<gord> sunday monday happy days! other day other day happy days! yesterday wesnesday happy days! watta day! som't day! groovin all week with yoooou

* X3N kicks gord

<popey> X3N: would you think we should modfiy the standard pastebin?

<popey> standard as in pastebin.com?

<gord> I thought everyone was recomending pastebin.ca these days? dot com is slow

<X3N> yes popey probably

<popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org :)

<popey> needs work

<popey> don't use it or rely on data staying there

<popey> just put the standard install of pastebin.com code on it

<popey> was thinking we need to either strip it down a bit or use something else

<popey> I am open to discussion

<X3N> needs themeing atleast

<popey> yes

<X3N> also some stuff isn't needed so it could be simplified

<X3N> spam might need to be looked into too

<gord> something more like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ perhaps

<X3N> paste bin's are very easy to make

<popey> why re-invent the wheel?

<popey> that one is a bit buggy gord, but yes

<gord> Im just saying with design ;)

<popey> sure

<X3N> no reason to reinvent the wheel, but there is reason if the wheel wasn't actually what was needed ;)

<popey> asked for it anyway

<popey> I am not going to get into a philosophical debate about it :)

<gord> is there somewhere that ubuntu-uk screencasts get uploaded? I have one almost ready, just need to encode it to a nice format

<popey> we review them first

<popey> so if you can make it available in some friendly format for us to review first, that would be great

<gord> will do

<popey> moo jono

<jono> hey popey :)

<jono> I can't believe my jacket is at £41 - are you the highest bidder popey?

<popey> yeah

<popey> I suspect it will go quite a bit higher

<X3N> you should bid on it jono ;)

<jono> popey: I doubt it

<jono> X3N: I was tempted to - I really like that jacket :P

<jono> heh

<popey> you'd be surprised jono

<X3N> you'd be like "yay i won.. my own jacket.."

<jono> heh

<popey> many auctions double in value in the last day or so

<gord> I win my own jacket every day, thats the fun in making games out of every day things like opening a closet

<X3N> haha

<X3N> that should be an XKCD comic

<jono> heh

<Seeker`> XKCD rocks

<daviey> popey, why not copy the ubuntu-nl theme?

<popey> i have asked for their code

<daviey> good 'o

<popey> i just chucked the pastebin code on their because everyone is familiar with it, it works, and it's GPL

<popey> X3N: have you removed that dns entry?

<X3N> nope

<popey> it was working but it isnt now

<popey> doesnt resolve

<popey> hmmm

<popey> possibly dodgy dns

<X3N> IP address of pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org is 212.13.194.80

<popey> odd, wasn't resolving for a bit then

<popey> temporary issue, nvm

<X3N> pebuak error ?

<popey> no

<popey> it didnt resolve

<daviey> methinks it's bedtime

<daviey> bye

<johnt> Hello is any one here right now??

<gord> why?

<johnt> Gord I just left a room tat you are in abd too busy to answer mw I could not get into python because of some identity problem

<johnt> spel

<gord> register your nickname with freenode first (/msg nickserv register put_a_password_here) replacing put_a_password_here with a password

<johnt> Thank you

<gord> sorry I can't help more :) in a bit of a rush :)

<johnt> Understand bye again

<merriam> Ah yes, splits -- another point to jabber, if it scales any better

<popey> morning all

<GazzaK> morning O poeyish one

<GazzaK> popeyish one even

<GazzaK> damn brain to keyboard errors

<GazzaK> hey jono morning dude

<jono> hey

<mrben> morning all

<GazzaK> morning mrben

<Seeker`> mornin

<gord> g'mornin'

<jayteeuk> Morning all.

<popey> Morning!

<jayteeuk> Morning popey.

<gord> no ! allowed on monday mornings >:(

<popey> Why not gord !?

<popey> coffee time!

* gord grumbles

<jayteeuk> Anyone have any experience of media extenders?

<Seeker`> jayteeuk: Media extenders?

<popey> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Linksys_Dual_Band_Wireless_A_G_Media_Center_Extender_WMCE54AG__6202217

<jayteeuk> Seeker`: The XBox 360 can act as one, but they're also available as separate units. AIUI, they're supposed to allow you to play media from one machine somewhere else on the network.

<Seeker`> jayteeuk: You mean like a mythtv front end?

<jayteeuk> Also AIUI, the whole process is supposed to be pretty seamless -- the Media Extender broadcasts on the network (I think UPnP is involved somewhere) and any device that has media to offer responds.

<jayteeuk> Seeker`: Quite possibly, yes.

<jayteeuk> My brother's recently bought a new PC with XP MCE and now has a new hobby -- buying gadgets that sound cool before he really understands what he needs to buy, then asking me questions about them. :)

<popey> jayteeuk: avahi is one of the technologies on linux that can do media from other devices

<popey> apps like banshee and rhythmbox do/should support it in newer releases

<popey> so if you have a pc running itunes sharing out music you would be able to access it from linux

<jayteeuk> popey: Does my limited description of my even more limited understanding sound somewhere near the mark then?

<popey> yeah

<popey> see the link i pasted

<popey> its a media extender

<popey> basically a box that can connect to various devices/software over a LAN, access content (blah) and play it

<jayteeuk> I would find it highly amusing if I were to take my Free Software laptop to my brother's (well, dad's) house and be instantly able to play the media from his media server after he's just splashed out on a box to do it and failed. :)

<popey> you would need a recent install of linux

<popey> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/09/22/share-music-in-a-network-using-avahi-daap/

<jayteeuk> Feisty? Or even more recent?

<popey> "Tangerine is an application that allows you to publish music over the local network, using DAAP. It runs on both Linux and Windows. There are several clients that you can then use to connect to it, such as Apple’s iTunes, Banshee, and Rhythmbox."

<jayteeuk> Debian Sid? :)

<popey> hahahaha

<popey> http://banshee-project.org/Main_Page

<popey> banshee is nice

<popey> a kinda gnome amarok

<jayteeuk> It's a technology that I'm aware of on the periphery, but I've not really paid that much attention to yet.

<jayteeuk> I've skimmed through the executive summary, so to speak.

<jayteeuk> I suppose I should find out what media extender he's bought, but that's like saying "Yes, I'll offer free support for you and your gadgets again."

<jayteeuk> It looks like this DAAP is the key.

<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Scott Remnant: Think about things <http://www.netsplit.com/blog/articles/2007/03/05/think-about-things>

<jayteeuk> Right, I think I've pointed him in the right direction to help him understand what should be going on. Thanks for your help popey.

<jayteeuk> A fountain of knowledge as always. :)

<popey> :)

<popey> thanks

<JohnRobert> I keep getting in trouble for things I did years ago

<JohnRobert> that annoys me

<JohnRobert> :/

<JohnRobert> I'm a different person now!

<selinuxium_> popey: Firefly also does the same kind of things as Tangerine, there is a howto in this months Linux Magazine on how to set it up for DAAP.

<JohnRobert> does anyone know where I can get linux magazine from for less than £7 or whatever?

<selinuxium_> JohnRobert: they are talking about possibly releasing the mag as pdf's in the future. until then, i don't think so.

<JohnRobert> pdf, what a really great open source format.

* JohnRobert prepares to eat his words or something

<daviey> PDF is an open format ;)

<gord> yeah, pdf is an open format these days

<JohnRobert> always be prepared.

<daviey> JohnRobert, want some milk to go with them bowl of words?

<gord> I get the blender magazine in pdf form, can't get it in print form at all ;)

<daviey> JohnRobert, you may be able to get a discount through http://www.quidco.com/entertainment/magazine-subs/

<daviey> seems they all have linux format; but not linux magazine

<JohnRobert> wonder if they have your sinclair...

<popey> heheh

<JohnRobert> best mag *ever*

<daviey> spectrum zx was why fav

<daviey> s/why/my

<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Reading <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/139470.html>

<daviey> why would i want to go to a festival to read?

<popey> jpc

<popey> hmm

<popey> anyone here use compiz and not bery?

<popey> +l

<popey> mate here at work is using compiz on edgy and everything works except rotating 3d desktop

<jayteeuk> "Not I," said the shrew.

<constrictor> anyone use sylpheed claws mail?

<GazzaK> popey, on feisty yes

<popey> compiz not beryl?

<GazzaK> it's installed by default

<GazzaK> compiz that is

<GazzaK> desktop-effects

<GazzaK> cube rotation no worky

<popey> does 3d rotating desktop work?

<popey> ahhh

<popey> any idea why?

<GazzaK> just cannot figure it out

<GazzaK> it's not as nice as beryl - and I thought beryl was a pita to configure

<popey> configure to get working?

<GazzaK> I'm not running it by default, as it is annoying

<popey> or configure once working?

<GazzaK> beryl's configuration (once running) was a bit of a pain, but compiz is neigh on impossible

<popey> heh

<popey> i found beryl config a bit messy but workable

<GazzaK> yeah, but compiz... eeek

<constrictor> claws mail? anyone?

<popey> if someone was using it and is here I suspect they will answer constrictor

<popey> otherwise they are probably away from keyboard or dont use it or both

<daviey> beryl imho has really cleaned up the settings manager

<daviey> Has anybody look at the src for beryl?

* GazzaK likes geyes :p

<daviey> the eyes?

<ormiret> constrictor: I use claws.

<constrictor> cool

<constrictor> was wondering when someone signs an email using PGP key or something of the sort how do you see the details on that key?

<constrictor> it shows up here as an attachment and then the signature but doesn't tell me who it belongs to or any other details for that matter

<ormiret> I just ignore PGP stuff, there is a plugin to handle it:

<ormiret> http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=gpg

<ormiret> not sure how well it works for keys you don't have

<jayteeuk> Maybe downloads them from a keyserver?

* jayteeuk finally found someone who likes the noise he makes with a guitar.

<mrben> have claws officially split from sylpheed then?

* mrben reads the FAQ and finds out "yes"

<selinuxium_> any apache heads about? I am thinking of enabling mod-rewrite and just wanted to know how! :)

<selinuxium_> GazzaK:

<GazzaK> selinuxium,

<selinuxium_> GazzaK: popey: Do you actually use beryl/compiz as your actual desktops? I have beryl installed and fire it up occassionaly just to show others, but i find myself back with gnome at next boot...

<popey> i dont have beryl on my desktop, i have it installed on my laptop but only use it to show it to people

<popey> never have it activated

<jayteeuk> selinuxium: IIRC there's a script (a2enmod?) that allows you to manage enabled/disabled modules.

<selinuxium_> jayteeuk: cheers

<GazzaK> selinuxium, I do the same as popey now

<GazzaK> metacity most of the time, compiz to show off to people

<selinuxium_> hmmm, I am starting to think all this stuff is like a fifth wheel. if anything it makes the interface more confusing, and slows down the host machine.

<selinuxium_> I am trying to justify it at all...

<daviey> gnugp can automatically download the required keys

<JohnRobert> a2en/site/mod... am I right in thinking all those scripts do is create a symlink and a 'you need to reload apache' message?

<jayteeuk> JohnRobert: Yes, I think so.

<X3N> it's more about includes really

<jayteeuk> They just manage the sites/modules-enabled/available directories I think.

* jayteeuk chuckles at the Subject line of received spam: "Me eat crack".

<jayteeuk> Yeah, you're doing something with crack if you think I'm going to pay any attention to your mail....

<jayteeuk> Do you think if I invited SABDFL to my sister-in-law's 40th birthday party near Jo'burg he'd come?

<popey> Given he lives in London? probably not, no

<jayteeuk> He does? Wow.

<selinuxium_> jayteeuk: a2enmod worked for me! :) cheers, now I am trying to change the DocumentRoot in httpd.conf but it is still going to /var/www

<jayteeuk> selinuxium_: Maybe it's being set in one of the site-specific config files under sites-enabled?

<selinuxium_> jayteeuk: ? sorry you lost me there! I do not have virtual hosts enabled... I have never tried!

<jayteeuk> selinuxium_: I'm not sure how it ships as default, but the trend was to move to a system whereby even the so-called "default" host was included in /etc/apache2/sites-available and the default DocumentRoot would probably be set in the 000-default file there

<selinuxium_> jayteeuk: i will have a look :)

<jayteeuk> If you only haven't set up any virtual hosts, I *think* it just falls back to the default host config, which I *think* is configured just like any other virtual host.

<jayteeuk> It's been quite a while since I played with my Apache config, so I may be remembering things inaccurately.

<selinuxium_> looking good....

<selinuxium_> jayteeuk: woo hoo! that is the kiddy!

<jayteeuk> Excellent. :)

<jayteeuk> Maybe my memory isn't as poor as I thought it was.

<jayteeuk> Is anyone familiar with a TV series that was screened in South Africa about FLOSS called Go Open?

<jayteeuk> I seem to remember it got some worldwide press, which is why I'm asking here rather than ubuntu-za :)

<popey> yeah

<popey> you can download the shows

* popey has them here on his laptop

<jayteeuk> Ah, excellent -- do you have a URL?

<jayteeuk> I only ever saw one episode.

<popey> jayteeuk: google + go-open

<popey> first hit

<jayteeuk> Ah, go-open, with a hyphen.

<jayteeuk> Yeah, I suppose I should have tried it with a space too, instead of just going with my hunch of "goopen".

<popey> :)

<jayteeuk> Heh, I had no idea Canonical was involved.

<popey> Your google gland is weak.

<jayteeuk> Mmmm, yes, I get like that sometimes. Feel free to tell me "GIYF" if it happens again.

<daviey> Give is that "google is your friend" or "google it you fiend"

<daviey> fiend is interchangeable with some other common F words :P

<jayteeuk> Well, yes... there is URL that would also be appropriate to the situation, but not to the channel. ;)

<X3N> popey: did you see angryfacts.com ?

<popey> I am aware of it, yeah, why?

<X3N> no reason, just pretty funny

<popey> :)

<DaveMorris> anyone know what the default fixed font is for ubuntu?

<jayteeuk> DaveMorris: Monospace

<jayteeuk> At least according to my font preferences, which I don't remember changing.

<X3N> anyone use any version control systems ?

<jayteeuk> X3N: CVS mostly at the moment, but I've had a brief passing acquaintance with SVN too.

<X3N> i've tried CVS, SVN and bzr and they're all way to convoluted for what i need

<X3N> I just need something to commit changes to files to

<jayteeuk> RCS is the daddy of CVS.

<jayteeuk> It's not networked though -- CVS is the networked version. :)

<jayteeuk> gtg -- bbl.

*** francis is now known as apokryphos

<VooDoo> good afternoon?

*** MattJ_ is now known as MattJ

<popey> hehe

<popey> he never stops long round here anymore

<popey> I blame vista

* popey uses bzr for the first time

* popey ponders what to do about the pastebin

<popey> the ubuntu-nl one is written in python and based on django

<loudmouthman> why?

<loudmouthman> oh

<loudmouthman> no python ?

<popey> no, it's just that out of the box I dont have django

<popey> it can be installed of course

<popey> it's just a boatload easier to use the pastebin.com code

<popey> (php)

<loudmouthman> and the nl one is better or just prettier ?

<popey> prettier

<popey> simpler

* loudmouthman rememembers that pretty is a feature according to sabdfl .

<popey> supported by an ubuntu person :)

<popey> it's in launchpad

<popey> yeah

<popey> ok, will make it so

<popey> however :)

<JohnRobert> I wonder if my stickers have arrived

<JohnRobert> probably not

<JohnRobert> I only sent off for them on friday evening

<X3N> hello jono

<jono> hey

<X3N> would you like to do some guadec pimping ?

<jayteeuk> Come to GUADEC. It's good.

<X3N> indeed

<X3N> although lugradio clashes a bit with it :|

* jayteeuk boggles at the statement "Here is the latest version of the <product> code. I've got all of it checked out at the moment so let me have back anything you change and I'll check it back all back in."

<jayteeuk> I think this is MS Visual SourceSafe they're using... does it implement pessimistic locking so only one person can use the code at once? :S

* popey wonders what jayteeuks name is

<jayteeuk> James Tait

<jayteeuk> C'est moi.

<X3N> James Tait who knows his fate maybe it's in the tate ?

<disco\\> If I'm running an app windowed, is there some key combination I can use to escape the mouse from that window? :D

<disco\\> Because alt-tab isn't working

<togster> evening all

<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: craft suckage <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/140031.html>

<LoudMouthMan>

<Norf-ubu> ^^ speechless ?

<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, what ya think - http://www.kearley.net/pages/new-home/living-room.php

<popey> what size is that room?

<popey> 12x12?

<GazzaK> popey, 4.8m by 3.3m

<GazzaK> page updated with picture titles now

<Norf-ubu> ok - dont laugh... i misread the last picture description as "doggy perspective"... i so need to get out more in female company :|

<GazzaK> Norf-ubu, hehe

<GazzaK> it's all that dogging

<Norf-ubu> <shakes head>

<Norf-ubu> so so so sorry

* popey laughs and gets enraged at the same time

<GazzaK> what ya think of the pictures?/Idea

<popey> http://www.godtube.com/

* GazzaK uploads goat p0rn

<tsmithe> GazzaK, nice pics. how you make?

<Norf-ubu> shhhhhhhh i dont dog, the judge threw it out...

<GazzaK> tsmithe, google sketch thingy

<GazzaK> (windows based tsmithe ) :'(

<tsmithe> :S

<tsmithe> that's mean and nasty

<popey> does it run under wine?

<GazzaK> yeah not fair eh

<GazzaK> popey, probably, but the lapdog has to be dual boot anyways

<popey> ahh

<GazzaK> it's good though

<GazzaK> and knowing google, they'll make a linux version

<LoudMouthMan> i think you moved to ikea ?

<LoudMouthMan> but nice and uncluttered .. now do it with the wires simulated!

<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, no wires :-) the wall behind the telly is a false wall

<Seeker`> mornin

<tsmithe> morning Seeker`

<DaveMorri1> my hDD has filled up, whats the command to see where its full

<tsmithe> df -h

<DaveMorri1> not df -h but which dirs contain the data

<tsmithe> ah

<tsmithe> du

<tsmithe> man du will help out on that :)

<LoudMouthMan> and certainly not rm -r -f

<tsmithe> haha

<DaveMorri1> cheers

<DaveMorri1> thanks Nik

<DaveMorri1> it solved my problem ;)

<cinex> well done

<Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: ubuntu scribes meeting is 5 if you are interested

<jayteeuk> Damn, I wish NTL would hurry up and upgrade my connection.

<goblimeyW> what is the routine for lost password on ubuntuforums.org ?

<DaveMorri1> 27G .

<Seeker`> DaveMorri1: huh?

<DaveMorri1> I'm guessing that means the current dir is 27G

<DaveMorri1> supprise supprise a log file is full

<jayteeuk> Bug 88815 is a real PITA. :(

<ubot3> Malone bug 88815 in xorg-server "Sluggish rendering since xorg 7.2 update" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88815

<jayteeuk> Sluggish doesn't come close.

<jayteeuk> \o/ mdke is my hero: http://www.mdke.org/?p=69

<jayteeuk> Night all.

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