| <dsas> Norf-ubu: Hi, are you around? | |
| <Norf-ubu> <<< opens one eye | |
| <Norf-ubu> yeah - i'm here | |
| <dsas> Norf-ubu: That handy Skills page you made lists you as being DTP person...would you be interested in making a poster for guadec? | |
| <AndrewB> dsas: I am around. I am not great with artwork. | |
| <Norf-ubu> sure - got an URL for details and is there any existing artwork ? | |
| <dsas> http://guadec.org/ is about guadec. | |
| <dsas> http://guadec.org/taxonomy/term/128 has stuff used last year. | |
| <dsas> I think there may be a special font available too. | |
| <dsas> If anyone interested in contributing could join #gnome-uk the people there know more about it. | |
| <dsas> or will know more about what is wanted rather. | |
| <Norf-ubu> okey dokes - seems enough material there - what about content? if there's specifics you want included email me | |
| <dsas> Norf-ubu: I'm not sure about specifics, could I pass on your email address to someone who does? Or better yet you can chat on irc in #gnome-uk | |
| <Norf-ubu> no probs - email is daveubu@gmail.com and i'll pop my head in #gnome-uk | |
| <daviey> DaveMorris, ping | |
| <dsas> Calling all students! Calling all students! Would anyone be interested in promoting Gnome and Guadec at their universities? | |
| <dsas> Just putting up some posters and things, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-uk-list/2007-March/msg00000.html to start. | |
| <Norf-ubu> gimme chance! i've only put the guides on the page yet <grin> | |
| <dsas> Norf-ubu: heh, just trying to get people interested. | |
| <Norf-ubu> talking of interest, UKSkills took an upturn in entries this week | |
| <ubot3`> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Wednesday <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/141887.html> || Andrew Williams (Nik_Doof/AndrewWilliams): QEMU 0.8.2 with Multi-Interface patch <http://nikdoof.net/journal/qemu-082-with-multi-interface-patch> || Simon Elliot: Well hello <http://www.sionide.net/wp/?p=309> || Andrew Barber: Rain dance <http://www.libervis.com/blogs/23/AndrewB/rain_dance> || Jono Bacon: Borderline blow-back <http://www.j | |
| *** ubot3` is now known as ubot3 | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <stdin> woof | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <GazzaK> baaa | |
| <GazzaK> anyone got home automation :-) | |
| <popey> friend of mine has | |
| <popey> mister house or whatever they call i | |
| <popey> it | |
| <GazzaK> I'm thinking of spending too much on it all | |
| <GazzaK> thats bad isn't it | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <GazzaK> but.... If I get funky remote light switches (already got them btw) then the next step is remote X10 power sockets for the uplighters? | |
| <GazzaK> and then X10 controllers for all the other lights.... | |
| <GazzaK> and then X10 for the kettle :p | |
| <popey> mate of mine has all that and an lcd remote control | |
| <popey> remote angel or something | |
| <popey> 500 quid for the remote alone | |
| <popey> its quite sweet - you can load all the channel ident logos into it so you can easily find channels to turn tv/amp/decoder over | |
| *** stdin_ is now known as stdin | |
| *** stdin_ is now known as stdin | |
| <popey> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/03/the-truth-about-staying.html :) | |
| <popey> made me chuckle a little | |
| <popey> morning jono | |
| <jono> hey | |
| <jayteeuk> Morning all. | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <jayteeuk> Baa | |
| <popey> the dns for ubuntu-uk should be sorted thanks to X3N now | |
| <popey> so ubuntu-uk.org and www.ubuntu-uk.org now point to the right place | |
| <jayteeuk> Nice work X3N. :) | |
| <selinuxium_> hi everyone, i am having a little trouble with a winbloze laptop drive. I have stuck it in a cradle and want to delete the SAM file. But it is saying the drive is read only | |
| <popey> unsurprising | |
| <popey> it is probably NTFS | |
| <popey> write support for NTFS is flaky in some versions of Linux/Ubuntu | |
| <loudmouthman> grrr okay im here for a minute but I need to rant. the "other" it company for a client have told them that MYSQL is a Front for Access and its not a real SQL Server. The client doesnt care they just want stuff that works but its frustrating when the IT companies fog the issues to cover their own inadequacies! | |
| <loudmouthman> incidientally this rant is much more impressive when viewed here in my office ! | |
| <loudmouthman> oh morning all. | |
| <selinuxium_> popey: I am running edgy... | |
| <popey> heheh morning loudmouthman | |
| * selinuxium_ nods sagely at loudmouthman's rant | |
| <loudmouthman> im so incensed with anger that id even put up with listening to a adam curry podcast ! | |
| <jayteeuk> Morning loudmouthman. | |
| <jayteeuk> I feel your pain. | |
| <loudmouthman> right im off to a better client . laters ! | |
| <selinuxium_> popey: I thought edgy has ntfs support? i could do via a M$ box but i think that is cheating... | |
| <popey> yes, but i believe it mounts read-only by default | |
| <popey> you can probably remount it read-write | |
| <jayteeuk> AIUI NTFS write support is still very experimental. | |
| <selinuxium_> popey: i have checked mount and it is mounted RW | |
| <selinuxium_> damn, i am going to have to use a m$ box aren't I. GRRrrrrr! | |
| <gord> mornin' fellows, I trust this be a merry day for thou | |
| <Seeker`> lo | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Any luck with your python? | |
| <popey> not really looked at it for a couple of days | |
| <popey> I am prepping for a massive blog post :) | |
| <popey> two in fact | |
| <jayteeuk> Massive as in very long, or massive as in very significant? | |
| <popey> maybe not very | |
| <popey> but long and significant for me | |
| <gord> or massive as in 'yo homes! this be da #ubuntu UK massive!' | |
| <popey> "mutha!" | |
| <Seeker`> ...# | |
| * popey gets down with his bad self | |
| <gord> we are so cool! | |
| <Seeker`> or, to put it another way, you are so uncool :P | |
| <jayteeuk> We is bad*ss. | |
| <GazzaK> yo home boys | |
| <jayteeuk> Yo GazzaK. | |
| * jayteeuk signs up for the Launchpad Beta Testers team. | |
| <gord> for some reason the feisty epiphany likes to put red squiggly lines under half the words I type but does not offer the correct spelling... its like some guy is standing behind me going 'you spelt that one wrong' every three words | |
| <xanthia> Does anyone know any good resources that might help me plan a good partition strategy for a new Ubuntu install? | |
| <gord> 7gb root install, 7gb home install, rest for storage does the trick for me | |
| <DaveMorris> if its a server I put var and logs seperate as well | |
| <DaveMorris> so rouge logs don't fubar your system | |
| <jayteeuk> This is actually the first install where I havne't bothered with a partitioning scheme. | |
| <popey> i rarely partition up an install | |
| <DaveMorris> my home machine has a /multimedia and /users parations but they are sepearte HDD's | |
| <xanthia> Well my system is a bit more complicated that that kindof. 2 disks, hda and sda (new). Winxp on the while of hda (10gb C and the rest D). I've moved boot priority to sda for grub (so if sda fails I can boot hda for winxp ok) and will put ubuntu on sda...probaly making room for swap on hda by reclaiming some space :o | |
| <jayteeuk> Normally I have a 100M partition for /boot then have /, /home, /var and on one machine I think I also have /usr and /opt | |
| <xanthia> sda is 230gb (formatted) so I'll probaly use some of that for swap/scratch use in windows too. Oh and I'll be using cedega for games in linux so will need a beefy /home ! | |
| <gord> boooo cedega >:( | |
| * gord points the finger of shame | |
| <xanthia> Well games are the only reason I've not switched fully to linus before.....so for me it's the killer app that means I can switch full time | |
| <DaveMorris> wine does my games | |
| <xanthia> Tried before but just never ended up booting linux up....so yea cedega is not open source......but if it gets me using linux... | |
| <DaveMorris> and now I have a Wii to play with as well | |
| <xanthia> I'll be runnign oblivion, hl2, city of heroes.... so will need cedega for directx | |
| <gord> cedega is 'open source', its just a nasty little company that steals source code from other people who do actually have fully free software | |
| <gord> oblivion works in wine I know for definate | |
| <DaveMorris> why can't more games companys make use of opengl rather than direct x | |
| <gord> I think hl2 is offically supported by crossover linux, city of heroes I don't know | |
| <DaveMorris> CS works fine on my wine | |
| <gord> no one is paying game companys big money to force them to use opengl DaveMorris, someone is for directx | |
| <DaveMorris> don't the consoles make use of opengl cards etc? | |
| <xanthia> If I can get them working without cedega all the better. But knowing its there is enough to make me finally switch pretty much permanantly....though I'll still have a hd pretty much dedicated to winxp | |
| <xanthia> I'd imagine xbox was directx too | |
| <popey> \o/ no windows in my house | |
| <popey> \o/ games on linux | |
| <gord> opengl works on pretty much all the consoles DaveMorris | |
| <GazzaK> lol - * FIR|3| (i=fire@your.m0m.was.so.hot.I.blew.my.load.on.her-face.com) has joined #gaygeeks - so tempting to kick him out, just for the offensive hostmask! | |
| <xanthia> it was a pentium 733 with 64mb ram and an ati gfx card anyway | |
| <Seeker`> !ohmy | |
| <ubot3> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | |
| <Seeker`> :P | |
| <Seeker`> ubot3?! | |
| <xanthia> hmmm, so if I do ~10Gb for /, 100Mb for /boot and 50-90Gb /home. That leaves me about 130Gb free to play with on my sata drive | |
| <popey> \o/ lvm | |
| <xanthia> Is there any way I can give a preference of which swap partition to use if I have 2? | |
| <gord> just mount one in fstab instead of 2 | |
| <xanthia> works for me :) | |
| <popey> xanthia: change the priority | |
| <popey> in fstab | |
| <xanthia> even better :) | |
| <popey> pri=1 fo one | |
| <popey> pri=2 for other | |
| <popey> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/setting_up_swap.html#multiple_swap_areas | |
| <popey> "This configuration would cause the kernel to use /dev/hda6 first. it has the highest priority assigned to it (pri=3). The maximum priority can be 32767 and the lowest 0. If that space were to max out, the kernel would start using /dev/hdb2, and on to /dev/hdc2 after that. Why such a configuration? Imagine that the newest (fastest) drives are given the highest priority. This will minimize speed loss as swap space usage grows." | |
| <gord> popey, you think it would be a good idea to have subtitles included with the screencasts? it doesn't seem very 'ubuntu' to not have them | |
| <popey> we talked about this in the meeting gord | |
| <popey> "no" was the short answer | |
| <popey> but potentially we could create a transcript which could go along with the screencast | |
| <xanthia> ty popey, look like that's what I need. | |
| <gord> hmm | |
| <gord> ubuntu-uk meetings are always when Im at work | |
| <jayteeuk> You work nights gord? | |
| <gord> evenings | |
| <popey> gord: this was talked about at a screencast meeting not an ubuntu-uk one | |
| <jayteeuk> I do have a lot to be thankful for. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> wb | |
| <gord> xorg died, or my graphics card died... or something, it only ever happens when Im tired enough not to check it out | |
| <daviey> Hmm, i have received an email in evolution that the sender has pgp encoded and as far as i can see, has attached the key as an attachment. I understand evolution doesn't support this method - is there any way i can read it? | |
| <daviey> Evolution won't let me export/save the message | |
| <popey> i can decrypt gpg encrypted mail in evolution just fine | |
| <daviey> popey, with the key attached instead? | |
| <popey> i don't have my evolution with me here, but yeah, I think so | |
| <popey> maybe not | |
| * popey shrugs :) | |
| <daviey> okay, i just thought i read it was a bug - i can't be certain tho | |
| <popey> ditto, without trying it | |
| <daviey> anyway, i'm wrong anyway. Seems to be quirk with the IMAP protocal. Just logged into 'webmail' and it appears fine! | |
| <daviey> The email appears like "0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAA"... In evolution. But in reality it's just plain text. How odd | |
| <gord> I bet they changed something in the matrix daviey | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Open Streetmap <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/142134.html> | |
| <daviey> gord, when will the matrix realise that they need to stick to ratified protocols aswell, eh? Anyway, i pick bill pill | |
| <jayteeuk> Does Nautilus use the filename extension to determine file type? | |
| <gord> it does at first but when you navigate into the directory/click on the file it will actually look at the file and determine what it is that way | |
| <jayteeuk> I never realised before. I just found a "PQSERVICE" partition on my hard drive which I think contains the Acer eRecovery software. | |
| <jayteeuk> It looks like a standard MS-DOS installation, and there's a file xcopy32.mod that's described by Nautilus as "Amiga SoundTracker audio". | |
| <gord> well that one is figured out by its filename ;) | |
| <jayteeuk> Definitely. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> I wish I'd noticed this partition before -- I bet I could have used it to flash my BIOS instead of borrowing a floppy drive. | |
| <jayteeuk> I wonder how I boot it though. | |
| <gord> same way you get grub to boot dos I would assume? you could always try running it in qemu first just incase or som't | |
| <daviey> My laptop has two 'On' buttons - one for booting the 'secret' partition and one for main. Sadly i didn't realise this until after i fdisk'd... No idea how to use the button now :( | |
| * LoudMouthMan still fumes . but afternoon all. | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <popey> what laptop daviey ? | |
| <daviey> hmm | |
| <daviey> wait 1 | |
| <daviey> it's badged novatech, but trying to remember the real manuf' | |
| <gord> wooo working lunch talking bout open source -_- | |
| <popey> ooo | |
| <daviey> popey, Uniwill X72IA6 | |
| <gord> woot link to ubuntu.com -_- | |
| <Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan | |
| <LoudMouthMan> bugger missed it! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey Seeker` | |
| <gord> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/5170354.stm <--- check in a bit for the online version of the program with the open source bit -_- | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wippeeee goodo gord. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I need some better news . what with muppet support company misleading my client. | |
| <daviey> gord, i thought you meant a "Lunch and Learn" at work - i hate those | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ahh lunch and learn the crap way to ensure staff resent training . | |
| <DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: What theysaying now? | |
| <DaveMorris> use Windows | |
| <apokryphos> !info katapult | |
| <ubot3> katapult: item launcher for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.1.3-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 335 kB, installed size 2804 kB | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yep <grin> oh and Access 2003 will fix the problemsthey have in access 2000. They started this project 1 year ago and the project is tiny .the whole thing is just 4 main screens. | |
| <apokryphos> working ;-) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> !info cluestick | |
| <DaveMorris> Acess I hate that thing | |
| <ubot3> Package cluestick does not exist in edgy | |
| <apokryphos> you can also use !find to find packages | |
| <apokryphos> !find amarok | |
| <ubot3> Found: amarok-engines, amarok, amarok-xine | |
| * popey notes as amusing what search term someone used to find ubuntu-uk :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> anyway I called pale purple and passed him the client as a lead . if the client wants to get better development advice thay can speak to Dave and co. | |
| <popey> "loudmouth in office" | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ahha ! | |
| * LoudMouthMan would like to know the search terms if we can have them on a regular basis id be interested. | |
| <popey> http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/usage/ | |
| <popey> http://ubuntu-uk.org/usage/ | |
| <popey> help yourself | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I did , thanks, though referrers and agent is there theres no search ! | |
| <popey> search? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> as in search terms . | |
| <popey> there is | |
| <popey> thats how i found the one i quoted above | |
| <popey> ubuntu-uk not planet | |
| <gord> "free ios emulator"? o_O | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <popey> bonkers | |
| <gord> I don't even understand the word infrogmation | |
| <popey> I once had someone find popey.com using the term "swedish bikini team" | |
| <LoudMouthMan> my bad .. well spotted .. cheers | |
| <popey> np | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i kept getting carpets until i discovered butlerhouse.co.uk was a carpet seller. | |
| <popey> i will likely password protect those pages actually | |
| <popey> in fact, will do that now | |
| <gord> booo | |
| <popey> but the user/pass will be in the dialog :) | |
| <popey> so robots cant find it but you can | |
| <LoudMouthMan> nice, excellent. thanks. | |
| <gord> yay | |
| <popey> can you try those urls again | |
| <daviey> winsucks ;) | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> it works then? | |
| <daviey> yes sir | |
| <popey> groovy | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeppers. | |
| <popey> it only updates once a day, but we get fuck all traffic tbh | |
| <popey> 30 visits a day to the planet of which 7-10 are me | |
| <daviey> I'm just glad it doesn't show refer->IP :P | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> of course, we can get that :) | |
| <gord> fun, working lunch program is up. Ill post on the mailing list once they cut up the video so the open source bit is easy to get to | |
| <gord> I just click the planet links that appear in irc | |
| <popey> i have 8 planets in bookmarks that i open daily | |
| <popey> maybe 2-3 times a day | |
| <gord> no rss? | |
| <popey> planet ubuntu, gnome, hants, strugglers, ubuntu-uk, ubuntu-users, debian and lugradio | |
| <popey> yeah, i use rss too but not everywhere | |
| <Seeker`> pfft, i dont know, people of today. When I was younger, we actually have to visit websites to view updates. | |
| <daviey> and we had to hit refresh! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so .. who here is watching kill it cook it eat it ! | |
| <gord> ugh... I turned into a news story half way though about some guy and girl who the german goverment keep taking their babys away from them and found myself nodding along going 'yes, its not fair that they have their kids taken away!' then at the end it mentioned that they were brother and sister >_< | |
| <DaveMorris> I read about that yesterday | |
| <LoudMouthMan> eep ! cue banjo music. | |
| <DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: Whats your email again? | |
| <gord> supermassive black hole is one of the coolest names for som't in the sky.. n also for an album | |
| <DaveMorris> Muse don't do much for me | |
| <Seeker`> Muse are good | |
| <Seeker`> as are Iron Maiden | |
| <DaveMorris> IM are good | |
| <DaveMorris> Muse I found where too mellow | |
| * LoudMouthMan watches Kill it, cook it , eat it and its brilliant , just fantastic . im really enjoying it from a meat preperation point of view. | |
| <DaveMorris> seen then once or twice at Reading | |
| <DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: I PM'ed you instead | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: you must have mentioned that program 7 or 8 times in the lasat 48 hours | |
| <gord> I don't watch bbc3 all that much n I like the idea of dissociating food from animals, I know how they are killed n its not pleasent but I still want to be able to eat me tea | |
| <DaveMorris> I feel sorry for LoudMouthMan cats | |
| * popey shudders at the thought of *that* kitten video from some years ago | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker`heeh only twice now .I think but i will check . | |
| <DaveMorris> twice in 1/2hr | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah thats all . imjust watching the pork one now. ( whilst eating me chicken ) . its amazing how direct and plain the process is. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> im mostly interested in how to prepare an skin the relevant animals having only prepared fish, chicken and rabbit. | |
| <DaveMorris> what animals do they do? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Cow, Sheep, Pig I dont know what the next one will be . | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: I think you also mentioned it in PM the other night | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I do believe though that this is something we should all be able to access and understand and not hide away from because its a part of life cycle. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> did I ? gosh . . sorry . just really enjoying the show its . smart! | |
| <Seeker`> hehe | |
| <popey> said it before, say it again | |
| <popey> "Too much telly" | |
| <xanthia> Do they have an rss feed on this telly thing? :p | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heheh telly on , plus website , plus delivery received, plus chat . | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <DaveMorris> sounds like hard work | |
| <popey> irc plus compiling, cvs checking out, eating lunch | |
| * popey is just jealous | |
| <DaveMorris> pokes Nik with a stick over PM | |
| <popey> open office here means no telly | |
| <popey> oooo | |
| * popey gets his mp3 player out | |
| <DaveMorris> mp3 player, compling, coding, irc | |
| <DaveMorris> s/compling/compiling | |
| <LoudMouthMan> what it does show is that really fresh fresh fresh meat is much better quality and taste and texture than meat thats a few days old. ( unless its jugged hare!) | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah meat at tesco meat counter is crap | |
| <LoudMouthMan> mr Morris . .you PM wont work mate I dont think youve registered your nick ! sorry. | |
| <DaveMorris> cheers nick | |
| <DaveMorris> !ohmy | |
| <ubot3> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | |
| <DaveMorris> my bad | |
| <xanthia> every tried getting fish caught that day from a fish market? :) | |
| * LoudMouthMan buys all his meat from the local butchers and knows where he meat is farmed locally . | |
| <DaveMorris> I worked for 4 yrs on tesco fish/meat counters and its never fresh or anything | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh yes . | |
| <xanthia> yea, had a great argement with the shop owner about his fish not being fresh :O | |
| <LoudMouthMan> salmon on day zero is far more rich and succulent | |
| <DaveMorris> dear lazy web, how do I register a nik | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but we do loose so many basic skills in life by being so far removed from the source. | |
| * LoudMouthMan waits for the popey-fact-ogram. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> cause hes always got all the links on hand at short notice and its scarrry | |
| <gord> I generally buy my meat in food form, a combination of me setting the oven on fire if I attempt to cook and eat food just being som't that gets in the way of other stuff leads to fish fingers and steemed veg galore | |
| <DaveMorris> 90% of the people my age I know can't gut fish, or even do basic prepration on meet | |
| <DaveMorris> they buy the pre diced stuff etc | |
| <popey> /msg nickserv help | |
| <LoudMouthMan> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration | |
| <GazzaK> /msg nickserv register help | |
| <gord> /ns register <password> | |
| <gord> ha, mine is the best! | |
| <GazzaK> arghhh popey beat me | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gazzak .. you wish ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hehehe | |
| <GazzaK> haha | |
| * GazzaK likes to know where his meat is at too :-) | |
| <popey> oi! | |
| <GazzaK> I've just had the bestest drive out, lovely weather, top down, it's coldish too, so more broooom brooom :-))))) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> nice ! | |
| <gord> and hey, with all the carbon dioxide you put out we get more lovely weather, huzzarhs are in order! | |
| <gord> :P | |
| <GazzaK> gord, hehe | |
| <GazzaK> it's very good on emissions actually | |
| <GazzaK> and scary, the mpg is not too bad, especially since I drive like I stole it | |
| <DaveMorris> /msg nickserv set unfiltered on | |
| <LoudMouthMan> not that you you wont . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> not that way even ! | |
| <gord> I wish all these files on freesound.org wern't in wav format, its criminally inefficient! | |
| <selinuxium_> hi all. how difficult is it to change the 'name' of my computer. I remember doing it some time ago and it would no longer boot... | |
| <popey> the hostname? | |
| <popey> is it a desktop or server? | |
| <selinuxium_> desktop | |
| <popey> go to the network applet thing in system --> administration | |
| <popey> it has a field where you put the hostname | |
| <popey> put it in, and then you really need to reboot | |
| <popey> dont try to carry on using it | |
| <selinuxium_> ok | |
| <LoudMouthMan> davemorris i got your email . i'll go see what projects I have on and let you know . | |
| <daviey> couldn't you just restart networking or dbus? | |
| <popey> no daviey | |
| <daviey> okay | |
| <selinuxium_> Back in 5 :) | |
| <DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: cheers, I can do some labouring during the summer again but its more tirying and dosen't help me long term | |
| <daviey> geez, if a website is going to have a 'demo' then it needs to work! http://demo.webical.org | |
| * Seeker` wonders if he should do a LotR marathon | |
| <gord> I blame the use of java instead of python | |
| <gord> http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=13691 <-- if thats dolphin sounds then the clangers are violating copyright! | |
| <selinuxium_> Cheers, all sorted | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: I live in the, err, blank bit <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/142339.html> | |
| <selinuxium_> ok you gurus you... Can you give me a hand creating a quick and dirty program. i want to periodically run hcitool scan and copy unique ids to a text file. | |
| <selinuxium_> i figured having two files, the tmp and the data, run hcitools to produce tmp and run diff or similar on data to update? | |
| <gord> hcitool scan | grep <regular expresion go here> and have cron run it or som't? | |
| <Seeker`> its too quiet... | |
| * jayteeuk wakes up | |
| <GazzaK> hey Seeker` | |
| <GazzaK> afternoon | |
| <GazzaK> it's nice outside, why am I here? | |
| <DaveMorris> because of work? | |
| <GazzaK> oh yeah, money.... | |
| <Seeker`> lo GazzaK | |
| <Seeker`> no spoken to you in a while | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, is that 'cos I is xxxxxxx | |
| <popey> mental, yes | |
| <daviey> How can the ieee website be sooo slow | |
| <gord> ieeee? is that the website for crazy bats? | |
| <daviey> The institute of SLOW | |
| * popey awaits the completion of the 17th kernel compile of the last 24 hours to finish | |
| <popey> only another ~26 to go! :D | |
| <Seeker`> popey: why so many? | |
| <popey> testing | |
| <gord> if at first you don't succeed, try again 42 times? | |
| <popey> speed testing | |
| <popey> BOO VOO DOO! | |
| <VooDoo> good afternoon :) | |
| <popey> the fastst kernel build I have had is 33 mins, slowest so far is 484 mins :) | |
| <gord> compiled on a ZXspectrum? :P | |
| <VooDoo> zx81 :) | |
| <jayteeuk> No, that was popey manually moving the beads on his abacus. | |
| <popey> the 33 mins was on a core2duo | |
| <popey> the 484 mins was well. you will find out when I write it up | |
| <popey> this is a full ubuntu desktop kernel build - so metric shedloads of modules to compile | |
| <jayteeuk> Oh, keep us in suspenders will you? | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> its quite good fun this | |
| <daviey> popey, can you sneak in lirc support? | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> its not for productive use | |
| <popey> just testing the compilation process speed | |
| <daviey> oh :( | |
| <Norf-ubu> g'day | |
| <jayteeuk> Hi Norf-ubu. :) | |
| <daviey> Norf-ubu, you were up and down alot overnight eh? | |
| <Norf-ubu> yeah - installed the lastest updates for HERD 5 and caused me a minor headache | |
| <gord> and when you were up you were up? and when you were down you were down? and when you were only half way up you were neither up nor down? | |
| <Norf-ubu> still getting HAL initialisation probs unless i wait a min @ the login prompt | |
| <daviey> gord, i nearly said in and out like a....... but i didn't know how to finish the sentence | |
| <Norf-ubu> fiddlers elbow ? | |
| <gord> Im sure GazzaK will daviey | |
| <Norf-ubu> actually - while there's some live bods in here - www.guadec2007.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Jono Bacon: Another nugget of wisdom for you all <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=915> | |
| <xanthia> and you wonder why the americans call them 'boogers' :) | |
| <daviey> Norf-ubu, you going for the whole time? | |
| <Norf-ubu> i have no plans too as yet - i'm "between jobs" at the mo - so that take precedence | |
| <Norf-ubu> i'd like to pop along though and meet up with a few faces in here | |
| <daviey> we could sign keys! | |
| <daviey> oh how much fun | |
| <Norf-ubu> mmmmmmmm spiffing fun <grin> | |
| <Norf-ubu> well the shower, wire brush n dettol calls - so back in 20 | |
| <daviey> Norf-ubu, your that dirty? | |
| <Norf-ubu> I smell like the front row of a Val Doonican Concert :| | |
| <daviey> Ahhh, your a student | |
| <Norf-ubu> a student of life... 37 and still not grown up | |
| <Norf-ubu> brb | |
| <gord> anyone who says they went to the university of life should be shot, twice, in the ear | |
| <gord> with a fork | |
| <Seeker`> s/fork/spork | |
| <daviey> Do you reckon he went to the Uni of life and skipt all the lectures? | |
| <popey> \o/ sporks! | |
| <popey> gord: why? | |
| <gord> its just one of those phrases that bugs me | |
| <jayteeuk> I don't remember seeing the University of Life in my UCAS brochure. | |
| <Norf-ubu> <grins> i didnt go to Uni, and landed in a job... | |
| <Norf-ubu> mixed blessings, but still | |
| <daviey> Norf-ubu, your wanted in #gnome-uk - if you had gone to uni - you would know that ;) | |
| <Norf-ubu> d'oh - slaps forehead | |
| <jayteeuk> You learned that at the University of Homer Simpson, right? | |
| <popey> i never went to uni either | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Tories give pro open source speech <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/142842.html> || Toby Smithe: Tories join the Green Party <http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2007/03/08/tories-join-the-green-party/> | |
| <daviey> I learnt a valuable lesson today.... don't 'test' "Power On Lan" from a remote location | |
| <DaveMorris> lol | |
| <goblimey> why , what happened daviey | |
| <popey> ? | |
| <daviey> I halt'd - then tried sending a magic cookie. No Cigar | |
| <daviey> Wake on lan rather | |
| <xanthia> Power on Lan over the internet could have been interesting if you HAD been testing that though ;) | |
| <daviey> that's tomorrows's project | |
| <xanthia> 300W over an internet connection? ;) | |
| <GazzaK> woo hometime \o/ | |
| <tsmithe> \·/ | |
| <jayteeuk> popey, was it the EVA 700 you recommended to me the other day? | |
| <jayteeuk> Hometime. :) | |
| <daviey> parttimer | |
| <DaveMorris> wb LoudMouthMan | |
| <popey> jayteeuk: not me | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Phil Bull: Ubuntu Documentation for Feisty Fawn <http://philbull.livejournal.com/25167.html> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey peeps. | |
| <popey> evening all | |
| <LoudMouthMan> evening popey | |
| <Norf-ubu> g'day | |
| <apokryphos> intereting about the conservatives | |
| <Seeker`> mornin | |
| <apokryphos> it's on their main website too http://www.conservatives.com/ | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hm well ive been saying that fOSS provides a USP to manufacturersI guess it does to the Parties as well. And they can court a large group of potential voters . After all no one gets voted supporting Gates . | |
| <apokryphos> he talks about wikis and myspace; hah, funny to hear it coming from a politician | |
| <treb0r> well, for the first time in my life I find myself agreeing with a tory politician | |
| <popey> thats what they're trying to do | |
| <treb0r> i know | |
| <popey> get more and more people to think "well, actually, I agree with that fool" | |
| <popey> on minor issues | |
| <popey> which are major to loonies like us | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Evening all. | |
| <popey> lo jayteeuk | |
| <treb0r> it's like zack goldsmith - editor of the ecologist magazine, tory mp candidate | |
| <jayteeuk> How's tricks? | |
| <jayteeuk> Mr Osborne's comments causing a bit of a stir I see. | |
| <treb0r> yep - I was just saying i found myself agreeing with a tory politician for the first time in my life.. | |
| <treb0r> i bet dave cameron is lurking in this channel :) | |
| <jayteeuk> I haven't read the whole article yet, but from what I have read thus far I'm in the same boat. | |
| <treb0r> it's a strange feeling | |
| <jayteeuk> Maybe we should write to Gordon Brown and tell him. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Dear Gordon, We agree with this Tory bloke. What are you going to do about it? Love, us. | |
| <treb0r> he'll be lurking here soon too, at this rate :) | |
| <treb0r> i like to think that traditional politics have been deprecated. | |
| <jayteeuk> Well, having read the article on the Conservatives' website, I have to say I whole-heartedly agree with the comments. | |
| <jayteeuk> I don't trust the motives or the promise of change, but I agree with what he's said. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> the really important point is ... people are talking about open source on some level in a public forum ,here butlers maxim is true ; Half of something is better than all of nothing . | |
| <jayteeuk> Agreed. It's put the subject out into the public view. | |
| <treb0r> agreed. have you seen the comments from hp today? it really feels that things are finally afoot with free software | |
| <jayteeuk> Which comments treb0r? | |
| <jayteeuk> I guess that means "no". :) | |
| <treb0r> http://www.crn.com/hardware/197800591 | |
| <treb0r> :) | |
| <jamesbrose> woah, you guys ever used Innotek VirtualBox?! | |
| <jamesbrose> Its amazing! | |
| <treb0r> what is it? | |
| <jamesbrose> Like a free version of vmware workstation | |
| <jamesbrose> but its just better :D | |
| <treb0r> their website is very slow | |
| <treb0r> hmm. looks interesting. are you running it on ubuntu? | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> i am using vbox right now :) | |
| <popey> installing feisty in it | |
| <popey> it is very fast | |
| <treb0r> what is the host OS? | |
| <popey> Guess | |
| <tsmithe> popey, see vbox is good :) | |
| <treb0r> edgy? | |
| <popey> i have been using vbox for some time | |
| <popey> feisty :) | |
| <tsmithe> popey, indeed | |
| <treb0r> !! | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> doing some testing | |
| <jamesbrose> woops sorry about that | |
| <popey> yes jamesbrose I am using vbox :) | |
| <jamesbrose> yes, i'm running it now on both suse and ubuntu | |
| <jamesbrose> its great | |
| <popey> vmware-- | |
| <popey> vbox++ | |
| <jamesbrose> How do you get 'out' of the guest's screen? :/ | |
| <popey> press the right control key | |
| <popey> as it says in the window | |
| <jamesbrose> ive got xp on it | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <jamesbrose> vista looks much better on it then it does in real life :P | |
| <popey> vista blows goats | |
| <popey> I have proof | |
| <jamesbrose> ha | |
| <jamesbrose> where? | |
| <popey> oh, places, places | |
| <jamesbrose> i see | |
| <popey> did you compile vbox from source or use the package from the website jamesbrose ? | |
| <jamesbrose> i used a package | |
| <popey> tsk tsk | |
| <popey> non free ;) | |
| <jamesbrose> ubuntu it was easy, suse took a bit of googling for lib's | |
| <treb0r> a friend of mine just bought a cheap low end dell laptop with vista, it's hilariously bad. when she complained they said 'you need more ram'! two days after they sold it to her.. | |
| <popey> </unsurprised> | |
| <treb0r> she was asking me about ubuntu | |
| <treb0r> so i told her to come up and see me sometime ;) | |
| <popey> no, go and see her! :) | |
| <Norf-ubu> boo - anyone here intending to go to GUADEC ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> 2 things that still suprise me about vista .. 1 ) you still reboot when you join a domain / workgroup and 2) theres no ability to remote manage , support and forward connections as you can in MAC and Linux stuff. | |
| <jayteeuk> Norf-ubu: I'm considering it. | |
| <popey> i was going to, but decided not to Norf-ubu | |
| * LoudMouthMan plans to | |
| <Norf-ubu> well the more the merrier... | |
| <Norf-ubu> be nice to put some faces to text | |
| * treb0r is a recovering kde user who might fin it all to much. | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Norf-ubu: Just check out my Launchpad page. :) | |
| <Norf-ubu> will do - just decided to go grab a beer or 3.... bah! these damn phonecalls asking me to be civil n go drinking... | |
| <jamesbrose> popey, is it possible to go full screen in vbox? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> ctrl+alt+f iirc | |
| <popey> its on the VM menu | |
| <jamesbrose> ah danka | |
| <treb0r> i just bought a set of devolo homeplug adaptors, and they came with linux configuration software! and they rock! | |
| <treb0r> no more crappy wireless for me | |
| <jamesbrose> how fast are they? | |
| <treb0r> 200mbit | |
| <treb0r> fast enough | |
| <jamesbrose> yeah! | |
| <treb0r> and i can plug in anywhere in the house.. | |
| <jamesbrose> how much are they? | |
| <treb0r> i think about £120 + vat from dabs | |
| <jamesbrose> ah | |
| <treb0r> thats for two | |
| <treb0r> they cost £70 each separately.. | |
| <jamesbrose> you need one on one end, and one on the other? | |
| <popey> and your neighbours, 3 doors down can see your traffic :) | |
| <jamesbrose> haha | |
| <jamesbrose> I guess if they are on the same line ? | |
| <treb0r> my neighbours are not that geeky | |
| <popey> same phase | |
| <jamesbrose> ya never know | |
| <popey> usually every third house is on the same phase | |
| <popey> your immediate neighbours wont be | |
| <popey> doesnt always work like that tho | |
| <treb0r> i'm not sure how it works - but I had to enter the security codes for each one before they would work | |
| <treb0r> i wonder if you could sniff traffic using one next door, without the security code | |
| <jamesbrose> they input into your computer via ethernet right? | |
| <treb0r> yep - each one has an ethernet port | |
| <popey> i was considering getting some | |
| <popey> have you set them up? they work okay? | |
| <treb0r> i have one connected to a switch which is connected to my adsl router | |
| <jamesbrose> too expensive for me | |
| <treb0r> yep, they're the best thing i've bought for ages | |
| <popey> you could unplug one and take it with you to another room then? | |
| <popey> if you had a laptop for example | |
| <treb0r> you can get much cheaper ones that work at half the speed, which is probably fast enough | |
| <jamesbrose> without configuring it again.. | |
| <treb0r> that's what I'm doing right now | |
| <popey> heheh | |
| <jamesbrose> sweet | |
| <treb0r> you just plug it in, and the sync light comes on in about 3 seconds | |
| <popey> so you pick a pin number and tell it to each plug thing? | |
| <popey> and it uses that to encrypt the data or something I guess | |
| * popey shrugs | |
| <jamesbrose> sounds pretty neet | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <treb0r> each plug has a code on the back, which you need to enter into the configuration software | |
| <jamesbrose> and once you've done it on that pc, thats it ? | |
| <popey> and you say it comes with linux config software? | |
| <treb0r> yes! | |
| <popey> nice | |
| <jamesbrose> lol questionsquestionsquestions | |
| <popey> thats pretty cool | |
| <jamesbrose> very | |
| <treb0r> it has tux on the box too :) | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> take photos | |
| <popey> write a review | |
| <treb0r> the times they are a changin | |
| <popey> blog it! | |
| <jamesbrose> haha | |
| <jamesbrose> digg it! | |
| <popey> seriously | |
| <treb0r> good idea | |
| <popey> I would like to read it | |
| <treb0r> i will | |
| <tsmithe> i would also | |
| <popey> test bandwidth with iperf | |
| <popey> mind you | |
| <popey> if it says 200Mb/s | |
| <popey> and your hub is 100Mb/s :) | |
| <treb0r> ok. i have a blog here http://treb0r.net. I'll stick something up tomorrow.. | |
| <popey> you will only ever get 10MB/s :) | |
| <popey> is your blog syndicated on the ubuntu-uk planet? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh devolos .. | |
| <treb0r> yeah, I know, but it's way fast enough anyway.. | |
| <popey> yeah, sure | |
| * LoudMouthMan notes yep they work well and good | |
| <popey> was just saying you wont see the test go above 100Mb/s | |
| * LoudMouthMan uses them around the house | |
| <treb0r> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/15/review_devolo_dlan_200_avdesk/ | |
| <popey> thanks treb0r | |
| <jamesbrose> purdy | |
| <treb0r> np | |
| <popey> oo there's a standard? | |
| <popey> nice | |
| <popey> so you can mix and match products from different vendors? | |
| <treb0r> oops, that's the wrong one.. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well im happily streaming my tv ( shush now popey ) from office to house via them but dont go using them to send BIG files quickly its easier to walk up the garden and fetch them. | |
| <jamesbrose> adios guys | |
| <popey> ttfn | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <popey> so it isn't 200Mb/s, it is 100Mb/s | |
| <treb0r> like i said, fast enough. annoying though | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but they work . for theyre job and compared to dodgy wireless ( thank you inconsiderate neighbours ) or unhelpful wires ( thank you wife who hates mess ) they really are a wife friendly investment. | |
| <treb0r> these are thones i have: http://www.vnunet.com/personal-computer-world/hardware/2184732/review-devolo-dlan-200-av | |
| <treb0r> the ones | |
| <popey> nice | |
| <popey> even better in fact | |
| <jayteeuk> I assume they won't work through a filtered socket or UPS though? | |
| <treb0r> that's right | |
| <popey> er | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but they do work across distribution boxes . | |
| <popey> why would you plug it into a ups? | |
| <treb0r> it says avoid using any kind plguboards, but i tried it, and it works fine, except with surge protection etc | |
| <treb0r> plugboards | |
| <LoudMouthMan> theres two different distribution boards between the ring here and the ring inthe office and they worked , and I was quite cagey | |
| <jayteeuk> OK, good point popey. :) | |
| <treb0r> I was thinking it would b enice to use these things to stick ap's in each room of the house that I like to work in.. | |
| <daviey> What stops your neighbour connecting to your network? Does it get stopped by a diode or something? Does it work in a similar way to X10? | |
| <popey> daviey: encryption | |
| <daviey> popey, i mean the Ethernet over power | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> it is encrypted | |
| <daviey> so if your neighbour knew the key they could connect? | |
| <popey> if they were on the same phase, possibly | |
| <popey> they need the ID number of the plug too | |
| <daviey> It's a ratified standard? | |
| <daviey> i see IEEE802.3af | |
| <treb0r> that anti climate change documentary just started on c4 | |
| <popey> which? | |
| <popey> the al gore one? | |
| <treb0r> no - the one that argues that it's all a myth | |
| <daviey> Wow! Shame it runs CE http://www.poweroverethernet.com/products.php?article_id=378 | |
| <treb0r> from ethernet over power to power over ethernet | |
| <daviey> I'm running ethernet over ethernet! beat that | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <treb0r> i can power my laptop by plugging into the mains. and i can unplug it, walk to anotehr room and plug it in, and it just works, no extra config | |
| <daviey> Is that using the latest ubuntu release? | |
| <treb0r> yes, but with a custom kernel, obviously | |
| <daviey> will you post a patch upstream? | |
| <treb0r> once I've ironed out the bugs | |
| <daviey> will it only work on laptops or desktops aswell? | |
| <popey> its just a network device | |
| <popey> it doesnt matter | |
| <treb0r> :) | |
| <treb0r> that prog is called 'the great climate change swindle' btw | |
| <popey> yeah, got it thank you | |
| <treb0r> makes me feel better about my P4 laptop | |
| <treb0r> it's burning my legs | |
| <treb0r> better go and talk to my girlfriend ttfn | |
| <popey> ttfn | |
| <daviey> treb0r, thats why i'm using a laptop | |
| <jayteeuk> daviey: I'd go and talk to my wife, but she's been asleep for over an hour. :) | |
| <daviey> mine is trying to talk to me; it's really annoying - i can't do IRC and relations | |
| <popey> mine is in the other room watching telly | |
| <popey> the den is about as far from the lounge as you can get in this house :) | |
| <daviey> i got told i was spending too much time in my den! It's why i bought a three bedroom house | |
| <jayteeuk> I should concrete over the back garden and build a den. | |
| <jayteeuk> Or set up shop in the boys' play house. | |
| <daviey> jayteeuk, won't work - the kids love tapping on the keyboard | |
| <popey> good lord | |
| <popey> toblerone advert | |
| <popey> dont think i have ever seen a toblerone ad | |
| <jayteeuk> popey: The one with the rain? | |
| <jayteeuk> Oh no, that's for Flake. | |
| <daviey> me neither - but poundworld have the medium size which i thought was good value | |
| <jayteeuk> The Toblerone one is the one with the boat isn't it? | |
| <popey> yes jayteeuk | |
| <jayteeuk> My encyclopaedic knowledge of adverts is depressing, but they're often more interesting than the trash that's on in between them. | |
| <popey> i rarely watch adverts | |
| <popey> thanks to having a good PVR :) | |
| <daviey> jayteeuk, join the PVR club | |
| <jayteeuk> I fully intend to, when I get back from South Africa. | |
| <jayteeuk> I'll be taking Virgin Media up on their offer. | |
| <daviey> Go MythTV | |
| <daviey> :( | |
| <popey> The TV Drive? | |
| <popey> yeah, i am tempted to get one of them | |
| <jayteeuk> That's the fella. | |
| <popey> mmmm HDTV :) | |
| * LoudMouthMan raises an eyebrow and restrains from the obvious comments <grin> | |
| <popey> I dont watch much telly, but when I want to, I want to watch good telly in high quality picture and audio :) | |
| <jayteeuk> I don't have an HD-capable TV yet, but with the PVR it gives me a reason to start saving for one. | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> buy mine! | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Bidding starts at 50p. | |
| <popey> i want to get rid of my telly and get a different one | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <jayteeuk> And a packet of dry roasted peanuts. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> HDTV . is nice . but . when you eyesight is shitty ( as mine is ) then it looses some inthe distance . | |
| <popey> jayteeuk: keep going, its an attractive offer | |
| <jayteeuk> I wonder, when I've recorded programs, if I'll be able to transfer them from the PVR to my computer. | |
| <popey> hahaha | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but my 1080i output on my big arse LCD lets me watch tv all the same and the stories get no better in hdtv , certainly the porn doesnt. | |
| <popey> dream on | |
| <jayteeuk> Are they DRM'd? | |
| <popey> most are locked down | |
| <popey> sky+ is | |
| <popey> i would not be surpried if tv drive is | |
| <popey> another reason to go mythtv :) | |
| <jayteeuk> There must be a way, somehow. | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> sure | |
| <LoudMouthMan> jayteeuk I use my samsung dvdr to record the SKy+ movies, box office and tv shows well enough and then move the AVI file down to my PC to bung them onto CDs for th neighbour. | |
| <daviey> mythtv mythtv mythtv | |
| * LoudMouthMan eyes his overt collection of DVDr recordings of Scooby Doo, BSG, Ultravoilet and porn from Sky+ to his off the shelf Samsung DVD and wonders wheres the lock down ? | |
| <jayteeuk> How much for a MythTV server and client in one machine, with three HD digital tuners that will play nicely with NTL^WVirgin Media's network? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> this set up also works on SkyHD and from his Xbox to it . | |
| <jayteeuk> A rough estimate will do. | |
| <jayteeuk> Oh, and it has to be quiet. | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> I dont think you can do digital cable with mythtv yet can you? | |
| <popey> it will cost a LOT more money than a set top box | |
| <popey> http://fact.popey.com/ | |
| <jayteeuk> That's why I intend to get a TV Drive. :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey , sky+ is drmd on the disks but ive recorded everything iv ever stored on it to my cheapy ( 120 ) samsung DVDR recorder no problems. | |
| <jayteeuk> Ah, I just realised LoudMouthMan, you won't get my PMs. :) | |
| <popey> thats not the same as getting the raw mpeg off as you well know :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> all my files have been avi or vob format on the disk at the end of the pvr capture. | |
| <popey> its re-encoded by the dvdr | |
| <popey> very nice, but not raw | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm actually looking at a DVDRW/VCR combo, which are gradually coming down to a nice sane price. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yes but its damned near hard to tell the difference close up and in the raw. | |
| <jayteeuk> Much as I'd like to leave VHS behind, most people I know have no plans to. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and to be honest the dvd pvr I have just works. no myth hassles and no tilting at windmills. | |
| <popey> its not the same though | |
| <popey> especially HD | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah but its as good as your going to get for the effort. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but its a lousy DVD player , so i keep the old toshiba on hand for the other older DVDs. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but for those intersted Geekbrief.tv is doing a HTPC using Ubuntu and Myth at the mo . | |
| * jayteeuk notes Ubuntu is top of the "Linux operating systems" in today's Working Lunch piece on open source. | |
| *** PriceChild is now known as Pricey | |
| <LoudMouthMan> the downside in the UK is that theres no equivalent Haupage card for mythtv that takes the Sky transmissions and streams them to your hard disk. so all your left with is bouncing the output of your skybox back into the myth box. which re-encodes. it was at this points that I thought well screw it im just as well to by a DVDr that does Divx . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but if you do have a SKY+ box then do upgrade it to a 250gb drive . and get a BIG improvement in its capacity. | |
| <popey> there are DVB-S cards that accept satellite input | |
| <popey> just not Sky, because of the way they encrypt it | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah , thats why I stopped my mythtv work . I wasnt going to get the intergration I came to expect from using oss stuff. and that blew chunks in my opinion. I knew about the dvb-s cards and searched long and hard ( and this was 3 years + ago ) . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> meanwhile cali lewis and the geekbrief guys wil be buiilding a mythtv box using a HD receiver <sulk> and just pulling it out of the air! thats so unfair. | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I still find the concept of HD cartoons to be somewhat unusual but My Name is Earl was the first to show me how HD can be used to add interesting content and distract the heck out of you. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hmm unusual is the wrondg word here actually . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I can imagine that HD cartoons would bring comics like 2000ad alive. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> because all the background stuff and fluff would be there if you looked forit. though I guess it gives Lucas another chance to massacre starwars. with yet another rehash of his tales time in HD. | |
| <X3N> the working lunch on opensource stuff bit was pretty good | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oooh linkies ? | |
| <X3N> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/6432581.stm | |
| <jayteeuk> He asks, just a few minutes after I closed the tab. | |
| <X3N> undo close tab :D | |
| <X3N> <3 | |
| <jayteeuk> I've closed several others since. | |
| <jayteeuk> The Restore Session functionality in Firefox has been invaluable for me. I often browse through mails/RSS feeds and click on interesting links, then read them later on in the day. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I wonder what prompted them to cover it then ? | |
| <X3N> the conservative's talk today | |
| <X3N> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6430069.stm | |
| *** Pricey is now known as PriceChild | |
| <jayteeuk> Interesting: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/linuxbios-with-x11-server-completely-in-flash-rom | |
| <X3N> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6432927.stm <// £757m for a firealarm system.. they should have gone to homebase, you can buy smoke detectors for £4 a pop ;) | |
| <Seeker`> they should have spent £756 million, and given the rest to me | |
| <Norf-ubu> a much better idea would be to put the £757 million in my account and let it earn interest while i faff about with negotiating a £757 million fire alarm install... thats about £30,000 a day interest | |
| <Norf-ubu> which would just about keep me to the lifestyle i could get accustomed too | |
| <jayteeuk> That'd see me on my way to SA. | |
| <jayteeuk> Oh to be debt-free. | |
| <Norf-ubu> we all can dream | |
| <jayteeuk> By my calculations, I should have paid off all my loans and credit cards by Christmas 2008. | |
| <jayteeuk> Of course, they don't take into account things like an HD-capable TV and a DVDRW/VCR combo.... | |
| <Norf-ubu> using the same formulae, i get "division by zero - give up dude" | |
| <jayteeuk> Or various other gadgets, gizmos and "toys". |