<elkbuntu> tuppa, ricardo, the maintainer, is giskard. use the same arguement with him

<elkbuntu> you may have to persist over a few days to get their attention. it is currently 11pm and midnight for those people

<tuppa> elkbuntu: cool, thanks for the tip :)

<adhoc> Who wrote 2.6.20? http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/

<adhoc> interesting article on LoC and who wrote them =)

<elkbuntu> tuppa, clicking on the profiles of people in the source package details can be useful. most motus and devs list their IRC nicks in their LP profiles

<tuppa> yup

<tuppa> hrm, my feisty laptop is now at various stages of clusterfuck after another dist-upgrade

<tuppa> :p

<tuppa> now it won't pickup my iPod in nautilus

<tuppa> bah

* tuppa makes a mental note to report the bug when he's more free

* purserj subs to the NM bug and requests it get moved to an actual bug

<tuppa> purserj: thanks :)

<nrdb> Hi I have just compiled the vmware kernel modules, I think everything went OK, but vmware is complaining that the /dev/vmnet module isn't loaded, any ideas on how to do this ?

<romana> modprobe ?

<cafuego_> You ran 'sudo vmware-config.pl' and it all went ok?

<nrdb> cafuego_: yes

<cafuego_> 'lsmod | grep vm' shows vmnet?

<nrdb> cafuego_: no

<cafuego_> nrdb: Cna you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/vmware start' ?

<nrdb> cafuego_: tried that I get "Module vmnet is not loaded. Please verify that it is loaded before running this script."

<cafuego_> /dev/annoying

<cafuego_> modprobe?

<purserj> modprobe vmnet

<purserj> the kernel side of things may not be installed correctly

<romana> ie manually load module

<nrdb> modprobe vmnet = "FATAL: Module vmnet not found."

<cafuego_> hey ho

<romana> theres an issue;)

<nrdb> i have a "/src/modules/vmware-player-kernel/vmnet-only/vmnet.ko"

<cafuego_> Not one in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc ?

<nrdb> no

<cafuego_> that's where the set up prog should install them to

<cafuego_> just copy 'em manually

<cafuego_> there'll be a vmmon.ko too

<cafuego_> they're actually sumlinks to the .o version

<nrdb> cafuego_: would a link do

<cafuego_> nrdb: sure

<cafuego_> but a link will mess up when you upgrade kernels, recompile, then boot old kernel. just be aware

<nrdb> I dont have a misc directory in "/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-686"

<nrdb> should I create one ?

<cafuego_> yep

<nrdb> cafuego_: copy done, don't I need to run something to tell the system about the new module ?

<romana> modprobe

<cafuego_> /sbin/update-modules

<nrdb> cafuego_: done

<nrdb> "modprobe vmnet" still isn't working

<cafuego_> tssk

<cafuego_> cd /lib/modules/2.6.15-28-68/misc; sudo insmod vmnet

<nrdb> the command "/sbin/update-modules" returned very quickly

<nrdb> "sudo insmod vmnet" returned "File not found" but "sudo insmod vmnet.ko" did something.

<nrdb> "modprobe vmnet" still isn't working

<tuppa> because update-modules is deprecated

<tuppa> do a depmod -a first

<nrdb> tuppa: oh

<nrdb> tuppa: that took about 1 second to run

<nrdb> better "modprobe vmnet" didn't complain

<nrdb> there are a number of /dev/vm* stuff now

<nrdb> "sudo /etc/init.d/vmware-player" work

* nrdb ya

<nrdb> its working thanks cafuego_: and tuppa:

<cafuego_> Uh

<cafuego_> if you're just using vmware-player, use the precompiled vmware kernel modules.

<nrdb> cafuego_: not available

<cafuego_> vmware-player-kernel-modules-$(uname -r)

<cafuego_> Then use vmware-player-kernel-source and use module-assistant

<nrdb> cafuego_: not there for 2.6.15-28

<nrdb> cafuego_: and I gave up waiting for it.

<nrdb> tuppa: if "update-modules" is depreciated couldn't it be make a link or script that just runs depmod ?

<tuppa> I don't mainatin module-init-tools :p

<nrdb> tuppa: do you think its a good idea ?

<tuppa> yeah it would

<tuppa> but you type less with depmod -a

<tuppa> :p

* nrdb wonders why some linux people are so scared of typing, why all those hard to find two letter commands

<henno> efficiancy

<henno> or should that be 'efcy'

<henno> :]

<nrdb> henno: say 1/2 second typing, waste 1/2 hour trying to find the command in the first place.

<henno> I don't think so, I save a heap of time because of mv, cp, rm etc

<henno> not to mention typos

<henno> what command would you be talking about that takes you a 1/2 hour to find?

<nrdb> henno: took me a long time to find dh or was that dh ???? to dump a file in hex.

<henno> so what do you suggest the command be

<henno> would it really be easier to find if it were dump-a-file-to-hex

<nrdb> henno: not that there is much chance of anything changing this late in the time.

<henno> damn right, I would hate it if overnight I had to relearn du, df, dh

<nrdb> henno: do a file search in /usr for *hex* and it sure would be.

<cafuego_> I suggest you look into `dpkg-divert' :-)

<cafuego_> I for example have /bin/chpwn

<henno> heh

* nrdb got to go now bye all

<Phlosten> sounds like nrdb needs a nice big alias file

<bimberi> adhoc: thanks, that lwn article was a worthy read

<Phlosten> article?

<bimberi> Phlosten: 10:04 < adhoc> Who wrote 2.6.20? http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/

<Phlosten> is that the one that analyses kernel code by author?

<bimberi> yep

<Phlosten> i skimmed that yeseterday

<Phlosten> and here i was thinking there was something new and exciting to read :)

<bimberi> sorry ;)

<Phlosten> woot, only two weeks behind in my studies now

<Phlosten> woot, a new distrowatch weekly

<wongy> anyone else getting bounces from the mailing list just now!

<wongy> ?

<bimberi> wongy: 2 messages from you have come through today

<bimberi> "re Claws 2.8.0" and "test"

<wongy> bimberi: ok thanks. wonder what happened?

<wongy> bimberi: yeah, i haven't received that. Might restart Evolution. I must say it seems unstable on my Edgy machine :-( Thanks

<bimberi> wongy: k, np :)

<Phlosten> anyone here use 'planner' or another gantt chart tool?

<adhoc> yes

<Phlosten> planner works good?

<adhoc> i didn't enjoy it one bit

<adhoc> but planner was ok to use

<Phlosten> heh

<adhoc> i wanted something to import ms project files

<Phlosten> you dont like gantt charts

<adhoc> i do not remember if it worked or not

<Phlosten> ?

<adhoc> dependency mapping is best done in trees, or DAGs

<Phlosten> i just thought it might be a nice method to map out my uni module tasks

<cafuego_> adhoc: there's a kde based on which is planner++

<cafuego_> taskjuggler

*** cps|out is now known as cps

<Hit3k> sicc-xp eh?

<sicc-xp> soon to be sicc-vista

<purserj> why?

<sicc-xp> because i want to have a decent look at it

<Phlosten> purserj, ping a dinga ring

<purserj> Phlosten: pong

<nrdb> hi

<cafuego_> sicc-xp: I've had a look. it's shit. Just saved you a day.

<purserj> cafuego_: always doing the work for others

<cafuego_> selfless

<purserj> I've always said that about you

<cafuego_> out loud and in public?

<purserj> well does irc count?

<sicc-xp> cafuego: yeah, runnin it in vmware

<sicc-xp> its borked twice already

<ThePizzaKing> hehehe

<ThePizzaKing> My brother got a laptop with vista

<ThePizzaKing> I had to add its Wireless MAC address to the router so he could connect, but after finding the place where I thought it should be after 5 minutes, I spent another 10 minutes looking through the lists of useless information

<ThePizzaKing> and I still couldn't find it

<elkbuntu> ThePizzaKing, buyers regret hit yet?

<ThePizzaKing> he thinks it's great

<ThePizzaKing> he keeps going on about how great his 3D stuff is

<ThePizzaKing> and then I tell him how my 3D stuff is so much better

<elkbuntu> does he have a cube?

<sicc-xp> lol

<sicc-xp> 2000 --> XP was an easy, XP --> Vista is somewhat difficult. I'm having difficulty understanding how to use it, and find things

<purserj> hold on, thats not me

*** james is now known as i386

<greebo> i386, heya

<i386> hey greebo

<i386> :)

<i386> Oh I am so not happy with edgy right now

<i386> mysteriously my Gconf has died

<i386> and I have no settings

<elkbuntu> :-/

* elkbuntu huggles i386

<elkbuntu> you poor dear!

<greebo> i386, erk

<i386> yeah its not fun

<i386> all I did was install gnome-bluetooth on edgy!

<i386> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari

<i386> Interesting

<i386> who knew there was a gay "language"?

<i386> http://members.aol.com/frij/

<i386> on the bus right now

<shenki_> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-redhat-package-mangler

<shenki_> (18+ only)

<i386> oh dear

<i386> I saw that today :)

*** shenki_ is now known as shenki

<shenki> i386: gold. pure gold.

<i386> yes yes I know

<i386> eww

<i386> Im at the bus stop

<i386> and it smells like pee

<i386> ew

<i386> I need to move

<i386> eww

<i386> better

<sicc-xp> Hahaha that's funny as

<purserj> i386: does that language consist entirely of kylie song references? ie do_the_location() is the equivelant to int main()

<i386> purserj: um I mean a spoken language

<i386> heh

<i386> Im so jammed about the "unofficial" status of ubuntu powerpc

<purserj> well talk to Jobs

<i386> It seriously cuts me out of the whole ubuntu loop

<i386> grr

<i386> Right

<i386> I've requested to join the ubuntu powerpc team

<purserj> hmm that "gay language" seems to be mostly cockeny

<sicc-xp> meeting?

<Kamping_Kaiser> next week

<sicc-xp> :|

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders how to reboot a mac so it boots cdrom, not hdd

<sicc-xp> sounds like a query for google

<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh

<Kamping_Kaiser> google, what do you think?

<Kamping_Kaiser> oh, hes out :|

<sicc-xp> damn, that's a shame.

<thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: hold down the C key

<Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, thanks, i'll try it

<thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I have an iBook G4 12" :)

* thoreauputic pats his little iBook affectionately

<Kamping_Kaiser> ah, c works.

<thoreauputic> :)

* Kamping_Kaiser kicks this imac hatefully - how can apple screw up open firmware this badly? :(

<tuppa> nobody's perfect

<Kamping_Kaiser> this shows special amounts of imperfection imo

<Kamping_Kaiser> sun got it... right? ok?

* Kamping_Kaiser isnt sure if suns implimentation is right, but its a damn site better then apples

<Davo_Dinkum> Kamping_Kaiser: What's this?

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, open firmware

<Davo_Dinkum> How could you stuff up implementing OF?

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: WTF are you doing in windows?

<praetorian> getting off

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, i'm not entirely sure, but this imacs broken (imo, of course)

<praetorian> s/i//

<purserj> I liked Imax

<purserj> great for inducing vertigo

<sicc-xp> Davo_Dinkum: ill be quitting it in about 1 day and 17hrs

<praetorian> i used flash today

<sicc-xp> it all depends on how long it takes to download the new episode of 24, then ill be back to linux

<praetorian> it was rather scary

<Kamping_Kaiser> er, bbs. desktop support beckons...

<Kamping_Kaiser> back

<sicc-xp> wb

<Kamping_Kaiser> ty

* Kamping_Kaiser has an imac running ubuntu now... wonder what to do now :)

<sicc-xp> sell it on ebay

<cps> install ubuntu on a badger?

<BeepAU> can i get ubuntu help here or is this room for other things?

<Kamping_Kaiser> *wink wink*

*** Hit3k_ is now known as Hit3k

<cps> BeepAU: feel free to ask questions

<BeepAU> ok, well i'm trying to get edgy installed on this new laptop i just got which has nvidia graphics and sound. i want the screen ratio to match my screen (not squashed) and sound, but it's proving harder that i thought. would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction?

<Kamping_Kaiser> graphics might be a case of installing nvidia-glx, but not sure aobut sound

<Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps search nvidia in the package repository

<pschulz01> Was there a meeting?

<pschulz01> or is that next week?

<BeepAU> does all nvidia stuff use the same driver?

<sicc-xp> pschulz01: next week

<Kamping_Kaiser> BeepAU, all video cards do, i dont know about chipsets though

<Kamping_Kaiser> s/chipsets/mobo chipsets/g

<BeepAU> Kamping_Kaiser - you've lost me

<Kamping_Kaiser> BeepAU, the sound and video use a different driver

<BeepAU> Kamping_Kaiser - ok, so install one for each?

<BeepAU> Kamping_Kaiser - all graphics is the same, but the sound is a different matter?

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Any reason why you choose edgy over dapper?

<BeepAU> Kamping_Kaiser - is 'chipset' like my sound card?

<BeepAU> Davo_Dinkum - it's the latest stable release. was i wrong to pick it?

<Kamping_Kaiser> BeepAU, chipset means 'the chip that makes the sound'

<BeepAU> Kamping_Kaiser - thanks. that's been confusing me all day.

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Possibly, but dapper is being supported for a long time, and is probably more stable as it's older.

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Also try gNewSense :D Join #gnewsense

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, not with nvidia sound surely :S

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Is the notebook widescreen?

<BeepAU> Davo_Dinkum - but by the time edgy isn't supported anymore the technology will be old anyway, won't it?

<BeepAU> Davo_Dinkum - yes, widescreen.

<Davo_Dinkum> What technology will be old? Dapper?

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: What make/model is the notebook?

<BeepAU> Davo_Dinkum - edgy, but dapper too obviously.

<sicc-xp> BeepAU: In all seriousness, I'd say you're better off asking in #ubuntu

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: They will be older, but is that such a bad thing?

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Yeah #ubuntu is loaded with people. More chances in there.

<BeepAU> Davo_Dinkum - medion, turion 64 2gh processor, 512mb ram

* Kamping_Kaiser cant belive laptops are still made with 512 ram

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Medion? From ALDI?

<BeepAU> Davo_Dinkum - yep

<Davo_Dinkum> Eeep!

* Davo_Dinkum runs

<sicc-xp> Oh shit.

<sicc-xp> :|

<BeepAU> lol, whats the big deal?

<Davo_Dinkum> BeepAU: Yeah good luck with that notebook.

<BeepAU> i'm sure i'll do fine. i have faith.

<Davo_Dinkum> Aha

<sicc-xp> I'm glad you do.

<bimberi> so do i, don't listen to them :)

<Davo_Dinkum> Plenty of OS knowledge would help as well.

<BeepAU> thanks bimberi

<sicc-xp> MEDION recommends "Windows XP Professional", so the notebook comes with Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005?

<BeepAU> what difference would that make?

<BeepAU> i don't wish to use windows

<sicc-xp> BeepAU: No I know, I'm just talking about their website advertisement

<BeepAU> it was $889, i believe

<sicc-xp> Do you knwo the model number?

<BeepAU> uh, medion notebook pc md 96015

<Davo_Dinkum> Interesting: http://www.medionsupport.com/

<bimberi> !nvidia

<ubot3> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto

<Davo_Dinkum> !DRM

<ubot3> Factoid drm not found

<Davo_Dinkum> Pfft

<Hit3k> sicc whats with the xp?

<sicc-xp> Playing with VMWare - 2k3serv / vista

<sicc-xp> haven't setup vmware in linux yet

<Hit3k> ah

<bimberi> BeepAU: have you been to that page? ^^^^^^

<sicc-xp> Hit3k: Vista is worse than ME

<BeepAU> bimberi - looking at it now. thanks again.

<Davo_Dinkum> winME was the king of restarts

<Hit3k> sicc-xp, really? I was gonna install it in vmware eventually but now you say that

<Kamping_Kaiser> sicc-xp, yeh, and your pretty bad :P

* sicc-xp smacks Kamping_Kaiser :)

<bimberi> BeepAU: np :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> </verry old joke>

<Kamping_Kaiser> :P

<Hit3k> anyone downloaded this "Ultimate gamers" ubuntu thing?

<Davo_Dinkum> !Ultimate Gamers

<sicc-xp> Hit3k: it's just buggy, looks as if they've done nothing in the excessively long period they've had to develop something

<Kamping_Kaiser> no, i install ubuntu then install relevent games :P

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: What is it?

<Davo_Dinkum> !Ultimate-Gamers

<ubot3> Factoid ultimate-gamers not found

<Hit3k> hold on

<Davo_Dinkum> k

<bimberi> !sound

<ubot3> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3

<bimberi> BeepAU: ^^^^ (for the sound issue)

<Hit3k> http://ubuntusoftware.info/ubuntu_ultimate_gamers/

<BeepAU> bimberi - it's set to alsa

<Davo_Dinkum> Is SongBird stable yet?

<Hit3k> its never gonna be stable

<Davo_Dinkum> !SongBird

<ubot3> Factoid songbird not found

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: No probably not.

<bimberi> BeepAU: yep, it's more the links. crimsun is the sound guru but don't help anyone who hasn't done the SoundTroubleShooting :)

<Hit3k> I wonder how many copyright laws that gamers thing is breaking because of the DVD ripping software

*** cps is now known as cps|Zzz

<tuxta> evening

<Phlosten> howdy tuxta

<Phlosten> howdy everyone else

<tuxta> wotz news Phlosten

<Phlosten> not a lot, i just stepped in from my tafe course

<tuxta> kewl

<tuxta> wot tafe course?

<Phlosten> i lose more and more respect for server2k3 every week

<tuxta> heh

<Phlosten> cert 3 in it (network admin)

<sicc-xp> i dont

<sicc-xp> i think 2k3 is pimp

<tuxta> Im gunna do diploma of it, software engineering startin in July

<Phlosten> tuxta, sweet

<tuxta> then onto bachelor of it

<sicc-xp> what tafe tuxta?

<tuxta> gold coast

<sicc-xp> cool

<Phlosten> 2k3 has some nice stuff, but it just seems to come at a cost

<sicc-xp> the soft engineering course at my tafe is a wank course

<Phlosten> tuxta, cool, I am start Bach of IT/Bach of Science next year

<tuxta> this one probably is too

<sicc-xp> you could pass it knowing 20 lines of VB

<tuxta> this covers mainly java and vb, as well as php

<sicc-xp> yea same as this course

<tuxta> but yeah, pretty basic, but then onto uni

<Phlosten> apparently the csu bach of it flavour of the month is python

<Phlosten> python and java

<tuxta> python rox

<Hit3k> you know what rocks?

<sicc-xp> bourbon

<Hit3k> C++

<tuxta> and rum

<Phlosten> deleting windows xp?

<sicc-xp> lol

<tuxta> that definately rox

<tuxta> Ive got xp, only because I know they will use it at tafe

<tuxta> have not booted into it for months

<tuxta> even then it was a one off

<sicc-xp> tuxta: you got it in one

<tuxta> but Im gunna install vim and grep etc

<tuxta> assuming one can do so

<sicc-xp> heh

<tuxta> I guess there is cygwin

<sicc-xp> i use the linux box for all that

<sicc-xp> ssh into it

<sicc-xp> vim

<sicc-xp> voila ;)

<tuxta> yeah, but at work I some times go to do something on a box, and feel really restricted, if I at least have some tools, it would make doze a little easier to cope with

<sicc-xp> heh :)

<tuxta> edit just plain sux

<sicc-xp> yea that thing blows

<tuxta> they still use more

<tuxta> they dont know that more is less than less

<tuxta> more or less

<sicc-xp> LOL

<sicc-xp> I still have to write a bash script to read through a 4MB log file :|

<tuxta> hey, here is an idea... is there a port of bash for Doze ??

<Hit3k> unzip; mount; root; yes; yes; yes; yes; umount; zip

<tuxta> heh Hit3k

<pschulz01> MotherLUG: ping

<pschulz01> purserj: ping

<Phlosten> i wonder when this network manager bug is gonna big fixed

<Hit3k> i should have used more or less

<sicc-xp> tuxta: dunno about port, but there's that new shell for xp/vista

<purserj> pschulz01: pong

<sicc-xp> PowerShell

<Hit3k> sicc-xp, whats powershell like?

<pschulz01> Phlosten: What is the bug? I'm trying out Hurd-5

<tuxta> PowerShell?

<sicc-xp> Hit3k: Incredibly powerful apparently

<Phlosten> pschulz01, ip you use a static ip is cracks the shits

<Hit3k> havnt tried it yet?

<Phlosten> it

<sicc-xp> Hit3k: I've played with it for about 1 minute, haven't had the chance.

<pschulz01> Is there a bug number?

<sicc-xp> It's relatively new, so there's not that much documentation / books about it

<Phlosten> pschulz01, says you are disconnected and then a heap of apps throw a wobbly

<pschulz01> I have ended up setting static IP's on eth0:1 etc. and using ifup on the interface when I need them.

<Phlosten> pschulz01, there is a bug somewhere

<Phlosten> looking now

<Davo_Dinkum> Is ASCII only for US English?

<tuxta> use unicode

<Davo_Dinkum> tuxta: Wasn't my question

<Kamping_Kaiser> english, not only us english

<purserj> Davo_Dinkum: ASCII is for english only not just US English

<Davo_Dinkum> But the A stands for American

<Kamping_Kaiser> but us english has no special characters

<Hit3k> Davo_Dinkum, the americans think everything is their idea just keep letting them think that :)

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<sicc-xp> LOL

<sicc-xp> That was pretty funny :D

<tuxta> Funny cause its true

<sicc-xp> Yup.

<tuxta> "The Greates country in the world" unquote

<Davo_Dinkum> What? Melbourne?

<Davo_Dinkum> :D

<Hit3k> Melbournes a city :p

<tuxta> what is a Melbourne ?

<Davo_Dinkum> Far out man

* Davo_Dinkum eats melbourne

<tuxta> Deep down everyone wishes they lived in Queensland

<Davo_Dinkum> lmao nahh too hot

<pschulz01> Hi all.. I have just sent an email to the ubuntu-au mailing list about a ubuntu-au google calender..

<Phlosten> pschulz01, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/82335

<ubot3> Malone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed]

<tuxta> mainly for nostalgic reasons (its like going back in time 10 years)

<Hit3k> my english teacher is from Qld

<pschulz01> I have created one.. and it's public.

<Hit3k> cant spell for crap

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: Example?

<Hit3k> he spells their thier and other such simple words their is his biggest mistake though

<pschulz01> I would like to discuss at the next meeting, as there was quite a bit of 'feedback' last time I suggested it.

<tuxta> she iz a gud spella

<tuxta> oops, he, not she

<pschulz01> The 'agenda' layout for Ubuntu-au events looks particularly useful.

<tuxta> funny how I assume all english teachers are femail

<pschulz01> Phlosten: Thanks..

<Hit3k> funny that

<elkbuntu> Phlosten, who have you managed to contact so far?

<sicc-xp> Every female English teacher I had sucked.

<sicc-xp> The male teacher I had was good though.

<Hit3k> damn elkbuntus here i was gonna make a rude comment

<sicc-xp> Hit3k: heh

* Hit3k fears for his life when elkbuntu is near

<tuxta> I need to meet your female English teachers sicc-xp

<tuxta> heh

<sicc-xp> Not to fear, big sicc is here!

<sicc-xp> tuxta: haha

<tuxta> sounds like a good quality to me

<elkbuntu> hey wait, wasnt i talking to tuppa about that bug last night?

<Phlosten> elkbuntu, umm not sure what you are talking about

<purserj> yup same jobby

<elkbuntu> Phlosten, the bug you linked

<tuxta> Oh oh, I almost forgot, .. I have already done 3 of my 5 Ubuntu tutorials

<Phlosten> elkbuntu, i havent contacted anyone, just seen it bantered about

<tuxta> very good outcomes too

<elkbuntu> Phlosten, i was talking to tuppa about it last night, and pointed him to some people

<Phlosten> elkbuntu, ah, ok

<elkbuntu> actually no, that's a diff bug

<elkbuntu> silly me

<elkbuntu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/5364 is the one tuppa was talking about

<ubot3> Malone bug 5364 in network-manager "Can't use static ip address with network-manager" [Wishlist,Confirmed]

<purserj> gah, it shouldn't be a wish list item

<Phlosten> similar thing

<Phlosten> elkbuntu, that ones an old bug report

<purserj> Phlosten: its become active with the move to include NM by default in Feisty as well as integration between Gnome Apps and NM

<Phlosten> purserj, yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> Heh I found my copy of xp

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh wait I said this already

<Davo_Dinkum> nm

<Davo_Dinkum> Why do I have to go to tafe everyday? Couldn't I just do it on IRC or something?

<sicc-xp> You don't have to go to TAFE everyday.

<sicc-xp> You won't learn anything.

<Phlosten> Davo_Dinkum, get a life size cardboard cutout made and sit that in the classroom

<sicc-xp> LOL

<Hit3k> naw

<Hit3k> AI Robot

<Phlosten> have it blurt out every 5 minutes, 'man, windows sucks!'

<Hit3k> yeah!

<sicc-xp> LOL

<tuxta> Phlosten: how much of your cert 3 have you done?

<Phlosten> tuxta, couple of weeks

<Phlosten> :)

<tuxta> and what have they taught?

<sicc-xp> It's a virus! OMGZ

<Phlosten> tuxta, basic setup of server 2k3

<tuxta> k

<Phlosten> the OSI RM

<sicc-xp> Phlosten: Did you understand / learn how the Licensing works?

<Phlosten> basic networking skillz

<sicc-xp> or did you just sit there and think "what the fawk"

<Phlosten> what licencing?

<sicc-xp> Windows Server licensing

<tuxta> sounds like a No sicc-xp

<sicc-xp> ^^

<Phlosten> havent covered any of that at all

* Changlinn does windows stuff and still goes wtf with licensing

<sicc-xp> ^^

<sicc-xp> I'd like to meet someone who understands it

<Phlosten> sicc-xp, the connections vs other option?

<sicc-xp> that way I can kill him/her for being the only one.

<sicc-xp> Yeah

<tuxta> sicc-xp: Basically, it means, your screwed and we are rich

<sicc-xp> heh

<Changlinn> though had a colleague the other day when was telling him about a linux file server I setup for a client seem surprise when I said no cal's as a positive

<sicc-xp> lol

<tuxta> I dont understand, what are cal's?

<Phlosten> 'think of a way we can f. you over, and we can do it'

<sicc-xp> client access license

<tuxta> ahh

<tuxta> heh, now I get it

<sicc-xp> thats about as detailed as i can get, tuxta :)

<tuxta> and about as detailed as I can handle

<sicc-xp> lol

<sicc-xp> i should ask my teacher to explain it to me

<Phlosten> does anyone know if you can print out google calendars?

<Davo_Dinkum> Phlosten: printscreen?

<sicc-xp> lol

<Phlosten> thinking of nicely formatted

<Davo_Dinkum> The cardboard cutout idea wouldn't work, I have to sign the roll

<sicc-xp> lol your tafe sucks

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah

<Hit3k> you can program robots to do that

<Phlosten> fax in a signature?

<Davo_Dinkum> Phlosten: LOL

<sicc-xp> we have a roll but it never gets taken

<Hit3k> do you get the roll for legal reasons?

<sicc-xp> hence why i just rock up 2hrs late to class these days

<Phlosten> we have the ah crap, dont leave yet we have this shitty roll thing roll

<sicc-xp> fact is we're given 10mins work to do over 6hrs

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: No idea. Probably

<Phlosten> do this,/...now wait for everyone to catch up

<sicc-xp> Davo_Dinkum: Yeah it would be for legal purposes, and that to know if you came to more than 75% of your classes.

<sicc-xp> Any less than 75% and you fail

<Davo_Dinkum> Today we learnt what happens when you boot a PC with no RAM and no KB attached. Woopee

<sicc-xp> might be a different percentage at your tafe

<sicc-xp> Davo_Dinkum: it beeps.

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Yeah I know

* Hit3k has experienced that

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Hopefully it's less than 10% at my tafe

<sicc-xp> lol

<sicc-xp> It'll get better mate.

<Davo_Dinkum> GST!

<sicc-xp> We're getting into cool stuff this year

<Davo_Dinkum> Ooooh like more fun windoze licensing? (sarcasm?)

* Hit3k cant wait till he's old enough to drink

<Davo_Dinkum> *(sarcasm)

<sicc-xp> Hit3k: oh mate, you will love it.

<sicc-xp> It kills the pain of schooling/tafe

<Hit3k> lol

<sicc-xp> There are some other benefits too

<sicc-xp> It'll make you think creatively when doing assignments

<Hit3k> what about when programming?

<sicc-xp> No it'll just make you sit there and wonder for 6hrs why your application wont work. When all you've forgotten is a trailing ;

<Hit3k> I do that when im sober as well

<sicc-xp> Heh

<Hit3k> already*

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Are you learning VB at TAFE?

<sicc-xp> We did in the first year

<Davo_Dinkum> What's the name of your course?

<sicc-xp> Network Engineering

<sicc-xp> No longer exists, this is the final class to do it

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<sicc-xp> I'm lucky though, I get 'Engineering' on my diploma

<sicc-xp> a wank factor thingy :)

<Hit3k> :o I want engineering on my diploma

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Yup

<Hit3k> oh well

<sicc-xp> the new course sounds much more exciting

<sicc-xp> System Administration course

* Davo_Dinkum shops for cardboard cutout

<sicc-xp> I want to work at a school

<Hit3k> sicc-xp, thats what im gonna go do if i dont get into uni

<sicc-xp> or become a teacher at my tafe

<Davo_Dinkum> "System Administration" aka "God"

<sicc-xp> Heh

<Hit3k> personally thats what i think the root account should be called

<Davo_Dinkum> Don't make me delete your home directory! And the backup!

<Davo_Dinkum> :D

<sicc-xp> the good thing about becoming a teacher is that you never do anything

<sicc-xp> you just stand there infront of students and talk shit

<sicc-xp> it's piss easy

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Yeah my lecturer just reads off the slideshow

<sicc-xp> lol

<sicc-xp> my students will learn not to use windows

<Davo_Dinkum> Which is why I just sign the roll for my lecture and then leave

<sicc-xp> Davo_Dinkum: have you gone over the 'ping' command yet?

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Yeah why?

<sicc-xp> i think we spent 1 month on that command

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: I knew ping nefore that anyway?

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: WTF? Are you serious? We spent one lesson on that

<sicc-xp> Pretty much

<Davo_Dinkum> *anyway

<sicc-xp> 6 months on basic linux commands or so

<Davo_Dinkum> Only OS they've mentioned to us is windows I think

<sicc-xp> If you do stuff like Win2k3serv and Novell Netware, you'll be exciting

<sicc-xp> *excited

<Davo_Dinkum> Pfft why?

<sicc-xp> because it's a hell of a lot more exciting then hearing the beep noises

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: No I'd rather hear beep noises. Not using non-free software that way

<sicc-xp> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> Novell Netware is just the gapfiller because M$ couldn't be stuffed fixing their crappy OS

<Davo_Dinkum> Hence the term "Network OS" was born

<sicc-xp> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> aka "gapfiller"

<sicc-xp> ill give you that :)

<Davo_Dinkum> I figured that out myself :D

* Davo_Dinkum gives Davo_Dinkum a star

<Hit3k> a gold star or a silver star?

<Davo_Dinkum> Either one

<Davo_Dinkum> Seriously, any network using non-free software is a badly run-network

<sicc-xp> why?

<Hit3k> ok ladies and gentlemen.. I'm gonna go do that.. human idle process.....sleep....

<Hit3k> g'night

<Davo_Dinkum> For some reason, when I'm logging in, it lags after I press TAB to change from the username textbox to the password textbox. And these are pretty new machines, they have 'vista capable' on them

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: Because non-free software is crappy

<Hit3k> damn they still do that CTRL+ALT+DEL crap

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: Ypu. Except it's a novell login at my tafe

<Hit3k> mm

<Davo_Dinkum> *Yup

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh I thought that was a question

<Hit3k> fair enough i dont see any 'secure' protection by pressing those keys

<Hit3k> it was a question I'm just too lazy to add the questionmark :p

<Hit3k> <gone>

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: Gates just put that 'feature' in so he could get humiliated on TV

<Davo_Dinkum> about it

<Hit3k> lol! probably

<Hit3k> g'night

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: Be gone!

<sicc-xp> i wont cry, i wont cry, nooo i wont, shed a tear, just as long, as you stand, stand by me

<Davo_Dinkum> stfu

<Kamping_Kaiser> sicc-xp, aaah, dont do it!

* Kamping_Kaiser sung that in quire at school

<sicc-xp> It's a good song :)

<sicc-xp> In fact, one of the best songs ever written :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> if (sung_at_school) ;crap; done

<sicc-xp> lol

<sicc-xp> if [ "$sungatschool" = "y" ] then; echo "crap"; done

* Kamping_Kaiser has to write himself a bio :(

<sicc-xp> should be a fi in there

<sicc-xp> eh

<Kamping_Kaiser> this will be awful :|

<Kamping_Kaiser> sungatschool=song ; if [ "$sungatschool" then; $sungatschool = "crap"; fi

<Kamping_Kaiser> eh?

<sicc-xp> that wont work for shit lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps i should update my [ubuntu,lp,gnewsense] pages before i do this bio thing. get some inspiration

<sicc-xp> lp?

<Kamping_Kaiser> launchpad

<sicc-xp> ah

<Davo_Dinkum> Pfft lp

<Davo_Dinkum> proprietary

<sicc-xp> this ext driver for windows is pretty cool

<Davo_Dinkum> Wow wow easy there. Let's not go using 'cool' and 'windows' in the same sentence

<sicc-xp> lol

<shenki> windows can be cool. this is the best program it runs: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

<yama> ha! that's awesome!

<yama> is there one for Ubuntu?

<linleycaetan> never get tired of that one!

<purserj> Davo_Dinkum: you do realise that the food you eat is probably covered by either patents or copyright don't you

<yama> can you copyright food?

<sicc-xp> nah he compiles his food from source

<linleycaetan> maybe a recipe

<purserj> You can patent biological entities

<purserj> GM food and so on

<Davo_Dinkum> purserj: Uhh did I miss something here? Like a big conversation that that sentence should be from?

<purserj> Also recipes are covered by copyright

<yama> the fridge at my work invents new biological entities all the time

<purserj> Davo_Dinkum: nope, it goes Davo_Dinkum> Pfft lp

<purserj> 23:17 < Davo_Dinkum> proprietary

<purserj> and then my response

<Davo_Dinkum> purserj: Ah OK

<linleycaetan> copyrights and patents- a recipe for disaster?

<purserj> only if you leave the patented oven on for too long

<Davo_Dinkum> I saw someone using KDE on their notebook today

<sicc-xp> Cool?

<Davo_Dinkum> Makes a change from xp,xp,xp,vista,xp

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: I guess so.

<Davo_Dinkum> sicc-xp: At TAFE that is

<linleycaetan> by the way, does any one have a workaround to get "accessible login" working in EDGY? Works on my desktop (upgraded from dapper) but not the clean install on my tosh a100

* Davo_Dinkum points linleycaetan to #ubuntu

<Davo_Dinkum> No idea in other words

<purserj> linleycaetan: by accessible do you mean visually challanged accessible?

<linleycaetan> Gnome login window

<sicc-xp> letterman has the crazy animal guy on

<Kamping_Kaiser> *sigh*. i know i've asked about data recovery on a list before, i just cant find the thread anymore :(

<Kamping_Kaiser> and i want to know about recoving data from a (former) hfs filesystem

<Davo_Dinkum> Bye. I'm off.

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm to go completely crazy and use only Free Software. Watch!

* purserj head desks

<purserj> Kamping_Kaiser: how former?

<purserj> gah having to explain why using PASSWORD('password') is not going to make things work in a drupal database

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, its currently got ext3 on it. i might not worry about it - suppose its easy enough to replace the data

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, hi mate

<MistaED> cool a 2-headed turtle

<purserj> ah another letterman watcher

<MistaED> yeah i saw the above message and decided to turn on the tv ;)

<sicc-xp> MistaED: Haha yeah

<sicc-xp> Jack Hannah is a gun

<shenki> hey Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<Phlosten> g'night all

<pschulz01> I'm trying to reinstall Vista.. what's the bet it works first time?

<elkbuntu> i like my money to stay with me :Þ

<sicc-xp> 8 billion dollars

<pschulz01> sicc-xp: The DVD that came with the laptop doesn't even boot.. not like my 'herd-5' fiesty :-) That's going on just fine.. did I say it was a DELL?

<sicc-xp> Nope

<sicc-xp> Vista installed here fine

<yama> I know someone who installed Vista and got it to blue-screen within 30 minutes

<greebo> yama, wow]

<yama> he was trying to get his audio to work, and installed a driver for his sound card

<elkbuntu> i know of an incident where windows 98 blue screened on someone in front of millions of people... oh right... that was Bill Gates ;)

<yama> yeah, I've got a video of that

<yama> it's quite funny

<yama> elkbuntu: I received your package yesterday. Thank you so much!

<elkbuntu> yama, not a problem :)

<elkbuntu> yama, it was only going to stagnate here

<purserj> yay vista, a windows with more sucky driver support that linux 2.2

<yama> I'm going to have fun at CeBIT telling people that linux has better hardware support than vista

<praetorian> and no microsoft one care

<praetorian> "Microsoft One Care: We care, for ourselves"

<yama> I can't believe that people are paying money for One Care. They should be asking, "couldn't they fix the OS in the first place?"

<Kamping_Kaiser> good userfriendly about the licencing stuff. you see it?

<praetorian> Microsoft One Care: One is the numbers of times this software has protected a desktop

*** cps|Zzz is now known as cps

<tuppa> morning

<Gyro54> Where can I go in Sydney to have a real person look at my computer to tell me how I stuffed up?

<Gyro54> Maybe the shop should be called Sutherland Shire Linux Centre?

<tuppa> there's one in sutherland shire?

<tuppa> where about in sutherland shire are you Gyro54 ?

<Gyro54> I'm in Taren Point

* tuppa lives in sylvania heights

<tuppa> is your computer a desktop or laptop?

<tuppa> i.e. can you carry it with you at ease?

<cafuego_> it has wheels...

<Gyro54> desktop I'm trying to setup a wireless card for my son but I'm having no luck

<Gyro54> Yes I am a courier I can get it anywhere

<tuppa> there's also the alternative of letting people help you online by connecting to your box...

<Gyro54> I have tried 3 different cards and the card I now have is supposed to be a native card for Linux rt61 chipset.

<cafuego_> how often do SLUG meet and could you bring it?

<tuppa> slug meets once a month

<tuppa> usually the last friday of the month

<Gyro54> I would love to attend- where

<cafuego_> it's a while away still

<cafuego_> which distro do you use?

<Gyro54> 6.10

<tuppa> http://www.slug.org.au/node/58

<tuppa> hrm, it's still @ St Leonards

<Phlosten> morning all

<Gyro54> I can make that. Would they mind if I brought it in?

<tuppa> nah

<tuppa> it's not a formal event

<tuppa> although things might be a little awkward with desktops there...

<tuppa> but I'm sure someone could accomodate for that

<Gyro54> I will bring all the bits

<tuppa> anyway, ask on #slug

<cafuego_> Gyro54: http://elonen.iki.fi/code/misc-notes/debian-rt61/index.html seems (possibly using newer drivers) to be useful.

<tuppa> ok, apparently the SLUG meeting this month would be at the IBM building in the city

<Gyro54> I haven't been there yet.

<tuppa> but the location is still set to St Leonards

<Gyro54> I think it is something I have not done as I can't modprobe rt61

<tuppa> prolly need the slug organisers to clarify

<Gyro54> That site info has been added to the serialmonkey site been there not done that properly

<Gyro54> I will go to #slug and ask - thanks for your help

<adhoc> quote of the day; Have you ever tried to smell the color nine?

<cafuego_> adhoc: Yes, but it's too green for my tastes

<adhoc> oh

Generated by irclog2html.pl 2.1 by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net!