| <Norf-ubu> well that was the longest 43 minutes ever... | |
| <tsmithe> eh? | |
| <Norf-ubu> upgraded to 7.04 - said it was going to take 43 mins.... 2 hours ago | |
| <daviey> Anybody else finding that evolution isn't auto getting pgp keys on received emails? | |
| <tsmithe> yep | |
| <tsmithe> Norf-ubu, ah well :P | |
| <daviey> tsmithe, you are? | |
| <tsmithe> yea | |
| <tsmithe> never did | |
| <Norf-ubu> my bad - back to 6.10... errors all over :( | |
| <tsmithe> ? | |
| <daviey> tsmithe, no workaround that you know of? | |
| <tsmithe> nope | |
| <tsmithe> you can do it manually? | |
| <daviey> wheres the fun in that | |
| *** Pricey is now known as PriceChild | |
| <tsmithe> P | |
| <daviey> suppose i could write a shell script that gets ran on all new mail | |
| <tsmithe> :S | |
| * tsmithe goes to sleep | |
| <daviey> overkill? | |
| <constrictor> goodnight guys | |
| <constrictor> i'm still very happy about my wireless card | |
| <daviey> wooo - it is possible to auto get pgp keys | |
| <tsmithe> how?? | |
| <daviey> tsmithe, edit $HOME/.gnupg/gpg.conf and uncomment keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve | |
| <tsmithe> cool | |
| <tsmithe> danke | |
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| <X3N> heard 5 should be out today | |
| <ubot3`> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Language laws <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/135538.html> || Matthew Garrett <http://mjg59.livejournal.com/72358.html> | |
| <X3N> "Matthew Garrett's laptop has been blessed by the Pope." | |
| <X3N> http://www.angryfacts.com | |
| * AndrewB makes himself at home. ~ | |
| <X3N> hello | |
| <AndrewB> hey X3N how goes? | |
| <X3N> not too bad | |
| <AndrewB> :) | |
| <X3N> just reading www.angryfacts.com | |
| <AndrewB> Cool. | |
| <X3N> Matthew Garrett is a developer if you didn't know | |
| <AndrewB> eek lag | |
| <GazzaK> Gooooood Morning Viet, erm, UK | |
| <dotwaffle> Yesss... | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <JohnRobert> hi | |
| <JohnRobert> hi jono | |
| <JohnRobert> bacon? | |
| <GazzaK> yes please, and some sausages and toast, and maybe a egg or two... | |
| <JohnRobert> good idea | |
| <mrben> count me in | |
| <Seeker`> morning | |
| <GazzaK> morning Seeker` | |
| *** dave__5555 is now known as daviey | |
| <JohnRobert> will feisty's network-manager having working static configuration support? | |
| <JohnRobert> fiesty's | |
| <daviey> JohnRobert, have you tried it? | |
| <JohnRobert> yes, it didn't work | |
| <JohnRobert> that was about a month or two ago though | |
| <JohnRobert> perhaps it's fixed now | |
| <JohnRobert> the interface was there | |
| <daviey> JohnRobert, i will have to try it when i get home, currently i use dhcp | |
| <JohnRobert> yeah, I use a laptop at work and home, and sometimes elsewhere so it's a real pain | |
| <JohnRobert> imo, network-manager is probably the linux package that needs most focus atm | |
| <daviey> The nm-applet doesn't seem to work for my WPA Enterprise setup. I have to kill it, and manually run wpa_supplicant | |
| <popey> morning all | |
| <popey> JohnRobert: yes, it does have static IP support | |
| <popey> I have used it at home | |
| <JohnRobert> I'm just going to wait for the proper release of fiesty | |
| <JohnRobert> next month isn't it? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> morning popey. you stopped feeding the digg trolls yet ? | |
| <JohnRobert> :p | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <popey> I spoke to the author of the mac article last night on IM | |
| <popey> he was fine with my article, even left a comment in my blog :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah bloggers usually are <Grin> | |
| <popey> that story has had 28K reads | |
| <popey> http://popey.com/usage/usage_200703.html calming down a bit | |
| <popey> http://popey.com/usage/usage_200702.html nutty yesterday | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hahah well youve been dugged now . feeling happier <grin> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> it does amaze me thought how strident windows user are that windows just works when my experiences are that it works no better or worse than mac and ubuntu its just like the emperors new clothes the users are convinced it is otherwise. | |
| <popey> thing is on digg ubuntu is indeed loved at hated in almost equal amounts | |
| <JohnRobert> heh | |
| <LoudMouthMan> the amount of "custom" things I have to do to get things working like utorrent or usb wireless or itunes or video games would still be defended/ignored in the face of it. | |
| <JohnRobert> I've decided I need to start being more proactive in promoting linux and ubuntu | |
| <popey> and if that's the case, then there must be quite a large number of Ubuntu users out there | |
| <LoudMouthMan> johnrobert cool thats the purpose of Ubunut Uk <grin> | |
| <JohnRobert> I discovered 'tali' the other day | |
| <JohnRobert> although I'm sure the computer cheats | |
| <JohnRobert> cool LoudMouthMan | |
| <popey> custom things to do to ubuntu? | |
| <JohnRobert> ?? | |
| <popey> @ LoudMouthMan | |
| <JohnRobert> lol nice graphs popey.... anyway, you get my link message? | |
| <popey> er, no | |
| <JohnRobert> care to link to my site? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hehe wait for my blog , ive been talking about customer vs off the shelf with my accenture clients and its incredible how much fiddle they put up with from off the shelf. | |
| <JohnRobert> it'll boost your google rating (probably) | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> it will boost yours more like :) | |
| <JohnRobert> don't have to obviously, but they're related sites | |
| <JohnRobert> heh | |
| <JohnRobert> I've quite a high page rank I'd have said | |
| <popey> url? | |
| <JohnRobert> well | |
| <JohnRobert> not like your digg fiasco yesterday | |
| <JohnRobert> www.john-hunt.com | |
| <LoudMouthMan> been reading Matt revells post today though and I think hes talking more from a sales than a marketing view point. but then im a sales man and sales and marketing are like vampires and werewolves. | |
| <popey> your pagerank is 4 JohnRobert | |
| <popey> as is mine :) | |
| <popey> I have a very strict criteria for people who appear in my Friends list | |
| <popey> (un)luckily, you fall into it | |
| <popey> added | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh popey , yeah I get the context of your question. no I do custom things in Windows which equal the amount of fiddle youd have to do in ubuntu for some tasks. the difference is in Ubuntu you fiddle once and leave it. in Windows you have to learn which fiddle works for you. | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> never thought of it like that | |
| <LoudMouthMan> cool. see I have meaningful deep thoughts from time to time ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> for example . the sync feature on my ipod never works so I have to download all podcasts, then connect my ipod and update then disconnect. if I have the ipod in whilst new tunes arrive they wont be loaded until I disconnect then reconnect the ipod. | |
| <daviey> woo - /j #ubuntu = #ubuntu #ubuntu-ops :Forwarding to another channel | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, thats the tor for ya | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, read the bot info in #ubuntu-ops :-) | |
| <daviey> cba | |
| <daviey> oh well | |
| <Seeker`> lo | |
| <popey> haha, they dont like tor in #ubuntu? | |
| <constrictor> hi everyone | |
| <GazzaK> popey, nope :p | |
| <GazzaK> hi constrictor | |
| <daviey> apparently the usefulness:abuse ratio is too much. I'm a registered IRC helper - good init | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, get a cloak then :p | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, let me joing colchester lug then ;) | |
| <popey> why do you use tor then? | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, but are you in colchester? :p | |
| <daviey> popey, i don't like my ip being public - project cloaks need acceptance. | |
| <popey> why dont you like your ip public? | |
| <popey> (given it already is) | |
| <GazzaK> is it like 66.66.66.66 or something? | |
| <daviey> haha | |
| <LoudMouthMan> 69.69.69.69 Dude ! <grin> I want that one ! | |
| <daviey> no, i don't mind random port scans - but i don't like people being able to target me | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, I'll give you one | |
| <daviey> heck - i've banned asia | |
| <Seeker`> ... | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, even a @unafilliated/daviey cloak would do that | |
| <Seeker`> how can you just ban asia? do you have a "ban asia" button on your desktop? | |
| * LoudMouthMan ignores gazzaks intimations, hhe | |
| <daviey> Seeker`, okay - asia cannot http/ssh into my server | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, having spelling issues today? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well if your using BTs network parts of asia are unreachable from your connection anyway. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh gawds yes . im sitting at another office on yet another keyboard. | |
| <daviey> How can i get an unaffilliated cloak? | |
| <JohnRobert> "(un)luckily, you fall into it" thanks popey | |
| <JohnRobert> I ought to work for the uni website thing | |
| <JohnRobert> it's terrible | |
| <popey> ebay have some 66. IPs | |
| <popey> as do craigslist | |
| <popey> and slashdotr | |
| <popey> 69. also appears US based | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, ask nice in #ubuntu-ops | |
| <GazzaK> or in #tapthru | |
| <daviey> thanks | |
| <JohnRobert> popey: you have a quickcam express? | |
| <popey> JohnRobert: no, a Philips Toucam 740K | |
| <popey> IIRC | |
| <JohnRobert> hmm | |
| <JohnRobert> someone selling one local for £9 | |
| <JohnRobert> sounds like a bargain | |
| <popey> i *think* they also use the pwc driver | |
| <popey> and so would be fine under linux | |
| <popey> unless you use edgy :) | |
| <popey> the pwc driver was broken, maybe it was in feisty | |
| <daviey> popey, there is a workaround though - it was borked in edgy | |
| <JohnRobert> yeah, not the best cam popey, but at that price I can just sell it to a family member for same/more £ | |
| * popey wonders what rental DVD to get neext | |
| <popey> Snakes on a Plane I think | |
| <popey> or borat | |
| <daviey> No! | |
| <popey> maybe Nacho Libre | |
| <popey> choices choices | |
| <JohnRobert> I've got snake on a plane, but not watched it yet | |
| <JohnRobert> I fear it may be crap | |
| <JohnRobert> and not funny | |
| <daviey> actually Snakes.... wasn't to bad - but the writers are getting desperate eh? | |
| <GazzaK> snakes on a plane - how naff | |
| <JohnRobert> I recently got peep show | |
| <JohnRobert> it's ace | |
| <mrben> it was funny in places | |
| <mrben> (SoaP) | |
| <popey> \o/ peep show | |
| <mrben> popey: seen Ong Bak? | |
| <popey> i have it on my desk mrben | |
| <popey> loaned it by a friend | |
| <mrben> popey: heh | |
| <mrben> quality film | |
| <popey> cool | |
| <mrben> well - the plot sucks, but the martial arts is fantastic | |
| <popey> so I hear.. might watch that tonight given I am waiting for my next amazon dvd to arrive | |
| <LoudMouthMan> daviey do you know the history of where and how SoaP came to be ? its supposed to be desperate and b movie its why SJ wanted in. | |
| <popey> was a little disappointed with Superman Returns | |
| <LoudMouthMan> like the rest of us then. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I hear rumours there will be a JLA animated movie in the pipeline which makes me fuzzy . | |
| <popey> JLA? | |
| <daviey> LoudMouthMan, i thought it was that the SOAP manufacturers sponsored it | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Justice League of America. | |
| <popey> Damn you with your unexpanded TLAs | |
| <mrben> popey: Justice League of America | |
| <mrben> heh | |
| <mrben> snap | |
| <mrben> (Simultaneous Notation of A Phrase) | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> loon | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but im a DC fanboy having never really liked the marvel universe. | |
| <mrben> Humour And Hilarity Arise | |
| <mrben> Laughing Out Of Nose | |
| <popey> you can stop now | |
| <mrben> ok | |
| <mrben> ;) | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, is in my bad books. I certainly won't be joining your lug! :P | |
| <popey> \o/ 3 month extension to contract | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, shhh | |
| <daviey> apology accepted | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, I got my @unaffiliated cloak that way, so sorry | |
| * popey has joined GazzaKs lug | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey DaveMorris I thought of a very cool use for the virtual servers we discussed. so if you get a chance and want to earn some pennies talk to me friday afternoon if your freee. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey . you join all the lugs. its like Popeymon, gotta join them all . | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, no worries :P | |
| <GazzaK> popey, no you haven't, you quit the other day | |
| <GazzaK> oh the mailing list :p | |
| <popey> depends how you measure the membership | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dont ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Gazzak no , i can see the snigger from here. | |
| <dotwaffle> I kid thee not, there is a Facebook group to admire sabdfl's mullet-that-was. | |
| <dotwaffle> " | |
| <dotwaffle> The Mullet has done a lot for humankind, and may one day crush all his enemies with the spirit of Ubuntu whilst doing experiments in orbit." | |
| <dotwaffle> worryingly, there's another called "Linux makes me hard, Ubuntu finishes me off | |
| * popey has never used facebook | |
| <popey> one of the members of our LUG is working on a similar site of his own | |
| <popey> social kind of site | |
| <JohnRobert> I've used facebook...I stopped when they started putting big flash ads on there | |
| <popey> http://mauvespace.com/ | |
| <JohnRobert> Linux makes me hard, Ubuntu finishes me off LOL oh dear | |
| <JohnRobert> ubuntu does have sex appeal | |
| <popey> if you have a scatalogical nature, yeah :) | |
| <JohnRobert> lol | |
| <dotwaffle> :) | |
| <JohnRobert> any need screencasts on the way popey? | |
| <JohnRobert> s/need/new | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <JohnRobert> oh dear, one of my colleagues is getting told off | |
| <JohnRobert> heh, he is pretty bad though | |
| <JohnRobert> some days just not turn up | |
| <LoudMouthMan> pretty poor show of management to not do that in a more discreet place though. | |
| <JohnRobert> well my boss said over the phone | |
| <JohnRobert> as he's at home | |
| <JohnRobert> management here is pretty bad though | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wheres here then ? | |
| <daviey> Southampton Uni? | |
| <JohnRobert> ypu | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ypu ? oh me ? im Self employed selling and promoting Ubuntu to SMEs in Sussex/Surrey | |
| <daviey> LoudMouthMan, minimum wage eh? | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, LoudMouthMan often reaches his monthly target in the first week of the month | |
| <LoudMouthMan> daveiy not quite . im doing about 8k a month of sales where 30% of that is hardware sales. | |
| <daviey> Thats great? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but thanks for remembering Gazzak. whats nice though is how may clients have ubuntu on the servers and are amazed at how much easier life now is. | |
| <daviey> what are you making the 70% on? FOSS? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hence sites with 490days of uptime <grin> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> the 70% is contracted support, on site support, projects and installations. | |
| <daviey> LoudMouthMan, are you converting them from Win or from other *nix flavours? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> FOSS contributes 60% of that work by dint of server delivery, management and production. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> mostly Win SBS boxes. | |
| <daviey> I'm impressed | |
| <LoudMouthMan> we need far more small shops and small it companies moving to supporting linux though so I take time to help train the competition. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ironically the small it companies can be quite rabid about considering alternatives or even looking at it. youd think theyd turn into a pillar of salt the way they sometimes avoid talking about it. | |
| <daviey> tbh. everytime i go into a small village i think "Where is the computer shop", maybe i could set up here | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but im not a shop, im just this guy , you know ? | |
| <daviey> i need to go; but i would like to talk more about this later. Bye | |
| <LoudMouthMan> sure . bye . | |
| * popey needs to think about these things too | |
| * GazzaK offers himself to LoudMouthMan | |
| <GazzaK> erm | |
| <LoudMouthMan> uh! | |
| <GazzaK> I mean, offers help!!! to LoudMouthMan | |
| <JohnRobert> hmm, network probs | |
| <JohnRobert> our gigabit net is 200k/sec in the training room | |
| <GazzaK> woo lunchtime \o/ | |
| <JohnRobert> what's that thing for monitoring packets? | |
| <JohnRobert> where you get a big long list | |
| <JohnRobert> ethereal | |
| <JohnRobert> ah, it's wireshark now | |
| <ubot3_> New news from planetuk: Jono Bacon: Clarifying the Turkey cancellation <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=909> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> that headline reads so well , its a pity its not december. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> @popey , think about what things ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> johnrobert have you tried straightening out the cable so the 1s can get through it easier ? | |
| <popey> life stuff | |
| <popey> work stuff | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah its hard work . from where you sit I can see how you get to dedicate more time to the community as is and get a return on investment for that time. However the work I put in effects a community who dont hang around in forums and irc channels so i dont get the same return on investment. if that makes sense? | |
| <popey> kinda | |
| <popey> but that's not what i'm angling for :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and Gazzak thanks for the offer but working for me sucks ( and not in a good way ) . | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <GazzaK> It'd be working from afar :-) | |
| <JohnRobert> hmm | |
| <JohnRobert> turns out it was the socket the switch was plugged in to | |
| <JohnRobert> I *think* | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so the socket not the switch or the cable on the table. Which made the packets make a racket and caused a stir where you were then ? | |
| <JohnRobert> precisely | |
| <GazzaK> Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 <popey> er * popey takes it to prv - hahaa | |
| <GazzaK> hey jono whats up? | |
| <jono> hey | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wb daviey . | |
| <daviey> hi | |
| * popey is installing whitebox linux today | |
| <popey> in a nice safe VM | |
| <daviey> witchcraft if you ask me | |
| * popey asks daviey | |
| <daviey> it's witchcraft | |
| <popey> thank you | |
| <gord> woh, woh, woh, its magic... you knooow | |
| <LoudMouthMan> couldnt believe its no so . | |
| * popey bets gord watched Harry Hills TV Burp last night | |
| <LoudMouthMan> that'll be a tv thing then <grin duck run like f**k> | |
| <gord> indeedy | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> omg . just found a email address for a client . @compuserve.com , how nineties. | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <mrben> popey: why whitebox? | |
| <popey> because I dont want to pay for redhat :) | |
| <mrben> popey: why whitebox over centos? | |
| <popey> dunno really | |
| <popey> one of my lug members prefers it | |
| <mrben> ok | |
| <popey> so if i want help i figured it's easier to use something i know someone else uses | |
| <daviey> LoudMouthMan, do you only provide Ubuntu & FOSS? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> daviey, theres a long answer to that question . but I really dont want to appear to be pimping my services here but if others dont mind ill answer questions | |
| <popey> if someone asks, answer | |
| <popey> it's not like you're pushing it | |
| <daviey> If nobody objects then shoot; otherwise pm | |
| <LoudMouthMan> okay cool. but i wanted to be clear. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I promote Ubuntu and FOSS to my Clients and new clients. I also attend BNI ( business network international ) and FSB (Federation of small business ) as well as other network groups like Profit Net. At those events i talk about FOSS and Ubuntu and how big business has already established itself in using it as so possibly can smaller businesses. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I do support Windows, Mac and Linux environments. For example RedSky software ships of RedHat enterprise products ( thuogh it can and does run on ubuntu servers ) and I provide support to those servers for the client , which is far cheaper than the discussed support contract from Redsky. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Primarily I have clients who use windows or mac desktops however a few have ( and continue to experiment ) used Ubuntu desktops. | |
| <daviey> i see, so what is your sales ratio between linux/windows? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> On Windows however I have managed to encourage customers to use Open Office, Thunderbird, Firefox, Gimp, Inkscape, NVU and Turbocash | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well I would say about 1:8 where 1 server is used between 8 desktops. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but Windows desktop doesnt stop there for a client. | |
| <daviey> So are you focusing on home/users or small business? | |
| <GazzaK> can you pimp your other services here? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> meanwhile Many clients keep Ubuntu CDS handy along with emergency instructions on how to use it to run email/file access should their desktop hard drives or operating system fail. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i dont focus on home users at all. | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, you can't; others can | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I sell to small and medium sized businesses with clients from 2 desktops to 60 | |
| <daviey> I see, until last year i used to sell machines to home users. Averaging 1 machine a week - but the margins were too small! | |
| <ubot3_> New news from planetuk: Jono Bacon: Mobile, gone, idiot, me <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=910> | |
| <JohnRobert> new news | |
| <gord> old news is rarely useful, which is why we say news instead of olds | |
| <LoudMouthMan> selling hardware to end users is hard and not worthwhile unless you can control the expectations and the delivery . e.g. sell high spec game machines to a narrow market. | |
| <JohnRobert> news becomes what when it's old? | |
| <JohnRobert> olds or 'old stuff' | |
| <JohnRobert> ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> end of year recap ? | |
| <JohnRobert> information of the past | |
| <LoudMouthMan> google news ? | |
| <gord> generally when news becomes old it gets snipped up into tiny bitesized pieces then mixed around some more until fox news can use it to say that democrats eat babys | |
| <popey> Fox: Fair and Balanced. | |
| <JohnRobert> Wolf: Hungry | |
| <LoudMouthMan> shark: me | |
| <JohnRobert> everyone's a comedian :/ | |
| <treb0r> Does anybody know of a decent cyber cafe in London that might let me plug my own laptop into power & network? | |
| <popey> just go to starbucks treb0r | |
| <LoudMouthMan> treb0r . no but try to get a sales meeting at any good bishopsgate office and you'll get away with it plus free coffee ! | |
| <GazzaK> treb0r, there is a cafe on old crompton street which will let ya do that | |
| <popey> whereabouts in london exactly | |
| <popey> crompton? compton? | |
| <treb0r> Around Soho if possible | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, one of those popey | |
| <gord> aren't there some free wifi spots in london these days? | |
| <treb0r> I know Old compton street | |
| <popey> fon ftw | |
| <GazzaK> it's a bit of a gay cafe thou | |
| <treb0r> doesn't bother me | |
| <GazzaK> but I used it, the boss is nice (if he is still there) | |
| <treb0r> My laptop battery is hosed, and I need to woerk all day tomorrow away from the office | |
| <popey> what kind of laptop? | |
| <treb0r> clevo | |
| <treb0r> one of those nasty p4 battery eaters | |
| <gord> for me, a laptop doesn't need to be based around being powerful, rather, being useable and power saving | |
| <treb0r> Well, I| bought it a long time ago to play vice city | |
| <treb0r> now I use it for work.. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so gazzak your going to have to stop calling jono , look hes gone and lost his mobile deliberately ! | |
| <treb0r> Found one, Internet City, charing cross road £1 / hour | |
| <treb0r> sorted | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <GazzaK> he has a new one :p | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hehe and I started a sentence with So . and that Soooooo bugs jono . | |
| <GazzaK> so where is jono | |
| <popey> so he lost his phone? | |
| <GazzaK> so isn't he silly | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so he said he lost his phone. So they replaced it. So it doesnt matter. | |
| <jono> so shut the fuck up :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Afternoon all. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> So whose going to be at the loco meeting. | |
| <popey> so right you are LoudMouthMan | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <Pricey> LoudMouthMan, its been more than 3 days :P | |
| <popey> what loco meeting? | |
| <Pricey> why am i called pricey? | |
| <GazzaK> owww, jono swore :p | |
| *** Pricey is now known as PriceChild | |
| <popey> !ohmy | |
| <ubot3_> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | |
| <GazzaK> !language | jono | |
| <ubot3_> jono: please see above | |
| <jono> oops | |
| <jono> so, I am so sorry | |
| <gord> clever lil bot that o_O | |
| <GazzaK> go kick yerself :p | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gazzak, no . its So , go kick yourself. | |
| <GazzaK> oh | |
| <GazzaK> so... go kick yerself | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so ;) | |
| <GazzaK> so jono, can I call you? | |
| <PriceChild> haha | |
| <daviey> call him what? | |
| <gord> ooooh, kick GazzaK instead, for "'dissin" you | |
| <popey> a badger! | |
| <gord> a badger with a troubled past! | |
| <GazzaK> badger badger badger badger badger badger | |
| <LoudMouthMan> a badger , with a beard ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dammnit! | |
| <GazzaK> me does the funky badger dance | |
| <treb0r> mushroom! mushroom! | |
| <gord> I never found that thing funny... I just don't understand how people do | |
| <treb0r> he | |
| <GazzaK> gord, you is wrong :p | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gord. with arms outstretched usually | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ah do , not do it. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> my bad. | |
| <jono> GazzaK: sure | |
| <daviey> I | |
| <GazzaK> popey, say hi in #colchester-lug please | |
| <daviey> I'm thinking of setting up an IRC - Annon group where we can all go and admit we have a problem | |
| <GazzaK> damnit, it dunno work | |
| <jayteeuk> Would the meets take place on IRC daviey? | |
| <GazzaK> popey, it was supposed to go beep | |
| <daviey> jayteeuk, haha - yes. And anonymous proxies are a must | |
| <popey> mine goes beep when people say hilight words I have in my list | |
| <GazzaK> t'was supposed to beep on message, but it didn't | |
| <popey> surely it will if i say your name? | |
| <popey> or other hilight words | |
| <LoudMouthMan> anyway , daviey : we really do need more smaller independent it companies out there which promote and install open source software because the more people hear about it the better chance we can create these situations : http://paulshepard.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/hello-world/ | |
| <GazzaK> nope | |
| <GazzaK> it goes blue if you say GazzaK, but no beeping | |
| <popey> mine does | |
| <popey> well, mine flashes | |
| <gord> is your pc speaker turned on? not your big speakers the one IN your computer | |
| <GazzaK> gord, yes | |
| <LoudMouthMan> daviey: yeah but youd goto those meetings and it would take 3 hours to get past everyone saying hi to everyone else. | |
| <gord> my irc just went beep :P | |
| <gord> it won't beep if your looking at the channel that is going to beep I don't think | |
| <GazzaK> thats why I asked popey to say hi in #colchester-lug gord | |
| <daviey> LoudMouthMan, i really want to work with/using ubuntu. For years i have wanted to be self employed. I am rather scared of getting out of dev' for too long, especially into a sales orientated trade. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well ive been a coder ( wrote practise management applications for boots opticians ) , a sys admin ( for lloyds bank insurance ), a support guy ( anywhere ) , a Sales guy ( Spectrum energy it ) , a consultant ( palmer & webb ) and a freak ( ubuntu-uk ) . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh and ive been a lecturer at crawley college for evening and part time students. I lectured in advanced visual basic development | |
| <GazzaK> they have a college in Crawley? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah ., its called .. crawely college ! | |
| <daviey> visual basic can be advanced? | |
| <gord> hurrarh for my town having the best collage in the country! boo for the wang faces kicking me out all those years ago >:( | |
| <daviey> gord, why did they kick you out? | |
| <GazzaK> jono - you are doing a Q&A today? where & when? | |
| <gord> oh lots of reasons, I didn't set the college on fire or anythin ;) | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, on the phone! ;) | |
| <jono> GazzaK: 30 mins in #ubuntu-meeting | |
| <LoudMouthMan> daviey yeah it can if your doing dcom and com and activex control creation as well as dsnless odbc connectivity. | |
| <GazzaK> can we ask embarrassing questions? | |
| <JohnRobert> all the questions I had have left my mind | |
| <JohnRobert> and the one I can remember is resolved in fiesty anyway | |
| <daviey> "how did you lose your phone"? | |
| <jono> GazzaK: if you like | |
| <JohnRobert> good one daviey | |
| <LoudMouthMan> have you checked the last place you had it ? | |
| <GazzaK> if you ring it, does your bottom make noises? | |
| <mrben> jono: so - is syphillis as bad as they say? | |
| * GazzaK giggles | |
| <daviey> mrben, hahhahha | |
| <GazzaK> jono: do you feel satisfied with your place in the community | |
| <LoudMouthMan> next question : would you like to ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> fnar fnar | |
| <GazzaK> hehe | |
| <LoudMouthMan> honest to gods the first question I asked my wife when I first met her was "do you have any scottish in you ?" | |
| <GazzaK> would you like some!!! | |
| <James_Pain> lol | |
| <GazzaK> did she laugh or slap you? | |
| <daviey> guys - don't give him time to prepare! I want to see his squirming :P | |
| <jono> hehe | |
| <jono> keep them for the session | |
| <GazzaK> i'll keep a place for you, in my heart | |
| * GazzaK throws up | |
| * James_Pain passes gazzak a mop | |
| * GazzaK dances with the mop | |
| * GazzaK goes and gets an eye test | |
| <JohnRobert> who exactly is the question time aimed at? | |
| * James_Pain cover the children eyes | |
| <LoudMouthMan> She laughed, and about 5 years later she married me . | |
| <JohnRobert> is it like 'how can I search for this' or something or is it more like the future of ubuntu and stuff? or just anything? | |
| <GazzaK> well, I'm gonna aim at jono | |
| * GazzaK went shooting last night for practice | |
| <LoudMouthMan> daviey: so its not just Gazzak that loves it when people squirm. | |
| <James_Pain> i gotta get back into paintball | |
| <GazzaK> James_Pain, I shot .22 a 308 magnum and a 7.62 sniper rifle | |
| * James_Pain notices a red dot on his shirt | |
| <James_Pain> i think ill start running | |
| <GazzaK> you can run, but ya can't hide | |
| * James_Pain throws this paintball gun down and runs | |
| <James_Pain> wait i know | |
| <GazzaK> and anyways, a student, running, hahahaaa | |
| * James_Pain sings | |
| * GazzaK points gun on himself | |
| <James_Pain> it worked ^_^ | |
| <LoudMouthMan> true story: once in a pub whilst chatting with friends a known elephant bagger had left the conversation whilst we were talking about motorbikes. on his return we were talking about rifles ( which he didnt realise ) . Confdent as anything he exclaimed how well his Honda 303 used to work. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> note elephant bagger is a person for whom if you have an elephant they have a bag to put it in. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> they always go one better and do it publically! | |
| <GazzaK> I hate them | |
| <GazzaK> but I love it when they mess up | |
| <LoudMouthMan> its hard to spot though since some people are just being empathetic and trying to emote that they share an experience. others are just fools. | |
| <GazzaK> you gotta pity those fools | |
| * jayteeuk groans. | |
| <James_Pain> i'm trying to grasp what were are talking about, i'll just go back to the wiki | |
| <daviey> GazzaK has my pitty | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but this guy we lead him on for several minutes talking about kawzaki 22s and Mitisibushi Magnums, | |
| <GazzaK> cruel | |
| <LoudMouthMan> In college we called it . Uncles Garage. Kids who always had better but it was kept in an uncles garage. | |
| * gord has just realised that for the past 5 mins or so he has done nothing else but sit there and think about an elephant in a giant bag.... | |
| <GazzaK> boil in the bag nelly | |
| <daviey> I knew a guy we called 'Millions' - if you had done it, he had done it - well you guessed it. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gord , quick stop thinking about pink kangaroos then. | |
| <gord> pink kangaroos just make me think about bomberman | |
| <gord> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6408391.stm its always nice to see _someone_ stand upto a bully :) | |
| <James_Pain> lol, n1 gord | |
| <mrben> yeah | |
| <James_Pain> huh, 'faulty' fuel | |
| <James_Pain> thats a new one | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah but like all other bullies. the penalty does not outwiegh the advantages and so MS can make that money in a day and ignore the fines. now if it was on the scale of the alcatel ruling MS would be more inclined to try something else. | |
| <gord> I dunno, 2million a day fines last year ended up getting to 280million, microsoft is rich but they certainly can't ignore that | |
| <James_Pain> do you dislike microsoft or the software? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> who me ? | |
| <James_Pain> yer | |
| <gord> thats 360million dollars apprently | |
| <GazzaK> I dislike the company | |
| <James_Pain> and why? | |
| <gord> I dislike microsoft as its a bully, but I dislike an unfair marketplace even more | |
| <JohnRobert> LoudMouthMan: I've often gone on about how they should be fining microsoft a real crippling amount of money | |
| <JohnRobert> and plowing that money in to open source | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I neither like nor dislike the software . i object to the practices but then they are "good" practices. and I am concerned that people dont understand whats geting lost. | |
| <JohnRobert> bwahaha | |
| <James_Pain> intresting | |
| *** daviey is now known as daviey_ | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Ive worked for and with MS in the past. COM and DCOM are really great bits of technology which really do lend to scale and delivery but the lack of "access" and the inflexibility of the product are the detractors for m. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> me | |
| <gord> if we had a fair marketplace and still microsoft dominated then that would be something different, but its not fair and that leads to a worse situation for everyone apart from microsoft shareholders | |
| *** daviey_ is now known as Daviey | |
| <James_Pain> so if you took 1 bil away from MS the marketplace would be fair again? | |
| *** Daviey is now known as daviey | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I currently object to UK money being paid to an overseas company without security to uk investment. Even the MOD stalled JSF purchasing until they could be assured of full ownership of code. Our schoolkids and hobbyist kids today unless they gain access to FOSS will not have the opporutnities to explore and create on computers that people like you and i did. | |
| <gord> no no, the fines are just there to force microsoft to give up its unfair practices | |
| <gord> you know you'v had too much coffee when you can feel a vein in your skull thumping o_O | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: I grew up with only using proprietary software on school and home computers. The geeks will still play and explore. | |
| <James_Pain> thats never a good feeling, level it off with some water | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas your right . .but the parents of potential geeks wont know theres a choice and potential geeks may loose out. | |
| <JohnRobert> it's just a shame microsoft don't make microsoft linux | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, woo! I'm part of the unaffiliated project | |
| <JohnRobert> it'd probably be really good | |
| <daviey> JohnRobert, they would have to make a BSOD for kernel panic | |
| <JohnRobert> heh | |
| <JohnRobert> that's fine by me | |
| <JohnRobert> :p | |
| <dsas> possibly...My dad only knows there is a choice because I have introduced him to firefox...it is the kids who drive adoption in many ways. | |
| <JohnRobert> actually, ubuntu is nearing perfection anyway | |
| <dsas> JohnRobert: Rubbish! | |
| <JohnRobert> I still think the boot splash needs making nicer | |
| * dsas is feeling contrary today. | |
| <James_Pain> its got some time to go tobert | |
| <James_Pain> robert* | |
| <JohnRobert> that's ok James_Pan | |
| <JohnRobert> James_Pain* | |
| <James_Pain> :P | |
| <daviey> gord, whats a QUSTION? :P | |
| <ubot3_> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: court <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/135685.html> | |
| <dsas> JohnRobert: i can't wave my hands and say "show me the photos of the other weekend that contain garry, barry, resize them and email a copy off. | |
| <gord> its what someone who has had too much coffee types | |
| <LoudMouthMan> that explains ME then . | |
| <GazzaK> daviey, told ye | |
| <jayteeuk> JohnRobert: Have you seen the boot splash in Feisty? | |
| <JohnRobert> no, is it nicer? | |
| <daviey> not really | |
| <daviey> it's slightly more polished - human look | |
| <JohnRobert> I don't like the black | |
| <gord> I think I heard som't about usplash using the framebuffer or some such so that there can be more colour in the splash... although in all honesty I could of drempt that | |
| <daviey> i don't like the fact that the progress bar isn't smooth - freezes halfway and there is no text (like dapper) | |
| <jayteeuk> It's a matter of personal opinion, but I think the splash in Feisty looks more polished than Edgy. | |
| <daviey> gord, thats true - it's userspace aswell | |
| <jayteeuk> daviey: I think you can get the text back by removing the quiet option from the grub command line. | |
| <gord> its kinda hard to get a smooth progress bar, its just running though the RC scripts and they return when they return | |
| <JohnRobert> tbh, I think it could all do with a bit of polish | |
| <gord> well.. apart from getting a faster computer with some sort of ram hard-drive anyway ;) so smooth you prolly won't even see it ;) | |
| <daviey> true; i would also like networking to be truly background'ed | |
| <JohnRobert> a new gnome theme is needed, although making themes is probably the worst job ever | |
| <gord> id be happy if they would just change the hard-drive recheck to be every 30 days instead of 30 reboots be default -_- | |
| <JohnRobert> hheh | |
| <JohnRobert> that is a bit annoying | |
| <JohnRobert> especially with my laptop, but it's easily changed | |
| <JohnRobert> well, easy ish | |
| <daviey> JohnRobert, i would prefer a warning when you boot up saying "you are due a check, do it now? (RECOMMENDED)" | |
| <dsas> JohnRobert: The ubuntu-art team made about 4 themes in the last cycle. | |
| <dsas> some people out there really enjoy it :) | |
| <gord> I think the current ubuntu look is fine for now, a new look is welcome but not needed, there needs to be improvements to the icon stuff though perhaps | |
| <gord> prolly need some beryl themes once that starts getting going in ubuntu, whenever that may be | |
| <daviey> i droped the human theme and went for a 'blue' look. I also dropped the ubuntu flag in favour of gnomes | |
| * dsas loves the brown | |
| <daviey> gord, currently compiz is bundled in feisty! | |
| <dsas> gord: compiz is installed by default. | |
| <JohnRobert> yes, it's not needed, but I think it could be a little sharper. I'd also highly appreciate it if the gnome folks made things a bit smaller...you simply can't get as much on the screen as you can in windows | |
| <JohnRobert> even if you make all the fonts and stuff really small | |
| <JohnRobert> it's the size of the buttons etc | |
| <gord> yes I know, but I mean once it gets going, accelerated desktop by default so to speak, which mark isn't happy with yet | |
| <JohnRobert> wouldn't be a prob if my screen did more than 1024x768 | |
| <JohnRobert> :/ | |
| <RagonichaFulva> Hi everyone! | |
| <gord> 1024x768 is not the recomended resolution JohnRobert ;) you can make gnome do things like be default only display icons or text instead of both in the toolbar to get a smaller look though | |
| <RagonichaFulva> does anyone know if files occupy more Mbytes in xt3 than in NTFS? | |
| <JohnRobert> erm | |
| <JohnRobert> a file is the size it is | |
| <RagonichaFulva> that's what I thought | |
| <gord> there is however a different ammount of overhead that each filesystem uses, for example thats why I have a 40gb drive here but I could never store 40gb worth of files in there, more like 36 or so | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Did you submit a talk for guadec? | |
| <RagonichaFulva> but I am trying to copy some info from one disk to another (they are the same size) but the ext3 partition doesn't allow me to use it fully | |
| <RagonichaFulva> it's 43 Gbytes but it allows me to use just 40 | |
| <RagonichaFulva> :S | |
| <RagonichaFulva> thet's weird | |
| <RagonichaFulva> that's weird | |
| <gord> it has to store other information like permitions and where the file actually is on your hard-drive | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas yes . how users fsck desktops. | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Cool, thos said he was hoping for deployment stories and the like - the view from the users. Fingers crossed I guess! | |
| <DaveMorris> grrr, whats wrong with my mysql statement? | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, but 2 Gbytes of information about permissions? that's far too much | |
| <DaveMorris> SELECT * FROM group WHERE unix_group_name="por"; | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas ask thos if he has seen it then cause ive had nothing back and im getting down that ive applied to four seperate opportunities and had no feedback. im clearly not popey enough for them ! | |
| <gord> RagonichaFulva, ntfs does this also, its standard and its _needed_ | |
| <DaveMorris> RagonichaFulva: Its the file table etc | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Maybe they won't until all the papers are in. Ross Burton is looking after the paper choosing, I guess he's the person to get in touch with.. | |
| <gord> each filesystem uses a different ammount of space to store its information depending on chunk size and such, but they all hover around the same size | |
| * LoudMouthMan cant remember whom he emailed dsas but if your still heading up Ubuntu-uk at guadec can I ask you to poke anyone appropriate for me . cheers. | |
| <RagonichaFulva> I couldn't imagine that it would take so much space to store that information :S | |
| <RagonichaFulva> I had this partition in NTFS at this info din't take so much space | |
| <RagonichaFulva> that's why I think it's so strange | |
| <jayteeuk> DaveMorris: WHERE unix_group_name='por'; perhaps? | |
| <DaveMorris> no, table was called groups | |
| <gord> it always supprises people RagonichaFulva ;) theres a lot more in the low level stuff than most people realise, for example if you have a chunk size of say 4kb (which is pretty small these days but hey..), what each 4kb chunk on your hard-drive is linked to has to be stored. Im sure you can imagine that there are a lot of 4kb chunks | |
| <jayteeuk> Yeah, that'd do it. | |
| <DaveMorris> but instead of saying "Not table by that name" it spat an error | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, but there is a great difference between NTFS and EXT3... I think there shouldn't be... do you know why? | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, the technical reason ;) | |
| <gord> RagonichaFulva, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_comparison <-- there you can see there are a lot of differences between NTFS and EXT3 | |
| <gord> you should remeber that NTFS is quite an old filesystem now and doesn't have the features of our fantastic free software ones ;) | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, thanks, mate! I'll give it a glance! A folk in ubuntu-es says there shouldn't be much difference | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, I'll read it and I'll correct him if he's in a mistake | |
| <daviey> PriceChild, better late than never eh? | |
| <PriceChild> daviey, I'd Completely forgotten about it :( | |
| <daviey> you haven't missed too much | |
| <gord> np RagonichaFulva :) | |
| <PriceChild> daviey, when did it start? | |
| <PriceChild> one of the other forum mods poked me asking why i wasn't int here cuz there was a lot of dev<->community questions and i'd been helping out with forum-ambassadors | |
| <daviey> bout 3:00 | |
| <daviey> It's logged isn't it? | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, not a very explicit link... in this one there is a test comparative: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 | |
| <daviey> PriceChild, get a question in quick if you want. Ending soon | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, as far as it says, ReiserFS is the best valued | |
| <PriceChild> Yeah its logged and I've got no questions :) | |
| <gord> yeah, if you want to use something thats evil RagonichaFulva ;) | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, and it actually says that Ext3 has the worst inital capacity | |
| <RagonichaFulva> :D | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, Devil? Why? Isn't it free? | |
| <RagonichaFulva> I don't know much about it | |
| <gord> the guy who made it was arrested for the murder of his wife | |
| <RagonichaFulva> gord, hahahah! really?! | |
| <RagonichaFulva> my goodness! | |
| <gord> its not actually funny | |
| <RagonichaFulva> oh, no... | |
| <RagonichaFulva> I don't think it's funny | |
| <RagonichaFulva> what is funny is that I expected any other answer but that | |
| <gord> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser | |
| <RagonichaFulva> I was laughing at my nuisance | |
| <daviey> Has anybody got a pen, in the Hampshire area i could borrow? | |
| <gord> I have loads, I could put one on a local bus and hope it gets to you if you want? or perhaps throw it in the general direction and hope a friendly pigeon helps it on its way? | |
| <daviey> where are you, i could pick it up | |
| * popey is in hampshire and has pens | |
| <gord> Im over in crewe, rather far away in the north west ;) | |
| * popey prefers xfs over ext3 | |
| <daviey> hmm bit far | |
| <daviey> popey, do you need my MAC address for the next hantslug meet? | |
| <gord> i just uses ext3 because its been a rock for me, I would say that xfs is a better file system though. makes me wonder when Ill change to ext4 | |
| <popey> me personally, no | |
| <popey> hugo does | |
| <popey> but the next meeting is not in southampton | |
| <daviey> WHAT? | |
| <popey> YES | |
| <daviey> aldershot is to far, re-arrange it for me | |
| <daviey> :P | |
| <popey> we alternate between south and north | |
| <popey> it is very convenient for me | |
| <daviey> Do you think the family would consider it an 'outing'? | |
| <popey> I suspect highly not. | |
| <popey> I highly suspect not. | |
| <jayteeuk> daviey: If your family is anything like mine, no. | |
| <JohnRobert> we ought to have more LUG meetings | |
| <JohnRobert> I quite enjoyed the last one | |
| <jayteeuk> I've only ever been to one "unofficial" South Derbyshire LUG meeting. | |
| <JohnRobert> I used to live in derby | |
| <jayteeuk> Never been to an official one. | |
| <popey> we have ours without fail every month | |
| <JohnRobert> If I worked for ECS I could probably set one up | |
| <popey> have done for a few years now | |
| <popey> setup one what? | |
| <JohnRobert> a meet | |
| <JohnRobert> extra one | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <JohnRobert> but I work in a tiny little office full of junk | |
| <jayteeuk> brb | |
| <JohnRobert> actually, we have a room... | |
| <JohnRobert> hmm | |
| <popey> we may lose the ECS building soon | |
| <JohnRobert> once again though, it's full of equip | |
| <JohnRobert> however, that *could* be moved | |
| <JohnRobert> or even used | |
| <JohnRobert> hmm | |
| <gord> Iv never fancied the idea of joining whatever my local lug is... living in a working class part of south cheshire (a largely rich area) doesn't fill me with enthusiasm | |
| <popey> why? | |
| <daviey> 'cause gord is class-ist? | |
| <gord> the class system seems to be very much in effect around this kind of area, most people I have met from less working class areas in south cheshire have not been nice people | |
| <gord> and their cars have been too nice | |
| <popey> what has that got to do with linux? | |
| <gord> its not, its todo with people. my linux communitys are fine as they are :) | |
| <daviey> AFAIK there are two types of linux users; Those with beards & Those that cant really use linux | |
| <daviey> class doesn't come into it | |
| <popey> do you consider yourself working class then gord ? | |
| <daviey> he's a ruffian | |
| <daviey> probably wears hoods aswell | |
| <DaveMorris> I wear hoodies :P | |
| <daviey> DaveMorris, do you ready epic novels and are a fan of star wars? | |
| <DaveMorris> you mean? | |
| <DaveMorris> no/its ok | |
| <DaveMorris> I guessed you mean read rather than ready | |
| <daviey> sorry yes | |
| <gord> not particularly, but I come from working class roots, I do working class work but I am my own person. people do treat you different when you mention things like that though, not to mention some jealously on my part of people who start out with more in life, you have to understand that some parts of south cheshire are _reeeeeally_ rich ;) I think alderly edge is like the richest in the country | |
| <popey> it is one of them , yes | |
| <daviey> Anyway, i'm going home - speak later all | |
| <popey> what job do you do that is working class? | |
| <daviey> bye | |
| <popey> mate of mine works for puma designing footballs, considers himself working class because his dad was | |
| <popey> which I found odd | |
| <gord> I move things from one side of a warehouse to another side of the warehouse, the annoying thing Is that I spend most of my time thinking about how it would be better done by robots, lucky I keep my mouth shut ;) | |
| <DaveMorris> job isn't all the depends class. I could be working at Tesco's stacking shelves but still considered middle class | |
| <DaveMorris> I think it has more to do with your attitude towards things and your values | |
| <popey> i rarely even consider class | |
| <popey> its not something that i ever think about | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah I go by each persons merits | |
| <JohnRobert> I don't think there are classes are there? | |
| <dotwaffle> Hey all. USB Sticks. Want to boot Ubuntu off one - any thoughts? Would be nice as a portable demonstration platform, and a darn slight quicker than CD... | |
| <dotwaffle> (plus persistent data) | |
| <DaveMorris> although it does bother me when people expect me to look up at them | |
| <popey> you can do persistent data with a usb stick and cdrom | |
| <gord> class isn't a big thing, but I think its still there. you just get reminders when for example a friend of mine didn't know what an ex council house was | |
| <popey> problem with usb booting is not all machines can do it | |
| <gord> dotwaffle, make sure your bios can do it first ;) | |
| <popey> gord: I think you are categorising ignorace as class | |
| <dotwaffle> popey: The machines I'd be doing it on would be USB bootable. Almost certain. The issue here is, I want to be able to install packages etc in addition to what's on teh LiveCD - can you do that? Ie/ does it use some kind of unionfs jiggery pokery? | |
| <popey> you can install onto usb disk | |
| <popey> there is a wiki page for it | |
| <popey> you using flash or a usb hard disk? | |
| <popey> usb hard disk would rock - especially a laptop one | |
| <popey> be about as fast as local disk | |
| <popey> no power cable, nice and small | |
| <dotwaffle> popey: haven't bouht anything yet - looking at a 4GB USB drive, possibly with U3. | |
| <gord> I keep maening to get a flash/ram drive.. been wanting one of those for years.. just to watch my computer boot up in like 3 seconds or som't -_- | |
| <dotwaffle> popey: just looking for the wiki page now. | |
| <popey> woooot.. | |
| <dotwaffle> sound | |
| <dotwaffle> found even | |
| * popey has successfully remotely install whitebox linux in a qemu virtual machine over vnc tunnelled over ssh to home \o/ | |
| <dotwaffle> :) nice | |
| <JohnRobert> heh, you mean what hugo was talking about popey? | |
| <popey> que? | |
| <popey> the booking system for the rooms is changing | |
| <JohnRobert> hugo mentioned that at the last lug meeting when we were sat looking at my qemu thing | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <popey> yeah kinda | |
| <popey> i have a nice monster desktop at home... | |
| <Seeker`> lo | |
| <GazzaK> popey, are you busy? | |
| <popey> Cpu0 : 1.1%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.7%id, 0.3%wa, 0.1%hi, 0.6%si, 0.0%st | |
| <popey> Cpu1 : 1.6%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.1%id, 0.1%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st | |
| <popey> Mem: 2075852k total, 2023684k used, 52168k free, 12228k buffers | |
| <popey> and at work, I ssh to home... | |
| <popey> Swap: 6072528k total, 25888k used, 6046640k free, 1654212k cached | |
| <popey> tunnell 5910 to the desktop and run qemu with -vnc :10 | |
| <popey> on my work pc, vnc to localhost:10 and magically see the installer running under qemu at home | |
| <popey> GazzaK: go ahead caller | |
| <GazzaK> popey, that sounds technical :p | |
| <GazzaK> popey, it's a lug thingy question, MySQL details :-) I know I've been a pain | |
| <gord> ahh fun, time to go get ready for my working class job :P ;) ta ta people | |
| <popey> you are not a a pain GazzaK | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <GazzaK> can we go pm? | |
| <JohnRobert> I wonder if highfield school would let us use a room for the lug | |
| <popey> yes GazzaK | |
| <JohnRobert> dunno what kind of internet connection they'ed have | |
| * GazzaK has always wanted a pm with popey | |
| <popey> o_O | |
| <JohnRobert> but I'm pretty sure the primary school next to the church has rooms for functions | |
| <JohnRobert> plus it's opposite my house | |
| <constrictor> going home | |
| <Seeker`> woo! Beryl works again! | |
| <jayteeuk> Blimey it's turned chilly today. :S | |
| <PriceChild> jono, I'm remembering your new years predictions... adobe releasing one of their products on Linux... does online photoshop count? ;) | |
| <jono> PriceChild: heh, I doubt it, but I will say it does if we don't get a Linux version | |
| <PriceChild> hehe :) | |
| <tsmithe> @lart jono for making so much money so fast | |
| <jono> tsmithe: :) | |
| <tsmithe> mrgh :P | |
| <PriceChild> tsmithe, No I'm not going to donate for your little trip before you ask. | |
| <PriceChild> s/for/to/ | |
| <tsmithe> pah | |
| <tsmithe> it's not little either :P | |
| <PriceChild> Hey LoudMouthMan, its been 3 days :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yes Pricechild and I completely forget the relevance help out an old guy ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh wait ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah I get the relevance <Grin. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> lets do it ! pwhhht. your server or mine ? | |
| * PriceChild nods understanding everything..... 8-) | |
| <PriceChild> Erm mine so I can have a play :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> then make it so and let me have the list details so I can subscribe and then lets get more more forum active. | |
| <popey> LoudMouthMan: is this for forum/mailing list integration? | |
| <PriceChild> LoudMouthMan, actually maybe you should make it 8-) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey : yeah its a test to see what happens when the forum posts to a mail list and when a maillist post to a forum. | |
| <popey> using a test mailing list of some kind? | |
| <popey> if you want more testers, just shout | |
| <PriceChild> LoudMouthMan, maybe we could have a little rant at jo no as to why we haven't had a reply from canonical? :P | |
| <LoudMouthMan> not so much does it blend, but does it bridge. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> SHOUT | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah okay . gimme a mo Illgo set up a mail list. | |
| <PriceChild> :) | |
| * PriceChild starts pming ubuntu-geek | |
| <popey> the long run is integrate with ubuntu-uk yes? | |
| <popey> assuming all works okay? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Pricechild . because its not jono s problem I percieve. | |
| <PriceChild> popey, If it doesn't get flooded too much :) | |
| <PriceChild> LoudMouthMan, yeah but he's a canonical guy ;) | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey yes . but more to test and check and see if it works or if its rubbish . <grin> | |
| <popey> cool | |
| * LoudMouthMan just realised that popey is a list addict , mentioning a list in channel only feeds his addiction ! | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <popey> and a forum hater too | |
| <popey> so a double whammy of fun | |
| * PriceChild ducks | |
| <popey> but if all this works, I have no problem with it of course | |
| <popey> because I wont have to go near the forums :) | |
| <popey> and PriceChild wont have to go near the list | |
| <popey> \o/ everyone wins | |
| <PriceChild> hehe :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> http://butlershouse.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/forumtesters there you go , subscribe if you wish | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Pricechild so next step is getting new posts from Forum into the list, second step is getting new posts from the list upto the forum. um . so lets get started then. | |
| <popey> LoudMouthMan: pipermail not setup? | |
| <popey> so no archive | |
| <PriceChild> LoudMouthMan, I'll pm ubuntu-geek now and get him to get in :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey no archive yet .. sheesh gimme a chance <grin> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> typing newlist was about 30 econds. ive never bothered with pipermail part because theres like 3 lists on my pc . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> also tonight im baby sitting so post 8pm is better to do work <Grin> | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <popey> i know that feeling | |
| <popey> ooo 10 mins till home time | |
| <LoudMouthMan> there pipers up | |
| <LoudMouthMan> brb 40 mins | |
| <tsmithe> @lart GazzaK | |
| <tsmithe> Ubugtu? | |
| <X3N> If one had a bunch of linux workstations how would you centralise their authentication ? | |
| <GazzaK> hammer?> | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I just got an email from a new client . they are going ahead with dropping SBS in favour of Ubuntu Server. | |
| <GazzaK> yay | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, being nosy, but how much ya gonna make on that? | |
| * GazzaK wants to go freelance | |
| <X3N> i don't see anything open source that allows centralised authentication | |
| <X3N> openldap has the ability but it's pretty arsey | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gazzak ive paged you seperately | |
| <LoudMouthMan> X3N . so is ADS <grin> | |
| <X3N> yeah, but ADS is supposed to be arse | |
| <X3N> it's in it's specification i hear | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well fautley and I have both talked about implementing LDAP as an Addressbook and authenticatoin service. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but to be honest samba as a PDC isnt to bad for windows stuff on its own. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> depends on the size of your implementation . | |
| <X3N> medium sized business | |
| <LoudMouthMan> okay number of users ? | |
| <X3N> ~45 | |
| <X3N> it seems easier to use AD integration for linux is pretty good | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well ldap is about suitable from there onwards ., or Samba | |
| <X3N> what would you suggest if it was smaller ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> samba and just manual intervention | |
| <LoudMouthMan> scus me a bit | |
| <X3N> this is in the scenario that all the PCs are running desktop linux | |
| <LoudMouthMan> X3N . well if they are running Linux and you need a central login presumably from the desktop window manager login you need to authenticate back to the main server ? | |
| <X3N> yeah | |
| <X3N> just been reading a white paper on ldap, it's not quite as scary as their home page implies | |
| <LoudMouthMan> X3N i also wrote a large document and did a presentation on it http://sussex.lug.org.uk/presentations/ldap-addrbooks.pdf ill send you the document as soon as i can relocate it from archives. | |
| <Seeker`> does anyone know how i can start a phone call from my linux box, and then when it is connected play a wav file down the phone | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wchat ? | |
| <Seeker`> wchat is a telnet chat server? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah i just discovered that ...grrr hang on ... | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wvdial ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> there we go . | |
| <Norf-ubu> G'day | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: Any idea what "no carrier" means? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> its not picking up a signal after tryingto establish a conversation . | |
| <Seeker`> i am trying to make a call over my mobile phone | |
| <Seeker`> any ideas? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hmmm seeker` id have to say im not conversant on wvdial it was like 6 years ago ! sorry . but you kinda dont want it to try and finish the call so you want it to exit when the phone stops ringing . I do remember this was possible. but its like forever ago | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yes it was a thing called STUPID mode . | |
| <GazzaK> stupid mode, my fav mode :-) | |
| <daviey> Seeker`, maybe bloatware - but asterisk will do the job nicely | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oooh good point . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> right im babysitting tonight so ive got the checklist . 1 ) curry on order 2) beers in fridge 3) crappy b movie ( My Super ex girlfriend ) . Excellent ! | |
| * daviey has a crying 2 year old | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Ive got a new Sky movies game its called find a night that Owen or Luke Wilson are not on Sky Movies or box office some how. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> lol | |
| <popey> amazon shipped me SoaP today :) | |
| <GazzaK> soap? as in the washing stuff? | |
| * GazzaK lost sky one today :'( | |
| <LoudMouthMan> no as in snakes on a motherf**k**gplane heheh | |
| <GazzaK> popey, thats sad | |
| <GazzaK> I feel sorry for you | |
| <LoudMouthMan> snakes from amazon .. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh the ironing | |
| <popey> heh | |
| * popey has bought a game | |
| <popey> two in fact | |
| <LoudMouthMan> got your wii then ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but what you get ? | |
| <popey> oh i have had a wii a while | |
| <popey> no, these are linux games :) | |
| <popey> defcon and darwinia | |
| <popey> 10 quid each | |
| <popey> bargain | |
| <LoudMouthMan> indeed. | |
| <popey> and | |
| <popey> LINUX GAMES! | |
| <popey> take *that* windows weenies | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah but its no BF2 or BF2142 or WoW<grin> but yeah its linux games <grin> . its at least a more productive time waste than playing with beyrl | |
| <daviey> LoudMouthMan, is beryl taking over your life aswell | |
| <daviey> ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> no . i dont do graphics and stuff . my workstations are pretty boring in terms of bling. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh cool Eddie Izzard ! | |
| * daviey curses closed source drivers | |
| <daviey> and no doubt LoudMouthMan ncurses them ;) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heheh not me .. im not a purist. | |
| <daviey> i'm not a purist - just want them to bleedin' work | |
| <LoudMouthMan> brb | |
| <LoudMouthMan> grrrrr the conundrum .. little girl possibly waking up needing comfort vs awaiting curry order ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> plus popey some of those bad guys in darwinia look like tron bad guys | |
| <popey> \o/ hotel booked for lrl 07 | |
| <Bagnaj97> I havent been reading for a while and sorry to piss on your parade popey, but last time I checked they hadnt released the linux port of Defcon | |
| <popey> Bagnaj97: i am playing it right now | |
| <popey> on linux | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <Bagnaj97> You mean they released it :-) | |
| <popey> a beta, yeah | |
| * Bagnaj97 goes to download, having paid months ago | |
| <popey> there is a link in the forums | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, curry wins | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <popey> Leningrad hit 8.5M dead! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> nah curry does not win ! it had not arrived ! | |
| <popey> Gorky hit 2.6M dead | |
| <popey> this game is really rather good | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey is living out his teenage years again ! | |
| <popey> yup! | |
| <popey> Order missile strike! | |
| <popey> recall the bombers! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> bit harsh for a curry house isnt it ? | |
| <X3N> http://www.banksy.co.uk/indoors/02.html :) | |
| <ikonia> evening all | |
| <GazzaK> morning ikonia | |
| <ikonia> you're everywhere | |
| <ikonia> its only 9:05pm hardly morning | |
| <GazzaK> not everywhere | |
| <ikonia> you're a few places I am | |
| <ikonia> I suppose thats similar interests for you | |
| <GazzaK> yeah | |
| <cinex> hi | |
| <X3N> moo! | |
| <X3N> good evening cinex | |
| <cinex> how goes it ? | |
| <X3N> pretty good | |
| <cinex> so you lot managed to get a school converted to foss yet ? | |
| <X3N> don't think we can be credited as directly responsible, but we certainly promote it | |
| <cinex> activly ? | |
| <James_Pain> hello boys and girls from ubuntu-uk | |
| <PriceChild> hi | |
| <popey> hello | |
| <James_Pain> :) | |
| <popey> hello ikonia | |
| <GazzaK> hello | |
| <ikonia> hello | |
| <James_Pain> i've started a chain of hellos ^^ | |
| <Seeker`> argh! | |
| <stdin> oh, hello :) | |
| <Seeker`> Why cant i make my phone act like a voice menu | |
| <Seeker`> s/menu/modem | |
| <popey> you can with asterisk | |
| <popey> oh | |
| <popey> maybe not :) | |
| <Seeker`> it only supports FCLASS=0 | |
| <Seeker`> which means just data modem | |
| <Seeker`> and i dont understand asterisk | |
| <DaveMorris> how can I get better ratings on google etc for my project? | |
| <popey> what project? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> what google ? | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <popey> hosting for ubuntu-uk now sorted | |
| <popey> phew | |
| * popey has mailed the list about it | |
| <DaveMorris> http://csdev.it.brighton.ac.uk/projects/por/ | |
| <cinex> does anybody know where I can go to learn about encrypting my laptop ? (perferably with the use of a 'dongle' | |
| <cinex> ) | |
| <DaveMorris> did you want the hard drvie decypted at run time, so only the stuff in ram is un encrpyted | |
| <DaveMorris> or jsut your home partation | |
| <popey> cinex: seen truecrypt? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> thanks popey . a quick search for smurf in my home dir turns up nothing on that email ! | |
| <cinex> seen it on google yeah | |
| * LoudMouthMan scratches head and looks into where his list mail is being filtered into then ! | |
| <cinex> DaveMorris: I want my lost/stolen laptop to keep my secrets | |
| <cinex> (for as long as possible) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but hey popey/x3n someone could have kicked me . it was addressed to me ! grrr ! reasons I hate email for urgent traffic number 1. ive not got any mail for 20-22nd an 24th to 26th. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but thanks for sorting it popey. | |
| <DaveMorris> why was it so urgent? | |
| <popey> the server had a disk failure | |
| <DaveMorris> so any ideas on how to make my project easier to find via search engines? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> matthew emailed us about needing to move the hosting . I didnt get that message so he ( appropriately though ) mailed the list ! the serrver is dying. Ive got a big gap in Ubutu UK postings on my server though. If i were to look harder theres probably more. I cant be arsed to look closely now. but im betting some mail list stuff is not getting down to me from up on high in my delivery . | |
| <popey> well its okay now | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and furhter back it goes. 3 days the week before. | |
| <popey> (the site, not your mail) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and 2 days the week before that .. wierd. it helps ubuntu uk is busy but im going to drop some spamassasin and mailscanner rules for a while cause it seems to be when im mucking around with clam ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> here comes the Spam again <sulk> | |
| <DaveMorris> I hate the fact you can't buy old hardware, Looking on ebuyer I can hardly find any PCI graphics cards for instance | |
| <popey> do you want one DaveMorris ? | |
| <popey> I have an ATI one here | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah | |
| <DaveMorris> > 8MB? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so where are we now popey ? | |
| <popey> pass | |
| <DaveMorris> I have some old 2MB ones | |
| <popey> where are we now with what? | |
| <popey> this is fairly decent DaveMorris | |
| <popey> as good as a pci card gets I guess | |
| <LoudMouthMan> where are we now hosted | |
| <DaveMorris> how much? | |
| <popey> my server | |
| <popey> dunno, let me see how much they go for on ebay | |
| <LoudMouthMan> of course <grin> just avoid getting dugg okay ! | |
| <popey> its in the garage, one mo | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> it's been upgraded :p | |
| <DaveMorris> server or card in the garage? | |
| <James_Pain> ooohhhhh no | |
| <James_Pain> darn, feck and.......darn | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <James_Pain> its my birthday on saturday | |
| <popey> sorry DaveMorris I was wrong, its AGP :( | |
| <popey> the card was in the garage | |
| <James_Pain> :( | |
| <DaveMorris> is mine on Monday | |
| <popey> my old popey.com server was inthe garage | |
| <popey> but is now in telehouse | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well i have plenty of old style pci cards . Davemorris . send me your spec if your after something specific. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah i got the server in telehouse. I thought you hosted with grifferz ? | |
| <DaveMorris> works with ubuntu and >8MB is for a 3rd monitor at work | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey wass this related to X3N needing the DNS key ? | |
| <popey> DNS key? | |
| <popey> dunno what one of those is | |
| <LoudMouthMan> probably not then . | |
| <popey> time for beddy bies | |
| <popey> nn | |
| <DaveMorris> is there a quick 5 min way to set exim to use a smarthost or shall I do it tomorrow? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config | |
| <popey> tell it you want to send via a smarthost | |
| <DaveMorris> thanks | |
| <popey> and when prompted, tell it the name of the smarthost | |
| <popey> easy | |
| <popey> i did this for all my internal servers, they send through one box | |
| <popey> works a treat | |
| <popey> right, really bed now |