<nrdb> I am using the update-manager to upgrade from 6.06 -> 6.10 after doing a long download the manager has displayed a terminal window with a question (about vmware) but the terminal window wont active so I can answer the question !!! :( what can I do ?
<adhoc> don't panic
* nrdb not yet
* nrdb still hoping for a solution
<Phlosten> are you running the update from gui? or from command line?
<Tatey> argh
<Tatey> anyone access bottlebrush.net.au?
<Phlosten> Tatey, nope
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<Tatey> fsk
<nrdb> Phlosten: 'update-manager' is a gui program
<Phlosten> ah right
<Phlosten> i've never bothered with upgrading
<Phlosten> i did do an upgrade once, but everything was so messy afterwards I decided to not bother with the process again
<Tatey> Arch 2u
<Phlosten> smarty arch
<Phlosten> Tatey, is there a gui frontend to pacman?
<Tatey> Phlosten: yes, I believe so
<Tatey> though, it's much easier to use the CLI IMO
<Tatey> GUI's are too slow
<Phlosten> :) just curious
<adhoc> hi guys
<adhoc> is there a config file for NetworkManager that i can edit/delete ?
<adhoc> its not detecting my wireless even tho i can poke it via the gnome mangery thing
<purserj> I think NM actually uses gconf, I could be wrong though
<adhoc> purserj: ok, that explains why i can't find any config info in /etc/ ...
<purserj> yar
<Tatey> purserj: hey, I thought I recognised your nick
<Tatey> you do that Open Source on the Air don't you?
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<purserj> Tatey: yup
<Tatey> nice :D
<Tatey> very interesting stuff mate
<purserj> heh thanks
<Tatey> admittedly, I've only listend to the grahic/design round table, but I've downloaded the other ones which I'll look at when I get some spare time :)
<Tatey> it's a good listen
<purserj> good stuff, next one's going to be on Open Solaris
<Tatey> great :)
<Tatey> I'm still waiting for my CD :P
<purserj> heh, thats one of the things we'll be looking at, the community building
<cafuego_> if the community were pieces of lego, it'd be much easier.
<bimberi> but it hurts when you step on them!
<Phlosten> open solaris on the air
<Phlosten> woot
<Phlosten> i'd like to know where my dvd is too
<Phlosten> i guess after they got slashdotted they probably ended up with a giant backlog
<cafuego_> bimberi: doesn't it just! I still have malformed feet from stepping on too much lego when I was a kid
<cafuego_> physically anyway
<Phlosten> evil lego
<Phlosten> those silly little lego men are looking at me funny, they are up to no good i tell ya
<bimberi> yep, they shift to the rug and stick their little point feet in the air. Lying in wait...
<bimberi> *pointy
<Tatey> any PHP guru's here?
<adhoc> if that counts and when 3.0 was current ... ?
<adhoc> s/and/as/
<purserj> Tatey: whats up?
<Tatey> purserj: I want to output the current time in Brisbane using the PHP date function. Unfortunately, my server is located in Sydney. I need to offset it one hour to make it Brisbane time
<tuppa> gah
<tuppa> use UTC!
<tuppa> :p
<Tatey> heh, it's office hours for my business
<adhoc> tuppa: then think about day light savings ...
<adhoc> ooohhh
<adhoc> is brisvegas still not doing daylight savings?
<purserj> Tatey: I know this one, hold on
<purserj> there is a function in php that allows you to set the timezone for the script
<purserj> putenv("TZ=[PUT YOUR TIMEZONE HERE]")
<purserj> is what you want
<Tatey> thanks very much purserj :)
<adhoc> vista is sick ?
<sicc-vista> Vista rocks
<Tatey> here's trouble
<sicc-vista> Why doesn't Arch impliment Aero, I'll tell you why. Because Arch sucks :P
<cef> vista is full of rocks. :P
<Tatey> you're such a troll sicc-vista
<sicc-vista> lol :)
<Tatey> awww
<cef> Intel won't adopt vista internally apparently... as they put it... "not ready".
<Phlosten> vista, not ready? what a surprise
<TheMuso> I'm sure many of MS' programmers would probably agree with that also.
<Phlosten> numerous stories of more people everyday downgrading back to XP kind of give it all away
<TheMuso> Phlosten: Really? Wow.
<Phlosten> at least 1 a day that i hear about from friends
<Phlosten> some pretty pissed off people too. wtf! i just spent hundreds of dollars so none of my games run anymore
<TheMuso> heh
<Phlosten> the issue of the moment seems to be gaming. none of my current games will work in vista, but vista has directx10 which will be great for gaming
<tuppa> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/blackhole-storage-engine.html
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<tuppa> I just couldn't help laughing when I saw that
<Phlosten> lol
<Phlosten> sounds like something the g'ment would use for primary data storage,...'what data?'
<cafuego_> I need a filesystem that does that!
<adhoc> there was a woman at Disk Smith last week with her copy of vitsa asking for a refund
<adhoc> and they would not give it to her!
<adhoc> they said she had to take it up with Microsoft Australia!
<adhoc> she was understanable furiois...
<Phlosten> lol
<Phlosten> adhoc, did you offer her a ubuntu cd?
<tuppa> just you wait when she comes back and ask where she could get a refund for the ubuntu CD...
<cafuego_> cef: Intel can't afford that much ram.
<adhoc> Phlosten: didn't have any handy
<adhoc> tuppa: um ...
<tuppa> vi /dev/null
<tuppa> "/dev/null" is not a file
<tuppa> this is depressing
<purserj> tuppa sure we'll happily refund the money she spent on Ubuntu
<Phlosten> oh lordy
<Phlosten> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=809236135811818943&hl=en
<romana> whats that one?
<Phlosten> a film clip with some guy singing about a channel bot
<romana> http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/07/giraffe-video-conferencing-robot-to-weird-employees-out/
<romana> my weird tech of the day
<romana> oh cool!
<romana> brb, looking
<Phlosten> its quite odd
<romana> WTF????
<romana> why is on some river paddle thing???
<romana> oh man
<romana> this goes on my high weirdometer
<Phlosten> i did say it was odd
<romana> where on googleearth does one find this sort of stuff?:)
<Phlosten> i saw a link to it on another channel
<Phlosten> anything youtube or googlevideo i just randomly click on :)
<romana> i bow before a god of insane online eurocrud:)
<Phlosten> does anyone know if it is possible to integrate dans guardian with ISA?
<romana> i am vastly vastly impressed
<Phlosten> my tafe teacher instructed me to find out
<romana> no, sorry, never used
<sicc-vista> Heh ISA
<Phlosten> my answer at this stage is 'throw you cruddy ISA in the bin'
<Phlosten> your
<sicc-vista> Heheh
<Phlosten> the only option i can think of is running a seperate machine to do the filtering seperately
<sicc-vista> It's essentially a case of why?
<sicc-vista> Tell your teacher to stop wasting your time
<Phlosten> yeah
<sicc-vista> OR, tell your teacher to purchase you a legit copy of Microsoft ISA
<sicc-vista> and find out :D
<sicc-vista> see if he falls for it :P
<Phlosten> heh
* cafuego_ fiddles
<romana> rome burning cafuego_ ?
<rob_melb> cafuego: is rome burning ?
<cafuego_> no, i watch them on the ipod, no burning required
<romana> ok, time to split, kidlings home
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<nrdb> I have a Linux box serving out some partitions etc. (FC4) I am thinking of updating it to ubuntu, does the 'server' disk install handle installing onto a software raid 5 setup? I have a small raid 1 paritition for the /boot directory at the moment.
<TheMuso> nrdb: What sort of raid is it? Just Linux software raid? If so, it should be fine.
<nrdb> TheMuso: its a linux software raid. 2 PATA + 2 SATA
<purserj> oh wonderful, latest updates and wireless is borked
<merlin-linux> evening all, how are we all?
<merlin-linux> purserj: are you running feisty?
<sicc-vista> I'm good thanks mate, yourself?
<merlin-linux> purserj: i had the samething happen under feisty cause they released all related to kernel but the kernel itself
<merlin-linux> sicc-vista: i'm soso, had a pretty depressing appointment this afternoon
<sicc-vista> Oh, that's no good. :|
<merlin-linux> sicc-vista: yeah, and a good friend of mine is in hospital from a car accedent
<sicc-vista> Sorry to hear mate.
<purserj> ouch
<sicc-vista> Chicken Parma for dinner :D
<sicc-vista> ooo yeah!
<merlin-linux> sicc-vista: thanks, yeah he not in good shape. i was at the hospital all yesterday
<merlin-linux> time for a beer
<sicc-vista> <--Damn near close to it as well.
<merlin-linux> :-)
<sicc-vista> That way I can kick back, relax and enjoy Windows Aero (tm)!
<merlin-linux> you sad puppy
<sicc-vista> :P
* elkbuntu sets ban on *!*vista*@*
<elkbuntu> :Þ
<sicc-vista> meh :P
<sicc-vista> Active in here :D
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<Tatey> sicc-vista is nub
<sicc-vista> Nah man
<Phlosten> howdy party people
<Tatey> hey
<Davo_Dinkum> Aha. Party people.
<Davo_Dinkum> siccy is having fun talking about his beloved vista in ##hardware.
<Davo_Dinkum> Isn't that right sicc-vista?
<sicc-vista> These people are twats
<Phlosten> <sicc-vista> Vista is leet, you linux fanboys have nothing on us
<sicc-vista> LOL
<sicc-vista> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1173348988897.jpg
<Kamping_Kaiser> sicc-vista, whats the unix guy holding?
<Phlosten> dude, i so do not want that guy representing linux
<sicc-vista> a glock mang
<sicc-vista> !
<Tatey> a gun
<Kamping_Kaiser> oh
<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten, i agree
<sicc-vista> I do
<sicc-vista> That dude looks mad
<Tatey> I understand your name sicc-vista
<Kamping_Kaiser> mad=loopy, not mad=good
<Tatey> it's sick-of-vista
<Tatey> :P
<Phlosten> on his way to the asylum for insane geeks
<sicc-vista> Tatey: Haha, yeah, nice work :P
<Phlosten> how much coffee does one need to consume in order to effectively study an entire night?
<Tatey> 4=5 cups? :P
<sicc-vista> no, 4 does not equal 5 cups
<sicc-vista> what kind of stupid math was that
<sicc-vista> stupid arch user.
<Tatey> - even
<Kamping_Kaiser> sicc-vista, for verry small quantities of 5
<Phlosten> i wasted most of my useful daytime study replacing everything on my workstation with Arch :)
<sicc-vista> heheh
<Davo_Dinkum> 3.1459652 cups are ideal
<sicc-vista> Phlosten: Yeah, Arch is going to cause some massive headaches for you :P
<Tatey> Phlosten: excellent move
<Phlosten> speedy gonzales
<Tatey> yea, it's fast hey
<Phlosten> still have ubuntu on this machine, but I love the speed of arch
<Phlosten> so i decided to go all out with it on my main machine
<nrdb> what is arch
<Phlosten> just waiting for OO to download and install
<Tatey> Phlosten: you need to install the jre first
<Phlosten> nrdb, www.archlinux.org
<Tatey> Phlosten: it's great, seriosuly
<Phlosten> its got the speed of a clean debian install, but with new crap \o/
<sicc-vista> lol
<Phlosten> not really doing any business work on the PC anymore, so I can afford to play around a bit with configs and all
<sicc-vista> You know the last plane out of Sydney's almost gone
<sicc-vista> Only seven flying hours, and I'll be landing in Hong Kong
<Phlosten> for the love of god, someone unplug him
<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-vista: What are you doing in honkers?
<sicc-vista> Phlosten: haha
<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-vista: ^^^??
* Davo_Dinkum looks at 26cm network cable.
<Davo_Dinkum> Very useful!
<Phlosten> a whole 26 cm?
<Davo_Dinkum> You better believe it
<Kamping_Kaiser> *cough* patch cable
<Davo_Dinkum> Kamping_Kaiser: Hmm yeah that's what I was thinking
<Davo_Dinkum> Now I just need a patch board!
<Phlosten> its like finding a tire and wanting the rest of the car
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL nice one
<siccness> Ahh this is what i'm talking about, irssi :D
<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, aka switch
<Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
<siccness> Inkball time :)
<elkbuntu> lol, JBJ attempted to communicate with the intarweb again, Kamping_Kaiser
* Kamping_Kaiser calls owner@root.nameserver.internet and has JBJ's internet licence revoked
<jhawtin_> pft
<Kamping_Kaiser> a likely story
<Davo_Dinkum> Are the songs in DDR copyrighted?
<Kamping_Kaiser> i would expect so
<Davo_Dinkum> Same with StepMania?
<Kamping_Kaiser> nfi
<Davo_Dinkum> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StepMania
* jhawtin_ is too tired to flail
<elkbuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4&mode=related&search=
<elkbuntu> rofl
<Tatey> siccness is sick
<siccness> word!
<Kamping_Kaiser> sigh. why didnt i think to check for an HDD inside the compuer before i try to install on it? :(
<Kamping_Kaiser> btw. debians new GTK installer is quite nice... very redhat 9 ;)
<siccness> heh
* Kamping_Kaiser wondesr if he dare say that in #debian
<cafuego_> siccness: vista gives you cancer
<siccness> I'm pretty sure that's smoking.
<siccness> but I can see how you got confused, both being so pleasurable.
* purserj sighs
<purserj> now the family has left, I need to figure out what the hell happened to my wireless
<siccness> heh
<purserj_> not happy jan
<Phlosten> siccness broke it *points*
<purserj_> something has gone screwy with my wireless. I can now get it to connect to the access point but I can't get past
<praetorian> plug the ethernet cable in
<praetorian> :<
<purserj_> Yeah I'm already doing that at the moment
<praetorian> im just glad to be of assistance
<purserj_> yeah thanks
<praetorian> np ;)
<Phlosten> beans, beans, the musical fruit....
<Davo_Dinkum> They're musical?
<Phlosten> the more you eat the more you toot...
<purserj> hmm back again
* purserj stabs at purserj_ from the heart of the universe
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<Davo_Dinkum> Bye
* siccness whistles
<praetorian> hi cutie
<praetorian> have you had your decomp shower
* siccness blows a kiss
<praetorian> kiss it
<siccness> NO!
<siccness> No means NO!
<siccness> :)
<praetorian> no garry no garry
<praetorian> NO GARRY NO
<siccness> lol
<siccness> Violence against Vista users, Linus says NO!
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, sounds like a good reason to keep going
<siccness> Heheh
<purserj> Violence against RMS, Linus says NO! Still sound like a good reason?
<siccness> Yeah, well who listens to Linus anyway?
<Kamping_Kaiser> i'm rethinking :P
<purserj> See thats what I like about Linus, he doesn't pretend to be the messiah
<MotherLUG> All this violence, all this negativity, all this harshness. Make love not war.
<siccness> purserj: Yeah, he doesn't have to though really.
<siccness> MotherLUG: I'd rather make pizza to be honest, big sicc gettin a lil peckish.
<purserj> Make Pizza Love!
<MotherLUG> eeeew, messy
<purserj> cheesy!
<siccness> I'll have me a 24" layer of cheese!
* MotherLUG slaps purserj
<MotherLUG> hard
<MotherLUG> Morning praetorian, siccness, Kamping_Kaiser
<siccness> Morning MotherLUG.
<praetorian> morning motherlug
<Kamping_Kaiser> morning MotherLUG :)
<praetorian> im assisting james with his problem
<praetorian> !
<siccness> I'm tempted to cook up a baked potato, but the problem is, I'm not sure if I can be bothered waiting 1 hour for a potato
<siccness> Why haven't they invented an instant potato baker
<purserj> praetorian: problem fixed. Network Manager update borked config
<siccness> these are the more interesting questions to lifes actual problems
<praetorian> ah
<MotherLUG> microwave a potatoe in it's jacket add cheese and baked beans
<praetorian> net mangaler strikes again
<siccness> what's the jacket?
<MotherLUG> it's skin
<purserj> praetorian: yeah, its really starting to give me the craps
<siccness> do i use al-foil?
<praetorian> no
<praetorian> unless you like fireworks
<purserj> If I want to manage my network stuff through interfaces let me damn it
<MotherLUG> I so hope you are having a lend sic
<siccness> eh?
<siccness> al foil only causes sparks if it makes contact with the outer edge of the microwave
<praetorian> http://sjl-static3.sjl.youtube.com/vi/OTebc82MNaU/2.jpg
<siccness> What's that?
<praetorian> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTebc82MNaU
<praetorian> ratyher
<siccness> irssi in windows (cmd.exe) doesn't allow me to click links or copy them
* MotherLUG just learned you can get microwave safe al-foil
<praetorian> "Another Wad of Foil in the Microwave"
<siccness> brb
<siccness> quick question
<siccness> when cookin em, shiny side goes on the inside or the outside of the potato?
<siccness> (of the al-foil)
<praetorian> dont make me get motherlug to stick an umbrella up your coit
<siccness> helpful :P
<praetorian> no al foil in the microwave
<Phlosten> the microwave is for windows installation CDs only
<MotherLUG> siccness, you will blow up the microwave if you put al-foil in it
<MotherLUG> cooking 101
<MotherLUG> lesson 1
<MotherLUG> stab potatoe with fork all over ( do not pulverize)
<Phlosten> you can put al foil in there, but you have to restrict it to no more than like 30% coverage
<MotherLUG> put in microwave on hight for 4 minutes
<siccness> MotherLUG: It's going in the oven
<MotherLUG> remove from microwave add beans and cheese and re nuke for 2 minutes
<siccness> I worked it out though
<siccness> shiny side goes on the inside, otherwise the heat will be deflected away.
<MotherLUG> you got it siccness
<siccness> <--genius
<MotherLUG> :D
<siccness> Ok, midnight snack will be 2hours late.
<siccness> Lovely.
<siccness> who puts beans on a baked potato anyway, that's disgusting.
<MotherLUG> I don't know, not me. I only heard about that combo from a friend
<siccness> Heh
<siccness> I like mine simple, cheese.
* Kamping_Kaiser sighs. i hate it when people undermine my work as an admin
<Kamping_Kaiser> infact, when i find the guy who is doing it i'm going to .... <nasty stuff>
<purserj> Kamping_Kaiser: what are they doing?
<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, installing warz copies of windows on The Huts staff laptops (hes left the org now, but he wont be coming back...), and generally making my life harder running the place (especially now i have to reinstall+resetup the system with ubuntu as it was *before* he got to it
<purserj> you need a cluebat
<siccness> That sucks Kamping_Kaiser :\
<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, yeh, i'd agree with taht
<Kamping_Kaiser> *that
<purserj> Have I told you about the News Director at WIN?
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, yeh. just means i have to lay down the law - no, you dont install software on laptops without my permission :(
<Kamping_Kaiser> no, i dont think you did
<purserj> Right.
<siccness> I need to get myself an office suite
<purserj> After I'd been at WIN about 18 months I was moved into Help Desk.
<purserj> Got a call from our Graphics Artist asking what Kazaa was
<siccness> LOL
<Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
<purserj> Turns out, dear News Director had installed it on her machine (the one thats a gateway between the edit suites and the corp network) so he could download a track for that nights news broadcast
<siccness> that's classic
<purserj> Now keep in mind the edit suites do not have any anti-virus protection (tends to really kill any rendering work)
<Kamping_Kaiser> ahahaha. thats great.
<purserj> By the time I and my boss had gotten through with him, he was afraid to go near his own machine let alone the Graphic Artists
<siccness> There was actually a good review of different anti-virus software for Windows machines
<purserj> yeah I like AVG for that
<siccness> Norton scored the worst, due to being a bitch.
<purserj> Norton is truly a PITA
<siccness> Yeah.
* Kamping_Kaiser wonders what he [person who set up this laptop] was thinking when he set it to use the gateway IP
<Kamping_Kaiser> norton is unusable
<purserj> It was constantly missing things, moving from one version to another was always a "cross you fingers, hope and then fix all the screwups" operation
<siccness> For me, it comes down to: A virus that slows my computer down, OR anti-virus software that slows my computer down.
<siccness> A virus is free, anti-virus software isn't free
<siccness> It's a tough choice.
<Kamping_Kaiser> heh
<Phlosten> whats the legality of ripping tracks from streaming audio in aus?
<siccness> Good question
<Phlosten> i remember reading something somewhere but I am not sure
<siccness> Heh
<Phlosten> cause that streamripper does a nice job of ripping tracks
<siccness> meh, ill turn around if you decide to do it :)
<purserj> Phlosten: its illegal without permission of the stream copyright holder
<purserj> mind you that could have changed to allow for timeshifting
<purserj> on that note, night all
<Phlosten> nighty night
<siccness> night mate
<Kamping_Kaiser> night
<Phlosten> time shifting implies that it gets deleted after listening/viewing
<Phlosten> so basically its a no no i suppose
<siccness> http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2347/march07me5.jpg
<siccness> ^^
<Phlosten> oh, the pain!
<siccness> she's a beaut eh
<siccness> :P
<Phlosten> does look good, we are doing vista installs at tafe next week
<siccness> Tell them to do the Ultimate Edition (if they have it)
<siccness> that way you can update it and install DreamScene
<Phlosten> dunno what they have
<siccness> DreamScene is f-ing mad. You can set a video as your wallpaper
<Kamping_Kaiser> 'oh yay'
<Phlosten> how resource friendly
<siccness> Doesn't even touch the resources.
<siccness> Heh, video driver just crashed. Nice!
<Phlosten> cant argue with tradition!
<siccness> That's right. That's the brilliance of Vista, rather than fixing issues, they've actually just left them in there.
<siccness> It's to let the end-user feel right at home.
<siccness> Clever marketting really.
<Phlosten> added more bling to the crashing?
<Phlosten> 'lets not just do crashing, lets do crashing with style!'
<siccness> Exactly!
<Phlosten> whats a crash message if you cant give it transparent looks!
<siccness> Well if you're going to die, you should do it in style.
* Kamping_Kaiser swears inelegently at winxp and hard resets the computer
<Phlosten> 'your computer is really rooted now, but hey, look on the bright side...this error message looks awesome!'
<siccness> vista shows me the actual error though
<siccness> rather than error at 8xF8434FG
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, error at xxxx *is* the actual errror mssage
<Kamping_Kaiser> *sp -r -s
<siccness> yes
<Phlosten> enough study for tonight, off to bed for me
<Phlosten> night all
<Kamping_Kaiser> night mate
<Kamping_Kaiser> Nothing like a bit of Reise Reise to keep you going :D
<pschulz01> Anyone else awake?
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<TheMuso> Morning all.
<Phlosten> morning all
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