<Phlosten> morning all

<purserj> morning

<quail> morning all

<quail> here is a barcamp adelaide video on youtube >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmIfeF5Dxs

<lisapc> hello

<lisapc> i just installed Kubuntu. But it didnt connect me to Optusnet broadband. How can I get it to use my ethernet broadband connection?

<Phlosten> edgy or feisty?

<lisapc> hmm

<lisapc> it says Kubuntu 6.10

<lisapc> is that edgy?

<Phlosten> edgy then

<lisapc> ah ok :)

<Phlosten> livin on da edge!

<lisapc> im not getting any dsl connection

<lisapc> any solution?

<Phlosten> by default the networking is setup to use DHCP

<Phlosten> are you using wireless?

<lisapc> Phlosten is this the way? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE

<lisapc> Phlosten shall I follow those steps on that website?

<Phlosten> no

<Phlosten> what is the modem ?

<lisapc> optus sent me

<lisapc> siemens 4200

<lisapc> why not follow those steps?

<lisapc> what i need to do then?

<lisapc> its alredy setp up and working in Vista

* purserj bops out to Wierd Al - Pretty Fly For A Rabbi

<lisapc> Phlosten u here?

<Phlosten> lisapc, same modem i use for bigpond, i dont have any need to use the instructions on that website

<lisapc> Phlosten ok great

<lisapc> can u tell me what I need do

<Phlosten> lisapc, can you ping your modem?

<lisapc> Phlosten im talking to you from MS windows right now. I cant use ubuntu as it doesnt connect to internet

<Phlosten> ah, okies

<lisapc> i need to write down your steps and then reboot into kubuntu

<Phlosten> lisapc, get some information while you are in windows

<Phlosten> lisapc, do you know the ip address of your modem?

<lisapc> Phlosten LOL

<lisapc> Phlosten u mean for config menu? its 10.1.1.1

<Phlosten> groovy

<lisapc> Phlosten are u going to help me? or you not?

<lisapc> :)

<Phlosten> first thing to do from kubuntu is try and ping that address, 'ping 10.1.1.1' from terminal

<lisapc> and then?

<lisapc> im writing this down

<Phlosten> if you get nothing then you need to look at the network card and settings in your computer

<lisapc> how?

<kingkarlos> Phlosten, Does the modem support wireless as well?

<Phlosten> kingkarlos, these aint wireless modems

<kingkarlos> Phlosten, Cool.

<Phlosten> lisapc, in terminal run 'ifconfig'

<lisapc> Phlosten and then?

* lisapc is writing it

<Phlosten> lisapc, that will spit out the setting for your network interfaces

<lisapc> Phlosten 1. ping 10.1.1.1 and if that doesnt work. 2. sudo ifconfig

<lisapc> right?

<Phlosten> dont need sudo

<lisapc> ok

<lisapc> Phlosten 1. ping 10.1.1.1 and if that doesnt work. 2. ifconfig

<lisapc> and then?

<Phlosten> ifconfig should include something like this: 'inet addr:10.0.0.1 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0'

<Phlosten> it will return a lot of lines of information, but look for that line

<lisapc> which line?

<lisapc> 'inet addr:10.0.0.1 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0' <-- all this?

<Phlosten> yeah

<lisapc> and then what I do?

<Phlosten> the 10.0.0.1 bit may be different

<Phlosten> one sec, just checking something

<lisapc> ok

<lisapc> Phlosten and what I do then?

<lisapc> Phlosten hello?

<Phlosten> if you dont have the 10.0.0.1 etc address then it means your networking is not setup

<lisapc> ok

<lisapc> and what then?

<Phlosten> you can either set it up from the terminal or from GUI

<lisapc> what I type?

<Phlosten> actually, prob best to make sure the modules for your network card are actually loaded

<lisapc> how?

<Phlosten> 'dmesg | grep eth'

<kingkarlos> lisapc, What brand is the computer?

<lisapc> kingkarlos does that matter?

<lisapc> Phlosten and then what do I do?

<Phlosten> lisapc, hopefully that should give you a few lines that look like '[17179591.976000] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe095ef00, 00:0e:2e:0d:9e:a8, IRQ 16'

<lisapc> Phlosten what am i supposed to do with that?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, It will detirmine what network card is running in it. Start from the basics then. Is it a desktop or laptop or other?

<lisapc> kingkarlos asus notebook

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Model?

<Phlosten> in my particular case that means my Network card is a RealTek RTL8139 and it has been assigned eth0 as a device name

<lisapc> kingkarlos f3jc

<lisapc> Phlosten you make this hard to follow

<lisapc> Phlosten making no sense at all for a beginner

<kingkarlos> lisapc, That line that Phlosten asked you to look for would tell us if your lptop have loaded the driver for the network card or not

<Phlosten> hmm

<lisapc> kingkarlos ok but sorry, im new to that

<lisapc> very confusing because he says one thing, then leaves for 10mins

<lisapc> and then comes back, says another little thing,leaves for 5mins

<lisapc> kingkarlos can u help seeing you are here?

<Phlosten> wow, impatient you are

<lisapc> Phlosten not at all, but you are not very helpful

<Phlosten> bah

<lisapc> Phlosten i rather not receive any help from you. sorry

<Phlosten> ok, fine

<lisapc> thank you

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Go boot into ubuntu again and tell what the output of those commands are.

<lisapc> kingkarlos ok! but someone in kubuntu told me to do this:

<kingkarlos> lisapc, See ya

<lisapc> kingkarlos can I show you?

<kingkarlos> Quickly.

<lisapc> sudo pppoeconf

<kingkarlos> You done yet?

<lisapc> 1.

<lisapc> Confirm that your Ethernet card is detected.

<lisapc> 2.

<lisapc> Enter your username(provided by your ISP'Internet Service Provider').

<lisapc> 3.

<lisapc> Enter your password(provided by your ISP).

<kingkarlos> Your taking a long itme

<lisapc> 4.

<lisapc> If you already have a PPPoE Connection configured, you will be asked if it may be modified.

<lisapc> 5.

<lisapc> Popular options: you are asked if you want the 'noauth' and 'defaultroute' options and to remove 'nodetach' - choose "Yes".

<lisapc> 6.

<kingkarlos> Hehe

<Phlosten> dont do that here

<lisapc> Use peer DNS - choose "Yes".

<lisapc> 7.

<lisapc> Limited MSS problem - choose "Yes".

<lisapc> 8.

<lisapc> When you are asked if you want to connect at start up, you will probably want to say yes.

<lisapc> 9.

<lisapc> Finally you are asked if you want to establish the connection immediately.

<lisapc> kingkarlos they told me that wilkl work

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Phlosten already told you not to do that

<lisapc> kingkarlos quuick enough for ya ;) heh

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Dont do it!

<AlexC> does anyone know how to open an IBM personal computer 300gl?

<lisapc> kingkarlos why?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Youve been told

<lisapc> kingkarlos why not?

<lisapc> kingkarlos i not been told the reason

<Phlosten> lisapc, that is flooding, its very rude

<kingkarlos> Because it's not for your type of internet connection

<Phlosten> !pastebin

<ubot3> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<lisapc> kingkarlos im using dsl2+ through Optus, seimens 2400

<lisapc> kingkarlos so should I type those commands and come back and show you?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Yes! Dont do it!!!!!!!!

<lisapc> 4200

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Yes

<lisapc> kingkarlos ok

<lisapc> kingkarlos so I type: 1. ping 10.1.1.1 and if that doesnt work. 2. sudo ifconfig

<lisapc> right?

<kingkarlos> Yes

<AlexC> do you people ever shut-up?

<lisapc> kingkarlos ill brb with the info it gave

<lisapc> brb in 5mins

<kingkarlos> Oh that long

<kingkarlos> Well. Interesting. I wonder how he would have gone in a windows help channel.

<purserj> she I think

<kingkarlos> lol. oh yeah

<Phlosten> heh

<Phlosten> she wants a big button to press that say 'Fix It'

<Phlosten> bbl all

<lisapc> kingkarlos sorry for delay

<lisapc> kingkarlos when I ping http://10.1.1.1 it says unknown host! and the other says inet 127.0.0.1 sumbasm 255.000.....

<lisapc> kingkarlos u there? :)

<lisapc> is there anyone here who has optus dls and got it working in ubuntu or Kubuntu?

<romana> ok, this is kde

<romana> it looks yuk

<merlin-linux> g'day romana

<romana> hey merlin-linux

<romana> ive agreed to try kde for a week

<merlin-linux> romana: how have you been? are you having a good long weekend?

<merlin-linux> romana: is gorilla there?

<romana> oh, well, not bad, thx:)

<romana> back is in rest mode

<merlin-linux> :-)

<romana> no, he was working when i ast spoke to him fri night

<merlin-linux> oh

<romana> how are you?

<merlin-linux> i am good thx

<romana> the fonts in kde are hurting my eyes

<merlin-linux> i still hacking away with my openwrt install

<merlin-linux> i running a micro install of openwrt now

<romana> oh cool:)

<merlin-linux> and the only way i can configure my wireless router is via ssh

<romana> its no good, have to go and change the fonts. will take me a while

<romana> work this silliness out

<romana> i used to use kde so long ago

<merlin-linux> hehe

<romana> it just is feeling so cluttered:(

<lisapc> is there anyone here who has optus dls and got it working in ubuntu or Kubuntu?

<lisapc> dsl

<Davo_Dinkum> optus dls?

<Davo_Dinkum> oh no I don'y

<Davo_Dinkum> *don't

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum how do I connect to internet using Optus Siemens dsl modem?

<lisapc> its already working in MS windows

<kingkarlos> lisapc, I've tried talking to you out of channel. Is your irc client not working properly?

<Davo_Dinkum> lisapc: USB or Ethernet?

<lisapc> kingkarlos u gave me no new ditrection to take

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum ethernet

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum it works great atm on MS wndos, but today I installed Kubuntu

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum but I cant get it to connect to internet

<kingkarlos> Her problem is that the laptop she is using has a realtek 8168 network card

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum any iudeas would be great

<lisapc> kingkarlos it shows my ethernet card

<lisapc> and when I said use IP addy 10.1.1.1 it gave a green tick

<lisapc> but still not able to use internet

<lisapc> what option should I chose in there? assign IP or ?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Well that's a lot more information than you gave me before. I think more to the point. YOU gave me no new information to work with.

<kingkarlos> lisapc, What did it show as the model of the card?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, LO or LoopBack?

<lisapc> kingkarlos no modem that I saw! just says eth0

<Changlinn> lisapc: you shouldn't have pinged http://blah you shoulc have tried just: ping 10.1.1.1

<lisapc> model

<lisapc> let me load it again and come back, wold that be ok?

<Davo_Dinkum> lisapc: Does the modem have a web config?

<lisapc> need ro reboot to uuntu

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum yes

<Changlinn> lisapc: is this optus cable?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, did you try the dmesg line?

<lisapc> Davo_Dinkum but I set that already in MS windows

<Changlinn> or dsl?

<lisapc> ChanServ optus DSL seiemsn ethernet modem

<lisapc> 4200 modem

<lisapc> kingkarlos whats the dmesg line again pls? ill write it down now

<Changlinn> on windows do you have to click anything to get the internet working?

<lisapc> Changlinn no! i just swith on my modem

<kingkarlos> dmesg | grep eth

<lisapc> Changlinn then in 30 secs its connected

<lisapc> kingkarlos ill brb wit the output

<lisapc> brb in 2mins

<Changlinn> then ubuntu should be the same if you network card works.

<Changlinn> and is set to dhcp

<lisapc> Changlinn it gave option of dhcp and somerthinf else

<lisapc> ill write it down and come straight back

<Davo_Dinkum> crappy optus supplied modems

<Davo_Dinkum> Later

<lisapc> hi

<lisapc> sorry for delay! I had to manually write many lines of outpout text

<lisapc> kingkarlos im back with output

<lisapc> Changlinn hi again

<lisapc> where can I paste the output for the command: dmesg | grep eth ?

<kingkarlos> !pastebin

<ubot3> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<lisapc> kingkarlos ok

<tom47> llisapc i did some googling .... one person's work-around is given here ... (using a static vs dhcp-assigned IP) http://www.atheistnetwork.com/viewtopic.php?p=318140&sid=3db471a04c0e6ebdb904dcabc62ee1c4

<lisapc> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9754/

<lisapc> tom47 hello :) is that for Optus dsl and ubuntu?

<tom47> lisapc think it was mandrake but that wont make any differences aother than how you actually set up a static IP

<kingkarlos> tom47, That's a good link.

<lisapc> tom47 they using Optus DSL?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Their using the same modem

<tom47> lisapc the solution is an issue between linux and the device .... optus is not an issue other than as the source of the hardware

<lisapc> ok

<lisapc> someone else told me that they changed from Optus bridging to NAT in the modem config and then it worked! whats diff between NAT and Optus bridge?

<kingkarlos> Ouch! Do optus supply these setup to bridge by default?

<lisapc> kingkarlosi follow the booklet and its set up as Optus Bridge! but I saw an option for NAT there

<lisapc> ehats diff?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Bridging basically set's one of the internal PC's to do the authentication. NAT put's it all back into the routers court.

<lisapc> what happens if I change it from Optus bridge to NAT?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, NAT would be the easiest setup for you

<lisapc> if I change it to NAT, will I stuff up my Optus connection in MS windows at all?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Did you have to put a username and password into the websetup page when setting it up? or into vista?

<lisapc> kingkarlos I placed username and password into the modems config already and saved it

<lisapc> kingkarlos now all I do is daily turn on modem and it connects

<kingkarlos> Will it connect without a computer connected to it?

<lisapc> kingkarlos i ran the modems config entering 10.1.1.1 into firefoc url bar

<lisapc> it ran a modems setup page

<lisapc> kingkarlos yes

<kingkarlos> Ok. Do the same again using NAT instead of bridging then.

<lisapc> kingkarlos if i turn on modem without Vista loaded, it connects

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Good start.

<lisapc> kingkarlos so the same thing?

<lisapc> <kingkarlos> Ok. Do the same again using NAT instead of bridging then. <- what same thing?

<lisapc> kingkarlos i dont want to enter username etc again as it may stuff evetrything up

<lisapc> will changing it to NAT still connect it ok to Optus?

<lisapc> ill try the steps at that websoite tom47 gave

<lisapc> kingkarlos ill brb

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Ok. I dont own one of these modems specifically. So i'm not authoritive on your particular setup. But there should be an option to change your modem from using Bridge to NAT on it's setup page

<kingkarlos> lisapc, It should still connect in Vista

<lisapc> so its safe to change it to NAT?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, I would say that NAT is prefered in most situations, and is safer than bridging.

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Give it a go. You can always change it back to bridging.

<lisapc> kingkarlos ok

<lisapc> ill try that now

<kingkarlos> lisapc, Try it and see if you can still use the internet in vista.

<lisappc> kingkarlos ok its now at NAPT

<lisappc> kingkarlos sjhall I try now to load Ubuntu?

<kingkarlos> lisapc, NAT or NAPT?

<lisappc> it didnt have NAT

<lisappc> i think it said NAPT

<lisappc> whats NATP?

<kingkarlos> hehe. not really sure.

<kingkarlos> but you still here and talking

<lisappc> im writing down what I need to do from that website

<tom47> NAPT is network address PORT translation ... never heard of it before

<lisappc> tom47 i changed from Optus Beridge to NAPT. is that safe?

<tom47> lisappc see last comment

<kingkarlos> lisapc, try the instructions from that website.

<kingkarlos> i'm off for lunch. C ya all

<tom47> lisappc just for now, simply try one change at a time .... so try in lux with the NAPT change before adding something else to it

<tom47> lux=linux*

<lisappc> tom47

<lisappc> ok

<lisappc> ill boot into ubuntu now

<lisappc> ill come back

<tom47> k

<lisappc> tom47 u be here for 10mins?

<lisappc> till i return?

<tom47> more than likely :)

<lisappc> ok

<lisappc> :)

<lisapc> any1 here?

<siccness> :)

<tom47> hi

<lisapc> tom47, hello :)

<lisapc> u wont believe this

<lisapc> after 8 hours of resrach and asking here

<lisapc> i finally got Ubuntu to connect to my Optus DSL

<lisapc> all i needed to do was ONE SMALL thing :P

<tom47> there ya go !!!

<lisapc> wish somone had have known

<tom47> usually the way

<lisapc> 8 hours ago

<lisapc> yeah

<lisapc> but now I have something to contribute

<lisapc> if anyone asks the same thing

<tom47> yes you do indeed

<lisapc> tom47, if anyone wants to connect to optus DSL point them to me :)

<tom47> and all this collective knowledge is what our power comprises

<tom47> hehehheeh

<lisapc> tom47, im running Kbuntu but just installed gnome-desktop

<tom47> lisapc now all you did was the NAPT???

<lisapc> willl it clash woith kde?

<lisapc> tom47, no

<lisapc> i had to change ethernet confiuration to use 10.1.1.1 as GATEWAY in the advanced options

<lisapc> tom47, just chaging to NAPT didnt work

<tom47> ah ok

<lisapc> simple as that

<tom47> no i suspected that .... NAPT is unknown quantity for me

<lisapc> GATEWAY field was the key

<tom47> v good

<lisapc> shall i keep it as NAPT or change back to Optus Bridge?

<lisapc> im still not sure how they differ

<tom47> lisapc i would try it as Optus Bridge myself if i were you ... easy enough to swap back

<lisapc> tom47, why?

<tom47> its what optus recommend

<lisapc> can NAPT do damage?

<tom47> and if you ever need to ring the help desk its likely to cause confusion unless you have to have it

<lisapc> can NAPT do damage?

<lisapc> to my modem or pc?

<tom47> lisapc not to my knowledge .... the reason that inclines me to suggest you try it is because it seems unnecessary to be different unless you have to

<lisapc> tom47, yeah but im not 100% sure if that also needs to be NAPT for ubuntu to work

<lisapc> all i know is that i changed to NAPT before changing Gatway

<tom47> give it a try .... if it fails switch back :)

<lisapc> mayne NAPT and gatway needed to be changed

<tom47> yes i usually say only do one thing at a time

<lisapc> if its not broken, dont fix it :)

<lisapc> ill call the optus support and ask them if it hurts if its on NAPT

<lisapc> ill tell them I need it for linux to work

<lisapc> how can I now reboot to Gnome?

<tom47> well that is maybe not true and so no you should try it first

<lisapc> tom47, ill try it to go back to optus ridge

<tom47> the situation is that we dont know what was esssential

<lisapc> and it ubuntu doesnt work

<lisapc> then I know its needed too

<tom47> see the problems you have when you do two things together ... you then have to sort out which one did it or if bth are needed if you are to be a reliable help for others :)

<realist> lisapc: what type of DSL modem is it? Brand / Model?

<lisapc> true

<lisapc> realist, hello

<lisapc> its optus siemens 4200

<lisapc> realist, i changed it from Optus bridge to NAPT

<lisapc> realist, whats the differnece anyway?

<realist> They're just different network configurations

<tom47> !NAPT

<ubot3> Factoid napt not found

<lisapc> realist, i finally got ubuntu to work with optus DSL. but 2 things I changed, Gatway config and modem config to NAPT

<realist> Bridge mode, generally joins two network segments together

<lisapc> realist, what shall I do?

<lisapc> im worried if I change it back ubuntu stops working

<realist> Where NAT/NAPT is used on routers (which seperate networks)

<realist> I presume your modem's IP = 10.1.1.1?

<lisapc> yes

<tom47> realist what is the difference between NAT and NAPT?

<lisapc> i set gatway as 10.1.1.1

<realist> What's your ubuntu boxes IP?

<lisapc> realist, ubuntu wooldnt connect to net. so I changed gateway to 10.1.1.1 and changed to NAPT

<lisapc> realist, what?

<lisapc> tom47, how can I now reboot to Gnome? ctrl+ Esc?

<realist> Did you set it manually, or are you using DHCP?

<lisapc> my boxes IP?

<tom47> lisapc sort out one issue at a time please

<lisapc> realist, its using DHCP

<realist> lisapc: better to logout (ctrl+esc is a rather violent way to halt your session)

<lisapc> realist, it says Protocl dhcp

<realist> lisapc: in that case, if it aint broken, don't fix it ;-)

<lisapc> realist, a proper reboot you mean?

<realist> lisapc: no, just logout

<lisapc> realist, will it hurt my modem or PC any way using NAPT instead of Optus Bridge?

<lisapc> or is it less secure?

<realist> It may be less secure, in the fact, that your PC will get its DHCP lease from the ISP, rather than your modem

<realist> i.e. it will have a public IP, as opposed to a private IP

<lisapc> realist, ok ill change it back

<lisapc> but if ubuntu doesnt load, what can I do?

<realist> I would've recommended they leave their current configuation *shrug*

<tom47> realist she should have left it as bridge in the first place and just tried the gateway change in isolation ....

<tom47> the reason i say this is because thats the way her isp expects the router to be

<realist> tom47: well, the router/modem should be broadcasting the gateway in it's DHCP lease

<tom47> if it wont work that way then fine change it

<realist> Well, it'll work fine in either configuration, until you decide to place a switch behind it

<tom47> yes it should ... the prob is two chnages were made and we dont really know which one or if both were needed

<tom47> esp when it was a third choice she was being recommended to make

<tom47> and if she calls into optus help, and if she did not need to make it NAPT, and is she says it was required tomkae it work in linux (which will totally throw them .... see my thinking?

<realist> Well, in bridge mode, they'll probably need a different gateway address

<realist> Of course I do

<realist> I'm not actually disagreeing with your logic at all :-)

<tom47> no ...... me neither lol

<tom47> with you

<tom47> i was actually trying to get across a different message with her (as she seems to be a total linux newbie) in terms of one step at a time slolwy lsowly catchee right monkee

<realist> I've probably just confused them, then :-/

<tom47> its ok ..... she has a tendancy to ask qustions until someone agrees with her :D

<purserj> over and over and over again

<realist> In that case, I'll just give Yes/No responses in future ;-)

<Phlosten> heh

<tom47> realist to be honest i don't really know what NAPT really does ... NAT is fairly straightforward

<lisapc> u here?

<lisapc> realist, u???

<tom47> lisapc what do you have to report?

<lisapc> realist, ubuntu wont run unless NAPT is chosen

<lisapc> and i rang Optus tech

<tom47> ah ok then

<lisapc> the guy was cluey about this

<lisapc> he said its actually more secure to chose NAPT

<tom47> oh excellent!!!

<realist> lisapc: that's what I was trying to tell you

<lisapc> as it uses a pool of IP address in the modem

<lisapc> more secure

<lisapc> realist, no, you said it may be less scure

<realist> I said bridge mode is less secure

<lisapc> optus tech guy said to use NAPT is ok and he uses it himseld

<lisapc> realist, sorry

<lisapc> i misunderstood you

<lisapc> realist, anyway! ubuntu wont run unless its ok

<lisapc> on

<lisapc> if I load gnome now , do I need to set this config up again?

<tom47> lisapc does it run ok in windows as it is?

<realist> Well, there is a way to get it working, but that's another story

<lisapc> tom47, yep

<tom47> ok v good

<lisapc> realist, its working now ok

<realist> Like I said before, if it aint broke, don't fix it ;-)

<lisapc> im sticking eith NAPT as its more secure anyway

<lisapc> realist, i said that inisyally

<lisapc> byut u talked me into going back to Optus bridge :P

<lisapc> if I load gnome now , do I need to set this config up again?

<realist> I was trying to talk you out of going back to bridge mode

* realist laughs

<lisapc> realist, WHAT?

<lisapc> nou werent :P

<tom47> * giggles

<lisapc> u said best to go to bride in cas I ever ring support etc :P

<realist> That was tom47

<tom47> lisapc that was me

<lisapc> realist, you naugthy :)

<lisapc> tom47, really?

* lisapc laughs

<lisapc> sorry :)

<lisapc> im confused

<realist> Which is a good idea, since technically, any other configuration is "officially unsupported"

<tom47> oh

<lisapc> can I load Gnome now?

<lisapc> will it work through Gnome?

<realist> You just got lucky, and a tech with half a clue answered ;p

<lisapc> realist, true! i asked to speak to his supervisor and said im impressed with the tech guy :P

<tom47> very lucky i would say ..... you do get them but usually mention linux and they can't stop helping you quickly enough

<lisapc> he said thanks as he only gets abuse :P

<lisapc> will it work through Gnome?

<lisapc> ill try gnome now

<lisapc> brb

<realist> lisapc: don't see why not

<tom47> roflmao

<realist> We should teach this one to use screen/irssi

<realist> There are more and more techs embracing linux these days

<realist> So if you mention linux/unix, they're inclined to think you're less of an idiot

<lisapc> ok

<lisapc> gnome works

<lisapc> im getting a popup message though

<tom47> yes i came across a guy at iinet that was delighted to try out newfound skills and the funny thing was he said that unless he learned linux his future there was limited to the helpdesk

<lisapc> Netowekr Connection: Lo

<lisapc> whts that mean?

<realist> Loopback interface

<realist> No idea what it means, without any context

<lisapc> i can change it from Lo to eth0

<lisapc> whats lo?

<lisapc> should I change it to eth0?

<realist> tom47: our iinet connection at work was dying once, and rather than going through the basic isolation tests (which I'd already done), he actually referred me to a new linux tool, which I've found quite handy

<realist> mtr

<realist> lisapc: lo = loopback interface

<tom47> ah v good ... what was it?

<realist> tom47: mtr

<tom47> oh sorry

<realist> it's a combination of traceroute, and ping

<tom47> ah yes it looks interesting

<realist> The first tech I spoke to was hopeless, and was no help at all

<tom47> i am rapt with iinet compared to the other isps i have been using in the past

<realist> The linux guy was the second tech I spoke to, who was actually willing to concede the error was at their end

<tom47> ah ok

<realist> Turned out to be a routing issue

<realist> It's usually that, or something telstra has screwed up :p

<tom47> i keep having problems logging back into the telstra connection after a power outage or similar

<realist> lisapc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopback_address for a better explaination

<tom47> ie to the local exchange

<lisapc> realist, ty

<lisapc> i have a notebook with a Nvidia Go 7300 video card. How can I get Ubuntu to use this please?

<tom47> heheh like the one about the hacker attacking 127.0.0.1

<realist> lisapc: depends, are you concerned about using non-free (i.e. non open sourced) software?

<realist> tom47: some hacker ;p

<tom47> mtr is very interesting

<lisapc> is there a file manager for ubuntu?

<realist> file manager?

<tom47> nautilus is the file browser

<realist> nautilus (should be part of ubuntu-desktop meta package)

<tom47> in gnome

<tom47> in kde i understand you use konqueror

<lisapc> yep its great

<lisapc> looks good

<cafuego_> you use whatever you want in either

<realist> I haven't seen KDE since the dark ages

<lisapc> brb

<lisapc> when I play mpeg files using mplayer, the files play! but when i play WMV files, i hear sound but no video! any advice? pls?

<lisapc> tom47, any ideas?

<realist> Perhaps you need to install the restricted codecs

<lisapc> well

<lisapc> vlc plays it

<lisapc> but mplayer only plays sound

<lisapc> weird

<realist> Does it give any error output?

<lisapc> realist, no

<lisapc> realist, but VLC plays them fine

<lisapc> realist, seems mplayer can play my mpg files but not the wmv files

<realist> mwv != mpg

<realist> s/mwv/wmv

<lisapc> should I have backports enabled?

<lisapc> realist, do I type apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade?

<realist> Not unless you _need_ to

<lisapc> realist, how can I remove backports?

<realist> Remove them from sources.list I suppose

<lisapc> realist, ah ok

<realist> Although, things may break, if you try rolling back packages

<lisapc> wheres that located?

<realist> I've never tried backports, or rolling back from them

<lisapc> if I remove nbackports from sources, im rolling back?

<realist> Well, I presume backports, are newer versions of packages in the 'official' repo

<lisapc> ok

<lisapc> bye for now

<tom47> thats it .... that damn lisapc was asking the same questions simultaneously in multiple channels

* realist shrugs

<romana> ok, here i am, a few hours into kde test

<romana> its - different

<romana> im so used to gnome

<cafuego_> lisapc is is new nick for what troll from last month, i think

<purserj> tuppa: here's another interesting one, I run mostly off my wireless which is recognised as eth1

<purserj> Because I don't have eth0 plugged in, apps like Evolution, Liferea and so on come up in disconnected mode

<purserj> do you think this would be worth a seperate bug or something as an addon to the current one?

<siccness> so bored :|

<tom47> run around the block

<tom47> .... not the wooden toy block .....

<siccness> ill play Chess :)

<siccness> Mad game

<purserj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/91310

<ubot3> Malone bug 91310 in Ubuntu "Network Applications not picking up network connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]

<Fujitsu> purserj: I just saw that bug appear... Some of the applications check with NetworkManager these days... Are you connections being managed by it?

<purserj> probably, it seems network manager is taking over a lot of things these days

<cafuego_> which is exceedingly irritating when not using X

<purserj> its a PITA when you're using KDE or like configing your stuff yourself

<cafuego_> KDE is a PITA regardless

<Fujitsu> They shouldn't try to use NM if it isn't running. Try killing it off.

<purserj> Yup that works, once again Network Manager proves to be the PITA

<purserj> It seems to be actually stopping the apps connecting unless eth0 is connected

*** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing

<Tatey> http://www.explosm.net/comics/825/

<Fujitsu> purserj: That makes sense. If NM is running, it's more likely than not going to be managing the connections. If you also manage eth1 through it, all is good. Otherwise, turn it off permanently.

<purserj> is NM switched on by default?

<Fujitsu> purserj: As of Feisty.

<adhoc_> evenen all =)

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, are they taking it seriously? i havent noticed a whole lot of chatter about it

<Fujitsu> NM works well in most cases.

<purserj> except with static IPs and multiple adaptors it would seem

<Fujitsu> I've used it for the past year or so with multiple adapters, but I have my IP assigned statically by DHCP.

<purserj> so its DHCP then

<Fujitsu> NM handles static IPs better now, but still not properly.

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, regardless, there's still a number of cases where NM stuffs up what would normally be successful auto networking. several of the regulars to this channel for starts

<Fujitsu> If people file bugs, they might get fixed. Maybe.

* purserj points Fujitsu at the WA Timezone bug, not confidence inducing

<Fujitsu> Yeah, that one was just bad...

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, there are several filed. one open since pre-dapper

<Fujitsu> Ah...

<elkbuntu> actually, once open since 2005

<purserj> yup and that one is still #$%#$%#% wishlist

<Fujitsu> Which?

<elkbuntu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/5364

<ubot3> Malone bug 5364 in Baltix "Can't use static ip address with network-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]

<Fujitsu> It is marked as fixed.

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, that's changed in the past week

<elkbuntu> and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/82335 is finally getting seen to as well

<ubot3> Malone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed]

<elkbuntu> but i've also seen a number of other bug numbers float around

<elkbuntu> purserj, re: timezone. when did you last poke someone?

<Fujitsu> The timezone bug is long fixed.

<elkbuntu> purserj, now is a good time to remind, since the US is messing with their daylight saving periods too

<elkbuntu> aha

<elkbuntu> good

<Fujitsu> elkbuntu: The US stuff is also fixed as of a couple of weeks ago.

<Fujitsu> In fact, the US is in daylight savings as of today.

<Fujitsu> There's a process for doing that sort of thing now, which is good.

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, yes i know that, which means it would be fresh in memory if there was the need

* ThePizzaKing wonders if that's why his brother was complaining that his computer's time was one hour out

<Fujitsu> ThePizzaKing: It doesn't affect VIC.

<ThePizzaKing> Fujitsu, Yeah, but he probably set his timezone wrong or something, and it's Vista, so it could be doing anything

<Fujitsu> Hahaha. Vista.

<siccness> ThePizzaKing: Same thing happened on this vista box

<siccness> 1hr was added for some reason

<elkbuntu> i can proudly say that i have neither updated to ie7 on my single remaining windows install, nor touched vista

<romana> completely offtopic

<romana> but am i the only person in the world who really likes brussel sprouts?

<siccness> Vista's nice

<elkbuntu> romana, yes. yes you are.

<purserj> romana: nope, I love em

<ThePizzaKing> I'll have to add that to my 'Linux is better' arguments

<elkbuntu> romana, actually, my dad and one brother likes them

<romana> yy, a vote for me is a vote for brussel sprouts!

<elkbuntu> i prefer asparagus. same flavor, less bitter

<romana> see, i have five kids who ALL loathe them

<romana> my dad and i like them

<siccness> I prefer peas flooded with gravy

<purserj> elkbuntu: see I hate asparugus

<romana> but everyone i speak to goes URK

<romana> i love asparagus too:)

<elkbuntu> asparagus in garlic butter... mmmmmmm

<romana> oh man

<siccness> chicken in garlic butter!

<elkbuntu> siccness, *anything* in garlic butter ;)

<romana> if i wasnt eating lemony brussel sprouts with butter beans id be hungry:)

<romana> not for chicken

<romana> im a vego:)

<romana> but garlic butter adds soemthing to ANy vege

<elkbuntu> romana, not to mention bread :)

<romana> one of my fresh whomemade part wholemeal loaves, freshly cooked, with homemade garlic butter with loads of fresh parsley in it

<romana> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

<siccness> i prefer just to buy it :P

<Fujitsu> romana: Give me some! Nooooow!

<romana> my kids like the stire bought stuff, i prefer home made

<romana> except for sandwiches, my bread wins

<romana> but they love the foil wrapped garlic bread form shops

* romana dccs fresh garlicy bread to Fujitsu

<siccness> i'd rather home made, but theres a case of effort involved

<romana> bread machine mate

<siccness> got one

<romana> i make so much i have two now

<siccness> takes ages

<siccness> and you know it :P

<romana> ten mins, two loaves of bread happening

<romana> 2 hrs later, yummy

<romana> and house smells so good

<siccness> exactly, 2hrs later you have bread

<romana> so, why rush and compromise taste?

* elkbuntu introduces siccness to the concept of 'planning'

<siccness> because im a growing boy

<romana> thats why i make loaves daily

<Changlinn> growing out?

<romana> so always have fresh yummy bread

<romana> ten mins of a day - takes longer to go to shops!

<siccness> do you make your own mixture

<siccness> ?

<siccness> or buy the mixture?

<romana> mke my own

<Changlinn> missed the a in loaves there romana

<romana> i found the bought ones never worked consistently

<siccness> yeah

<siccness> the packaged mixture sucks

<romana> Changlinn: hehehe ok:)

<Changlinn> heh

<romana> so, i get bred flour

<romana> bread flour

<romana> Changlinn: i blame you for that one

<romana> in bulk

<Changlinn> heh

<romana> and add some plain wholemeal

<romana> good yeast

<Changlinn> we talking homemade bread... interesting idea, but bakers delight stuff is pretty good

<romana> skim milk powder

<romana> salt sugar water and oil

<romana> Changlinn: my dad was form bakers delight fan. now i make his bread too.

<romana> ive got it down to about a $1/kio loaf

<romana> the premixes so expensive as well

<romana> anyway, its bath the smallest two time

<romana> enough domesticity - people, back to linux!

<romana> oh, as a linuxy footnote, kde isnt as bad as i remembered

<romana> now i have it configured

<romana> im not convince di wont go back to gnome at end of the week, but its not too bad atm

<adhoc_> all this talk about newtwork manager, reminds me of a small problem im having on my laptop

<adhoc_> NM has 'miss placed' the wireless adapter.

<adhoc_> after trying to disable all the interfaces from the gnome network manger, NM now can not see any ethernet devices =(

<adhoc_> any ideas?

<merlin-linux> here is a couple barcamp adelaide videos on youtube >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmIfeF5Dxs <<>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mylMfzaM2Jw

<romana> tht happens soemtimes if there is an entry in /etc/network/interfaces

<adhoc_> romana: any entry? or just some entries?

<romana> deleting info in there (besides localhost), and for some reason, rebooting works

<romana> any ethernet entries

<adhoc_> damn ...

<romana> it never fils to irk me

<romana> and it never fails to fix it

<romana> its sodding irksome, why that is, i am yet to know

<adhoc_> BRB then ...

<Fujitsu> romana: That's by design. It presumes if there's something in /etc/network/interfaces that you put it there specifically, so don't want it to mess with the interface.

<romana> oh, its not a bug,its a FEATURE

<romana> did a microsoft developer decide to help with the code?

<Fujitsu> It makes sense!

<romana> umm, from a user perspective, its farking annoying

<romana> see,in dapper, nm isnt installed by defualt

<Fujitsu> No, a normal user configuration won't have stuff in /etc/network/interfaces.

<romana> and network admin is, the gnome thang

<romana> if you use that, it DOES put stuff in interfaces

<romana> so, when you install nm, it doest work, and its up to you to work out WHY

<Fujitsu> But in Feisty, you're not meant to use that. Only if you want static config.

<romana> i have troubleshot so many installs causeof that

<Fujitsu> And NM is there by default.

<romana> sure, fesity

<romana> but not dapper, and lots peple using it in dapper have that issue

<romana> i personally find it irksome

<romana> once everyone fesity, no irks

<purserj> Fujitsu: what is it, that NM has against static IPs?

<Fujitsu> purserj: It is simply that it hasn't been implemented.

<Fujitsu> No idea why.

<purserj> so its not complete then

<romana> but nm is a greta eap fwd

<romana> i use it for vpn - v nice

<romana> odd, feisty has a field for static connections now

<purserj> yeah they added that this week

<romana> i updated today, must have scored that

<purserj> From what I understand its still having issues though

<romana> no need fo rit,so not testing it

<tuppa> it's still b0rk3n

<Fujitsu> purserj: It's been there since January.

<tuppa> the menu option in NM simply launches network-admin

<Fujitsu> purserj: The issue is that NM doesn't see any active interfaces, 'cause it doesn't manage statically-configured ones.

<Fujitsu> tuppa: That's the point of it...

<tuppa> and when you set a static IP with network-admin, NM goes into offline mode

<tuppa> and that puts gaim, liferea, and epiphany into offline mode as well

<tuppa> :p

<romana> oh, annoying

<tuppa> despite the interface is in static IP mode, and I can ssh to other hosts

<Fujitsu> That's bug #82335

<ubot3> Malone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82335

<siccness> Cold Chisel!

* romana puts a lighter up in channel, BARNSEY

<siccness> heheh :)

<purserj> yay barnsey, you tax dodging scot you

<siccness> gotta love the tax frauds!

<purserj> Wasn't the group he started after chisel?

<siccness> eh?

<purserj> never mind

<siccness> Ohhh

<siccness> I getcha

<siccness> heh

<merlin-linux> siccness: you see the other Open Source META vid

<siccness> Nope?

<merlin-linux> http://www.youtube.com/QuailLinux

<merlin-linux> and i used kino to add the backing music

<siccness> Nice

<siccness> that background music was pimp

<merlin-linux> thanks

<merlin-linux> and the backing music is CC

<siccness> CC?

<merlin-linux> creative commons

<siccness> ah

<merlin-linux> youtube does not accept ogg files

<merlin-linux> i first created an ogg and it gave me invalid file type after upload, so i had to redo it and make an mpeg

<siccness> heh

<pschulz01> Watch me fall off!!

<pschulz01> Anyone here using tinydns/djbdns ?

* TheMuso uses dnsmasq

<pschulz01> Is that similar?

<pschulz01> in the same package?

<TheMuso> I dunno

<purserj> I use bind

<pschulz01> purserj: I an using bind at the moment, but I have heard some really good things about tinydns and friends. Apparently the license isn't 'free' though...

<purserj> hmm djbdns was written by the same guy who wrote qmail if I remember correctly

* TheMuso shudders

<purserj> yeah that was my reaction

<Davo_Dinkum> Hmm. What's "On w/ MBA" in relation to the built-in NIC?

<Davo_Dinkum> In the BIOS options.

<siccness> Boot Agent

<Davo_Dinkum> and the M?

<siccness> Managed Boot Agent

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh sweet now it turns up in the Boot sequence

<Tatey> fella's

<purserj> maybe

<siccness> Tataz

<siccness> Tatey: Love the business cards

<Tatey> hi siccness

<Tatey> thanks ^_^

<siccness> Any business so far?

<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: Business cards? Show us.

<Tatey> sure

<Tatey> http://tatey.com/2007/02/28/business-cards-are-in/

<Davo_Dinkum> Still love the evil lime ;)

<Tatey> haha, thanks. Me too :)

<siccness> How many cards did you get?

<Tatey> 500

<siccness> Holy crap

<siccness> I bet you got a nice discount with your mate working there

<Tatey> that's sort of the minimum quantity you can order

<Tatey> yea, I did :)

<Tatey> I got the package for about half price

<purserj> hmm okay anyone played with any FOSS Groupware apps?

<siccness> 1000 for $125, you got 500, so $125 / 2 = $62.50, but you got half price, so around $31!

<Tatey> hardly

<Davo_Dinkum> Stupid dell "Please plug your USB KB and mouse into the back of the PC"

<Tatey> siccness: I actually paid $108 in total

<Tatey> they're *very* high quality cards

<siccness> You won't be able to give professional quotes on the back of your card tho :P

<Tatey> that's a valid point that was raised

<Tatey> the thing is, the type of business I manage is not a "quick" quote business

<siccness> No I agree with you

<Tatey> yea

<Tatey> I thought long and hard about it

<siccness> There's not enough room on the back of a business card to give a quote for what you do anyway

<Tatey> yea

<Tatey> I write entire proposals

<siccness> too many varying factors for what the client may wish to choose

<Tatey> because I'm all about presenting customised solutions, not a generic solution tailored to each business

<siccness> yup

<siccness> maybe you can redesign printsmarts site

<purserj> whats the difference between a customised solution and a tailored solution?

<Tatey> purserj: no difference in that context

<Tatey> what I said was a "customised solution" and a "generic solution tailored"

<Tatey> the former is completely built up from scratch, where as the latter assumes a half-hearted solution exists, and sort of making it fit

<purserj> Okay backup, whats the business?

<Tatey> web site design + development, and IT consulting

<Tatey> for small businesses

<Tatey> promoting FOSS solutions

<purserj> Right, so what you're saying is that you'll build them a website from the groundup as opposed to taking something like Drupal or Joomla?

<Tatey> pretty much

<purserj> hmm, okay

<Tatey> well, not exactly

<Tatey> I do use a CMS called "Silverstripe", however, it's completely flexible unlike Joomla and Drupal

<purserj> Because I offer drupal based sites as well as custom devel, and I sell the drupal stuff as community supported

<purserj> I also sell it as something thats easy for the site owner to modify themselves

<Tatey> well no, I was wrong to say Joomla and Drupal aren't flexible, they're a different type of flexible to what I want to do

<purserj> right

<Tatey> purserj: me too

<Tatey> http://silverstripe.com

<purserj> And to be honest, its a major PITA to build from scratch for each small to micro business

<Tatey> purserj: all in all, yes you're right

<Tatey> however, it's apart of my corporate image

<purserj> cool

<Tatey> admittedly, it's only a new endevour for me

<siccness> gotta start somewhere :)

<purserj> Yup, I've been ramping up my own business lately

<Tatey> there are a few drupal/joomla devs who have switched to silverstripe, you should check it out

<siccness> Tatey: How do you plan to communicate with your businesses?

<Tatey> siccness: I communicate with them in person, over the phone and in e-mail

<Tatey> I already have a client

<siccness> Your friends father, correct?

<Tatey> nope

<Tatey> godparents to a wife of an employee in my father's business

<purserj> ah the old who you know ;)

<Tatey> purserj: heh, yea

<Tatey> I've sort of done web sites for a while, just never on a commercial level

<Tatey> I'm all for web standards and accessibility

<Phlosten> howdy all

<siccness> You might have another client soon, Tatey :)

<Tatey> in addition, I also plan to sell consulting services, such as network attached storage, VoIP PBX solutions

<Tatey> that'd be awesome siccness ^_^

<siccness> Yeah, old man needs a site done

<Tatey> I think purserj and I will have to put in a tender though ;)

<siccness> I'm just not sure if I have the time to whip something up

<Tatey> sure you do, you know XHTML/CSS

<siccness> Yeah, but the time isn't there at the moment

<siccness> I've been struck down with a case of glaring at IRC :P

<Tatey> I have the same problem

<purserj> siccness: what does your old man do?

<siccness> Electroplating

<purserj> ah

<Tatey> which is exactly the reason why I want to purcahse a separate design/dev box

<purserj> Tatey: how are you hosting?

<Tatey> purserj: company called Net Logistics, I'm a reseller

<purserj> ah

<Tatey> how about yourself?

<purserj> I'm currently on a reseller account with a mob called nerdvana.net.au

<purserj> However come April I'm going to be moving onto my own box

<Tatey> I'd love to host my own box, I don't have a big enough connection though

<purserj> ah I'm actually going to be leasing a box through nerdvana

<siccness> a mate of mine did that

<Tatey> ahh, sorry, here is me thinking you mean your own box in your home

<siccness> .US box

<siccness> 100MBit

<Tatey> I am silly

<siccness> cost him an arm and a leg tho

<Tatey> siccness: US hosting is cheap in comparrison to Australian hosting. However, for Australian business it's essential for the web site to reside on an Australian server for the reduced latency, and non-reliance on foreign links

<Tatey> in addition, you can get local support that operates on the same hours as we do

<siccness> Yeah

<siccness> This was an ftpd box really

<Tatey> stability and reliable are of the upmost importance

<Tatey> yea

<siccness> server to server transferring

<siccness> very little uploading

<Tatey> that's why tatey.com resides on a US server

<Tatey> it doesn't matter if it dies, it's cheap hosting

<siccness> heap of downloading

<purserj> Tatey: given the cost of bandwidth in Aus, though I'd love to be hosting from home, not really an option

<siccness> Heh

<purserj> I've also got domain name reselling setup at domains.k-sit.com

<purserj> I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to offer once we move to the box apart from straight hosting

<Tatey> you could resell domains through another company?

<purserj> Tatey: as in setup a full domain name site?

<Tatey> probably not

<siccness> anyone here know if its possibly to bi-pass rapidshares time constraint?

<Phlosten> can anyone else get to sourceforge.net?

<Tatey> SF.net always goes down

<Tatey> and no, I cannot access it

<Phlosten> hmm

<Phlosten> just when I really wanted something off it! bah

<Tatey> wait, it's working now

<Phlosten> it starts loading for me then gets stuck

<Phlosten> bbl

*** thoreauputic_ is now known as thoreauputic

* siccness whistles

<pschulz01> Has anyone used the 'authconfig' tool under Redhat? is there an alterntive in Ubuntu?

<pschulz01> Hmmm authtool looks interesting..

<pschulz01> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyNetworkAuthentication

<adhoc_> pschulz01: wassat do?

<adhoc_> erk ... why prop up a dying architecture? AD sucks =(

<Davo_Dinkum> AD?

<pschulz01> Easy authentication against LDAP and other directory services... still hunting it down.

<adhoc_> pschulz01: we use AD at work

<pschulz01> adhoc_: Yes.. but LDAP isnt.

<adhoc_> such an arse to get things in or out of it if you are non windows

<adhoc_> so is the aim of the game to make a ubuntu directory server?

<Tatey> could just create an adhoc network

<Tatey> :P

<pschulz01> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication/Server

<adhoc_> with its own LDAP repository?

<pschulz01> I have lots of test machines and I need to manage a 'single signon' type system.

<pschulz01> The fedora/centOS tools make it really easy to setup a client.. and I was hoping to see the same sort of thing in Ubuntu.

<pschulz01> Goodnighta l.

<adhoc_> night pschulz01

<Davo_Dinkum> What's the name of that FOSS CD for windows?

<adhoc_> opencd 4.0

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh yeah

<adhoc_> =)

<adhoc_> night all

<Davo_Dinkum> Bye

<lisapc> how come my ubuntu can read my MS windows NTFS partitions ?

<lisapc> thats surised me

<romana> the new nfts driver?

<romana> its WRITING thts the issue

<lisapc> i didnt know ubuntu could read my NTFS partitions

<lisapc> purserj, hello :)

<romana> le sigh

<purserj> Right another busy day ahead

<romana> ive been up 3 hrs already. small lad - hes still jjumping off the couch. i want to jump out of window;)

<yama> lisapc: NTFS read support has been around for ages. Reliable write support is new and isn't officially in Ubuntu yet.

<lisapc> yama, ok

<lisapc> i didnt know

<Hit3k> lisapc, well there ya go you learning something new everyday

<lisapc> :)

<Hit3k> http://www.l-computer.com/monitors/athens/features/index.htm i wonder if ubuntu would support going that wide...

<cafuego_> of course it does

<cafuego_> it's only 5.

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<lisapc> i finally got ubunti to connect to Optus yesterday night :)

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