| <PriceChild> I've just realised there's an entry fee to Lugradio live! :O :P | |
| * X3N things of getting one of these http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/northbridgecooling/tr-hr-05-sli | |
| <X3N> *thinks | |
| <X3N> *about | |
| <PriceChild> jono, I noticed I can't get a concession for lugradio live for being a student :( | |
| <PriceChild> :P | |
| <jono> PriceChild: of course you can :) | |
| <PriceChild> Any idea how much its gonna be? | |
| <PriceChild> Not that I'm extremely strapped for cash and need to plan ahead... just bored and making conversation :) | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <Seeker`> I'm getting high pings from one box on the networking | |
| <Seeker`> pinging bath.ac.uk gives me about 20ms from 2 boxes | |
| <Seeker`> and between 40 and 600ish on a 3rd box | |
| <Seeker`> any suggestions as to the high ping? | |
| <Seeker`> the box with the high ping is on wireless | |
| <Seeker`> as is one of the other boxes with decent ping | |
| <X3N> have a look at it's /usr/sbin/tcpdump | |
| <Seeker`> tcpdump: no suitable device found | |
| <Seeker`> fscking wind | |
| <PriceChild> jono, Why when I download the lug radio podcast in amarok does it not sort the time out properly :P | |
| <jono> PriceChild: post to the LR forums, I think others have had that before | |
| <PriceChild> Hehe ok | |
| <PriceChild> amarok carries on playing but my ipod gets stuck and stops :( | |
| * PriceChild will stop bothering you now | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Woo! <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/140093.html> | |
| <amoun> Hi folks I'm rather new to Ubuntu. Can't get on-line with my laptop so am using XP at the moment | |
| <amoun> Meanwhile I have a query about font rendering. Is anyone up for it? | |
| <amoun> bye | |
| <GazzaK> Morning UK'ers | |
| *** GazzaK_ is now known as GazzaK | |
| <popey> morning | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <AndrewB> Hey mrben | |
| <mrben> 'This was better than I expected and is quite frankly, the coolest UI I've experienced to date. It takes the best features of the other OSes and gives all of them to you, in addition to a host of other custom effects.' | |
| <mrben> nice compliment for Beryl | |
| <popey> GazzaK: remember I said my friend here could not get the compiz cube working, he mailed me with the solution he got it working.. | |
| <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/82957 | |
| <ubot3> Malone bug 82957 in compiz "[compiz] Cube does not work " [Undecided,Confirmed] | |
| <popey> "If you want a cube change the following settins in gconf-editor to: | |
| <popey> /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize: 4 | |
| <popey> and | |
| <popey> /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/number_of_desktops: 1 | |
| <popey> Then you have a cube. | |
| <GazzaK> popey, I read it :p | |
| <popey> oh ok | |
| <popey> sorry | |
| <GazzaK> ace, woooo | |
| <GazzaK> but it still plays up, with maximising and minimising windows, ie xchat and evolution | |
| <popey> other bugs? | |
| <GazzaK> thanks popey for that though | |
| <GazzaK> well maybe, clicking "enable effects" messes up the currently open windows | |
| <popey> ooo http://www.bbspot.com/ daily links \o/ | |
| <GazzaK> popey, seems that if the desktop effects are turned on, before any applications are opened, they are fine | |
| <popey> wonder if it is a problem with the window decorator | |
| <GazzaK> but if it is enabled whilst applications are open, they mess up a bit | |
| <schwuk> Anyone using Feisty on a MacBook? | |
| <daviey> Hey, i have a problem connecting to a WPA2 Enterprise network using nm-applet. It works fine using wpa_supplicant from the console tho. Any ideas? | |
| <daviey> i can pastebin my conf for wpa-supplicant if that helps | |
| <DaveMorri2> [OFF TOPIC] Does anyone here have a Wii? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> I do | |
| <DaveMorri2> I assume it can't be used as a wirless router | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> its a game console :) | |
| <popey> it has no ethernet built in, only wireless | |
| <popey> you can buy usb ethernet adapters for them, but the wii itself uses that to talk to the internet, not to share out your net connection | |
| <DaveMorri2> yea, basically I don't have wireless, so I'll be using a LAN adapter, and I was wondering if people would be able to come in to my network via the wireless on the Wii | |
| <popey> no | |
| <popey> why not buy a wireless access point rather than pay for the lan dongle for the wii? | |
| <popey> much more flexible | |
| <DaveMorri2> already have LAN under the TV | |
| <popey> so put the AP under the TV then | |
| <DaveMorri2> but a dongle is cheaper :) | |
| <popey> how much is the dongle? | |
| <DaveMorri2> got one sitting on my desk at work :) | |
| <popey> the nintendo one? | |
| <DaveMorri2> no a USB one, gonna see if it works | |
| <popey> i doubt it will | |
| <DaveMorri2> but the Nintendo ones are only around £16 | |
| <popey> apparently some do work, some dont | |
| <popey> suspect the nintendo one uses some chipset that some devices use | |
| <treb0r> could somebody tell me the easy way to get a list of all the 'extra' packages I have installed on my system, that I can use to tell apt what to install, should I need to reformat my drive, etc? | |
| <DaveMorri2> dpkg --list tells you everything thats installed | |
| <popey> dpkg --get-selections | |
| <popey> and | |
| <popey> dpkg --set-selections on your new pc | |
| <treb0r> popey: perfect, thanks dude :) | |
| <treb0r> I'm going to do a clean install of feisty when it arrives. been upgrading since breezy | |
| <popey> it may breaj | |
| <popey> break | |
| <DaveMorri2> popey: Isn't that everything, rather than whats been installed on top of the defaults you get from say an edgy cd | |
| <popey> because package names will differ | |
| <popey> yes, but that doesn't matter DaveMorri2 | |
| <popey> it will ignore whats already installed | |
| <treb0r> I don't mind - at least I will have a record.. | |
| <popey> treb0r: http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/DebianTips | |
| <popey> "Can I clone an existing Debian install on another machine?" | |
| <treb0r> great. | |
| <daviey> Oh great, we have an 'ultimate edition' http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/index.html | |
| <daviey> def. 'Ultimate' - "being the last or concluding element of a series;" So maybe feisty won't get released? :P | |
| <popey> seems like a monumental waste of time | |
| <popey> why not just document how to install all that crud on a normal system | |
| <DaveMorri2> they prob wanna put 'Manages and releases Linux distro" on there CV | |
| <daviey> a 'fork' | |
| <popey> it contributes to partner points too :) | |
| <daviey> mind you, he reckons he had > 15,000 downloads of his christmas edition! | |
| <daviey> thats more than kubuntu aint it? | |
| <popey> downloads != users | |
| <popey> Id be more interested in looking at the usage stats of his repository | |
| <popey> given its only used by users of his distro | |
| <daviey> if then it's not ideal. You could log by IP, but doesn't account for dynamics | |
| <popey> i wasnt suggesting it was a good measure, just that I would like to see it | |
| <gord> its such a nice day today ^_^ | |
| <GazzaK> rain rain sun rain | |
| <GazzaK> and some arse has parked too close to my car | |
| * GazzaK goes outside with a clue by four | |
| <gord> thats an odd way to spell two o_O | |
| <GazzaK> yep | |
| <GazzaK> to beat a clue into the muppet who can't park right | |
| <GazzaK> actually, just seen security goe over to him and tell him to go away, yay | |
| <GazzaK> s/goe/go | |
| <gord> you should steal the kinda stuff security wears, then you could tell people where to go all day long | |
| <GazzaK> gord, I have a hi vis :-) | |
| <daviey> So if i have a hi viz jacket, can i tell people to 'get fsck'd' with immunity? | |
| <gord> you can try | |
| <daviey> brb | |
| <GazzaK> you might get fsck'd yourself trying that though | |
| <daviey> thanks gord; now i have the sack :¬ | |
| <GazzaK> :p | |
| <gord> hurrarh | |
| <jodema> hello | |
| <daviey> Hi jodema | |
| <gord> g'afternoon' | |
| <jodema> Thanks for the welcome unfortunatly i've got to go now so will be back when I've got more time. Never been on IRC before just found out how to make it work. | |
| <daviey> make sure you come back soon! | |
| <gord> bring cake! | |
| <gord> dang it! | |
| <daviey> grr | |
| <popey> ho ho ho http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6418965.stm | |
| <daviey> It's an achievement! Out of 17 tested they were the *only* one to 'win' | |
| <gord> hip hip! | |
| <Norf-ubu> g'day | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <gord> hrmm, actually while I'm here http://uploader.polorix.net//files/153/GimpIntro_x264Vorbis.ogg <--- "for your consideration" mr popey and screencast peoples | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <daviey> open format - good lad | |
| <popey> all our screencasts are in open formats ;p | |
| <gord> the audio is pretty rubbish, have to smooth it out slightly and im going to have to retouch the colour for a theora build as theora sucks the colour out of movies like you wouldn't beleve. but apart from that its pretty much done. full of blender goodness -_- | |
| <daviey> would it be okay to make a screencast with Mr Festival speaking on my behalf? | |
| <popey> why? | |
| * daviey thinks a person should never have to listen to their own voice - it's wrong | |
| <popey> you dont have to | |
| <popey> we do | |
| <popey> and so do you unless you have some kind of odd arrangement of mouth and ears | |
| <daviey> you know what i mean... | |
| <gord> I went with the 'record video then record small snippits of audio, edit it all together' method... Iv pratically spent the last week mostly listening to myself talk... this week Iv been rather silent | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <daviey> gord, what did you use to edit? | |
| <GazzaK> gord, do you sound sexy? | |
| <gord> blender, it has a 'sequencer' so you can lay down different tracks and blend them around with each other n stuff | |
| <gord> I wish GazzaK, I sound like a geek with long hair, which is rather apt as I am a geek with long hair | |
| <GazzaK> that reminds me, I need a haircut | |
| <Norf-ubu> ive been told i have a face for radio :| | |
| <GazzaK> haha | |
| <daviey> gord, beard? | |
| <Norf-ubu> problem is i sound like a typical cheesy late night radio DJ | |
| <Norf-ubu> "Late n Live with Norf FM" | |
| <gord> I tried once daviey, I thought it would fit but everyone I knew went 'o_O'. I thought it was pretty rockin though | |
| <daviey> gord, it suits everybody, and saves time & money | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, it so doesn't suit everyone | |
| <daviey> it's the uniform to say, I am a *nix geek | |
| <popey> so would you like to create some screencasts for us daviey ? | |
| <daviey> I could give it a crack; but my blender skills are weak | |
| <popey> you dont need blender | |
| <daviey> kino? :P | |
| <popey> i didn't use kino either | |
| <daviey> what do you use? | |
| <popey> the tools I used included:- | |
| <gord> I just used blender cos thats what Im familiar with daviey :) my strange methodology is not recommended in any way shape or form | |
| <popey> qemu, xvidcap, audacity, avidemux, ffmpeg, ffmpeg2theora | |
| <daviey> qemu? | |
| <daviey> what for? | |
| <gord> or if you don't have a machine that has more power than a small country like popey here, I found recordmydesktop very very good | |
| <GazzaK> damnit, I cannot play ogg video files, again | |
| <popey> what resolution did you use gord ? | |
| <gord> if your trying to play my file GazzaK, you'll need some extra codecs (gstreamer ones do fine), h264 is governed by a us patent I think | |
| <gord> 1024x768 popey, although recordmydesktop can handle any resolution you throw at it really, it just gets the bits that change in xserver and does all the encoding after you stop the recoding | |
| <gord> recoding = recording* | |
| <popey> yeah, i have used recordmydesktop | |
| <popey> i chose not to use it because it only records to ogg/vorbis/theora | |
| <popey> when I looked at it.. that may have changed | |
| <gord> nah still only vorbis/theora but it encodes at a high enough bitrate that the quality is top notch | |
| <popey> why did you use x264 rather than vorbis? | |
| <gord> x264 is a video encoder, I used vorbis for the audio. x264 is the best video encoding software around at the moment, with the focus on 'much higher quality for the same bitrate' | |
| <Norf-ubu> BLATANT PLUG! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Skills?action=show&redirect=UKSkills | |
| <GazzaK> gord, I have the gstreamer plugins, still no showy | |
| <popey> its the size | |
| <GazzaK> is it due to the rubbish gpu in this machine? | |
| <popey> we are considering reducing the resolution down to 800x600 for most screencasts | |
| <popey> gord: one of the aims of the screencast project is that the videos *must* play out of the box on linux | |
| <popey> no additional codecs required | |
| <popey> we can provide videos in multiple formats, but one of them must be ogg/vorbis/theora type thing | |
| <popey> when people send me the master, I can transcode down to that | |
| <gord> thats just for the whole review thing you said about popey, the main encoder of the screencast is going to be in vorbis/theora | |
| <popey> cool | |
| <popey> just wanted to make sure you knew | |
| <popey> which you did | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> i will have to watch this tonight when I get home | |
| <gord> :) Im not sure if I am even going to use the x264 encode at all, because its in development still, so something made with say feisty might not work on a dapper install. I just used it here because Its what I know best and it gives the highest quality I know. | |
| <popey> sure, makes total sense | |
| * X3N_ prods popey with ssh -vv | |
| *** X3N_ is now known as X3N | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <popey> I have some good news on that score | |
| <popey> we have been offered an entire virtual server :) | |
| <popey> only a small one, but it is a full server nonetheless :) | |
| <popey> which means you can have ssh and we can install ubuntu on it :) | |
| <X3N> awsome | |
| <popey> indeed | |
| <popey> right now though they have run out of space on the existing server, so we need to wait a few weeks until their new server is commissioned | |
| <popey> I'll keep you informed | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Music <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/140514.html> | |
| <popey> then comes the decision - dapper or edgy :) | |
| <Norf-ubu> cheers X3N | |
| <daviey> popey, can we XDMCP into it? :P | |
| <popey> in a word, no | |
| <X3N> there are quite aq few updates on the wiki page to the planet config now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet | |
| <popey> it will "only" have 128MB RAM | |
| <popey> which would be sufficient | |
| <popey> oh X3N ? which ones? | |
| <popey> ahh, the ones after james pain | |
| <X3N> yeah | |
| <X3N> i ususally check out the blog before putting it on just incase it's all madness | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <popey> I worry about having paul mellors on there :S | |
| <popey> he seems to go from pro-ubuntu one day to massively pro vista the next | |
| <popey> then goes off on one ranting about everything | |
| <X3N> I think i added sionide's | |
| <X3N> though i used the category on his blog | |
| <popey> no, sionide wasnt there | |
| <popey> and andyb has a dodgy url | |
| <popey> http://www.libervis.com/blogs/rss.php?blogId=23&profile=atom is better | |
| <X3N> ah the config file must have been from before i did that | |
| <popey> added them | |
| <popey> and forcing an update of the planet now | |
| <popey> done | |
| <gord> y'know what would be a good idea for a movie? ducks as big as polar bears take over the world in order to have our bread for which they do not have the means to make (no hands), thus humanity is enslaved as bakers | |
| <GazzaK> gord, leave the drugs alone... | |
| <X3N> better than snakes on a plane | |
| <GazzaK> :-) | |
| <popey> i watched snakes on a plane for the first time last week | |
| <popey> it's okay, not that good really | |
| <gord> I just happen to think that really big versions of small animals aer cool GazzaK :P | |
| * popey checks his amazon rental list to see whats next | |
| <GazzaK> okay, yeah right | |
| <GazzaK> gord, hehe | |
| <popey> ooo next dvd due on 18th march | |
| <popey> Borat! | |
| <GazzaK> I want a giant beaver | |
| <popey> mmm nice beaver | |
| <GazzaK> or a giant cock | |
| <gord> borat is ok but if you ever watched the tv series he had over here you'll know what to expect, same thing but with a story line | |
| <popey> sure | |
| <GazzaK> erm, as in cluck cluck, chicken type cock | |
| <popey> it's just switch off telly | |
| <GazzaK> think of the omelettes | |
| <popey> mmmm eggs | |
| <gord> omelette du fromage | |
| <GazzaK> and think of the walks as well.... | |
| <daviey> apparently Borat turned up at an award ceremony in a cart. The donkey was in the cart with him, and two peasant women were pulling him! | |
| <GazzaK> hehe | |
| <GazzaK> Norf-ubu, I added some stuff to the skillz page | |
| <gord> I heard that borat 2 is in the works... if its done in the same documentary way I don't have high hopes | |
| <Norf-ubu> cheers GazzaK - muchly appreciated, hopefully make it easier in future for events / projects | |
| <X3N> I thought borat was hilarious | |
| <X3N> it has the same sort of qualities for showing how strange people are as lious theroux's interviews | |
| <gord> I hope he gets a new series, I loved his shows n the recent one off just let me know what we are missing :( | |
| <Sionide> pfft borat was awful | |
| <Sionide> ali g is way funnier | |
| <popey> hmmm | |
| <X3N> <=> | |
| <popey> heheh | |
| <gord> ali g wasn't very good I thought | |
| <popey> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3536082480.html | |
| <popey> tux shaped pc! | |
| <mrben> iwoot! | |
| <gord> Im still not a fan of tux, a panda linux logo would be much better | |
| <mrben> /kick gord tux is cool! | |
| <popey> Heathen! | |
| <mrben> indeed | |
| <mrben> popey: only €186 | |
| <mrben> about £100, I guess | |
| <treb0r> anybody testing feisty? how's it coming along? | |
| <chrisbudden14> its very good | |
| <treb0r> is it likely that my laptop w/ ati radeon m9 card will support 3d eye candy out of the box? | |
| <Norf-ubu> herd 5 installed here - seems ok - minor prop with HAL not initialising on bootup - but thats a timing issue | |
| * popey has feisty on his desktop and laptop | |
| <popey> actually, two laptops | |
| <chrisbudden14> http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8200/dscn3125vi7.jpg | |
| <treb0r> is it fairly stable? | |
| <chrisbudden14> check out my brilliant laptop cooling ystem | |
| <chrisbudden14> system | |
| <gord> no real problems with feisty over here | |
| <Norf-ubu> stable here - no probs | |
| <Norf-ubu> apart from HAL as mentioned - but thats me with auto login - delay it by 30 secs and its fine | |
| <treb0r> hmm. I'm tempted to give it a go. how easy is it to upgrade from herd5 to the final release? | |
| <chrisbudden14> ive found my fan doesnt kick in enough | |
| <chrisbudden14> or as often as it does in edgy | |
| <chrisbudden14> and my laptop got to 81 degrees | |
| <treb0r> my fan drives me to distraction. I'm gonna get me a core 2 duo soon.. | |
| <Norf-ubu> no ideas with the final upgrade - someone else better field that one | |
| <gord> it will upgrade naturally though the update manager | |
| <treb0r> hmm. interesting.. | |
| <Norf-ubu> i solved fan noise. larger fan on the 5v rail - runs slower, less noise but same airflow | |
| <gord> ie: there is no 'please update me to the latest release', but rather you just keep updating all the time | |
| <chrisbudden14> im on a laptop | |
| <Norf-ubu> ahhhhhhhh | |
| <Norf-ubu> i'll husg | |
| <Norf-ubu> hush* | |
| <treb0r> so there's no real reason to wait for the final release then | |
| <treb0r> I might as well jump in and start testing, maybe even earn some karma :) | |
| <gord> if you want a 'it will definitely work' computer then there is a reason to wait for the final release. thats the nice thing about final releases, they don't suddenly change the xorg code that breaks so you can't get a display going or something ;) | |
| <treb0r> yes, but I'm not a patient man :) I can handle the odd problem or two.. | |
| <gord> hehe, the simpsons movie keeps looking better and better :D (although that might just be that the trailers are in HD -_-) | |
| <mrben> gord: new trailers? | |
| <gord> not new new, I just only saw the third one just now | |
| <mrben> hmmm - I think I've only seen the short teaser | |
| <mrben> and now I've seen the one from the website.... | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Essjay makes the BBC news site's rss feed <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/140751.html> | |
| <VooDoo> afternoon | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <AndrewB> popey: did you get the planet sorted for my URL? I was away | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <AndrewB> err | |
| <AndrewB> hmm | |
| * AndrewB isnt on planet. | |
| * VooDoo isn't either. | |
| <VooDoo> then again i havn't posted much about ubuntu lately anyway :s | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <popey> was earlier | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> yeah, I see both of them | |
| <popey> http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/ | |
| <AndrewB> hmm | |
| <AndrewB> cache | |
| * AndrewB was looking at http://www.ubuntu-uk.org/planet/ | |
| <VooDoo> ah i see what i was doing...doh! http://wwwubuntu-uk.org/planet :) oops | |
| <popey> should be the same | |
| <popey> yup | |
| <popey> same | |
| <VooDoo> hmm not on my machine :s | |
| <AndrewB> VooDoo: maybe your cache | |
| <popey> both sites are served up from the same physical directory | |
| <popey> refresh your browser | |
| <VooDoo> yeah i'm just checking that :s | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <AndrewB> popey: is there anyreason why it shows my email on each post? or is that the blog providers fault? | |
| <AndrewB> by AndrewB (andrew.alex.barber@gmail.com) at March 04, 2007 05:18 PM | |
| <VooDoo> doh! :) | |
| <popey> yup AndrewB | |
| <popey> nothing to do with us | |
| <AndrewB> Ok. | |
| <popey> we just grab the contents of the rss feed | |
| <AndrewB> Yeah. | |
| <popey> I had to adjust the url you gave us | |
| <popey> you gave us the url to your blog, not the rss feed | |
| <popey> so i assume I got the right feed? | |
| <AndrewB> Ohh sorry. | |
| <AndrewB> Yup | |
| <popey> np | |
| <popey> only took ~5 seconds to find :) | |
| <AndrewB> I will say it was late or night or so ;) | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> we all have those moments | |
| <VooDoo> neone played with herd5 ? how different is it to 4? | |
| * popey is running feisty | |
| <popey> latest up to date - so herd5 + updates | |
| <popey> I like it | |
| <VooDoo> i'll give it a go on the lappy then | |
| <VooDoo> i'm sure it will play nicely with vista :s | |
| <AndrewB> ewww | |
| <AndrewB> :p | |
| <popey> i installed vista on my laptop as a test | |
| <popey> it couldn't find the sound card | |
| <popey> I wiped it very soon after | |
| <VooDoo> i've had a few problems with it, nothing that a fdisk won't cure :) | |
| <GazzaK> I tried vista, a beta, it would not install, phew | |
| * AndrewB hasn't got the spec to run Vista.. and wouldn't run it if he did. | |
| <VooDoo> honestly i quite like it, but it's just not for me | |
| <popey> you're so fickle VooDoo | |
| <VooDoo> yeah i am :s | |
| <VooDoo> my mate liked it, then commented on how he's had the same features in his mac for years :) | |
| <popey> I had redhat for a few years, then at redhat 7 I switched to debian, and when ubuntu came out i switched to that.. | |
| <popey> ..haven't switched again since | |
| <VooDoo> i've just discovered debian, i quite like that too :) | |
| <GazzaK> ubuntu was the first linux I tried, but since that I tried a fair few, but keep coming back to Uby, 'cos of people like popey | |
| <AndrewB> bbl work time. | |
| <popey> lol | |
| <GazzaK> the community here is great | |
| <GazzaK> not "just" you popey | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <GazzaK> but all the people who have been nice to me | |
| <popey> yeah, getting a head-swell | |
| <popey> \o/ <before after> \O/ | |
| <VooDoo> ubuntu sucks..... | |
| * VooDoo ducks | |
| <popey> \o/ nice people | |
| <VooDoo> im only joking | |
| *** stdin_ is now known as stdin | |
| <popey> don't feed the troll | |
| <VooDoo> :) | |
| <VooDoo> i love the idea of this easy codec in feisty might save a hell of alot of time :) | |
| <AndrewB> pft | |
| * AndrewB throws a popey at GazzaK | |
| <AndrewB> ;) | |
| * GazzaK puts him in his cellar | |
| <AndrewB> eek | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <VooDoo> with the easy codec part of feisty does that include wmv support ? | |
| <AndrewB> A wine celler, or one of the non-wine ones? | |
| <GazzaK> erm, the dungeon type ones | |
| <AndrewB> Damn that sucks, | |
| <AndrewB> Well I suppose it is better than work. | |
| <GazzaK> yeah | |
| <VooDoo> brb | |
| <GazzaK> mind you my work is boring | |
| <GazzaK> I've done very little today | |
| <AndrewB> So is a dungeon.. | |
| <togster> evening all | |
| <cinex> hey folks | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <cinex> how do you "make isntall" into a 'fake root' ? (I want to tarball up the completed install) | |
| <popey> you could use checkinstall | |
| <cinex> ? | |
| <popey> which would make a nice .deb for you :) | |
| <cinex> I dont know much about those. being able to have all the codecs and default skin/font set in mplayer would be nice. it could do that ? | |
| <popey> you want to recompile mplayer? | |
| <cinex> I've compiled it. I've got it all set up. I just want to install it fuss-free next time. | |
| <cinex> the fake root would be a nice way. | |
| <popey> checkinstall is better | |
| <popey> it makes a .deb which is the package system ubuntu uses | |
| <popey> so you can do "sudo dpkg -i <packagename>" | |
| <cinex> "checkinstall -D make install" | |
| <popey> just checkinstall | |
| <popey> it will do the make and make install for you | |
| <cinex> in the source directory? | |
| <popey> yus | |
| <cinex> that wont extract the default skin/install codecs/setup default font though. | |
| <cinex> i might as well just type: "make install" every time I want to install it. | |
| <Seeker`> how often do you want to install it? | |
| <cinex> beats me. but I dont want to link everything together if/when I do | |
| <popey> no | |
| <popey> it's the ./configure you use to set those options surely? | |
| <cinex> ther eis a program called fakeroot | |
| <cinex> I didn't realise | |
| <popey> seriously, checkinstall is what you want | |
| <cinex> a tarball is what I want | |
| <popey> Seeker`: did you want to be removed from the planet? | |
| <popey> why a tarball? | |
| <cinex> why not a tarball | |
| <popey> you bypass the package management with a tarball | |
| <popey> which is sub-optimal | |
| <popey> with checkinstall you can install the package once on one machine or on many machines | |
| <popey> you can easily remove it | |
| <cinex> yeah thanks. | |
| <cinex> ill do it YOUR way. to suit YOU | |
| <popey> hahaha | |
| <popey> well you could of course explain what you actually want to do | |
| <popey> rather than me have to make assumptions | |
| <cinex> I want to install mplayer (from source) into ~/fakeroot/ | |
| <cinex> so that I can tarball it. | |
| <popey> why do you want to tarball it? | |
| <cinex> it doesn't matter; forget it. | |
| <popey> fair enough | |
| <popey> just trying to help | |
| <cinex> no, your not. your trying to tell me im a mornon and I should create a deb package, | |
| <popey> oh really | |
| <popey> thanks for that | |
| <popey> actually I felt that I didnt understand your requirement | |
| <popey> and may have given duff advice | |
| <popey> sorry about that | |
| <popey> my mistake | |
| <cinex> you didn't understand my reasoning. you understood what I wanted to do just fine. | |
| <popey> Look, now you're making assumptions about me, I'd just quit now whilst we're not ahead. | |
| <Seeker`> popey: No, why? | |
| * LoudMouthMan raises eyebrow | |
| <Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Hello Seeker` .. Im AM really SORRY about missing last night. Ive been up to my eyes in installing windows on laptops and workstations! | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: not a problem | |
| <Seeker`> well, missing the meeting isn't a problem - installing windows is | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heeheh got me ! guilty ! | |
| <Seeker`> still busy with work then? | |
| <popey> ah sorry not you | |
| <popey> medders: did you want removing from the planet? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh my gods yeah . im trying to hit 12k a month to enable sharon to come out full time with me which lets us make a larger family and have job security ... | |
| <LoudMouthMan> then we can move to get in a subbie to help with some of the remote work , which I hope inthe long run will be dave godwins lot but it needs more planning/co-ordination . | |
| <Seeker`> wow, thats uite a lot of money | |
| <LoudMouthMan> nah its about 4days a week and im doing 3 at present. and you need to target 3 times the planned income to make sure you have tax and cost of sales covered. | |
| * Seeker` gets 12k in 9 months :P | |
| * Seeker` hopes that he can get a bit more when he isnt a student | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heheh yeah but you get 20 days( or some such ) a year paid plus paid sick leave and other benefits. | |
| <Seeker`> 28 days i think | |
| <LoudMouthMan> if you work . and as a student . im still bloody furious that the guys in charge set the policies on cost of education when they had theirs paid for! | |
| <daviey> Seeker`, can i ask why your getting 12k? | |
| <Seeker`> daviey: Thats for 9 months, and I'm a placement student | |
| <daviey> Your sandwich employer is paying you 12k for 9 months? | |
| <Seeker`> no, they are paying me roughly that rate, for 12 months | |
| <daviey> ahhh | |
| * Seeker` knows people getting 33k for their placement year | |
| <daviey> Will the job be *nix based? | |
| * daviey knew people getting £200 p/m when they were doing placements | |
| <Seeker`> daviey: I'm on placment now, and I do get to use ubuntu | |
| <Seeker`> but the job is relatively os-independant | |
| <daviey> im intrigued, is it a major employer? | |
| <Seeker`> they are a fairly major company | |
| <daviey> ahh, your going to be a java dev? | |
| <Seeker`> i was doing web dev, am now doing mobile phone dev | |
| <popey> you are at voda arent you? | |
| <Seeker`> popey: yep | |
| <popey> i know someone who just started there | |
| <Seeker`> popey: What department? | |
| <popey> he is.. | |
| <popey> hang on, I have his job title here... | |
| <popey> sounds impressive :) | |
| <popey> "Head of Regional Service & Vendor Management at Vodafone" | |
| <popey> Tony King | |
| <Seeker`> ooooh | |
| <Seeker`> I'll never have anything to do with him | |
| <Seeker`> 1. I'm a student | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ooh Tony King ! | |
| <Seeker`> 2. I'm just an R&D person | |
| <Seeker`> 3. I'm a contractor | |
| <daviey> I know of the facilities manager there | |
| <LoudMouthMan> nope never 'eard of 'im ! | |
| <Seeker`> which puts me right on the bottom rung of just about every ladder | |
| <Seeker`> they wont even give me an elastic thing to put my access badge on | |
| <popey> he is probably somewhere near the top :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker` maybe you should get lanyard from orange to put it on whilst working there! | |
| * Seeker` has found a "Carbide C++" one from the Symbian Smartphone show | |
| <ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Cisco software linux update <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/141042.html> | |
| <daviey> Hey, anybody know how to convert true color image to 256 colours? | |
| <cinex> save it as a gif ? | |
| <daviey> i'll try it, cheers | |
| <daviey> seemed to work, thanks | |
| <cinex> k | |
| <cinex> Number of colours2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 or 256 | |
| <cinex> (for gif) | |
| <X3N> hmm james pain seems to have added him self to my list of skills on the skills page | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: huh? | |
| <X3N> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Skills | |
| * Seeker` doesn't see why people are putting their stuff on more than 1 line | |
| <X3N> to stop the table getting too wide | |
| <popey> easier to read | |
| <Seeker`> easier to screw up too :P | |
| * LoudMouthMan rubs his hands in the style of Xargon fromYellow pages .. soon my mini ubuntu recruitment agency will be complete ! | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: oh? | |
| <X3N> shall we raise some money to get an advert for ubuntu | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well i figure I just need to find the contracts which match the skills then pimp everyone out !<grin> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and take the traditional 60% | |
| <daviey> X3N, i thought about a drive to raise money to adopt a penguin at my local zoo. Sadly they won't let us name it. :( | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well the zoo already has a name ? .. ohh the penguin .. I geddit . | |
| <X3N> if we could name the zoo that would be way better | |
| <Seeker`> hehe | |
| * Seeker` would call it "Bob" | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I can see it now .. UbuntZoo .. or even better ZooBuntoo | |
| <X3N> probably exists already | |
| <popey> i want a python app created | |
| <popey> i want it to be open source | |
| <popey> and I am willing to pay someone to make it | |
| <Seeker`> popey: to do what? | |
| <X3N> people should be encouraged to use meta packages and setup their own repo instead of starting 10000 of ubuntu deriviatives | |
| <popey> long story Seeker` | |
| <popey> hey jono you might knkw | |
| <popey> er know | |
| <popey> I want a python app created, but dont have the time/skill to do it myself, so willing pay someone to do it | |
| <X3N> he might also knkw | |
| <popey> who would do this as a bit of contract work? | |
| <jono> hey | |
| <popey> its only a small app | |
| <X3N> sounds like some kind of dance | |
| <Seeker`> popey: You have to actually say what you want the app to do | |
| <popey> no i dont | |
| <LoudMouthMan> X3n APP DANCE ? no .. dont think were allowed them inchannel. | |
| <jono> popey: there are a few places, but they are often expensiv | |
| <X3N> it's a mind reading app ! | |
| <jono> expensive | |
| <popey> not until I find a developer i dont | |
| <popey> define expensive? | |
| <Seeker`> and why does it have to be python? | |
| * LoudMouthMan just uses freelancer.net for his app needs. | |
| <X3N> ask sladen to do it, he'll do it for some bread and olive oil | |
| <jono> X3N: haha | |
| <LoudMouthMan> who popeyes gf ? | |
| <popey> i might just blog the spec and see if someone picks it up | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey .. genius ! | |
| <X3N> or put it on launchy pad | |
| <Seeker`> popey: why does it have to be python? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> put dear lazy web infront and its bound to catch on ! | |
| <popey> Seeker`: because I want it developed for me, so I can understand it | |
| <popey> yeah, that was the idea LoudMouthMan | |
| * Seeker` needs to learn Symbian C++ | |
| <LoudMouthMan> uh yeah that was the irony <griin> | |
| <X3N> you're going to ask for something written in CAPS or something arn't you ? ;) | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> nope, its actually quite simple | |
| <popey> I dont expect it to take that long | |
| <popey> I have made some simple demos myself already | |
| <X3N> write a program to say hello world with a gtk box, just.. you're only allowed to use capital letters and special characters ? | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: That would be perl :P | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well if its short . i do python and am for hire. | |
| <X3N> or written in python bindings for pascal lol | |
| * Seeker` started learning python the other day | |
| <popey> the other option is of course to just knuckle down and write it myself | |
| <LoudMouthMan> programming languages are not hard really . im sure youd crack it yourself onthe train over the course ofa few days. | |
| <Seeker`> does anyone know the secret to Symbian C++? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah write it in Java <grin duck and run like f**k> | |
| <X3N> what's the difference between that and normal C++ | |
| <X3N> LoudMouthMan: no no, VB.NET ;) | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: You have to conform to all of Symbians quirks | |
| <popey> LoudMouthMan: yeah, time is the thing | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yes .. absolutely ! .. | |
| <popey> getting time to sit down and code | |
| <Seeker`> there is (virtually) no documentation | |
| <Seeker`> and what documentation there is, is inconsistant | |
| <X3N> java isn't as taboo anymore is it ? now that it's been Open Sourced | |
| <X3N> Seeker`: doesn't sound worth learning | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: It is when its the only thing that i can do what i need to do in | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey : and this is with my business head on so take it as you like : your time to do the job vs the time to spec and locate a relevant programmer and agree payment and receive the article is one thing. how about get the problem down to a "prototype" and review what you need to do and its comparative costs to you ? | |
| <popey> LoudMouthMan: I appreciate that input, thanks. my problem is I have never had any formal development training as such | |
| *** stdin_ is now known as stdin | |
| <popey> so I really dont know where to start :( | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey : i have . and am willing to donate some time. | |
| <popey> I have a massive.. and I mean MASSIVE list of potential projects | |
| <LoudMouthMan> you and me both I suspect. im still working on wherezoo | |
| <X3N> do a flow chart or something of some of the functions | |
| * cinex though you were about to be rude | |
| <cinex> thought* | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <popey> not allowed to be rude in here :S | |
| <popey> its the LAW | |
| * popey looks at apokryphos tsmithe and other channel fuzz | |
| <X3N> unless it's someone advocating something we don't like | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so anyway popey if youd want to call and chat ( daytime ) id be happy to help where I can . | |
| <popey> thank you | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Do you know any languages at the moment? | |
| <popey> i need to finish off my crappy demo | |
| <popey> i know a little about a few yes Seeker` | |
| <popey> i know a little python for example | |
| <popey> and bought a mahooooosive book from Josette (aaaah Josette.. love of my life) at FOSDEM last week | |
| <X3N> There is a special exception condition if you're Matthew Garrett | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I know both snakes .. they all have theyre benefit <grin> | |
| <popey> 1500 pages of python | |
| <Seeker`> define "a little"? | |
| <X3N> not big | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey you didnt start with the skinny pink one then ? | |
| <popey> o_O | |
| <popey> I have a few | |
| <LoudMouthMan> sheesh wheres Gazzak when you dont need him . | |
| <X3N> haha | |
| * LoudMouthMan notes his book Oreilly shevles look like a gay pride parade | |
| <X3N> are they all on fire ? | |
| <X3N> flameboyant | |
| <LoudMouthMan> um ? fire ? hehe no . more like a rainbow .. if the rainbow included Ubuntu colours | |
| <popey> i need new book shelves | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: how old were you when you started programming? | |
| <X3N> buy a mac, I hear they're good for storing things in | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker` I was 12 with my Zx81 but I started in Fortan with my Dad thats how he knew Id be good with computers. | |
| * Seeker` feels he started late | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hmm lets see 1982 was falklands and thats when dad came back from the war and bought a 81 . I would have been 10 then so maybe I was 11 . sheesh it was a blur . | |
| * Seeker` "learnt" QBasic from a friends dad when he was 10 | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I was out of it for 1984 ( coma ) and moved to Horsham ( and a BBC micro ) around then . Somewhere out there is a BBC Micro magazine with my code and comments in it ! | |
| <Seeker`> but i never got much further than if and print states | |
| <Seeker`> s/states/statements | |
| <Seeker`> coma? | |
| * Seeker` then didn't do anything else, until VBA when I was 14 - which I basically taught myself | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Asthma attack and a bad one a few weeks under and unconcious ! | |
| <Seeker`> wow | |
| <Seeker`> thats bad | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah it happened again at 18 but without the coma ( or so i remember ) | |
| <Seeker`> it must have been a really bad attack to put you under for a few weeks | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I learnt Ada when my Wife ( then girlfriend ) was in Warickw Uni doing a stats course. and I did Smalltalk for my Open Uni degree ( non completed I just dont do academic competition ) | |
| * Seeker` remembers the first line of VBA he was taught | |
| <LoudMouthMan> now when I look back I realise ive done Waaaaay to many languages and in fact they are all pretty much the same . variables, functions, controls, operators and more recently objects and events | |
| <Seeker`> twas also the only line | |
| <Seeker`> Application.ScreenUpdating = false | |
| <X3N> if you think you've been coding a long time you've not met matthew garret: http://www.angryfacts.com/facts.cgi?f=146 | |
| * Seeker` has done QBasic, VBA, C, C++, Lisp, Python, PHP, MYSQL, Java, Assembly, Perl, Bash scripting | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heeh I used to teach VBA advanced stuff to part time students at Crawley College I left becaue they wouldnt let me teach Perl or PHP ! | |
| <Seeker`> has anyone else ever tried lisp? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ive picked up ruby recently for a new project which is fun . its very ALA . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yep . well ive written project work in it for OU | |
| <X3N> I don't like the look of ruby | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and done some cardboard programming fora friend . | |
| * Seeker` hated learning lisp | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ruby is okay . hey if you can do Python Ruby is a walk in the park . | |
| <X3N> it's quite a powerful thing if you're ok with not actually knowing what it really does | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: What is your favourite lanugage? | |
| <X3N> psudo code | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker` I really , honestly , truely dont have one. They all work so well for tasks assigned. | |
| <X3N> I don't like mono | |
| <X3N> just the idea of it rather than the language | |
| <Seeker`> on yeah, i've done some c# as well | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Vb is great for frontend coding but id leave back end stuff to asp.net/c# or php/perl/ruby interfaces . though the way mono is moving and Xul works out it might all be irrelevant. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> its Fat Clients and Rick Clients are the thing at present. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> rich even . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> it used to be all client and server this and that and in reality it all still is . but theres a awful lot of fluff and buzwords go into delivery of a idea and getting people to pay for it. | |
| * Seeker` hates Web2.0 | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heheh I got askedthe other day what it was . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> trying to explain that it was like explaining weather or snow got me an equal blank look . I sent him to digg.com which made him happy | |
| <Seeker`> buzzwords are annoying | |
| <LoudMouthMan> unless they generate money in which case its just advertising . | |
| * Seeker` would quite like a job doing low level programming | |
| <Seeker`> C is good, as is Assembly | |
| <X3N> work for someone like openedhand | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker` wellive said it before and I will sayit again . .look to get a job in game development or Video fx since your going to be able to do just that and you'll always have a job. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> avoid military or finance since they are getting narrower and become more clique based the longer your in the tail of them. | |
| <X3N> or buy loads of lottery tickets instead | |
| <Seeker`> the R&D i am doing at the moment is ok too | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| * Seeker` isn't sure what part of the games industry he would go in to | |
| <Seeker`> I cant do sound /graphics at all | |
| <LoudMouthMan> X3N .. indeed though I think id like to start a lottery ticket share . where100 of us but a ticket at 1p shares and agree to spilt winnings over 1000 between us. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> buy for but there. | |
| <X3N> yeah | |
| <X3N> I wonder how many tickets you would need to bring the probability of winning something to very high | |
| * popey sometimes wonders about complete changes in career | |
| <popey> well, not complete | |
| <popey> still in pooters, just different stuff in pooters | |
| <LoudMouthMan> X3n about 100% of them . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and eeven then youd need to buy 100% of all the possible number output to ensure you win . then again if you could do that the jackpot would be HUGE! | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: You'd have to find somewhere to get the money from | |
| * LoudMouthMan wonders if we can get Bill gates onto the channel then ! | |
| <Seeker`> and if you are unlucky, 10 other peopel will have the same numbers, so you aren't guaranteed to get your mone back | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey . support getting you down ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker` indeed . at least . | |
| <popey> not really | |
| <popey> SAP is | |
| <popey> I want to do more Linuxy stuf | |
| <popey> am just impatient :)_ | |
| <popey> also as I say, have loads on the to-do list for development projects | |
| <popey> which I would like to bash out | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Do more linuxy sdtuff then | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ooh that was neet. | |
| <popey> Seeker`: not as easy as that Seeker` | |
| <Seeker`> why not? | |
| <popey> lack of experience, so getting contracts is tricky | |
| <Seeker`> how long have you used linux for? | |
| <popey> used at home since uhmmm | |
| <popey> redhat 6 | |
| <popey> when was that? | |
| <popey> :) | |
| * popey shrugs | |
| <popey> 5 - 6 years I guess | |
| <Seeker`> april 26 1999 | |
| <medders> popey: sorry I missed you earlier, i forgot to set myself as away | |
| <popey> well, since 7 | |
| <popey> thats when I quit redhat | |
| <LoudMouthMan> every day in different ways ive feel older ! | |
| <popey> so i was using 6 and stopped and moved to debian when redhat went to 7 | |
| <Seeker`> popey: So you have linux experience | |
| <popey> so yeah, 1999-2000 or so | |
| <popey> some | |
| <popey> not in a corporate environment | |
| <popey> well, some, but not much | |
| <medders> popey: I'm just messing around with my blog at the moment so I don't think it should be aggregated quite yet, I added myself to the planet wiki page on a whim really | |
| <popey> want me to remove it medders ? | |
| <medders> popey: please :) | |
| <Seeker`> couldn't you work on getting small contracts, then once you've had a few you can build up? | |
| <popey> done | |
| <popey> forced an update of the planet to remove you | |
| <medders> cheers | |
| <popey> Seeker`: mortgage to pay | |
| <popey> yes, i could do that, and that is the plan | |
| <popey> but need money in the bank to finance me doing that | |
| <popey> because I dont think I can charge as much for linux stuff as I currently do for what I do now | |
| <medders> popey: how did you get tag specific feeds on drupal? i see that you've done it (or something similar), but can't for the life of me see how | |
| <popey> I have 10+years experience of what i do now | |
| <popey> medders: yeah, it's a little painful | |
| <medders> popey: did you need to mess with the PHP? | |
| <popey> no | |
| <popey> its categories in drupal | |
| <medders> ah | |
| <popey> create a list of terms | |
| <popey> then when you blog, you just type them in the field that appears | |
| <medders> i'll try, thanks | |
| <popey> anyway Seeker` yes, I do really want to do that, just trying to build up knowledge | |
| <popey> getting experience by doing | |
| <popey> e.g. I help admin the lug.org.uk servers which helps me gain knowledge | |
| <popey> and running a few machines on feisty is handy because when stuff breaks I can fix it and learn there too | |
| <Seeker`> yeha | |
| <Seeker`> what sort of linux stuff do you want to do? | |
| <popey> A fine question :) | |
| <Seeker`> is there an answer? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey you have prv msg. | |
| <popey> well, in the past my jobs have come about by being in the right place at the right time | |
| <popey> I have always had an overriding plan | |
| <popey> but never really had to make a lot of effort to get it done | |
| <popey> i have been lucky like that | |
| <popey> so this is hard for me because I actually have to work at it | |
| <Seeker`> do you know what sort of field you want to get in to? dev? support? admin? | |
| <popey> training I think | |
| <popey> I have been doing SAP training for years, and I am pretty good at it | |
| <popey> I can also do support and admin for when training courses arent available | |
| <Seeker`> do canonical do training courses for ubuntu? | |
| <popey> they soon will | |
| <popey> well, technically no | |
| <medders> see you tomorrow everyone | |
| <popey> they partner with training companies | |
| <popey> so part of my plan might be to get acreditation LPIC 101/102/199 and then tout | |
| <Seeker`> cool | |
| * popey stops babbling and goes to bed | |
| <popey> nn chaps | |
| <Seeker`> nn | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ciao | |
| * Seeker` needs to start to think about what to do after uni | |
| <LoudMouthMan> work hard, pay taxes, get laid .have fun . | |
| * Seeker` needs to think abotu what job to do after uni | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: Doesn't sound too differnt from now :P | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah .. but with LESS holiday | |
| <Seeker`> They wanted to give me 12 days holiday, but I managed to get 28 | |
| <Seeker`> :D |
