<aleska__> when does loco doc days officially begin? timezone?

<elkbuntu> it has already commenced

<aleska__> I'm new to participating in loco teams, and don't use irc often...is there a moderator and discussion going on somewhere?

<aleska__> ...or am I interupting a "moment of silence' ;-)

<aleska__> elkbuntu: I just realized who you are. I read your blog (via planet). Nice to meet you

<elkbuntu> :)

<elkbuntu> currently nobody is really here. im in the middle of something myself.

<elkbuntu> nixternal ping?

<nixternal> pongerz

*** vorian_ is now known as Vorian

<aleska__> well its still early evening of the 2nd here in Denver CO...just wanted to make sure this was the right place

<nixternal> aleska__: you are in the right place :)

<nixternal> 8pm here in Chicago. Plus I am knee deep in Kubuntu SysDocs for the rest of the week :(

<Vorian> nixternal, congrats on Illinois!

<nixternal> why thank you

<Vorian> :)

<nixternal> man, I have had more emails since that blog post

<Vorian> lol

<nixternal> I think we have surpassed 20+ members in 24 hours, and now have over 100+ in Chicago

<nixternal> jeesh

<nixternal> there are so many people on Freenode and OFTC that are in Illinois using *buntu, they found me :)

<Vorian> Thats great!

<aleska__> nixternal: are you Chicago proper, or in one of the burbs?

<nixternal> aleska__: all the above

<nixternal> I am in the burbs now

<nixternal> 20 miles west

<nixternal> I can see the Sears tower though from my bedroom winder

<aleska__> my family and I moved to Denver area from Evanston bout 21/2 years ago.

<nixternal> OK, I am out by Schaumburg, and I go to Northwestern/Kellogg

<aleska__> cool!

<nixternal> RSI break! :)

<nixternal> bbiaf

<Vorian> nixternal, is the us teams map your svg?

<aleska__> I've know lots and lots of Kellogg grads; great program

<Vorian> oops

<nixternal> Vorian: yes, but I have also attached it to that wiki page, so in the drop down menu check out attachments

<aleska__> do the loco teams really just focus on spreading *ubuntu? or does it also involve things like rockbox install parties? I thought I read something about that once...

<Vorian> sweet

<Vorian> nixternal, you turned us yellow again when you added the new teams :P

<Vorian> aleska__, all kinds of things

<Vorian> check out our wiki

<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam

<Vorian> we do education, support, installing

<Vorian> etc....

<aleska__> checking it out now

<nixternal> Vorian: I will fix that now

<Vorian> ty nixternal :)

<nixternal> done

<Vorian> yay

<elkbuntu> heya boss

<elkbuntu> wtf are you doing on at this hour?

<jono> hey

<jono> docs day!

<Vorian> \o/

<jono> although I have to get to bed in a sec

<jono> just got back home from three days in London

<jono> late train

<jono> still can't believe my bleedin' jacket is on ebay

<jono> :P

<elkbuntu> jono, someone needs to find your hat and ebay that ;)

<Vorian> jono, how much more do you need?

<jono> elkbuntu: hehe

<jono> Vorian: I have hit the target for my own charity thing - I am now after twice as much money, so donate :)

<Vorian> :)

<nixternal> woohoo

* nixternal is knee deep in sysdocs

<Vorian> jono, you owe me a beer :P

<jono> Vorian: :)

<nixternal> whoa, jono is actually around, bar must have just closed :)

<jono> heh

<jono> nixternal: less of that young man :P

<nixternal> muhehe

<nixternal> yes, less of sysdocs is a must

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, ;)

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx! how did it go?

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, excelent

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, people LOVE ubuntu

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, w00t!

<effie_jayx> and I did feel like a local jono

<effie_jayx> :D

<elkbuntu> hehehe

<effie_jayx> people taking pictures with me

<elkbuntu> where are the videos!

<effie_jayx> None yet... I got pics though

<effie_jayx> we didn't find one

<elkbuntu> gimmegimmegimme!

<effie_jayx> Videos for the release party

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, later today :D

* elkbuntu pouts

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, Bella is very tired

<elkbuntu> heh. why?

<effie_jayx> but we are Triunphal

<effie_jayx> we have been running around since 7:00 am

<elkbuntu> triumphant?

<effie_jayx> sorry

<effie_jayx> :S

<elkbuntu> it is quite exusable

<elkbuntu> excusable*

<effie_jayx> and it is 11:24 pm

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, but the presentation ROCKED

<effie_jayx> people on their feet asking real questions... of people that are already using ubuntu

<effie_jayx> many projects of installing

<jono> effie_jayx: sounds wicked dude :)

<elkbuntu> you rock Efrain :)

<effie_jayx> jono, it was :D

<elkbuntu> i told you that you would be great

<jono> ubuntu kicking ass again

<effie_jayx> indeed

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, lot's of public schools wanting me to go an visit teach teachers how to ubuntu

* elkbuntu cheers for effie_jayx

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, :D Istill have tomorrow

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, it is a 2 day thing?

<effie_jayx> and I plan to orient a small networking session for ubunteros to come together

* Vorian highfives effie_jayx

<elkbuntu> oh right.. i do remember you showing me the schedule for it

* effie_jayx highfives Vorian back

<Vorian> :)

<effie_jayx> well

<effie_jayx> It was the first ever event at my university

<effie_jayx> I did mention it was a microsoft agreement campus by the way

<effie_jayx> ;)

<jono> right bed for bacon

<jono> night all

<elkbuntu> isnt that against the presidential decrree?

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, it is not a public entity

<elkbuntu> ah

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, the interesting thing is that many students met reallity

<elkbuntu> you guys just need to go as far as cuba ;)

<effie_jayx> there were government officials calling for help

<elkbuntu> speaking of, i should introduce myself to the cubans, empowering them now would be a good idea i think

<effie_jayx> and students saw a real chance

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, :)

<effie_jayx> so

<elkbuntu> omg... there's nobody in #ubuntu-cu :-/

<elkbuntu> this is not good!

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, internet access is restricte elkbuntu

<effie_jayx> they can't be online 24 / 7

<effie_jayx> :S

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, during what times?

<effie_jayx> rolando can tell you the story

<elkbuntu> are they able to be online?

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, you know much about cuba?

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, they are communist and fidel castro gave up smoking so they stopped making cigars

<elkbuntu> but no, not much about them socially

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, internet is not a means of communication... it is a luxury

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, I will find out more and let you know...

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, right, but someone registered them as a loco and said there's a channel.. but it's empty other than chanserv

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, cuba is a very young team and

<elkbuntu> there is not even a /topic

<effie_jayx> I shall dig in and get them more active

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, that's what i was hoping to do, yes

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, rolando is on line

<effie_jayx> I shall as

<effie_jayx> ask

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, I asked in #ubuntu-ve

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, gotta go now.. I have to finish eating

<elkbuntu> ok :)

<effie_jayx> I'll meet you in two hours?

<effie_jayx> for pics

<effie_jayx> :D

<elkbuntu> :D

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, va?

<elkbuntu> si

*** effie_jayx is now known as Bella-ve

<Bella-ve> elkbuntu, :D

<elkbuntu> haha, buenas noches Bella-ve

<elkbuntu> como estas?

<Bella-ve> Hola elkbuntu, yo estoy Feliz :D

<elkbuntu> Bella-ve, like efrain then :)

<Bella-ve> Yes, we are!!!

<msak007> hey Vorian

<Vorian> hey msak007 :)

<msak007> congrats on becoming official :)

<Vorian> ty :)

<FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know when it's possible for a LoCo team to put in an order for feisty CDs?

<boredandblogging> have you celebrated yet?

<FunnyLookinHat> I guess I would assume release day, but was hoping for earlier.

<Vorian> FunnyLookinHat, about two weeks before the release

<FunnyLookinHat> k sweet

<Vorian> boredandblogging, haven't stopped :P

<boredandblogging> awesome

<boredandblogging> so I've been trying to figure out the next steps for the Georgia LoCo

<boredandblogging> we've got a few people who hang out in irc

<boredandblogging> all the online stuff is set

<Vorian> good, good.

<FunnyLookinHat> Now you just have to start giving away official CDs and you're golden... : )

<boredandblogging> right...and I know this is asked often and I"m sure there is faq or wiki about it, but where?

<boredandblogging> or rather to whom?

<Vorian> boredandblogging, start with one small activity people can do locally.

<Vorian> boredandblogging, its on right now :)

<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay

* Vorian point out that the topic on this channel is sorely out of date....

<Vorian> points*

<boredandblogging> kingbahamut is going to do a little something at his place in a few weeks, jsvh and I will probably attend

<Vorian> A HAHAHAHA

<Vorian> that would be fun :)

<boredandblogging> ahh, LoCoDocsDay has already started

<boredandblogging> ok, I'm adding the fact that only approved LoCo can have websites hosted by Canonical

<Vorian> boredandblogging, shhhh

<Vorian> here's a secret

<Vorian> not really...

<Vorian> hehe

<elkbuntu> FunnyLookinHat, probably a fortnight after feisty is released

<elkbuntu> im not entirely sure

<elkbuntu> boredandblogging, that is not entirely true afaik

<boredandblogging> really, I had a request on launchpad, and thats the response I got

<Vorian> boredandblogging, we had ours a few months before we were approved ;)

<FunnyLookinHat> elkbuntu, cool beans. I was hoping to order them before the release date so I could at least promise them to people at the Release Party if I can't give them out ; )

<elkbuntu> FunnyLookinHat, as with every release, shipit gets reworked, so one wont know until it happens

<FunnyLookinHat> right right.

<FunnyLookinHat> I heard rumor it's going to be integrated into launchpad : )

<elkbuntu> i have no clue about that, sorry

<boredandblogging> it looks like the new policy is only for approved teams: https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+ticket/3662

<boredandblogging> the same answer was given to new york and kentucky

<Vorian> hmmm

<Vorian> sorry boredandblogging :(

<boredandblogging> its not that big of a deal...even if we had one, we would still have to have a plan on what we wanted to do, and we don't

<elkbuntu> boredandblogging, loco news is probably the best use of it for english-speaking teams

<boredandblogging> ok, updated LoCoCreatingWebsite with the information.

<Vorian> created a page

<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingForum

<Vorian> elkbuntu, Next Meeting: Sun 11th Feb 22.00 UTC <------ in the topic :P

<Vorian> oops, so sorry. thought you were on the list :S

<elkbuntu> Vorian, i cannot change the topic

<elkbuntu> Vorian, i have no mod rights in here :(

<Vorian> i saw.

<Vorian> /cs k Vorian

<elkbuntu> otherwise the topic would be 'GET YOUR ARSES IN HERE AND WRITE LOCO DOCS!'

<Vorian> haha

<Vorian> yes, Yann2 and jono need more ops in here :P

<elkbuntu> especially since neither are present

<Vorian> lol

<Vorian> and jenda's traveling the world

<elkbuntu> yep. seveas could add more people if necessary

<elkbuntu> since he pwns all

<Vorian> hehe

<Vorian> se veas scares me ~o~

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, :D

<Seveas> Vorian, MUHAHAHAHAHA

<Vorian> aaaaaahhhh!

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Seveas

* Vorian hides

<Seveas> blimey

<Seveas> I'm op here

*** ChanServ sets mode: -o Seveas

<Vorian> lol

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o elkbuntu

<Seveas> have fun dear

* Seveas back to bed

* Seveas is going to kill one of his colleagues soon

* FunnyLookinHat wants to know if he can have the dead guy's stuff.

<Seveas> his stupidity cost me another night of work

<Seveas> you can have all you want

<Seveas> I'm pissed

<FunnyLookinHat> lol

<Vorian> ouch!

<effie_jayx> BEHOOLLDDdd......

<effie_jayx> the almighty elkbuntu :D

<elkbuntu> hehe

*** elkbuntu changes topic to "Welcome to the Ubuntu LoCo project! Full team list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList | Next Meeting: Sun 11th March 10:00 UTC | Everyone! Go and add questions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ - Approved Teams: Get your Edgy CDs see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds | Does your LoCo Team need a forum? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=181 | LOCO DOCS DAY, TODAY 3rd March 2007! cat your_brain > LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase"

* Vorian cheers

<Vorian> \o/

<effie_jayx> :D

<Vorian> Question for everyone....

<effie_jayx> I had one too :S

<Vorian> Should all LoCo teams have a launchpad entry?

<Vorian> If so...

<elkbuntu> yes

<Vorian> This should be easy then on the FAQ's

<Vorian> Joining Teams

<Vorian> via Launchpad

* elkbuntu cheers Vorian on

* Vorian updates...

<effie_jayx> I have a question

<effie_jayx> have you decied where the spanish Docs will be posted?

<boredandblogging> are you providing an explanation why all LoCos need a launchpad account?

<Vorian> boredandblogging, because all the cool teams are doing it :P

<boredandblogging> good enough for me!

<Vorian> 2 reasons

<Vorian> 1. keeps accurate record of members

<Vorian> 2. secure voting

<Vorian> 'nuff said

<boredandblogging> cool

<Vorian> you can also get jiggy and create subteams and bzr branches like we did.

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, Spanish Docs go where?

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, im not sure. we were supposed to decide, but rinchen isnt here. probably an idea to put them in the main wiki and make a prominent link from the main wiki docs page to the root of the spanish wiki loco docs

<elkbuntu> errr/ put them in the spanish wiki*

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, there is a spansh wiki?

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, i would assume so

<effie_jayx> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/wiki/doku.php ???

<effie_jayx> not

<elkbuntu> that seems it :-/

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, there?

<effie_jayx> that's the spain's loCo team site...

<elkbuntu> i guess so. im not understanding much of the page

<effie_jayx> ok... I want to help translating

<effie_jayx> some docs

<elkbuntu> effie_jayx, are you not going to sleep before the second day of the conference tomorrow?

<elkbuntu> i dont want you burning yourself out :-/

* Vorian gives effie_jayx some sleepy pills ;-)

<effie_jayx> ok

<effie_jayx> off to bed it is then

<effie_jayx> ;)

<effie_jayx> catch you guys latter

<Vorian> night :)

* effie_jayx highfives Vorian and hugs the almighty elkbuntu

* Vorian highfives effie_jayx back

<boredandblogging> way too touchy feely in here

<boredandblogging> :-)

* Vorian throws a brick at boredandblogging

<boredandblogging> ouch

* Vorian starts up a chainsaw

* boredandblogging starts looking left and right

* Vorian notices its a Husqvarna

<Vorian> wow

<boredandblogging> haha

<boredandblogging> lost me the husqvarna thing there

<boredandblogging> i assume its a chain saw company

* Vorian cuts his own arm off

* boredandblogging laughs

<boredandblogging> oops

* Vorian throws leaches on wound

<Vorian> all better

<Vorian> it is hard to type with one hand though.

<boredandblogging> haha

* Vorian is tired

* Vorian can never go to bed once he starts fiddling around with the wiki

<Vorian> so what is official LoCo desktop bling? Compiz or Beryl?

<Vorian> I vote for beryl

<boredandblogging> i hear a lot more about beryl

<boredandblogging> i can't get it work with dual monitors though

<boredandblogging> but it was definitely cool when I had one screen

<Vorian> lol

<Vorian> boredandblogging, I just went with a dell 24" widescreen.

<boredandblogging> nice

<boredandblogging> how much was it

<Vorian> I got a good deal on a package from dell

<Vorian> new computer and all

<boredandblogging> nice

<Vorian> the wife was pissed when I wiped the HD

<boredandblogging> you erase all her emails or something?

<Vorian> no, no.

<Vorian> Opened the box

<Vorian> set up the computer

<Vorian> turned it on

<Vorian> waited forever for vista to update

<Vorian> put in ubuntu cd

<Vorian> restarted the computer

<Vorian> installed ubuntu

<Vorian> :)

<boredandblogging> HAHA

<Vorian> lol

<Vorian> she was not laughing

<boredandblogging> i bet

<boredandblogging> "damn you and your penguins!"

<Vorian> her only problem is vista was a % of the cost of the computer.

<boredandblogging> right

<Vorian> I showed her s76's site

<Vorian> not a huge difference in price

<Vorian> plus!

<boredandblogging> yeah

<Vorian> I got a 24' widescreen!

* Vorian repents for getting off topic

<Vorian> !stop

<boredandblogging> ok, this is funny: http://blog.levhita.net/2006/07/03/ubuntus-discs/

<boredandblogging> make sure your wife isn't around

<boredandblogging> its the ubuntu logo

<Vorian> seen that one :)

<Vorian> there is a frontal chest version of that too

<boredandblogging> oh really?

<boredandblogging> haha

<boredandblogging> ok I see it

<boredandblogging> thank god for google images

<Vorian> :S

<boredandblogging> alright made some slight changes to the LoCoDocs, hopefully will make more tomorrow, night Vorian

<Vorian> night boredandblogging :)

<Vorian> hiya bordy

<bordy> hey! Good news, I just got my first email based on the wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam site :-D

<Vorian> yay!

<Vorian> hey bordy, do you have a launchpad account?

<bordy> I think I do?

<bordy> but I haven't really figured launchpad out

<Vorian> time for bed

<Vorian> night

<bordy> night

<Vorian> bordy, make an entry in launchpad for you team

<bordy> I will try to figure it oot.

<Vorian> follow ours

<Vorian> https://beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio

<Vorian> oops

<Vorian> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio

<Vorian> bordy, ^ that one

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, back :D

<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, this has been translated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/spanish?highlight=%28LoCoTeams%29

<effie_jayx> now should I continue working there?

<effie_jayx> the links are in english though...

<effie_jayx> GatoLoko, ;)

<effie_jayx> I guess I would have to wait until the docs are loced before I can translate them... so that ay I wouldn't be translating a doc that is being worked on

<effie_jayx> :S

<xbright> Hello

<effie_jayx> xbright, hello :D

<xbright> Is there a LoCoTeams admin here ?

<xbright> hello effie_jayx

<effie_jayx> xbright, quite a few

<xbright> I've got a problem with my own LoCoTeam (ReunionTeam) and smurf doesn't answers to my email

<effie_jayx> xbright, everybody seems to be away now... try talking in here a little while later.. .

<effie_jayx> ping elkbuntu ;)

<xbright> effie_jayx, Ok, thanks

<elkbuntu> xbright, how long ago did you email smurf?

<xbright> elkbuntu, yesterday

<elkbuntu> xbright, give him time to respond. it may take a few days.

<elkbuntu> what are the problems, anyway?

<xbright> I put the site of ReunionTeam on another server and the domain name does not point any more

<xbright> it's juste a litle things to do in the domain configuration

<elkbuntu> xbright, ok, try contacting matthew nuzem, who is newz2000 on irc, or emailing rt at admin.canonical.com if neither matthew or smurf respond in the next day or so

<xbright> elkbuntu, ok thanks :-)

<elkbuntu> but give matthew at least 6 hours to respond, since he is likely asleep now

<zed> hi

<xbright> §/away

<xbright> :D

* elkbuntu frowns at the away message

<Vorian> good morning :)

<Vorian> or

<elkbuntu> morning vorian

<Vorian> evening :P

<Vorian> hi etank!

<etank> hey there

<Vorian> are you here to win the free car?

<elkbuntu> rofl

<Vorian> :)

<elkbuntu> Vorian, a matchbox car?

<Vorian> its a surprise!

<Vorian> I made another post to the planet. Hopefully that will get some more folks working today :)

<Vorian> I think that will be the 3rd or 4th post.

<elkbuntu> http://bash.org/?734413

<elkbuntu> Vorian we must have topped 10 planet mentions by now

<elkbuntu> and it is only just now ticking to nixternal/rinchen waking hous

<elkbuntu> s/hous/hours/

<Vorian> lol -----> http://bash.org/?734413

<elkbuntu> Vorian, indeed. my grandmother was never that cool :-/

<Vorian> hehe

<Vorian> ok, I mentioned the free car too :-D

* atoponce yawns

* Vorian splashed atoponce with cold water

<atoponce> has the day started?

<elkbuntu> atoponce, yeah

* Vorian looks at his kids running pelmel around the house

<Vorian> yep, its a new day :)

* atoponce stretches

<atoponce> it's 05:38 right now

<Vorian> wow!

<Vorian> atoponce, you convinced me to buy that keyboard.

<atoponce> sweet

<atoponce> i'm a little nervous

<atoponce> i've heard varying things about it

<Vorian> Its got gold! How can you beat that?

<atoponce> ok. so, now that i'm here, where to start?

<atoponce> any specific docs to work on?

<elkbuntu> atoponce, see /topic

<Vorian> I think this needs the most work ----> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ

<elkbuntu> Vorian, yep, and.... let me find the url to the link joey and others set up

<Vorian> kewl

<elkbuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay

<atoponce> sweet

* atoponce gets to work

<etank> so if we see something that could be added should we mention it to the author of the page?

<etank> that is if we don't know the answer.

<elkbuntu> etank, the wiki is for all to edit. if you're feeling cautious, add a = Comments = section

<etank> ok

<elkbuntu> the main thing is avoiding removing information or advice unless it is exceedingly obvious that it is incorrect

<etank> it turned out that atoponce was on the page that I was going to edit anyway

<Vorian> smack! wiki denial!

<etank> i was wondering how to add a second moderator to the teams forum if they were not listed in the original request.

<Vorian> etank, who do you want to add?

<etank> no one in particular

<Vorian> just send a PM to ubuntu-geek

<Vorian> when you are ready too.

<etank> so should we add that to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingForum page then

<Vorian> etank, It was blank about 7 hours ago :P

<Vorian> the only other thing I would add is free forum hosting like forumer.com

<Vorian> but Ubuntu Forums rock!

<etank> i agree

<atoponce> Vorian: what is the subforum url for the ohio team?

<Vorian> ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org

<Vorian> i think...

* Vorian checks

<atoponce> not ohio.ubuntuforums.org?

<Vorian> is your utah.

<Vorian> ?

<atoponce> no. ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org, which is redundant, i think

<atoponce> ubuntu twice in the same url

<atoponce> should be utah.ubuntuforums.org

<atoponce> i think

<atoponce> what are your thoughts?

<Vorian> I kinda like the loco part

<Vorian> ubuntu-geek just did it for us, we didn't ask for a specific sub domain

<atoponce> hmmm

<atoponce> ok

<Vorian> and its linked soooo, I dunno

<Vorian> there are bigger fish to fry right now, so I don't want to bother him.

<atoponce> etank: you're looking how to get another moderator for your team forums?

<atoponce> etank: i can add that info, if you want

<Vorian> <Vorian> etank, who do you want to add?

<Vorian> <etank> no one in particular

<etank> i figured if it was a question that I of us had then others may have it also so it would be good to document it

<atoponce> yeah. i think it should be documented

<atoponce> i'll add it

<Vorian> atoponce, add that the best loco forum will win a trip to cancun. Winner will be selected on July 31 2007/

<atoponce> really? are you serious?

<Vorian> All expenses are paid by the winning team.

<Vorian> lol

<atoponce> nice

<Vorian> hehe

<elkbuntu> Vorian, try not to run 'competitions' that are able to be misunderstood... well not for another month -3 days ;)

<Vorian> 'Twas all in jest.

<Vorian> elkbuntu, which one are you referring to?

<elkbuntu> Vorian> atoponce, add that the best loco forum will win a trip to cancun. Winner will be selected on July 31 2007/<Vorian> All expenses are paid by the winning team.

<Vorian> ok

<Vorian> Yes, that was all a joke

<elkbuntu> wait for april 1 for that sort of joke ;)

<Vorian> ah,

<elkbuntu> people who misunderstand are less likely to kill you then

<Vorian> haha

<Vorian> they will do that anyways :)

<Vorian> But! me adds that to the bag of sneaky things to do on April 1st >:-)

<aleska> goodness...after an eight hour sleep I return to find you both still here...that's dedication!

<Vorian> atoponce, don't kill me ok?

<Vorian> aleska, i'm part robot

<Vorian> but

<Vorian> welcome back!

<aleska> thanks borg

<atoponce> Vorian: it's all good... for now...

<Vorian> ~o~

* atoponce rubs his hands together whilst thinking of some diabolical practical joke he can play on Vorian

* Vorian runs and hides

<Vorian> atoponce, that hurts my feelilngs

<Vorian> you changed my code box

<Vorian> :(

* Vorian cries

<atoponce> sorry

<atoponce> interlinking wasn't working

<atoponce> and i don't know of a way to get it to work in {{{ }}}

<Vorian> ah...

<Vorian> no worries

<Vorian> I'm done crying now

<aleska> q: (to those of you using gnome) which irc chat client do you happen to be using? I notice there is both an "X-Chat Gnome IRC" and "X-Chat IRC" available. Asking b/c I rarely do IRC chat.

<Vorian> aleska, I use x-chat

<aleska> can I run them side by side to see which I like better?

<Vorian> i discourage the use of x-chat gnome

<Vorian> sure, but it won't take very long to figure it out :P

<aleska> really, what's the big diff?

<Vorian> you'll see

<Vorian> :)

* atoponce uses irssi

<atoponce> with screen

<Vorian> what's the command for that/

<Vorian> ?*

<atoponce> screen irssi

<Vorian> ah

<aleska_> hmmm...I'm using xChat now over XChat Gnome...yet, I don't seem to have anything more important or worthwhile to say than I did with the other client. ;)

<Vorian> what do you think of the difference?

<aleska_> well, so far I notice that different users seem to have different colors...that's nice

<elkbuntu> moin boss

<aleska_> I also like the quick list of users on the right side bar

<Vorian> :)

<aleska_> oh, I guess I should correct myself, Vorian and elkbuntu both show up as blue...it would be neat if I could assign a color specific to a user, to make tracking a particular user's comments a bit easier. Is that possible?

<aleska_> ...in XChat that is

<Vorian> aleska, that is random afaik

<elkbuntu> aleska, should be able to make a highlight?

<elkbuntu> try in Settings > Preferences

<aleska_> will check it out...

<aleska_> I've selected the give different users different colors setting...would you mind humoring me with a ping to see it action?

<elkbuntu> aleska, ping?

<elkbuntu> if that's what you're wanting?

<Vorian> i think he's talking about the user column, not the highlight text (which aleska most likely sees in red)

<aleska_> er...what you just did...made a comment

<Vorian> or that ping?

<aleska_> :)

<Vorian> wb aleska :)

<jono> hi all

<jono> could someone do me a favour?

<Vorian> sure jon

<jono> and let me know how many docs have been updated and worked on in the docs day?

<Vorian> pfft

<jono> if its possible

<Vorian> hmmm

<Vorian> sorry, didn't mean pfft at your request jono :)

<jono> heh

<Vorian> we should add a comment section to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay to list changes

* Vorian adds

<jono> would be useful

<jono> to just show how much work has been done

<jono> I can also count it in the recent changes stuff on the wiki if needed

<jono> :)

<jono> right I best run, back later

<elkbuntu> i hate it when he does that

<Vorian> lol

<Vorian> that was odd

<elkbuntu> heh

<Vorian> I don't want to be first on the list

<Vorian> elkbuntu, you go

<elkbuntu> eh?

<aleska> VER

<elkbuntu> i havent changed anything, im just coordinating :Þ

<Vorian> ah, ic

<Vorian> OK :P

<elkbuntu> mainly because i've already cat'd my brain into them ;)

<Vorian> hahaha

<aleska> possibly dumb question here (I've got lots of them) is there a Document that describes both use of IRC (how-to) and social protocol of using IRC in LoCo team meetings?

<elkbuntu> !irc

<elkbuntu> wtf.. we have no ubotu?!

<Vorian> lol

<Vorian> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines

* atoponce wrote the irssi howto.... :)

* Vorian highfives atoponce

<atoponce> initially, i should say

<elkbuntu> aleska, the use of irc in meetings should be written applicable to any meetings anyway

*** ChanServ sets mode: -o elkbuntu

<elkbuntu> w00t

<elkbuntu> thanks Seveas

* Vorian highfives Seveas

<ubotu> elkbuntu you are a weird australian person

<elkbuntu> !elkbuntu

<ubotu> elkbuntu is cute

<elkbuntu> a CUTE weird australian person to you, mr ubotu

<Vorian> still scared tthoughhh ~0~

<ubotu> Vorian:BOO!

<Vorian> ah!

* Vorian hides

<aleska> ...so no Robert's Rules of Order, or anything like that...I'm just brainstorming (dumb) ideas for what docs might be helpful from a LoCo team perspective...but without the benefit of having ever participated in an IRC-based LoCo team meeting. Sorry, if my question is generating groans.

<elkbuntu> aleska, it is a fair and appropriate concept, but it is applicable to more than just locos, and hence should be for a broader audience

* atoponce listens to bob dylan, and gets back to work

<xbright> Hi

<Vorian> hi xbright :)

<Vorian> hoe gaat het met u?

<Vorian> !hi | Zizou

<ubotu> Zizou: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-locoteams!

<Zizou> hi everyone

<Vorian> hello :)

<Vorian> !hi | magical_trevsky

<ubotu> magical_trevsky: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-locoteams!

<atoponce> elkbuntu: I have edited thus far: LoCoCreatingForum, LoCoTeamHowto, LoCoComputerFairHowto

<elkbuntu> hmm... how long has flash been installable via the firefox plugin installer thing?

<atoponce> hmmm. can't find anything really to add any further to any existing loco docs

<atoponce> they all look really good

<elkbuntu> i know

<atoponce> maybe some formatting on a few of them to make them a bit more readable, but even then, that's stretching it

<elkbuntu> what about the ones listed under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay

<atoponce> yeah

<elkbuntu> are they all done etc?

<atoponce> i went over all of them, and they all look fine to me

<atoponce> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo

<atoponce> there are some ideas there to create new docs

<elkbuntu> ah right

<elkbuntu> that's probablyt he page i meant

<atoponce> most of those probably need decent discussion first, before starting them, though

<atoponce> dunno

<atoponce> like translating the docs

<atoponce> that could be a big undertaking

<elkbuntu> yeah

<atoponce> i up for discussion on any of them, though

<atoponce> i've got the next 4.5 hours free

<elkbuntu> im surprised rinchen isnt online yet

<atoponce> or nixternal

<elkbuntu> yeah

<atoponce> well, online, but probably not awake ツ

<yann2> MehdiHassanpour > www.ubuntu-eu.org

<Vorian> atoponce> elkbuntu: I have edited thus far: LoCoCreatingForum, LoCoTeamHowto, LoCoComputerFairHowto

<Vorian> add that to the bottom atoponce ---->https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay

<atoponce> ahh

<atoponce> cool

<atoponce> i'll add

<Vorian> :)

<atoponce> added

<Vorian> how 'bout adding mentoring groups to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto page?

<atoponce> good idea

<Vorian> !hi | amachu

<ubotu> amachu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-locoteams!

<amachu> hi

<Vorian> :)

<amachu> Vorian: hi

<atoponce> hold on. gotta take the dogs out

<amachu> hi glad to share with you that we have took part in a GNU/ Linux Demo day event in Chennai

<amachu> Its titled Carte Blache

<n8k99> hi i'm here from ubuntu-ny

<n8k99> we have just formed so there is lots of work being done on our wiki pages

<amachu> n8k99: ny - new york?

<n8k99> amachu: yes

<Vorian> n8k99, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=212 new forum :)

<amachu> n8k99: :)

<vdepizzol> ubuntu-br is here too :)

<n8k99> nice!!

<Vorian> w00t vdepizzol :)

<elkbuntu> hi n8k99, vdepizzol amachu and others. please take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay, and of course the docs for your own teams :)

<amachu> elkbuntu: ok

<n8k99> got to takethe kid ooutside bbl

<elkbuntu> hmm... i should sleep now.. since it is 2am

* atoponce knows what he can work on...

<atoponce> our loco constitution! doh! ツ

<amachu> just over the topic and for evry one's info.. the URL of event where we participated today is http://www.cs-mit.org/cb07, we will be sending a mail on it to the mailing list..

<Vorian> atoponce, for utah?

<atoponce> yeah

<Vorian> !hi | zill

<ubotu> zill: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-locoteams!

<atoponce> Vorian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtahTeam/Constitution

<atoponce> as you can see, it needs some serious work

<Vorian> seems very serious

<atoponce> it's for helping create vision and direction for the group

<vdepizzol> OgMaciel: heya

<OgMaciel> hey vdepizzol ;)

<amachu> http://ubuntu-tam.org/tamil_ubuntu_wiki/index.php

<amachu> is where we have all documentations present

<amachu> :-)

<MehdiHassanpour> Yann2: I saw the new tracking system. good work! ty :)

<Vorian> everyone must be hard at work :)

* atoponce is racking his brain over the team constitution

<yann2> MehdiHassanpour > we're using that tracking system for some monthes, but it got opened just a few days ago :)

<MehdiHassanpour> yann2: good ;)

<MehdiHassanpour> yann2: we need an MX record to setup our mail host

<yann2> i'll give you the key :)

<Vorian> !hi | a1l3n

<ubotu> a1l3n: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-locoteams!

* atoponce awaits Rinched

<atoponce> bah

<atoponce> beat me

<atoponce> s/ed/en/

<Rinchen> you rang?

<Rinchen> :-)

<atoponce> nah. just being a smartass

<Rinchen> ah! Very good lad. :-) Must keep in practise.

<atoponce> btw- what took you so long? hmmmm? it *is* 09:00 after all

<atoponce> :)

<Rinchen> Late night :-)

<atoponce> uhh huh

<Rinchen> Wife wanted to see a movie after we put Timmy to bed.

<atoponce> elkbuntu and i were just discussing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo

<atoponce> not sure if she's still around

<Rinchen> oh...completed forgot we created that page!

<atoponce> does it need to be updated? is there anything still outstanding?

* Rinchen goes to fix the docsday page

<Rinchen> let me have a look...please give me a minute or two

<atoponce> np

<Rinchen> quick look says yes, we need some of those docs. I need to review the good work from earlier today that you and Steve did

<mdke> "how to use the fridge" is not a loco only topic

<mdke> it should be covered on wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge

<mdke> just linking to that page would do the trick

<Rinchen> Yeah, I captured that from November before I was a fridge editor so I can talk some of that now at least

<Rinchen> okey dokey, why run a loco is now covered so I'm going to remove that

<Rinchen> bb in 5...Oksana wants me to have breakfast. :-)

<Vorian> d00t!

<atoponce> http://get.opensolaris.org/

<atoponce> looks like they are building off of the success of ubuntu shipit

* Rinchen is back.

<Vorian> hmmm

<Vorian> wb Rinchen :)

<bordy> I got my first member on launchpad for ubuntu-fl now too!

<Vorian> yay bordy!

<Vorian> woo you even got your loco bot

<Vorian> !

<FunnyLookinHat> sweet bordy !

<bordy> Now all that is missing is a mailing list... and more members.

<atoponce> bordy: nice

<FunnyLookinHat> now all you have to do is declare yourself supreme ruler of ubuntu florida and it's complete!

<Vorian> !hi | Zelut

<ubotu> Zelut: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-locoteams!

* FunnyLookinHat thinks Vorian is lame for using the bot to say hi.... ; )

<atoponce> !bye | Vorian

<Vorian> :(

<atoponce> bummer

<atoponce> :)

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Vorian> atoponce, be careful

<Rinchen> mdke, ping

<Vorian> any unknown commands get piped into -ops

<FunnyLookinHat> well then maybe they should make it!

<Vorian> haha

<atoponce> FunnyLookinHat: exactly

<Vorian> ok, I get the hint

<FunnyLookinHat> don't mess with us Utah/Colorado folk... we play for keeps.

<atoponce> lol

<FunnyLookinHat> LOL

<FunnyLookinHat> !bye | Vorian

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<FunnyLookinHat> what the? I could have swore that makes him leave...

<Vorian> /cs l Fujitsu

<Vorian> oops

<Vorian> sorry Fujitsu

<FunnyLookinHat> he's trying to DDoS you!

<Vorian> /cs l FunnyLookinHat

<FunnyLookinHat> lol

<atoponce> Rinchen: so, all caught up for the day?

<Rinchen> not yet... making changes to each of the todo items as I research what's been done

<atoponce> ok. i just need some guidance on this day

<atoponce> i can see that there are docs to write, but i don't want to create them without knowing the full scope

<Rinchen> Still working through them but you can see my updates at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo

<Zelut> FunnyLookinHat: we do?

<FunnyLookinHat> Zelut, we do what?

<atoponce> play for keeps, i think

<Vorian> thats what she said

<FunnyLookinHat> Oh, yes, we do.

<FunnyLookinHat> definitely.

<Zelut> FunnyLookinHat: yeah, playing for keeps..

<FunnyLookinHat> Ubunteros and Ubuntu Members play for keeps... for sho.

<FunnyLookinHat> we are hardcore.

<Vorian> wtf?

* atoponce feels like Rinchen is the only one brainstorming

<FunnyLookinHat> +1

<Rinchen> :-)

* Zelut turns on some White & Nerdy in celebration of his geek-hard-cored-ness.

<Rinchen> Just made more changes and added one to the next LoCo meeting

* FunnyLookinHat pats Zelut on the back for a job well done.

<FunnyLookinHat> !congratulate | Zelut

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about congratulate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Rinchen> I'm looking at the $ item and I remember Mark VDB working on one but I don't see it linked.

<Vorian> !botabuse | FunnyLookinHat

<ubotu> FunnyLookinHat: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...

<Vorian> lol

<FunnyLookinHat> LOL

<FunnyLookinHat> /tell ubotu but atoponce started it!!

<Rinchen> (found the money item)

<Zelut> FunnyLookinHat: looks like the bot plays for keeps too

<FunnyLookinHat> (This really should go in -offtopic ... I feel so counterproductive right now)

<FunnyLookinHat> Zelut, so true.

* Rinchen notices we have an LoCo FAQ, How-To, and Knowledge base. eh?

<atoponce> ?

<atoponce> links?

<FunnyLookinHat> Redundancy is key to making a poor wiki.

<Vorian> to all contributors....

<Rinchen> If you look at the loco header, you'll see all 3

<Vorian> jono wants a list of things we work on today

<Vorian> on the bottom of

<Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay

<Rinchen> I see redundancy to some level between the how-to and the knowledge base but I haven't decided if this is a bad thing or not. :-)

<atoponce> hmmm

<atoponce> i'm looking over all 3, and i really don't see the redundancy

<Vorian> knowledge base could be renamed LoCo reference.

<atoponce> they all have their different points and audiences

<Rinchen> ooh found another one mostly done

<Rinchen> Vorian, the thing that has me wondering is the intent behind how-to vs KB

<Rinchen> I think the How-to was originally designed as "how to setup a team"

<Rinchen> i.e. the first 6 months

<Vorian> Rinchen, what is KB?

<Rinchen> and KB was for all of our extra goodies to go

<Rinchen> KB = Knowledge Base

<Vorian> ah,

<FunnyLookinHat> Knowledge Base

<atoponce> the kb looks to me like it should be more of a sitemap for all things loco on the wiki

<Vorian> duh

<Vorian> kb is more like useful links....

<Vorian> hence a reference

<atoponce> yeah

<Vorian> or quick links

<zed> yann2 ?

<Rinchen> I need opinions on a topic. The todo - "Methods to interact with local educational facilities and communities to assist with Richard's educational outreach program with the LoCos."

<Rinchen> We have this linked in the KB already and it links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamEducation

<atoponce> richard as in nixternal ?

<atoponce> i am unfamiliar with the educational outreach program

<mdke> Rinchen: email would be better, I'm going out

<Vorian> Rinchen, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/EducationTeam

<Rinchen> What seems to be missing is how "my" loco interacts with these local facilities. Should that team deal with the issue and build the docs? at the moment I am thinking it should

<Rinchen> mdke, no worries. Have a good dinner.

<Rinchen> The todo comment was written prior to anything formal being developed by the Education Team.

<Rinchen> So question: Any heartburn if we call that todo done?

<Vorian> Rinchen, nope

<atoponce> nay

<Vorian> notice i did not !hi this person ^

<FunnyLookinHat> good job!

<Vorian> hi kjcole :)

* Zelut staples a sign to Vorian's forehead that reads: "Bot Abuser"

<Vorian> pfft

<kjcole> Hi Vorian

<Vorian> how are things?

<kjcole> Busy. Got back from a week at PyCon and have much to catch up with.

<Vorian> have fun :)

<Rinchen> ooh, found some other goodies on the docs day item....

<kjcole> Oops gotta run to another channel

<Vorian> bbl

<Rinchen> ok, the todo list has been updated

* Rinchen needs to run the Colorado IRC meeting.

<Rinchen> er run to the.

<Rinchen> for those just idling, please see if you can help us out a bit at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo

<Rinchen> or refine the existing material listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay

<Vorian> wow! 55 people :)

* Zelut cracks the whip at Vorian along with a hearty "Get Back To Work!"

<Zelut> ...we play for keeps around here. Don't you forget ite.

<Zelut> *it.

* Vorian repents

<Zelut> ok, I think I'm awake now :)

<Vorian> yay!

<Zelut> I'm very surprised at how completely stable Feisty Herd releases have been since 2.

<Zelut> I've been on 3, 4 & 5 on production now with no trouble.

<Vorian> me too :)

<Zelut> actually more stable than Edgy. I realize now that Edgy has some trouble

<Vorian> i did a full install after the .11 kernel upgrade debacle

<Zelut> is that what gives me problems with my mouse?

<Vorian> getting evil eyes from my wife

<Vorian> Zelut, 3rd party drivers?

<Zelut> just a regular old mouse. If I leave it plugged in during boot the machine locks at login.

<boredandblogging> hello everyone

<Vorian> hmm

<Zelut> worked fine in dapper, works fine in Feisty

<Vorian> hey boredandblogging :)

<Vorian> I'll have to check the non-lappy :)

<boredandblogging> Vorian, you are a trooper, you were up late and here you are

<Vorian> boredandblogging, yep, and Zelut is giving me a hard time for not working :P

<Vorian> still getting evil eyes from my wife :O

<Vorian> gots to go

<nixternal> good morning!

<boredandblogging> hi

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<Rinchen> nixternal, did you just wake up? ;-)

<nixternal> heh, kinda

<Rinchen> excellent :-)

<nixternal> yes, it was well needed

* Admiral_Chicago waves

<Admiral_Chicago> so I noticed we got ~5 people already for Illinois

<nixternal> now I need to complete some sysdoc work, 5 more days until string freeze

<nixternal> we have way more than 5

<nixternal> mr. Lee is annoying. I need to set him straight in an email it seems

<nixternal> he thinks we are going to have Ubuntu-Illinois meetings in Chicago

<Admiral_Chicago> he's...old and probably confused

<nixternal> if he would have read, and not skimmed, my emails. He would see that the plan is to eventually turn it over to someone in the center of the state

<nixternal> hahahahahahaha

<nixternal> that was mean

<nixternal> Rinchen is old, so be careful ;p

* Admiral_Chicago ducks & apologizes

<Admiral_Chicago> maybe because -illinois is part of chicago LP page.

<Admiral_Chicago> or way, no. the other way around. not sure.

<Rinchen> eh? speak up I can't hear you.

<Admiral_Chicago> lol

<boredandblogging> if we do something on the ToDo list, should we remove it from the list or just add a comment that its been done. I added LUG/SIG question to the FAQ.

<Admiral_Chicago> boredandblogging: i'd say, leave a ##Comment at the top to show what you edited

<Admiral_Chicago> or to indicate that you feel its done

<Admiral_Chicago> but don't delete it.

<Admiral_Chicago> wait, no

<Admiral_Chicago> ignore me.

* Admiral_Chicago runs to lunch

<Rinchen> boredandblogging, yes please put it on the main docs day site. You'll note I've researched that and found it done so add it above my comments

<boredandblogging> thanks

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<Rinchen> boredandblogging, perfect.

<boredandblogging> are there other changes to be made besides the stuff on the todo list? I don't much about the rest of it.

<Rinchen> General enhancements on the DocsDay materials

<Rinchen> i.e. read through it and if you find a place to finish unfinished work or expand an existing section, have at it

<boredandblogging> got it

<Rinchen> nixternal, are you going to be available to work on docs day?

* Rinchen needs to take an hour break.

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<boredandblogging> are we supposed to use the term LoCoTeams instead of LoCos?

<boredandblogging> also, is there standard naming convention for the forums URL? The team HowTo says it should be ubuntu-<state>.ubuntuforums.org, but ours was created as georgia.ubuntuforums.org recently.

<Zelut> I think we've decided on state.ubuntuforums.org

<Zelut> and state.ubuntu-us.org for sites

<boredandblogging> ok, I'll change the wiki

<bordy> how're things, people?

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<Rinchen> I think nixternal ran away

<LordFox-ve> buenas ...

<nixternal> I always run away

<LordFox-ve> alguien que le pueda hacer una consulta sobre Ubuntu server y Webmin ?

<LordFox-ve> hello ?

<nixternal> hiya LordFox-ve

<LordFox-ve> can ... help me with my Ubuntu server setup an webmin ???

<Vorian> d00t

<Zelut> Vorian: welcome back

<Vorian> :)

<Vorian> any major discoveries?

<boredandblogging> alright, gave some structure to LoCoRunningInstallfests , thinking about doing the same to LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups.

<Vorian> boredandblogging, great!

<Vorian> quiet.......

<boredandblogging> yes it is

<boredandblogging> whats the turn out usually for the doc days?

<Vorian> 500-600 people

<Vorian> :)

<Vorian> j/k

<boredandblogging> heh

<boredandblogging> ok, gave LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups some structure as well

* Zelut nominates boredandblogging as VIP of the Docs Day.

<boredandblogging> haha

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