<elkbuntu> nixternal, im not seeing your blog post yet
<nixternal> I see it :)
<elkbuntu> slacker :Þ
<nixternal> haha
<nixternal> man, I remember hanging out in this channel last year when there were less than 10 of us in here
<elkbuntu> :)
<elkbuntu> blame jono
<effie_jayx> nixternal, you grow ;)
<nixternal> heh
<effie_jayx> I was watching jono's statistics in his herding cats presentation
<effie_jayx> amazing numbers :O
<yann2> nixternal > i remember founding this channel ^^
<yann2> and i'm actually really please to see it used :)
<elkbuntu> shouldnt you be in bed? :Þ
<effie_jayx> elkbuntu, you summoned him it's your fault ;)
* vorian_ waves to Brunellus
<Brunellus> :porc:porc:porc:
<Brunellus> NU Ubuntu in da house, throw 'em up!
* vorian_ waves to ravtux and PriceChild
<ravtux> NU Ubuntu admin X 2
* ravtux waves to all
<pochu> ravtux: hi :)
<elkbuntu> hmmm.. this channel now has more users than my loco channel :(
<pochu> elkbuntu: hehe
<Brunellus> we just heard jono was here
<pochu> elkbuntu: what is your loco channel?
* vorian_ waves to elkbuntu
<elkbuntu> pochu, -au
<ravtux> Brunellus: now what were you saying the other night about US LoCo teams?
<pochu> elkbuntu: I can contribute to increase your channel people :)
<Brunellus> I was saying that the US LoCo teams are awesome, ravtux
<elkbuntu> pochu, then it wouldnt be genuine
<Brunellus> and our regional locoteams are a great way to support new loco teams
<ravtux> Brunellus: yes the are
<Brunellus> I think I also threatened to post one copy of The Federalist on jono's blog every day until he agreed.
* Brunellus grins
<ravtux> The importance of regional LoCo teams are key to the LoCo team success in the US
<Brunellus> think of regional loco teams as the accelerant
<ravtux> Brunellus: what does The Federalist entail?
<Brunellus> ravtux: the benefits of federalism, obviously
<Brunellus> in some places, it's brilliant. In others, it's dense. Alexander Hamilton was known for genius, if not necessarily concision.
<ravtux> Regional teams are a catalyst to LoCo team growth
<Brunellus> heh.
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<ravtux> wait what did Alexander Hamilton say?
<ravtux> jono: I have never talked to you, but I would like to introduce myself, Jozef
<Brunellus> jono's probably not even in front of the keyboard
* Brunellus laughs
<ravtux> lol
<jono> ravtux: hey :)
<jono> Brunellus: oi!
<jono> :P
<ravtux> jono: how goes it?
<Brunellus> ooooOOOooh. the jono SPEAKS.
<jono> ravtux: good thanks :)
<jono> Brunellus: ocassionally :P
<ravtux> Brunellus: now see what you did you woke the Jono
<jono> I am known for being quiet and retiring
<jono> :P
<jono> so hows it going folks?
<Brunellus> jono: when you're not bullying Ade on Lugradio
<ravtux> it is going good Jono
<jono> Brunellus: :)
<ravtux> we would like to talk to you about the importance of regional teams, specifically the NU Ubuntu Team
<Brunellus> we hear you've been hating on the whole 'regional team' concept
<jono> Brunellus: as in, town based teams?
<jono> which country?
<ravtux> In our region we have been the catalyst behind state and city LoCo team formation
<ravtux> US
<Brunellus> jono, USA. 'region' for us is multiple states
<ravtux> NU Ubuntu Team
<jono> right
<Brunellus> what's your objection
<jono> yeah I think state based teams make sense, with regional teams as part of those state teams
<ravtux> Northeastern United States Ubuntu Local Community Team
<jono> otherwise its way too granular
<Brunellus> jono: it's actually the other way around
<jono> oh right
<jono> you mean collections of states?
<Brunellus> correct jono
<jono> right
<Brunellus> within the state teams, you could subdivide, conceivably
<Brunellus> by city
<jono> I think its great to have US locos at a state level, but to have coalitions of teams as regional groups, like you say
<Brunellus> oh ok.
<Brunellus> generally, we see the regional team as supporting the creation & activities of state teams
<ravtux> Jono so you do see the importance of Regional Teams in the overall state and city team formation?
<Brunellus> and also providing a nice excuse to have dinner and nerd out on occasion
<jono> yes
* Brunellus tells it like it is.
<ravtux> Jono I official invite you to our next meet up
<jono> I think its great having coalitions of teams, but each team should be state level
<jono> ravtux: which meet up?
<Brunellus> jono, NU Ubuntu team
<Brunellus> come hungry
<Brunellus> ;p
<ravtux> in the DC area
<jono> cool
<jono> would love to
<jono> but I am in the UK
<jono> next time I am over there though :)
<Brunellus> I mean, DC's a long way from Wolvs
<jono> was considering a US tour of groups
* elkbuntu chuckles
<Brunellus> but, y'know.
<jono> if there is demand I could do it
<ravtux> that would be nice
<ravtux> we demand it...LOL
<Brunellus> ahaha. we could manufacture a crowd
<jono> basically, blog about it and it spurs it happening :)
<ravtux> we will work on getting the local LUGS involved too
<jono> cool
<Brunellus> except those beardy geezers from novalug
<jono> heh
<ravtux> DC being the capital of the US would be a great place for you to start
<ravtux> and we can help you plan your tour
<Brunellus> ravtux: we could hook him up with the NU locoteams
<Brunellus> an underground railroad of Ubuntu locoteams
<ravtux> our meet ups UUG are usually surrounded by good food, lappys and good friends
<ravtux> we have started a grass roots effort to create a Local UUG (Ubuntu Users Group)
<Brunellus> yeah we're prety awesome.
<vorian_> you guys are great!
<Brunellus> sssh, vorian_ . We'll hit ohio soon.
<Brunellus> maybe *I'll* hit ohio
<ravtux> we try to coordinate with LUGS and other Linux devs too
<yann2> is there a point in making concurrents to LUG?
<yann2> why not contribute to lugs?
<Brunellus> yann2, depends
<ravtux> Mac almost had Ian Mudock at our first meet up
<Brunellus> my Lug meets at an inconvenient time for me
<yann2> just imagine if we have SUG, MUG, ....
<yann2> not sure that's a good idea...
<ravtux> Mac = Mackenzie our other regional group admin
<Brunellus> consider UUGs as subsets of larger LUGs.
<ravtux> shes having an Oscars party tonight btw
<Brunellus> or, if Linux usergroups were a political party, consider us ubuntu guys as a caucus within that party
<ravtux> lol nice
<joe_cot> so where's this debate? all i see is invitations to dinner :)
<Brunellus> there was a miscommunication as to the meaning of 'regional'
<Brunellus> (I think)
<Brunellus> having fixed that
<Brunellus> we're going on to the important things in life
<Brunellus> dinner and ubuntu.
<Brunellus> but mostly dinner
<ravtux> jono: Jono so if we can get enough demand form the US LoCo teams Canonical Ltd. will send you here?
<ravtux> Brunellus: food is very important
<Brunellus> hahaha. will canonical buy beer, too?
<jono> ravtux: yep
<Brunellus> shipit pizzas?
<ravtux> free as in free bear
<jono> thats the way it works
<jono> build a buzz, and I get sent over
<jono> :)
<ravtux> we will work on the buzz
<ravtux> Brunellus: can you start a sticky thread in the cafe?
<Vorian> We could plan something for the Ohio Linuxfest
<Vorian> its in September
<Brunellus> thta'd be modabuse
<Brunellus> ;p
<ravtux> since our team effort was instrumental in getting Jabber added to our forums
<jono> sounds good
<Brunellus> ravtux, that was mostly our whining and ryan finally getting it done.
<ravtux> Brunellus: atleast we get things done
<Brunellus> nah, that was all ryan. we whined effectively, though
<ravtux> Brunellus: we can start a sticky in our LoCo teams forum atleast
<Brunellus> probably.
<ravtux> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=190
<Brunellus> although if I'm jono
<Brunellus> I'm going to hit up the argentine loco
<ravtux> why?
<Brunellus> have you ever read their forum
<Brunellus> it is occasionally *hilarious*
<Brunellus> also, I've always wanted to go to argentina. ;p
<Brunellus> sabdfl could just rocket me over
<ravtux> and miss the Shawarmas!
<ravtux> jono: our next meet up is at Max's in Silver Spring, Maryland, home of the worlds best Shawarma!
<jono> woo! sounds great
<jono> I do have a few US trips planned
<ravtux> jono: you like shawarma?
<Brunellus> I'm gonna have to put Max's to the test
<jono> but not for a while
<jono> shawarma?
<Brunellus> shawarma == arabic for kebab, if I'm not mistaken
<ravtux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawarma
<jono> yum
<jono> looks awesome
<ravtux> (Arabic: شاورما‎; Hebrew: שווארמה‎), from the Turkish word çevirme (turning) which is another name used for döner kebab
<Brunellus> yay unicode. I read that
<ravtux> ahh
<ravtux> jono: I am glad to hear that you do in fact support Regional LoCo teams
<jono> indeed :)
<jono> but they are not teams
<jono> but coalitions
<jono> I would like them to be considered teams but instead groupings
<jono> I think it makes more sense
<ravtux> jono: it is important to point out that we are here to help State and City teams in our region to grow and coordinate
<jono> excellent
<jono> the loco project is kicking some serious ass
<ravtux> perhaps we should be called a Ubuntu ReCo Team
<ravtux> Regional Community team
<Brunellus> ravtux, so long as we're not RICO
<ravtux> RICO?
<Brunellus> RICO is the federal anti-racketeering/gang statute
<jono> heh
<jono> I think it would make sense to have a special section for team coalitions
<ravtux> Brunellus: you are the Esquire
<ravtux> jono: yes
<Vorian> :)
<ravtux> jono: it would help on a local coordiantion level
<jono> the work going on with the US effort makes much of this worthwhile
<jono> yes indeed
<ravtux> we and LoCo teams would be much more effective if this became official
<ravtux> in a workable infrastructure way
<Vorian> what kind of infrastructure ravtux ?
<ravtux> regional>state>city
<Brunellus> infrastructure: railroads, roads, ports
<Brunellus> oh wait.
<jono> ravtux: I will make it an official thing
<ravtux> cool
<Brunellus> w00t!
<jono> I will look at it this week
* Vorian highfives jono and ravtux
<jono> I will post to loco contacts
<jono> np :)
<jono> remind me though tomorrow, my memory is shit
<Vorian> I knew you guys would get along :)
* Brunellus jubilates.
<ravtux> jono: I would elect Vorian to head up a midwest regional team
<Vorian> pfft!
<Brunellus> easy, ravtux
<Brunellus> let the midwesterners do it
<Vorian> Ohio's enough for me
<Brunellus> they know how to do this sort of thing
<ravtux> Vorian: ok
<Brunellus> besides, the midwest is friggin' HUGE.
<Vorian> :)
<Brunellus> even if it is mostly corn.
<Brunellus> CornBuntu!
<ravtux> Brunellus: the best we can do is lead by example
<Vorian> /cs k Brunellus
<ravtux> Vorian: I realize your plate is full
<Vorian> hi Zelut
<ravtux> Vorian: but you contribution is great
<Vorian> ravtux, you should try and coordinate with the US teams project
<Brunellus> we do have to start thinking about more substantive work we can do at the regional level though
<ravtux> yes Mac has put the final touch on her work
<jono> brb
<ravtux> She has converted 10 computers at my work to Edubuntu
<Brunellus> some of the states in our region are pretty big. NY is a huge state. VA is a huge state (in terms of extent), as is PA
<ravtux> yes and Southern Maine is a world of difference from Northern Maine
<Brunellus> ravtux, that's not really the point
<Vorian> lol
<ravtux> oh
<Brunellus> what I'm trying to think through is
<ravtux> yes?
<Brunellus> how do we get activity going through the whole region
<ravtux> If you look at the local forum
<Brunellus> I mean, around us, in the DC/noVA/MD area, it's pretty easy
<Vorian> Brunellus, thats easy
<ravtux> we have inspired many new LoCo teams
<Vorian> find leaders in each state/city
<ravtux> Maine, Massachusetts, New York, Pittsburgh, etc
<Brunellus> so I guess what we're supposed to be going is encouraging?
<ravtux> encouraging and helping set up
<Vorian> what do you mean Brunellus?
<Brunellus> If we can be a bit of a clearinghouse for loco activity in our region until the teams get big enough to be self-sustaining
<ravtux> also JD just moved to NYC
<ravtux> yes
<Brunellus> yeah. Brooklynbuntu.
<ravtux> we are here to help farm and nurture LoCo teams on the state and city level within our region
<ravtux> also to help pool our resources when needed
<ravtux> when ever we travel to any state within our region we can plan a meet up just as Jono plans to meet us here in the US
* dthacker finishes reading the backlog and says hello!
<Brunellus> hello dthacker
<Brunellus> most of the backlog is my bloviating
<ravtux> blovating?
<Brunellus> bloviating. you know, like many senators do.
<Vorian> hey dthacker
<ravtux> Brunellus: I looked it up, can you please explain the term deeper?
<dthacker> The regional team concept struggles a bit in the midwest US, I think
<Brunellus> dthacker, yeah I was thinking, because of the large geographical region
<Vorian> dthacker = nebraska right?
<Brunellus> but generally, we think of the regional level as more a coordinating/encouraging thing. . .
<dthacker> Nebraska team is an example. We are in the largest city.
<ravtux> dthacker: this is why I encourage City teams also
<ravtux> prime example is Philly and Pittsburgh
<ravtux> a user in Pittsburgh is more likely to meet in Ohio then Philly
<dthacker> We've annexed Western Iowa until Iowa group develops on their own because much of it is within a few hours drive
<ravtux> This is an important point in the US is economic sphere of influence
<Brunellus> dthacker, that's pretty much what the regional team does anyway
<ravtux> yes
<Brunellus> eventually, there are enough people in the target area to get another loco team going
<Brunellus> so it grows, and you all stay affiliated.
<ravtux> This is why a regional team can be instrumental in the State and City LoCo team development and growth
<dthacker> The states I would work with are not in my region, though
<dthacker> brb must refresh my memory of Nebraska's region
<ravtux> has there been a regional team developed in your area?
<Brunellus> ravtux, there's a SW Ubuntu regional loco
<Brunellus> yay. dinnertime
<ravtux> and a Northwest regional team
<dthacker> I'm far more likely to gravitate to Denver than Ohio, but I see there is a Kansas City groupt forming and they are
<ravtux> ok guys I have to check out for Dinner
<dthacker> logical partners, distance and logistics wise
<dthacker> bye ravtux
<ravtux> bye all
<ravtux> have a great night
<Vorian> :) ravtux
<dthacker> Anybody got a good recruiting tip?
<Vorian> dthacker, ubuntuforums
<dthacker> look for locals in ubuntu forums?
<Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=183
<Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=181
<Vorian> dthacker, ubuntu forums has helped our team explode with membership
* Vorian is on the Ohio team
<dthacker> They found you through the foruns? By searching on ubuntuforums.org?
<Vorian> not really...
<Vorian> :)
* dthacker is already running a mailing list, an irc channel, and does not want more overhead.....
<dthacker> unless it's more fruitful than the mailing list and irc
<Vorian> I started the Ohio team
<Zelut> we get a decent amount of exposure via the ubuntuforums
<Vorian> The forums have been my number one engine in membership growth.
<Zelut> we use every method me can in a 'no man left behind' kind of approach :)
<dthacker> Perhaps I'm wrong, but I saw the forums as a tech support mechanism, and we're too small to offer tech support
<Vorian> dthacker, the forums have a significant amount of space for community
<Zelut> dthacker: our members just contribute to the forums as a whole, not for utah specifically.. and through that activity make our team & state more visible.
<dthacker> That might help. I'll have to look into it.
<Zelut> forum sigs, they're great :)
* Vorian highfives Zelut! Tru Dat!
* dthacker adds forum reading to to-do list.
<Zelut> at a recent meeting for ubuntu utah we challenged team members to do 100 posts each for a month.
<Zelut> it'll hugely help out the forums--the beginner area needs volunteers--but also help publicize the utah team & loco teams ideal.
<Vorian> great idea
<dthacker> that would be a good thing to send to the mailing list
<sn9> Zelut: a 'no man left behind' approach is too exclusive. a cucumber should not be left behind simply for not being a man, regardless of what other reasons may be valid
<Vorian> sn9, we have a communications team that helps to get the message out to all types of users, forum, irc, mailing list, etc...
<Vorian> some people hate forums
<Vorian> some people hate the mailing list
<sn9> well, that's more of a "broadcast" approach
<Vorian> sn9, it has worked very well for us.
<Vorian> We have several specialized teams...
<dthacker> I'm not a forum fan. Mailing lists come to me, I have to go scurry around forums to find things
<sn9> if you broadcast sunlight into a forest, not much of the forest is able to receive any of it aside from the tops of the trees
<Vorian> ?
<Zelut> sn9: you're very philosophical today
<sn9> just sending messages out doesn't do much -- people need to be sent out
<sn9> Zelut: sorry, i've just spent a couple of days with rms
<Vorian> how do you do that in California?
<sn9> Vorian: i'm not at all saying it's an easy thing to do
<Vorian> Whats not easy?
<Vorian> We have weekly irc meetings
<Vorian> Create action plans
<Vorian> get the message out through our communication vehicles.
<sn9> finding people to create community from within is never easy
<dthacker> Vorian, what is the size of the metro area you are located in? And what is your active base?
<sn9> and at least some of it does need to be from within
<dthacker> sn9 ++
<Vorian> dthacker, Im in the country
<Vorian> rural
<Vorian> https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio
<dthacker> so where do you get all these people?
<Vorian> rrittenhouse, how did you find our team?
<rrittenhouse> It was Ubuntu Open Week (IIRC) I pretty much got it by word of mouth
<sn9> dthacker: when i was in the central valley, traversing relatively immense distances by car routinely felt like walking down the block does now
<dthacker> sn9, yes I used to omaha-austin,tx three times a year.
<sn9> you used to omaha three times a year in austin? ;->
<dthacker> hehe, too much brevity
<dthacker> my point is, I have 11 on the mailing list, 4 active, and a good meeting has 3. It's difficult to carve that up into committees
<sn9> you don't need any committees even with slightly more people
<dthacker> No, I need people
<dthacker> or rather, the LoCo does.
<sn9> anything that works better by committee should then dictate that everyone does it all
<Vorian> dthacker, as I was saying earlier, the forums have been a tremendous growth engine.
<sn9> the rest would be individual tasks without supervision
<dthacker> well, I'll look at that. I'm looking at a BarCamp, I'm speaking to HS student. If I can get half a dozen bodies, we can do more of a roadshow for small towns
<sn9> i think a starting point for growth would be to ask the 11 on the mailing list whether they know anyone who might become more interested than they are
<dthacker> sn9: that is an excellent idea
<Vorian> :)
<dthacker> Well, it's time to go moderate spam, Thanks for you suggestions. Hopefully I'll see you at some events this year.
<sn9> also, it might help not to exclude other distros from what you advocate. showing a contrast between ubuntu and other distros is still a way of promoting ubuntu
<Zelut> dthacker: make it a priority to work with any LUG in your state. They all have ubuntu users
<dthacker> We cooperate with OLUG
<Zelut> I took time & dug up the mailing lists and LUG presidents from all over the state and hit them up.
<Zelut> have them mention to their users, also offer them CDs and things
<dthacker> I'm doing that too, but there are only 3 active at this time
<dthacker> I'm trying to get IT organizations in local colleges, too
<sn9> just make sure they're not student organizations
<Zelut> why not?
<sn9> the turnover inevitably kills them
<dthacker> no, I would talk to student organizations, but not start LoCo teams at Wassamatta U
<Zelut> I'm closing up for the day guys. Its been fun.
<Zelut> You know where to find me :)
<dthacker> me too, thanks Zelut, sn9
<sn9> assuming you find any extant student organizations that can do anything to help you
<dthacker> sn9, won't know will I try.
<dthacker> see you around.
<sn9> rule of thumb: any extant GNU/Linux student organization's days are quite numbered
<Vorian> see ya dthacker!
<Vorian> good luck
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<bordy> hm, guess i figured it out.
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<Soltek> hi
<mruiz> hey Joe_CoT
<mruiz> ups, hey jono
<jono> hey mruiz
<elkbuntu> bwahaha.. we're up to our expected 5 loco docs day pimpin blog posts on the planet
<mruiz> hey jono
<Mirv> has anyone heard anything about the mailing list request situation?
<markvandenborre> would anyone here be interested in compiling a set of essential loco docs
<markvandenborre> from the wiki as it stands right now?
<markvandenborre> into something more easily translatable
<markvandenborre> I would happily budget 20 hours of my time for that
<markvandenborre> if other people around here can convince me they find enough value in that idea
<markvandenborre> to join me
<markvandenborre> I would like to see two others before starting
<markvandenborre> so if you'd like to join me, please make some noise about it
<mruiz> hey jono
<jono> mruiz: hey, lets talk in 10 mins
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<yharrow> @schedule New_York
<effie_jayx> hey nixternal what about some Docs Day info on the topic ;)
<theidiotthatisme> Howdy
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<Vorian> hey theidiotthatisme
<theidiotthatisme> I've read a lot about the LoCo Docs Day
<theidiotthatisme> I'm very interested now :-)
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<FunnyLookinHat> theidiotthatisme, sweet : ) We'd love to have all the help we can get
<theidiotthatisme> FunnyLookinHat: Is there a place I can read more about it? I already posted a notice on our LoCo's forum
<FunnyLookinHat> theidiotthatisme, as far as I know, the entirety of it is at wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay
<theidiotthatisme> FunnyLookinHat: Thank's a bunch
<FunnyLookinHat> no problem : )

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