| *** jkeyes0_afk is now known as jkeyes0 | |
| <bkingx> So how do you do a distro update? | |
| <bkingx> I | |
| <bkingx> I'm running fiesty, but etank said to maybe run the distro upgrade every day? | |
| <jkeyes0> I believe it's "sudo update-manager -c -d" (either update or upgrade, I can't remember) | |
| <bkingx> OK...I'll give that a try. | |
| <jkeyes0> I used it to upgrade my laptop to feisty from edgy a while back (then promptly reformatted and reinstalled...) | |
| <jkeyes0> Appleseed is such a good anime. | |
| <etank> hi everyone | |
| <jkeyes0> hey etank | |
| <etank> any word from Nortel? | |
| <etank> hows it going TheLighty | |
| <jkeyes0> nortel charges for their client (20-license copy), and they pointed me to apani for the single-user copy, which I already had. :( | |
| <etank> that sucks | |
| <jkeyes0> yeah, a little. | |
| <montgoej> so how goes it for everyone tonight? | |
| <etank> good | |
| <etank> how are you montgoej? | |
| <jkeyes0> The Weather Man is such a good movie. | |
| <montgoej> @Zuph: had any more luck getting boxes? | |
| <montgoej> I'm good | |
| <montgoej> anyone tried Mono's VB compiler yet? | |
| <montgoej> I've got a VB class starting at school tomorrow(I couldn't take anything else after web design :( ) so I'm gonna have to learn to use Mono's compiler | |
| <etank> I've only played with c# and mono | |
| <montgoej> hm...well, let's hope Mono's compiler works with VB 5, which is what we use at school | |
| <montgoej> the current release would be 8...shows how outdated our tech is... | |
| <etank> evening X626 | |
| <X626> Good evening. | |
| <montgoej> evening | |
| <etank> montgoej: have you looked at gambas | |
| * etank thinks that is the right name | |
| <montgoej> I've heard about Gambas, and I think I might even have it installed from Automatix, but I haven't really played with it | |
| <montgoej> I can't check cause I'm at my mom's on the winblows computer | |
| <Zuph> montgoej: still looking for boxes, actually. Got any? | |
| <montgoej> nope, my parents are getting them together cause we're moving soon though, so now we're trying to get as many as possible | |
| <montgoej> better not steal my boxes :), lol | |
| <Zuph> haha | |
| <Zuph> well then you're useless | |
| <Zuph> :-p | |
| <montgoej> lol | |
| <montgoej> well crap..from what I'm reading, mono's VB compiler only supports VB .Net 1 and 2, not VB 5, so I'm going to have to use this winblows computer to convert my VB 5 code to .Net to get it to run | |
| <montgoej> I officially hate VB even more | |
| <X626> I hate most things related to Microsoft. | |
| <montgoej> if not for the waste of time that learning 6 and .Net 2.0 was, it's the fact that I gotta upgrade all my VB 5 source to compile it | |
| * etank agrees with X626 | |
| <montgoej> I hate most things microsoft related, but now I hate VB even more than most other things | |
| <X626> VB is a pretty big pain. I took it in school. It seems to me like that update VB too much to keep up with. | |
| <X626> *they | |
| <montgoej> I mean, the only Microsoft thing that I use very much is my xbox 360...and it's given me so much trouble that I'm fed up with it | |
| <X626> I'm so fed up with Windows, I deleted NTLDR to see how long it would take my parents to notice (they've had to use Linux due to Windows not acting up, though this isn't my fault). It's been a week, and they still hven't noticed. | |
| <X626> *acting up I hate typos | |
| <montgoej> my parents would KILL me if I installed Linux on the computer, even if windows went crazy, they'd just make me reinstall it | |
| <montgoej> they were mad when I had a Live CD in their computer | |
| <X626> Reinstalling won't work for me. It's a new installation and it's acting up. | |
| <jkeyes0> I'm off to bed. wife's calling. g'night guys. | |
| <Koji-Murasam1> Did you explain the wonders of a LiveCD to them? | |
| <X626> Good night. | |
| <montgoej> I tried to show them how it worked and all, but no luck | |
| <montgoej> "You sure that's safe? I don't see how it could work without installing something big and nasty on the hard drive." | |
| <X626> I know plenty of people who would think that. actually. | |
| <Koji-Murasam1> *sigh* Explain to them (probably not in my words) that ignorance is no excuse to be angry at you. | |
| *** Koji-Murasam1 is now known as Koji-Murasame | |
| <montgoej> I was thinking about making a super-stealthy hidden install of DSL that they wouldn't notice | |
| <Koji-Murasame> lol | |
| <X626> Parents seem to me like they're hard to convince from what they believe is right. I'm still trying to convince mine to let me uninstall Windows, since it's acting up. | |
| <Koji-Murasame> You could install it on a flash drive | |
| <X626> Great...it's 11:00. I gotta go to bed. Good night. | |
| <etank> night | |
| <Koji-Murasame> 'Night | |
| <montgoej> they're gonna let me install ubuntu on it as a dual boot, when we get a new computer... | |
| <montgoej> night | |
| <Koji-Murasame> That's cool | |
| <montgoej> I should probably be going to sleep too, I'll give it about 15 more minutes then I'll leave | |
| <montgoej> they'll let me install ubuntu on the old computer which they'll probably never use anymore, yet they don't want me to uninstall winblows... | |
| <Koji-Murasame> I think the biggest gear with most people is unfamiliarity. The key is to show them how easy it is to use and that everything you need is available (short of tax software :P) | |
| <Koji-Murasame> *gear=fear | |
| <montgoej> yeah...my parents never use tax software anyways | |
| <montgoej> oh yeah, Thursday I may be late to the meeting, but I'll be able to stay the whole time hopefully | |
| <etank> yay | |
| <etank> thats good | |
| <montgoej> I'm going to the FBLA competition, I should get back here at 7, but that's if nothing goes wrong | |
| <montgoej> when I get back here I'll rush to the kitchen, grab some supper, rush downstairs and hope that I'm ont late | |
| <montgoej> *not late | |
| <Koji-Murasame> I won't be at the meeting this Thursday. I'll be on my way to Savannah | |
| <montgoej> I'm doing the Cyber Security competition...sounds fun, it's the first year they've done it | |
| <montgoej> if I can win the regionals and state I get to go to nationals in Chicago | |
| <etank> that would be cool | |
| <montgoej> I might bring some Ubuntu CDs with me to the comp. if I think about it in the morning | |
| <montgoej> I gotta be at school at 6:00 so I'll probably forget...but if I don't then it'll be a great place to distribute them | |
| <etank> montgoej: put the CDs in your backpack or something | |
| <etank> you won't forget then | |
| <montgoej> I dunno if I | |
| <montgoej> *i'm bringing a backpack | |
| <montgoej> I won't need anything there other than some money for lunch | |
| <montgoej> well I'm heading out... | |
| <etank> gnight all | |
| <Koji-Murasame> G'night | |
| <Zuph> I'm reading about toilet paper on wikipedia | |
| <Zuph> because I have nothing else to do | |
| <TheLighty> Hey Zuph | |
| <Zuph> hola | |
| <TheLighty> I actually had a roll of TP from Spencer gifts that had jokes on it | |
| <TheLighty> I cam accross Ubunntu yesterday | |
| <TheLighty> I saw that there are teams all over the world and found this channel | |
| <TheLighty> so al you guys write this stuff? | |
| <Zuph> We don't actually write any of the ubuntu code. | |
| <TheLighty> oh ya I live outside Louisville | |
| <Zuph> Most of use aren't clever or dedicated enough to do that. | |
| <TheLighty> ah | |
| <TheLighty> so what is the team for? | |
| <Zuph> We're all users of Ubuntu, though, and are intelligent enough to be power users and teach others how to use ubuntu. | |
| <Zuph> Mostly to further the cause | |
| <TheLighty> very nice | |
| <Zuph> We want to get the word out about Ubuntu Linux and other free software, and give back to the community. | |
| <TheLighty> I like that | |
| <TheLighty> how does one join the team | |
| <TheLighty> I will be trying it today as a dedicated server | |
| <Zuph> You can hit up the launchpad site here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kentucky | |
| <TheLighty> hope I have success | |
| <Zuph> Starting out with the server edition can be a little daunting at first | |
| <Zuph> It drops you into a straight command line, no GUI, which can be disorienting for people that didn't grow up from dos or another Command Line OS | |
| <Zuph> The forums support is second to none, though, and it's really easy to install the GUI if you want. | |
| <etank> TheLighty: if you want to join the team I am on the LP site now and can approve you :) | |
| <Zuph> etank is our glorious leader of sorts :) | |
| <etank> :) | |
| <TheLighty> I live just over the border in Indiana from Louisville | |
| <TheLighty> can I still join | |
| <TheLighty> I see the Indiana team is not active | |
| <etank> I don't have a problem with it at all | |
| <TheLighty> thanx | |
| <|{evin> oh noes | |
| <|{evin> a hoosier | |
| <etank> we have a member on the team that is also on the Ohio team | |
| <TheLighty> actually a cheese head | |
| <TheLighty> moved here 4 years ago | |
| <TheLighty> lol | |
| <TheLighty> signed up | |
| <TheLighty> is it me or is launchpad very slow | |
| <TheLighty> ? | |
| <etank> i think that it is slow right now too | |
| <TheLighty> so why use launchpad | |
| <etank> TheLighty: i am not seeing you on LP | |
| <TheLighty> hmm | |
| <TheLighty> just signed up | |
| <TheLighty> it says I am not a user | |
| <etank> a user on launchpad or for the Kentucky team? | |
| <TheLighty> okay | |
| <etank> you have to have a LP account | |
| <etank> then go to the KY team page and join | |
| <TheLighty> maybe I did wrong | |
| <TheLighty> I did not see an option kust for team | |
| <TheLighty> that is where I signed up at | |
| <TheLighty> looking it over again | |
| <TheLighty> k I see | |
| <TheLighty> can you see me now | |
| <etank> approved | |
| <etank> Welcome to the team | |
| <etank> i think that i saw that the indiana team is actually starting to move along now | |
| <etank> you could be a part of both teams | |
| <Zuph> w00t, house blog domain name ordered | |
| <Zuph> meatandnetworking.com | |
| <Zuph> Bah, Indiana | |
| <Zuph> the only good thing to come out of indiana are the hot girls from IU. | |
| <TheLighty> hehe | |
| <TheLighty> my son will be going to bloomington | |
| <Zuph> Lucky him. | |
| <Zuph> Nothing like a school in the middle of nowhere that's 75% female. | |
| <TheLighty> ya he got a 4 year scholership | |
| <TheLighty> scholarship | |
| <Zuph> What's he going there to study? | |
| <TheLighty> He wants to be a math teacher | |
| <TheLighty> he ranked the highest in the state in math | |
| <Zuph> Then he should be an engineer or mathematician or physicist :) THAT'S math. | |
| <TheLighty> I agree | |
| <TheLighty> but he wants to teach | |
| <TheLighty> so where is everyone from | |
| <TheLighty> what parts of kentucky | |
| <etank> Lexington | |
| <Zuph> Da Ville | |
| <TheLighty> New ALbany here | |
| <TheLighty> where is Da Ville | |
| <Zuph> Louisville | |
| <TheLighty> http://ubuntu-kentucky.org < - - - this site here, who hosts it? | |
| <Zuph> You know, Da Ville :) | |
| <TheLighty> I don't | |
| <TheLighty> so it is a part of Louisville? | |
| <TheLighty> and who host the site for the team | |
| <TheLighty> I am a ISP so if someone is paying, pay no more | |
| <etank> TheLighty: the site is hosted at bkingx's house | |
| <etank> adn we are paying for it | |
| <TheLighty> ah | |
| <TheLighty> you want free host | |
| <etank> for the domain name it is | |
| <TheLighty> the least I can do for the team | |
| <etank> well we are talking with ubuntu now about that | |
| <etank> it could be that we need to take it down | |
| <etank> possible trademark problems | |
| <TheLighty> ut oh | |
| <etank> ubuntu wants the us teams hosted by them i think | |
| <TheLighty> that ain't good | |
| <TheLighty> k | |
| <etank> then we can have a sub domain of ubuntu-us.org | |
| <etank> so we would be kentucky.ubuntu-us.org | |
| <TheLighty> well if team needs a good host you all can have on one of my dedi's | |
| <Zuph> "Da Ville" is Louisville. It's what UofL's fine athletic department have affectionatly dubbed the city. | |
| <etank> they may direct the dns to our server but we don't know yet | |
| <TheLighty> IC | |
| <etank> TheLighty: but that is good to know though | |
| <TheLighty> I am also a php guy | |
| <TheLighty> I play around with forum software | |
| <etank> we are possibley going to need a site for the Charity Project | |
| <TheLighty> tell me about that | |
| <Zuph> Well... | |
| <Zuph> We're getting companies and school districts to donate old computers that they have no use for | |
| <Zuph> Then we're installing a lightweight version of ubuntu, along with a suite of basic office apps and educational utilities | |
| <Zuph> Then redistributing these old computers to families in the community in need. | |
| <TheLighty> cool | |
| <TheLighty> I may be able to help | |
| <TheLighty> I wish I found you all a while ago | |
| <TheLighty> I have donated to goodwil over 40 machines to date | |
| <TheLighty> they will start coming here | |
| <TheLighty> where is a drop off point | |
| <TheLighty> these machines are PIII & PIV's | |
| <Zuph> Wow | |
| <Zuph> That would be awesome | |
| <Zuph> We're looking at getting about 60 machines in mid-april, all of them around 500mhz PIII's | |
| <etank> we need to find a storage place for all of the machines | |
| <TheLighty> I think I have about 2 now | |
| <etank> so we have a place to set them up and get them readdy | |
| <TheLighty> I get these machines from Community Bank | |
| <Zuph> yeah; that'll be the trick | |
| <etank> s/readdy/ready | |
| <TheLighty> they are going through a major upgrade | |
| <TheLighty> hmm | |
| <Zuph> if need be, I think the team could probably afford to get a small storage unit. | |
| <Zuph> The small ones are like $20 a month. | |
| <Zuph> I could afford to pitch in a few bucks. | |
| <etank> but where? | |
| <TheLighty> I can too | |
| <etank> Da Ville, Lexington, etc? | |
| <etank> or should we have a few? | |
| <Zuph> Good point | |
| <etank> easier to distribute that way | |
| <Zuph> Well, that would increase expense | |
| <TheLighty> there is one on bluegrass parkway between Hurstborn and Blankenbaker | |
| <Zuph> I think we need to get the people that are going to be seriously involved in this project together physically, and decide form there | |
| <Zuph> There are storage units littered all over louisville. | |
| <TheLighty> yes | |
| <Zuph> That might be something to bring up at the dry run installfest | |
| <TheLighty> I am interested giving back | |
| <etank> Zuph: good idea | |
| <TheLighty> so you referring to the IRC meating tomorrow night | |
| <TheLighty> damn typos | |
| <TheLighty> how old is everyone in this group? | |
| <Zuph> I'm 20. | |
| <TheLighty> what age range | |
| <Zuph> 15-50 or there abouts. | |
| <TheLighty> damn your young | |
| <TheLighty> I am a old fart | |
| <Zuph> Hah. | |
| <etank> :26 < etank> so should we take down the site if we have one registered? ubotu | |
| <etank> 09:41:06 < jono> boredandblogging: :) Virtuall | |
| <etank> 09:42:33 < yann2> <boredandblogging> we can't get a subdomain, we aren't approved yet Vorian | |
| <etank> 09:42:33 < yann2> <jono> right, so get approved yama | |
| <etank> 09:42:35 < yann2> _lol_ :) yann2 | |
| <etank> 09:42:49 < jono> :) yharrow | |
| <etank> 09:43:15 < yann2> fr.ubuntu-eu.org zakame | |
| <etank> 09:43:22 < yann2> mmmmmmmmmmmh. no. definitely :D | |
| <etank> 09:43:43 < yann2> mmmh... well... :D :] | |
| <etank> 09:43:59 < elkbuntu> anyway all you loco people, im off to bed | |
| <etank> 09:44:05 < yann2> bye ;) | |
| <etank> 09:44:40 < yann2> jono > i may be able to come see you, i got the job in oxfort (the one on ubuntu.com/employment) :p | |
| <etank> 09:44:47 < etank> jono: should i take down the ubuntu-kentucky.org site? | |
| <etank> 09:45:50 < jono> etank: if you could not use it and use the subdomain site, that would be good :) | |
| <etank> 09:45:53 < jono> yann2: which job? | |
| <etank> 09:45:56 < yann2> jono > ubuntu-eu may be able to build a vserver to host temporarily non approved locoteams, when needed | |
| <etank> 09:46:04 < yann2> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-6ba1371596048a2ab65ba63261cb6b0df5864f7e | |
| <etank> 09:46:35 < etank> jono: ok. thanks. | |
| <etank> sorry to paste so much | |
| <etank> 09:46:43 < jono> etank: thanks, you are a hero :) | |
| <etank> staight from jono | |
| <Zuph> Well, we have weekly IRC meetings to discuss general business, and on the 24th we're getting together in real life to practice an install fest that we'll eventually be doing for the general public | |
| <TheLighty> sounds good | |
| <TheLighty> do you all have a meeting place yet? | |
| <TheLighty> BRB getting tea | |
| <Zuph> Still deliberating on meeting place, I think | |
| <etank> we are try to get a space at UK | |
| <etank> if not then one of the team members has offerd his house | |
| <TheLighty> I did there fiber around campus | |
| <TheLighty> I will ask if they have something available too | |
| <TheLighty> hey | |
| <TheLighty> I just checked with my friend | |
| <TheLighty> he says the name is not a copyright infridgement | |
| <TheLighty> but if you did take it down it would be a nice jesture on your part | |
| <Zuph> well, obviously we want to be good members of the Ubuntu community | |
| <Zuph> and to become an approved LoCo team we need to meet all their guidelines | |
| <Zuph> So it behooves us to do what they say | |
| <TheLighty> agreed | |
| <TheLighty> is there a link to their guidlines | |
| <TheLighty> sorry but I am not even 24 hours old to Ubuntu | |
| <Zuph> not sure. Etank? | |
| <etank> not sure | |
| <etank> let me look into that | |
| <TheLighty> thanx etank | |
| <etank> this is the approval process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved | |
| <etank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting | |
| <TheLighty> Experience - What have you done so far? Have you done any advocacy, translations, exhibitions, support or other activities? We recommend you have done at least three activities before you apply for approval. | |
| <etank> this is our approval draft https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/ApprovalApplication | |
| <etank> we will be discussing it some tomorrow | |
| <TheLighty> I love the BUG#1 | |
| <TheLighty> that is great | |
| <etank> that is actually a copy of the Ohio teams app | |
| <etank> they just got approved so i thought that it would make a good template | |
| <etank> we need to make it more Kentucky Team specific | |
| <etank> the site is offline now | |
| <etank> ubuntu-kentucky.org that is | |
| <TheLighty> F2F support < - - - What does F2F stand for | |
| <Zuph> face to face, I beleive. | |
| <etank> that is right | |
| <Zuph> House Blog up: http://www.meatandnetworking.com | |
| <etank> it is another fall over from the Ohio team | |
| <etank> but i think that it is a neat idea | |
| <etank> some teams are even talking about creating dedicated email address for people to send in requests for help | |
| <Zuph> I like that idea. | |
| <Zuph> A sort of trouble-ticket local help desk sort of thing | |
| <etank> we could set up a rt server to do the same thing | |
| <etank> if we had someone that could host it | |
| <Zuph> I will be able to eventually | |
| <Zuph> Hopefully my server will be getting some colocation soon | |
| <etank> then we could do general topics and charity project specific | |
| <TheLighty> [10:32am] [etank] if we had someone that could host it < - - - I already offfered | |
| <etank> i know | |
| <etank> i was just messing with you ;) | |
| <TheLighty> I have 2 servers up already | |
| <TheLighty> another one will be up today | |
| <TheLighty> all have 10/100/1000 ports on )C48's | |
| <TheLighty> OC | |
| <etank> so what ISP do you work for? | |
| <TheLighty> I own it | |
| <etank> are you hiring :) ? | |
| <TheLighty> just launched beginningof Feb | |
| <TheLighty> www.codewiz.net | |
| <etank> do you need Linux g33ks? | |
| <TheLighty> not yet | |
| <etank> dang | |
| <|{evin> how about cisco geeks? | |
| <etank> shut up |{evin | |
| <TheLighty> I buy servers around the country | |
| <TheLighty> soon around the world | |
| <etank> i need the job | |
| <|{evin> you? | |
| <TheLighty> the aultimate gol is to have a data center | |
| <|{evin> dude I have 4 kids, a wife, and 2 in-laws living with me | |
| <TheLighty> dam | |
| * etank takes it back | |
| <TheLighty> I have a wife and 4 kids | |
| <etank> so do you need a linux guy and a cisco guy? | |
| <TheLighty> where do you live | |
| <|{evin> I gotta build a new house :/ | |
| <etank> |{evin: there that covers both of us :) | |
| <TheLighty> I do get jobs for wiring up offices in the Louisville area | |
| <TheLighty> may have 4th street live project comeing up | |
| <|{evin> me? Spencer County... just outside Jefferson | |
| <TheLighty> I know it | |
| <TheLighty> I do not have full time work as of yet | |
| <etank> TheLighty: do you host django sites? | |
| <etank> are they on vmware or physical boxes | |
| <TheLighty> these are dedicated servers | |
| <TheLighty> not vps | |
| <|{evin> etank, http://www.codewiz.net/forum/newthread.php?do=job | |
| <|{evin> hehe | |
| <TheLighty> that is for people like yourself who know how to code | |
| <TheLighty> the idea behind it is to get free lancers to the site | |
| <TheLighty> then when someone needs a project done people can hire | |
| <TheLighty> look around the site | |
| <TheLighty> again it is new | |
| <TheLighty> I am Lighty on there of course | |
| <TheLighty> Spiff is my partner in crime | |
| <TheLighty> we are paying for the hosting end | |
| <TheLighty> I have to run out for a bit | |
| <TheLighty> will be back later | |
| <etank> see ya | |
| <TheLighty> nice chatting wioth you all | |
| <|{evin> Doesn't bluegrass.net have a datacenter downtown? | |
| <|{evin> I thought there was one in Indiana, too... I know Xodiax is $$s | |
| <Zuph> |{evin, yes | |
| <Zuph> Also win.net | |
| <Zuph> I'm not sure where iglou has their stuff | |
| <Zuph> And there are a couple datacenters in Oldham County | |
| <Zuph> One providing underground secure hosting. | |
| <Zuph> TheLighty: Want to colocate an itty bitty 1U IBM server that could easily fall through the accounting gaps? :) | |
| <|{evin> haha | |
| <Zuph> It can be QoS'ed down to nothing :) | |
| *** TheLighty is now known as TheLighty[BNC] | |
| <etank> zenwhen: you got a second | |
| <etank> hmmmm | |
| <Zuph> :( | |
| <etank> guess not | |
| <zenwhen> sup | |
| <etank> there you are :) | |
| <zenwhen> sorry. been very busy with work the past couple weeks. | |
| <etank> np | |
| <zenwhen> whats up? | |
| <etank> do you mind if i send you a pm? | |
| <zenwhen> hit me | |
| <etank> there are some serious font changes happening on the forums | |
| <Zuph> yes there are | |
| <Zuph> I like it | |
| <etank> maybe its just my machine / monitor but i find it a little hard to read. | |
| <Zuph> I think it's a litte easier to read. Might just be me. | |
| *** TheLighty[BNC] is now known as TheLighty | |
| <TheLighty> back | |
| <TheLighty> anyone here ever configure Unbuntu for server | |
| <|{evin> <- | |
| <TheLighty> cool | |
| <TheLighty> I need to do a reboot | |
| <TheLighty> brb | |
| *** TheLighty is now known as TheLighty[BNC] | |
| *** TheLighty[BNC] is now known as TheLighty | |
| <TheLighty> back | |
| <TheLighty> |{evin you still here | |
| <|{evin> yeah | |
| <TheLighty> they just put up the new dedicated server | |
| <TheLighty> but they only installed core | |
| <TheLighty> so I need to configure it | |
| <|{evin> local or remote? | |
| <TheLighty> I have to confige remotely | |
| <TheLighty> this server is in Ohio | |
| <|{evin> not gonna happen.. if they only installed core then there's no way to get to it | |
| <TheLighty> so doing from home | |
| <TheLighty> I am in it now | |
| <|{evin> ssh? | |
| <TheLighty> they installed ssh | |
| <|{evin> ah.. so more than core :) | |
| <TheLighty> ya sorry | |
| <|{evin> so you've got a base server, an ip on it, and ssh access | |
| <Zuph> what do you need to configure?\ | |
| <|{evin> (ssh open to the world is a bad idea, btw) | |
| <TheLighty> ya I see that | |
| <|{evin> I'd stick an ASA or 800-series router in front of it and set up vpn | |
| <TheLighty> they gave me root pass too | |
| <|{evin> 2 factor auth baby | |
| <|{evin> odd, Ubuntu's root account doesn't have a password by default | |
| <TheLighty> so how do I fisrt get the apache up then I want to secure it | |
| <TheLighty> this does | |
| <TheLighty> they put 6.10 up | |
| <|{evin> any Ubuntu has root disabled | |
| <TheLighty> like I said when I came in here | |
| <TheLighty> I am a boob to Ubuntu | |
| <|{evin> you normally have regular user accounts that are in the "admin" group... which gives them sudo access | |
| <|{evin> someone must have done "sudo passwd" and set a root password | |
| <TheLighty> that is what I read | |
| <|{evin> bad bad bad | |
| <TheLighty> admin login don't work | |
| <TheLighty> just root | |
| <|{evin> right, there's no "admin" account.. there's an "admin" group | |
| <|{evin> and if your user account is in the admin group, then you have sudo access | |
| <|{evin> but someone must have explicitly set a root password, which is imo, a bad idea. | |
| <TheLighty> Last login: Wed Mar 7 13:16:03 2007 from 74-129-215-19.dhcp.insightbb.com | |
| <TheLighty> Linux ubuntu 2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:52:28 UTC 2007 i686 | |
| <TheLighty> The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; | |
| <TheLighty> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the | |
| <TheLighty> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. | |
| <TheLighty> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by | |
| <TheLighty> applicable law. | |
| <TheLighty> root@ubuntu:~# | |
| <Zuph> having a root account on there isn't implicitely insecure, it's just easier to mess stuff up and make things insecure. | |
| <|{evin> if root doesn't have a password, it's impossible to brute-force :) | |
| <TheLighty> good point | |
| <|{evin> if you have a user account with sudo.. that adds one more piece of information that an attacker would need to have | |
| <|{evin> and if you _need_ a root shell... then you just "sudo -i" | |
| <|{evin> or "sudo -s" | |
| <Zuph> true | |
| <|{evin> no wonder I'm hungry | |
| <|{evin> it's 2 o'clock | |
| <|{evin> brb | |
| <TheLighty> so how should I secure this | |
| <TheLighty> any docs anywhere | |
| <TheLighty> I also need to add the rest of the ip's they gave me | |
| <Zuph> Unfortunately, I have no idea how to reasonably secure a linux server | |
| <Zuph> My plan is to back mine up really well and let it get hacked and fix it as it comes :-V | |
| <etank> TheLighty: do you have a user and password set for you? | |
| <TheLighty> ya root | |
| <TheLighty> I am looking for docs to set this up | |
| <etank> no i mean a non-root user | |
| <TheLighty> no | |
| <TheLighty> only pass they gave was root | |
| <etank> do this then | |
| <etank> adduser someusername | |
| <etank> where someusername is the user you want to log in as | |
| <etank> that will walk you through a few questions to set up your new account | |
| <TheLighty> what is room number | |
| <etank> don't worry about that part | |
| <etank> you can just hit enter and leave that part blank | |
| <etank> once it is done run | |
| <etank> usermod -g admin someusername | |
| <TheLighty> run that from root | |
| <TheLighty> or new user account | |
| <etank> a different way would be to do | |
| <TheLighty> confused | |
| <etank> nano /etc/group | |
| <TheLighty> usermod -g admin someusername < - - this here | |
| <TheLighty> you want that ran while in as root | |
| <etank> forget that part | |
| <etank> do the nano /etc/group | |
| <TheLighty> okay but am I suppose to be loged in as root or the new user account | |
| <etank> then type in your username at the end of each group name you want to be a part of | |
| <etank> do it as root | |
| <TheLighty> k | |
| <etank> my user info looks like this | |
| <etank> uid=1000(elake) gid=1000(elake) groups=1000(elake),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),111(lpadmin),113(powerdev),114(scanner),117(admin) | |
| <etank> that is from a default install | |
| <TheLighty> gotcha | |
| <etank> the main one for you to add uour username to is admin | |
| <etank> once you have done that then save the file and log out of the root account and test the new username | |
| <etank> also make sure that there is a dir /home/someusername and that your user is the owner | |
| <etank> if there is not then as root do a | |
| <etank> mkdir /etc/someusername | |
| <etank> then a | |
| <etank> chown someusername.someusername /home/someusername | |
| <TheLighty> I don't see a home folder | |
| <TheLighty> oops | |
| <TheLighty> nm it's there | |
| <etank> the mkdir command above should have been | |
| <etank> mkdir /home/someusername | |
| <etank> not /etc/someusername | |
| <etank> sorry about that | |
| <etank> so where is it now | |
| <TheLighty> got it | |
| <TheLighty> what next | |
| <TheLighty> say my name when your back, I am reading some tuts | |
| <etank> TheLighty: log out of the root accoount and then log in as the new user | |
| <TheLighty> okay | |
| <TheLighty> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by | |
| <TheLighty> applicable law. | |
| <TheLighty> Last login: Wed Mar 7 14:31:03 2007 from 74-129-215-19.dhcp.insightbb.com | |
| <TheLighty> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>". | |
| <TheLighty> See "man sudo_root" for details. | |
| <etank> ok | |
| <etank> try a simple admin task | |
| <etank> sudo aptitude update | |
| <etank> when it asks for the password type in your newuser password | |
| <etank> TheLighty: let me know if that works | |
| <TheLighty> it did not ask for pass | |
| <etank> what does your prompt show? | |
| <TheLighty> shows me as user | |
| <etank> did the command run? | |
| <TheLighty> thelighty@ubuntu:~$ | |
| <TheLighty> did nothing | |
| <TheLighty> I saw nothing | |
| <etank> run this command | |
| <etank> id thelighty | |
| <etank> then paste the output here | |
| <etank> |{evin: you back yet? | |
| <TheLighty> uid=1001(thelighty) gid=1001(thelighty) groups=1001(thelighty),0(root),1(daemon),2(bin),3(sys),4(adm),5(tty),6(disk),7(lp),8(mail),9(news),10(uucp),12(man),13(proxy),15(kmem),20(dialout),21(fax),22(voice),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),34(backup),37(operator),38(list),39(irc),40(src),41(gnats),42(shadow),43(utmp),44(video),45(sasl),46(plugdev),50(staff),60(games),100(users),65534(nogroup),101(dh | |
| <TheLighty> thelighty@ubuntu:~$ | |
| <TheLighty> does that look right | |
| <etank> did you add your username to the end of every line in /etc/group? | |
| <TheLighty> yes | |
| <TheLighty> wasn't I suppose too | |
| <etank> it should be on adm, dialout, cdrom, floppy, audio, dip, video, plugdev, netdev, lpadmin, powerdev, scanner, admin by default | |
| <etank> try removing it from the ones that are not listed | |
| <etank> then log out and log back in | |
| <TheLighty> k | |
| <etank> sorry for all the confussion | |
| <TheLighty> hey noproblem | |
| <TheLighty> your helping | |
| <etank> i am running Feisty too so some of the groups may not be the exact same | |
| <etank> but then the might be too | |
| * etank is not sure | |
| <TheLighty> shouldn't mail have access too | |
| <etank> it isnt on my box | |
| <TheLighty> okay all done | |
| <etank> logged out and back in too | |
| <etank> now run the | |
| <etank> sudo aptitude update | |
| <etank> once you enter your password it should scroll by with a lot of text | |
| <TheLighty> trying | |
| <TheLighty> still nothing | |
| <etank> when you log is it closing the ssh connection? | |
| <etank> it should be | |
| <TheLighty> what do you mean | |
| <TheLighty> the only way I can login is by ssh | |
| <etank> ok. just checking | |
| <etank> so what does it do / say when you run the sudo command? | |
| <TheLighty> nothing | |
| <etank> brb | |
| <TheLighty> k | |
| <etank> back now | |
| <etank> hey bkingx | |
| <bkingx> YO | |
| <etank> TheLighty: do the id command again and paste it here | |
| <bkingx> Wassup?! | |
| <etank> nada | |
| <bkingx> Cool...printers have been KILLING me today! | |
| <etank> i hate working with printers | |
| <bkingx> Especially through Terminal Servers! | |
| <etank> yuck :P | |
| <bkingx> So...what the heck are we gonna do about the web site? | |
| <etank> i say for the moment that we let it go and wait until we are approved. | |
| <etank> it sucks but we don't want to ruffle feathers | |
| <bkingx> K.... | |
| <bkingx> Can we redirect the domain to the wiki site? | |
| <bkingx> I can't do that on the DNS side on the domain. | |
| <bkingx> Were you talking to Jono on IRC? | |
| <|{evin> heh, I'm reading one of his books | |
| <bkingx> And can you search for a nickname throughout the entire server? | |
| <etank> yep | |
| <etank> that was a yep to the "talking to Jono on IRC?" | |
| <bkingx> And the second ques? | |
| <|{evin> * #jfduke n=jonof ppp102-143.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net irc.freenode.net JonoF H :0 Jonathon Fowler | |
| <|{evin> * *jono* :End of /WHO list. | |
| <etank> dont have a clue | |
| <etank> |{evin: to the rescue :D | |
| <etank> how did you do the search |{evin | |
| <bkingx> guess thatdoesn't tell us if he is in any channels, does it? | |
| <|{evin> /who *TEXT* | |
| <|{evin> if you have the nickname, just /whois NICKNAME | |
| <|{evin> * [bkingx] #ubuntu-kentucky | |
| <etank> is there a way to do a channel search like that | |
| <|{evin> /list *topic* | |
| <|{evin> hm | |
| <|{evin> apparently that doesn't work on freenode | |
| <etank> hello jkeyes0 | |
| <jkeyes0> hey etank | |
| <etank> how goes it | |
| <bkingx> I don't think THE jono is the one above. | |
| <bkingx> I think his name is jono Bacon. | |
| <|{evin> yeah | |
| <|{evin> I was just illustrating the search function | |
| <etank> what book are you reading |{evin | |
| <|{evin> Practical PHP and MySQL | |
| <etank> have you seen "Herding cats"? | |
| <|{evin> no | |
| <etank> it is a video he did on the Open Source community | |
| <|{evin> holy crap.. my master plan is starting to come together | |
| * |{evin laughs all evil-like | |
| <Koji-Murasame> Afternoon everyone. | |
| <etank> hi there | |
| <etank> |{evin: what is your evil plan??? | |
| <|{evin> we have lots of customers with Cisco's Call Manager Express | |
| <|{evin> but no way to audit calls | |
| <|{evin> I'm writing an application that logs all the call detail records to mysql for searching with a web front end | |
| <Zuph> that sounds delightfully evil | |
| <|{evin> most of the hard part is done, actually | |
| <|{evin> It's just logging to a text file at the moment.. but it parses it up nicely... | |
| <|{evin> Connection ID: 8F4D474ECC2511DB8110D0AEC5758857 | |
| <|{evin> Call Begins: 15:59:23.578 EST Wed Mar 7 2007 | |
| <|{evin> Call Ends: 15:59:27.638 EST Wed Mar 7 2007 | |
| <|{evin> Number: 104 | |
| <|{evin> Result: normal call clearing | |
| <Zuph> sweet | |
| <Zuph> I mean... evil | |
| <etank> bkingx: so were you going to email jono or something? | |
| <bkingx> I'd like to talk to him in real time, if I can find him. | |
| <etank> about what | |
| <bkingx> email is fine, but I think real-time chatting will be nice. | |
| <bkingx> the domain name. | |
| <bkingx> I've calmed down about it, but I still think we need the site and I would like to plead my case. | |
| <etank> isnt that already settled | |
| <bkingx> I just can't understand why they are holding everyone hostage to the wiki stuff. | |
| <jkeyes0> wait, what happened with the domain name? | |
| <etank> his statement was so that we had more time to build the team instead of working on a web site. | |
| <bkingx> I mean, from what you were saying earlier, evn if we become an aproved team, they want us to use the wii site. | |
| <bkingx> Dang...nice typing skillz | |
| <montgoej> wiki is great and all, but having an actual domain is so much better... | |
| <etank> nope | |
| <etank> once we are approved then it is a non issue | |
| <etank> montgoej: i agree | |
| <etank> but we need to follow their guidlines | |
| <bkingx> That's what I want more clarifyingon. | |
| <jkeyes0> wow. i've missed out on a lot. sadly, it's time to go home. later guys | |
| <bkingx> clarification. | |
| <bkingx> What is their thinking on spend more time building a team than a web site. | |
| <etank> use the wiki, forums, and mailing list to build the team | |
| <bkingx> I mean, creating and organizing the Wiki page is just as time consuming as creating a web site. | |
| <etank> but there you can have more people collaborating on it | |
| <bkingx> I just dont get it. I am a geek, and using the wiki is ..... | |
| <bkingx> I'm searching for the right language here..... | |
| <etank> its called English :) | |
| <bkingx> LOL...good one, Webster! | |
| <bkingx> In slang... Wiki pages suck! | |
| <bkingx> they are much too confusing, the breadcrumbs don't work, it all looks dull, etc, etc | |
| <bkingx> No navigation unless you code it on every page. | |
| <montgoej> using the wiki over the site is like being able to create something in marble, but only using a sandbox...sure the sandbox is faster, but someone can kick it over and break everything whenever they please, and in the end, the marble statue is so much better | |
| <bkingx> True, montgoej. The security is a concern. | |
| <bkingx> Frankly, I don't think anyone would do anything, but inadvertant information can be placed out there. | |
| <etank> time to go | |
| <TheLighty> back | |
| <bkingx> Like i could go out there and make a change that is totally wrong without knowing it. | |
| <TheLighty> hey guys | |
| <etank> i'll talk to you guys later | |
| <montgoej> yeah | |
| <bkingx> Ill talk to you later et | |
| <montgoej> see ya | |
| <bkingx> etank: | |
| <TheLighty> cya | |
| <bkingx> See a! | |
| <bkingx> fella's, I gotta go too | |
| <etank> |{evin: can you help TheLighty with his sudo root problem? | |
| <TheLighty> anyone here know how to add ip's to server interfaces file | |
| <bkingx> I'm 2 hours from home and need to get ont he road. | |
| <TheLighty> I am pass that | |
| <TheLighty> server is up and running | |
| <TheLighty> just trying to figure out how to add the other ip's | |
| <bkingx> So what are you doing, TheLighty ? | |
| <TheLighty> using ubuntu on a dedicated server in Madison Ohio | |
| <bkingx> NM.... |{evin is better than I am | |
| <TheLighty> going to be running some CS game servers on it | |
| <bkingx> K | |
| <sjust1227> hi all | |
| <bkingx> Hey sjust1227 ! | |
| <bkingx> I hate to say hi and run, but i got to get on the road. | |
| <bkingx> I'm 2 hours from home and need to get started. | |
| <sjust1227> how is every one | |
| <bkingx> I'll be back on later tonight. | |
| <bkingx> TheLighty: |{evin should be able to help you out. | |
| <bkingx> Later guys! | |
| <sjust1227> 2 hrs rush hr traffic not good | |
| <srwalter> anyone know is bkingx is going to try to make the UKLUG meeting tonight? | |
| <srwalter> he (or anyone) can contact me at 270/217-1259 if they want directions | |
| <TheLighty> |{evin you around yet | |
| <Zuph> haha, home and jambalaya is cooking |