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<etank> hi

<X626> Hi

<X626> I feel so...evil. I still have NTLDR deleted on this computer to see how long it would take my dad and stepmom to notice. It's been about 2 weeks now (they barely use the computer).

<etank> that is kind of evil

<X626> And since the Internet is scewed up on Windows, the MUST use Linux for that anyway.

<etank> that is one way to get converts :)

<X626> I figured they'd at least try to use the computer a little more...I plan on doing something MORE evil: When they notice the message, I will replace NTLDR, and when they're done, I'll delete it again until they get on again.

<X626> I still may not put it back then.

<etank> just backup the machine and then force a BSOD

<X626> Yeah, I could do that (although, they have no idea what NTLDR is, so I may be able to get by w/o the BSOD.

<etank> whatever works

<X626> I've pretty much satisfied their needs though. If they ever do need Windows, I ask them what they use it for, and try to put something similar onto the drive running Ubuntu.

<X626> I'm pretty much trying (in an evil and not-so-evil way) to show them that there is MORE than just Windows out there.

<X626> I'm trying to find an open source diagnostic utility (as a bootable CD image) for a SkillsUSA competition tomorrow. Does anybody have any suggestions? I have no idea what to try to look for.

<etank> what are you looking for in the diagnostic utility?

<X626> Uh....I forget exactly what my teacher said...I know it has to check the BIOS...maybe memory....and check for possible hardware problems (I think). I don't remember every little thing my teacher told me...sorry.

<etank> i like to use a knoppix disc to diagnose problems

<X626> I believe there was more to it than that...

<etank> memtest86 (i tink that is right) will rn the memory through lots of tests.

<X626> I have Knoppix and SystemRescueCD. I guess one of those would work.

<X626> I've got to make copies of whatever I decide to go with for some other people in that competition to use. Problem is, what's "easy" for me to use, isn't for most other people I know.

<X626> brb

<bkingx> |{evin: any thoughts on passing the ip address of the remote through the proxy to the requested web server?

<bkingx> I am really needing to record the ip address of the connecting remote in the forum on the IIS server. Since we are using the mod_proxy deal now, all it shows is the ip address of the proxy server.

<etank> bkingx: since we don't have the site up why don't you just redirect 80 to the IIS box?

<etank> that would take care of it for now at least

<bkingx> Yeah...I could

<bkingx> Oops, no I can't I have that other site running on the VM.

<bkingx> So I still have to use the proxy.

<etank> what other site?

<bkingx> Golf site and Family site.

<etank> can't you do a redirect in IIS to the VM site?

<bkingx> The golf one is the one I really need to record the IP address.

<bkingx> WHAT?? Are you telling me you are opting for a Microsoft solution over Linux??? :O

<bkingx> It works great! I just need it to pass the IP address over, is all.

<etank> I am not. The site that matters to me has been taken down. This is your stuff dude.

<bkingx> ;P

<bkingx> Then turn the other site back on!!!!!!

<etank> we can't!!!!!!

<bkingx> <sigh> I know

-etank- Hello Kentucky LoCo. It's 8:00PM so that means Meeting Time.

<etank> how is everyone tonight?

<TheLighty> good evening

<bkingx> ;)

<jdimond> am I late?

<etank> zenwhen: how's it going

<etank> jdimond: just getting started

<jdimond> nice

<TheLighty> it is now 20:00

<etank> my clock must be fast

* etank needs to enable ntp

<venomous> TheLighty: no colon in military time!!

<jdimond> 2001

<TheLighty> my Aitomic clock shows that way

<TheLighty> aatomic

<TheLighty> forget it

<etank> well the items for discussion tonight are listed in the channel topic.

<etank> first thing on the list:

<venomous> TheLighty: jus' pokin' at ya. not supposed to be one there, anyway

<TheLighty> NP

<TheLighty> cheap clock

<TheLighty> dams special

<TheLighty> sams

<jkeyes0> woo, I made it. :)

<etank> Are we ready to submit our team for approval?

<etank> what are your thoughts

<etank> welcome jdimond

<etank> welcome jkeyes0

<jkeyes0> I think we're ready to submit. we've got lots of things planned out, and actual dates/times (or at least timeframes) for most of them.

<bkingx> Ryan Seacrest is my hero!!

<etank> just in case you have not seen it yet, here is the draft of the approval app https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/ApprovalApplication

<TheLighty> I have a question

<etank> shoot

<TheLighty> there are 3 goals we should meet

<TheLighty> did we meet those yet

<etank> the ones that have not been meet yet are planned and on the calendar

<etank> we do need to fill in the holes on the application

<jkeyes0> we need to create wiki / forum entries for each of our goals, I think.

<etank> it has a skeleton and muscle but we need to give it flesh

<jkeyes0> and have open discussions about the goals in the forum

<venomous> muscle needs toning!

<etank> any other thoughts on it?

<venomous> from who?? me?

<etank> anyone

<etank> I just don't want us to try for approval until we all feel that we are ready

<jkeyes0> I can expand on the New Team Member Support page and you can include it in the Experience section if you like.

<jkeyes0> we can work more on the Documentation page

<etank> that sounds good

<etank> any other ideas / comments?

<etank> if not we can go to the next topic

<jkeyes0> I think the app looks good. A little further fleshing out, and some more work on some of the team pages, and we'll be in business.

<X626> I want to help out with the documentation, but I'm no good at writing instructions.

<etank> lets skip the (touchy) web site topic

<jkeyes0> save that for last, or not.

<etank> X626: you write it and we can edit it.

<X626> Ok, that'll work.

<etank> should we take one sub-team at a time?

<bkingx> Sure!

<etank> the wiki team first then

<etank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/WikiTeam

<etank> I wrote what I was thinking of as the goals for this team today

<etank> does anyone else have anything to add to what is on the page now

<jkeyes0> Under the objectives, KentuckyTeam is spelled wrong. Not a big deal though.

<venomous> working on that now...

<etank> oops

<etank> so far bkingx, jkeyes0, kambrik and I are on that team

<etank> we do not have a leader assigned yet

<X626> I'm considering joining that team.

<etank> would anyone like to join the team or even lead it?

<etank> I think that venomous would be a good one for this team

* bkingx seconds

* etank thirds

* etank wonders if he can do that

<venomous> hah...bastardo!! trying to volunteer me....

<bkingx> I think it is a done deal!!

<bkingx> HAHA!

* etank thinks that he just accepted

<etank> ok. the next subteam is the new members team

<etank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/NewMembers

<venomous> only if nobody cries when i edit...

<etank> so far jkeyes0 is the leader of the team with me and bkingx as members

<bkingx> Edit away, my friend!

<etank> the goal of this team is to great new members and make them feel welcome to the team

<etank> show them around some and help them get involved and not be a bench warmer

<etank> jkeyes0: you want to add anything to that

<jkeyes0> that pretty much covers it. I'm also making every effort to help them with technical issues, or point them to someone / someplace that can help them.

<etank> i would like to see every member of the team involved in some way

<etank> art, wiki, writing code, whatever

<jdimond> can we join multiple teams?

<jkeyes0> absolutely, Jd

<bkingx> sure, jdimond

<jdimond> put me down for new members then

<etank> yes

<etank> you can go to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/NewMembers/Members and add your info

<jdimond> rogder

<etank> does anything else need to be said for this team?

<etank> pretty straight forward

<jkeyes0> what did you have in mind as far as art for the new team?

<etank> the was just an example

<etank> i was trying to say that i would like for members to be involved where ever their skills are

<bkingx> I think etank was referring to helping new members become active in somethin

<jkeyes0> k, didn't know if you were thinking ahead of me or not. we can all collaborate more on what we think should be on the wiki page, and get it in motion.

<etank> sure thing jkeyes0

<etank> ok. the next team is the charity project team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/CharityProject

<etank> this is one that i am pretty excited about

<etank> as of now Zuph is the leader with me and montgoej as members

<etank> is everyone up to speed on what this team is about?

<TheLighty> yes

<etank> good enough

<bkingx> lol

<TheLighty> sorry fo rbeing quiet, I had to take a call

<jkeyes0> I'd like to be involved in the OS building / imaging process, at least

<TheLighty> where do you want me?

<TheLighty> I can help with most technical issues with pc's

<TheLighty> still learning Ubuntu

<etank> TheLighty: work where you feel comfortable

<etank> the plan is to load ubuntu on the pcs and then give them to needy people

<etank> the last team is the web team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/WebTeam

<bkingx> ME Me Me!

<etank> this one it turns out doesn't need quite as much work at the moment :(

<jkeyes0> (btw, that site has KentuckTeam on it as well instead of KentuckyTeam)

<jkeyes0> yeah, for the moment that one is on a bit of a hiatus. Isn't bkingx the team lead of it?

<etank> it is fixed now

<TheLighty> I can help with web team

<venomous> jkeyes0....be careful about being good at anything though...you'll get "volunteered" for stuff!!

<TheLighty> hehe

<jkeyes0> :) I'm glad to help out anywhere I can.

<bkingx> I'll volunteer for lead on this one.

<TheLighty> okay I suck at everyting

<TheLighty> not really

<TheLighty> hey any of you want to see what I built

<bkingx> I may delegate technical tasks out, but I think I can make it pretty nice.

<jkeyes0> bkingx nominated for team lead!

<TheLighty> if ya need any you can toss my way

<venomous> TheLighty: does it involve driving??

<TheLighty> I can drive

<venomous> i'm probably over the legal limit!

<TheLighty> have a e150 for van too

<jkeyes0> hey montgoej!

<etank> hey montgoej

<bkingx> hey montgoej

<montgoej> ok, I'm finally here!!!

<TheLighty> hello'

<etank> we were just discussing the sub-teams

<montgoej> ok

<etank> is everyone ok with bkingx leading the web team?

<jkeyes0> seconded!

<TheLighty> third

<bkingx> DANG!! The only time someone asks if it is OK.

<venomous> fourth..fifth...sixth...

<montgoej> I say yes

* bkingx feeling like a slug!!

<etank> good enough

<TheLighty> where is the salt?

<etank> bkingx: its official now. it says you are the leader on the wiki :)

<bkingx> Uh oh...feeling a bit overwhelmed now!

<etank> that leads us to the web site

<bkingx> Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

<TheLighty> what is going on with it

<etank> in a talk with jono this week we were asked to take down the site

<etank> the standard is to use statename.ubuntu-us.org

<etank> and not ubuntu-statename.org

<etank> the problem is that you have to be an approved team to get the sub-domain on ubuntu-us.org

<TheLighty> I thought he was re-thinking it

<etank> he did say today that he is considering changing that

<bkingx> Let's just hope that he does.

<etank> he is thinking of allowing any loco team have a ubuntu-us.org name but for the un-approved teams it will point to their wiki

<etank> once they are approved then they can get it pointed to a different site

<etank> he Zuph_

<Zuph_> Hola.

<etank> hey Zuph_ i ment

<venomous> a few changes made. still some tweaking to do, but edited at least....https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/ApprovalApplication#preview

<bkingx> Give that example you gave me this afternoon, etank

<etank> for now if we get a sub-domain it will point to our team wiki

<etank> once approved we can then point it to the team web site and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam will be our wiki

<etank> venomous: looks good

<etank> so that is the offical (for now) word from jono

<bkingx> so for now, we are stuck with wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam as our main site.

<etank> the idea behind that is it will keep the teams focused on building the team and not playing with a CMS

<bkingx> When we get approved, we will be allowed to use Kentucky.ubuntu-us.org and point it to our web server.

<etank> that or they could host it for us. the decision is ours.

<bkingx> BTW....I fought against all this, for what it is worth.

<venomous> nominate bkingx for sergeant-at-arms...

<bkingx> I still think it is the wrong way to go, but I'll respect whatever the decision is made.

<bkingx> thanks, venomous

<etank> bkingx: good choice :)

<bkingx> Hey, we all have the same goal. And we will just have to agree to disagree.

<bkingx> And of course, they have the final decision, so I'll respect that.

<bkingx> <But I don't have to like it!!!!>

<bkingx> ;)

<etank> bkingx: what was you thinking on the Testimonials section on the approval application?

<montgoej> lol

<montgoej> bkingx: I agree

<bkingx> Especially since I am out $60 for the domain I registered.

<etank> who are you targeting to get testimonies from

<venomous> etank: good question...

<bkingx> I would think atponce, Vorian, to start

<venomous> what are they testifying to though??

<etank> what are you looking for them to say?

<bkingx> since zenwhen is our only Ubuntu member, his voice might be good.

<etank> venomous: you are so fast

<venomous> that's the same thing SHE said!

<bkingx> Something along the lines of why we would be a good team.

<bkingx> Their personal experience with our team.

<venomous> bkingx: i'm thinking if we can't stand on our own, testimonies might look like we're "pleading"..

<TheLighty> not at all

<bkingx> I was jsut following the Ubuntu Membership application suggestions.

<TheLighty> they are a god thing to have

<TheLighty> it's like a resume

<venomous> TheLighty: yeah, but everyone knows you don't put "bad" references on resumes.

<bkingx> The CC recommended it as supporting documentation.

<venomous> every reference is going to say, "...best thing since sliced bread, blah, blah,"

<TheLighty> well that is why you only show positve

<bkingx> But we don't have to include it if we don't want.

<venomous> it is my opinion (and only mine) that testimonials/references are just fluff to aid an application/resume having difficulty standing on its own merits.

<bkingx> I'm indifferent.

<venomous> the opinions stated previously do not represent those of the management and staff...

<Zuph_> venomous: I agree, which is why, unless you're applying for your first job in high school, you put "references available upon request" on your resume.

<etank> Zuph_: are you in favor of the Testimonials section then?

<venomous> Zuph_: true, but i don't even put "on request" on there. everyone already knows you'll provide them if requested....wasted space.

<bkingx> I say we leave them out until we see what we end up with for our application.

<Zuph_> My resume has never been so tight that two words was a bother. Maybe just me, though.

<Zuph_> etank: against.

<etank> anyone else?

<venomous> changes to wiki already made....deletion of "testimonials"

* bkingx against, for now.

<montgoej> against for now

<X626> also against for now

<bkingx> That should be good then

<etank> ok. did we cover everything on the discussion list then?

<bkingx> DId we decide to postpone the install fest then?

<jkeyes0> postpone? why?

<etank> I think that doing the release party and install fest on different days would be best

<bkingx> Agree.

<bkingx> So which one do we postpone?

<etank> the install fest

<etank> feisty has a set date for release

<etank> if they hit the date that is

<bkingx> Fair enough....and then keep the Release party for April 20th then?

<etank> sounds good to me

<etank> vote

* etank +1

* bkingx +1

* montgoej +1

* jkeyes0 +1

* X626 +1

* Zuph_ +1

* jdimond +1

<bkingx> Passed!

<etank> venomous |{evin TheLighty zenwhen

<etank> what do you guys think

<bkingx> Then finally, do we postpone the dry-run for the install fest then?

<jkeyes0> Honestly? I say we keep it on schedule. it might take more than one to make it run smoothly...

<etank> i don't think we should either

<jkeyes0> and one thing that will help our application is more IRL meetings.

<etank> vote to keep the date set

* etank +1

* jkeyes0 +1

* montgoej + uno

* X626 +1

* Zuph_ +1

* bkingx +1

<etank> venomous: what is your vote since it is at your house

<etank> unless srwalter comes through for us

<venomous> had to recycle some beer...

<venomous> reading

<venomous> sounds fine to me...

<etank> date stays March 24th then

<jkeyes0> at what time?

<etank> jkeyes0: good question

<bkingx> mid-afternoon?

<bkingx> venomous: have a suggestion?

<montgoej> didn't we say last time that it would be about 3:00 p.m.

<etank> that works for me

<montgoej> works for me?

<jkeyes0> it will last what, 6 hours?

<bkingx> That sounds like a long time, but realistically, it could be 9:00.

<venomous> doesn't matter...late afternoon, early evening is fine. use it as a segway to drinkin' and a hold 'em tournament!

<bkingx> HELLS YEAH!

<montgoej> I've gotta be somewhere at 7:00 so I might have to leave if it's gonna be really long

<bkingx> BTW... venomous, I created a Calendar Wiki. The link is on the main page under Meetings.

<jdimond> i cant make it

<bkingx> You can do what you want to with it.

<etank> How do we get people to come?

<bkingx> Offer free beer!!

<etank> how do we get the word out?

<bkingx> Then say the keg got dropped.

<etank> anyone with a real suggestion

<venomous> door prize is a gratuitous buy-in to the hold 'em tournament afterwards!

<etank> ok. something to think about then.

<bkingx> That's a good one, venomous

<etank> so to recap ... we are going to do more work on the approval app, the web site is on hold for now, and we are going to get going with the sub-teams

<bkingx> yup

<venomous> "...even a blind squirrel..."

<jkeyes0> honestly, if each person can bring 2 others, (and we can get a lot of members to come, which is still kinda questionable), we'll have a lot of people there.

<etank> also the install fest has been postponed but the dry run is still on March 24th and the release party is still on April 20th

<etank> "get a lot of members to come" that is the trick there.

<etank> we have 35 members and 13 here now

<etank> that really isn't a bad ratio though

<bkingx> Yeah...not too bad.

<jkeyes0> well, we regularly have between 10-15 members in meetings. If 10 people bring 2 people each, that's still 30 people in a room watching installs.

<jkeyes0> and there's nothing that says we can't do it more than once.

<etank> we just each need to find a place in the team to be involved

<bkingx> LOL..you make that sound so exciting!

<etank> jkeyes0: good points

<comfurtn> about the number of people at the meetings... for me at least, thursdays at 8 are just not convenient.

<bkingx> I think doing it more than once is a GREAT Idea.

<bkingx> And we need some people to take notes and help create an agenda.

<etank> comfurtn: what would be a better time for you

<comfurtn> well, it just so happens that i have nightclass on thursdays.. so i never get back to the computer before 9, sometimes later.

<etank> bkingx: we need to have some members create a presentation showing the benefits of Ubuntu / Open Source

<comfurtn> i'm up for writing anything that we need.

<bkingx> True...

<jkeyes0> we could either change the date or the time, either way

<bkingx> Nominate comfurtn for presentation material

* jkeyes0 +1

* jdimond +1

* etank +1 but i will help out

<comfurtn> "the benefits of Ubuntu/Open Source" ?

<comfurtn> what type of presentation are we wanting?

<bkingx> Sounds liek we need a-team presentation sub

<jkeyes0> great idea, bkingx

<etank> or whatever topics you think will get non-linux users excited about ubuntu

<venomous> brb phone

<etank> something in impress would work

<jkeyes0> what's impress, etank ?

<comfurtn> yeah, that will be simplest.

<etank> just some slides with images and the topics being discussed

<comfurtn> open office powerpoint.

<etank> impress == powerpoint

<jkeyes0> it's called "presentation" on mine, I believe.

<etank> impress > powerpoint

<etank> that is what the menu says but in OO it is impress.

<jkeyes0> Hehe, there's a presentation template called "HumanUbuntu". Might be good to use that...

<etank> i think that we need to burn a cd with some screen casts on it to give to them as well

<jdimond> are we going to work on other projects besides ubuntu advocacy?

<etank> that and some printed documentation

<jkeyes0> I can work out bringing a projector

<etank> we have the charity project

<bkingx> Sure, jdimond .

<bkingx> And what else did you have in mind?

<etank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/CharityProject

<jdimond> like, say, helping out with packages that need work in ubuntu and what not

<venomous> south park is on!!

<bkingx> DVR, venomous

<etank> jdimond: if you have the ability to do that then great. I think that is a good idea.

<jkeyes0> I'd love to help create new packages. I need to learn that at some point..

<comfurtn> jdimond: maybe we could tackle a bug or something as a team.

<etank> I don't know how many of us are programmers though

<jdimond> exactly

<venomous> so much for getting any more work done

<etank> comfurtn: jdimond good ideas

<montgoej> I know a bit about compiling, creating packages, etc.

<comfurtn> oh wow, impress just crashed on me.

<montgoej> I'm willing to help as much as possible

<venomous> running downstairs, but i'm up in the "geek room"

<jkeyes0> I was a programmer in college. I can fix minor bugs in compiling, but I'd have to relearn alot to do anything major.

<bkingx> And we had plans to create a team custom CD.

<jdimond> custom cd would be an awesome project also

<montgoej> a lot of packages that are broke are just because not all dependencies are listed

<bkingx> With apps and configs we recommend as a team

<comfurtn> bkingx: we should make a wiki page to brainstorm that.

<montgoej> we could always set up a repo with meta packages such as things to help install gui administration apps, games, etc

* jdimond +1

<etank> ok we are off the topics for tonight. is everyone good with adjourning for the evening?

<bkingx> Agreed....how about discussion on the forums, and compiling the info on the wiki?

<comfurtn> sounds good.

<etank> im not saying that we stop the discussion here

<bkingx> Nope...I'm done.

* montgoej + 0001

<etank> i am just saying that we call the meeting done

<bkingx> Yeah, I need to get the kids to bed.

<etank> meeting done then

<bkingx> Good Meeting everyone!!!

<venomous> adjourned....

<bkingx> Alrighty then....Seacrest, Out!

<bkingx> I'll be back on tomorrow for anyone that wants to shout out

<jdimond> latez

<montgoej> oh yeah, in May I'll be going to FBLA state and so I'll be sure to bring some Ubuntu CDs, stickers, etc. to give out

<bkingx> nighty night!

<X626> I'm going to FBLA state, too.

<jdimond> hey jkeyes0 did you ever figure out vnc???

<montgoej> awesome!

<venomous> check altimeter...at altitude...rip cord...i'm out

<montgoej> I placed 1st in region 4 cyber security

<etank> logs online now at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/Meetings/2007Mar08

<montgoej> and you, X626?

<X626> We'll be competing against each other, then. I'm in region 6.

<montgoej> ah...fun fun

<jkeyes0> Actually, sort of, jdimond. System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop. Use a VNC program to connect to IP:0 (the console). It's just like using RDP in windows.

<jdimond> nice

<jdimond> i'll have to remember that incase tightvnc ever fails me

<etank> i've got a question / favor to ask

<etank> I have added my name to the CC adgenda for Ubuntu Member approval. Would any of you be willing to be at the meeting to speak on my behalf?

<jkeyes0> When/where do I need to be, fearless leader?

<montgoej> when/where is it?

<etank> not sure when the meeting is but i think that it will be in #ubuntu-meetings

<etank> i have had atoponce and zenwhen look at my page and atoponce said to go for it

<etank> they said that it helps to have a cheering section though

<jdimond> If the time is right I'll go.

<etank> cool

<jkeyes0> give us a date/time (via e-mail or IRC) and we'll be there.

<etank> will do

<X626> If I'm able to/remember to, I'll try to be there.

<etank> i appreciate it

<montgoej> If I can be there, I will b

<montgoej> * I will be...I hate this keyboard

<X626> I can't say for sure, though, because I have bad memory (for some things) and sometimes I don't pay attention to the time.

<etank> any help would be good.

<etank> this is the page that they are going to be looking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EricLake

<etank> i just hope there is enough on it

<X626> You have a lot on there. I'd hope that would be enough...

<montgoej> so, X626, did you here any people complaining and saying "WTF is Red Hat linux!?!?!" after the cyber security test? I heard at least one person getting mad about it after the test

<etank> well guys im turning in

<etank> good meeting tonight

<jdimond> take it easy

<montgoej> alright, see ya etank

<X626> Well, there were 5 total. When I told them how much I hated Microsoft, they both said "Linux." I never HEARD anybody say it, but they may have thought it. Good night, etank.

<jkeyes0> it looks good to me, etank. have a good night

<etank> night

<montgoej> yeah, there were 5 total with me too

<montgoej> I didn't think it was that bad but one guy got real frustrated and red in the face

<X626> I placed 2nd in it. I found it a little hard. There were a few things I didn't know.

<montgoej> yeah, there were a few I had problems with, like something about Novell's NetWare

<montgoej> but overall it wasn't one of those, "OMG I'm gonna get a 2 on this" kinda thing

<X626> Yeah, I didn't think it was THAT hard.

<jkeyes0> I'm off as well. g'night guys.

*** jkeyes0 is now known as jkeyes0_afk

<montgoej> and some questions were on there twice, like one about biometrics and "hand geometry

<X626> Yeah, I noticed that.

<X626> The other two who placed with me I KNEW were going to get it.

<montgoej> I'm gonna try to get a tie I saw online a while back, it has Tux on it

<X626> Cool.

<montgoej> oh yeah, whjen they were giving out the awards, one girl tripped and fell down the stairs off the stage..I felt bad for her, that's gotta suck

<montgoej> everyone saw and heard it too

<X626> That DOES gotta suck...

<montgoej> one guy got called up on accident and he didn't win anything

<X626> That also has to suck.

<Zuph_> Is Mr. Small still around?

<montgoej> that has to suck to be called up and be in 4th and just have to sit back down

<X626> I gotta do a stupid resume for my SkillsUSA competition tomorrow.

<montgoej> I hate resumes

<X626> Me, too. Especially since I lost the one I did in keyboarding 2 years ago. I have all my other school files, though...

<X626> I still can't believe that we will both be competing in the same event at state. Kinda weird to me.

<montgoej> yeah

<montgoej> during the free time I'll be holding a mini-meeting on physical security though. A few people have heard I can pick locks show I'm gonna show them how easy it is and all, at least for simple locks

<montgoej> * I meant so...I dunno why I put show after gonna

<X626> Typos happen.

<montgoej> yeah

<montgoej> security fascinates me so I've studied it a lot

<montgoej> I'd like to get a major in some kind of security field in college

<montgoej> probably computer security or whatever colleges label the course as

<X626> Computer security is what I find interesting.

<montgoej> security in general interests me because it shows just how vulnerable anything is

<montgoej> the OS most people use, windows, has viruses running rampant for every version of it

<X626> Yeah, even Vista.

<X626> Vista had many viruses while it was still in beta.

<montgoej> just like the locks most people use, Kwiksets(or some knockoff brand of kwikset), are soooo easy to pick but people trust their houses with them

<X626> It's weird home companies take over like that...Used by so many people, yet they still don't understand the actual security risk.

<montgoej> yeah, even security experts put themselves at risk, I mean, how many security experts use windows?

<X626> A TON.

<montgoej> you can put Mcafee, norton, etc. on it all you want but there are still soooo many viruses out there that'll target it

<montgoej> my stepdad is a locksmith who knows how insecure cheap locks are, yet we have them on the front door

<X626> I don't really like Windows' methods of security, either. lol that's pretty weird.

<montgoej> yeah, windows methods of security are so lax

<montgoej> we have the whole user groups type thing at school

<montgoej> most users are just regular users

<X626> And people spend so much time as an administrator. Yeah, my school does, too.

<montgoej> but some who are in STLP(like me) are administrators

<X626> Wow...that's cool.

<montgoej> yet I had a way of getting around all the safeguards so I could install software, get around the blocker, etc. before I was ever admin, even though they pay tons for programs to stop it

<X626> I wish I could figure out how to bypass the stupid updated BESS.

<X626> I hate that stupid dog!

<montgoej> dog? Saint Bernard?

<montgoej> that's what we have

<X626> Can't go to Ubuntu Forums, no SourceForge, none of my favorite open source sites. Yeah, the state uses BESS. I'm not really surprised.

<montgoej> *cough* google for torpark *cough* put it on a usb drive *cough* don't tell anyone...you didn't hear this from me *cough*

<montgoej> don't use it for anything illegal

<X626> I don't.

<montgoej> plus, I talked our network dude into unblocking ubuntuforums.org

<montgoej> and sourceforge, newegg, etc.

<X626> Wish ours would.

<montgoej> I have connections...

<X626> They hardly want to listen to us at my school about what to unblock. I spend all my free time on the Internet at school.

<montgoej> I am our mini Linux-sysadmin on our school's one Linux computer so I got connections

<X626> Wish my school had a Linux computer.

<montgoej> we have one, running Ubuntu

<X626> I'm not surprised about that one!

<montgoej> I am the only one in the school who knows much of anything at all about Linux/Unix so I talked them into letting me do it

<X626> I'm pretty much the only one at my school, too. Heck, my school seems afraid of anything they don't understand. I even heard the state is considering a ban on Firefox Portable!

<montgoej> our school has firefox installed on every machine

<X626> Grrrrr...Yet again: LUCKY! My school seems to fear Firefox.

<montgoej> our network guy is a linux junkie, but he works at the central office

<montgoej> our sysadmin for the high school uses audacity for his podcasting class and encourages the students to use open source instead of pirate software, although he still uses windows

<montgoej> I'm slowly teaching him Linux

<X626> My school actually seems to fear TECHNOLOGY itself. I'm glad when I go to the Tech Center. At least my computer teacher THERE knows what she's talking about.

<montgoej> you should talk your school into letting me come in to do a presentation and I'll bypass all their security methods such that I have

<montgoej> 1. an account

<montgoej> 2. admin access

<montgoej> 3. no web blocking

<montgoej> show them that windows security is crap

<montgoej> switch to linux

<montgoej> that's part of what got our school to let me install Linux on a computer as a test

<montgoej> because I showed the sysadmin guy a huge bunch of exploits that we've found in their system

<X626> I

<X626> I've exploited a few things.

<X626> Nothing that major, though.

<montgoej> I mean, I don't "hack" the system per se, this is more of "proof-of-concept" kinda stuff that I've shown them, just to show that it's possible

<X626> I also didn't mean it as "hack", either.

<X626> I actually bet that if they SAW a huge exploit, they still would be more afraid, and not even let the students use the computers (It's beginning to look like that to me, anyway).

<montgoej> I waited til an unsuspecting, normal-level user walked away, ran a specially prepared script and made an admin account then I showed them how to bypass the filter

<X626> Wow, that's pretty good.

<montgoej> I have an agreement with the people at my school that I can do what I want to get proof-of-concept things to work, as long as it didn't bother any other user, didn't "hack" the server and didn't break anything

<montgoej> and I show them when I do find something

<X626> You are so very lucky. My school is so dumb with computers (excluding the tech center) that I sometimes want to switch schools just because of that.

<X626> They give us NO freedom at all on them, either

<montgoej> well if you ever do switch, do it before the FBLA competition so I'll have one less person to compete against to get to nationals :)

<montgoej> I wanna go to chicago

<X626> I doubt I will place, actually.

<montgoej> you never know

<X626> Yeah, I know that. I still doubt it, though.

<montgoej> best of luck anyways, I want whoever is the best to represent KY, even if it isn't me

<X626> Thanks. Same to you.

<montgoej> And if you need any free, official Ubuntu CDs/stickers to give out, stop by me(I shouldn't be that hard to spot giving out CDs) and I can hook you up

<X626> I should be getting some Ubuntu CD's from shipit here soon. I'm also planning on giving them away to whoever I can.

<montgoej> I've got a box of 30...well about 24 or so now, but all the same, I've got a good amount

<X626> Wow. I only requested 10, I think.

<montgoej> I made a special request and they approved it

<X626> I figured that.

<montgoej> someone did the same and didn't get approved, I don't remember who it was though

<X626> I look forward to the state competition a lot more this year than last (mainly because I've done it before, I think).

<montgoej> what did you do last year?

<X626> Intro to Business

<X626> I didn't place, though.

<montgoej> ah, someone from our group did that, but didn't place

<montgoej> we had 8 people/groups to place in different competitions though

<X626> I have so much make up work to do for school, it's making me mad. I've missed for FBLA, tomorrow for SkillsUSA, and I missed Friday and Monday because I had a cold...

<montgoej> ouch...I hope I don't have too much

<X626> I've got the majority of it made up, luckily.

<montgoej> 2nd hour teacher said we were just taking notes so I can get those from someone, 3rd hour is STLP, we play Risk on the computers in there mostly, 4th is programming, that teacher is also the head of FBLA so he wasn't there either...1st hour is gonna be the only problem

<X626> My main problems are Honors Chemistry and Geometry.

<X626> I always have a lot of work in them.

<montgoej> I had geometry last year, but I don't have Chemistry til next year...our geometry teacher was nice and mostly made us take notes

<montgoej> at most one worksheet per day, about 5 or 10 minutes of work

<X626> Lucky.

<montgoej> I'm glad I'm outta pre-cal though, that teacher gave us about 3 pages of notes each day with about an hour of homework after that

<montgoej> I though I was gonna die in that class

<montgoej> if I missed a day in that class it would most definately not be good

<X626> Sounds like it.

<X626_> I hate dial-up! I got disconnected.

<montgoej> yeah, I'm over dial up now while I'm at my mom's

<montgoej> I've got DSL at my dad's

<X626_> I've got PeoplePC, they're not too bad a dial-up service.

<X626_> Anyway, I didn't want to seem rude by not coming back, but I've got to go to bed. Good night.

<montgoej> alright see ya

<Zuph> morning, glorious leader

<bkingx> Morning Zuph !!!

<bkingx> :P

<Zuph> bah

<Zuph> not you

<Zuph> you're unimportant :-p

<bkingx> Yeah, I know.... :(

<Zuph> Made a new post on the charity project

<etank> why LaTex

<Zuph> Makes it a lot easier to type up diagrams and math/science stuff

<Zuph> I know I could have made great use of it through middle/high school

<etank> do you think that middle/high school users will use it over open office

<etank> is there a good editor for LaTex now?

<Zuph> I've heard of a few but haven't had a chance to try them out a lot

<Zuph> and it isn't meant to replace openOffice, merely augment it

<Zuph> OpenOffice is great for simple word processing type jobs.

<etank> I am not disagreeing with you. Just curious.

<etank> i have no problem with it being there

<Zuph> I understand

<etank> i wish i could actually use it

<Zuph> Maybe instead of LaTEX I should have put on there "some generic math/science notation generator"

<Zuph> LaTEX is just the one I know.

<Zuph> that, and LaTEX is of negligable size, almost

<etank> true

<etank> brb

<Zuph> bkingx: quit that! :)

<bkingx> ???

<Zuph> all that logging on and logging off stuff

<Zuph> it's filling up the log with useless stuff :-P

<bkingx> LOL...trying to fix this daggon xchat minimize to tray thing.

<bkingx> I think I got it workign now.

<etank> bkingx: just a warning. I have heard that you can get blocked if you log off and on a lot.

<etank> that is what Vorian said at least

<bkingx> Cool

<bkingx> It should be stable now.

<bkingx> let me try minimizing now

<bkingx> Did that throw up msgs?

<etank> to us it looks like you are still minimized

<bkingx> You mean still logged off, or away?

<etank> no. just the screen is minimized

<Zuph> zuh?

<bkingx> Well, I am back to normal now.

<bkingx> No differences?

<etank> I'm just messing with you

<bkingx> I was wondering if you were on crack or something.

<etank> how could i see that your screen is minimized anyway

<bkingx> LOL

<etank> not crack CAFFINE

<bkingx> Me too!

<Zuph> brb, timezone updates

<bkingx> I ned to check on that today too.

<bkingx> I don't think it will be much of an issue for us.

<etank> brb

<Zuph> if you're running an exchange server, it fucks everything up

<etank> on linux do a

<etank> zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007

<etank> we had to do a group policy with reg updates for our win2k boxes

<etank> Zuph: should we merge the two charity threads into one

<bkingx> etank: So what are you guys doing? Pushing an update out via GP?

<etank> yep

<Zuph> etank: I don't know why

<etank> Zuph: well we have two threads going on the forum now. would it be better to have just one

<etank> you are the leader of that so I leave it to you

<etank> i am trying to add links to the approval application now so it came up

<Zuph> You're the forum administrator, so if you think it's cluttering things up, feel free to merge them. I was just thinking a new thread might drum up more initial interest.

<etank> which do you think is the main thread now?

<Zuph> The original.

<etank> in other words which would look better linked on the application?

<Zuph> The original

<etank> done

<Zuph> Does anyone know of a good internal instant messaging client? For an Intranet.

<EvilGold> write?

<EvilGold> lol

<EvilGold> actually you can setup a local jabber client pretty easy

<EvilGold> jabber server*

<EvilGold> but write is the coolest

<etank> what is write EvilGold

<EvilGold> you've never used write?

<EvilGold> Its old school IM

<etank> nope

<EvilGold> for the terminal

<etank> i did set up a jabber server at the last place i worked though

<etank> it was easy

<EvilGold> yeah its amazingly easy

<EvilGold> I thought it would have been harder

<etank> had to write a python script to add users though

<etank> didnt want them to be able to register thenselves

<Zuph> what's a good server to use?

<EvilGold> jabberd?

<Zuph> when editing the interfaces file, what do you have to put in for a DNS server?

<Zuph> wait a minute...

<Zuph> okay, I have an ubuntu server setup, and a Win2k3 DNS server setup. How do I configure the ubuntu server to look at the win2k3 DNS server for name resolution?

<jkeyes0> edit /etc/resolv.conf and put nameserver X.X.X.X in there.

<Zuph> Do I need to restart the networking service for that to take?

<jkeyes0> at least /etc/init.d/networking, possibly /etc/init.d/winbind.

<Zuph> anyone know a good free Jabber client that runs on windows?

<etank> gaim

<etank> do any of you know of a tool (like WSUS on windows) that can approve / push updates to Ubuntu machines on a doamin?

<Zuph> I was hoping for something a little simpler.

<etank> the only other one that i can think of is trillian

<Zuph> gaim it is!

<Zuph> or maybe miranda

<Zuph> I think Miranda has tighter integration with windows stuffs.

<etank> i've never used Miranda

<bonbonthejon> etank: you can set up each machine to automatically download and install updates, is that what you mean

<etank> bonbonthejon: i was really wondering if there was a way to approve, push, and verify the update

<bonbonthejon> etank: you can have the ubuntu server act as an apt repository, is that it?

<etank> i want to be able to see a report on the machines that are missing updates and the ones that are fully patched

<etank> kind of

<bonbonthejon> etank: oh, i dont know about that kind of reporting

<bkingx> And keep all machines from having to go to the Internet to get patches?

<bkingx> So a local Ubuntu Update Server

<bonbonthejon> bkingx: yeah, the server gets packages, then clients go to the server

<bkingx> ;)

<bkingx> Good stuff!

<etank> for instance, if i don't want to update the kernel version on the machines then I dont approve it on a server that the workstations are looking to

<etank> like WSUS on windows

<etank> but i want to be able to see what machines are not patched

<bonbonthejon> etank: have the machines all patch themselves automatically :)

<etank> it would be cool if update-manager could report that info to a central location

<etank> but how can you be sure that they are all updated if they are in remote locations

<bonbonthejon> etank: run a script that forces an update and an upgrade, I just wrote one this week, something like "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -f upgrade"

<bonbonthejon> etank: then maybe a script like "sudo dpkg -l > packages.txt" that lists the installed packages, which it can copy to a network drive

<etank> that will give a list of pachages but then you would have to compare that to what is available in the repos

<bonbonthejon> etank: and the server should be using the server kernels and the clients would be using generic, so I guess you could control that

<bonbonthejon> etank: if you have ssh installed on all the clients you could script so it logs in to each and updates, so you can watch the progres

<etank> that is good for a handful of machines. what about a large enterprise. say 300 workstations scattered across the state / world

<Zuph> etank: you'll need a good expense account and travel agent

<etank> :)

<etank> I think that something like what I am describing would help companies make a switch to Ubuntu (Linus in general)

<etank> Linus / Linux = whatever

<etank> same thing

<etank> going from machine to machine to run / verify updates would suck.

<bonbonthejon> etank: you can have the machines email the results

<etank> that could be a lot of emails to parse through

<etank> a web page would be nicer

<Zuph> my new server is hanging on file 64 or 64 :(

<etank> what are you installing?

<bonbonthejon> etank: here is an opensource network management system, http://www.opennms.org/index.php/Main_Page

<etank> just remembered / found again this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191858

<etank> this too http://cetico.org/nwu

<bonbonthejon> etank: that nwu looks pretty cool

<etank> once it is out of alpha it looks like it will do what i was looking for

<etank> this looks like it would be good too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/SmallBusinessServe

<etank> if the two were used together then it would be really nice

<bkingx> etank: any more ideas on this?

<bkingx> I agree..this is a big issue if large companies were to try and do this.

<bkingx> And if we are talking about complete replacement of Micro$oft, is there a replacement for active directory? And remember we are talking Open Source here, so no one recommend Novell.

<jkeyes0> openldap?

<etank> bkingx: Novell is opensource

<etank> at least Suse is

<etank> for the most part

<bkingx> but not the Novell part.

<bkingx> Novell is running on Suse, right?

<etank> Novel owns suse

<etank> suse is the linux distro that novell bought a while back

<bkingx> OK...so the OS is opensource, but what about the "Domain" stuff?

<etank> I don't know

<bkingx> Novell calls it something different...

<bkingx> Forest maybe?

<etank> are you thinking of the old Novell junk? like netware stuff?

<etank> <side note> have you looked at the application any more </side note>

<bkingx> Yeah...Netware

<bkingx> That's what I meant.

<bkingx> App looks good.

<etank> that is a different thing than the Linux side of Novell

<bkingx> OK...so Novell is the OS based on Linux, Netware is the app you have to buy that runs on Novell.

<bkingx> Did I get that right?

<etank> nope

<bkingx> SHIT!\

<etank> Novell is the company

<etank> they have two products

<etank> one based on the old netware junk

<bkingx> OK...now it's clear

<etank> the other is aSuse which they recently purchased

<etank> they are both OSs

<bkingx> OK...so back to the original question, what will replace AD for Linux?

<etank> like jkeyes0 said. openldap.

<bkingx> And soes it do as good a job as AD?

<bkingx> Group Policies and all

<etank> i have never used it myself

<etank> if would be fun to try though :)

<bkingx> I agree.

<bkingx> Maybe that can be nother IRL meeting.

<bkingx> Setup an openldap server etc.

<bkingx> Basically a mock-up of a network for a business.

<bonbonthejon> bkingx: Red Hat has some directory stuff that is supposed to be able to compete with AD

<bkingx> Really?

<bkingx> That would be cool!

<bkingx> Now if Ubuntu would get on that wagon.

<etank> can it be ported to ubuntu?

<bonbonthejon> I dont know much of anything about it, I just know of it

<etank> same here

<bkingx> Might be fun to try sometime.

<Zuph> anyone know of an easy guide to setting up a basic mail server?

<Zuph> the server doesn't need spam blocking, it doesn't need relay blocking, it doesn't need virus scan, it just needs to work.

<Zuph> It's going to be on an internal only network.

<etank> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.10

<jkeyes0> access denied?

<jkeyes0> ah, the . at the end didn't like me

<jkeyes0> btw, wasn't someone having problems with ISPconfig?

<etank> that would be venomous

<etank> he couldnt get it to work

<jkeyes0> I was reading that website you mentioned, etank, and it says something about linking /bin/sh to /bin/bash. he might just need to edit some of the scripts involved to say /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh..

<etank> that is because sh is actually linked to dash on ubuntu

<etank> you are right. that may help with his problem

<jkeyes0> yup. according to that server setup site, it says if you rm -f /bin/sh and ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh, it should fix it. I don't know about all that. I'd rather edit scripts...

<etank> me too

<etank> or you could just do bash ./something.sh instead of sh ./something.sh

<etank> i think that would work

<jkeyes0> I've tried that. if the script specified /bin/sh it overrides it

<jkeyes0> got to run to the other side of town and export tapes. fun times. be back shortly.

<Zuph> Sleepy.

<jkeyes0> sleepy indeed. headache too.

<etank> i agree with the headache part

<Zuph> okay

<Zuph> what in the world is the package name for the JRE?

<etank> sun-java5-jre

<Zuph> it isn't working

<Zuph> couldn't find package

<Zuph> all the repos are enabled

<etank> be back in a little while

<etank> time to head to the house

<jkeyes0> same here. later guys.

<bkingx> etank: Check to see if you can insert a pagebreak in a wiki for the print out of a wiki doc.

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