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| <Ilgrim> good night all, see you | |
| <wiseKid> are there any programmers willing to teach me a few things? | |
| <Joe_CoT> like what? | |
| <wiseKid> the best way to start/edit a program | |
| <wiseKid> all the online tutorials just teach me some basic syntax im not getting how to apply them | |
| <Joe_CoT> what do you mean by "program"? what language? | |
| <wiseKid> well right now im not to interested about which language as long as i can get started, but preferably c,c++ or python | |
| <Joe_CoT> Well I only really know C, C++, and PHP | |
| <wiseKid> learning c,c++ will help me with linux? | |
| <Joe_CoT> how so? it'll mean you learn to program. that won't help you _use_ linux. What end goal are you trying to accomplish? | |
| <wiseKid> just getting started in software development or a similar path | |
| <poningru> wiseKid: it seems like you wanna get started on programing, you want to find a tutorial that will first teach you the basics, you cant just dive into python | |
| <poningru> or C or C++ | |
| * poningru ducks | |
| <poningru> oh wait | |
| <poningru> right | |
| <wiseKid> so its not a complete waste of my time if im not completely getting how to program so soon? | |
| <Joe_CoT> wiseKid: pick one of those languages and stick with it for now. you might want to consider getting a book on it, or looking at wikibooks or tutorials for that language. For the most part, you won't "get" programming until you've done some small programs to get a feel for it. It takes experience. | |
| <wiseKid> ok, thanks | |
| <Joe_CoT> even then, programming is not necessarily development. | |
| <Joe_CoT> development is a lot more planning than writing. it's about writing something that's organized, maintainable, and efficient | |
| <wiseKid> how would i go about making a GUI for a program, or is it better to get OSS and work on those to start out with | |
| <Joe_CoT> don't worry about GUIs just yet. If you're not experienced at all with programming, make something that's easy, like a command line c++ or python program, or a php script | |
| <Joe_CoT> for GUIs you'd want to look at a Graphical IDE like GLADE, or build it with something like Swing for Java. You'll find that GUIs can just get tacked on to your programs later if you really want to, and they should be the least of your worries right now. | |
| <wiseKid> what about visual basic.net?? my other computer has microsoft and it seems like a real good language to learn except that it isnt portable | |
| <sn9> there is mono | |
| <sn9> portable C# | |
| <sn9> better to learn than VB | |
| <wiseKid> can i get the visual studio IDE for c# on linux? | |
| <sn9> there is monodevelop for ubuntu | |
| <Joe_CoT> Honestly, Visual Basic isn't very useful. At all. | |
| <Joe_CoT> dude, just learn either C++ or Python. you don't know how to program yet. once you know _how_ to program, you can pick up programming languages like collector's cards if you want. | |
| <sn9> the SVN version of monodevelop (but not the ubuntu pkg) can use visual studio 2005 files directly | |
| <wiseKid> how do i get SVN? | |
| <sn9> most ppl won't need that | |
| <Joe_CoT> wiseKid: SVN is subversion. it's a method for tracking code revisions. When he says the SVN version, he means the current version that the developers are working on. | |
| <sn9> yeah, it'll get into a later release | |
| <wiseKid> ive been reading a lot of good things about python | |
| <sn9> yeah, python is supposed to be easy to learn, but it looks weird | |
| <Joe_CoT> that's because we're used to every language looking like C | |
| <sn9> it's been around long enough for lots of good things to be said about it, but it still seems like more good things are said about ruby, which isn't as old | |
| <Joe_CoT> Python is pretty easy to learn, is pretty useful, and can link to C++ modules. | |
| <sn9> the first language i ever saw that looked like C was C | |
| <sn9> it took me all of the following week to learn it | |
| <Joe_CoT> haha | |
| <sn9> however, i _was_ coming from pascal at the time | |
| <wiseKid> does starting a server with apache to get php files on the web take any serious know how | |
| <sn9> it's less serious than VB.net | |
| <sn9> php is a big can of worms itself, though | |
| <sn9> the language, that is | |
| <wiseKid> microsoft kinda pissed me off not installing IIS on xp home edition after i started making a website for school | |
| <sn9> you're better off with apache anyway, even on windows | |
| <Joe_CoT> setting up php, mysql, and apache isn't that difficult. It's called LAMP in linux, and WAMP in windows | |
| <wiseKid> would learning php be just the same as learning another language, in the sense one i get the hang of it other languages would be easier to learn? | |
| <wiseKid> yeah but the site was in asp.net | |
| <Joe_CoT> yes. PHP is a lot like C, except a lot more abstract. there's less fine points to deal with. | |
| <sn9> php was the original P in LAMP/WAMP, but it later stood for Perl or Python, too | |
| <wiseKid> so python can be used to make websites too | |
| <sn9> i think they might as well forget the P for a lot of ppl and replace it with an R for ruby | |
| <sn9> yes, perl, python, php, whatever | |
| <Joe_CoT> wiseKid: in my opinion, learn php or python | |
| <wiseKid> i think i might start off with php, i got a website in mind | |
| <sn9> i would have said perl or python | |
| <wiseKid> i think one of my biggest problems was not having anything in mind to program | |
| <Joe_CoT> yeah. you need something to do to learn. my first project was this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vampman | |
| <sn9> "i am the viper. i come to vipe the vindows from your vorkplace" | |
| <wiseKid> how do i install zip files? | |
| <sn9> a zip file of what? | |
| <wiseKid> the project | |
| <Joe_CoT> oh, the VampMan one? you can unzip it with unzip | |
| <Joe_CoT> i wouldn't bother trying to install it. it's actually not a standalone program. it's a module for phpNuke, and a module for phpIRC | |
| <Joe_CoT> it's also a horrible bit of code. If you use that as an example for how to program you're insane :D | |
| <wiseKid> lol | |
| <wiseKid> and i was just going to look at the code | |
| <Joe_CoT> well, it's not /that/ bad. You can look at it. | |
| <Joe_CoT> that's how you program, but that's not how you develop | |
| <wiseKid> what is the difference? | |
| <Joe_CoT> the difference? that program works. you try extending it or understanding it without hating yourself. | |
| <wiseKid> and software development is making it from scratch? | |
| <Joe_CoT> no no, software development means it's planned out so that it can be added to and modified later, easily, among other things. | |
| <wiseKid> i guess i got some more learning to do just to learn how to plan a program | |
| <Joe_CoT> yeah, but planning comes later. right now, just make stuff | |
| <wiseKid> that comes back to my dilemma, im not sure what to make | |
| <Joe_CoT> lol | |
| <Joe_CoT> hello world? A program to roll dice? a program to tell you how many different ways to make change for a dollar? | |
| <wiseKid> the dice one sounds good | |
| <elkbuntu> do "petals around the rose" ;) | |
| <wiseKid> what is that?? | |
| <elkbuntu> a dice game. googling should turn up the rules. you'll have to learn the game itself first before knowing how to make a game of it. | |
| <sn9> find a software issue that annoys the crap out of you and make something that takes care of it | |
| <sn9> that's loads better than any artificial exercise | |
| <wiseKid> sn9: i hope that is easier than it sounds | |
| <Joe_CoT> sn9: i'm annoyed that there isn't a 64 bit version of flash, or a flash editor for linux. want to write them ;D | |
| <Joe_CoT> wiseKid: dice sounds good :) | |
| <sn9> there are flash editors for linux, i think | |
| <sn9> and there are lots of things that don't work in 64 -- that's not exactly a software issue | |
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| <mruiz> hey jono | |
| <jono> hi mruiz | |
| <mruiz> hi jono | |
| <EicheS> hello | |
| <elkbuntu> hola EicheS | |
| <elkbuntu> sheesh. i didnt think i smell that bad | |
| <ant30> Hi | |
| <GatoLoko> we where interfering people asking for support | |
| <pochu> hi ant30 GatoLoko :) | |
| <GatoLoko> so, if that is in the same place as te devconf we have a start point to search for hotels, I think that we can make a list shorted by "how far" to the ubuconf they are | |
| <GatoLoko> hi pochu | |
| <ant30> jono, How many people could reserve a Hotel place ? | |
| <jono> ant30: no idea | |
| <ant30> ok, May it's a turistical month, because it's last city local fest | |
| <jono> right | |
| <jono> I mainly need a list of hotel to list on the website that are near the venue | |
| <jono> brb | |
| <ant30> ok, I look for them | |
| <ant30> the Hotel where be the conference it's mid-full | |
| <jono> thanks for looking into this ant30 :) | |
| <jono> ant30: you need to call them all, I really only need hotel names and addresses | |
| <ant30> This it's a very interesting list of Hotels at Seville | |
| <ant30> http://www.hotelsmadbar.com/sp/hoteles-en-sevilla-01.html | |
| <ant30> This it's a hotel list with a city map and Hotel list and marked at map | |
| <ant30> http://www.viamichelin.com/b2b2c/esp/dyn/controller/DLAmbiguous;jsessionid=qmJfcpBcJ2kDeqV1XwJOFF0?withCriteria=false&wnoss=true&pim=false&productId=72683&strAddress=Heliopolis&strLocation=Sevilla&strCP=&strCountry=844 | |
| <ant30> it's can be read on Spanish English and Italian | |
| <ant30> like them ? | |
| <ant30> http://www.bookings.org/searchresults.html?return_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bookings.org%2Fsearchresults.html&found_addresses=&aid=307334&label=gog235jc&sid=cb2d35cfd8c774ee306a0a823407ce5e&city=-402849&ssne=Sevilla&error_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bookings.org%2Fsearchresults.html%3Faid%3D307334%3Blabel%3Dgog235jc%3Bsid%3Dcb2d35cfd8c774ee306a0a823407ce5e%3Bcheckin_monthday%3D4%3Bcheckin_year_month%3D2007-5%3Bcheckout_monthday%3D7%3Bcheckout_year_month%3D2007 | |
| <ant30> -5%3Bcity%3D-402849%3Bclass%3D2%3Bclass%3D3%3Bclass%3D4%3Bclass_interval%3D1%3Bdo_availability_check%3D1%3Boffset%3D0%3Bradius%3D5%3Bss_all%3D0%3B&aid=307334&label=gog235jc&sid=cb2d35cfd8c774ee306a0a823407ce5e&order=&addressAddress=&addressCity=&addressZIP=&addressCountry=es&si=ai%2Cco%2Cci%2Cre&ss=Sevilla&checkin_monthday=4&checkin_year_month=2007-5&checkout_monthday=7&checkout_year_month=2007-5&do_availability_check=on&class=2&class=3&class=4&rad | |
| <ant30> ius=2 | |
| <ant30> sorry, very long link | |
| <ant30> at booking.com you can see Hotel available for the date at event with the price of rooms | |
| <GatoLoko> ant30 he must be bussy, if you want him to read something better call him, and even better make a recopilation first, and then give it to him as a wole | |
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| <imbrandon> doh | |
| <pochu> imbrandon: not now ;) | |
| <imbrandon> nixternal, when you see jono again politely ask him to poke me | |
| <nixternal> roger | |
| <pochu> Burgwork: compiz bugs when you can :-) |