| <klimraamkosie> :) | |
| <Vhata> you're very happy. | |
| <Vhata> I disapprove | |
| <Seeker_952> hehe | |
| <linuxboy> http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/629 | |
| * Vhata is not AsianCat | |
| <linuxboy> oh | |
| <linuxboy> news to me | |
| <klimraamkosie> I'm moderately happy. | |
| <edubuntugirl> meeaauw!! | |
| <linuxboy> damn | |
| <linuxboy> that is odd | |
| <klimraamkosie> hey, some more stellenbosch people | |
| <klimraamkosie> great | |
| <Vhata> heh | |
| <Vhata> 'ilton | |
| <klimraamkosie> Any of you guys running Beryl? | |
| <Vhata> klimraamkosie: linuxboy and I | |
| <Seeker_952> I tried a few times | |
| <klimraamkosie> Running it here too, can you increase the amount of desktops? I've tried, without any luck. | |
| <linuxboy> shame | |
| <linuxboy> just turn on BURN | |
| <linuxboy> it rocks | |
| <Vhata> klimraamkosie: to what number? | |
| <klimraamkosie> 6 maybe | |
| <klimraamkosie> I've tried 6, didn't work. | |
| * Vhata wonders what the cube will look like with 6 sides | |
| * highvoltage beryl++ | |
| <klimraamkosie> one on top, and one on the bottom. | |
| <klimraamkosie> They should change it from a cube to whatever has 6 sides (+2) | |
| <klimraamkosie> I want more! :( | |
| <Vhata> what on earth for? | |
| <Vhata> I mean, I agree that you should be able to have as many as you want | |
| <Vhata> but why *do* you want so many? | |
| <klimraamkosie> Well, i'm doing quite a few things at once. | |
| <klimraamkosie> And I don't want to minimize/maximize all the time... | |
| <Vhata> so am I | |
| <Vhata> four is more than enoguh | |
| <klimraamkosie> You can set "number of desktops" in beryl. | |
| <klimraamkosie> But it doesn't really do anything. | |
| <klimraamkosie> Four is enough for you yes. | |
| <linuxboy> beryl is still buggy | |
| <klimraamkosie> Yeah, I noticed haha | |
| <Vhata> klimraamkosie: I want to know what you put on all your desktops ;-) | |
| <klimraamkosie> I'd like 2 screens with one cube on each | |
| <klimraamkosie> That should be enough | |
| <highvoltage> enough for? | |
| <Vhata> for his bajillion windows | |
| <Vhata> which he won't describe | |
| <highvoltage> excellent | |
| <klimraamkosie> Ok lets see, at the moment, one is for chatting. i.e. gaim and IRC and email. | |
| <klimraamkosie> With email maximized. I don't have a 30" LCD | |
| <klimraamkosie> 17" 1280x1024 | |
| <klimraamkosie> Next is for coding. Have firefox open and editors | |
| <klimraamkosie> Then there's my arb browsing desktop, with all my reading things, like RSS etc. | |
| <klimraamkosie> And finally (#4) pricelists/quoting/invoicing for my business. | |
| <klimraamkosie> I think I should rather get another PC give it my 19" CRT and run windows on it for quoting stuff. MS Office is superior. | |
| <klimraamkosie> And then get the dual 22" setup here for the coding. | |
| <klimraamkosie> That should work | |
| *** Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman | |
| <klimraamkosie> There you have it Vhata | |
| <Vhata> I use liferea for RSS, and Gaim, but both of them disappear to my notification area, and pop up with shortcut keys or an icon click, so they don't take up any desktop space at all | |
| <klimraamkosie> RSS + firefox on things I need to read. | |
| <Vhata> desktop one is my terminal, which has tabs, so I can have irssi and my coding and stuff in tabs on one window on that desktop, no minimizing required | |
| <klimraamkosie> can't put firefox in 'taskbar' can I ? | |
| <Vhata> desktop two is firefox, with tabs, so no minimizing needed there | |
| <klimraamkosie> Can't have just one firefox on this side :) | |
| <klimraamkosie> seperate business/coding/pleasure | |
| <Vhata> desktop three is my mail | |
| <Vhata> um | |
| <klimraamkosie> :) | |
| <Vhata> my point is, lots of stuff can be disappeared, or embedded in tabs, to free up space | |
| <Vhata> but ja | |
| <Vhata> you have more stuff than me | |
| <klimraamkosie> I think 4 should be enough | |
| <Vhata> but i'm only using three desktops, with one window in each, and I'm still doing lots | |
| <klimraamkosie> But it makes me feel clausterphobic | |
| <klimraamkosie> haha | |
| <klimraamkosie> Ok shopping time. | |
| <klimraamkosie> Vhata: You going to move when you start the other job? | |
| <Vhata> yup | |
| <klimraamkosie> :( That's not so cool. | |
| <klimraamkosie> Anyhow, later :) | |
| <Vhata> cheers | |
| <morgs> craigaa: hi, I'm popping out now but should be back before 4 | |
| *** craigaa_ is now known as craigaa | |
| * morgs is back | |
| <craigaa> Greetings everyone | |
| <morgs> Hear ye, hear ye, meeting about our website is now in session! | |
| * craigaa whacks morgs with his gavel | |
| <craigaa> is everyone away? | |
| <morgs> highvoltage: around? | |
| <Seeker_952> I'm here now | |
| <morgs> craigaa: Any news on that DNS update PGP thing? | |
| <craigaa> no response from Matthias as yet. | |
| <craigaa> My impression is that he incorrectly encrypted the msg | |
| <craigaa> or my pgp has gone on strike | |
| <morgs> Possibly. I got the same response from Evolution, although he doesn't have my key AFAIK. | |
| <morgs> Have you tried using gpg on the text in the body? | |
| <craigaa> The error message is strange indicating that he encrypted it without a key | |
| <craigaa> I've done tests to check functionality in the past | |
| <morgs> I'll dig out my key and mail him too then. That's the issue of DNS for the site. | |
| <morgs> The other issue is Canonical's hosting. | |
| <craigaa> yup | |
| <craigaa> If anyone is listening, have you all looked at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting ? | |
| <Seeker_952> I have but you know that already :) | |
| <morgs> Anybody other than craigaa, Seeker_952 and morgs who wants to participate, please say hi | |
| <TheOddOne> hi | |
| <craigaa> I guess my theme music for today is going to have to be Simon and Garfunkel | |
| <GrandPOps_> Hi - just came back to check if anyone was home | |
| <craigaa> howzit | |
| <ghoztly> hi | |
| <GrandPOps_> Not sure what I can contribute ... | |
| <craigaa> Essentially, we are having to relocate the ubuntu-za.org server | |
| <craigaa> this gives us the opportunity to start from a blank slate | |
| <morgs> If we don't get Matthew Nuzum to sort us out with the Canonical hosting by the end of the week, we will have to make another plan (temporarily)... | |
| <craigaa> the question is - do we replicate what has already been done or... | |
| <craigaa> do we do something different | |
| <craigaa> timing is a factor too | |
| <craigaa> as morgs said above :-) | |
| <GrandPOps_> I just looked at the wiki - anything wrong with it? | |
| <morgs> We could copy the existing content onto the new server, or we could put the non-out-of-date content from our server onto wiki.ubuntu.com/SouthAfricanTeam, or we could start with new content | |
| <morgs> GrandPOps_: quite a lot of it is out of date, and very few people have contributed in a consistent way. | |
| <morgs> So what is going to work for people in a long term way? | |
| <craigaa> GrandPOps_ : it's not really an issue of there being anything wrong... but rather an opportunity to change | |
| <GrandPOps_> Get you - so there are two issues - 1 where do we host it and 2 should we start from scratch or try and fix? | |
| <craigaa> essentially - yes | |
| <craigaa> I think that we can all agree (?) that we need to stick with a wiki? | |
| <morgs> craigaa: +1 | |
| <TheOddOne> craigaa: +1 | |
| <morgs> Consistency with other LoCoTeams, ease of collaboration | |
| <Seeker_952> craigaa: +1 | |
| <GrandPOps_> I agree too. But it does need the right sort of activity | |
| <craigaa> GrandPOps_ : I assume that you mean more participation by team members? | |
| <GrandPOps_> Well yes - but if there is nothing particularly interesting on the wiki there is no participation. | |
| <GrandPOps_> It becomes a viscious circle. However you spell vishuss. | |
| <craigaa> lol | |
| <craigaa> It does dissapoint me that there is little participation | |
| <ghoztly> A Wiki is mainly for a reference and less for a discussion. What do we want? Discussion or reference? Or articles and announcements? For each there is a better tool than the other. | |
| <GrandPOps_> Personally I read the Ubuntu forums a lot - particularly the Absolute Beginner one (because that is where I am | |
| <morgs> For discussion we have a mailing list and a forum (not that there have been much discussion on either). | |
| <GrandPOps_> and get a lot from it. But there has been little to keep nme coming back to the wiki. | |
| <morgs> We need to get going with some focussed goals that we can move towards in ZA, which will generate participation and discussion. | |
| <GrandPOps_> Which means I have probably missed a lot | |
| <morgs> This is another discussion really, but the wiki needs to play its part, and so we need to decide what makes sense | |
| * craigaa thinks (hence the smell of burning rubber) | |
| <morgs> Either we host our own wiki server (as in Canonical provides the hosting), or we use wiki.ubuntu.com, or...? | |
| <morgs> Use case: | |
| <morgs> Software Freedom Day 2007 | |
| <morgs> We get some installfests going | |
| <morgs> Where will people find the info? | |
| <craigaa> morgs is correct, lets focus on the "technical" aspects and discuss motivation a little later | |
| <Seeker_952> Well I didn't notice that quite a few LoCo teams are using systems like Drupal that can function like wiki's but give more participation | |
| <Seeker_952> *did not didn't :P | |
| <craigaa> what skills are available? | |
| <craigaa> ie who has experience with what | |
| * linuxboy falls off his chair | |
| <linuxboy> people. talking. wow! | |
| * Seeker_952 does | |
| <ghoztly> drupal | |
| * morgs is a pythonista - moin++ | |
| <Vhata> linuxboy: apparently there's a meeting | |
| <craigaa> Geez. Don't these people read mail from the list. ;-) | |
| * morgs will use CAPITALS next time ;-) | |
| <klimraamkosie> Just an outside question, this the UCT LUG? | |
| <linuxboy> craigaa: I've been idling in this channel for over a year now | |
| <linuxboy> :) | |
| <Vhata> craigaa: so have I | |
| <linuxboy> who reads lists ? | |
| <klimraamkosie> (That is being discussed) | |
| <morgs> klimraamkosie: If UCT = Ubuntu Cape Town... ;-) | |
| <craigaa> linuxboy : 8-) | |
| <klimraamkosie> haha | |
| <Vhata> klimraamkosie: no, this the Ubuntu South African localisation team | |
| <morgs> klimraamkosie: You want LEG, or perhaps CLUG | |
| <Vhata> klimraamkosie: there is no UCT LUG, there is CLUG, which has a #clug channel over on irc.furion.org | |
| <klimraamkosie> Ah :) thx | |
| <klimraamkosie> That's fine, was just wondering which organisational duties you guys were discussing, didn't read far up. | |
| <craigaa> http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/ use drupal | |
| <craigaa> it seems that everyone else seems to stick with moin | |
| <GrandPOps_> Back to reality - my experience of wikis is that they need time more than skills to manage. | |
| <craigaa> my experience wrt wikis is primarily as a user, not an admin - so I am disqulified from commenting | |
| <morgs> Hence our WikiTeam, which is theoretically meeting now - to do the following: | |
| <morgs> * Add content where appropriate | |
| <morgs> * Clean up existing content | |
| <morgs> * Clean up formatting of contributed content | |
| <ghoztly> Ohio.ubuntu-us.org looks good | |
| <morgs> * Set guidelines for participation | |
| <morgs> * ... | |
| <craigaa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTemplates | |
| <ghoztly> My guess is that in the end we will really need people willing to write good, topical articles for either Wiki or Drupal. Doing the server before the content is putting the cart in front of the horse. Basically use what there is exhisting and spend your energy on content rather than administration. | |
| <ghoztly> correction - existing | |
| <morgs> ghoztly: That makes sense - except that our web presence vanishes at the end of the week and we need to put up something. | |
| <craigaa> please remember that we do not have to limit ourselves only to a wiki... | |
| <craigaa> we can use www.ubunt-za.org/wiki for the wiki ... | |
| <craigaa> we can use www.ubunt-za.org/forums for the forum ... (bad example) | |
| <morgs> Once the canonical hosting is activated, we should be able to run anything - druppel, moin, etc. | |
| <craigaa> we can use www.ubunt-za.org/ for the website etc. | |
| <morgs> :s/ubunt-za/ubuntu-za/g | |
| * craigaa blushes | |
| <Seeker_952> craigaa: Thats what I was just thinking | |
| <morgs> OK then, let's get the recently edited pages from the wiki up on the new server under /wiki/ - as before, and then we can get drupal installed too and see what we can do with it. | |
| <ghoztly> use whatever is existing first - I agree | |
| <craigaa> comments? complaints? ideas? | |
| <GrandPOps_> Horses for courses. In my opinion: eMail lists are best for general discussion; forums are great for focussed discussion on particular issues; wikis are great for quick web pages that may need development; "true" web pages are great for more permanent content. | |
| <morgs> Then craigaa and I will press canonical for the hosting, and then we can get people involved as soon as there is a place to host content. | |
| <morgs> GrandPOps_: Yes. Wiki's are often great for collaboration where anybody can edit - but the whole web2.0 thing or "read-write web" as some are calling it can be done with various technologies. | |
| <highvoltage> is there a meeting atm? | |
| <morgs> Perhaps there can be some level of | |
| <morgs> highvoltage: yes | |
| <morgs> Perhaps there can be some level of integration between the site and the wiki in terms of user management - we can look into that - so there aren't too many passwords for people to use to take part... | |
| <craigaa> +1 | |
| <Seeker_952> +1 | |
| <Seeker_952> Has any one got a backup of the current content yet | |
| <craigaa> yes | |
| <craigaa> but it needs to be redone as morgs has made some changes ;-) | |
| <morgs> ;-) | |
| <morgs> OK, I need to go | |
| <morgs> Feedback will be given to the list on server availability | |
| <morgs> and we can schedule another meeting in the near future | |
| <morgs> In the mean time, everybody please think about what sort of content you could contribute | |
| <morgs> Take a look at the other LoCoTeam sites | |
| <GrandPOps_> K - Cheers | |
| <craigaa> right | |
| <Seeker_952> will do | |
| <craigaa> if everyone can also put some thought into motivating participation as well | |
| <TheOddOne> ok. | |
| <morgs> Here's a great site (page?) running on Ubuntu's wiki itself: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam | |
| <ghoztly> next action = will look at content | |
| <klimraamkosie> Vhata, you around? | |
| <klimraamkosie> Press control+alt + up. | |
| <Vhata> hi | |
| <klimraamkosie> hi | |
| <Vhata> I'm at work, I don't have beryl here ;-) | |
| <Vhata> also, I redefined all the shortcuts | |
| <klimraamkosie> Ai | |
| <Vhata> what's it supposed to do? | |
| <klimraamkosie> Well, you can go to the top and bottom of the cube, i.e. 6 desktops. | |
| <klimraamkosie> I got it! | |
| <klimraamkosie> 6 desktops | |
| <klimraamkosie> max = 32 | |
| <Vhata> where do the others go? | |
| <klimraamkosie> it changes from 4 sided, to however many sided | |
| <klimraamkosie> like the 2 side one is like a piece of paper that just flips around | |
| <Vhata> oh right | |
| <Vhata> and the roof and floor? | |
| <klimraamkosie> they are just white, but you can set the colour | |
| <klimraamkosie> maybe even put a picture there, but it isn't that red crystal thing anymore | |
| <linuxboy> whoa | |
| <linuxboy> i missed the meeting | |
| <Vhata> you gonna be okay? | |
| <linuxboy> i think so | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | |
| <linuxboy> klimraamkosie | |
| <linuxboy> 17:42 < ghoztly!n=southafr@dsl-146-30-163.telkomadsl.co.za [] | |
| <linuxboy> whoops | |
| <morphiax__> Hi | |
| <morphiax__> Anyone able to give me advice on helping out with Ubuntu in SA? | |
| <Seeker_952> Hi | |
| <morphiax__> Do you know how to get started? | |
| <morphiax__> I would like to spend a bit of time helping where I can | |
| <Seeker_952> There are lots of places you could help out. There is the wiki but its in the process of moved at the moment, The forums, Just helping market Ubuntu at verious functions | |
| <Seeker_952> Have you subscribed to the mailing list? | |
| <morphiax__> No I have not done that yet | |
| <morphiax__> I spend a lot of time promoting Ubuntu | |
| <morphiax__> And installing it on people's computers | |
| <morphiax__> I want to do a bit more if I can | |
| <Seeker_952> cool well at the moment we are reorganising | |
| <morphiax__> What do you mean reorganising? | |
| <Seeker_952> The team was started some time ago but it wasn't used very much untill december. We had a meeting to try and get things off the ground. Currently we have being divided into several teams | |
| <morphiax__> Oh ok, so you are still new? | |
| <morphiax__> So should I just stick around here until you have stuff sorted out? | |
| <Vhata> that would work | |
| <morphiax__> I am busy signing up to the mailing list | |
| <Vhata> subscribing to the mailing lists is the best option, and then just getting involved with the wiki, etc | |
| <Vhata> you'll see where stuff needs doing if you stay active | |
| <morphiax__> I will check it out | |
| <morphiax__> So is it best to stay with the SA stuff and not mess around with the global Ubuntu? | |
| <Vhata> no dude go wild ;-) | |
| <morphiax__> hehe | |
| <morphiax__> Where should I go looking | |
| <morphiax__> Is #ubuntu the place, cause it seems like it has way too much traffic | |
| <Seeker_952> Its one place you can try the forums too | |
| <Vhata> #ubuntu is more for support, I think | |
| <Seeker_952> the ubuntu wiki has tons of info on how to help. It just depends what you are intrested in helping with | |
| <morphiax__> Let me check it out, I have been looking at the SA wiki the whole time | |
| <klimraamkosie> linuxboy? | |
| <Vhata> he's gone to bed | |
| <klimraamkosie> k |