<el56> Iophyte: ping

<johanbr> I've been toying with the idea of buying a new laptop and the Lenovos seem nice. There's a bunch of claims on the web that they offer/have offered/will offer the T60 with suse preinstalled. Does anyone know what the situation is, specifically in Canada?

<Solver> I have a T60 with Dapper installed

<Solver> actually I have several with Dapper installed

<johanbr> Could you get it without Windows?

<Solver> I didn't make the purchase, so not sure. I blew away the win-installs

<johanbr> Oh, so it had Windows installed, anyway? Did you buy from Lenovo directly?

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<tonyyarusso> johanbr: The SuSE preinstalled T60s are available by phone order only.

<tonyyarusso> But yes, they exist.

<johanbr> tonyyarusso: Cool, thanks. And they're available in Canada?

<tonyyarusso> johanbr: Should be, yeah. As long as they normally ship there, which they do, I don't anticipate a problem.

<tonyyarusso> johanbr: Ask Mark for a recommendation :P (He has two T60s)

<johanbr> Alright. Do you have one?

<tonyyarusso> I have a T43p that came with Windows.

<tonyyarusso> I wasn't into Linux yet when I bought mine (June 2005) - that came when my Hoary disks arrived in August ;)

<johanbr> Alright, sounds a lot better than when I bought my last laptop and asked HP Canada about buying without OS: "The FreeDOS version of the HP Compaq nx6125 is not available in Canada. While customers may modify their PC, or install a different operating system, they do so at their own risk. HP Total Care will only support the PC in its original configuration."

<tonyyarusso> "Fine. I'll buy a Lenovo then."

<tonyyarusso> They'll notice competitors' names being dropped.

<tonyyarusso> Also good is walking into computer retail stores, spending half an hour finding out all about a system, and finishing with asking which distributions it's available with. After the confusion and they mumble that it only has Windows, walk out.

<tonyyarusso> Anybody tried power line networking before?

<Madpilot> <deep breath> Just started the Dapper->Edgy upgrade

<jamonation> and and?

<jamonation> aptitude?

<Madpilot> using the GUI thing. only on step 2 of 5, ask me how it went tomorrow ;)

<jamonation> right

<Madpilot> ...had to delete a batch of stuff to make room in / - I really need a 2nd drive, and a complete reorganizing of my HDD partitions...

<Madpilot> Dog - 803Mb to come down! Here we go...

<Madpilot> 1185 files

<Madpilot> estimating 45min of download time, but we all know what these 'estimates' are like...

<PFA> does anyone here have a working .deb of limewire? :X

<sticker_ghost> woooOOOOOOooooooooooo

<sticker_ghost> Burgwork: Cleeeeaannn yourrr deessskkk

<sticker_ghost> wwwooooooOOOOooooo

<matjan> ryanakca, for phonetic alphabet, check symbols-letter.pdf ;-)

<Madpilot> sod it. I'm torrenting the 6.10 ISO twice as fast as the dist-upgrade is downloading. I'm just going to nuke and reinstall.

<Madpilot> correction, 3 to 5 times as fast :|

<koi-mobile> can you not use the cd as a repo? and update of it?

<koi-mobile> off*

<MagicFab> koi-mobile, sure. Edit it out from the /etc/apt/sources.list file

<MagicFab> koi-mobile, then of course apt-get update before anything else (all this assuming you use command line)

<Madpilot> koi-mobile, if I had a 6.10 CD, I would

<MagicFab> Synaptic lets you disable the CD-ROM as source too

<koi-mobile> ack

<koi-mobile> yes i remember now

<Madpilot> desktop CDs aren't usable as repos, afaik

<Madpilot> wow, I'm getting 200+ KB/s torrenting the ISO, and less that 35 KB/s from the servers on the dist-upgrade. Reinstalling FTW.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: what mirror?

<Madpilot> main archive

<tonyyarusso> weird

<Madpilot> I stopped using the .ca mirror last year

<Madpilot> the torrent's speed proves it's not my net connection or machine

<Madpilot> iso done, cd burning - 10min to burn that, then we can reinstall

<Madpilot> wish me luck - shutting down Dapper for the last time ;)

<Madpilot> evening robitaille

<lightrush> moo

<Madpilot> greetings from Edgy - finally

<addictedtothenet> hey all

<addictedtothenet> have a good night...

<ryanakca> matjan: where can I find it?

<matjan> ryanakca, http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf

<lophyte> hey all

<lophyte> jamonation: ping

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<lophyte> hey rexbron

<rexbron> hey lophyte

* rexbron != programmer

<rexbron> but wishes he could

<rexbron> too ambitious project

<el56> Hey all. I have a question about two packages that I haven't been able to find available for Ubuntu:

<el56> The first one is PHP with the patches applied from the PHP hardening project

<el56> http://www.hardened-php.net/

<el56> The other is the newest version of ClamAV. Even on Edgy, running 'freshclam' indicates that the ClamAV software being run is severely out of date

<rexbron> el56: for FreshClam, feisty should have the latest version (sorry no luck there) and I am not sure about hardened php

<el56> any chance it will be backported? ClamAV strikes me as something owrthy of the effort.

<rexbron> If you really need it now, consider compiling from source

<el56> understood. I just thought that something such as being current with ClamAV might be of general interest. IMO it's more critical to be current with sw like this than most other categories.

<el56> btw: is it an option to fetch the deb file from a feisty repository and apply it on an edgy system?

<tonyyarusso> sometimes

<el56> sometimes?

<el56> any clue on whether this is one of 'those' times? :-)

<tonyyarusso> nope

<tonyyarusso> I'd have to look up dependencies and build stuff.

<jamonation> el56: i discovered an superb distro the other day

<jamonation> called trinity rescue kit i think

<jamonation> it has 4 built in antivirus scanners that will update with a live internet connection

<jamonation> as well as full ntfs-3g support

<jamonation> and it boots off a USB key :)

<el56> sounds cool

<jamonation> useful more than cool

<jamonation> used it fo 2 clients in the last week alone

<jamonation> but that doesn't fix your clamav problem...

<el56> is it meant for repair/rescue, or as a stable server

<jamonation> as a livecd repair tool

<jamonation> no gui, just command line

<jamonation> strange, just thinking about ubuntu and clamav

<el56> so this is the replacement for the old Linuxcare business-card rescue disk?

<jamonation> you'd think that offering long term server support would entail having a good up to date virus scanner for mailservers and the like

<jamonation> pretty much, yeah, up to date lightweight distro

<jamonation> ntfs inclusion with virus scanning is the only reason to use it really

<jamonation> s/ntfs/ntfs-3g

<el56> The version on edgy is two releases behind what's current... not life-and-death, but as you say one would think that a virus scanner is something that a distro vendor would want to sync with pretty closely

<jamonation> yeah, running postfix or something, you'd want a current version for sure

<jamonation> what about dapper? that's the real test

<el56> or a samba server storing files for everyone

<jamonation> with 5 years of support on the server, maybe there's a good version in backports there

<jamonation> right

<el56> it hadn't occurred to me that dapper might have a newer version of clamav than edgy...

<el56> i don't have any dapper systems handy -- can anyone here help check this?

<jamonation> i doubt it very much

<jamonation> but you never know

<jamonation> http://debian.yorku.ca/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/clamav/clamav-base_0.90-1ubuntu1_all.deb is the deb that feisty likely uses

<jamonation> i don't, and kqemu image has gone missing somehow :(

<jamonation> that is, my dapper kqemu image

<el56> that (0.90) is current

<jamonation> el56: you can check here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages

<jamonation> 0.88.4-1

<el56> that (0.88) is what edgy uses too

<el56> so... how much danger am I in for if I try to apply the .deb from feisty on my edgy system?

<jamonation> if it installs but doesn't work, you can remove it with apt-get remove clamav --purge

<jamonation> so not much really

<jamonation> you might find you need all the 0.90 debs from that directory

<jamonation> might be worth it to try enabling the feisty repository for the install

<jamonation> but tonyyarusso said he thinks looking up dependencies would be a good idea

<el56> so... let me get this straight...

<jamonation> were it me, i'd build the program from source and use "checkinstall" to create a .deb file(s)

<el56> 1) I download the 0.90 deb file from york

<el56> 2) check dependencies

<el56> 3) download any dependencies

<el56> 4) install them all

<el56> sound right?

<jamonation> yes

<jamonation> i'd grab all the libclamav and clamav-daemon packages from york too

<jamonation> which is why it might be easier with synaptic or apt-get and enabling feisty temporarily

<jamonation> el56: hang on, this is on edgy correct?

<el56> yup

<jamonation> i have a qemu edgy image I can boot

<jamonation> I'll check it out for you

<el56> thx

<jamonation> hmm, it won't boot for some reason

<jamonation> this may help: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/utils/clamav

<jamonation> not sure what version of libc6 is used with edgy

<jamonation> careful with that

<el56> yeah, the libc6 in edgy is 2.4.1, the clam dependency requires >2.5

<jamonation> that would definitely cause some breakage

<el56> that's why I'm trying to make the case that clamav is one of the packages that should be considered for backporting

<jamonation> have you used checkinstall? you can build from source and then have checkinstall generate .debs for you

<jamonation> totally

<el56> not familiar with checkinstall. how does that work? Do I build from source into a directory, and the run checkinstall before doing `make install`?

<jamonation> exactly

<jamonation> checkinstall will run make install for you

<jamonation> but instead of putting files in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin

<jamonation> it will create a deb to do it for you

<jamonation> that way you can cleanly reinstall or uninstall

<jamonation> it's a handy tool if you aren't sure whether the makefile is setup properly for something like make uninstall etc.

<el56> which is why I've hesitated to build from source until now. that's also what's prevented me from installing hardened PHP, which is a patch applied against the PHP source.

<jamonation> i had the same issue with eaccelerator for php

<jamonation> you'll have to install checkinstall, but it's fairly straightforward to use

<jamonation> this is on an x86 box?

<el56> yup. I also have an athlon64, but that's less important for this purpose.

<jamonation> right

<jamonation> checkinstall tries to set the architecture to x86_64 instead of amd64 with debian, but that's a non-issue for now then

<el56> ... installing checkinstall now.

<el56> i'll give that a try. maybe then I can submit something to the backport group ;-)

<jamonation> or at least get them to wake up

<jamonation> i think they'd build it with something called pbuilder

<jamonation> which is a chrooted build environment

<el56> at that point it's an SEP :-)

<jamonation> sep?

<el56> someone else's problem

<jamonation> heh, got it

<jamonation> http://pbuilder.alioth.debian.org/#id250470

<jamonation> a quick description of what pbuilder is meant for

<el56> yes, but I don't need to learn that one. Checkinstall will be enough for me :-)

<lophyte> hey all

<tonyyarusso> hey

<lophyte> how's it going?

<tonyyarusso> Not too bad

<tonyyarusso> I have an interview tomorrow

<lophyte> nice, good luck

<lophyte> I applied for a position at CBC

<lophyte> unix technical analyst

<tonyyarusso> nice

<tonyyarusso> Mine's at a bike shop

<lophyte> yeah.. working with suse and freebsd

<tonyyarusso> You should read up on the Olympics broadcast from a while back - a CBC tech disaster management story. They might be impressed if you know about it.

<lophyte> nice.. thanks for the suggestion

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