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<rbs-tito> Is it possible to tell Ubuntu to shut down on its own in a few hours?

<James_Pain> I'm sure its posible using some kind of script or there could be a little program that does it for you i'm not too sure :P

<willskills> hmm

<willskills> he left

<willskills> :/

<willskills> http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/28990.html

<willskills> cron

<daviey> cron for delayed halt?

<willskills> '0 0 * * * shutdown -h now' (no quotes)

<Pricey> sudo shutdown -h +60

<willskills> The above command directs cron to execute the command 'shutdown -h now' (shutdown - halt the system - now) at the '0' minute, on the '0' hour, all days of the month, all months of the year, all days of the week.

<Pricey> will shutdown in 60 minutes

<Pricey> willskills, you don't need a cron?

<Pricey> you can also...

<Pricey> sudo shutdown -h 20:00

<Pricey> to shutdown at 8pm for example

<daviey> Or, sudo shutdown -t 60 -r "Computer is going to Shut Down"

<James_Pain> ^^ I love this channel already

<Pricey> hehe

* daviey hates IRC. It's far to addictive

<X3N_> James_Pain: do you think you could categorise your blog with a linux category ?

<X3N_> I just got notification of the addition to the planet wiki page

<daviey> PriceChild, your connection is like a yoyo tonight

<James_Pain> yep, no problem :)

<PriceChild> daviey, hehe sorry :)

<PriceChild> daviey, just been messing around with annoying xchat...

<PriceChild> daviey, I have 21 channels I wish to autojoin... but it truncates the list after a certain amount of characters

<PriceChild> I wish I could switch to irssi... but can't be having with the alt+a method of switching when you have more than 20 channels.

<daviey> 21!! geez..... i struggle to keep up with 10

<PriceChild> 21's just autojoin

<PriceChild> So now I've just decided to open two connections to freenode, and give each an autojoin list which doesn't get truncated and annoy me

<X3N_> i used to have around 30 channels when i was an IRCop, but now i'm on 7 most of the time and irssi is fine for that

<PriceChild> I love irssi so much as well :)

<PriceChild> What with screen

<PriceChild> Its perfectish with just under 20 channels

<Sionide> X3N_, back in the hey day, eh?

<PriceChild> but also I don't have an alternative to chanserv.py either :(

<James_Pain> Xen: done ^^

<X3N_> thanks James_Pain i'll add your feed now

<PriceChild> X3N_, what network were you an irc op on?

<X3N_> AfterX/Xnet, AthemeNet and Outerweb

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<willskills> guys

<willskills> bit of a strange one right

<willskills> I am trying to fdisk my usbdrive

<willskills> and when I try to write it, w, it mounts the bloody drive again

<willskills> and I get this;

<willskills> will@willskills:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sdc

<willskills> Command (m for help): t

<willskills> Selected partition 1

<willskills> Hex code (type L to list codes): 6

<willskills> Command (m for help): w

<willskills> The partition table has been altered!

<willskills> Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.

<willskills> WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.

<willskills> The kernel still uses the old table.

<willskills> The new table will be used at the next reboot.

<willskills> Syncing disks.

<willskills> when it gets to here: Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.

<willskills> it mounts the drive again in nautilus

<X3N_> is it a flash drive ?

<willskills> yes

<willskills> basically

<willskills> I am trying to install DSL on it

<willskills> but when I try to syslinux -s etc, it says its not a valid fat partition

<willskills> so I was trying to sort it out

<X3N_> what does fdisk -l give you ?

<willskills> will@willskills:~$ fdisk -l

<willskills> Disk /dev/sdc: 2046 MB, 2046033920 bytes

<willskills> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 248 cylinders

<willskills> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

<willskills> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

<willskills> /dev/sdc1 * 1 249 1998048+ 6 FAT16

<willskills> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:

<willskills> phys=(247, 254, 63) logical=(248, 191, 7)

<willskills> oh :o

<willskills> it worked

<willskills> one sec

<willskills> lol

<willskills> nope; will@willskills:~$ syslinux -s /dev/sdc

<willskills> syslinux: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem

<X3N_> you might want it to be FAT 32

<willskills> any ideas?

<willskills> I just tried that

<X3N_> i'm not really sure what syslinux does

<willskills> it was origonally fat32

<willskills> you got 5mins?

<willskills> :)

<willskills> http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive

<X3N_> I'll have a go

<X3N_> I think i'll use gparted instead of fdisk

<willskills> ok

<willskills> could you help me through this? :)

<willskills> I am fairly new to linux

<willskills> (about 2 months)

<willskills> maybe 3

<willskills> :)

<willskills> man

<willskills> I used gparted

<willskills> and it keeps mounting my stick

<willskills> when I apply changes

<X3N_> yeah that happened to me the first time

<willskills> how do I stop it doing tht?

<X3N_> combination of pulling out the stick and putting it back in then unmounting it (click eject) then do the gparted apply

<willskills> ok

<willskills> so its a timing thing?

<willskills> I am rdy to click apply, do what now? :)

<X3N_> is the device ejected ?

<willskills> no its plugged in

<willskills> its not mounted though

<willskills> and nothing on the desktop for it

<willskills> to right click & eject

<willskills> nothing in nautilus

<willskills> if I plug it in and eject

<willskills> I can't select it in gparted

<X3N_> ahh

<X3N_> System > preferences > Removable drives and meida

<X3N_> untick the first 2 on the storage tab

<willskills> got it

<willskills> :)

<willskills> ok

<willskills> so now I have partitioned with gparted?

<willskills> where should I be on the wiki? ><

<willskills> hehe

<willskills> I am a little unsure

<X3N_> erm ms-sys bit

<willskills> and now?

<willskills> ^^

<willskills> major love for your help X3N_

<willskills> after the ms-sys?

<X3N_> looks like more fdisk fun

<willskills> brb

<James_Pain> does advertising fall under marketing?

<X3N_> mostly

<James_Pain> mostly?

<Sionide> heh

<Sionide> not really

<Sionide> but yeah mostly, cos there is some involved

<James_Pain> what about posters?

<Sionide> what about them?

<X3N_> all advertising is a form a marketing because you're trying to show X to your market

<James_Pain> is that the kind of thing that would fall under marketing?

<James_Pain> kk

<Sionide> X3N_, oi can it.. who's doing the (partly) business degree here?

<Sionide> and come to think of it, who is writing about marketing right now

* Sionide <--

<Sionide> Perhaps the most important concept of a good marketing strategy within a business is knowing what the customer wants and being able to deliver it. Specifically, being able to deliver to customer expectations better than the competition.

<Sionide> that is the core meaning of marketing.. not spamming your customer base

<X3N_> if the customer doesn't know about your product then how are you going to deliver it

<X3N_> "Marketers see advertising as part of an overall promotional strategy" - wikipedia

<Sionide> oh yeah

<Sionide> wikipedia is a very credible source

<James_Pain> I was just think about printing out of ubuntu posters and putting them over my town, I'm looking in the marketing wiki's to see if there is a .pdf or a premade poster i could use. I just wanted to know were to look :)

<Sionide> you'd need to be more specific about where you wanna put them

<Sionide> just get a job lot of livecds and put them in your library and local PC shops?

<X3N_> Sionide: when does advertising not come under marketing then ?

<willskills> X3N_,

<willskills> hmm

<willskills> didnt work for me

<James_Pain> i was thinking about posters on walls and such but livecds sounds good

<willskills> I set my bios to boot from usb-hdd

<Sionide> it does X3N_ but it's *one* chapter in my textbook of 20 chapters!

<Sionide> James_Pain, when's the last time you read a poster on a wall?

<willskills> but I just get a flashing cursor

<willskills> _

<X3N_> I never said marketing == advertising !

<James_Pain> sionide, when the last cirus was in town

<Sionide> James_Pain, you went up to the poster and read every word of it?

<Sionide> it's not the same :s

<Sionide> you saw a poster with a clown on it and knew what it meant and what it was about

<James_Pain> •Sionide• its better then nothing

<James_Pain> sorry about the colour, wierd irc client

<James_Pain> sionide, its better then nothing

<Sionide> *shrug*

<James_Pain> i might as well put stuff up in shops, so do we have a poster template or somthing?

<X3N_> there is one arround

<willskills> X3N_, did you get it to work?

<X3N_> i'm downloading the dsl-embedded.zip atm

<willskills> ok

<willskills> gonna try formatting again

<X3N_> James_Pain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/OpenExpo2007/Poster?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=poster_with_original_text.jpeg

<James_Pain> ah fantastic, thank you x3n

<willskills> cool.

<James_Pain> the info text is leeking out the side of the poster :P

<willskills> X3N_, so all you did was format it fat32?

<willskills> then you unzip dsl.zip onto the stick

<willskills> and run syslinux?

<X3N_> yeah, i'm doing that now

<willskills> ok

<X3N_> James_Pain: also http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/

<willskills> ok done that

<willskills> its done

<willskills> how do I rn natively from windows?

<willskills> not from windows

<willskills> linux

<willskills> arf

<willskills> supposed to be able to run from me pen while ubuntu right?

<X3N_> the idea is that you can boot off your pen drive

<X3N_> like a live cd but a pen drive and writeable so you can store things on it

<willskills> yes

<willskills> ok

<willskills> but

<willskills> You can now boot via QEMU (from within Linux or windows), OR as native from the USB drive.

<X3N_> yeah

<willskills> so how does QEMU work?

<X3N_> it pretends to be a complete PC

<willskills> ok

<willskills> how do I run it?

<X3N_> it's like vmware if you've ever heard of it

<willskills> I have

<willskills> dont really know how it works though

<willskills> hehe

<X3N_> i don't know anything about qemu really

<willskills> okay

<willskills> :)

<X3N_> i use vmplayer

<willskills> gonna try booting this up

<willskills> then bed :)

<willskills> gnight

<X3N_> night

<willskills> thx for the help

<James_Pain> thanks for the 2nd link x3n, just what i need

<X3N_> if you want more info #ubuntu-marketing is pretty good

<James_Pain> kk, ty

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<popey> morning all

<mdke> popey: I read somewhere about a meeting summary for the screencast team, where is it?

<popey> eek

<popey> pasted into my private wiki, but not in ubuntu one.. one mo

<popey> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Meeting sorry

<popey> bottom of that page at the moment

<GazzaK> morning folks

<mdke> popey: thanks. Do you wanna post it to the mailing list?

<popey> Greetings LUG Master GazzaK

<popey> let me move it first

<popey> what do you recommend, a page with the date in?

<popey> and keep Meeting blank for the next one?

<GazzaK> sounds sensible

<mdke> popey: sure

<popey> mdke: refresh the meeting page - have moved the log for the actual meeting and updated that page - hows that?

<mdke> great

<popey> want me to post a link to the list?

<mdke> please

<popey> ok

<popey> mdke: done

<popey> hello CieD

<CieD> morning Al

<CieD> so... lanyards eh, cool

<popey> yeah :)

<CieD> I've put an ubuntu sticker on the bike.. on the panniers, must take a photo

<popey> oooo meeting today

<popey> :)

<popey> I need a new sticker for the back of my car

<popey> my debian one is fine, but my firefox one faded

<popey> will probably get some stickers at FOSDEM

<CieD> I was in Wales at the weekend, but it barely stopped raining, so I couldn't get a decent "Ubuntu Adventure Bike" piccie

<GazzaK> can you pick me up freebies please uncle popey

<CieD> hmm.. thanks for the reminder

<popey> GazzaK: they wont be free

<popey> sorry CieD :(

<GazzaK> okay, can you buy me a late 30th birthday present then?

<CieD> not your fault!

<popey> I know CieD I am just sorry you're not coming

<popey> not seen you for ages

<popey> you're one of the nice guys in the community CieD

<CieD> I miss you too

<CieD> it's been far too long

<popey> Get a room!

<popey> :)

<CieD> lmao

* CieD plans ahead for the next HantsLUG meet

<popey> ooo, march

<popey> Aldershot?

* popey should know this ;)

<CieD> yep, on the 10th

<GazzaK> awww, nice bit of loving going on

<CieD> I've not been there before

* GazzaK leaves them alone to play

<CieD> Join in the ubuntu hug GazzaK

<GazzaK> yay!

* GazzaK hugs popey & CieD

<CieD> w00t

<popey> ({)

<GazzaK> (with a special wiggle for popey )

<popey> o_O

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> well you feel left out and cheated on otherwise

<GazzaK> hey Seeker`

<popey> Yes, yes I will

<Seeker`> mornin

<Seeker`> how are you

<popey> (nutcase)

<GazzaK> Seeker`, nutty obviously

<popey> mmm

<popey> I used to love Nutty bars

<popey> loads of peanuts in thick toffee stuff

<GazzaK> full of nutty goodness

<Seeker`> ewwww...peanuts

<popey> You don't like peanuts!?

<GazzaK> you can have a nibble on.... eeek, oops

* GazzaK hides

<popey> I don't think this relationship can continue Seeker`, we are clearly not meant for eachother.

<GazzaK> hahaaaa

* GazzaK falls over

* popey pushes GazzaK towards Seeker`, here have him

<popey> smart move Seeker`, keep quiet

<popey> maybe he'll go away

<popey> I think this tiredness is affecting me

<mattl> popey: do you sleep?

<popey> GazzaK: dont people notice?

<GazzaK> got my own office

<popey> ahh

* popey is in a very open plan office

<GazzaK> get sunglasses and rest head on arms then

<popey> or kip on the bog

<GazzaK> haha

<GazzaK> as long as you do not snore

<GazzaK> I also have the medical room next door, it has a bed thing

<popey> but dont people come into your office?

<popey> can you go a whole day without seeing anyone?

<GazzaK> maybe

<popey> heh

<GazzaK> normally not

<GazzaK> I better go hoover the server room, it has dust bunnies

<popey> heh

* popey imagines GazzaK with his marigolds on

<popey> "Do the shake and vac, and put the freshness back..."

<daviey> I sleept for over an hour at my desk, not long after becoming a father. Nobody noticed! And that was in an open plan office

<daviey> Apparently my quality of work had improved in that time, i checked in no bugs!

<popey> thing is, everyone else in my team smokes

<popey> they all go out for cumulatively ~30-60 mins a day

<daviey> thought about starting?

<daviey> popey, You could be cool!

<popey> and smelly

<popey> hang on

<popey> you suggesting i am not cool?

<daviey> hmm

* daviey chooses he next works very carefully

<daviey> doh, works = words

<Seeker`> popey: Take a break then

<daviey> KitKat break?

<Seeker`> if people complain point out that you dont smoke

<Seeker`> and mumble something about discrimination

<daviey> Seeker`, smoking is acceptable, spending 30 mins having a daily toilet break is; sleeping at your desk is unacceptable. Crazy huh?

<daviey> Something that got up my nose last year, i was at the office until 9pm the night before doing work; then the next day i arrived 30 mins after the core-day (flexi) had started and got the pee taken out of me for being late.

<popey> I hate it when people bitch about being late

<popey> people who work in IT generally work longer hours than other people (IME) because of the out-of-hours work thats required

<popey> this all gets forgotten when you are 10 minutes """"late""""

<loudmouthman> yeah and they never bitch about being early, and what about smokers , ( especially sales guys ) who take out about 30 mins a day for fag breaks !

* daviey thinks about his sales guy, who doesn't smoke - but something about fag makes sense.

<loudmouthman> arf arf

<Seeker`> lo loudmouthman

<popey> you going to be around for the meeting tonight loudmouthman ?

<loudmouthman> yep

<loudmouthman> i think though we should have a short meeting and just arrange to fix the outstanding things and set a date futher in the future for next meeting. plus since were all going to fosdem ( nearly all ) we can do a catch up with other loco teams if possible.

<popey> I am going on the Eurostar on Friday lunchtime, coming back Sunday night

<loudmouthman> Im from ashford friday afternoon , back sunday afternoon

<loudmouthman> im picking up the tickets/hotel details friday morning <grin>

<daviey> there is so much on!

* popey has downloaded the ical to his pda..

<daviey> keen

<popey> but there is a bug in the palm/evo conduit which means locations do not get synchronised, so I know whats on over the weekend, but dont know what room each thing is in

* popey has reported the bug :)

<popey> doubt it will be fixed by friday tho :(

<daviey> I'm going to miss "Organisation of Fedora French Users" ;(

<mattl> who's going to fosdem?

<popey> o/

<daviey> Seeker isn't

<loudmouthman> sounds like your attending a Heisenburg expo popey, you can know where the meeting is but not when, or when it is but not where.

<popey> they give out leaflets which have the schedule and locations printed on them :)

<popey> lo schwuk

<loudmouthman> spoilsport.

<popey> and Josette will be there.. i need to summon up all my strength not to buy more O'Reilly books

<schwuk> lo popey

<James_Pain> -$%+4

<James_Pain> sry

<Seeker`> James_Pain: Spider on your keyboard?

<constrictor> was wondering ...

<constrictor> has anyone here any experience with beryl

<constrictor> i'm thinking of trying it out but i'm afraid i have an intel integrated 945G graphics card

<constrictor> and XGL didn't look very good on it

<Seeker`> constrictor: What version of ubuntu are you running?

<popey> i am avoiding beryl

<constrictor> any ideas?

<popey> it breaks too much

<constrictor> edgy

<constrictor> but after looking at this post

<constrictor> http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.02.19/beryl-of-fun/

<constrictor> i am wondering if i should try it

<popey> Why? What is the aim?

<popey> what are you hoping to do? Improve productivity or just have a pretty desktop?

<Seeker`> popey: I think the version in the main repo is ok

<Seeker`> its the svn version that breaks

<popey> not here it isnt

<Seeker`> or the feisty one

<Seeker`> i'm not sure if it is beryl conflicting with changes in other pacakages on feisty

<popey> i will use it once it works nicely on my dual-head machine

<popey> might play again when feisty is nearer release

<popey> but right now its too unstable and just gets in the way of real work

<constrictor> preetttyyy desktop

<constrictor> popey preeeeeeeettty desktop

<popey> i'd rather have one that works :)

<constrictor> yeah that's what i want too

<constrictor> but preeeeetttyy at the same time

<constrictor> chicks dig preeeeeeettttyy desktops

<popey> you dont get out much do you constrictor

<constrictor> hahahahaha

<constrictor> unfortunately not recently no

<popey> i find chicks dig generosity, a sense of humour, stability, monogamy, attractiveness and a potential future soul mate over a pretty desktop

<popey> but thats just my experience

<popey> YMMV

<constrictor> what is YMMV

<constrictor> goodness i'm losing touch with these things man

<popey> Your Milage May Vary

<popey> HTH

<popey> HAND

<GazzaK> chicks dig nice cars too popey

* GazzaK ponders the amount of times I could have scored if I were so inclined

<popey> shallow ones do

<GazzaK> yeah

<GazzaK> I thought everyone knew mx5 drivers were either girls, hairdressers, gay or married

<popey> s/married/married and in a mid life crisus/

<popey> s/crisus/crisis/

<GazzaK> popey, I want to try and put websitebaker cms onto colchester.lug.org.uk, can you help me? (I can secure it nicely - honest)

<popey> have you checked out the security of the product?

<popey> seen how many vulnerabilities there are?

<popey> security announcements?

<GazzaK> I've not had any security issues with my setup

<GazzaK> I've been running it on my website for like a year and a half odd now, only had issues with their dodgy guestbook, which i'd not want to use anyways

<popey> no, I mean, what announcements have the project made about security issues

<popey> how often do updates come out

<popey> that kind of thing

<GazzaK> updates - nov 2.6.4, feb 2.6.5, so every few months. their forums are good, cannot see much about security issues

<popey> url?

<popey> mind if I have a poke

<GazzaK> http://forum.websitebaker.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=9ca7c74aa3c4b6f8ab11ceeede7432e4&board=2.0

<popey> to be honest its your space, you do what you like, but be aware that if anything looks like it is going to compromise the hosting it will get shutdown

<GazzaK> thats the pages I'm looking at right now

<GazzaK> I understand that popey

<popey> we have shutdown the sites of 3 LUGs in the last 6 months or so because their sites were spam vectors or broken in some way

<popey> those LUGs didnt keep their sites up to date or keep maintaining them

<GazzaK> I do feel WB is okay, as it will only host stuff.

<DaveMorris> I assume you warn them before shutting them down

<popey> GazzaK: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=security+website+baker

<popey> no DaveMorris

<popey> we tell them after

<popey> why would you assume we leave a broken site up?

<popey> we dont close the LUG :) we just move the offending pages out of the way usually

<popey> which isnt unreasonable

<DaveMorris> oh, I thought you ripped the whole site out

<popey> we have had sites that have such crap code it brings the server to its knees

<popey> we have also had sites that were used for sending spam

<popey> which could potentially mean no LUGs get any email if we appear on a block list as a result

<DaveMorris> I suppose some spammer might say they are a LUG

<popey> no, its not that

<popey> its that the LUG setup a site which is fundamentally broken

<popey> that allows people to submit spam through a web form for example

* GazzaK is not gonna have web forms

<GazzaK> I learnt that the hard way :p

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<popey> T minus 2 days to FOSDEM!

<DaveMorris> PM response to road prcing

<DaveMorris> " If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m" - he forgets to mention that gets you 6-8 lanes + 2 hard shoulders

<GazzaK> the email stinks

<nwebmaster> Hello!

<nwebmaster> I'm fresh on Ubuntu

<nwebmaster> looking for someone to advice

<Sionide> go on then

<constrictor> hello nwebmaster

<nwebmaster> hello

<constrictor> !ask | nwebmaster

<ubotwo> nwebmaster: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)

<nwebmaster> i'm using freebsd os now

<nwebmaster> and looking anthor os to us

<nwebmaster> advice me how to use it plz

<nwebmaster> on webserver

<nwebmaster> or isp

<nwebmaster> i'm a teacher in schooll

<GazzaK> in bangkok?

<nwebmaster> No.

<nwebmaster> Phrae province

<nwebmaster> on the north of thailand(Bangkok)

<GazzaK> but still, thailand

<GazzaK> is ti nice out there

<nwebmaster> offcos

<nwebmaster> pardon me if i use english mistake

<popey> nwebmaster: have you seen http://www.ubuntuclub.com/html/index.php ?

<nwebmaster> because my english is extremly poor

<GazzaK> no probs, but maybe #ubuntu might be able to assist better than us

<GazzaK> your english is very good actually

<nwebmaster> thanks..

<nwebmaster> i ever seen it

<GazzaK> popey, how is your website run? (still thinking what to use for colchester)

<popey> GazzaK: which?

<nwebmaster> for education

<GazzaK> is it run on sugar and snails and dandelion tails (popey.com)

<popey> drupal

<GazzaK> is that easy yet secure?

<popey> er

<popey> no

<popey> :)

<nwebmaster> i'm looking for some os such as ubuntu to use in my class room (School)

<popey> nwebmaster: I would recommend you join the #edubuntu channel

<constrictor> !edubuntu | nwebmaster

<ubotwo> nwebmaster: Edubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org

<popey> Edubuntu is Ubuntu tailored for education

<popey> GazzaK: it has as many security alerts as every other rubbish php app :)

<GazzaK> how about a ubuntu based thingy (see, I'm so technical) like frontpage?

<popey> GazzaK: what do you want to achieve?

<nwebmaster> Basic reqirement (enveronment) on pc

<GazzaK> popey, a presence, simple, easy, light, but editable from any platform anywhere... so I could for example, upload pics and text from a linux meet in a pub, on anyones laptop...

<popey> nwebmaster: please try the #edubuntu channel..

<nwebmaster> i ever to installed unbuntu on m y pc

<nwebmaster> but it very slow

<GazzaK> a homepage, a gallery page(s), contact, info, etc, nothing too hard at all popey

<popey> nwebmaster: how much memory?

<nwebmaster> 128MB

<popey> nwebmaster: that's why. Ubuntu requires at least 256Mb

<nwebmaster> sad!

<popey> nwebmaster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LowEndSystemSupport

<popey> nwebmaster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems

<nwebmaster> Thanks

<nwebmaster> i'm switch to edubuntu chanel

<nwebmaster> Do you have a ubuntu manual or document ?

<nwebmaster> My reqirement

<nwebmaster> is a use to Server

<nwebmaster> such as

<nwebmaster> web Server Database Server

<popey> nwebmaster: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html

<nwebmaster> now i'm using freeBSD

<nwebmaster> my server

<nwebmaster> http://202.28.109.130

<nwebmaster> Uuntu is a very good os

<nwebmaster> Have you ever came to thailand??

<GazzaK> nope

<GazzaK> but heard it is nice

<nwebmaster> Very nice??

<nwebmaster> I would like to invite you to my country

<nwebmaster> popey

<nwebmaster> It is your family?

<nwebmaster> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/

<Seeker`> hmm

<Seeker`> beryl doesn't like mouse clicks atm

<GazzaK> restart the window manager Seeker`

<Seeker`> I have done

<Seeker`> if i run beryl-manager, beryl starts

<Seeker`> but it doesn't register mouse clicks

<GazzaK> svn?

<Seeker`> i can move the mouse

<Seeker`> but clicking does nothing

<Seeker`> i'm using the "proper" repo on feisty

<GazzaK> I had that, I restarted the window manager and it then was okay

<GazzaK> or maybe restart the window decorator

<Seeker`> do you mean /etc/init.d/gdm restart

<GazzaK> noooo

<Seeker`> i cant restart anything, because i cant click on the beryl icon to restart stuff

<GazzaK> eek

<GazzaK> erm

<GazzaK> dunno

* GazzaK is lost

<GazzaK> reboot :p

<Seeker`> heh, my thoughts

<Seeker`> tried that

<GazzaK> rebuild? :ppp

<Seeker`> i'll wait and see what updates appear tomottow

* GazzaK hides

<GazzaK> sorry I'm no help am I

<Seeker`> s/tomottow/tomorrow

* Seeker` thwacks GazzaK with a wet fish

<popey> nwebmaster: yes

<Seeker`> blah, its too quiet in here

* Seeker` starts playing some metallica

<DaveMorris> I can't hear it, turn it up

<Seeker`> DaveMorris: tried the bot yet?

<DaveMorris> hmmmm, not yet. So many things to get done 1st.

<DaveMorris> **feels guilty for not trying it

<Seeker`> why do you feel guilty?

<DaveMorris> coz I rushed you to get it out the door before your weekend away

<Seeker`> DaveMorris: I needed to do it anyway really

<Seeker`> if i didn;t have someone prodding me i probably wouldn't have it done by now

<DaveMorris> fair enough

<bugbot> New on planetuk: Caroline Ford: STRESS <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/129300.html>

<GazzaK> OMG, Caroline, eeek, I don't want to know!!!

<medders> does the planet filter out ubuntu related posts?

<medders> i mean the ones not ubuntu related

<GazzaK> it obviously doesn't

<GazzaK> since that last one had nothing linuxy at all

<loudmouthman> medders not really it parses what you want it to know

<GazzaK> and she wants everyone to know everything

<loudmouthman> but generally people pass it feeds based on their tags ( hmm i need to reword that ) .

<medders> so the poster could only register a feed for a certain tag or category?

* GazzaK tags loudmouthman

<medders> cool

<GazzaK> you're it

<loudmouthman> NOT IT

<medders> were you at base?

<loudmouthman> medders yeah or just the root of their blog

<loudmouthman> no but I had twixies..

* loudmouthman uncrosses fingers from behind back.

<GazzaK> well, doesn't matter, I got a good feel anyways

* GazzaK hides

<GazzaK> O_o

* loudmouthman shakes head. "oh Gazzzak!"

<GazzaK> <innocentish look>

<medders> and they say new users are scared of the community ;)

<GazzaK> nope, they are scared of me

<GazzaK> do I still count as a new user?

<loudmouthman> medders hheheh I do wonder though about new users and the community. its hard not to be overt, wierd, geeky or clique or hegegomonic<sic>

<GazzaK> or spell right

<medders> if any thing i think new users like watching madcap antics :D

<loudmouthman> yeah well its the spelling and grammar nazis who are usually 20 somethings who forget that people are just people and the best way to make a change is to become the change you want to see.

<GazzaK> but I'm 30

<loudmouthman> oh yeah Im real zany !

<medders> i'm 18 :D

<GazzaK> and I really could not understand you

<GazzaK> hedgehogmonic????

<loudmouthman> hang on a bit .

<loudmouthman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony

<GazzaK> ahhhhh

* GazzaK understands (a bit more) now

<GazzaK> it is a bit clique

<loudmouthman> or like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

<GazzaK> but I try to mess that up with wild uncontrolled perving

<GazzaK> and other humourous stuff

<GazzaK> and cute bunnies

<GazzaK> and general OCD behaviour

<loudmouthman> so , who here has not yet seen Herding Cats from Jon of The Bacon ?

<GazzaK> me

<loudmouthman> last time I checked I wasnt OCD, but that was 20 seconds ago.

<GazzaK> check again

<GazzaK> and again...and again, and once, twice, three times more

* GazzaK checked the bathroom light four times this morning

<GazzaK> it was off each time

<medders> loudmouthman: I've seen a bit of it, is it all about jokosher ?

* Seeker` wonders just how compulsive you have to be to have OCD

<loudmouthman> no its about getting communities to work be more open and oh here we go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hljFWuN3lFI

<GazzaK> Seeker`, once you spend more time getting the car ready to drive to work, than the drive to work takes, you know something is up

<medders> loudmouthman: cheers :)

<loudmouthman> I used to have OCD, but now im not so, hang on a bit; I used to have OCD, but now im not so, hang on a bit; I used to have OCD, but now im not so, hang on a bit; I used to have OCD, but now im not so, hang on a bit;

<GazzaK> oil - check, water - check, windows clean - check, etc etc

<GazzaK> loudmouthman, no no no, thats a stutter

<loudmouthman> sulk

* medders comforts loudmouthman

<GazzaK> it never used to be so bad, a ten minute check routine, to do 45 min was just about okay, but a ten min check routine to then drive five min is just annoying me

<DaveMorris> whats the agenda for tonight?

<loudmouthman> I feel it should be finishing stuff off setting new goals

<GazzaK> tonight? eeek, not another meeting I'm gonna miss, why do they have to be wednesday

<loudmouthman> comic relief and guadec on horizon and just giving us time to finish things

<GazzaK> can someone say Hi from me

<loudmouthman> Hi from Gazzak

<loudmouthman> oh , sorry you meant later.

<GazzaK> not now donut

<DaveMorris> is it in here again?

<loudmouthman> yep

* Seeker` may not be there at the beginning - Am going to see Hot Fuzz

<Seeker`> GazzaK: i dont drive

<loudmouthman> Seeker to be honest i think its just worth setting a discussion to allow things to be finished.

<GazzaK> thats good then Seeker` I take 15 min to do a 5 min journey, as I have to check things

<GazzaK> I suppose at least my house is nice and tidy eh

<loudmouthman> ping jono

<loudmouthman> ping jono for quickie question.

<jono> loudmouthman: dude

<X3N> i have a quickie question for you too loudmouthman

<GazzaK> so do I

<Seeker`> loudmouthman: Huh?

<X3N> anyone got a question for me ?

<GazzaK> I have...

<Seeker`> X3N: Where do babies come from?

<loudmouthman> X3n go ahead. query me .

<X3N> i did loudmouthman ;)

<X3N> Seeker`: they come from the moon on little spaceships

<GazzaK> X3N, good answer

* Seeker` considers putting " X3N : i did loudmouthman ;)

<Seeker`> in the topic

* GazzaK is jealous

* X3N does *

<GazzaK> that was my question to him too :'(

<loudmouthman> sheesh ! X3n sorry I missed your Q though .

<X3N> oh right

* X3N wonders what that actually means

* loudmouthman rewatches herding cats and notes that if you really look closely Jono sneaks in talking about PROCESS ( management speak ) and gets away with it <grin>

<jono> haha

<bugbot> New on planetuk: Caroline Ford: Govt rejects calls to ban DRM <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/129706.html>

<jono> worth a shot :P

<loudmouthman> jono, your clearly looking to enhance synergy between dymnamic process teams.

<loudmouthman> what me ? work with accenture ? never <grin>

<jono> loudmouthman: preferably while leveraging vertical markets

<X3N> don't forget to use paradigm in there somewhere

<loudmouthman> well if your not going after the blue chips youve got to lever vertical markets within your mindshare.

<jono> heh

<Seeker`> and web2.0.

<Seeker`> and if you have web2.0 you have to have AJAX

<loudmouthman> of course it does require brand to be well defined within the scope of the marketbase.

<X3N> in the context of a dynmaic workplace assesment

<loudmouthman> then again I always felt that the potential of VARs to leverage their own VMs within the OEM space was limitless

<X3N> loudmouthman PM !

<loudmouthman> X3N go for it.

<X3N> already did

<loudmouthman> but im in PHB mode.

<DaveMorris> I read that as loudmouthman for PM !

<loudmouthman> Horray ! . and Popey for President and Jono can be King !

<jono> heh

<DaveMorris> but who will be your tech advisor?

<loudmouthman> Well Mr Shuttleworth if hes free.

<medders> are we starting our own country?

<medders> like Danny Wallace did ages back :)

<DaveMorris> we're buying sealand :)

<medders> \o/

<GazzaK> I wouldn't there be pirates about there

<loudmouthman> yeah youd hate to be Jolly Rogered!

* GazzaK coughs

<GazzaK> I like roger the cabin boy more

<mattl> there was no roger the cabin boy. :)

*** medders_ is now known as medders

<GazzaK> mattl, there was in my version

<GazzaK> mine was the r18 version

<jayteeuk> Afternoon all.

<loudmouthman> sigh .. i hate doing support to people who never actually listen to the question , how fscking hard is it to answer " can you see the start button ?"

<loudmouthman> hey Jayteeuk

<loudmouthman> and dont even get me started on the control panel for hp1300dtn. you have to set the paper size in about 8 different locations!

* jayteeuk chuckles at loudmouthman

* GazzaK thinks he is a little wound up

<jayteeuk> I just popped in really to let people know I won't be in the meeting this evening.

<GazzaK> same here :(

<jayteeuk> Oh, and because I enjoy the excellent company and stimulating conversation, of course. ;)

<GazzaK> thanks \o/

<GazzaK> I do try to stimulate

<jayteeuk> You're waiting for someone to tell you you succeed, aren't you? :-P

<GazzaK> well...

<jayteeuk> Oh OK then, I'll bite.

<jayteeuk> I always find you stimulating.

<jayteeuk> There. :)

<GazzaK> yay

<GazzaK> thats good, I'm happy now

<jayteeuk> Mean it. ;)

<bugbot> New on planetuk: Steve Garton (sheepeatingtaz): E-petitions <http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/02/21/e-petitions/>

<jayteeuk> Ah yes, did you get an e-mail from Tony Blair as well sheepeatingtaz?

<jayteeuk> Heheh, nice touch at the end though. :)

<GazzaK> hehe

<jayteeuk> Right, that's me done for the day.

<mattl> jayteeuk: you started? :p

<jayteeuk> Please pass on my apologies this evening, I just need to get an early night and a good kip otherwise this flu's gonna take hold properly.

<jayteeuk> mattl: Well, kind of. :-P

<jayteeuk> If you can call testing VPN connections and SSH sessions, and reverse-applying kernel patches getting started.

<jayteeuk> Night all, hopefully see you tomorrow.

* stdin won't be able to be at the meeting tonight, he just got called in to work :(

<mattl> stdin: was stdout sick?

<X3N> wooo wee we have DNS people !

<mattl> X3N: awesome. now finish the hurd.

<X3N> we have dns access to ubuntu-uk.org is what i mean

<bugbot> New on planetuk: Matt Lee: UK Government is Defective by Design <http://mattl.co.uk/blog/2007/02/21/uk-government-is-defective-by-design/> | Caroline Ford: "Hoodies throw man off train" - Evening Standard headline <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/129822.html>

<X3N> i'll finally be able to setup planet.ubuntu-uk.org

<LoudMouthMan> hahah X3N when you write it like that you sound like Zargon from the Yellow pages adverts.

<X3N> i could do a redirect for wiki.ubuntu-uk.org to ubuntu.com/wiki/UKTeam/

<X3N> excuse me a minute

<X3N> ARSE !!!!!

* X3N is forced to use MS office outlook web access

* X3N has been trying to send an email for the last 10 minutes

<X3N> apparently you can't use a comma sepeated list for multiple recipients

<X3N> oh god, now a whole load of invalid email addresses have been added to the recipients list which i can't remove

<X3N> oh of course, i have to click on the names and go to another screen to delete them

* X3N goes off to find his stress ball

<James_Pain> darn my router

<James_Pain> i hate it when it doesn't renew the lease

<jamesbrose> I'm looking for a CD size server distribution, can anybody recommend one? (apart from debian or ubuntu :P)

<X3N> gnoppnix

<James_Pain> don't you mean knoppix?

<X3N> nope

<James_Pain> what about gnoppix?

<jamesbrose> Does it have good wi-fi support?

<jamesbrose> or wi-fi support at all?

<X3N> hmm gnoppix seems not to be very well maintained anymore

<jamesbrose> Apparently its discontinued..

<jamesbrose> I'm gonna go with knoppix then

<LoudMouthMan> Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://www.ubuntu-uk.org | Ubuntu FAQ: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members add your picture | Next UKTeam Meeting is in #ubuntu-uk on 21st February at 21:00 Agenda is here [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20070221Meeting ] | This isn't a support channel, but we won't turn you down if you want support. #ubuntu is the official support

<LoudMouthMan> channel.

<DaveMorris> Loudmouth, your got any more rackmount cases?

<James_Pain> planet ubuntu-uk is ment for linux styled blog posts right?

<mdke> James_Pain: no, not really

<James_Pain> oh good :)

*** schwuk_ is now known as schwuk

<DaveMorris> update-rc.d adds stuff to the different run levels, how can I remove stuff? ie gdm

<tsmithe> remove the symlink from /etc/rc2.d

<tsmithe> or whatever runlevel you want

<tsmithe> or use update-rc.d

<tsmithe> up to you

<DaveMorris> sudo update-rc.d gdm remove did it

<DaveMorris> cheers

<DaveMorris> does anyone know where I can buy servers from but in 3 u cases not 1u (no a/c at work )

<X3N> i don't know about 3u but 4u is pretty common for atx servers

<DaveMorris> 4u will do, you know of a supplier (uni dosen't really want me building them)

<X3N> a pre built one ?

<DaveMorris> yeah

<X3N> depends what you want it for

<DaveMorris> general DB/web server

<DaveMorris> not network storgage etc

<DaveMorris> and to maybe run multiverse on

<X3N> i'd probably get one off ebay

<Seeker`> lo

<LoudMouthMan> hey ... brb in 1 min

<DaveMorris> *sits down with his mug of tea

<LoudMouthMan> okay , wow 45 people here ! thats alot !

<LoudMouthMan> but we have a mootbot and a ububot so thats still not bad..

<LoudMouthMan> so shall this begin ?

<LoudMouthMan> despite dresden being on ?

<LoudMouthMan> %startmeeting

<AndrewWilliams> its a # :)

<LoudMouthMan> #startmeeting

<MootBot> Meeting started at 22:02. The chair is LoudMouthMan.

<LoudMouthMan> AndrewWilliams cheers, grrr im in three modes tonight.

<LoudMouthMan> okay so do we have everyones attention, give me a present at least ?

<DaveMorris> [PRESENT]

<AndrewWilliams> [PRESENT]

<X3N> [PRESENT]

<X3N> MootBot owns

<e30Andy> [PRESENT]

<medders> [PRESENT]

<Sionide> ?

<LoudMouthMan> Anyone else or are we just quit tonight , Ill give it a extra minute just to be sure

<Sionide> [PRESENT]

<medders> X3N: I'll second that :)

<Owdgit> present

<James_Pain> [PRESENT]

<Sionide> what is supposed to happen?

<bugbot> New on planetuk: Toby Smithe: Reply from the BBC regarding pro-Microsoft bias in Vista news reporting <http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2007/02/21/reply-from-the-bbc-regarding-pro-microsoft-bias-in-vista-news-reporting/>

<LoudMouthMan> nothing much its just nice to know that everyone has returned from having a break, grabbing a drink or reading the planets.

* X3N gives Seeker` a cookie for furfilling a need so well

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Getting things moving from NikButler : its been a while weve built up some things to do , are we in general happy that things are a) happening and b) moving forward and if so shall we give ourselves space to achieve them ?

<MootBot> New topic: Getting things moving from NikButler : its been a while weve built up some things to do , are we in general happy that things are a) happening and b) moving forward and if so shall we give ourselves space to achieve them ?

<James_P> i hste my router, anyway i'm back

<James_P> hate*

<DaveMorris> what are the goals/projects? Is there a list of them?

<LoudMouthMan> Davemorris, well mostly the meeting minutes help set the agreed goals and projects.

<LoudMouthMan> as well as the projects page itself . but since in 4 months weve built up a small list of tidy up and get done jobs I think its probably okay to just wrap them up

<DaveMorris> ok

<constrictor> my xserver has gone wonky

<constrictor> i log in and it brings me back to the log in screen

<constrictor> fiesty :(

<DaveMorris> constrictor: meeting ;)

<LoudMouthMan> I had planned to review the discussions and take time to round up the various members and see if we are moving, peddling or dropping things as it goes.

<X3N> constrictor: you've just walked into a meeting ;)

<constrictor> oops

<neuro_> meeting?

* LoudMouthMan Waves at constrictor and says "hey join in anyway , your opinion much appreciated"

<constrictor> forgot

<LoudMouthMan> neuro_ like you dont know <wink>

<AndrewWilliams> someone needs to adjust the topic

<AndrewWilliams> channel topic that is

<X3N> go on then :p

*** LoudMouthMan changes topic to " Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://www.ubuntu-uk.org | Ubuntu FAQ: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members add your picture | Next UKTeam Meeting is in #ubuntu-uk on 21st February at 21:00 and in Progress | This isn't a support channel, but we won't turn you down if you want support. #ubuntu is the official support channel"

<LoudMouthMan> I had edited it earlier as well to include the Agenda details !

<X3N> I thought that this /was/ a support channel

<LoudMouthMan> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20070221Meeting

<MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20070221Meeting

<DaveMorris> are there any oprhaned projects which need wrapping or dropping?

<LoudMouthMan> wow thanks Seeker` links are implemented ! heheh

<DaveMorris> s/wrapping/wrapping up

<AndrewWilliams> thanks to me :)

<LoudMouthMan> DaveMorris yes I believe there are and weve talked about it before.

<Sionide> this is a support channel, but only for "UK" related problems... heh

<LoudMouthMan> but when we agreed stuff and whom was going to do the next step its nice to leave a chance for those things to happen.

<X3N> it's local support which is the point of a loco group.. anyway offtopic sorry

<X3N> I think things are ticking over quite nicely, people seem to be quite busy at the moment

<LoudMouthMan> X3N , Sionide, indeed<grin> but just staying on topic it seems the relevant thing here is to find people on channel here ( including me ) who will effect the shriving and review of projects and agreements

<Sionide> what's the comic relief thing about?

<X3N> LoudMouthMan: maybe we could be doing more in collaborating our efforts with the testing of feisty

*** James_P is now known as James_Pain

<LoudMouthMan> X3N , yes i agree with that also ( god knows I am ) . but for dead / completed / discarded projects ideas a once a month review or email to relevant people may help keep the weeds down.

<LoudMouthMan> Sionide, We can get to that later.

<Sionide> alright

<LoudMouthMan> X3N . A very good point. I'll shove that into AOB though but yes we could .

<LoudMouthMan> If I take into account Jonos Herding Cats conversations I ( like X3N ) feel that things are moving forward and things are getting done, or does anyone not feel this to be the case ?

<X3N> were you thinking of any specific projects when you put that item in LoudMouthMan ?

<LoudMouthMan> its actually really good that we have nothing NEW or Distracting to be doing <Grin>

<X3N> yeah i agree

<X3N> not much point in coming up with ideas if we don't give ourselves time to impliment them

<LoudMouthMan> X3N , Its a return to the discussion about cleaning up the wiki and to recognising that that things are happening . unless people feel differently . its a chance to say .. "hey actually it all seems static"

<X3N> maybe a reminder to people to update their project subpages

<LoudMouthMan> so okay , shall we agree to set the next meeting date at least 6 weeks in the future and give time for things to change/grow/happen ?

<LoudMouthMan> X3N , yep , oh and AndrewWilliams I just caught up your Seeker` so cheers <grin>

<X3N> I think it would also be benificial to find out which projects have gone stale

<X3N> so a mini report from the people in the project would be quite good

<LoudMouthMan> gods yes , if only to bench them and allow them time to grow at their own rate.

<DaveMorris> and no report means it stale

<X3N> I know my project has had quite a few developments recently which people probably don't know about

<AndrewWilliams> no, i'm helping seeker with the bot :)

<X3N> so, next meeting a /breif/ report on the activity on the projects ?

<LoudMouthMan> it think no feedback or comments or connection means its stale but we discussed butting a update on each wiki page suggesting it would be archived.

<LoudMouthMan> X3N yes good idea ( can you phrase that as IDEA ) and we will make that a time to review projects ..

<X3N> ok

<LoudMouthMan> it might give us something to write about for the fridge and for local magazines.

<X3N> [IDEA] A short report from a nominated memeber of a current ubuntu-uk team project to be presented to the list and discussed in the next meeting

<MootBot> IDEA received: A short report from a nominated memeber of a current ubuntu-uk team project to be presented to the list and discussed in the next meeting

<GazzaK> eeek, meeting?

<DaveMorris> yep

<LoudMouthMan> I think we can agree to that and move on ? yes

<X3N> I agree to it :p

<GazzaK> yay, I made it, a bit late but meh

<GazzaK> +1 from me too

<DaveMorris> [AGREED]

<LoudMouthMan> So to be clear a date for the next meeting to be at least 6 weeks away and to include short reports ?

<X3N> yeah

<DaveMorris> [IDEA] a wiki page with the moot bots tags for people to use

<MootBot> IDEA received: a wiki page with the moot bots tags for people to use

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] A date for the next meeting to be at least 6 weeks away and to include short reports from avaliable project members.

<MootBot> AGREED received: A date for the next meeting to be at least 6 weeks away and to include short reports from avaliable project members.

<LoudMouthMan> moving on then

<GazzaK> if I can make it, I'll give a short report on taking over me local LUG :-)

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Comic Relief , Has anyone any further thoughts/ideas ?

<MootBot> New topic: Comic Relief , Has anyone any further thoughts/ideas ?

<Sionide> [AGREED] a wiki page with the moot bots tags for people to use

<LoudMouthMan> there was a wiki page ( let me go find it )

<X3N> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot

<X3N> beat you :p

<willskills> hey X3N

<willskills> did you get DSL booting off the pen?

<willskills> I can run in windows np

<willskills> off the stick

<Sionide> well, for comic relief i'm taking part in an event my student radio station is doing called Hearing Aid, it's nation wide so you might hear about it.. not ubuntu related, but it could be

<willskills> tested at work today :p

<Sionide> somehow

<willskills> but when I try to boot off the pen

<X3N> willskills: we're in a meeting right now, but no i went to bed and haven't tried much more

<GazzaK> once for comic relief I dyed my hair bright red, I ain't doing that again

<willskills> ok mate, sorry to disturb :)

<X3N> join in :)

<Sionide> GazzaK, dye the ubuntu logo in

<LoudMouthMan> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/CharityWork/ComicReliefIdeas

<MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/CharityWork/ComicReliefIdeas

<willskills> ok :)

<Sionide> parts of it are red, heh

<GazzaK> Sionide, http://www.kearley.net/images/redhair.jpg

<GazzaK> it was a bad day okay... permanent hair dye is a pita to grow out

<LoudMouthMan> Sionide, I personally feel every effort, effect and idea and involvement related or not is important if a UK member was involved.

<X3N> Sponsored bug fixing is a great idea

<LoudMouthMan> okay well I reckon we have about 2 weeks before the Comic Relief day

<Sionide> LoudMouthMan, i'll be sitting in the bar on my laptop all day probably.. watching the technical side of things as we do a 24hr broadcast.. it's gonna be great

<X3N> where is popey

<Sionide> where is jono

<LoudMouthMan> I like bugifxing to ? shall I chat it over with Bugtracker team and see what we can do ? we will need to agree a structure and get forums and mail lists involved. It seems like a pledge bank is more inorder?

<X3N> yeah sounds good

<DaveMorris> [IDEA] herd4 testing

<MootBot> IDEA received: herd4 testing

<LoudMouthMan> what the hell is herd4 ?

<Sionide> the latest release of fiesty, isn't it?

<DaveMorris> feisty herd4 testing rather than bug fixing

<GazzaK> latest dev of festering fox?

<X3N> was out on the 14th feb

<Sionide> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule

<Sionide> GazzaK, fawn*

<DaveMorris> depends if we are more programmers (bug fixing) or users/testers (bug finding in herd4, other packages)

<LoudMouthMan> hmm okay lets say . its A bug fixed by A developer.

<X3N> this is on the end of the meeting agenda

<LoudMouthMan> it is ?

<X3N> well you said other tems earlier

<X3N> (for testing)

<LoudMouthMan> X3N okay , sorry .

<popey> moo

<X3N> *items

<popey> got txt LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> i thought we were talking about Comic Relief .

<James_Pain> I like the tube marathon idea by ChrisOattes for comic relief

<X3N> popey: re-theme our site for the day - AlanPope ??

<LoudMouthMan> heeh Cool . hey popey , cant do these without you

<Sionide> LoudMouthMan, we were, but bug fixing came into convo

<rbs-tito> I'm trying to think of a name for an OEM, it is really annoying

<LoudMouthMan> Sionide, yeah well a comic relief idea is to sponsor bugs to be fixed.

<LoudMouthMan> like a pledge bank.

<X3N> Norf-ubu: meeting :)

<popey> sorry family stuff

<popey> back in 10

<Sionide> wouldn't it be more beneficial to get ubuntu.com or the fridge at least rethemed?

<GazzaK> ubuntu.com would be kinda cool

<GazzaK> who has slept with mark here though?

<James_Pain> we can do that too but we need some advertising out in the open

<Sionide> alright, not a re-theme of ubuntu.com but a banner or something

<LoudMouthMan> X3n , yeah heheh for testing we can put that at the end but for Comic Relief, how about sponsor popey to answer questions or sponsor upstreams to fix bugs ?

<Sionide> put a red nose in the ubuntu logo on the fridge, something like that

<X3N> LoudMouthMan: :D

<X3N> I can do a comic relief logo on our site and switch the colours around

<LoudMouthMan> okay lets do a quick vote .. ( not you just type +1 to vote for or -1 against ) .

<X3N> i'm happy to do that

<James_Pain> yep

<GazzaK> i'd sponsor popey to answer a question

<LoudMouthMan> [VOTE] Vote for developers to be sponsored . is the first vote.

<MootBot> Please vote on: Vote for developers to be sponsored . is the first vote..

<LoudMouthMan> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from LoudMouthMan. 1 for, 0 against. Count is now 1

<AndrewWilliams> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from AndrewWilliams. 2 for, 0 against. Count is now 2

<X3N> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from X3N. 3 for, 0 against. Count is now 3

<DaveMorris> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from DaveMorris. 4 for, 0 against. Count is now 4

<James_Pain> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from James_Pain. 5 for, 0 against. Count is now 5

<GazzaK> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from GazzaK. 6 for, 0 against. Count is now 6

<DaveMorris> can you tell us what all the options are before we vote please

<Owdgit> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from Owdgit. 7 for, 0 against. Count is now 7

<AndrewWilliams> they're +1/-1

<X3N> DaveMorris: this is one of the options for doing things for comic relief

<James_Pain> the ideas are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/CharityWork/ComicReliefIdeas

<DaveMorris> not those options, what the different ideas, is it still the same as the wiki page

<X3N> yeah

<LoudMouthMan> AndrewWilliams remind me to end votes. my links died ?

<LoudMouthMan> !

<X3N> #endvote

<AndrewWilliams> its #endvote

<LoudMouthMan> #endvote

<MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. Total: 7

<LoudMouthMan> chers

<LoudMouthMan> cheers.. heheh . must keep that page open !

<X3N> can we vote on theme'ing our site

<LoudMouthMan> okay . well I will mod th page and publish it tonight and get some feedback from lists /forums ( PriceChild ? ) but for now I think if we sponsor bugs it for developers to fix ..

<LoudMouthMan> [VOTE] Should Ubuntu-uk be themed for Comic Relief ?

<MootBot> LoudMouthMan, Either there isn't a meeting in progress, or there is already an active vote.

<LoudMouthMan> +1

<X3N> +1

<GazzaK> +1

<James_Pain> +1

<DaveMorris> +1

<DaveMorris> +1

<AndrewWilliams> now thats a bug :(

<Owdgit> +1

<LoudMouthMan> <grin> Mr Williams I have a problem <grin>

* AndrewWilliams gets the hammer out

<James_Pain> lol

<X3N> uh oh.. we might have to do it manually !!

<LoudMouthMan> okay It seem pretty clear we all want to do something for Comic Relief and if people will forgive me I will happily hammer and announce the content to the respective communities.

<X3N> cool

* LoudMouthMan ignores Davemorris voting twice.

<GazzaK> cheater :p

<DaveMorris> I was testing for bugs

<LoudMouthMan> So if we are agreed to do Comic Relief lets see what we can do to make it onto some new channel somewhere.

<X3N> ?

<LoudMouthMan> news channel rather

<James_Pain> we could also try and push ubuntu on some magz but I do realy like the tube marathon

<X3N> oh

<LoudMouthMan> tube marathon ? explain ?

<GazzaK> we could climb the london eye dressed as penguins?

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak its Freedom Software not Fathers for Freedom !

<X3N> LoudMouthMan: go full trip on the tube

<James_Pain> "Tube marathon, wearing ubuntu logos"

<AndrewWilliams> bot should be ok, just avoid votes :)

<X3N> like all the way the circle line

<GazzaK> same thing, I got confuzzeled

<medders> dressing up stone henge as the ubuntu logo?

<GazzaK> is that sitting on a train??? (the underground idea)

<X3N> yeah

<LoudMouthMan> well that matches a experiment im doing on producing Ubuntu Logo tshirts on the very cheap and quick. so it might help. Who did our Ubuntu UKlogo ?

<X3N> if there is a large group it's quite effective

<Sionide> +1

<MootBot> +1 received from Sionide. 8 for, 0 against. Count is now 8

<DaveMorris> *wants a Tee

<LoudMouthMan> medders I LIKE it , it gets us in a shit load of trouble but still I like it !

<LoudMouthMan> #endvote

<MootBot> Final result is 8 for, 0 against. Total: 8

<James_Pain> if its a large group of anything involving linux news channels like bbc and itv will catch it

<AndrewWilliams> ....

<medders> LoudMouthMan: I figure trouble equals attention ;)

<Sionide> HRM

<LoudMouthMan> so ... moving on can we agree to at least focus on Comic Relief

<James_Pain> yep

<LoudMouthMan> medders.. your worse than me ?

<Sionide> dressing up stone henge probably counts as vandalism or some such offence

<medders> Sionide: dang laws :)

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] Comic Relief will be the next Ubuntu UK focused activity. or some wording like it .

<MootBot> AGREED received: Comic Relief will be the next Ubuntu UK focused activity. or some wording like it .

<James_Pain> plug stone henge is behind a rope o.O

<LoudMouthMan> Sionide. I know , but its still funny . if only dominos could do a ubuntu pizza

<LoudMouthMan> anyway .. moving on !

<GazzaK> I do like the idea of causing havoc on the underground, i'd be up fo it

<X3N> me too

<James_Pain> same here

<Sionide> me too i love the underground.. heh

<X3N> if you stick to one line, it wouldn't cost much

<GazzaK> as long as we get arrested and we have to spend the night in jail together

* GazzaK hides

<DaveMorris> all day travel card :)

<James_Pain> day card

<X3N> that's true

<LoudMouthMan> then do it .. but tell people you'll give a 10p to comic relief for every CD they take from you that day !

<James_Pain> we could get some banners and shout in the train ect

<X3N> oyster card++

<GazzaK> great idea

* James_Pain sits back down

<X3N> great idea LoudMouthMan

<James_Pain> nice idea loud

<X3N> (unless we get into hundreds of pounds of debt.. )

<LoudMouthMan> X3N then you carry as many 10ps as CDs ! and put the 10ps into a agreed collecting pot <grin>

<GazzaK> circle line, and pick a carrage - that means anyone can arrive and check out each passing carrage till on passes with a load of nutters on board, rather than having to all meet up first then get to the train

<Sionide> should someone send off for one of those fund raiser packs they're advertising on the tele?

<LoudMouthMan> Sionide I can do that this weekend if people can commit to ideas.

<Sionide> that way we'd be official collectors for comic relief, on the trains and people could donate into our buckets, etc

<X3N> we don't want to have too many ideas

<GazzaK> and see if canonical / ship it can send us a load of stuff too, including 6.10 cds

<James_Pain> will they wave the charge for us then?

<LoudMouthMan> We raised £300 for Children In need by just selling tshirt. theres no reason to see why we cant raise £1000 by giving away CDs and fixing bugs. and its about Africa ( ubuntu ) so its well tied in.

<Sionide> James_Pain, the charge of travelling? doubt it.. it's only a few quid for a day card anyways

<LoudMouthMan> [IDEA] Chase Canonical / Shipit for help in doing something for Comic Relief.

<MootBot> IDEA received: Chase Canonical / Shipit for help in doing something for Comic Relief.

<James_Pain> i mean for the 6.10 cd's

<Sionide> LoudMouthMan, good point about africa

<Sionide> James_Pain, oh definitely

<Sionide> depends how many we want ?

<James_Pain> oh goodie

<X3N> is feisty going to be release on ship it ?

<X3N> or is it now only lts releases

<LoudMouthMan> okay well lets keep this for the Wiki and can people post/write articles and ideas on the wiki page please ! id like to keep those hopes moving forward. lets try and raise £1000 for Comic Relief .

<GazzaK> when is feisty actually due out?

<willskills> april?

<willskills> I think

<X3N> 19th april

<GazzaK> ahh, too late by far then

<GazzaK> and see if jono can secure us all cool tshirts?

<James_Pain> we should then focus on 6.10 for comic relief

<GazzaK> not 6.06, as that is old :p

<popey> moo

<GazzaK> baa?

<James_Pain> cluck?

<GazzaK> family disaster averted popey ?

<LoudMouthMan> popey . cool was wondering hoe you were .

<popey> fine fine

<popey> apologies for missing the meeting

<LoudMouthMan> okay so . ill chase up jono/canonical/shipit/comicrelief and get things rolling .

<X3N> we passed one of your ideas on comic relief for re branding the site popey

<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, well done \o/

<LoudMouthMan> it does appear at least 3 of is ( at least ) will do things.

<James_Pain> shold we do a vote or somthing for the tube marathon then?

<LoudMouthMan> James Pain . We could but im not sure how I in sussex woudl vote ? I approve of it though and I will see what I can get

<James_Pain> kk

<LoudMouthMan> but I will suggest if it gets on the respective wiki page I will get Tshirts to those involved if I can .

<X3N> post to the list, i'm sure there are quite a few more londers

<LoudMouthMan> I think its a good idea to spread the load and spread the opportunities though.

* LoudMouthMan wonders what the London Perlmongers and Davorg are upto nowadays anway.

<GazzaK> i'm in north essex and i'll do it

<LoudMouthMan> so moving on if I can ?

<medders> how about we have collections all around the country? like people meeting up at a nearby red nose day event and giving out cd's while collecting money

<medders> just to be less london centric

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] Comic relief to be the next Ubuntu UK charity raising focus here discussed and Nikbutler to co-ordinate

<MootBot> AGREED received: Comic relief to be the next Ubuntu UK charity raising focus here discussed and Nikbutler to co-ordinate

<LoudMouthMan> meddrs post that as [IDEA] and I can grab it later <Grin>

<LoudMouthMan> medders post that as [IDEA] and I can grab it later <Grin>

<medders> kk :)

<LoudMouthMan> last topic coming .

<medders> [IDEA] How about we have people meeting up at a nearby red nose day event and giving out cd's while collecting money?

<MootBot> IDEA received: How about we have people meeting up at a nearby red nose day event and giving out cd's while collecting money?

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Expos and Events, Do we clearly know who is organising what and when ?

<MootBot> New topic: Expos and Events, Do we clearly know who is organising what and when ?

<X3N> nope

<James_Pain> guess not

<LoudMouthMan> For instance we have LRL07 , and I know there a chap on that already but is he forum/mail list or irc based ?

<DaveMorris> is there a list of whats comming up

<DaveMorris> LRL?

<LoudMouthMan> then there is Guadec and DSAS kinda volunteered to move that along with thos and X3N if im correct ?

<GazzaK> Lug Radio Live

<LoudMouthMan> LRL is Lugradio Live .

<LoudMouthMan> then there is LWE , LinuxWorldExpo which unless theres anyone else I will arrange and manage.

<GazzaK> and I've taken over the colchester LUG, and will be pimping uby like a mad thing

<X3N> LoudMouthMan: correct

<DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: that the one in London

<James_Pain> gazzak, if you need any help with that then I will be happy to

<X3N> DaveMorris: guadec is in brum

<popey> 21:51 < X3N> we passed one of your ideas on comic relief for re branding the site popey

<GazzaK> James_Pain, yes please

<LoudMouthMan> good okay so Guadec is confirmed, LWE is confirmed ( yes Davemorris in London ) and LRL is some chap I cant remember ( sorry ! )

<popey> cool

<DaveMorris> I can help you with the LWE if you wanted

<GazzaK> James_Pain, #colchester-lug (there is stuff in the /topic)

<X3N> LoudMouthMan: maybe that guy with the name begining to j could help there ;)

<GazzaK> lrl is some beardy chap innit?

<X3N> i heard he wears a fake one

* X3N grins

* medders must go, see you all tomorrow

<LoudMouthMan> X3N . heheh Yeah well youd think he would have clue but Stuart is the organiser here . and Im backing out of commiting because im submitting a paper and if it goes ahead id like to make sure it gets time .

<X3N> cool

* LoudMouthMan suggests that at the BOF meeting at LRL we all wear beards .. but now I have said that Jono will know so lets convince him other wise !

<LoudMouthMan> X3N you meant jono right <grin>

<X3N> yeah something like that

<LoudMouthMan> okay any way the point of the topic is that we do have a number of "defined" venues on the horizon and id like to make sure that we hit the mark and excel in our delivery as much as we did at LWE2006.

<GazzaK> I'd love to come to LRL and try to make jono fluff up his lines by winking at him

<LoudMouthMan> i dont know how to move it forward but its a wrap around to the first topic about just moving things forward and its important not to let this become a someone/everyone/anyone/nonone issue

<DaveMorris> or there any other smaller events we could attend

<DaveMorris> such as small business fairs etc

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak , I would so join you in that one <grin> but i dont think they could handle a BearBackMountain !

* LoudMouthMan sniggers so much he snorts wine on his keyboard !

<X3N> BeerBackMountain

<LoudMouthMan> X3N even better !

<X3N> ahh now we know the cause of the degregation of the meeting

<X3N> LoudMouthMan is on the wine already

<GazzaK> DaveMorris, colchester used to have computer fairs, I am going to see if they still do and attend with cds. on a related note, LoudMouthMan when you speak to ship-it, can you see if they would bulk ship me stuff?

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak , sure but see AOB .

<LoudMouthMan> okay so anyway . theres little to agree here but there is a consensus that we need to be at these venues in as much capacity and enthusiasm as we were at linux world expo and so we must make sure the other organisers are getting support.

<X3N> agreed

<LoudMouthMan> so I guess we can move on . unless anyone has anything more to say on that topic ?

<X3N> take that as a move on sign

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] NikButler will contact Loco volunteer for LRL and Guadec and ensure that they get support and help where requested.

<MootBot> AGREED received: NikButler will contact Loco volunteer for LRL and Guadec and ensure that they get support and help where requested.

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Community Stands is a document I wrote relating to experiences in running stands and involvement at LWE 2006

<MootBot> New topic: Community Stands is a document I wrote relating to experiences in running stands and involvement at LWE 2006

<LoudMouthMan> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningCommunityStands

<MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningCommunityStands

<LoudMouthMan> Its pretty much live and ive given it some thought and other than other relevant links I cant really add more but im sure others can , so if you can or feel there is something relvant to add to this please get your edits into the document.

<LoudMouthMan> I will be monitoring/editing the document on a regular basis as and when I pull in more relevant leads and contacts , e.g. Charity events

<X3N> looks good to me

<LoudMouthMan> well that was all I wanted to say on it ,

<LoudMouthMan> is there Any other business . e.g. sionides discussion on herd4 testing

<X3N> it would good to have a meeting for testing

<X3N> like all testing bugs and things at once so we can consult each other

<LoudMouthMan> X3N i agree something clear and planned though I would think ??

<X3N> bit of a triag session/general launchpad hammering

<DaveMorris> maybe have testing days where people are able to help people that are new to testing

<X3N> yeah LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> X3N since you asked me about involvement in gnome

<DaveMorris> I personally couldn't work out what package to file bugs with the alternate CD against for instance

<LoudMouthMan> why not set the target of the top 5 bug tests/triages etc in your view and make that a Ubuntu UK testing week/triage thingie ?

<X3N> yeah

<LoudMouthMan> X3N you and Popey have good input on this and launchpad so possibly we make that a meeting in a few ( 3 ) weeks ?

<X3N> 3 weeks is a bit long in terms of feisty schedule i think

<popey> will be a bit frozen by then

<LoudMouthMan> hehehhe then you take the lead .. and set the event and time scales and I will come with what I can .. and lets do it .

<X3N> we could do it after heard 5

<DaveMorris> reminds me, I need to download a latest build and try on my via box

<LoudMouthMan> X3N i know youd like to see more collaborative involvement of the gnome community and ubuntu uk so we could use this as a start . possibly ?

<X3N> yeah ok

<X3N> I'll organise something for after heard 5

<LoudMouthMan> but we need to keep remembering to inform mail list and forums ...

<X3N> which will be after 1st march

<DaveMorris> LoudMouthMan: Did you say you where getting Ubuntu UK tees made up

<LoudMouthMan> X3N cool .

<X3N> will do

<LoudMouthMan> DaveMorris I did I was wondering about testing how well white shirts and large ubuntu logos came out . as a cheap and quick resource for creating tees.

<LoudMouthMan> something where you go and buy avery iron on transfers and then print and try .

<DaveMorris> what about black with small logos left breast

<LoudMouthMan> I went to TKmaxx today to find white shirts .. etc... and failed at the first hurdle. ill try marks tommorow.

<GazzaK> I still think we should only have the same ones as for LWE2006

<DaveMorris> there is a place in Brighton that prints them, a work college got some done, they where under a tenner

<X3N> photo printing shops oftern have them LoudMouthMan

<X3N> the ones for LWE were pretty cool

<LoudMouthMan> Davemorris tell you what if you can by the next EG Lug beat me to it Ill think of a prize !

<DaveMorris> well I'm pretty sure they where under a tenner

<GazzaK> I know they were a lot each, but worth every penny

<Norf-ubu> ASDA do el cheapo 100% cotton Tees -

<Norf-ubu> FWIW

<DaveMorris> wheer is the logo pic?

<LoudMouthMan> X3N yeah but I was thinking about how to do this with whats in your tshirt drawer and available from staples at 7.30pm !

<LoudMouthMan> or what can you get in tescos at 10pm at night to iron .

<X3N> DaveMorris: front wiki page > click logo

<X3N> :)

<LoudMouthMan> okay .so I think we are done fro this evening . its a time to consider , review and do . so lets move to meet in 6 weeks ?

<LoudMouthMan> or less ?

<X3N> hmm

<LoudMouthMan> thats the 4th of april or 21st march ?

<X3N> well we do have quite a lot of events being planned

<X3N> 21st

<LoudMouthMan> okay . so is everyone okay with 21st ?

<popey> 4th april is my birthday :)

<GazzaK> it's a wed :'(

<X3N> 19th is my brithday

<Norf-ubu> as a side note, is there a "repository" on the UK wiki of ppls skills / offers of skill that users can add there details too?

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak we can make it 22nd or 20th if its relevant !

<X3N> (march)

<LoudMouthMan> march

<GazzaK> only if thats okay with everyone, but wednesdays for me are really busy

<X3N> what about tuesday

<LoudMouthMan> so 20th March ?

<GazzaK> the other two are super fine :-)

<popey> Norf-ubu: this was suggested wasnt it LoudMouthMan ?

<Norf-ubu> might be useful, especially now....

<LoudMouthMan> popey ? I believe it was . I have been going through all themeetings notes this week and collating dicsussions and logs . norf-ubu it se