<boredandblogging> ok, moved some stuff around in LoCoCreatingForum to make it more readable.
<boredandblogging> hey
<effie_jayx> need any help? :D
<pochu> effie_jayx: topic :)
<pochu> the LoCoDocsDay has finished here in Spain
<pochu> 01:20 hehe
<pochu> good luck america!
<pochu> :)
<yharrow> hey
<yharrow> anyone here?
<effie_jayx> :D
<yharrow> does anyone know how I can order a very large number of cds for my team?
<effie_jayx> read the topic :D
<yharrow> sweeet
<yharrow> haha
<yharrow> thanks
<effie_jayx> Zizou, que mas viejo
<effie_jayx> :D
<effie_jayx> Zizou, english here :D
<Zizou> effie_jayx, sup!, i just got here, home
<Zizou> effie_jayx, i was at work
<Zizou> effie_jayx, so, what's going on?
<yharrow> also, how do I get my team approved?
<yharrow> nm
<yharrow> found it
<pochu> yharrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
<effie_jayx> yharrow, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ ;)
<yharrow> thanks man
<yharrow> I should search before I ask
<yharrow> ;)
<yharrow> also
<yharrow> we aer not yet approved
<yharrow> so would you recommend getting cds from shipit/
<yharrow> and if we do, is there any way to get a faster shipment for being a team
<pochu> yharrow: you can get dapper cd's for free
<yharrow> ok, but can we get them faster than a few weeks
<yharrow> like is there any kind of special provision made for teams
<pochu> yharrow: sure, you can burn them yourself! :)
<pochu> hehe
<yharrow> lol
<pochu> yharrow: I think not, sorry :(
<yharrow> oh ok.. thanks man.. I guess in the meanwhile if we want it immediately well make do with burned copies
<yharrow> :)
<yharrow> ubuntu is good any way
<yharrow> raw pressed or dowloaded
<yharrow> flavors always good to me
<yharrow> ;)
<yharrow> wouldve been convenient though
<pochu> yharrow: where are you from? :)
<yharrow> Im from New York :)
<yharrow> the so-called big apple
<yharrow> ;Z)
<yharrow> pochu, how bout you ?
<pochu> yharrow: spain :)
<yharrow> nice?
<yharrow> how do you like it there?
<pochu> yharrow: I've heard something about the new york loco..
<yharrow> :)
<pochu> you had a meeting recently, hadn't you?
<pochu> :)
<yharrow> pochu really?
<yharrow> good news or bad
<yharrow> :)
<yharrow> yeah we did
<pochu> yharrow: yeah, this is really nice :)
<yharrow> on last tuesday
<pochu> and really hot hehe
<pochu> though it's winter...
<yharrow> another one is scheduled this tuesday at 6
<yharrow> est
<pochu> I'm at cet :)
<yharrow> oh ok :)
<yharrow> so good thing I gave you the time zone ;)
<elkbuntu> yharrow, do you need the cds for a conference or something like that?
<yharrow> ya well we plan to give them out at a meeting
<yharrow> but were only 10 guys
<yharrow> shouldnt say only since 10 motivated ppl can do an enormous amount
<yharrow> but yeah
<yharrow> there are 10 of us ;)
<elkbuntu> hmm.. that wouldnt cut it for the conf pack :-/
<yharrow> ya. I guess not.. how many ppl do I need for a conf though?
<pochu> Seveas: sorry :(
<Seveas> pochu, np :)
<pochu> wrong channel :S
<pochu> Seveas: better here? :)
<Seveas> sure
<yharrow> btw we plan on giving out 1k cds within the next couple months, so we ordered them just now by shipit
<pochu> Seveas: should I do anything appart of being a member? :)
<pochu> I read on the wiki that I should contact you
<Seveas> yeah, you should poke m
<pochu> :)
<pochu> heya! :)
<Seveas> but send me an email with your lp id
<Seveas> I'm tired
<pochu> hehe
<pochu> np :)
<pochu> Seveas: seveas@ub?
<Seveas> it's 2:30 here
<pochu> hehe
<Seveas> dennis@u.c
<pochu> Seveas: also here :)
<pochu> ok
<yharrow> I got a question about getting an ubuntu subdomain
<yharrow> anyone think they can help?
<pochu> Seveas: done :)
<pochu> yharrow: what type of subdomain?
<yharrow> like newyork.ubuntu.com or something
<etank> you need to be an approved team first
<pochu> yharrow: you may prefer ny.ubuntu-us.com
<yharrow> is that what most US ppl do?
<pochu> yharrow: yeah :)
<yharrow> ok then
<yharrow> but yeah
<pochu> yharrow: I think :) I'm not american :)
<yharrow> one of our guys posted to launchpad
<etank> i just went through this with kentucky.ubuntu-us.org myself
<etank> we are not approved either
<yharrow> and he says that they told him he has to be official or something
<yharrow> etank, yeah thats what he said
<yharrow> etank, congratulations!
<etank> congrats on what?
<yharrow> etank the subdomain
<yharrow> :)
<etank> we didnt get it though :(
<yharrow> oh shucks
<etank> yeah
<yharrow> i thought you were saying you got ti
<yharrow> even though you werent approved
<etank> i had noticed that some teams that were not on the official approved list had been able to get a subdomain as well
<yharrow> my team mate was teeling me that he saw ppl who got approved event though they were not official
<yharrow> ya
<etank> i think that they are changing it so that you have to be approved now though
<pochu> yharrow: you can poke atoponce, since he is the ubuntu-ny mentor
<pochu> yharrow: he will probably be able to help you a lot :)
<etank> the suggestion that we got was to do work on the forums and wiki and build up our team that way
<yharrow> pochu thanks man :)
<yharrow> will do
<pochu> yharrow: he is in the channel now :)
<pochu> though he seems to be away :)
<pochu> [atoponce] idle 08:08:09, signon: Wed Feb 7 00:37:48
<etank> if he can help then i will hop in on that discussion.
<etank> he is the kentucky mentor as well
<pochu> etank: :)
<yharrow> etank, wanna set up a discussion with him , or should we send seperate emails?
<etank> yharrow: lets set up a discussion. I would not want him to have to answer multiple emails about the same subject
<yharrow> etank, my thoughts exactly ;)
<yharrow> etank, hmm some kind of chat?
<yharrow> etank, or email written on behalf of both of us?
<yharrow> I could do that
<etank> lets do that
<yharrow> which ?
<etank> my email is ericlake@gmail.com
<yharrow> etank, ok, btw what is your teams wiki page url?
<etank> if he would like to have a chat session then we could arrange that in the email and meet here
<pochu> Seveas: if you need anything else from me, just tell me :)
<etank> we are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kentucky and we have a spot on the forums as well
<etank> right now we are setting up a web site at ubuntu-kentucky.org
<etank> though we never did hear back from the trademark people about using that as a domain name
<yharrow> etank similar boat here
<yharrow> ubuntuny.com
<Seveas> yharrow, etank: please keep it consistent and use ny.ubuntu-us.org and kt.ububuntu-us.org (assuming kt is short for kentucky)
<pochu> s/ububuntu/ubuntu/
<pochu> :)
<Seveas> meh
<Seveas> I said I am tired
<pochu> Seveas: ^_^
<etank> Seveas: we can not use the sub domain name of something.ubuntu-us.org unless we are an approved site
<etank> s/site/LoCo
<etank> we have tried that with a launchpad ticket and were denied
<Seveas> then put something on a temporary domain but don't waste money on your own domainname
<Seveas> it's not hard to become approved
<Seveas> <Seveas> nalioth, please cloak pochu
<Seveas> <nalioth> cloak engaged
<pochu> Seveas: ty :)
<etank> I read that we first need to have about 3 activities to become approved
<pochu> Seveas: now should I just restart? :)
<pochu> etank: are you sure you need to become approved to get state.ubuntu-us.org?
<yharrow> yeah I read that too
<yharrow> I wish we could remain consistent
<etank> that is what the the launchpad ticket said
<yharrow> I hate inconsintencies with a pasion
<pochu> yharrow: that would be fine
<yharrow> *passion
<etank> consistency is why i wanted to use kentucky.ubuntu-us.org
<yharrow> etank, I think it would be kt.ubuntu-us.org
<etank> here is the ticket with response https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+ticket/3684
<yharrow> but yeah
<Seveas> pochu, no
<etank> ky.ubuntu-us.org
<Seveas> --- [pochu] (n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu) : Emilio Pozuelo
<pochu> oh :)
<etank> I was using the full state name because of a blog post that atoponce made
<pochu> :)
<pochu> Seveas: ty :)
<etank> that and i have been following the Ohio team and they have ohio.ubuntu-us.org
<yharrow> what do you guys think the chances are of getting the subdomain
<etank> yharrow: we are even willing to host it ourselves
<yharrow> etank, yeah thats what were doing now
<etank> we just need the dns to point to our box
<yharrow> hosting it ourselves
<yharrow> so would be no different
<yharrow> only the name
<yharrow> the domain
<etank> yup
<pochu> yharrow, etank: from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IllinoisTeam
<pochu> Once at least 25+ members are on board, Ubuntu Illinois will receive
<pochu> Website (i.e., [WWW] http://il.ubuntu-us.org)
<etank> but it also says Official team status
<pochu> maybe the requirements are the team members number?
<etank> we have 31 members at this moment
<pochu> etank: you need more than members to get approved
<yharrow> am a little behind with numbers but we are very active
<etank> we are active too
<yharrow> we have at least a third of the team working every day
<etank> on the forums, weekly meetings, mailing lists
<yharrow> and almost everyone at least once every other day
<yharrow> yeah same here
<yharrow> weekly meetings too
<yharrow> anywho.
<yharrow> dunno what to say
<etank> we are planning a release party, install fest, and starting a charity project
<pochu> that's nice :)
<etank> and teaming up with a local LUG
<yharrow> etank, we should prolly just send an email out to atoponce
<etank> do you think that is enough to be approved?
<etank> i don't want to jump the gun on the approval process
<yharrow> one sec...
<yharrow> my team mate told me he got an email on the subject
<yharrow> and is following up
<yharrow> I told him to forward it to me
<etank> i only want to try for approval once we feel that it is going to be approved for sure
<yharrow> etank, yeah I generally have the same attitude
<yharrow> etank, I feel being rejected even once is worse than not being official
<pochu> etank: ohio was recently aprroved (this week)
<etank> yharrow: too true
<pochu> etank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ApprovalApplication
<etank> i saw that
<pochu> etank: you can poke Vorian :)
<yharrow> whos vorian?
<etank> Vorian is the team lead for the Ohio LoCo
<Admiral_Chicago> iirc, ohio became an approved team at last CC meeting
<yharrow> oh ok
<etank> yharrow: i like the look of the NY team wiki pages
<etank> very nice
<yharrow> etank, thanks man, took alot of hard work ;)
<yharrow> our team has been working non stop for more than a week now. its amazing how many ppl there are in ny who love ubuntu
<yharrow> etank your wiki is pretty nice too :)
<etank> ours isnt original at all
<etank> i looked at someone elses because i didnt know how to use wiki
<etank> now that i know more i am thinking about redoing it some
<etank> yharrow: so how long has the NY team been around
<bkingx> And we have a sub-team working to make it really sharp!
<bkingx> Right etank ?
<etank> so far i think that the sub team consists of me
<yharrow> etank, oh about a week and a half ;)
<yharrow> mebbe 2
<etank> im wrong
<etank> there are 3 of us
<bkingx> ;)
<etank> we started with 3 members
<yharrow> etank, what do you mean there are 3?
<yharrow> etank, not 30?
<etank> 3 on the wiki sub-team for our LoCo
<etank> we are creating sub teams so that we can split the work that needs to be done
<etank> that way if there is wiki work to do then we know who to talk to
<etank> yharrow: so are you still wanting to talk to atoponce?
<yharrow> etank, im waiting right now for the forwarded email
<yharrow> gonna check my inbox right now
<yharrow> brb
<yharrow> he didnt send it yet. do you have im?
<yharrow> i hope to resolve this issue tonight
<etank> i have im
<etank> yharrow: check out https://launchpad.net/~etank for my contact details
<yharrow> ok
<yharrow> etank, still there?
<etank> yep
<yharrow> ok
<yharrow> lets do this ;)
<yharrow> have you worked with atoponce before?
<etank> yep
<etank> he is our team mentor
<yharrow> ok so you should probably write the email then
<yharrow> and explain both of our situations
<etank> i thought that he was the NY team mentor too
<yharrow> ya but we didnt get to work with him yet
<yharrow> not for a long period anyways
<yharrow> we spoke for one day
<yharrow> he said great work guys
<yharrow> and we havent been in contact since
<yharrow> although arguably we should
<etank> we have only had a little more than that so far
<yharrow> that was like 5 days ago
<yharrow> how about this
<yharrow> write an email, then mail it to me, Ill take a look at it make changes or add bits.
<yharrow> mail it back to you
<yharrow> and when we come to a decision
<yharrow> well mail it to atoponce
<yharrow> sound like a plan?
<etank> what is your email address?
<yharrow> yharrow@gmail.com
<etank> you've got mail
<yharrow> ;) ok
<etank> will that work you think?
<yharrow> awesome
<yharrow> I absolutelove google "office"
<yharrow> ;)
<etank> should we add the questions about becoming an approved team in the same email?
<yharrow> hmm
<yharrow> I think not
<yharrow> one thing at a time ;-)
<yharrow> but yeah tell him that they wont let us get a domain w/o it
<pochu> night!
<yharrow> we dont want to become approved neccessarily,
<yharrow> just get the subdomain
<etank> night pochu
<etank> approval would be nice though :)
<yharrow> yep. you can add it if you want towards the end
<yharrow> well see
<etank> what do you do for a living
<etank> a lawyer or something ;)
<etank> the site should be .org i think
<yharrow> lol
<yharrow> lmao
<yharrow> etank I am f-lmao
<Vorian> d00t!
<yharrow> etank, Im a student man ;)
<yharrow> etank. for business
<yharrow> etank so yeah
<etank> i was going to guess english major but that fits too
<etank> hey Vorian
<yharrow> salesmen and lawyers do have alot in common
<etank> true
<Vorian> hi etank :)
<yharrow> etank... um I failed english ;)
<etank> you couldn't tell from the letter you are writing
<Vorian> hahaha
<yharrow> etank, my teacher was dumb
<yharrow> ;)
<Vorian> yharrow, its dum, not dumb
<yharrow> whoops
<yharrow> yeah thats what i meant
<Vorian> :)
<yharrow> sorry :S
<yharrow> lol
<Vorian> so who here is working on Docs?
<yharrow> doom
<yharrow> Vorian, hey whats up man, we been talking about you
<Vorian> ?
<etank> Vorian: i was talking with someone earlier about becoming an approved team and they said that i should talk to you since Ohio just went through the process
<Vorian> Ah!
<Vorian> ok
<yharrow> etank, we need to cite teams that were not approved and got approved
<Vorian> thats funny etank
<yharrow> not official
<yharrow> and got approved
<etank> why is it funny? :)
<yharrow> im gonna be right back, etank, hope you dont mind doing a little digging for them and add it to the letter
<Vorian> because it's like we have never talked :)
<etank> no prob
<Vorian> or that you aren't parked in our channel :P
<Vorian> hey SimonAnibal!
<Vorian> SimonAnibal, congrats on the forum
<etank> well. we are trying to learn from you :)
<Vorian> pfft
<Vorian> It tickles my funny bone that someone would tell you to talk to me.
<SimonAnibal> hey Vorian. thanks!
<SimonAnibal> I was gone for the past couple of day and I got back to find that our forums AND our mailing list are now ready for us
<Vorian> ooo, mailing list too eh?
<etank> so is there some kind of formula to follow to know when to go through the approval process?
<Vorian> I heard there was some chatter about non-approved teams getting websites
<etank> that is the other topic we are on
<Vorian> someone called me at home
<Vorian> :P
<Vorian> <etank> so is there some kind of formula to follow to know when to go through the approval process?
<etank> Kentucky and New York have submitted ticket on launchpad to get access to use the ubuntu-us.org sub-domain
<Vorian> OK, that is a timing issue at this point
<etank> both were denied since we are not on the approved list
<Vorian> etank, I read those on launchpad
<SimonAnibal> yeah, it looks like our ducks are lining up in a row
<Vorian> you should read into it a bit more
<etank> how so?
* Vorian find the wording
<Vorian> ok etank, yours first
<Vorian> matt : Hi, just wanted to say I've not forgotten, but we're a little shy on resources and a little heavy on todo items... I will be getting to this soon.
<Vorian> There is a significant event happening on Monday the 5th.
<Vorian> I would guess that a few weeks after the 5th, things will calm down a bit.
<etank> what would that be? or can you say?
<Vorian> it has to do with the ubuntu.com site
<Vorian> most of their attention has been on the site.
<etank> but in the same ticket he said that we would need to be approved first.
<etank> NY got the same thing
<Vorian> i see that
<Vorian> to be honest, our website is our weak leg.
<etank> the thing for us i feel is that we have a site to use and want to stick with the naming convention being set by the other teams
<etank> we are using ubuntu-kentucky.org at this moment but someone here said that we should use the sub-domain for consistency
<Vorian> like ohio.ubuntu-us.org?
<etank> yup
<Vorian> do you have a lot of energy about this issue?
<etank> we want to use kentucky.ubuntu-us.org and NY asked for newyork.ubuntu-us.org
* Vorian has an idea
<etank> what do you mean by energy?
<Vorian> how much energy do you want to spend on this issue?
<etank> i dont want to be a problem / bother though
<etank> as much as it takes i guess.
<Vorian> ok then
<Vorian> take it to the community council
<Vorian> The domain is already in use
<Vorian> www.ubuntu-us.org
<etank> if only i knew someone that was on the CC.
<Vorian> I think a good argument can be made to allow the sub-domains to be released
* etank points to Vorian
<Vorian> etank, not me
<Vorian> I am not on the CC
<Vorian> lol
<etank> i thought that you were. my bad,
<Vorian> its ok
<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
<etank> is there an irc channel for the CC
<etank> or that would work too
<Vorian> etank, they have meetings on irc
<Vorian> you can add yourself to the agenda here
<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
<etank> sweet
* Vorian notices that the agenda need updating
<etank> unless you are trying for approval again
<Vorian> haha
<etank> next topic then
<Vorian> k
<yharrow> etank, we need links if we aer to have a strong case
<yharrow> and no im not a lawyer
<yharrow> ;)
<Vorian> yharrow, what do you mean?
<etank> how can I know if our team is ready to ask to be an approved LoCo
<yharrow> vorian we are trying to poke our mentor into pushing button /sarcasm
<Vorian> ah!
<etank> we have 31 members and are actively having weekly irc meeting
<Vorian> lol
<etank> active on the forums, mailing list, and wiki
<etank> we have planned a release party, install-fest and starting a charity project
<Vorian> you need an approval application
<etank> we just dont want to jump the gun here
<Vorian> let me present you with this fine application
<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ApprovalApplication
<etank> i have seen that very impressive application
<Vorian> etank, we had been working on this app since december
<Vorian> once you feel you are ready
<Vorian> email jono to review your app
<Vorian> or you might catch him on irc for the 3 seconds he comes on every day :P
<bkingx> I think etank is wanting some specific hints as to when we might be ready.
<etank> i dont think that would be enough time
<Vorian> ok
<bkingx> Like....get 1, 2, 3 items done, and then send in your app.
<bkingx> Is that right, etank ?
<Vorian> bkingx, it really doesn't work like that.
<Vorian> we followed the process outlined on the wiki
<Vorian> here are the steps
<Vorian> 1) We set up our resources as fast as possible.
<Vorian> as for the website, almost half of the team did NOT want to go with Canonical hosting
* Vorian is finding supporting documentation
<bkingx> That seems to be our case too.
<Vorian> ah, i merged some threads
<bkingx> We are split between the Canonical Hosting, and a 'standard' for domain names.
<Vorian> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308556
<bkingx> ie: ubuntu-kentucky.org
* Vorian nods to bkingx
<etank> Vorian: did you have to get approval from the trademark team to use the ubuntu-ohio.org name?
<Vorian> etank, http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org
<etank> nm it is utah that is doing ubuntu-utah.org
<Vorian> but like i said earlier, the website really hasn't done anything for us yet
<bkingx> And aren't they an approved team as well?
* Vorian smacks etank
<bordy> vorian: Any idea how long its going to take to hear back about a mailing list? I have everything else set up now for FL, and am actually getting members randomly showing up... could use the mailing list. lol
* etank swiftly dodges said smack
<Vorian> bordy, it could take a while
<bordy> damn
<Vorian> !ohmy
<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
<Vorian> :)
<bordy> srsly got like 4 people in the last two days... not a ton, but a surprise.
<etank> ok so we have the first step done then
<bordy> sorry!
<bkingx> But I want to say GOOD JOB bordy, for setting it up!
<bordy> thanks!
* Vorian highfives bordy
<Vorian> etank, we are working on a support module for our website
<Vorian> F2F
<Vorian> Face to Face
<Vorian> anyway
<Vorian> that will be a good use for our site.
<Vorian> right now its only an ornament
<Vorian> *drupal*
<etank> so far our charity project idea is the same
<Vorian> yes, that is a really good idea
<Vorian> after we set up our resources, we introduced the sub-teams
<Vorian> not that we really needed sub teams
<Vorian> but it was a way to get a lot of people active and in supporting roles early in the game
<Vorian> and it worked wonders!
<etank> i agree and we are starting to do some of the same
<Vorian> the real key is documenting everything
<etank> i am wanting more of the team to take ownership in what we are doing
<Vorian> you have zenwhen on your team, he's an ubuntu member.
<Vorian> and forums staff
<etank> true
<yharrow> etank I am currently chatting with aaron
<etank> i guess that we can start to work on our application then and see how it goes
<etank> yharrow: where?
<Vorian> atoponce?
<etank> Vorian: yeah
<atoponce> Vorian?
<Vorian> werd atoponce
<atoponce> word to yo' mamma
* Vorian breakdances
<yharrow> yeah
<yharrow> atoponce
<yharrow> etank #ubuntu-ny
<Vorian> is anyone still working on Docs?
<boredandblogging> hey all
<Vorian> whooop boredandblogging!!!!!
<boredandblogging> hey man
<boredandblogging> i see there was a discussion of hosting for non-approved teams
<Vorian> yep
<boredandblogging> looks like some people are surprised by it all
<boredandblogging> how did you think Doc Day went?
<Vorian> boredandblogging, I think it went great!
<Vorian> and you are the mvp!
<boredandblogging> haha
<boredandblogging> glad it went well
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<yharrow> almost
<yann2> Seveas o/ got 2 seconds?
<Seveas> sure
<Admiral_Chicago> it's been two seconds :)
<Seveas> yup, time's up :p
<Admiral_Chicago> God only has so much time...
<Seveas> rofl
<Admiral_Chicago> okay i'm supposed to be asleep
<Seveas> yann2, did we scare you?
<Admiral_Chicago> probably
<yann2> re
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<zed> hi
* dthacker ponders the mysteries of CD labeling
<dthacker> Is it truly important to have a injket or screen printed CD? Would a stick on mailing label do?
<SimonAnibal> dthacker: a stick on mailing label would unbalance the CD, which might cause problems in certain drives including damaging the disc (not sure about damaging the drive)
<SimonAnibal> dthacker: at least, I was told this by a videographer who works with DVDs, I'd believe his story until proven wrong
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<JanC> SimonAnibal: it could damage the drive too
<JanC> and in any case, it will shorten the drive's lifetime
<SimonAnibal> JanC: That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure
<SimonAnibal> dthacker: So, yeah, it can damage the drive, too
<JanC> also, most stickers use glue that penetrates through the upper plastic coating of CDs/DVDs
<JanC> that coating is like 0.1 mm thick...
<JanC> in fact, most of the CD labels that they sell in computer shops have the same problem
<JanC> so, I never use stickers on CD-Rs :)
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<SimonAnibal> JanC: So long as Sharpies aren't known to eat through CD-Rs, I'm good
<JanC> "Sharpies"?
<Vorian> JanC, Sharpies are a brand of black permanent marker.
<JanC> ah, okay, I use markers too (from Bic), just make sure they are water-based :)
<Vorian> lol
<JanC> some permanent markers have solvents in them :)
<elkbuntu> you can get cd/dvd sharpies too
<elkbuntu> where they're designed speifically for use on cds/dvds
<Vorian> ^ those are sweet!
<JanC> yeah, that's what I do: check if they are intended for use on CDs :)
<Joe_CoT> when will the feisty CDs be shipped out? There's an event at the end of April by me, and I wanted to see if feisty cds would be ready by then
<JanC> that would be very short time
<JanC> Joe_CoT: release is planned for somewhere around April 20-22 IIRC
<JanC> and pressing & shiping CDs takes at least a week, maybe longer
<JanC> probably longer
<Joe_CoT> ok
<JanC> you can always ask Canonical
<Joe_CoT> yeah, i suppose
<Joe_CoT> I'm probably going to just ask for Edgy CDs then, just not a ton of them, since they'll only be useful that event
<Joe_CoT> and then put in an insert telling them to install Feisty if they like the live CD

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