<AndrewWilliams> argh, why the hell wont this edgy upgrade work :(
<AndrewWilliams> got a laptop with 6.06, added the edgy install cdrom as a apt source, update and dist-upgrade and...nothing, no packages
<DaveMorris> I hate organisations that don't secure there mail servers!
<DaveMorris> of course they are good when said orgainzation takes 4 weeks to open a port
<DaveMorris> and you wanna be able to send emails out
<richj23> hi
<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Stinkpad update <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/135960.html>
<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: update <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/136293.html>
<root_> hey i really need help ive confingured x server wrong and i can't boot ubuntu plz anyhelp
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<LoudMouthMan> my gods, you cant all be up and online at this time of day.
<LoudMouthMan> Here I site alone , surrounded by the absent prescense of my peers.
<LoudMouthMan> bugger first line and I screwed it up.
<stdin> how many gods do you have then?
<LoudMouthMan> Do you suppose late at night when were all asleep our clients chat amonsgt themselves ?
<LoudMouthMan> stdin. a few, it helps to keep some on your side.
<stdin> I only pray to the linux gods, so my server doesn't crash
<stdin> it's worked so far
<LoudMouthMan> yeah but wouldnt it be better to pray to seagate or samsung they made the disc after all .but thats good to hear.
<stdin> maybe, but the linux gods rule over the other, smaller, gods :P
<LoudMouthMan> it is amazing to me though how many nicks just stay connected and absent through either ease of use or visible presense requirements .
<LoudMouthMan> so whats go stdin up this early
<stdin> I've been installing Mac OSX for the last 5 hours, in pearpc (mac emulator) :P
<LoudMouthMan> why the heck ! no , dont answer <Grin> . so um okay ..... me i got up at 5 to goto a 6 oclock meeting . so I cant really comment.
<stdin> I didn't think it would take so long, but it did, so I'll just have a nap bedore work, which doesn't start until 11:30 anyway
<LoudMouthMan> rigth well im off for a shower and then to this meeting .
<LoudMouthMan> laters
<stdin> later :)
<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Wikipedia bullshitters <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/136482.html>
<popey> wooooot
<popey> back to #1 on launchpad \o/
<popey> yay
<GazzaK> really
<GazzaK> woooo
<GazzaK> that did not take you long
<popey> we were very close for a while
<popey> so wont be surprised if we swap about again
<mrben> morning all
<popey> yo
<ubot3> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: petitions <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/136775.html>
<jayteeuk> Morning all.
<popey> hello
<GazzaK> moooo
<jayteeuk> Baa.
<jayteeuk> Did you get your stickers?
<GazzaK> nope :'(
<jayteeuk> Bah, Royal Mail are a waste of space.
<GazzaK> what address did you send them to? No 5 or SRML
<jayteeuk> Whichever one you gave me.
<jayteeuk> No 5 I think.
<GazzaK> any markings on the envelope, i'll ask me partner who is bunking off work today
<jayteeuk> Maybe they've been stopped by the drugs squad. :)
<GazzaK> arghhh
<GazzaK> not again
<jayteeuk> Thinking they're acid tabs.
<GazzaK> damn victimisation, how can I run a postal drugs company with them harrassing me
<jayteeuk> The envelope's got my address stamped on the back.
<jayteeuk> And www.wyrddreams.com
<GazzaK> which starts with?
<GazzaK> ahh
<jayteeuk> That's probably give it away. :)
<GazzaK> it's at home :p
<GazzaK> wooooo
<jayteeuk> It arrived?
<GazzaK> no little love notes though? :'( jayteeuk you upset me
<GazzaK> "Yes, there's an envelope which contains nothing except for 2 ubuntu stickers"
<jayteeuk> I did put one in, then took it out again.
<jayteeuk> I didn't want to cause you trouble at home.
<GazzaK> thats nice of you
<jayteeuk> I also put SWANK on the back of the first envelope.
<jayteeuk> Then changed my mind for the same reason.
<GazzaK> boring
<GazzaK> tom would have found that amusing
<jayteeuk> I couldn't take that chance.
<GazzaK> why not, we could have had a party or something
<jayteeuk> I don't want to be known as a relationship wrecker.
<jayteeuk> Not again.
<GazzaK> not again - owww
<jayteeuk> Exactly.
<jayteeuk> Wow, that web site's never had so much traffic.
<jayteeuk> That's four requests in a couple of minutes!
<daviey> make it 5 ;)
<GazzaK> what website?
<jayteeuk> I will fix it, I promise.
<jayteeuk> It's so... 1999. :)
<jayteeuk> GazzaK: See above (or back of envelope)
<GazzaK> ahh, that dodgy site
<daviey> advertise it as a dogy site;
<jayteeuk> Woof.
<GazzaK> jayteeuk, your pic no work
<jayteeuk> Which one?
<GazzaK> http://www.wyrddreams.com/img/jtait.jpg
<GazzaK> I want a refund
<jayteeuk> Oh yeah. Done.
<jayteeuk> The refund, that is.
<jayteeuk> Not the pic.
<GazzaK> I want the pic!!! now!!!
<GazzaK> make it work
<GazzaK> and your webcam is pointed at your crotch for some unknown reason?
<GazzaK> and is a few years outta date
<jayteeuk> The whole site's a few years out of date.
<jayteeuk> Image is fixed.
<jayteeuk> Webcam isn't and won't be. :)
<GazzaK> OMG goaty
<GazzaK> :p
<jayteeuk> That's me that is.
<daviey> jayteeuk, nice - can i make a 'wake a jayteeuk' out of the pic?
<jayteeuk> Make a what?
<daviey> 'wake a mole' game
<popey> Whack a mole!
<popey> great game on the ds
<jayteeuk> Ah, whack!
<daviey> sorry,
<daviey> for some reason i though the mole needed waking up.
<daviey> :P
<JohnRobert> where can I get ubuntu stickers?
<JohnRobert> anyone noticed how buggy x-chat-gnome is?
<jayteeuk> JohnRobert: Linux Emporium for stickers.
<jayteeuk> http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu_stickers/
<daviey> JohnRobert, the only gripe i have; is not being able to properly reconnect after a disconnection
* popey notes the ubuntu-uk.org and planet.ubuntu-uk.org don't actually get a tremendous number of hits
<popey> this is unsurprising
<GazzaK> they are tiny pages popey
<popey> yes
* popey creates a link to them
<popey> to help
<JohnRobert> ubuntu-uk.org has a link to an actual site
<JohnRobert> :p
<JohnRobert> do you know where I can get the fancy metalic ubuntu stickers?
<JohnRobert> or a huge one for my laptop lid?
* popey has some
<popey> stick on his laptop :)
<daviey> my laptop has an oem space for a logo about 1.8" x 3/3"
<daviey> thats 1/3"
<jayteeuk> I wouldn't mind a fancy metallic one.
<jayteeuk> It'd go better with the other metallic ones on my lappy.
<jayteeuk> "Designed for Microsoft Windows XP, Windows XP x64 Edition" "powered by Ubuntu"
<JohnRobert> heh, that went on the wall at work next to me a long time ago
<JohnRobert> should have just moved it to the bin
<JohnRobert> I still have intel inside celeron m sticker though
<jayteeuk> Well I have to say I'm quite impressed with Feisty so far.
<neuro_> i'm not impressed
<neuro_> i can't get it installed here
<neuro_> then again, if i had downloaded an iso, burned it to cd, put it in a machine, installed ... ;)
<jayteeuk> Ah. :)
<dsas> feistys kernel breaks my wifi card :( I'm on an edgy-feisty frankenstein
<jayteeuk> dsas: Funny, it fixes mine. :)
<jayteeuk> What's your card?
<dsas> jayteeuk: Compaq W200 (orinoco_usb)
<jayteeuk> Broadcom bcm43xx here.
<daviey> dsas, did it break as soon as you went with 2.60.20? Or a certain update?
<jayteeuk> Actually, the card could work under Edgy, but only with the irqpoll option.
<daviey> is orinoco_usb FOSS?
<dsas> daviey: 2.6.19 broke it I think. it's an unsupported driver and doesn't compile anymore
<jayteeuk> Ack. :(
<daviey> dsas, is there a bug for it?
<dsas> daviey: Yeah, it's not merged into the kernel mainline and ubuntu has never carried it though.
<daviey> "the orinoco_usb developer, Manuel Estrada Sainz (ranty@debian.org) died in a car crash in 2004 and no-one's worked on it since."
<daviey> :(
<dsas> pretty much...It's had the odd bit of work since but nothing major.
* jayteeuk wonders how much work would be involved in reviving it.
* popey changes the theme on popey.com, comments welcome http://popey.com/
<GazzaK> lunch!
<GazzaK> popey, nice
<popey> ta :)
<dsas> jayteeuk: *shrug*. One of the kernel functions have changed the number of parameters it takes or something. I haven't got time to learn about kernel hacking at the mo and my C skills are wobbly.
<jayteeuk> I quite enjoyed my kernel hacking experiment... I might take a look at some point.
<jayteeuk> But first I've got a lot of loose ends to tie up.
<Seeker`> lo
<Seeker`> if I am running a program such as skype
<Seeker`> and want to play an audio file to the other person
<Seeker`> how would i go about it?
<Seeker`> popey: good theme
<daviey> Seeker`, not use skype? hehe
<daviey> There are various applications on windows for this; but not heard of any on linux
<brush01uk> hI Popey,hope you are well, can you offer any info on Broadband,who to use,my little giril will be moving into a new flat,was hoping to use Virgin,they do not cover her area,any help please? Barry
<daviey> Seeker`, The only way i can think of is to make a fake sound device
<dsas> jayteeuk: what was it you hacked on?
<jayteeuk> dsas: I was trying to fix the things that got fixed in Feisty anyway. :)
<dsas> jayteeuk: Ah, all good fun though I expect.
<jayteeuk> But it was fun poking around -- quite an insight.
* dsas drove near jayteeuks house yesterday
<Seeker`> I was wondering if it were possible to pipe the sound to a device
<jayteeuk> I told my wife that they other day -- she said "So you just wasted a lot of time then?"
<gord> sound devices are either input or output Seeker`, read or write and never shall the two combine ;)
<jayteeuk> dsas: Really? What were you doing in this neck of the woods?
<dsas> jayteeuk: Well, I've came home (Chesterfield) from uni (Stafford) for the weekend.
<jayteeuk> Did you go up the A38?
<dsas> jayteeuk: yep
<jayteeuk> You could have dropped in for a cuppa. :)
<dsas> I only just found out you lived in Derby by looking at your blog.
<jayteeuk> My blog? Do I link to that?
<dsas> google does.
* dsas stalks
<jayteeuk> Ah, that's OK then. :)
<dsas> I came across your blog before while googling for something ubuntu related (no idea what now) and thought I remembered you talking about kernel stuff on there. So I just went and looked again.
<jayteeuk> I should blog more.
<daviey> I would blog, but i'm afraid somebody would read it
<dsas> I should blog more too, it's just I never get round to blogging things until ages after, and then it seems pointless.
<jayteeuk> dsas: Same here.
<jayteeuk> I don't mind people reading my blog, although I'm a bit coy about it.
<dsas> jayteeuk: You should add it to the planet :p
<jayteeuk> dsas: I need to get membership first. :)
<dsas> jayteeuk: not for the ubuntu-uk planet
<jayteeuk> Oh? Hmmm....
<jayteeuk> No, I think I'll wait until I've got my website sorted out, then I'll blog Ubuntu-related stuff there and personal life stuff on LJ.
<popey> hi brush01uk
<popey> brush01uk: I would recommend ukfsn - http://ukfsn.org/
<popey> I am with them
<brush01uk> Thankyou Popey
<popey> will she be using windows or linux?
<popey> with ukfsn I paid 20 pounds a month for up to 8 Mb broadband
<brush01uk> I wish Linux, sorry I can not convert her over from xp pro
<popey> heh
<popey> its okay, you can use windows with ukfsn, they are just linux friendly
<brush01uk> ok great back in a mo on phone :-)
<daviey> Why is hosting so expensive? £50+/year!
<brush01uk> ok I will have another try this afternoon
<popey> daviey: you are looking for a hosting provider?
<brush01uk> Hi Popey again,Thankyou for your time & help
<daviey> Well, considering it
<popey> a physical server, virtual server or you want to co-lo your own box?
<popey> no probs brush01uk
<brush01uk> I will again explain all the great things about Linux & the great people
<popey> :)
<daviey> i would like to have my own dedicate server that i can go and kick in a local datacentre; not likely tho eh?
<brush01uk> on Ubuntu
<popey> of course you can daviey, but not for 50 quid a year
<brush01uk> where we are one big family
<popey> \o/ group hug!
<brush01uk> true,catch you all later
<brush01uk> Thankyou
<popey> daviey: you are looking at more like 50 quid a month for co-lo of your own host
<brush01uk> bye
<popey> bye brush01uk
<popey> daviey: what do you want to use it for?
<popey> would a virtual server not be suitable?
<daviey> i think it would.
<popey> well, I would like to recommend you talk to Bitfolk - that's who my virtual server (vps) is with
<gord> if its running though xen is it really a virtual server?
<popey> it is running through xen, yes
<gord> but is it really virtual if its though xen? its devices are emulated so they are virtual but its run nativity.. trapped between life and un-life
<daviey> What does a pay host provide that a free one doesn't?
<popey> er
<popey> find me a free vps
<popey> likely you wont get much space, memory, control, ssh access
<daviey> what about http://www.110mb.com/plans.php
<gord> if something happens then you can phone them up n they'll fix it, if som't happens on a free one your in a mess
<daviey> true
<popey> you will also be along with many other people on one server
<popey> pay-for services limit how many virtual servers they put on one physical host
<daviey> i wish i wasn't such a cheap-ass
<popey> no ssh access with 110mb
<gord> ooo fun, gnome RC
<gord> ugh.. is it one of those awful web based systems that make you want to tear your eyes out?
<daviey> oh no!
<popey> sendmail! ICK!
<popey> web features "shockwave and flash" WTF?
<cinex> 'lo
<gord> afternoon'
* daviey has ran out of biscuits :(
* jayteeuk just had his Ubuntu time severely reduced. :(
<DaveMorris> how come?
<jayteeuk> Seems I'm spending too much time on it.
<jayteeuk> Wifey's not happy. I thought we had an agreement but I misunderstood.
<jayteeuk> So now I'm limited to two nights a week, which is still better than nothing.
<daviey> jayteeuk, i got a laptop for the same reason. Then i could do 'family time' infront of the tv. Not fully successful - but better
<jayteeuk> I have a laptop, and only sit down in front of it after everyone else has gone to bed -- to I still do family time in the evenings first.
<jayteeuk> And if the boys don't settle I stay with them, and if Wifey wants to stay up a bit later than usual I stay up with her.
<jayteeuk> It'd be intresting to know how others balance their family situation and Ubuntu though.
<jayteeuk> I can't type for toffee today. :)
<popey> heh
<popey> I spend most evenings in front of the pc
<popey> which is in the den, not the lounge
<popey> so most nights I am not sat with the wife
<popey> i should run ethernet to the lounge or maybe setup wireless :)
<DaveMorris> I've only got a fiancee so far, spend time on PC whilst she's watching crap on TV
<gord> set up a monitor in the lounge that has a webcam of you in the den
<popey> heh
<daviey> Yes! It will increase your house value aswell to have it fully networked. ;)
<popey> we have a TV in the Den but its not as cosy in the den as it is in the lounge
<popey> and the PVR is in the lounge
<daviey> My lounge is networked for that reason
<popey> lounge is some distance from den
<popey> opposite ends of the house
<popey> so it's not trivial to cable up
<daviey> i wanted to put the cat5 inside the cavity but in the end i found it easier to hide it within the guttering
<DaveMorris> my cat 5 goes around the edge of the rooms
<popey> DaveMorris: what about doors?
<popey> this has to go through 3 doors to get to the lounge
<DaveMorris> but when I buy a house I'm gonna look at that skirting board truncking
<DaveMorris> popey: Goes under the hinge side, so it pinches a bit but has survived 2 years
<gord> if I had had better success with wireless stuff id make everything I have wireless and get rid of all the wires that are duct-taped to the ceiling/walls/under the carpet
<DaveMorris> I have 2 doors between bedroom and lounge in the flat
<cinex> what exactly is a den ?
<popey> is there special thin cat 5
<popey> cinex: a room
<gord> dragons live in there and judge your inventions cinex
<cinex> lol
<cinex> it used to be some chairs with a blanket over them
<popey> hehe
<jayteeuk> Or a blanket over the clothes line.
<popey> clothes horse in our house
<daviey> I tried to drill through the ceiling, but lost my nerve after making a big hole.
<cinex> the best was a hoel in the ground covered in vardboard
<cinex> cardboard
<jayteeuk> Ah yes.
<DaveMorris> popey, you could get cat 5 cables and pull 1/2 the wires out
<popey> hehe
<popey> that would be somewhat painful
<jayteeuk> I ran my cat5 down the trunking alongside the central heating pipes.
<jayteeuk> And under the floorboards.
<popey> the other option is ethernet over power
<DaveMorris> at my rents house, I took it out one wall, up the side of the house, in through the eves, arcoss the loft, out the other side and into my room
<popey> cheaper/easier for me to just go wifi
<DaveMorris> if it will work around your house
<daviey> Also for a distributed PVR you need a rock solid connection; thats why i chose ethernet. Also i didn't trust wifi (still don't - but i use vpn+wpa)
<DaveMorris> + ssh?
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* GazzaK bashes laptop, damn you
<popey> daviey: I have a normal pvr, not a pc based one
<daviey> so you do
* GazzaK misses sky one
<GazzaK> @pity 10 Virgin & Sky
<daviey> Did you see the final transmission and the ticker message?
<GazzaK> nope
<GazzaK> what was it
<daviey> xxx "Sky have taken their ball and gone home" xxx
<gord> theres nothin good on sky anyway, just rubbishy new simpsons and annoying lost
<popey> and adverts for other sky services
<daviey> i agree; i'm happy with freeview and downloaded content
<jayteeuk> Yeah, I saw that daviey. :)
<gord> with the advent of freeview theres not much point in sky digital these days, we only keep it for sky sports
<daviey> I suppose sky/ntl for HD - but that's a minority - and eventually freeview will become HD
<daviey> gord, what do you watch SkySports for? The International Kernel Compiling Race?
<gord> freeview won't be HD, there's not enough bandwidth really, that's why the BBC is reviewing having a satellite signal
<daviey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/11_november/21/hd.shtml
<JohnRobert> cool
<JohnRobert> new freeview box :(
<popey> not if your freeview box is a pc
<gord> thats just a trial with some people saying they expect it daviey
<daviey> That was inevitable. AFAIK the US use mpeg2 for DTV - we will use mpeg4, making more space
<popey> the US use mpeg2 because its cheaper AIUI
<JohnRobert> actually none of this matters to me as I'll be in australia
<JohnRobert> I've no idea what tv is like over there...all foxtel and stuff
<daviey> Neighbours
<JohnRobert> although they've had HD for more than 2 years I think
<JohnRobert> popey: what's that gnome program for viewing webcam?
<JohnRobert> camorama!
<popey> camstream
<popey> webcam
<popey> motion
<JohnRobert> hmmmm
<JohnRobert> this quickcam express 2 also seems to suffer strange hue issues
<JohnRobert> this driver must be shit
<JohnRobert> [14944.164440] drivers/media/video/spca5xx/spca5xx-main.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found.Logitech QuickCam Express II(SPCA561A)
<JohnRobert> ah no
<JohnRobert> it was just camorama
<JohnRobert> cool
<JohnRobert> that's rather cool
<JohnRobert> 30fps
<JohnRobert> lol, only 30fps with a small image
<JohnRobert> other than that, not too bad :D
<JohnRobert> for a tenner
<gord> you realise that tv is only broadcast at 24fps? 30fps is fine
<JohnRobert> yes, but isn't that interlaced?
<popey> no, it's 50 interlaced, thus 25 ish
<gord> technically pal runs at 50fps interlaced which drops down to 25fps when the full image is made
<JohnRobert> can HD run at a higher framerate?
<popey> its 50
<popey> non-interlaced AIUI
<popey> except 1080i which is of course :)
<gord> I still can't beleve they kept interlacing in the hd standard... sure we needed it in the 60s but not now >_<
<JohnRobert> yes, that is a bit odd
<popey> but only for 1080i, there is of course 1080p
<popey> and 720p, 420p (bleh_
<JohnRobert> progscan?
<popey> yes
<JohnRobert> elite
<popey> p == progressive scan
<JohnRobert> popey: do you do any webcam conversation things?
<popey> no
<JohnRobert> damn
<popey> well, i have done
<JohnRobert> from linux to a windows user?
<popey> yes
<popey> gnomemeeting <-> netmeeting iirc
<JohnRobert> may I ask what software your windows user was using
<JohnRobert> ahhhh
<JohnRobert> of course
<JohnRobert> you can't get netmeeting any more can you?
<popey> why?
<JohnRobert> Windows XP is the last version of Microsoft Windows to include NetMeeting.
<JohnRobert> ah
<JohnRobert> that's not so bad
<cinex> whats it replaced wth?
<JohnRobert> nothing.
<JohnRobert> msn I guess?
<JohnRobert> 28,800 bps or faster modem, integrated services digital network (ISDN), or local area network (LAN) connection (a fast Internet connection works best).
<JohnRobert> lol
<JohnRobert> it's quite old :)
<popey> windows live messenger
<JohnRobert> hmm
<JohnRobert> this doesn'r seem to work
<JohnRobert> :/
<daviey> webcam - msn messanger and amsn or yahoo messanger and a one that i can't remember the name of
* jayteeuk is addicted to sea salt and cracked black pepper kettle chips.
<daviey> kettle chips -yuk. They sare stale
<daviey> s/sare/are - bloody laptop
<jayteeuk> Maybe where you get them from....
<gord> all addictions are wrong apart from coffee, fig biscuits and those biscuits that are like two biscuits but put together in the middle.. cream som't ones
<jayteeuk> Custard Creams?
<gord> thats the one!
<gord> can't have those, I buy a packet and eat it in bout 10 mins, then spend all week buying more and more
<jayteeuk> I've gone right off those.
<jayteeuk> I haven't had fig biscuits for years.
<jayteeuk> And I probably haven't had a day without coffee for years either. :)
<gord> I had a few days without coffee once and got headaches like you wouldn't believe which just adds to the fact that coffee is one of the three essential food groups (along with the chocolicious and toast)
<jayteeuk> Chocolate is essential. :)
<ubot3`> New news from planetuk: Jono Bacon: So close <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=911> || Adam McMaster: FSF: The road to hardware free from restrictions <http://moosoft.net/text/fsf-free-hardware/>
<popey> \o/ planet still works then :)
<popey> Proudly hosted by popey.com :)
<apokryphos> popey: do you host u-u.o too?
<popey> yes
<popey> as of about 10pm last night :)
<apokryphos> cool
<apokryphos> where was it hosted before?
<popey> some guy in germany I think
<jayteeuk> Oh the irony. :)
<daviey> Anybody heard any update on x.org 7.2?
<stdin> feisty has 7.2
<gord> wish xorg had a good support for my graphics card... it won't cos its old but dang it, I don't want to spend money on a new one >:(
<gord> or at least fixed the low resolution bug Im having
<popey> what card?
<gord> rage 128 pro, r128 driver. low resolution timings broke (although I guess it could be the monitor driver) with xorg 7
<daviey> stdin, doesn't seem to have fglrx drivers built yet - for xorg7.2
<stdin> daviey: no, you gave to wait for AIT to make a driver for it
<daviey> yeah, i tried to build it manually, and they haven't added feisty yet as an option
<loudmouthman> hey mr popey your in hampshire, have you heard of redstation ?
<popey> yes
<loudmouthman> do you fancy going round there and beating them with a clue stick ?
<loudmouthman> they host a clients web page but dont autorenew the hosting each year ( which is what we discussed ! ) so client page expires and with it al lthe propriatary cms stuff they had hosted.
<Norf-ubu> g'day
<popey> eek
<Norf-ubu> that good eh
<popey> heh
<loudmouthman> ironic I feel that id advised against custom CMS systems when drupal/wordpress and joomambola were around at the time.
<loudmouthman> now the consultant who set it up is not available and their website is down !
<popey> \o/ drupal
<popey> changed the theme on popey.com today
<loudmouthman> hehe yeah yeah Id adviced Drupal last year .
<Norf-ubu> how many hits now
<popey> over 30000 on that single story
<Norf-ubu> geeees - i know holding F5 would help <grins>
<popey> :)
<Norf-ubu> well done - pats on backs
<Norf-ubu> this made me chuckle - http://polishlinux.org/reviews/sudo/sandwich.png
<GazzaK> arghhh, I wanna go Australia http://www.bom.gov.au/
<jayteeuk> \o/ Two weeks till South Africa.
<AndrewB> Who maintains the planet blog?
<chrisbudden14> alright GazzaK how are you?
<GazzaK> I'm okay, just took the hard top off me car, and then noticed the weather is due to turn horrid
<GazzaK> and a mate who is moving to AU goes and shows me that website above, which shows lovely weather out there
<GazzaK> arghhh
<GazzaK> is 4pm too early to run away? (I am supposed to work till 4.30pm on fridays)
<daviey> it's POETS day
<jayteeuk> I'm tempted.
<jayteeuk> Sooooo tempted.
<jayteeuk> But I have stuff to finish.
<GazzaK> jayteeuk, thanks for the stickers, they look nice on my lappy and Toms lappy :-)
<jayteeuk> GazzaK: No worries. Give me a bell next time you're in Derby and we'll go out for a pint or something.
<daviey> Where did you get the stickers?
<jayteeuk> Linux Emporium.
<daviey> ahh, SAE thingy?
* popey doesnt finish till 6pm
<jayteeuk> http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu_stickers/
<jayteeuk> That's the one.
<GazzaK> popey, :p
* GazzaK just had call from boss, yay, hometime :p
<chrisbudden14> i have a nice relaxing friday
<chrisbudden14> my lectures finish at 1
<popey> \o/
<jayteeuk> \o/ I just got my hacking rights back!
<popey> heh
<jayteeuk> I appealed at the court of the wife and won!
<jayteeuk> I think she was just annoyed that I woke her last night with the noise of my computers.
<popey> heh
<popey> my den is the furthest room from the bedroom that you can get
<jayteeuk> That'd probably work better.
<popey> although
<popey> we are considering when baby2 is older, giving him our bedroom, turning the downstairs den into our bedroom, and using his small bedroom as my new den/office
<popey> which would mean i would have to be quiet upstairs at night
<jayteeuk> I do currently occupy the smallest room in the house, it's just unfortunate that it's directly attached to our bedroom.
<popey> what noise do you make? fans whirring, beeping of reboots?
<popey> or do you use an IBM model M keyboard (the clacky ones)
<jayteeuk> Fans mostly
<jayteeuk> Occasional beeps.
<jayteeuk> And really noisy hard drives.
<popey> i stood firm when we moved in that i was going to have a den
<popey> there was to be no arguing
<popey> she has all the other rooms in the house, I have this one
<jayteeuk> Odd that, I was the same.
<popey> an argument which has been smashed to bits as "no, WE have all the rooms in the house YOU have that one"
<jayteeuk> And it was me moving into her house. :)
<popey> heh
<jayteeuk> It started as one computer on one desk in the back bedroom.
<jayteeuk> And a load of bits.
<popey> I shall probably have a strategic quiet night on the sofa with her tonight
<popey> she wants curry
<popey> \o/
<popey> curry night
<jayteeuk> Chinese night for us.
<popey> \o/ chinky!
<popey> I love chinese food
<jayteeuk> We had a strategic curry last week to help kill the cold.
<popey> heh
* popey had a nice curry at FOSDEM in Brusseles last weekend
<popey> was very nice
<popey> chili chicken marsala
<popey> yumm
<jayteeuk> Wow, you mean it's not just a British thing? :)
<jayteeuk> I thought the Belgians would eat similar stuff to the French.
<jayteeuk> Mind you, it's over 25 years since I went to Belgium.
<popey> this was a lovely little curry house
<popey> the good thing is two years running we have been there, just turned up ~15 of us, and got a table right away
<GazzaK> pizza is on order - yay
<popey> \o/
<jayteeuk> I'm considering taking a day off work to attend GUADEC.
<popey> i was going to too
<popey> changed my mind
<GazzaK> when is LW2007?
<jayteeuk> It's in Birmingham isn't it?
<popey> yes jayteeuk
<popey> GazzaK: LWE?
<jayteeuk> Not too far for me then.
<jayteeuk> If I can get a permission slip. ;)
<popey> GazzaK: google..
<popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linuxworld+expo+2007+london
<popey> LINUXWORLD 2007 TAKES PLACE AT OLYMPIA 2 ON 24TH AND 25TH OCTOBER
<GazzaK> arghh, thats late, anything earlier O event planning one?
<popey> you going to LRL07?
<popey> thats 7/8 July
<GazzaK> thats up brum way innit
<jayteeuk> Yes, UKTeam booze-up, in my local... erm, tomorrow?
<popey> yes GazzaK
<popey> I am going
<GazzaK> I might popey
<popey> booked my hotel already
<GazzaK> just to meet you again
<GazzaK> can I crash at your hotel?
<popey> Again?
<popey> have we met?
<popey> :)
<GazzaK> popey, yes, I winked at you at LWE2006
<popey> yes, you came to the stand at LWE?
<popey> hahah
<GazzaK> and hid from LMM
<popey> hahah
<GazzaK> and laughed at jono's beardy thing
<popey> you didn't stay long did you?
<GazzaK> actually, you sold me the damn polo shirt!
<popey> I did!?
<popey> man that day was a blur!
<GazzaK> popey, I had a bit of a panic attack, again, damnit
<popey> yes, i remember that
<popey> (not in a bad way)
<GazzaK> i'll be okay next time, as I'll feel that I know people
<popey> is that the issue - not knowing people
<popey> being around a lot of strangers?
<GazzaK> it's the first meet thing, in new place, it's a pita
<jayteeuk> Hey, that reminds me -- I never sent Loudmouthman the money for that Ubuntu polo shirt.
<popey> heh
<GazzaK> jayteeuk, thats cruel
<jayteeuk> GazzaK: I don't have the shirt either.
<popey> how come?
<GazzaK> poor bloke is starving, eating bread and butter
<popey> s/butter/drugs
<jayteeuk> I clean forgot about it.
<jayteeuk> I wonder if he's still got one set aside for me.
<popey> he recently sold one to a mate of mine
<jayteeuk> Or if he's given up on me ever sending him a cheque. :)
<GazzaK> I wear mine on fridays :-)
<GazzaK> except today, as I could not find it, since it's either in a box or the cat ate it or something
<GazzaK> I got the hard top off today - yay - topless driving rocks
<GazzaK> popey, still at work?
<popey> yes
<popey> till 6pm
<GazzaK> hahahaaaa
<popey> i started at 10AM :)
<GazzaK> sorry, shouldn't giggle really
<popey> its okay
<GazzaK> I love being so close to work now, 5-10 min and I'm home
<GazzaK> whats the new job like?
<GazzaK> obviously not that busy
<popey> heh
<GazzaK> nice people or bunch of freaks?
<popey> they extended my contract to the end of july
<GazzaK> thats good, at least you know where you stand then
<GazzaK> they must like you
<jayteeuk> What's not to like?
<popey> very quiet here
<popey> small team of 3
<popey> one of them runs ubuntu at home
<popey> (not me)
<GazzaK> yay
<popey> ok, two of us run Ubuntu at home
<GazzaK> team of three plus you, or including you?
<popey> inc
<popey> I am IN the team :)
<GazzaK> pick on the non ubuntu user, make him/her feel like a outsider :p
<GazzaK> convert the heathen
<popey> he is beyond my help :)
<GazzaK> put him down then, blame all problems on his lack of ubuntugoodness
<GazzaK> :p
<popey> heheh
<GazzaK> peer pressure works
<popey> go eat your pizza, fatty
<popey> I'm trying to work ;)
<GazzaK> it aint here yet
<popey> bah
<GazzaK> work, work is for the weak
* popey will call up for a few
* GazzaK should remember to have food for lunch
<GazzaK> jayteeuk, come down to Colchester for my first LUG meet :p
<jayteeuk> Colchester? That's abroad somewhere isn't it?
<popey> haah
<popey> yeah, you need a passport to getthere
<popey> </jade_goody>
<jayteeuk> :-P
<GazzaK> awww
<jayteeuk> One stop shy of Belgium?
<GazzaK> tis better than chavton
<popey> mmmm belgium
<popey> mmmm beer
<GazzaK> wheres my beer/chocolates
<GazzaK> you promised :'(
<popey> eaten
<GazzaK> mwhaaaa
<popey> i promised to eatthem too
<popey> I do have some easter eggs left
<GazzaK> were they nice
<popey> well, a whole box
<popey> not opened
<GazzaK> mememeeeee
<popey> keeping them for easter, going to hide them round the house for sophie
* GazzaK likes eastertime
<GazzaK> awwww
<GazzaK> how old is she
<popey> she is chuffing great!
<popey> getting quite grown up
* GazzaK saw his niece last weekend, she is great too, only 1 year old though, cool rugrat :p
<GazzaK> hey chrisbudden14
* jayteeuk just noticed that his NetworkManager applet has disappeared.
<GazzaK> mine is still there
<jayteeuk> I wonder if it didn't get replaced when gnome-panel crashed and restarted last night.
<GazzaK> only get 54mbps though, it's supposed to be n (and so is the wifi in the laptop, I think)
* GazzaK checks
<jayteeuk> I don't even use wifi at home... but it's useful when I'm out.
<popey> yeah, i only have crappy wifi
<popey> 11b
<GazzaK> oops, nope, Intel 2200BG
<GazzaK> it keeps trying to connect to a neighbours wifi though
<X3N> tell it off
*** stdin_ is now known as stdin
<GazzaK> I do, but the bugger ignores me, I think the microphone is muted
<GazzaK> hey stdin
<GazzaK> hows the rammy goodness?
<stdin> still purring :P
<stdin> that extra gig comes in very useful :D
<chrisbudden14> alright
<chrisbudden14> hows it going
* jayteeuk has a d'oh moment.
<jayteeuk> Damn those Microsoft line-endings.
<GazzaK> bet it does stdin
<GazzaK> it's going good chrisbudden14
<GazzaK> hungry
<chrisbudden14> lol
<chrisbudden14> feisty is looking really cool
<chrisbudden14> this avaih stuff
<chrisbudden14> or whatever its called
<chrisbudden14> looks cool
<GazzaK> I forgot to eat at lunchtime, I was too busy drilling holes into my hallway to mount the hardtop
<GazzaK> avaih?
<GazzaK> yeah, I installed feisty the other day - it's cool
<daviey> grr, OO.net is actually not very good at VBA macros
<jayteeuk> avahi -- isn't that zeroconf networking stuff?
<chrisbudden14> im having trouble getting installed manually fglrx though
<daviey> you can't
<daviey> waiting on ati to release Xorg.7.2 drivers
<chrisbudden14> yea
<daviey> My load just shot up to "15.00" - methinks a memory leak
<chrisbudden14> for example, when i started the new rhythmbox all itunes DAAP shares showed up automatically
<chrisbudden14> the fact that i cant listen to other people music because of itunes 7 is another matter
<chrisbudden14> brb
<jayteeuk> And to think that my brother-in-law laughed when I suggested that in future, you won't need to faff about setting these things up, they'll just work.
<daviey> hmm... Excel VBA - OpenOffice almost has it working, Gnumeric pretents by supporting buttons. And KSpread does nothin!
<GazzaK> jayteeuk, yeah, I do love it
<jayteeuk> Mind you, people are scared of technology they don't understand.
<chrisbudden14> woo yay
<chrisbudden14> 3d accel!
<jayteeuk> My colleagues told me they won't use CVS because it's dangerous.
<chrisbudden14> now to see if i can get beryl to work
<jayteeuk> Something relating to XOrg or Beryl caused my machine to use up 100% CPU yesterday.
<jayteeuk> I've disabled Beryl for now and it seems happier.
<jayteeuk> Right, time for my chinky. :)
<jayteeuk> I may be around later... or I may strategically stay away to keep the peace. ;)
<jayteeuk> ttfn!
<GazzaK> arghhhh pizza still not here
<popey> \o/ home time
* X3N waves
<X3N> anyone got any tips on fixing sleeping patterns ?
<jamesbrose> Coffee :)
<X3N> hmm not sure how that would help in my situation
<jamesbrose> Whats your situation?
<X3N> it's all my russian programming teacher's fault for not being clear on what the assignment was, so I stayed up until 6am on monday to hand it in, then i didn't wake up until late on tueday afternoon and I had 9am lectures so i didn't go to sleep until 3pm on wednessday when I just fell asleep until 1am on thursday, waking up at that time i didn't have a chance of getting to sleep until atleast 6am, then i woke up at 5pm to
<jamesbrose> Ouch
<X3N> that's been my week
<jamesbrose> I got banned from my schools network for using a proxy :)
<jamesbrose> (phpproxy)
<X3N> now my sleep time has shifted to 6am - 5pm
<jamesbrose> I got 22,000 hits from the school in 3 weeks
<jamesbrose> !!!
<jamesbrose> (I told my 'friends' :P )
<X3N> heheh
<X3N> you can turn an ssh connection into a socks5 proxy by just using -D
<X3N> anyway.. how do i fix my sleeping !!
<jamesbrose> Thing is the old IT Techie doesn't know anything about programming so I can't understand how easily it can be done. The young one completely does though, so I should be unbanned by monday (hopefully)
<X3N> google isn't giving me anything
<jamesbrose> X3N, http://www.helpguide.org/life/sleep_tips.htm , that the kind of thing your after?
<X3N> i don't need tips on getting to sleep, i need tips on how to shift my sleeping pattern
<jamesbrose> hmm
<jamesbrose> make yourself really sleepy
<jamesbrose> until the time you actually want to go to bede
<jamesbrose> bed*
<X3N> i've only just got out of bed remember ;)
<X3N> that isn't going to happen for another 10 hours atleast
<jamesbrose> Move australia? :)
<jamesbrose> to*
<X3N> lol
<jamesbrose> I switched to opensuse yesterday :/
<jamesbrose> I wish it had apt :(
<X3N> there probably is an apt port
<X3N> there is for rpm anyway
<jamesbrose> yeah there is but its slow ( I think ).
<popey> why switch to opensuse?
<jamesbrose> I've been changing all week
<popey> why?
<jamesbrose> Bored :)
<jamesbrose> I've had loads of time on my hands
<jamesbrose> When 7.06 comes out, I will switch back
<X3N> I tried out a lot of distros as well
<X3N> in my time
<jamesbrose> I tried Fedora, I got so stressed out with the speed of yum
<jamesbrose> I tried Mandriva, Got bored pretty quickly
<popey> there are probably better things to do with your time
<jamesbrose> Now I'm on suse, and I have to say its very tidy, fast, and easy to install stuff :) (not as good/fast as ubuntu though)
<jamesbrose> lol yes
<jamesbrose> I've also been painting the dining room and shifting stuff into the celler
<X3N> I think it's quite a good use of time, it never hurts to see what else is out there rather than blindly using a distro for the sake of it
<jamesbrose> I agree
<jamesbrose> I'm thinkin of knoppix next, but I havn't decided
<jamesbrose> I've tried debian before
<jamesbrose> Any suggestions?
<X3N> gentoo is a good learning experience
* GazzaK is gonna hurt Dominos
<jamesbrose> I'll add it to my list
<jamesbrose> Gazzak, why? Didn't get the pizza in 30 mins?
<GazzaK> jamesbrose, ordered 4:38, not arrived YET!!!
<jamesbrose> Forgot?
<X3N> it'll taste like crap anyway
<jamesbrose> haha
<GazzaK> ordered online, and the local place never got the order
<jamesbrose> darn
<X3N> bloody technology
<GazzaK> X3N, dominos is lovely, so healthy, so good for me
<X3N> GazzaK: you've been watching too many adverts
<jamesbrose> lol
* jamesbrose has got a pizza resteraunt down the road
<GazzaK> yeah, I would go and call them, but I have no real money on me
<GazzaK> so ordering online via card payment was the easiest thing to do
<X3N> pizzahut have ordering online too
<GazzaK> now ya tell me :p
<X3N> you didn't consult me first
<GazzaK> i'll do that next time, I won't buy from dominos again now
<jamesbrose> not even at the shop?
<X3N> you can order me a pizza if you want too GazzaK
<jamesbrose> ^same
<GazzaK> jamesbrose, well yeah, if I have cash, I'll call the local place again, I meant I'll not order online again from them
<X3N> i think i'm going to solve my sleeping problem with my drinking problem tonight ;)
<Seeker`> X3N: Cider helps
<jamesbrose> they nearly lost a valuable customer then
<X3N> indeed
<GazzaK> jamesbrose, lol
<X3N> mv /dev/michael /pub/offlicence/ | set $MONEY -5
<jamesbrose> lol
<Seeker`> X3N: How much can you get for £5?
<popey> 4 cans I suspect
<LoudMouthMan> so i turned off the respecive upstream filters and lo my mail arrived. oh and ALL THE JUNK .. how irnonic then to see Dave Godwins article on spam blocking in LU&D today.
* Seeker` got 3 litres of strongbow for £5
<GazzaK> arse, Domino's internal IT system is broken!!!
<GazzaK> but I'm getting freebies \o/
<LoudMouthMan> hmm I wonder if they use Lotus ?
* Seeker` was going to order dominos tonight
<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, my work does, eeek
<GazzaK> Seeker`, call the store
<LoudMouthMan> yeah but the pun is its Dominos, Lotus .. geddit ? Cheesey Joke I know!
<jamesbrose> Gazzak, What freebies?
<LoudMouthMan> maybe frisbies ? pizza frisbies!
<GazzaK> free starters
<jamesbrose> Sweet
<jamesbrose> Is it still broken? :P
<GazzaK> starved....
<jamesbrose> ah my tea's ready :)
<Seeker`> GazzaK: Thats what i'm gonna have to do
<GazzaK> stop it, all this talk of food, I'm close to dying here
<GazzaK> Sticky Dippers - Freshly baked cinnamon and sugar-topped breadsticks with a pot of sweet icing dip.
<GazzaK> must stop reading the menu!!!
<jamesbrose> lol
* LoudMouthMan wafts the smell of grilled lamb across the channel and fires up the garlic bread .
<jamesbrose> ШÔш
<daviey> Apparently i live too far away from dominos for delivery. It's bleedin spitting distance
* Seeker` just ordered dominos :D
<GazzaK> Seeker`, online?
<Seeker`> no
<GazzaK> daviey, hahahahhaa
<Seeker`> cant be borthered to wait around
<GazzaK> I moved house just to get into dominos delivery area
<Seeker`> it'll take 30-40 mins anyway
* GazzaK is fed now
<Seeker`> apparently pizza hut dont deliver to me
<Seeker`> even though the nearest is only 0.89 miles away
<GazzaK> mine do, but they don't do online ordering
<daviey> that's probably the same as Seeker` and I
* GazzaK feels like popping
* Seeker` can only afford a medium cheese + tomato and some garlic bread
<GazzaK> awwww
<daviey> Seeker`, ask for staff discount
<Seeker`> ...?
<Seeker`> that would imply that i work there?
<GazzaK> Seeker`, tell them they did not deliver last night, when you paid online...
<jamesbrose> anybody know where I can find out how to make/get a PHP/MySQL Upload/download script?
<LoudMouthMan> jamesbrowse theres plenty ajax php scripts relating to uploads would that do ?
<LoudMouthMan> Such as http://www.devpro.it/upload_progress/ or http://ajax.phpmagazine.net/2006/01/ajax_files_uploader_php_class.html for starters .
<jamesbrose> That can upload to a sql database?
<jamesbrose> , LoudMouthMan
<LoudMouthMan> wha?
<LoudMouthMan> well upload the file then decide what to do with it with fopens and adodb ?
<popey> jamesbrose: upload/download what?
<popey> ahh
<popey> answered already
<popey> phpmyadmin?
<popey> filethingie
<jamesbrose> umm
<jamesbrose> filethingie lol?
<popey> thats what it is called
<popey> i have used it
<popey> very simple file manager
<jamesbrose> I just want a upload/download script to upload files to a mysql db
<popey> yes
<jamesbrose> and download them
<popey> that does file up/down
<jamesbrose> sweet
<popey> not specifically sql, any file
<jamesbrose> danka
<popey> you can secure it with a user/pass
<popey> and configure file types it will let you manipulate
<popey> quite neat
<jamesbrose> popey, how do I upload anything :/ It just seems like a file 'viewer'
<jamesbrose> Chmoded it wrong lol
<X3N> I wish ATI made decent drivers
<daviey> i wish they didn't make them at all :P
<daviey> I don't want to use XGL, i want to use AIGLX
* popey torrents feisty herd 5
<daviey> but will he seed?
<popey> well given it is going to finish whilst I am asleep yeah, I guess so

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