm just talking iso's

<markvandenborre> and not even bandwidth

<markvandenborre> (well, except for the initial master, that is)

<markvandenborre> yann2, would you support a request for auto generated localised iso's, with i18n and l10n and stuff?

<nejode> localizad iso's would be nice

<markvandenborre> nejode, which locoteam are youN

<markvandenborre> ?

<nejode> venezuela

<markvandenborre> ah... nice to know...

<markvandenborre> could you tell me why you would appreciate this?

<markvandenborre> (or mail this info to me at mvdborre@gmail.com?)

<nejode> because it would take less to install

<nejode> in an install-fest it would save a lot of bandwith

<markvandenborre> good point

<nejode> if you have 15 or 20 simultaneos installs downloading i18's and stuf

<yann2> markvandenborre >oh, isos.

<yann2> mmmh.

<yann2> yeah. :)

<markvandenborre> JanC, do you have any background on this?

<markvandenborre> localised iso's and Canonical's position on them?

<nejode> markvandenborre: I was thinking this could work, at least in the meantime> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=37

<markvandenborre> nejode, I'd like to see if we can make Canonical do the technical work first

<markvandenborre> and have us be testers

<markvandenborre> well, Canonical, or specialists outside Canonical

<JanC> markvandenborre: localised ISO's often also involves extra packages etc.

<markvandenborre> I know of the Belgian eid packages as one example

<markvandenborre> any other examples?

<markvandenborre> JanC, that you can think of?

<markvandenborre> things like isdn modems in Germany for example you mean?

<JanC> local fonts & input systems

<nejode> janC: when we install in spanish, it downloads 7 packages

<markvandenborre> ok, but these are in l10n, i18n and stuff right?

<JanC> modems might be another example

<markvandenborre> it might be nice to have a metapackage to handle that

<markvandenborre> or whatever

<JanC> markvandenborre: not all fonts & input systems are on the ubuntu desktop live/install cd AFAIK

<markvandenborre> they shouldn't, either...

<markvandenborre> I'd just like to see lean and mean localised cd's without too much locoteam effort

<JanC> I still have to set up a customisation environment, but AFAIK it's not really that much work

<nejode> we could install in half-spanish, but we like to make things easier for first-timers

<markvandenborre> JanC, I wouldn't want to print an untested image

<markvandenborre> we should ask the Ubuntu developers first,

<markvandenborre> then if we can't convince them to do the dev work, we might want to look into customising ourselves...

<markvandenborre> that way, they at least clearly know the question

<markvandenborre> which looks like the first step to me

<JanC> the ubuntu live CD is made in such a way that it's rather easy to customize it

<JanC> a

<nejode> for latin america it would be pretty easy... you only need spanish and portuguese

<markvandenborre> and probably for some exotic local hardware

<nejode> very different to europe or asia

<JanC> nejode: you forget german an several native languages :)

<markvandenborre> and Dutch, nejode

<markvandenborre> and French

<JanC> right, and sort-of-Dutch & -French

<markvandenborre> not to mention Creole

<JanC> and English maybe?

<markvandenborre> "Everybody knows Jamaica 's got no team"

<nejode> papiamemto: aruba and curaÇao

<JanC> so "Latin America" is quite diverse, with at least a couple of dozens of written languages :)

<markvandenborre> heheh

<markvandenborre> Quechua

<nejode> ok, but remember, there's almost 300 million spanish speakers

<nejode> and you have to go one step at a time

<JanC> :)

<nejode> and usually, let's say native quechua speakers, speak spanish too

<nejode> and in aruba, people usually speak: dutch, english, spanish and papiamento

<markvandenborre> nejode, don't underestimate the sensitivities attached to the use of a specific language in many communities!

<nejode> of course, but think how difficult it would be to implement this for all languages at the same time

<markvandenborre> it's basicly about some infrastructure work, presumably

<markvandenborre> I have no good idea about the infrastructure work required, but I feel like I should ask the question

<JanC> nejode: what I mean is that you shouldn't call a "latin american" CD with only spanish :)

<markvandenborre> before our locoteam people start working on something that is not reusable

<markvandenborre> or only reusable in a limited fashion

<markvandenborre> in future releases or other locoteams

<nejode> janC: maybe you got me wrong, with spanish and portuguese you would cover about 400+ million

<JanC> markvandenborre: there already is some software that makes customizations easy

<JanC> nejode: true, but calling that the "latin american CD" might offend people

<JanC> but maybe we are a bit touchy about such issues because of regular language problems in Belgium ;-)

<nejode> maybe there's a diference: latin america and south america

<JanC> at least French is a latin language too :)

<nejode> The thing is, I think it's tough to put out 200+ localizad iso's at the same time

<nejode> and, if you come to think about it, english has always come out first, the rest just follows

<JanC> the current ISOs are multi-language

<JanC> actually, I think Spanish is included?

<nejode> only half way

<nejode> the

<JanC> no OOo translations maybe?

<nejode> dvd does come complete though

<nejode> but not everybody over here has

<nejode> dvd

<nejode> well, see you later, I hope this could be done... bye

<arualavi> hi all, somebody know where are the bots like ubotu and ubugtu hosted ?

<arualavi> a member of our locoteam developed a bot that we have at #ubuntu-cat.

<RainCT> arualavi: hola

<arualavi> hi RainCT

<RainCT> wow there's really a lot of activity here :p

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