<jayteeuk> And which version of Ubuntu are you running?

<petoj> me 6.06

<jayteeuk> OK, if you go to System->Administration->Software Sources. Enter your password and the Software Sources dialogue box should appear.

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<jayteeuk> Select the Third-Party Software tab, then click the Add... button.

<jayteeuk> Enter "deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ dapper main main-all" (without the ") as the APT line, then click Add Source.

<petoj> w8 pls, i havent installed english language - software sources are synaptic?

<jayteeuk> Then close both windows -- you should be told your Software Sources are out of date and need to be updated. Click the Reload button.

<jayteeuk> Software Sources should be the option above Synaptic Package Manager in the System->Administration menu.

<jayteeuk> If not, the same thing can be achieved from within Synaptic.

<jayteeuk> In Synaptic, just select the Settings menu, then Repositories.

<jayteeuk> It brings up the same Software Sources dialogue box.

<petoj> ok, i have added it by typping command

<petoj> it is checked now

<petoj> there is lot of times ubuntu and 3 times adresses

<petoj> am i right?

<jayteeuk> OK, did you add "deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ dapper main main-all" to the list of Software Sources in the Third-Party Software tab?

<petoj> yes, i have added three adresses from tutorial

<dsas> X3N: how is the n800? Do you think it will be useful besides the novelty factor?

<jayteeuk> petoj, you only need to add one of the addresses.

<jayteeuk> I selected the first.

<petoj> ok, i will try 1 and i delete other

<petoj> done

<jayteeuk> Now if you close the Software Sources window you should be prompted to reload your software lists.

<petoj> but ntfs-config cannot be still found

<jayteeuk> Did you click the reload button in Synaptic?

<jayteeuk> If so, did you get an error message?

<petoj> yes, unable to lock database of software

<jayteeuk> Ah, it sounds as though you have some other package management program running.

<jayteeuk> Possibly apt-get, aptitude?

<dsas> or update-manager.

<petoj> it was update, i now clicked reload and sth is being downloaded

<jayteeuk> OK -- thanks dsas. :)

* dsas smiles

<dsas> jayteeuk: I'll let you carry on with the hard parts ;)

<jayteeuk> I'm just following the tutorial with the benefit of a little experience. :)

<jayteeuk> Actually, could someone else pick up from here? My son just started crying, I have to go and attend.

<dsas> hmm, I've never tried this but I can try to walk you through it petoj , though I hope jayteeuk or someone else comes along ;)

<dsas> petoj: has it finished downloading now?

<petoj> yes

<dsas> petoj: ok, now if you search for the ntfs-3g package in synaptic it should be found.

<dsas> so if you hit the search button and enter "ntfs-3g" it should find the right package to install.

<petoj> can i write sudo apt-get ntfs-3g?

<petoj> it can be faster

<dsas> petoj: Yeah, that's cool.

<dsas> petoj: I just wasn't sure if you were comfortable doing that :) lots of people aren't.

<dsas> petoj: Do you have read access to the NTFS partition already?

<petoj> i had it, but after ntfs 3g i dont have permissions (and it doesnt want password)

<dsas> petoj: Hmm, ok..do you know whether or not the file system is mounted? does "ls /media/hda1" show your NTFS directory?

<petoj> no, no such file or directory

<dsas> gah, we have to do things the tricky way then I think.

<dsas> can you paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l | grep NTFS | awk '{print $1}'"

<petoj> /dev/hdd1

<dsas> heh, wow how many hard disks do you have?

<dsas> ok if you run "sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.orig" you can backup the fstab in case we break things.

<petoj> 2 physical, and 1 with 2 partitions hard disk

<petoj> done sudo ...

<dsas> ok, are you on dapper, edgy or feisty?

<petoj> 6.06 i think dapper

<dsas> yeah, 6.06 is dapper.

<dsas> ok if you edit the file by running "gksu gedit /etc/fstab"

<dsas> at the bottom (ish) of the file you should see a line beginning with /dev/hdd1

<petoj> this? /dev/hdd1 /media/hdd1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=sk_SK.UTF-8 0 0

<petoj> defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 0 0

<cinex> anyone got a demonoid.com invitiation ?

<dsas> petoj: Yes, I think that looks right.

<dsas> petoj: does /media/hdd1 exist?

<petoj> yes, but it writes that i havent permissions

<petoj> and it doesnt want password

<dsas> petoj: ok, can you paste me the output of "grep 46 /etc/group

<petoj> plugdev:x:46:haldaemon,petoj

<dsas> hmm, and does the output of "groups" list petoj somewhere?

<petoj> i dont understand, what and where

<dsas> petoj: if you run the command "groups" in the terminal, the output should include "petoj" somewhere.

<dsas> petoj: Or you can just paste the output of "groups" here

<petoj> petoj adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin

<dsas> petoj: hmm, i'm running out of ideas.

<dsas> petoj: does "sudo umount /dev/hdd1 && sudo mount -a" change anything?

<petoj> yes it doesnt write that i dont have permissions, but it shows only clear directory

<dsas> hmm.

<petoj> umount: /dev/hdd1: not mounted - second time

<dsas> ok, so if "sudo mount -a" doesn't work, there's something wrong with your /etc/fstab entry I think.

<dsas> brb

<petoj> Mount is denied because NTFS logfile is unclean.

<dsas> petoj: Hmm, I'm afraid I don't know what that means, perhaps it's worth waiting for jayteeuk to return.

<petoj> he will return?

<dsas> petoj: hopefully.

<dsas> petoj: I'm afraid I've never had that problem and I'm unsure what it means.

<dsas> petoj: The only think I can think of is to boot windows and run the check disk thingy.

<petoj> my windows rest in peace - it crashed forever

<dsas> petoj: hmm, I'm guessing here, but I think is happening is that there is a problem with the ntfs partition not being shut down cleanly or something.

<petoj> i havent used this partition so i hope windows havent changed it

<petoj> but windows can do everything

<petoj> thx, dsas and jayteeuk, i must go into bed

<dsas> petoj: Sorry I couldn't help more :(

<dsas> petoj: It may be worth stopping in again tomorrow, perhaps someone can give you a hand.

<petoj> yes i try it, you have helped me a lot, because i see here is people, who want to help me

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<Norf-ubu> G'day

<togster> Morning all

<AndrewB> Hey.

<jamesbrose> damn manchester weather

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<selinuxium_> hi all, i have a fairly serious problem. I have been working in OO doing my timesheets for work. It has taken 3 hours. and now my screen saver kicked in but has hung. I cannot get to the screen to save my document. any ideas?

<selinuxium_> popey: jayteeuk DaveMorris anyone! :)

* selinuxium_ despairs, weeping in a corner...

<disco\\> selinuxium_

<disco\\> If you do a hard reboot, won

<disco\\> 't there be a temp file

<disco\\> left somewhere

<selinuxium_> disco\\: probably, but i don't want to leave it to chance! :)

<disco\\> true, yeh

<daviey> selinuxium, wait

<daviey> you can kill the screensaver

<daviey> ctrl + alt f1

<daviey> log in

<daviey> and kill gnome-screensaver (i think); ps -a | grep gnome will show it

<selinuxium_> daviey: hi there, i have done that but still no screen, how do i restart gnome-desktop?

<daviey> did you kill gnome-desktop

<daviey> ?

<daviey> you don't want to!

<daviey> kill gnome-screensaver - it works, i've just tried it

<stdin> anyone fell like helping me with an X error?

<stdin> "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0"

<selinuxium_> daviey: already killed screensaver but no desktop. I so hope it has a temp file..

<daviey> selinuxium, did you then press ctrl alt f7?

<daviey> (to go back to x11?

<selinuxium_> daviey: yep

<selinuxium_> i was left with just the mouse cursor

<daviey> hmm, sounds like xserver has crashed then

<daviey> definitely no screensaver password window?

<selinuxium_> daviey: nope, I have had to restart gdm, OO has recovered most of it though...

<selinuxium_> daviey, no is hasn't CRUD!

<daviey> :(

<daviey> what a pain

<selinuxium_> thanks for your input anyway! :)

<dsas> good afternoon

<X3N> good afternoon

* X3N is connected from his brothers n800 again

<X3N> its quite cool because you can type with your fingers on the sceen

<dsas> X3N: Through ssh + irssi? or does it have a client built in?

<X3N> eit auto detects when you have put your fingers on the screen

<dsas> sounds cool. I'd like one but I can see it ending up like my PDA, a toy that never gets used.

<X3N> its debian based so i just have to go to a terminal

<X3N> it only has wifi and bluetooth

<dsas> X3N: What's the battery life like in the real world?

<X3N> depends on use.. couple of days averge

<X3N> it tells youthe battery life in left in two values, one estimates when idle and one when in full use

<X3N> so you can make a reasonable estimate

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<Seeker`> mornin

<Norf-ubu> how do i remove Nexuis from Synaptic.... its tooooooo addictive :|

<Norf-ubu> what with that and Beryl, I'm forgetting basics.... *looks on Ebay for a commode*

<LoudMouthMan> Evening all .

<dsas> evening LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> well i didnt do it . but i did consume far too much whisky and get to bed far too late.

<LoudMouthMan> but a good time was had by all . and apparently myself was included

<dsas> did you catch the person who did?

<LoudMouthMan> no ! we bet on the wrong player, though I was rigth and i was out voted !

<disco\\\> ooo arrr :/

* LoudMouthMan hands disco a combine harvester

<disco\\\> ty ;)

<LoudMouthMan> as usual though dsas , theres like 60 people at this dinner party and he organiser zeroed in on me to "take part" in reading some of the script. Apparently they noticed me when I entered the room and felt I would do a good clear job . I have NO IDEA why that was.

* LoudMouthMan sulks Heroes wont be back till april, studio60 ison hiatus. , gilmore girls is last season and sucking badly and BSG is coming to the endof its season . he wants his west wing ....

<LoudMouthMan> oh dear i succumbed to twitter

<Norf-ubu> twitter <dumb look>

<LoudMouthMan> twitter.com

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: heh, I've only heard the rumours

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: I signed up to twitter. Non my friends were interested in it though, so I stopped using it.

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<LoudMouthMan> dsas well ive wanted something EXACTLY like that which would let me post thoughts outside of blogs.

<dsas> by that do you mean post thoughts while you're away from the computer, or by posting "small thoughts", which aren't worthy of a full blog post?

<LoudMouthMan> there dsas your added as a friend.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: ty

<LoudMouthMan> BOTH <grin>

<LoudMouthMan> and every ones favourite IT uncle Leo Laporte has been added to.

<dsas> ah, well I one thing you could do is install one of those "asides" blog plug-ins that some people use. You could also email wordpress from your phone.

<LoudMouthMan> dsas im posting a gtd on 43folders soon enough . since my GTD is really kicking in a working well .

<dsas> hmm, the first bit there made no sense at all.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: link me in

<LoudMouthMan> I got it.

<LoudMouthMan> I wonder if we can create a loco contact alias under which a number of email addresses can be added ?

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: I guess X3N and popey are the people to ask on the technical side.

<LoudMouthMan> plus having seen some of the trouble AlexLatchford has expressed I really / really want to see the intergration and dissemination of irc/list/forums/web brought into one or other system.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: for what purpose?

<LoudMouthMan> so we can share out the loco team contact responsibilities to a number of us .

<LoudMouthMan> more points of failure over 1 .

<dsas> reducing points of failure always makes sense. do you get much direct contact about the team?

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<dsas> where has AlexLatchford expressed his troubles?

<LoudMouthMan> yes and no . though there was a email to me which was picked up overtly but id rather it went to a group anyway .

<LoudMouthMan> dsas to me and ive pointed him inthe right directions.

<dsas> ah ok, I thought you meant publically.

<AlexLatchford> LoudMouthMan: you can have multiple list admins

<AlexLatchford> or has you just not got around to adding them in yet?

<LoudMouthMan> Alexlatchford . no they havent ! i did ask though .

<dsas> have we still just got Riddell as admin?

<AlexLatchford> seems that way

<dsas> who do we need to change that? Can Riddell do it or do we need one of the sysadmins?

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: Who did you ask? I found Riddell to be pretty responsive on IRC when I had list questions previously...

<LoudMouthMan> yes well I asked to get involed to help out with admin and to be able to track numbers.

<LoudMouthMan> I asked because I wanted to get more involved in knowing about list numbers, members, lurkers and moderation issues. because I wanted to help with this .

<dsas> ah, I just asked for the list numbers once and he gave them me pretty quickly. I wonder what the delay is.

<LoudMouthMan> yeah I guess id rather not have to ask but see. just like stats on the site.

<LoudMouthMan> hey speaking of numbers I have a few hundred Edubuntu and 64BitBuntu CDs here .

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: Oh yeah, I can definitely see the rationale for having someone actually active in the team as a list admin.

<LoudMouthMan> I really want to do something with them . oh and Ive asked a printer to give me a cost for creating Buntu cd sleaves and printed Blank CD media

<LoudMouthMan> sleaves .. sheesh with the spelling that was awful .. sorry .

<LoudMouthMan> Sleeves !

<dsas> heh, reading yahoo! interviews 10 years on is funny.

<dsas> on search engines using spiders, "And that is with the current size of the Web. What about in five years, ten years? Are people really going to want to search through all of that to find what they want?"

<dsas> hmm, it is quiet here tonight!

<daviey> grr

<LoudMouthMan> couldnt say the silence is deafening!

<RonRhodes> Whats wrong with XChat-GNOME IRC Chat? It is not downloading!

<dsas> pringles and irc, better than movie and popcorn?

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