<romana> jeff waugh in floss weekly podcast
<romana> excellent fun!
<Phlosten> morning all
<romana> hey phlosten
<pschulz01_> Phlosten: Morning
<purserj> hey Phlosten
<Kamping_Kaiser> rofl:
<Kamping_Kaiser> This is great publicity for Ubuntu. If ESR can use Ubuntu - any idiot can. Possibly Linux for Human beings should become Linux for Hominids to be more inclusive of the ESR types.
<romana> hehe linuxsa response:)
<romana> i rofled at that
<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, thats classic
* Kamping_Kaiser unsubscribed from sounder, as i'm guesing this announcement will sent it crazy
<romana> sounder?
<purserj> sounder is the offtopic list for ubuntu
<romana> oh
<romana> definitely high volume on this then;)
<Kamping_Kaiser> yep.
<Kamping_Kaiser> anyhow. heading out again :) see you all this eve
<romana> ttfn
<Phlosten> ESR?
<purserj> Eric Raymond
<Phlosten> the downside of having zero smokers in this house. you can never find a lighter when you need one
* Phlosten goes to find two sticks
<wongy> morning all!
<merlin-linux> hiya all, how are we all?
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<Phlosten> hey merlin-linux, doing good here, hows yourself?
<merlin-linux> Phlosten: hi, not so good. i think i coming down with the flu
<merlin-linux> thanks to my mum who bought it home
<Phlosten> silly parents
<purserj> hmm?
<Phlosten> dammit, torrent download stuck queued at 95%
<nrdb> can anyone tell my why the hd command isn't displaying all of a file, 0x50 and 0x7f all I get displayed is one '*' symbol
<Phlosten> nrdb: man hd look at -v option
<Phlosten> without -v option it will replace groups of data with a *
<siccness> Afternoon all.
<merlin-linux> hiya siccness, how are you?
<siccness> Not bad thanks merlin-linux, except I gotta write a BASH script :|
<siccness> How about yourself?
<merlin-linux> yeah not to bad i guess
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<Phlosten> burp!
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<romana> yup
*** Fujitsu changes topic to "Welcome to the Official Australian Ubuntu LoCo Team channel! || Meetings: 0900UTC, day TBD. See http://ubuntu.org.au/meeting-prefs || Mailing list: http://ubuntu.org.au/go/mlist || Please abide by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct whilst in this channel: http://ubuntu.com/community/conduct || <MistaED3> i don't like the line-ex pronunciation"
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<Phlosten> time for windows server 2003 take 2
<Fujitsu> Phlosten: Why?
<Phlosten> need to install it for Tafe work, got a copy yesterday and tried installing it yesterday but the key they gave me was a dud
<romana> Phlosten: i am so sorry mate
<Phlosten> sorry that I have to be tortured with server 2k3?
<romana> yup:)\
<Phlosten> I am learning how to do everything the linux way as they teach us the server 2k3 way :)
<romana> lol
<Phlosten> one of the practicals later this year will be for us to integrate linux with a windows network
<siccness> does anyone here know much about /var/log/messages?
<siccness> and the lines of authentication failure
<Phlosten> siccness: what are you needing to know?
<siccness> the difference between 'ruser' and 'user'?
<Phlosten> its not root user ?
<cafuego_> probably remote user
<Phlosten> that sounds more like it
<siccness> cafuego_: yeah
<siccness> it isn't clear what my assignment wants ahh well
<siccness> Top 5 most failed login attempts, with usernames and how many times
<siccness> they failed to logged in
<siccness> im not sure whether it means user or ruser
<cafuego_> if I had any failed logins in my log i'd assist ;-)
<siccness> i have failed logins
<cafuego_> siccness: go 'user'.
<siccness> yah
<cafuego_> grep / sort / uniq -cd / sort
<siccness> do you have ssh?
<siccness> yeah i know :
<siccness> i have it all done
<cafuego_> yes, but key auth
<siccness> hmm
<siccness> cuz the next one wants: Top 5 most successful login locations
<siccness> i only have unsuccessful login locations
<Phlosten> hooley dooley, time to head to school
<Phlosten> cya all
<Tatey> I might just hey guys
<Tatey> errr
<Tatey> minus the first 3 words )
<Tatey> :)
<siccness> Hey
<Tatey> what's happening?
<siccness> just writin up a bashy in a non-evil distro, you? :P
<Davo_Dinkum> Who wants an iBook? $800
* Davo_Dinkum needs to get rid of this iBook
<Tatey> no, buy my iBook $800
<siccness> lol
<Tatey> I'm serious...
<Tatey> a non-evil distro... I thought you used Gentoo?
<Davo_Dinkum> How do second chance offers work on ebay?
<Davo_Dinkum> Are there any other X Window System desktop environments
<Davo_Dinkum> apart from KDE, GNOME and Xfce?
<henno> Davo_Dinkum: enlightenment
<henno> and CDE I suppose
<henno> I think 'technically' enlightenment is a window manager, but E17 is more and more becoming a DE with the bundled tools
<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah I'm after a full DE.
<Davo_Dinkum> I need automounting etc
<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: basically, no. KDE, GNOME or Xfce are DE's
<Davo_Dinkum> I should use Xfce. GNOME sucks too much ram.
<Tatey> what exactly do you want from a DE?
<Tatey> how much RAM do you have?
<Davo_Dinkum> 768MB currently, but that may change when I get another notebook (bidding on ebay for one ATM)
<Tatey> I wouldn't be worrying about GNOME memory consumption with that much RAM
<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: Having iceweasel always open doesn't help :(
<Tatey> when I was using GNOME, I was lucky to exceed 250MB of RAM useage
<Tatey> No, Mozilla isn't the easiest on memory. It certainly isn't that bad either
<Tatey> have you looked at using Opera?
<Tatey> admittedly, Opera is non-free
<Davo_Dinkum> Yes, that's why I haven't looked at using Opera.
<Tatey> Konqueror's KHTML WebCore engine is very clean and fast
<Davo_Dinkum> Eeew konqy as a web browser
<Tatey> well, it's faster than Firefox
<Davo_Dinkum> I like my file manager and web browser *seperate*
<Tatey> fair enough
<Tatey> *fair enough
<Davo_Dinkum> Ahh your spelling was correct?
<Davo_Dinkum> *correct
<Davo_Dinkum> Stupid QWERTY
<Tatey> heh
<Davo_Dinkum> I should make my own layout
<Davo_Dinkum> Actually I want a frog keypad
<Tatey> hah
<siccness> Hahaha, took out another piece of the fence
<henno> if you can't run gnome/kde/whatever with 768MB or RAM, something is seriously wrong
<henno> I am not even using 256 total memory, and that is including a lot of server processes
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<henno> mysql, pgsql, apache, lighttpd, samba, you name it, I have it enabled on this machine
<Davo_Dinkum> I can, but I'd rather leave the RAM free for iceweasel/VLC/gnome-terminal/comix/etc
<henno> plus, I have both opera and firefox open atm
<Davo_Dinkum> I watch XVID files in VLC, so that takes up RAM
<Davo_Dinkum> each XVID file is about 175MB
<henno> err.. so
<Davo_Dinkum> It's loaded into memory.
<Davo_Dinkum> bbl
<henno> so if you watch a DVD with VLC you think you need >*GB of ram?
<henno> come on
<henno> 8GB*
* henno plays a 200MB xvid file
<henno> my memory usage went up a grand total of 30MB
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<Rothbuntu> >:o ny network is fuxord
<Rothbuntu> 24 mins to transfer 350 meg
<Hit3k> not good Rothbuntu
<romana> urp
<romana> thats nt too healthy
<henno> my calculations tell me your network speed is 248.8888888888888889KB/s
<henno> == dodgy
<Hit3k> KB/s or Kb/s?
<henno> KB
<cafuego_> That's around 2.5Mbit eh
<henno> 1991.111111111111111 Mbit?
<henno> oopsies
* henno carries the one.. and himself back to grade 8
<cafuego_> it's round about what i can do upstream
<henno> 1.991111111111111111 Mbit
<Rothbuntu> something has gone horriably wrong >_<
<Rothbuntu> every hdd in my house is DED
<cafuego_> humidity?
<cafuego_> heat?
<cafuego_> karma?
<Rothbuntu> noobs i think
<Rothbuntu> tiem for basketball BBL
<mruiz> hello all
<romana> hello
<Hit3k_> parents are pissed cause i didnt go over my download limit
<Hit3k_> "DOWNLOAD SOMETHING"
<elkbuntu> Hit3k, what. the. f...
<Hit3k_> i know they were being sarcastic
<Hit3k_> great stuff though right :D
<romana> im always saying that to my kids
<romana> see, 20gb not enough
<romana> so we have 40gb limit
<romana> but if we dont make it, im yellign at them to commence teh suckage
<romana> goddess knows, there is enough crap anime on youtube to occupy them:)
<elkbuntu> well it does make sense. you've already paid for it, you might as well make a decent effort to try use it
<romana> xactly
<romana> yay for youtube
<Hit3k_> they yell at me when i go past it and they yell at me
<Hit3k_> when i dont go past it
<Hit3k_> I cant please my parents!!!!!!!!!!!
<elkbuntu> Hit3k, face it, they're just looking for reasons to pick on you.
<romana> hehe welcome to life:)
<romana> i dont look for reasons to pick on MY kids
<romana> i have so many, why look?;)
<Hit3k_> my mum does :(
<romana> reasons AND kids that is
<Hit3k_> I'm gonna get snipped before i get married. no kids for me. to much trouble.
<Hit3k_> elkbuntu, has it been raining much up there?
<henno> where is 'up there'?
<elkbuntu> Hit3k, cm and a half yesterday. nothing today
<elkbuntu> oh, no, actualy, cm and a half over the whole past week. sorry
<Hit3k_> henno, albury/wodonga/wherever elkbuntu is i forget
<Hit3k_> elkbuntu, more then we got in melbourne i think
<elkbuntu> s/\/wherever// and you're fine
<Hit3k_> Did everyone know the creator of the HTTPd was Rob McCool?
<elkbuntu> yep
<henno> I in fact did
<elkbuntu> a name like that is not forgotten easily
<Davo_Dinkum> I son't even know what that is.
<Hit3k_> Nope.. Dont think I'll ever forget it
<Davo_Dinkum> *don't
<Hit3k_> Davo_Dinkum, http daemon
* Davo_Dinkum makes his own keyboard layout
<henno> Hypertext Transfer Protocol Daemon
<siccness> beer :D
<elkbuntu> henno, s/Hypertext/HyperText/
<Davo_Dinkum> Why couldn't it be a demon?
<elkbuntu> apache freaks would have eaten your face off for that
<Hit3k_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTPd
<Davo_Dinkum> Like I care.
<siccness> lol
<henno> elkbuntu is rockin' the regex tonight :)
<elkbuntu> heh
<Davo_Dinkum> C'mon, I *live* on wikipedia. I don't need people throwing me wikipedia links.
<siccness> i do
<henno> clearly you do
<siccness> saves me typing
<henno> oh.. I get it
<siccness> im gonna install a keylogger
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: LOL why?
<siccness> and see how many keys i press a day
<henno> does teh KDE mouse-o-meter exist anymore?
<henno> was it even KDE?
<siccness> no idea, what the hell is kde
<Hit3k_> yes
<siccness> real men use fvwm
<henno> real men use a chisel and stone
<Hit3k_> real men have girlfriends.
<romana> i used to use fvwm
<Davo_Dinkum> I have en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ in my web browser history, so I just type in 'en' and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ comes up, then I type in whatever I want to look up after it
<romana> im a real woman
<henno> I am a pretend woman
<henno> only on the weekends
<romana> up until 4 mths or so ago, fvwm, with centericq, mutt, irssi
<romana> hehe 'wheres it goign to gestate, in a box?'
<romana> shall we call you loretta?
<Davo_Dinkum> If Xfce stopped sucking I would ditch GNOME in a flash.
<siccness> irssi + screen ownz you.
<henno> siccness: damn righ
<Hit3k_> xfce doesnt suck
<henno> t
<Hit3k_> its just missunderstood
<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k_: Yeah probably.
<siccness> no, xfce sucks
<henno> xfce serves it's purpose.. unforunately that purpose is not one of mine
<romana> xfce meh
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: You'd be surprised on how much productivty increases when you ditch GNOME
<romana> its not mine, eitehr i go 90% console/fvwm black no panels
<Davo_Dinkum> I don't want any panels in my desktop environment, dammit! They take up valuable screen real estate.
<romana> or i just go gnome
<romana> nbd
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Probably, but how big is the learning curve?
<siccness> Depending on what you go to, really.
<Hit3k_> e17 is my longtime lover
<siccness> I spent one day on OpenBox to get it right, about half a day getting fvwm the way I liked it
<henno> Hit3k_: e17 and I have been having an affair for some time now
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Yeah that's why I avoid WMs. Too much time tweaking it.
<henno> my other WM/DE's do not yet know about 'us'
<Hit3k_> henno, I'll kill you!!!!!!!
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: It's just to get it 'right'.
<siccness> Once you've got it 'right', everything falls into place.
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: I want it to be 'right' when I install it, not after 48 hours of tweaking it.
<Hit3k_> brb
<siccness> Well, that's your call really.
<Davo_Dinkum> Yep
<cafuego_> Davo_Dinkum: MacOS X it is, then.
<Davo_Dinkum> cafuego_: Eww get stuffed
<siccness> lol
<Davo_Dinkum> The dock is annoying
<siccness> There's no pleasing you at all, Davo_Dinkum :P
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: No, no there isn't.
<cafuego_> turn the dock off, then
<Davo_Dinkum> cafuego_: Haha good luck
<siccness> cafuego_: that goes against his I want it to be 'right' when I install it"
<siccness> damn it, missed a quotation.
<Davo_Dinkum> There's a button in system preferences is there?
<Davo_Dinkum> cafuego_: ^^^
* cafuego_ pops out his eyes and rolls them around the floor
<Davo_Dinkum> cafuego_ has lost his marbles!
<siccness> 205 line bash script, man that's some hardcore stuff.
<Hit3k_> cant figure out this fvwm stuff
<romana> fvwm rocks
<romana> want to look at mine?
<cafuego_> oh right
<Hit3k_> yeah
<romana> my fvwmrc?
<Hit3k_> sure
<romana> ok, where to send?
<siccness> Hit3k_: fvwm-crystal baby :)
<Hit3k_> uh.... i'll notice it to you romana
<romana> http://www.timelady.com/gallery/d/71-2/gkrellShoot1.jpg
<romana> thats my fvwm
* Davo_Dinkum wants a VGN-T17GP/S bad! http://vaio-online.sony.com/prod_info/vgn-t17gp_s/specifications.html
<romana> menus are right muse click
<siccness> heh
<romana> i used yakuake as drop down multiple terminals
<Hit3k_> yakuake is good
<siccness> http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8977/screenshot200702151848tc5.png <--my fvwm
<Hit3k_> sigh brb again
<romana> ok, .fvwm2rc on way
<Davo_Dinkum> I've never been a 'windows side by side' person
<Davo_Dinkum> Alt+Tab for me
<romana> windows side by side?
<siccness> nah that's shit
<siccness> windows side by side = means you can work on 5 things quickly
<siccness> crack open 5 terminals
<siccness> voila
<romana> i prefer multiple desktops
<romana> tabbed terms
<romana> :)
<siccness> heres my other fvwm screeny: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3641/screenshot200702120428zk6.png
<Davo_Dinkum> romana: Yeah I have 6 desktops, probably use about 4 at one time though.
<romana> lol ditto
<Hit3k_> DIY pastebin there siccness ?
<siccness> Of course.
<Hit3k_> I only use up to 2 desktops at a time
<cafuego_> siccness: `screen' much faster than terminals
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: What are you watching?
<siccness> cafuego_: depends
<cafuego_> if you're me, it is ;-)
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: Adam Hill - Advanced Australia Fair (Sung over Working Class Man)
<Davo_Dinkum> Uhhh, ok.....
<cafuego_> Hills
<cafuego_> he's got an 's'
<siccness> My apologies, cafuego_ :)
<siccness> or sorry, apologie :P
<cafuego_> comedy festival gala?
<siccness> some shit like that yea
<Davo_Dinkum> "Hills was born without a right foot and, in his own words, "nobody really knows why". He wears an artificial right foot." <<< Adam Hills
<Davo_Dinkum> From wiki
<cafuego_> Yes, he does.
<Davo_Dinkum> That wasn't a question.
<siccness> His response wasn't an answer, either.
<cafuego_> Just confirming, saeeing as I heard first-hand ;-)
<Davo_Dinkum> It sure sounded like one.
<siccness> In 2003, Adam scored a minor hit with Working Class Anthem, in which he sang the lyrics of the Australian National Anthem to the tune of Working Class Man, a famous song by iconic Australian rocker Jimmy Barnes <--Minor hit my ass, I'd pay $500 to have him record it in decent quality!
<romana> dude, we were just discussing the hills version in teh richarddawkins forums
<romana> odd
<cafuego_> he does it to many other songs too
<cafuego_> (sing your anthem)
<romana> we all said that was the one version wed like to have as national anthem
<siccness> yeah
<romana> isnt MY anthem
<romana> it blows chunks
<siccness> it's definitely my choice.
<cafuego_> you an aussie?
<romana> yes:)
<romana> i refuse to accept it
<cafuego_> I'm afraid it is, then.
<Davo_Dinkum> Is that a retorical question?
<romana> NOOOO
<siccness> Mind you, I'd be happy with Jimmy Barnes - * [wild card] for an anthem
<cafuego_> you HAVE to have it! It's the law!
<cafuego_> John Howard would come and natter at you if you didn't!
<siccness> Barnes - Driving Wheels :D
<Hit3k_> Barnes came out of surgery all right?
<romana> yup
<romana> he will beup and screaming soon
<siccness> of course, his body is 99% alcohol
<cafuego_> *insert snide comment*
<siccness> strong stuff
<romana> and amphetimines
<Davo_Dinkum> I need a desktop computer dammit.
<siccness> he's been up and down this road so many times
<siccness> the man of his own, and searching just keeps him proving, that only the road, can tame the rebel in his soul
<MistaED> deep
<romana> dude
<romana> i so want to wave a lighter in this channel
<Davo_Dinkum> Don't my notebook is already too hot.
<siccness> its the rhythm of the highway, as he rolls on down, and city lights as they fade from sight, drives the man behind the driving wheels :D
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<romana> yeah,my notebook is ON a book, so not on me
<romana> im having to liie down due to back again, so its sodding inconvenient
<siccness> opensourcehowto.org os cool
<siccness> *is
<Hit3k_> do they have a pastebin howto?
<siccness> Hm?
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<Hit3k_> im interested in writing a pastebin
<siccness> Not a difficult thing
<Hit3k_> i know but i havnt coded php in ages
<siccness> I just threw mine into a mysql db
<siccness> and spat it out
<siccness> i havent bothered with syntax highlighting/colouring
* Davo_Dinkum notices typo on opensourcehowto.org
<purserj> the blogging package?
<Davo_Dinkum> "to *proved* a number o"
* Davo_Dinkum wonders how he would go with a 10" screen
<Davo_Dinkum> Anyone here use a small screen notebook (<12")?
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<Hit3k_> I hate the innernetz
<Davo_Dinkum> What are you doing?
<Hit3k_> nothing
<Hit3k_> it just d/ced me
<siccness> Hmm
<Davo_Dinkum> Oh no! siccness is thinking! Run!
<siccness> Hahaha
<rimmington> hey
<rimmington> it's good to see that ubuntu has a good aussie user base :)
<siccness> I thought you said 'good aussie user beer'
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL ask siccness what he uses then
<rimmington> ok, what do you use siccness :P
<siccness> don't just ask me, 40% of this channel doesnt even use ubuntu :)
<siccness> <--gentoo mate
* cafuego_ will beat you when you finally turn up at LUV
<rimmington> did you do a full stage 1 install??
<siccness> cafuego_: haha
<siccness> rimmington: have done so before, but stg3 is easier
<cafuego_> rimmington: Yes, it's still going, that's why he never comes to luv meetings.
<siccness> lol
<siccness> smart ass :P
<rimmington> lol
* cafuego_ cna keep going like that for weeks ;-)
<rimmington> which luv are you people in?
<cafuego_> um
<Davo_Dinkum> Who said I was in a LUV?
<cafuego_> luv = linux users of victoria
<siccness> lug = linux user group
<Davo_Dinkum> *lug
<rimmington> soz, i got those 2 mixed up :P
<siccness> rimmington: happens to the best of us
<siccness> wheres my damn beer
<cafuego_> siccness: it does in fact not happen to me.
<purserj> and besides, Ubuntu now has ESR as a cheer leader
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL this guy is trying to show LCD backlight leakage using screenshots.
<Davo_Dinkum> I don't think he understands how screenshots work.
<purserj> can gentoo honestly say they have someone of ESR's "stature" ;)
<cafuego_> purserj: Which bit are you referring to specifically?
<siccness> yes
<siccness> purserj: some random bloke down the street
<purserj> cafuego_: you missed ESR's dummy spit on the fedora lists?
<Davo_Dinkum> I'm so jumping ship. I don't want ESR using the same distro as me.
<cafuego_> purserj: What would I need to go neara fedora list for?
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: hahaha
<cafuego_> purserj: Did he crack the shits about media support?
<siccness> ESR appears to be a nutcase
<Davo_Dinkum> cafuego_: Yeah he did.
<purserj> let me find the original email
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Umm, appears?
<cafuego_> Why didn't he go with Mint then?
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: heh
<purserj> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.html
<cafuego_> Davo_Dinkum: To be fair, inability to use Youtube, watch DVDs and play MP3s on a default install does make people not want to use Linux.
<Davo_Dinkum> Kamping_Kaiser: Where's that ASCII art you found before?
<purserj> summary, ESR broke something, decided it was the entire fedora communities fault and wrote a massive dummy spit and left for ubuntu
<cafuego_> purserj: As long as the fedora community shrugged and went on doing what it was doing before, i see no problem
<siccness> lol
<siccness> Does that mean ESR is going to join ubuntu mailing-lists and whinge?
<Rothbuntu> IT WAS AN EPIC DRAW
<cafuego_> siccness: just imagine him evetually ending up on debian-legal
<Rothbuntu> linux sucks because i can use it <--- :S
<Rothbuntu> >_< can = cant
<purserj> cafuego_: I think the general consensus was "Don't let the door hit you on the way out"
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL
<cafuego_> MEOW!
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL best response>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01016.html
<allan__> GOD
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<Rothbuntu> octopus yiros FTW
<TheMuso> Could everybody please check to see whether they can resolve themuso.com? Just a 'host themuso.com' will do. Thanks.
<Davo_Dinkum> themuso.com has address 208.97.162.217
<Davo_Dinkum> Yup^^^
<TheMuso> thanks
<TheMuso> Ok folks, no need any longer.
<TheMuso> Worked out the problem.
<siccness> gnomebaker&
<siccness> bah, wrong window. sorry
<Hit3k> lolzburn
<Davo_Dinkum> Damn macmod used to be good, but they redesigned their site, and now there's junk everywhere.
<Hit3k> lol
<siccness> Holy shit, the room I'm staying at tomorrow night has the following: double bed, full ensuite, microwave, kettle, toaster, fridge, tv, access to wireless internet for $90 a night
<Hit3k> and you have noone to spend it with? :p
<siccness> Hah. I have my teddy bear
<cafuego_> ehlo adhoc
<Hit3k> isnt that like.. some hairy gay guy?
<adhoc> siccness: is it a beer can holder in dusguise?
<rob_melb> cafuego_ ow school go
<siccness> yeah, stubby holder mate :)\
<siccness> im gonna get hammered watchin the footy tomorrow night
<Hit3k> lucky :(
<purserj> whos playing?
* adhoc has an air-stream stubbie holder and a trolltech one ;)
<siccness> no idea
<cafuego_> rob_melb: all good, got zimbra talking to their novell edirectory, wrote some unattended migration scripts, found a firewall problem.
<Hit3k> adhoc, send me the trolltech one :p
* purserj gave his google stubbyu holder to the kids
<adhoc> purserj: it obviusly doesn matter
<purserj> adhoc: heh
<cafuego_> rob_melb: Just no time left to splice ubuntu into their zenworks image server
<siccness> adhoc: i got two naked girl ones, vb one, and a "all beer is good" one
<adhoc> Hit3k: hands off sunshine, you're not old enought to drink yet!
<Hit3k> :(
<siccness> the two naked girl ones are Woodstock Bourbon ones
<adhoc> hmmm ... pass
<adhoc> i might get beaten by the missus if i get any
<rob_melb> cafuego: y'll never get those shirts over that head, after all that sucsess
<siccness> lol
<cafuego_> rob_melb: HUGE, just HUGE
<adhoc> hey cafuego_ =)
<adhoc> cafuego_: whats luverly melbourne like this evenen?
<siccness> do motels allow eskies?
<cafuego_> adhoc: vile and humid
<adhoc> same here then
<rob_melb> nite all
<siccness> night mate
<Hit3k> night
<cafuego_> sleep lightly, rob_melb
<cafuego_> muahaHAHAHAHA!
<siccness> Hahaha
<adhoc> night rob_melb
* purserj ducks outside for a smoke and to watch the lightning
<siccness> oo smoko break is it
<adhoc> hmmm ... lightneing means rain right ...
<siccness> not always
<adhoc> send some of that our way damn it!
<cafuego_> adhoc: just lightning, no rain
<purserj> not a hell of a lot of rain
<cafuego_> so unless you want fires...
<adhoc> damn
<purserj> yeah
<cafuego_> phone
<Hit3k> I wish the bom would get the weather right.
<siccness> yeah, it's not what i'd consider accurate.
<siccness> then again, weather people have never really been on the ball
<Hit3k> yeah
<cafuego_> Hit3k: it's not easy,. seeing as melbourne weather == /dev/urandom
<siccness> heh
<Hit3k> cafuego_, true
<cafuego_> interesting boundary with antarctic storms vs. hot interior, if they're 100km off in predicting a front, the weather is completely different
<cafuego_> that said, the boring weather in broome rocks
<adhoc> for HOUR in `seq 1 24` ; do weather=`dd if=/devrandom of=- bs=1 count=1 ; done
<Hit3k> thats it im moving somewhere cold.
<siccness> adhoc: too much time on your hands mate
<Tatey> Gentoo
<adhoc> what sdo you think i do al day...
* siccness smacks Tatey
<Hit3k> I'd have to agree with siccness there mate
<adhoc> Tatey: is right, if you run gentoo, you must have too much time on your hands ...
<purserj> hmm this is why I never have gaim on
<Hit3k> whys that purserj?
<adhoc> purserj: whys that?
<siccness> amazingly, im the only gentoo user who doesn't update
<Hit3k> hahaha
<siccness> so really, gentoo is no work for me :)
<purserj> adhoc: bots
<Hit3k> I never updated my gentoo system
<adhoc> siccness: your just lazy! =P
<siccness> pretty much yeah
* cafuego_ had better go and fetch his lovely wife
<adhoc> siccness: it takes me about 5minutes per week to keep all my boxes up to date =P
<siccness> there's actually no real reason for me to use gentoo
<cafuego_> siccness: s/me/anyone/
<siccness> but, because ive never ran into an issue, i dont really need to change
<MistaED> what about the ricer points?
<siccness> unlike when i was using ubuntu, nothing but errors man
<purserj> meh, lesson learnt with gentoo, make sure you're on the correct profile when building first off
<siccness> bugs, diseases, errors, BSoDs
<cafuego_> MistaED: Only if you have glowy LED fans and wings
<praetorian> for HOUR in `seq 0 23`; do echo "This episode of 24 tasks place between $HOUR:00:00 and $(($HOUR+1)):00:00"; sleep 60m; done
<siccness> Gentoo is better than Arch though, Arch doesn't actually install :P
<adhoc> siccness: your confusing ubuntu with windows mat
<siccness> lol
<Tatey> you don't install
<siccness> LOL
<MistaED> i get a BSOD with ubuntu when xorg or the nvidia driver breaks :P
<adhoc> interesting, internode ahve a buncha packages missing from their ubuntu mirror
<Hit3k> odd...
<MistaED> also the aiptek tablet driver makes xorg fail if it's not plugged in
<adhoc> MistaED: thats the proprietry one?
<MistaED> adhoc: yeah
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<adhoc> MistaED: well then
<adhoc> unless you run dual haed there no reason
<MistaED> haha adhoc, i heavily rely on my 3d accelerator :)
<adhoc> what for?
<MistaED> and it doesn't involve games or beryl
<MistaED> maya and soon blender
<adhoc> ah opk, i'll pay that
<adhoc> how much did you maya for linux cost?
<siccness> <--vesa user here
<MistaED> i mean it BSOD's when lupine's repo isn't in sync with the kernel, just that error message saying "xorg can't start"
<adhoc> siccness: old video hardware?
<adhoc> trident 900 perhaps?
<siccness> nope
<praetorian> he bought it when he was a boy!
<siccness> ati x1300 pro
<siccness> im just too lazy to do anything
<MistaED> adhoc: hah, i'm a student atm and plan to buy it when i get a job (or convert to blender)
<adhoc> so it seems
<adhoc> MistaED: convert to blender ;)
<siccness> i have no reason for anything other really
<siccness> all i do is use firefox/gaim and 30 terminal windows
<Hit3k> I cant use blender
<praetorian> gimp is complex
* Hit3k loves 3Ds Max
<adhoc> it takes time. but its not too bad
<adhoc> 3ds is easy to use
<adhoc> i have built some neat models in 3ds =)
<adhoc> cars mostly
<MistaED> yes i am very impressed with blender, just i know how to use maya very well
<adhoc> MistaED: all in good time =)
<Hit3k> yeah i did some pretty neat stuff in 3ds
<Hit3k> Mind you
<MistaED> maya > 3dsmax though, can't beat the node-based system
<Hit3k> I still havnt worked it out
<adhoc> Hit3k: you keep worken at it =)
<Hit3k> one of them has a linux port.. i think its... maya... not sure
<MistaED> Hit3k: yep maya, i run it on linux
<Hit3k> oh god it requires compiling..
<siccness> lol
<siccness> sounds like something big sicc needs to look at
<adhoc> siccness: yeah, blenders all rouhd thanks mate ;)
<MistaED> in class i was playing around with blender's new sculpt tool, eyes all round ;)
<purserj> For those that care, WIN Television uses blender in production
<adhoc> surprises me not
<adhoc> its cheap
<adhoc> and doesn't invole macromedia adobe or autodesk licencing
<Hit3k> MistaED, may i ask where you got maya for linux?
<MistaED> purserj: really? that's cool
<purserj> heh, actually they have 3d Studio but the director chose blender over it
<adhoc> and that flexlm crap
<MistaED> hit3k: yeah.... i'll tell you in a query window
<purserj> And they've paid for site licences for the Adobe Suite for 25 odd sites
<Hit3k> ok
<adhoc> purserj: thats just crap
<adhoc> we were threatened by adobe
<adhoc> if we didn't have our licencing straight they would sue first
<adhoc> then ask questions later
<purserj> adhoc: well we had managed to put the fear of copyright into the station managers
<adhoc> as an IT manager was enough to want to dump all their products and find something else
<purserj> They insisted on using cracked software in the production process
<adhoc> but the problem was convincing all the graphs to change =(
<adhoc> purserj: yeah because the licencing fscks up all the time =(
<adhoc> purserj: and you end up with un working software becuase there are serious bugs in adobes products =/
<purserj> nah, it was because the board wouldn't approve any half way decent software
<purserj> well they spent 120,000 on Pinacle stuffs
<purserj> thats each suite
<adhoc> running a leggit office with fully up to date licencing is a full time job in a business of 100 seats
<purserj> yup
<purserj> now try doing it across the country
<adhoc> when you start thinking about 25 apps per desktop
<adhoc> purserj: i understand
<MistaED> so purserj, you work at win television? that's quite cool
<purserj> MistaED: I used to
<purserj> In the head office
<purserj> MistaED: where abouts are you?
<MistaED> purserj: a student currently at a place called qantm in sydney, learning maya
<purserj> right
<MistaED> hoping for a job soon, the course ends in april :)
<Hit3k> g'night
<MistaED> night hit3k
<MistaED> missed
<adhoc> by > < much
<siccness> well im buggered, night all.
<adhoc> damn that teddy bear!
<adhoc> and how
<adhoc> i am tired and needing of sleep
<adhoc> byeeeeeeeeee
<Davo_Dinkum> Later people.
<MotherLUG> Hey Ho
<MotherLUG> I can't be all alone in here at this hour
<elkbuntu> yes. sorry.
<elkbuntu> :Þ
<adhoc> =O
<MotherLUG> oh you cheeky monkeys
* purserj is playing around with myth
<elkbuntu> ooh ooh. ahh ahh
<MotherLUG> just a little bit
* MotherLUG is getting very frustrated with her laptop atm
<siccness> Sell it on ebay then
<MotherLUG> I don't think so
<MotherLUG> I would blow away windows and install something a little more desireable
<siccness> :)
<siccness> Night, again :)
<MotherLUG> ok night siccness
<elkbuntu> you have windows on it? i hope you apologise to it every day
<yama> MotherLUG: what's the matter with your laptop?
<MotherLUG> yama, It's just windows giving me the poo's with the way it operates basically. I just love the way foss stuff runs
<yama> $ sudo mkfs.ext3 -j /media/windows
<yama> (not quite, but you get my drift)
<purserj> elkbuntu: it was a tafe requirement
<yama> how about vmware?
<yama> vmware player is freeware
<purserj> and now its the demo machine for windows based OSS
<yama> great idea
<MotherLUG> yama, elkbuntu move over to localfoss I'll tell you why.
<Tatey> siccness will be back
<twisties> elkbuntu: you herded me here :P
<elkbuntu> twisties, hehe :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> eek. another one
<twisties> So where abouts are you in aus?
<elkbuntu> twisties, regional nsw
<elkbuntu> you?
<twisties> West melbournw
<twisties> melbourne even
<Kamping_Kaiser> hm. thats near the other victorians
<twisties> didn't realise there was an au chan. Now I can get potential support from people in the same timezone
<twisties> that speak the same brand of english
<elkbuntu> yeah, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members to see who might be near you :)
<twisties> :O
<twisties> One lives in my town!
<Kamping_Kaiser> run away!
<elkbuntu> twisties, oh, who should we warn? :Þ
<twisties> haha
* Kamping_Kaiser heads off to sleep
<Kamping_Kaiser> *hugs elkbuntu * gnight
<Kamping_Kaiser> welcome twisties , see you soon!
<twisties> Dunno. He lives on the wrong side of the tracks a.k.a the nasty side. (Im sure you all can imagine)
<elkbuntu> night kk
<twisties> catch ya later kaiser
<yama> cya Kamping_Kaiser
* twisties reads the member list
<twisties> Oh you're not too far from me Elk
<elkbuntu> twisties, a safe 3-4 hours :Þ
<twisties> Heh. If you want to think of it that way
<twisties> lol, i completely forgot I has Lamp installing in the background :S
<twisties> had*
<elkbuntu> twisties, hehe, i was just joking
<twisties> ^.^
<twisties> So how much time do you spend on here?
<elkbuntu> too much time :Þ
<elkbuntu> im the team contact
<twisties> Haha. I would spend more but I play too many PC games which means I have to boot to windows :( and I don't usually come on here unless I hvae a problem
<elkbuntu> twisties, tried out wesnoth yet?
<twisties> ...
<twisties> ?
<elkbuntu> !wesnoth
<elkbuntu> wtf.. we're botless?!
<elkbuntu> :(
<twisties> hmmm bot is getting lazy?
<twisties> rofl
<twisties> ill try it in the main chan?
<elkbuntu> ubotu was getting overloaded, there's supposed to be a seperate implementation of him here
<twisties> Hmmm, doesn't sound like its down my alley
<twisties> Im your run of the mill FPS player
<elkbuntu> worth a try
<yama> twisties: http://www.cubeengine.com/
<yama> there are several FPS games for gnu/linux
<yama> twisties: you'll find some FPS games if you search in Synaptic
<twisties> I saw one at tafe the other day
<twisties> Friends showed me
<twisties> Can't remember the name of it <_<\
<twisties> thanks for the link though
<yama> there's also the Doom/Quake and Unreal series which are all available for linux
<yama> anyway, good night everyone
<elkbuntu> night yama
<twisties> are the Unreal series free for linux?
<twisties> or must you pay for the windows version and get the linux install with it?
<twisties> anyone else still up?
<apokryphos> !test
<ubot3> Failed.
<apokryphos> :)
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