| <sy677> hellooo? | |
| <sy677> is there anybody out there? | |
| <constrictor> hello sy677 | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: Steve Garton (sheepeatingtaz): Comic Relief || Jono Bacon: The Big Red Recording || Caroline Ford: feeling more chirpy || Caroline Ford: Stress || Caroline Ford: a-LARTing || Jono Bacon: Lies, lies and more lies || Caroline Ford: step forward || Caroline Ford: Sunday || Caroline Ford: Update || Jono Bacon: One of those little things… || Caroline Ford: Beads || Caroline Ford: Saturday || Adam McMaster: Response to To | |
| <constrictor> good night guys | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: James Pain: Pack your bags and follow the penguin | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: Tuxpaint <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/134005.html> || Caroline Ford: Update <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/133796.html> | |
| <Tigger_> hi | |
| <stdin> mornin | |
| <Tigger_> morning stdin :) | |
| <stdin> god it's early :P | |
| <Tigger_> lol i know :) | |
| <stdin> I just spent two hours getting vmware-player modules to compile, that was fun | |
| <Tigger_> oh vmware-player | |
| <Tigger_> in ubuntu i take it | |
| <stdin> well, Kubuntu actually :) | |
| <Tigger_> what you gonna run on it ? | |
| <Tigger_> yep i used to run kubuntu | |
| <stdin> I use it for sandbox installed, testing and stuff | |
| <Tigger_> oh not heard of that one | |
| <stdin> sandbox = testing | |
| <Tigger_> oh right, thanks :) | |
| <stdin> heh :) | |
| <stdin> just easier than having a load of chroots | |
| <Tigger_> cool, i got debian sarge, etch & ubuntu tripple booted at the moment | |
| <stdin> nice | |
| <stdin> I just have kubuntu edgy and feisty dual boot | |
| <stdin> tho I'm thinking of installing debian again, I haven't used stock debian in ages | |
| <Tigger_> cool, i'm using an old amd450 box at the moment | |
| <Tigger_> yeah go for etch testing stdin | |
| <stdin> that's what I had before I went to (k)ubuntu | |
| <Tigger_> i just downloaded the 40 Mb netintstall iso | |
| <Tigger_> oh right cool :) | |
| <stdin> I remember doing a netinstall on a dialup connection once, took forever :P | |
| <Tigger_> oh yeah not recommended | |
| <Tigger_> you got broadband now tho i take it ? | |
| <stdin> yeah, 4Mb/s cable | |
| <Tigger_> good good :) | |
| <stdin> better than the 49.5Kb/s I got on dialup :P | |
| <Tigger_> just a bit i should think lol | |
| <Tigger_> i used to use peapc alot once, as you mentioned vmware | |
| <Tigger_> powerpc emulator | |
| <stdin> ahh, I've never actually used any mac hardware | |
| <Tigger_> with mac osx tiger, debian, ubuntu, yellowdog | |
| <Tigger_> mandrake as well | |
| <Tigger_> no prolly best avoided stdin lol | |
| <stdin> my first distro was mandrake, way back | |
| <stdin> before it became mandriva :P | |
| <Tigger_> yup same here | |
| <Tigger_> brb puttin kettle on | |
| <Tigger_> yeah theres a pearpc chat on this server actualy | |
| <Tigger_> i forgot it was on freenode | |
| <stdin> I may have to put it on my to-do list, just out of curiosity | |
| <Tigger_> yeah it's worth a play with osx | |
| <stdin> a quick torrent search will get that :) | |
| <Tigger_> well yes thats how i got it many moons ago :) | |
| <Tigger_> it's about 1.6GB the dvd-iso | |
| <stdin> shouldn't take too long to get then | |
| <Tigger_> and you can run it from the iso file in pearpc | |
| <Tigger_> nope not too long on 4mb/s | |
| <Tigger_> brb kettles boilded | |
| * stdin opens his to-do list and adds "run OSX in pearpc" | |
| <Tigger_> there is deb packages for pearpc | |
| <Tigger_> but i expect you would still have to compile the source for network support | |
| <Tigger_> thats how it used to be anyhow | |
| <stdin> heh, it's in the ubuntu repos, I'll give that a go first | |
| <Tigger_> yep it is :) | |
| <Tigger_> k i gotta go get ready for work stdin , nice chattin i'll bbl :) | |
| <Tigger_> hoo hoo hoo! TTFN! | |
| <stdin> cya Tigger_ , have a good time @ work (I have the day off :) ) | |
| <Tigger_> lol lucky you cya :) | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: Steve Garton (sheepeatingtaz): Ubuntu Problems <http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/02/27/ubuntu-problems/> | |
| <GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5189/commentsle3.jpg | |
| <AndrewWilliams> http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page11080.asp | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <mattl> lo | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> popey: ping | |
| <loudmouthman> I see the Govt is agreeing that Software patents should not be enforced. | |
| <loudmouthman> it remains commited so to speak | |
| <loudmouthman> http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page11077.asp | |
| <jayteeuk> Morning all. | |
| <Seeker`> morning | |
| <jayteeuk> That sounds like good news loudmouthman. | |
| <loudmouthman> it certainly reads that way. | |
| *** francis_ is now known as apokryphos | |
| <loudmouthman> wb jono / gazzak | |
| <Seeker`> lo GazzaK | |
| <GazzaK> I've been here all along, it was all you who buggered off :p | |
| <loudmouthman> we can assure you there was a lack of buggering off in your absence mr gazzak sir ! | |
| <GazzaK> loudmouthman, hehee | |
| <jono> hey | |
| <DaveMorris> my whole phone code area lost ADSL yesterday grrrr | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: Why? | |
| <DaveMorris> no idea | |
| <loudmouthman> Davemorris yeah 01403 / 01444 /0208923 et all. can you imagine how many conversations I had regarding it. | |
| <loudmouthman> And they have no idea that every single UK ISP uses BT on some level to connect to the rest of the net . so when radius servers die so does connectivity. | |
| <loudmouthman> Whats worse is customers expect me to be able to fix it , or come up with a fix ! | |
| <GazzaK> fix - go outside and shout | |
| <loudmouthman> it is amazing to me how dependent companies have become and how disabled they become when they cannot send or recieve emails or access the net! | |
| <popey> sheepeatingtaz: pong | |
| <popey> morning all | |
| <loudmouthman> hey Popey | |
| <DaveMorris> loudmouthman: Didn't relaise it was just my area | |
| <DaveMorris> *wasn't | |
| <loudmouthman> yeah it was pretty wide spread . | |
| <popey> 09:50 < loudmouthman> it is amazing to me how dependent companies have become and how disabled they become when they cannot send or recieve emails or access the net! | |
| <popey> how dependent they *think* they are | |
| <popey> many aren't but cant see beyond it | |
| <popey> bet they could have done other stuff like filing :) | |
| <loudmouthman> popey : yeah I know that .. but when shouty/ranty/ravey customer is doing their nut because as always happens " a very important email " needed sending ! dumb eh ! | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <loudmouthman> all you can do is sit and take it ... | |
| <loudmouthman> <thats what gazzak says ! > | |
| <DaveMorris> my bro need to hand is coursework in, phone all his friends still no luck | |
| <DaveMorris> had to get up ver very early this morning and goto uni to hand it in | |
| * popey wonders how early "very very" is | |
| <DaveMorris> his a student, so 6 | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <mrben> 6?!?! I was thinking more like 8 | |
| <Seeker`> 6 what? | |
| <loudmouthman> pm ? | |
| <DaveMorris> I just need to get my old 56k modems down and hook them up as spare | |
| <mrben> Seeker`: 09:57 < DaveMorris> had to get up ver very early this morning and goto uni to hand it in | |
| <mrben> 09:57 * popey wonders how early "very very" is | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> popey: can you let me know when you have a few minutes spare today, I would like to discuss my blog post with you :) | |
| <loudmouthman> sheepeatingtaz: and after that would you mind blogging about filing a bug and your experiences also ? since we dont get enough howtos on that . ( and no I am not being ironic ! ) . Cheers. | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: I think I've got the colours sorted at last ;) I've abandoned black and white | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> loudmouthman: no worries | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah, there should be some screen casts on how to file a bug, how to do a basic test etc | |
| <GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, :-) | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> how are folks this morning? | |
| <popey> hi sheepeatingtaz | |
| <GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, and http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/photos/ gives a 404 (which is very pretty) | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: where are you finding that link? | |
| <GazzaK> on ze homepage | |
| <GazzaK> I was after cute ones of you in starwars dress :-) | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> oops | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> I removed the directory and the link on the blog | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> I'll change the link now | |
| <popey> was my reply to your blog rude sheepeatingtaz ? | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> You want to go here: http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/photos/ | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> popey: no! why? | |
| <popey> just wondered why you wanted to talk to me about it | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: I mean here http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheepeatingtaz/ | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> popey, because of your experience with this sort of thing, I figure you will be a good person for me to discuss what I *should* be doing with feisty problems | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> popey: http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/02/27/ubuntu-problems/#comment-3307 | |
| <GazzaK> damn shame you are engaged :-) what a waste :-))) | |
| * GazzaK hides | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> </sarcasm> ? | |
| <GazzaK> erm, yeah, forgot my html tabs there | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> :) | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> I've changed that link now for you. Now you can find them anytime you want :) | |
| * popey pokes X3N | |
| * Seeker` pokes X3N too | |
| * GazzaK pokes X3N a bit too | |
| <GazzaK> now guess where | |
| <loudmouthman> I was more worried about with what ! | |
| <loudmouthman> wow people are still reading slashdot ! | |
| * loudmouthman listening to Lugradio Aq mentions slashdot. man thats so 2003 ! | |
| <DaveMorris> *still reads /. | |
| * jayteeuk still reads /. via RSS sometimes. | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> I used to read /. but tend to get my 'tech news' from planets nowadays. | |
| <loudmouthman> I now I read it , but quoting /. is so 2003 . arent we supposed to quote digg and valley wag nowadays ? | |
| <loudmouthman> know in place of now ! duh ! | |
| <Pricey> Is it me.... or did the government just agree not to use software patents on their response to that petition? | |
| <AndrewWilliams> seems like it | |
| <AndrewWilliams> but its vauge | |
| <Pricey> yeah | |
| <loudmouthman> Pricey . its not just you ! | |
| <Pricey> But its better than their response to DRM... | |
| <Pricey> "DRM is a good way of giving choice to the consumer" | |
| <AndrewWilliams> "f this advance lies solely in the field of software, or another non-technical field such as methods of doing business, the patent will not be granted." | |
| <AndrewWilliams> ack, missed the i | |
| <loudmouthman> I was wondering about vaugue. the wording seemed quite clear about patents on software but not so definitive on software as it relates to implementaton within technology , which I assume to mean embeded devices ? | |
| <loudmouthman> but it did make it clear that US patents are not applicable in the UK. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> yes, that was very clear | |
| <AndrewWilliams> good sign really | |
| <loudmouthman> it seemed odd they worded that so explicitly though. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> maybe they're going on the basis that its not been tested in court yet | |
| <loudmouthman> hmm, possibly but Laws usually dont need to be tested to be approved. Unless you intend to set precendence. | |
| <loudmouthman> and by testing I mean being applied to a court case . | |
| <GazzaK> Can I sell Office 2003 copies down the carboot now? | |
| <loudmouthman> gazzak no , because thats copyright not patent issues. | |
| <GazzaK> I could sell them as pre made "backup" copies? | |
| <GazzaK> hey good idea - sell cdr's labeled as Vista, but with the ubuntu iso on it :p | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> that would be funny | |
| <GazzaK> then they can do you for two crimes | |
| <AndrewWilliams> thats unique marketing :) | |
| <GazzaK> mis-selling and fraud | |
| <loudmouthman> that would be like selling trojan condoms covered in chillie pepper. Theyd both be a pain in the arse to install. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> sounds like that guy who put ubuntu on his dad's PC | |
| <GazzaK> loudmouthman, ouch | |
| <AndrewWilliams> and his dad thought it was vista | |
| <GazzaK> AndrewWilliams, I showed my parents ubuntu with beryl, and they liked it (they wanted vista) and now I have to install it on their machine | |
| <AndrewWilliams> i'd be able to get my dad onto Ubuntu, but his CAD software doesn't work well in wine | |
| <AndrewWilliams> then again, the last time I tried it was 2-3 years ago | |
| <GazzaK> AndrewWilliams, make him use paper | |
| <DaveMorris> there is a company selling condoms called Trojan | |
| <GazzaK> haha, love trolls? http://pastebin.ca/374201 | |
| <AndrewWilliams> why oh why does democracy player require mozilla | |
| <popey> it has browser components AndrewWilliams | |
| <jayteeuk> GazzaK: WTF? | |
| <AndrewWilliams> now all my links are opening in mozilla instead of ff | |
| <AndrewWilliams> joy oh jou | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, quite, we get rubbish trolls :'( | |
| <DaveMorris> AndrewWilliams: change your preferred apps | |
| <AndrewWilliams> yah i've just looked there and its showing FF, now i am confused | |
| * popey wonders if that link is appropriate in here | |
| <DaveMorris> and might not of been safe for work :/ | |
| <GazzaK> oh, sorry | |
| <DaveMorris> just flag them NSFW and NSFC | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> NSFC? | |
| <GazzaK> NSFC? | |
| <popey> children | |
| <GazzaK> ahhh | |
| <popey> i dont agree | |
| <popey> i dont think stuff like that should be in here | |
| <popey> other places I have no problem with, but not here | |
| <DaveMorris> I was joking on the children part | |
| <popey> !ohmy | |
| <ubot3> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | |
| <GazzaK> okay, sorry popey | |
| <popey> </tsmithe> | |
| <popey> np | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <GazzaK> it was only a pastebin of a couple of trolls, nothing "really rude" | |
| <popey> I sound like a homophbic zealot don't I? | |
| <popey> thats not the reason | |
| <popey> er, there were norty things in that post | |
| <popey> anyway | |
| <popey> lets not argue | |
| * popey hugs GazzaK | |
| <GazzaK> popey, there was little homosexual stuff said, so not homophobic at all, but it did contain rude words, yes | |
| <GazzaK> lets not argue - agreed, lets hug, awwww | |
| <popey> ({) | |
| <jayteeuk> I find it both very annoying and hugely satisfying when my employers ignore the advice they employed me to give, rattle on down a dead-end route, eventually give in and assign me to the job and it turns out if they'd listened to me in the first place everything would be working. | |
| <jayteeuk> Annoying because lots of time has been wasted. But satisfying because I now have the right to be very smug. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> aha, sorted it, seems like mozilla hijacks the alternatives and sets itself, update-alternatives sorted it | |
| <GazzaK> jayteeuk, happens to me all the time | |
| <jayteeuk> And it also validates my expertise. And I always get a buzz from solving problems. | |
| <GazzaK> jayteeuk, me too, I'm happy as my backup worked, 558Gb | |
| <jayteeuk> Wow, that's a lot of pr... erm, video. | |
| <GazzaK> jayteeuk, at work! :p | |
| <jayteeuk> Heheh. :) What was it and how did you go about it? | |
| <GazzaK> we had problems with our AIT autoloader, it was playing up big stylee | |
| <GazzaK> I got it swapped out twice, due to sony being annoying and sending out broken kit | |
| <jayteeuk> That reminds me actually, I need to sort out my intranet server. | |
| <jayteeuk> I've been getting SCSI errors crashing the box, increasingly frequently and especially during the nightly tape backup. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> Beryl refers to <Control><Suport>Button1 for a combo, whats the Super key? | |
| <Seeker`> windows key | |
| * GazzaK paints over his windoze key | |
| <AndrewWilliams> shame i find dell keyboards comfy :) | |
| * mrben doesn't have a Windows key on any of his keyboards | |
| <mrben> IBM laptops never did | |
| <gord> hrmm, apparently I have an e-mail from the prime minister | |
| <GazzaK> yeah right | |
| <gord> I bet Im the new king | |
| * GazzaK attacks keyboard with modelling knive | |
| <mrben> gord: more likely you signed the id cards petition | |
| <gord> http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page11077.asp <--- what does that mean | |
| <gord> software patent mrben | |
| <AndrewWilliams> http://nikdoof.net/misc/img/msmailing.png - got to love microsoft for that excellent bit of confusing layout | |
| <mrben> ooof | |
| <mrben> gord: I think it means they agree with us | |
| <mrben> gord: mostly.... | |
| <mrben> gord: but reserve the right to change their minds ;) | |
| <gord> I think this just adds to my argument that I should be king, under the terrible slave rule of gord there will be NO software patents, NO DRM and and NO McDonalds adverts as I hate them | |
| <GazzaK> mcdonalds mcdonalds, kentucky fried chicken and pizza hut.... | |
| * Seeker` shoots GazzaK :P | |
| <GazzaK> sing along now | |
| <GazzaK> mcdonalds mcdonalds, kentucky fried chicken and pizza hut.... | |
| <GazzaK> mcdonalds mcdonalds, kentucky fried chicken and pizza hut.... | |
| <gord> I think I was away the week that crap song came out, when I came back I thought the whole country had lost it | |
| <GazzaK> thats the only words isn't it? | |
| <jayteeuk> Apart from "A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut" | |
| <GazzaK> lol | |
| <jayteeuk> Damn, I think I get more spam via the eGroupWare users mailing list than anywhere else. | |
| *** elate2 is now known as elate | |
| <mrben> GazzaK: you know the 2nd verse to that? | |
| <jayteeuk> A Wetherspoons, A Wetherspoons, A Standing Order and a Wetherspoons? | |
| * jayteeuk eyes up some new New Rocks. | |
| <mrben> jayteeuk: ooo - new one for me | |
| <mrben> I was thinking of "A Ford Escort, A Ford Escort, Mini, Mini, Mini and a Ford Escort" | |
| <jayteeuk> mrben: I made it up. | |
| <mrben> (x2, then "Ferrari, Ferrari, Mini, Mini, Mini and a Ford Escort") | |
| <jayteeuk> I've not heard that one either. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> The first time I sang to that tune, it had nothing to do with any of them. | |
| * mrben unsubcribes from the ubuntu-marketing mailing list | |
| <mrben> is there an ubuntu-uk one I should replace it with? | |
| <gord> there are some guys working on marketing for ubuntu-uk, I don't think they use a mailing list though | |
| <mrben> sorry - let me redefine | |
| <mrben> I'm not specifically interested in marketing | |
| <mrben> hence the unsubscribe | |
| <mrben> but I am interested in keeping in the loop with ubuntu | |
| <gord> well good :) join the ubuntu-uk team and join the rest of us :) http://www.ubuntu-uk.org/ | |
| <gord> we as a loco team are more interested in support/pestering goverment to get free software in schools and the like so anyone can join in :) | |
| <schwuk> mrben: keeping in the loop in what way? | |
| <mrben> schwuk: well - news, plus getting involved a bit | |
| <schwuk> mrben: ubuntu usage or ubuntu development? | |
| <mrben> probably more on usage than development, tbh | |
| * schwuk considers becoming an Ubuntu member, but has a fear of rejection | |
| <mrben> any dev time I have should probably be aimed at Jokosher | |
| <jayteeuk> Same here schwuk. | |
| <schwuk> mrben: fridge, planet ubuntu and ubuntu-uk then | |
| <mrben> ty | |
| <schwuk> jayteeuk: I'm not sure what is consider a substantial contribution to ubuntu... | |
| <schwuk> mrben: np hth hand | |
| <schwuk> :P | |
| <jayteeuk> schwuk: No, me neither... | |
| * schwuk reads http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | |
| * schwuk misses middle click when he's not on Linux | |
| <schwuk> "Anybody who is active in the Ubuntu community is a good candidate for Ubuntu membership." | |
| <GazzaK> does that include me? I'm actively harrassing loudmouthman? | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm actively using Ubuntu daily, actively participating in discussions and usually UKTeam meetings, actively contributing ideas, actively trying, when I get the time, to track down the source of kernel problems that are affecting me. | |
| <jayteeuk> The main problem I think I have is that none of this is really visible. | |
| <schwuk> GazzaK: depends on whether the harrasement is ubuntu related, or prosecutable in a court of law! | |
| <gord> activly using the word activly | |
| * schwuk contributes, but I suspect not actively enough | |
| * jayteeuk prods gord's 'e' key. | |
| <gord> jayteeuk, for that kind of stuff you just need a current member to back you up so to speak | |
| <schwuk> Although I reckon the Ubuntu book should be a big plus for me :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Definitely, schwuk. I was gonna mention that. | |
| <mrben> flash bastard | |
| <schwuk> :P | |
| <gord> hrmm, is there any kind of feed for the launchpad support tracker? | |
| <GazzaK> schwuk, ummm | |
| <schwuk> jayteeuk: I think I'll put myself forward for the next meeting. Worst they can do is say no. Be embarrassing though! | |
| <Seeker`> i think i'm going to put myself forward | |
| <gord> if they say no then you at last will know _why_ they say no, which is a pretty important thing for the next attempt | |
| <Seeker`> ausimage, who helped found the scribes, got accepted with no problems | |
| <GazzaK> shall I put myself forward? | |
| <GazzaK> I'm restarting colchester's LUG | |
| <jayteeuk> Do we have anyone on the team who got rejected? | |
| <GazzaK> I harrass people daily here, I pimp ubuntu like a true geek | |
| <jayteeuk> Same here GazzaK. :) | |
| <GazzaK> and I flirt well | |
| <jayteeuk> Oh I still have your stickers here. | |
| <jayteeuk> I will post them, I promise. | |
| <jayteeuk> I should also keep a spare Dapper CD in my laptop bag for when I'm travelling. | |
| <jayteeuk> Just in case someone asks about it. | |
| <jayteeuk> Although I tend to think that kind of promotion is less likely to be effective. | |
| <DaveMorris> I've ordered 200 dapper cd's to give out at our research open days and to students at the uni :) | |
| <gord> :o you don't carry about spare cds, why, your not a big massive ubuntu geek at all! | |
| <GazzaK> I always keep a spare cd handy | |
| <jayteeuk> I only have an AMD64 one. | |
| * GazzaK has updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaryKearley a bit :-) | |
| * gord does the 'has more karma than GazzaK' dance. if your name was earl then you wouldn't be having a great time | |
| * popey does tha 'has more karma than gazza and gord put together' dance | |
| <popey> probably | |
| <GazzaK> popey, my karma is 0, so yeah | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <GazzaK> gord, hard to beat me eh | |
| <gord> yeah but you found the secret cheat button that you just keep pressing to get more karma, cheater! | |
| <popey> hahaha | |
| <gord> sometimes I wish I could do more for ubuntu with my coding, I just hate fixing bugs so much though >_< | |
| <GazzaK> I can't code, and have no patience to learn how to | |
| <GazzaK> too busy being ocd over the house being tidy | |
| <jayteeuk> I think I can still code, I'm not sure. | |
| <GazzaK> I can code a bit of basic :p | |
| <gord> I can code spectrum basic, I rocked at that!.. well at copying it out of those books and going 'oooh, that was good' whist not understanding a thing. | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: Caroline Ford: crafts <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/134468.html> || Caroline Ford: Housing update <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/134214.html> | |
| <jayteeuk> 1000 DATA 00, 00, 01, FF, 32, 65 | |
| <popey> LD HL,16384 | |
| <popey> LD DE,32768 | |
| <popey> LD BC,1024 | |
| <popey> LDIR | |
| <GazzaK> 10 print "GazzaK is cool" | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <GazzaK> 20 goto 10 | |
| <jayteeuk> 11001001001011001010010101001010100101010100110101010111110110100101010 | |
| <jayteeuk> I used to understand 6502 and 6510 assembler, although I couldn't write it for toffee. | |
| <jayteeuk> I did write lots of 68000 assembler though. Atari ST megademos and the like. | |
| <jayteeuk> Although the validity of the "mega" part of that remains questionable. | |
| <popey> z80 was my cpu of choice | |
| <popey> speccy and amstrad cpc | |
| <jayteeuk> I had a speccy for a fe weeks, then an Amstrad CPC464 for years. | |
| <jayteeuk> Then got an Atari 520 STFM instead of an Amstrad CPC6128. | |
| <gord> the speccy had dizzy on it, I beleve that qualifys it to be the best system ever | |
| <gord> oh, and slightly magic | |
| <mrben> (so did the amstrad.....) | |
| * mrben learnt 6502 assembler at school | |
| <jayteeuk> So did the ST didn't it? Was that the egg? | |
| <gord> native dizzy not silly ports :P | |
| <mrben> jayteeuk: yes | |
| <mrben> gord: speccy was the best computer evarr, though | |
| <jayteeuk> I was more into Falcon and Dungeon Master. | |
| <GazzaK> omg, you geeks | |
| <gord> dooooooo, do...... dooooooooo dodododododododo | |
| * mrben liked saboteur and saboteur 2 | |
| <mrben> and Bored of the Rings | |
| <GazzaK> prince of persa | |
| <mrben> and a load of other games | |
| <jayteeuk> I played Saboteur on the Commodore 64 I think. | |
| <jayteeuk> Prince of Persia on the ST. | |
| <popey> Glider Rider | |
| <GazzaK> pong | |
| * popey hugs the spectrum emulator | |
| <mrben> nonterraqueous was better on the speccy than on the amstrad | |
| <jayteeuk> Yi Ar Kung Fu. | |
| * gord hugs world of spectrum and its legaly free from collection -_- | |
| <GazzaK> MS flight simulator, on floppy disk | |
| <gord> from = rom | |
| <mrben> way of the exploding fist! | |
| <popey> nonterraqueous had colour on the cpc version | |
| <popey> mucho better | |
| <popey> fist! excellent game | |
| * mrben hugs his borrowed gp2x | |
| <popey> Heavy On the Magick | |
| <popey> Tir Na Nog | |
| <mrben> with speccy goodness | |
| <popey> LightForce | |
| <gord> would a spectrum work so well with a gp2x? what with the specky having quite a few more buttons n all | |
| <mrben> (and mame, and scummvm, and megadrive support) | |
| <mrben> gord: depends on the game | |
| <mrben> gord: many games didn't require that many buttons | |
| <mrben> Q,A,O,P + Space | |
| <mrben> (/me stills uses that combo) | |
| <mrben> actually - was that the Amstrad preferred combo?> | |
| <jayteeuk> What was that one from Bullfrog, with the squidgy character and the teddies with teeth in their bellies? | |
| <mrben> I think speccy might have been z x / ' enter (or similar) | |
| <gord> nah specky was qaop | |
| <mrben> loved that combo | |
| <mrben> I play driver on the PC with those keys | |
| <mrben> (and Z for burnout) | |
| <gord> Iv migrated to using wsad for everything these days, leaves your right hand for other... stuff | |
| <mrben> fnar | |
| <mrben> wsad is good for some things | |
| <Seeker`> ... | |
| <mrben> but not all | |
| <jayteeuk> Where I work, WSAD really needs an extra hand. | |
| <mrben> jayteeuk: really big keyboards? | |
| <mrben> jayteeuk: or forrin'? | |
| <jayteeuk> WSAD = WebSphere Studio Application Developer. | |
| <mrben> ahhh | |
| <jayteeuk> Eclipse, with bells. | |
| <mrben> because, you know, that's what eclipse needs | |
| <mrben> _more_ things hanging off the codebase | |
| <jayteeuk> Non-free bells, unfortunately. | |
| <mrben> ;) | |
| <Seeker`> eclipse seems to be under the impression that it has an infinate supply of RAM | |
| <mrben> yeah | |
| <jayteeuk> Tell me about it. | |
| <gord> tis nice though, I wouldn't say its all that usable for me at least but its pretty | |
| <gord> roll on a version of anjuta 2 thats not awful I say! | |
| <jayteeuk> And when you have the whole development stack on your machine -- Eclipse, WebSphere, Oracle, plus Firefox or some JUnit stuff for testing... | |
| <Seeker`> gord: And thats all that matters | |
| <jayteeuk> I've found it works for me though. | |
| <dsas> all of the java IDEs are like that, pre-eclipse jbuilder is sloooooow and netbeans is even slower. | |
| <jayteeuk> I actually can't remember the last time I started up either WSAD or plain old Eclipse. | |
| <DaveMorris> using eclipse now for C++ | |
| <DaveMorris> Mem: 2011 1872 138 | |
| <jayteeuk> I've done no J2EE stuff where WSAD would help out for ages, and I'm just using Gedit at the moment for PHP and Python because it's so long since I used PHP I'm essentially learning both. | |
| <jayteeuk> How's the CDT in Eclipse now DaveMorris? | |
| <DaveMorris> seems to work quite well, got it running my make file (from auto tools) | |
| <jayteeuk> I tried it in the very early stages, when I wasn't really doing anything computer-related at home, and I had some problems. | |
| <DaveMorris> I had problems with eclipse from the deb's | |
| <jayteeuk> I think I've got it installed now, but I don't do much C/C++ lately. | |
| <DaveMorris> just grabbed it off the site instead | |
| <jayteeuk> Is it Eclipse 3 in Ubuntu? | |
| <DaveMorris> I think so | |
| <jayteeuk> 3.2.1 accordign to aptitude show. | |
| <jayteeuk> So it probably doesn't have that annoying bug where the perspectives toolbar on the left is only one pixel wide. | |
| <DaveMorris> *** stack smashing detected *** I love these | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: huh? | |
| <DaveMorris> its an error from my c++ program | |
| <jayteeuk> Buffer overrun? | |
| <treb0r> have any of you lot got any experience with external usb dvd writers? I'm in the market for one, but it must work with ubuntu.. | |
| <jayteeuk> Sorry, not me. | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: Dave Murphy: Not many people know that... <http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/2/27/not-many-people-know-that> | |
| * jayteeuk e-mails fellow Ferrari laptop users to try and gauge levels of success with Ubuntu. | |
| <schwuk> treb0r: I've used one | |
| <Seeker`> hometime :D | |
| <jayteeuk> Indeed. | |
| <jayteeuk> Seeya folks, might be around later. | |
| <AndrewWilliams> bah, virgin media have a mirror of the ubuntu install cds but no the packages, cheapskates :) | |
| <AndrewWilliams> true | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey gazzak this prvs for you : | |
| * LoudMouthMan whips out his picooz and flies it around the channel since theres so much space between the conversations. | |
| <dsas> picooz? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I think I just broke schwuks new toy | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Picooz its a little dinky indoor helicopter thingie | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I think I just broke schwuk toy ;there that will get his attention ! | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, got a pic | |
| <dsas> ohh, one of my housemates had one of those once, broke it xmas day...fixed it weeks later and promptly broke it again | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gazzak : http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=picooz&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | |
| <LoudMouthMan> mine are stil flying really well and im teaching my little girl to fly with them. <grin> she kinda gets how to use the throttle now. | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, he he | |
| <popey> X3N: ping | |
| <LoudMouthMan> my evential dream mod http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=4143149117094457504 | |
| <schwuk> LoudMouthMan: ? | |
| *** chris___ is now known as Seeker`` | |
| <strider_hiryu> Hi | |
| <bugbot> New news from planetuk: Toby Smithe: Reply from Greg Clark re BBC and Vista DRM <http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2007/02/27/reply-from-greg-clark-re-bbc-and-vista/> | |
| <GazzaK> hi strider_hiryu | |
| *** Seeker`` is now known as Seeker` | |
| <strider_hiryu> I'm new in linux, already tested mandrake and red hat, but i havent really used, just few things | |
| <strider_hiryu> I'd like to try a new distribution | |
| <GazzaK> try ubuntu then? | |
| <strider_hiryu> Something for a novice like me, trying to be free o windows | |
| <strider_hiryu> Some friends tell me the same | |
| <GazzaK> it's a good distro, and the community is good too | |
| <strider_hiryu> Other say try with fedora | |
| <GazzaK> try them all, it's like a challenge | |
| <GazzaK> why did you join here, if you are US based? | |
| <strider_hiryu> Actually, I'm mexican | |
| <strider_hiryu> And I m trying searching for some tips for a distribution | |
| <strider_hiryu> besides, I m testing all the utilitie of opera | |
| <GazzaK> have a looksie here www.ubuntuforums.org there is loads of hints and tips there | |
| <strider_hiryu> do you think its the best start for a novice? | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, as the forums are great | |
| <strider_hiryu> ok, thank you very much | |
| <GazzaK> np | |
| * dsas throws paper aeroplane at GazzaK | |
| <GazzaK> dsas, what? | |
| * dsas hides | |
| <GazzaK> I thought it was a troll | |
| * dsas clambers out from under the bridge. | |
| <dsas> just bored. sorry :) | |
| * GazzaK throws a window at dsas | |
| * dsas loses | |
| <GazzaK> you all glazed out now? | |
| <dsas> am I that transparent? | |
| <GazzaK> hehe | |
| <AndrewWilliams> woo, Jack Thompson is heading over here | |
| <AndrewWilliams> oh joy oh joy | |
| <dsas> whom? | |
| <AndrewWilliams> that anti-violent video game laywer | |
| <AndrewWilliams> http://www.thelastboss.com/post.phtml?pk=2305 | |
| <dsas> oh, that guy. | |
| <dsas> the killjoy. | |
| *** Seeker`` is now known as Seeker` | |
| <LoudMouthMan> schwuk ? wha ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oooh stock markets taking a dive ! | |
| <DaveMorris> dear lazy web, are tehre any gui based 56k modem dailing packages for ubuntu? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Davemorris . kppp ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and yeah . | |
| <DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: How much of a dive have they taken? | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: FTSE 100 dropped by 149 | |
| <LoudMouthMan> depending on your market but 2 to 4 % seems a norm . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but in general many mant points lost , or in money terms it looks like its loosing value as you invest. ! | |
| <DaveMorris> what caused it? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> China trade surplus. e.g its failture to find markets to export product into . | |
| <DaveMorris> I've been busy at work and not read any news | |
| <DaveMorris> or the fact that we won't let them import any into Eurpoe | |
| <DaveMorris> grrr, I can't spell | |
| <LoudMouthMan> was just reading news.bbc.co.uk . but thats a big drop . I wonder how the markets will open here tommorow . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> haha no worries . i cant spell neither . | |
| <DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: Got any more rackmount cases? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Davemorris . um not yet you grabbed me last two . but if your looking I will keep an eye out . | |
| <DaveMorris> cheers, also after a 1GB sticks of PC133 | |
| <LoudMouthMan> picked up two more clients today ; I really should stop working with anorexic dwarfs ! | |
| <DaveMorris> business is going well then | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yeah not bad. im taking on more linux based support work and seeing more interest in moving people to linux . | |
| <DaveMorris> you using virtilzation yet with your clients? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> no | |
| <DaveMorris> I could just see for example, you turning up with a xen image for an email server, running a script on it which edited all the correct files and prompts for data, such as domain name, root passwords. | |
| <DaveMorris> the script then set these and you have a system installed and running quicker. Then on the backups you jsut copy the whole image off so recovery is quicker | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hhe , yeah but my clients are SMEs . Even with just a liveCD I can set up a mail server in a few minutes with little effort | |
| <DaveMorris> ahhh | |
| <LoudMouthMan> as for backup and recovery its never been more than 3 hours for file/mail and proxy . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so for a SME client youve never more than , what 20 users a time, even the largest site is easy to manage at 60 users. | |
| <dsas> do you do windows stuff as well then LoudMouthMan? | |
| <DaveMorris> ok, I was jsut thinking about it the other night, and wonder if it would work | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas yeah , hence I find Exhange a bit brainless. | |
| <DaveMorris> we have an exchange server at work | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Davemorris it would . and it would be an ideal proposal for larger scale ( franchise ) roll outs. | |
| <DaveMorris> took me ages to work out why I couldn't authentic using SSL from thunderbird when sending mail | |
| <dsas> they had just decided exchange was the future as I left my placement. They're running on the sun mail/ldap setup + oracle calendar client atm :( | |
| <LoudMouthMan> did you know exhange out of the box does not handle catch all email addresss on a domain. you cant just dump * to email@domain.com | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Forgive me for being nosy, but what kind of ratio of work is linux compared to windows? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas, no probs . in general its about 60% windows 40% linux . but thats skewed by Desktops which run Windows. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> my mac clients help skew the figures . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> out of curiousity why would you ask ? | |
| <X3N> he's going to poach all your business | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Hmm, I'm just nosy. It interests me to see what amount of people are using linux. | |
| <dsas> and because I'm going to drive down to Brighton and steal your customers. | |
| <X3N> just don't deal with any public oganisations they all bum windows |
