| <jamesbrose> good morning :] | |
| <X3N_> Anyone alive ? | |
| <Alopex> anyone awake? | |
| <X3N_> you have to wait more than 1 minute sheesh | |
| * dsas experiences deja vu | |
| <Sionide> ...? | |
| <dsas> same conversation, same people, different channel. | |
| * dsas goes to bed | |
| <popey> mooooooo | |
| <LoudMouthMan> where am I : Horsham , Where was i supposed to be : Fosdem , What Happened : A Client had a DOS attack against their mail server and Im still fixing it this weekend! grrrr | |
| <popey> :{ | |
| <LoudMouthMan> tickets, collected journey started, text recieved ( mail down ) I log in and see like a gazzillion connection attempts from SA to clients mailservers ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and its a series of compromised boxes at clients in SA that is causing this .. I want my weekend back and if I ever meet the gits that orchestrated this they are so going to get a fat lip ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I watched my friday tickaway, my blood pressure rise and eventually at 7pm we called it a day ! so sorry popey I just got your text . the closest I got to Fosdem was gatwick ! | |
| <dotwaffle> You haven't missed much. Just a great conference, good beer, cheap food, good poeple ane me getting locked in a toilet... | |
| <popey> hah.. some guy just came over and asked if my pda run linux | |
| <popey> ffs | |
| <LoudMouthMan> on the upside .. I do get paid for all the work and ive signed the client up to Message labs ( sales bonus for that as well ! ) and we are distributing their mail usage. | |
| <popey> LISTEN to the talk | |
| * popey wishes ppl would save their questions till the end | |
| <LoudMouthMan> your ina talk then popey ? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> nouveau | |
| <popey> the open nvidia driver | |
| * LoudMouthMan is at home , logged into clients machine and testing exim configs. ironically if this had been an exchange box we would have been uttlerly stuffed because it would scale to so many PCs so quickly due to not being able to buy a license at short notice. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> we now have 3 boxes ( one smarthost with spam and packet filtering in place ) , one message delivery host for all outbound mail , and one inbound host for all content passed by the smart host. so thats 3 boxes quickly and deftly set up from Live CD in under 4 hours. the rest is just testing and tracking connections to black list them. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well dotWaffle and popey im glad theres a few enjoying the event will there be videos later ? | |
| <popey> some | |
| <popey> not all rooms have video facilities | |
| <LoudMouthMan> cool ! | |
| <popey> the dev rooms dont - most | |
| <LoudMouthMan> im justy grabbnig the LRL mix and arranging some torrents. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gabbnig being the new word for how I feel ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> right .. I will leave you all to beer and talk im off to town ! | |
| <popey> ttfn | |
| <mdke> morning all | |
| <tsmithe> hi mdke | |
| <popey> morning | |
| <selinuxium> hi all :) | |
| <selinuxium> popey: i asked this question yesterday and no one seemed to be around... | |
| <selinuxium> with all the posts flying around in the mailing lists, i was wondering if there should be an Ubuntu Activism page in the wiki, if there isn't already one, to deal with petitioning MPs and responses, stuff like that. | |
| <popey> selinuxium: it is a wiki | |
| <popey> selinuxium: if you want a page on the wiki, make one | |
| <selinuxium> HI popey, i was wondering whether it was a good idea? | |
| <popey> i have not read the mailing list for a few days | |
| <popey> i am in belgium at fosdem | |
| <selinuxium> lucky popey :) | |
| <X3N_> We need to find some more hosting for ubuntu-uk.org | |
| <GazzaK> X3N_, thanks for that podcast - it's funny | |
| <X3N_> no prob | |
| *** X3N_ is now known as X3N | |
| <X3N> how are you doing ? | |
| <GazzaK> X3N_, hosting - euhosts.net ??? | |
| <X3N> I might be able to get hosting from my friend who is in the business for free | |
| <GazzaK> I'm doing okay, saw Ella, my niece, she is fab | |
| <X3N> or we could go with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting | |
| <X3N> good good | |
| <X3N> the problem with the LoCoHosting is that it's quite difficult for things to get done, like i'd have to raise a ticket to do X y | |
| <popey> X3N: i will gladly host ubuntu-uk.org | |
| <X3N> that sounds cool | |
| <X3N> would you be able to get me ssh ? , it's pretty esential for maintaining the planet | |
| <popey> what you after? p | |
| <popey> yes if i hosted it | |
| <GazzaK> popey, p??? | |
| <GazzaK> p | |
| <popey> typo | |
| <X3N> php/python and abilities to do vhosts | |
| * GazzaK cuddles popey | |
| <popey> ok | |
| <popey> :] | |
| <X3N> python doesn't have to be a cgi though so that's easy :) | |
| <popey> i am still at fosdemin .be talk to me tomorrow about it? | |
| <X3N> tomorrow would be great | |
| <popey> cool | |
| * X3N got an email today saying "Ummm... I need to reinstall my server Real Soon; besides, one of its | |
| <X3N> disks has been making interesting noises for some time now." | |
| <X3N> "You need to get new hosting." | |
| <popey> yping on this PDA is painful | |
| <popey> eek | |
| <popey> back stuff up | |
| <X3N> done :) | |
| <popey> cool | |
| <GazzaK> popey, you still there? woooo | |
| <X3N> apparently he had already emailed loudmouthman about the situation some time ago :o | |
| <popey> ye | |
| <GazzaK> bring me back some chocolates? | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <GazzaK> please | |
| <GazzaK> and some belgian hot chocolate, yum yum | |
| <popey> cant guarantee i wont eat them on the eurostar | |
| <GazzaK> :'( | |
| <GazzaK> post them to me from there :-) | |
| <popey> ;> | |
| <GazzaK> it can be a late birthday pressie | |
| <X3N> when was your birthday ? | |
| <popey> i better go | |
| <X3N> catch you later popey | |
| <GazzaK> bye popey | |
| <GazzaK> have fun | |
| <popey> need to get the bus | |
| <popey> ttfn | |
| <GazzaK> X3N, on the 2nd | |
| <X3N> oh right | |
| <GazzaK> be good | |
| * GazzaK is old now | |
| <GazzaK> alledgedly I need to act mature now | |
| <X3N> so you're about 83 now right ? | |
| <GazzaK> 30 | |
| <X3N> ohh | |
| <X3N> we're both a x0 number this year | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, I'm ten years your senior, so you better respect me :p | |
| <X3N> or multiple of 10 i should say as that makes more sense | |
| * X3N blows rasberys in GazzaK's general direction | |
| <GazzaK> sotn? where is that fazza | |
| <fazza> hello? | |
| <GazzaK> hello fazza | |
| <fazza> hello GazzaK | |
| <fazza> what's sotn mean? | |
| <X3N> maybe it's sutton but spelt wrong | |
| <GazzaK> it's part of your hostmask | |
| <GazzaK> fazza (n=farran@cpc2-sout5-0-0-cust45.sotn.cable.ntl.com) has joined #ubuntu-uk | |
| <fazza> oh yh | |
| <GazzaK> mine is colch.cable.ntl.com as I'm colchester | |
| <fazza> no idea what that's for | |
| <fazza> doesn't seem to make any sense | |
| <GazzaK> whats the nearest town? | |
| <fazza> southampton | |
| <fazza> oh yeah | |
| <GazzaK> thats a weird abreviation | |
| <fazza> lol | |
| <X3N> full list : http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/97/33602429-list-ntl-proxy-servers.html | |
| <GazzaK> X3N, you geek | |
| <X3N> :p | |
| <fazza> yup, itis | |
| <fazza> *it is | |
| * X3N has to go back to writing lots of C/C++ | |
| <Seeker`> fazza: Whereabouts in the uk are you? | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: Anything interesting | |
| <Seeker`> fazza: Nvm, just read up | |
| <fazza> southampton | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: Southampton can be abbreviated soton, so it looks like a shortened version of that | |
| <fazza> off the subject completely, what are the xChat commands? | |
| <X3N> I'm making a London underground Circle line thinger which tells you facts about stations and stuff, using linked lists and pointers | |
| <fazza> im quite new to it | |
| <X3N> there are lots fazza | |
| <fazza> oh. is daviey there? | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: Having to do a GUI? or command line? | |
| <fazza> and Norf-ubu | |
| <daviey> fazza, yes sir | |
| <fazza> hullo | |
| <daviey> fazza, whats up | |
| <X3N> fazza: /help gives you a list | |
| <X3N> and you can then do /help <command> | |
| <fazza> im good thanks | |
| <fazza> you? | |
| <fazza> thanks X3N | |
| <X3N> you can also tab complete commands | |
| <fazza> k | |
| <X3N> and channels and nicknames | |
| <fazza> does anyone know a good shop/online shop where I can get relatively cheap new pc to muck around with? | |
| <fazza> daviey, I'm using xChat now and I'm back on my lovely ubuntu laptop | |
| <fazza> :) | |
| <daviey> good lad | |
| <fazza> :P | |
| <X3N> fazza: i'd build your own | |
| <fazza> yh, well i WOULd, but that's also kinda expensive for a 14 yr old's pocket money to stretch to... | |
| <Seeker`> fazza: Its not that much more expensive | |
| <Seeker`> if you want a cheap system, you could probably find something on ebuyer for a couple of hundred quid | |
| <fazza> no.... I'll have a look | |
| <Seeker`> or dell | |
| <fazza> ebuyer... yeah, i've got a list of possible components and a lot are from there | |
| <fazza> dell's expensive isn't it? | |
| <X3N> dell are a bit overpriced | |
| <fazza> hang on, just gonna restart this | |
| <fazza> back | |
| <fazza> hello AndrewWilliams | |
| <X3N> fazza: the problem with pre-built machines is that you can't tinker with them without voiding the warrenty they also tend to be less upgradeable e.g. only 1 pci slot for example | |
| <X3N> also by building your own you can reuse stuff you have and build it up slowly spreading the cost | |
| <X3N> and it's more fun | |
| <fazza> yeah | |
| <fazza> ive had a go at taking stuff from old pc's and putting them in ours | |
| <fazza> we now have 407mb ram ar something stupid | |
| <X3N> heheh | |
| <fazza> :) | |
| <fazza> hello? | |
| <fazza> anyone? | |
| <fazza> it's a bit quiet | |
| <fazza> hello Norf-ubu | |
| <Norf-ubu> g'day | |
| <fazza> hello Sionide | |
| <fazza> brb | |
| <Sionide_> hey | |
| <Sionide_> stupid flipping wireless ;/ | |
| <fazza> back | |
| <X3N> Sionide_: do you do C/C++ on your course ? | |
| <Sionide_> yeah, doing C at the moment | |
| *** Sionide_ is now known as Sionide | |
| <Seeker`> C is fun :D | |
| <X3N> have you done linked lists ? | |
| <Sionide> only done 6 hours of lectures on it | |
| <Sionide> done basics and pointers | |
| <X3N> oh right | |
| <X3N> I wonder why you're doing C after doing java | |
| <Sionide> with this annoying french guy with a *really* strong accent, heh | |
| <Sionide> cos java is the "industry standard" apparently | |
| <X3N> Sionide: our lecturer is russian with very bad english | |
| * Seeker` did Java before C | |
| <X3N> hmm, doesn't make much sense as it's a higher level language than C, learning java would be easier if you know the lower levels that happen in C | |
| <Sionide> i know | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: But you could argue that as it is more abstracted, you dont need to know as much about the internal workings of the machine to understand it properly | |
| <X3N> I think i've got a java module comeing up | |
| <X3N> yeah i suppose so | |
| <X3N> I wish we were going to be taught python and gtk2 bindings ;) | |
| * Seeker` disappears for 30 mins | |
| <dsas> we did java first then C | |
| <dsas> in fact we did java, then C, then no java modules just C and .net for the whole second year. then they introduce java again for the final year | |
| <fazza> laptop's alive!!!!!! | |
| <fazza> hello | |
| <fazza> hi X3N | |
| <fazza> is anyone there? | |
| <constrictor> fazza: i have found that the channel is usually quiet on sundays | |
| <fazza> ok | |
| <fazza> thanks | |
| <fazza> i was talking to some of them earlier | |
| <Norf-ubu> and most days with a Z in it.... | |
| <Norf-ubu> mundiz | |
| <fazza> hehe | |
| <Norf-ubu> tuezdiz | |
| <fazza> wiznizdizzzzziz | |
| <Norf-ubu> thats the one | |
| <fazza> laptop is partially alive | |
| <Norf-ubu> n1 | |
| <constrictor> what laptop is it? | |
| <fazza> advent 6411 | |
| <fazza> so i will leave it to properly regain correct concsiousness while i eat | |
| <fazza> i may not be back | |
| <fazza> if not i will speak to you peopleziz | |
| <constrictor> ok well have a good meal and good luck with it | |
| <fazza> possibly on mondiz | |
| <fazza> thanks | |
| <fazza> :) | |
| <Norf-ubu> yeah catch u laterz :P | |
| <fazza> bye constrictor, Norf-ubu and daviey and Gord when they come ack | |
| <fazza> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | |
| <fazza> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz | |
| <fazza> ... | |
| <Seeker`> lo | |
| <constrictor> hello Seeker` | |
| <medders> hi everyone | |
| <GazzaK> hi medders | |
| <fazza> hello again! | |
| <fazza> has anyone managed to install iTunes using wine? | |
| <fazza> Norf-ubu, there is no z in sunday | |
| <Norf-ubu> sundiz | |
| <fazza> sundiss | |
| <Norf-ubu> i'm from the the Black Country - it's Sundiz :P | |
| <fazza> oh | |
| <fazza> oh well | |
| <fazza> get over it | |
| <fazza> :) | |
| <X3N> the regulars in #C++ channels seem so aggressive | |
| <Norf-ubu> lol | |
| <GazzaK> wouldn't you be | |
| <Norf-ubu> its the +'s - higher testosterone levels | |
| <X3N> if you go in there and ask something you'll probably get the answer but also a torrent of abuse too | |
| <Norf-ubu> tourettes ? | |
| <GazzaK> cool, I'm off to play then | |
| <fazza> calm down... | |
| <GazzaK> what really simple and annoy questions can I ask? | |
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| <Norf-ubu> "how do i print "hello world" on the screen ? | |
| <GazzaK> pretty dots | |
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| <GazzaK> type "hello world" | |
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| * X3N smacks fazza | |
| <GazzaK> fazza, stop it | |
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| <X3N> stop it ! | |
| <Norf-ubu> ask in #c++ | |
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| <fazza> hello world | |
| <fazza> whyt? | |
| <fazza> ow! | |
| <fazza> they wouldn't answer | |
| <fazza> just once more...? | |
| <fazza> .·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.· | |
| <fazza> hehe | |
| <fazza> so.·.·.·.has anyone installed itunes using wine? | |
| <Norf-ubu> fazza, you know that really annoying person at Uni that really cheeses you off | |
| * X3N has fazza on ignore now for his own sanity :/ | |
| <Norf-ubu> thats you that is | |
| <fazza> no... | |
| <Norf-ubu> and as for iTunes... no | |
| <fazza> I go to secondary school | |
| <fazza> hence the age of 14... | |
| <Norf-ubu> figures | |
| <GazzaK> yeah | |
| <fazza> sorry | |
| <fazza> X3N | |
| <Norf-ubu> no need, just don't do it again when asked! | |
| <fazza> was it you who said about building my own pc | |
| <fazza> ?? | |
| <fazza> please speak to me | |
| <fazza> i'll be nice now | |
| <Norf-ubu> fazza, have you got an Nvidia card in your laptop | |
| <GazzaK> honest? | |
| <fazza> yup | |
| <Norf-ubu> have you got Beryl installed ? | |
| <fazza> no i haven't got an nvidia card | |
| <Norf-ubu> oh ok | |
| <fazza> sorry | |
| <fazza> i tried compiz once | |
| <fazza> and luckily i managed to uninstall it from memory | |
| <fazza> couldn't access the login | |
| <Norf-ubu> riiiiiiiiiiiight ok | |
| <fazza> so i had to uninstall it from terminal | |
| <fazza> got ina bit of trouble with parents | |
| <fazza> hehe | |
| <fazza> was that enough? | |
| <Norf-ubu> sure | |
| <fazza> where's 'pete' Sio? | |
| <fazza> the place in this -> 'Sio (n=sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust676.pete.cable.ntl.com) has joined #ubuntu-uk' | |
| <GazzaK> peterbourgh | |
| <fazza> aaaaaahhh | |
| <fazza> did you guess or did you look it up | |
| <GazzaK> it's kinda obvious if you have done geography | |
| <fazza> sorry | |
| <GazzaK> thats okay, I'll forgive you this once | |
| <GazzaK> :p | |
| <fazza> don't like geography | |
| <GazzaK> me neither | |
| <X3N> 19:22 < Adrinael> X3N, how about doing as instructed instead of hobbling around and guessing whether it will work | |
| <X3N> here it comes :) | |
| <X3N> this is when i know the answer is close | |
| <GazzaK> rtfm :p | |
| <fazza> sorry | |
| <fazza> didn't get any of that | |
| <X3N> it was their instructions i was supposed to be doing ( even though i had ) | |
| <X3N> but i got the answer anyway | |
| <fazza> oh | |
| <fazza> k | |
| <fazza> not many people actually talk do they | |
| <fazza> they just sign on | |
| <GazzaK> BOO | |
| <fazza> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | |
| <fazza> how do I make it say something like'fazza screamed'? | |
| * GazzaK screamed | |
| <GazzaK> like that | |
| <fazza> what did you type | |
| <GazzaK> super secret :p | |
| <Norf-ubu> super secret screamed | |
| <fazza> not fair | |
| <GazzaK> /s eek | |
| <fazza> haha | |
| <Norf-ubu> <grins> didnt work | |
| <GazzaK> /s screamed | |
| <fazza> whats's /s | |
| <GazzaK> try it | |
| <fazza> doesn't do anything | |
| <fazza> % | |
| <fazza> nope | |
| <fazza> eeeeerrrrrrrrrr | |
| <fazza> scary noise | |
| <fazza> daviey? | |
| <fazza> are you there? | |
| <daviey> fazza, yeah? | |
| <fazza> noone else will talk | |
| <fazza> hello | |
| <fazza> how're you | |
| <daviey> what makes you think i will? | |
| <daviey> ;) | |
| <fazza> dunno | |
| <fazza> do you know where I could get nonexpensive components? | |
| * daviey thinks you want ebuyer.com or something. What do you actually want? | |
| <fazza> decent stuff.... good graphics card, lots of ram etc... but not oo expensive | |
| <fazza> *too | |
| <fazza> my firefox has just died | |
| <fazza> off that subject then | |
| <daviey> fazza, tbh - your going to have your work cut out to build a machine cheaper than you can buy prebuilt | |
| <fazza> okkkk... | |
| <daviey> dell have less than 3% markup on machines | |
| <fazza> what would you reccommend? | |
| <fazza> is that good | |
| <daviey> how much do you have? | |
| <fazza> bout 300 max | |
| <fazza> possibly | |
| <fazza> not quite sure | |
| <fazza> is www.ubuntuforums.org having some trouble? | |
| <daviey> get 4.5% off dell machines | |
| <daviey> http://www.quidco.com/dell/ | |
| <fazza> cos every time i sign in to it it crashes | |
| <fazza> k... i'll just have a look | |
| <fazza> but ive got to go in a minute | |
| <daviey> but you can't *not* have vista - but i s'pose you could ebay it | |
| <fazza> hmmm | |
| <fazza> have already ebayed it | |
| <fazza> and the only half decent ones are well expensive | |
| <fazza> sorry, gtg now or ill bbe in trouble! | |
| <fazza> byee | |
| <fazza> :) | |
| <fazza> if you want to post any links, im still logged in | |
| <X3N> i'd dissagree daviey , i'm pretty sure you can build a machine cheaper | |
| <daviey> i thought that until this weekend | |
| <daviey> If it is just a COTS machine you want - the big players are hard to match | |
| <daviey> if you want a HTPC, XPS or other specialist stuff then i agree | |
| <X3N> their cheapest desktop is 279 | |
| <X3N> i just built a pc on Komplett for 264 | |
| <X3N> with a Geforce 7300GT 299 | |
| <X3N> gig of ram, PCI-E, Samsung 160GB Sata, case, PSU | |
| <X3N> AMD X2 6800 | |
| <X3N> obviously not directly compareable but i do think you can get a better value PC by making your own, especially when it comes to upgrade-ability and not having to pay for Windows | |
| <PriceChild> X3N, you built that for £264? | |
| <X3N> 299 | |
| <X3N> not including delivery though | |
| <daviey> komplett IIRC charge alot for delievry | |
| <X3N> they're quite standard | |
| <X3N> I got both my monitors from them | |
| *** Sio is now known as Sionide | |
| <daviey> DHL (1-2 days) £76.35 inc. VAT WINNER!! | |
| <X3N> where is that ? | |
| <X3N> http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/k.asp?action=custserv&topic=delcost | |
| <daviey> i just picked a pre-built pc and looked how much the delivery was | |
| <X3N> that is the express delivery though | |
| <daviey> to be fair though, i did look at the most expenisve postal option - 1-2 days | |
| <X3N> parcel force is £20 something | |
| <daviey> I don't know why i seem to remember their standard delivery being expensive | |
| <daviey> 5 years ago (or so) i think i purchased some stuff from them, and IIRC it came from abroad | |
| <daviey> It came from Norway! Must have been before they opened other branches | |
| <X3N> Hmm no lions or tigers in Norway! | |
| <X3N> Seeker`: ping | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: pong | |
| <X3N> Seeker`: would you mind casting your eye over some code ? | |
| <daviey> X3N, what language is it? | |
| <X3N> C++ | |
| <X3N> C/C++ i should say, as i'm not really doing anything that is specific to C++ | |
| <daviey> X3N, few people recognise that most code in C++ is actually C | |
| <daviey> ;) | |
| <daviey> X3N, my area is MFC C++ (my day job), but i can take a look if Seeker` doesn't come back | |
| * GazzaK watches Seeker` run a mile | |
| <X3N> cool | |
| <daviey> X3N, pm | |
| * Seeker` is still here | |
| <Seeker`> i'd be interested in having a look | |
| * daviey is relived | |
| <daviey> s/relieved | |
| <X3N> Seeker`: what's your email ? | |
| <daviey> gord, is your pgp public key loaded on any of the servers? | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: anything you want at cjo20.net | |
| <gord> yup daviey, least it was last I checked | |
| <daviey> just asked as evolution didn't grab it automatically | |
| <gord> yeah Iv seen it do that with other peoples keys sometimes | |
| <daviey> sounds like a potential bug | |
| <daviey> gord, can i test my pgp cert with you? | |
| <gord> sure, if you want | |
| <daviey> gord, odd, manually searching for your key didn't return anything | |
| <gord> your signature is flagged as invalid too daviey, hrmm | |
| <daviey> hmm, thats no good | |
| <daviey> mind you, for that email address i have two published keys - maybe thats the problem | |
| <daviey> but evolution, my end, says the key is valid | |
| <gord> says my key is a valid signiture also on my end... seems we have a breakdown in communication somewhere (prolly my machine given my luck ;)) | |
| <daviey> what keyservers are you using. I'm using mit and keyserver.pgp.com | |
| <daviey> gord, Your a kde'r arn't you? | |
| <daviey> Any of the FOSDEM crew back yet? | |
| <gord> umm, no kde here no. http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD188BD1B <-- that be me | |
| <X3N> I just filled the kitchen with gas and most of the corridor | |
| <daviey> X3N, will you put your head in the kitchen? | |
| <X3N> stupid overn went out | |
| <X3N> oven | |
| <X3N> nice and safe here at Brunel residences | |
| <GazzaK> X3N, light a candle | |
| <Norf-ubu> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM | |
| <daviey> gord, how odd - both your keys for that email address have now appeared when searching | |
| <gord> or flip a light switch, but just before you actually flip the switch go "dum... dum... dum dum dum dum dum, do do do do doooo doooo doooo" | |
| <dsas> hmm, on the subject of gpg, what happens when a uid belongs to multiple, seperate keys? | |
| <gord> software fears me daviey, once they realise I'm onto them they get into gear ;) | |
| <daviey> gord, i find it odd that evolution says that both our keys are invalid | |
| <gord> I find it odd that chickens can't fly | |
| <gord> I mean, if bumble bees can | |
| <daviey> "What keeps clouds in the sky"? | |
| <gord> string? | |
| <GazzaK> X3N, you okay? | |
| <X3N> yep, apart from all i can smell now is gas | |
| <GazzaK> no one smokes there? | |
| <X3N> yeah they do, hopefully they would have noticed though | |
| <GazzaK> students? | |
| <gord> you realise that when all you can smell is gas that means that your breating In carbon monoxide n eventually you'll fall asleep and never ever wake up (not even if prince charming comes along) | |
| <gord> breating? breathing | |
| * GazzaK once had a dodgy boiler which nearly killed me.... | |
| <daviey> gord, where does the CO come from? | |
| * X3N opens some windows | |
| <X3N> and not the bad type of windows | |
| <gord> CO daviey? | |
| <daviey> GazzaK, i was asleep last night and awoke when the boiler was trying to stab me; almost killed me | |
| <daviey> Carbon monoxide | |
| <GazzaK> I had it serviced and within 6 months I was having terrible headaches, I finally thought I could smell gas, and called transco, they said it was badly serviced and was leaking burnt fumes into the room, I was close to being overcome | |
| <daviey> How can smelling methane mean your breathing in Carbon monoxide? | |
| <gord> I would of thought carbon monoxide would be CM | |
| <daviey> it aint | |
| <gord> I bet it is | |
| <daviey> £10 bet | |
| <GazzaK> co2 is carbon dioxide, so carbon monoxide is co | |
| <daviey> gord, how do you want to pay? | |
| <daviey> paypal? | |
| <gord> I don't bet on stuff I make up daviey, that would just be silly. I will however argue to the death that I am right even though I am fully aware of the fact Im wrong | |
| <Seeker`> carbon monoxide means each molecule has one carbon atom and one oxygen atom | |
| * dsas remembers not to argue with gord | |
| <Seeker`> hence C (for carbon) O (for oxygen) | |
| <GazzaK> gord, you arguementative sod you :p | |
| <daviey> hmm - so when do i get my £10 | |
| <dsas> bah, I've ran out of plug sockets | |
| * dsas contemplates pulling the freezer out for a while. | |
| <Seeker`> dsas: What do you need the other socket for? | |
| <daviey> dsas, check your home insurance covers 'freezer failure' | |
| <GazzaK> dsas, use a few nails and coat hangers | |
| <gord> I always feel bad in the winter, when its snowing outside I still have my deep freeze freezer going wasting loads of energy.. but then I see the goverment's main energy saving advice "don't leave things on standby' then I realise the world isn't serious about this global warming lark | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: my laptop | |
| <dsas> daviey: I don't think I have home insurance as such, I'm a student | |
| * dsas looks for a double plug | |
| <daviey> dsas, take the policy out online - then claim on the insurance for the 'rump' steaks and other choice meats you students keep your freezer well stock with | |
| <dsas> we have some mince beef and pizza :) | |
| <dsas> should be good for ~£5 | |
| <dsas> oh and some frozen vegetable curry, wonder what I could get for that. | |
| <dsas> woo, double plug, crisis averted. | |
| <Norf-ubu> if i had joined a fetish room and read that, i would feel at home... but this is ubuntu-uk :| | |
| <daviey> X3N, you still here? | |
| <gord> I generally do feel at home when I am at home, infact I find it hard to feel otherwise | |
| <Norf-ubu> indeed | |
| <daviey> Norf-ubu, did you use back oriface or buttplug when it was popular? Thats also 'relevant' | |
| <Norf-ubu> suprisingly - no | |
| <X3N> yes daviey | |
| <daviey> X3N, pm | |
| <X3N> Seeker` has been kindly helping me | |
| <daviey> oh okay, fair nuff | |
| <X3N> did you send me a pm ? | |
| <daviey> no i was about to, but when you said Seeker` was helping you i thought "well he can get stuffed then" ;;) | |
| <X3N> :) | |
| <daviey> so, no PM for you | |
| <daviey> even if you begged me | |
| <X3N> :o | |
| <Seeker`> daviey: Can you send me a PM? :P | |
| <daviey> yes | |
| <Seeker`> yay \o/ | |
| <X3N> on a scale of 1 to 10 , 10 being the worst code you've ever seen how does mine rate ? | |
| <daviey> Out of interest, what degree and year are you in? Did you have to write the code from scratch? | |
| <X3N> 1st year and yes | |
| * Seeker` doesn't feel qualified to comment on others code | |
| <daviey> Computer Science? | |
| <constrictor> BSD yay | |
| <X3N> CSE | |
| <daviey> Do they teach you to use header files? | |
| <X3N> eventually | |
| <X3N> programs have only just started to get rather elongated | |
| <daviey> thats good, they arn't compulsory - but a convention; and well worth it IMHO | |
| <gord> my code is always beautify looking, until I look at it again 3 months later, dismis is as rubbish and spend six hours recoding a much better and flexible system that will again be rubbish in another 3 months | |
| <X3N> I was looking back at some PHP i wrote a few years ago and thinking oh my god.. | |
| <X3N> experience counts for everything in programming | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: I know the feleing | |
| <X3N> though I think with php it's easier to write it baddly | |
| <gord> I dunno, no one can ever have enough experiance. I think coding is more about being able to code in a way that is comfortable for you. the more comfortable you are with your code, the less likely you are to make bad code | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: I had to write a linked list in the 2nd year in java. We were told stories of people in previous years just writing wrappers round the Java List class | |
| <X3N> heheh | |
| <X3N> you don't really have pointers as such in java though do you ? | |
| <Seeker`> no | |
| <Seeker`> which makes things fun | |
| <Seeker`> we also had to axiomatically design the program | |
| <gord> I wish schools would stop teaching people java, it makes no sence! | |
| <gord> teach them C and python, its all you'll ever need -_- | |
| <Seeker`> gord: Why dont you like Java? | |
| <daviey> X3N, you can 'mimick' pointers in java though | |
| <X3N> yeah | |
| <gord> old programing language that has a bad implimentation and lots of nastitys, newer languages learned the lessons from java and did things right instead | |
| <James_Pain> evening all | |
| <daviey> and the amount of depreciation and inconsistencies between functions is ridiculous. You expect to do something one way and you need to do it another. Also AWT & SWING both look rubbish without fiddling. I don't like the layou managers | |
| <gord> java is just that thing you use if you are forced to | |
| <gord> like, when there is a gun involved or hostages | |
| <daviey> gord, try being tasked with making a java frontend for some dll libraries |