<z-tau> anyone here?
* cafuego_ snores
<siccness> im here
<siccness> but barely
<praetorian> im here
<praetorian> but not bare
<siccness> heheh
<praetorian> next
<praetorian> paycheck balances
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<siccness> damn it, broke the fence :(
<cps> siccness: how did you manage that?
* elkbuntu will laugh if it involves a vehicle
<siccness> cps: cricket bowling
<siccness> bowled beyond 200kmph+ for sure (j/k) but it was quick enough to snap a plank of the fence in half and flying back into the neighbours yard
<cps> so they fence couldn't take your onslaught
<siccness> Yup
<cps> seems like one of those bitter-sweet moments
<siccness> dont you hate it when you buy a crapload of meat from the butcher
<siccness> to find all of it is shit
<cps> all the same kind of meat
<cps> *?
<siccness> different
<cps> what was wrong with it?
<siccness> the steak was impossible to cut
<siccness> so the steak is all different widths
<siccness> so when i go to cook it
<siccness> half will be rare, the other half will be medium
<cps> that's all right if you are catering for people of different tastes
<siccness> yes but im catering for myself and myself only.
<siccness> I want the whole damn thing rare
<siccness> ahh well, :|
<Tatey> "emacs is an excellent OS, it just needs a good text editor" lol
<siccness> Tatey: Heh
<ginnus> 'ello
<siccness> G'day mate.
<praetorian> a glass thanks
<ginnus> only if it's full 'o merlot
<praetorian> oh
<praetorian> i thought you were bringing Guiness
<ginnus> lol
<praetorian> ginnus guiness
<ginnus> yes it was a hurried bastardry that stuck ..
<ginnus> *shrug* not realy fussed on burnt beer ...
<siccness> guiness is rat shit
<siccness> VB is what all should drunk :)
<praetorian> ive never tried it
<siccness> Try it
<praetorian> i just drink scotch and coke
<praetorian> um
<ginnus> scotch and water ..
<ginnus> or merlot
<ginnus> so fellow tipplers ..
<praetorian> siccness, you just lost 10 points of rating
<praetorian> karma
<praetorian> whatever you want to call it
<praetorian> VB is horse piss.
<siccness> lol
<siccness> Trust me mate, I never lose points.
<siccness> I'm always right
<siccness> :)
<praetorian> sure sure
<ginnus> after much poorly aimed googling ... I've failed to find out how to get a list of installed packages on my newly commisioned ubuntu server box ..
<ginnus> I only have ssh access to the sun lump of ____ so its a cli thing ..
<praetorian> dpkg -l
<praetorian> iirc
<praetorian> been along time since i used apt
<ginnus> realy ... I thought i tried that ... brb.
<praetorian> probably might even be an easy way
<praetorian> easier
* praetorian ssh to debian box
<praetorian> yep, dpkg -l
<ginnus> ah shite .. thank you it worked .. I must have done something wrong the last time ..
<siccness> Been a while since I used Debian, and/or Debian based
<Tatey^2> siccness prefers to use nub-based distro's
<ginnus> its one of the few that offer linux for sparc
<praetorian> siccness: i have a debian vps that i remember exists every x days
<praetorian> or every wordpress update
<praetorian> so some times that can be every x minutes
<praetorian> given the security of wordpress
<siccness> Yep, but atleast my distribution is specifically designed for treating the end-user properly. There's this distribution called "Arch" linux which has treated its users so poorly by using 'call-home' software that actually tracks the users data and forwards any innapropriateness found to the corresponding agency.
<siccness> Expect a call from the Federal police oh so soon Tatey^2 :D
<ginnus> eww.. i'll avoid that one then ..
<siccness> Yeah
<siccness> You really should.
<ginnus> what do they call that ... from trusted computing to enforced ethical computing ..
<praetorian> yeah
<praetorian> everyone needs to use gentoo
<TheMuso> siccness: I don't believe that.
<praetorian> either do i :P
<siccness> lol
<siccness> TheMuso: its completely false
<siccness> but
<praetorian> Could not connect to mouth.voxel.net:80 (69.9.180.118), connection timed out
<praetorian> damn you mouth.voxel.net
<siccness> tatey and i like to humiliate each others distribution of choice
<praetorian> humilate Hit3k's distro of choice
<praetorian> its not hard
<praetorian> its windows
<praetorian> :~
<siccness> slack
<siccness> or win?
<Tatey^2> everyone DOESN'T need to use Gento
<Tatey^2> *Gentoo
<harrisony> slackware == hmm, gentoo == ok ubuntu == 1 thing wrong :)
<ginnus> some people use suse or so I've been told ..
<siccness> suse sucks
<ginnus> *evil grin*
<ginnus> beats windows ..
<siccness> thats just my opinion tho
<harrisony> rpm ==badddddd (dont know why, someone just said_
<ginnus> but then dos beats windows
<siccness> each to their own
<ginnus> lol...
<siccness> im not sure what people talk about when they say rpm sucks, i just know everytime i use an RPM based distro i can barely ever install shit correctly
<harrisony> i know yum is stuffe
<harrisony> d
<TheMuso> Heh. Who couldn't see Wild I&T's demise coming?
<ginnus> well I suppose after your kind help I should go use my new dpkg list to figure out my new box ...
<siccness> i usually receive some rediculous error that takes 4hrs to fix
<ginnus> thankyou muchly gents ..
<siccness> ginnus: :)
<ginnus> *wave*
<siccness> you're quite welcome to stay
<siccness> because
<siccness> if you leave, the channel will go back to idling
<purserj> TheMuso: and in other news PlanetDomain has been bought out
<ginnus> i might just loiter a bit ...
<ginnus> I may find further questions ... lol
<TheMuso> purserj: So?
<purserj> Well they are/were who I had the domain reseller account with
<purserj> Just venting really
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<TheMuso> oh ok
<adhok> evenen all =)
<siccness> Evening
<adhok> hey siccness
<adhok> how be you mate?
<siccness> how be me? well it's rather easy to be me
<adhok> ah indeed
<siccness> but to answer your somewhat poorly structured questio, i'm good mate, yourself? :D
* adhok wonders about the bleedin' obvious...
<adhok> pffffffffffffft
<adhok> poorly structured!
<adhok> i'm fine. been a long hot day
<siccness> I hear ya mate.
<adhok> went to our local LUG this evenen =)
<adhok> joel showed us the OLPC
<adhok> there were a lot of new faces
<siccness> quick question on OLPC
<adhok> siccness: who/where is your local LUG?
<siccness> obviously it's there for child education
<siccness> but would someone who's a little older than what one would consider a 'child' be allowed?
<siccness> for the sole purpose of education.
<adhok> its an interesting and exciting shift in application design
<siccness> my local lug would be the Melbourne one
<adhok> thinking about pairing down the apps to the actual bones of the functionality
<adhok> so LUV ?
<siccness> or vicYeah
<adhok> vicYeah ?
<siccness> poorly structured sentence?
<siccness> :)
<siccness> Yeah, i'm not sure.
<adhok> hehehe
<siccness> I'd like to get involved in a LUG group
<siccness> but
<siccness> I'm not really sure how to go about it, and I'm not a confident man. I'd need someone to attend with me
<cafuego_> siccness: Just turn up, you'll be fine.
<Phlosten> evening all
<cafuego_> siccness: In regards to the OLPC, if you order 1,000,000 they don't care what age you are.
<purserj> siccness: cafuego_ is part of LUV, he should be able to help out
* cafuego_ is just a member, you have no direct evidence that I support the presidents drinking habit.
<adhok> AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!
<cafuego_> adhok: bless you
* purserj refuses to make comment on the LUV presidents drinking pro... habits
<adhok> i don't think you are taking this in the spirit it was intended!
<adhok> pah!
<adhok> you guys have such short memories
<cafuego_> yeah, something about alcohol abuse that seems to just kill the brain cells
<adhok> or you were all getting more miles up on your own drinking pro ... habites
<purserj> sorry, I've only had three bottles tonight
* cafuego_ has had none :-(
* adhok finishes of first tallie
<purserj> tallie - ho?
<cafuego_> purserj: I'm afraid you're the only smoker
<adhok> tallie == long neck
<purserj> ahhh
<cafuego_> adhok: is that crazy adelaide-speak?
<adhok> prolly
<adhok> does anyone know about this iBurst internet thingy?
<purserj> evil_steve does I believe
<adhok> ah yes, he be the one supplying a modem for barcamp
<purserj> ah
<adhok> we are currently internet-less at barcampadelaide
<lucychili> http://www.iburst.com.au/?file=/uploaded/Adelaide.gif
<adhok> their site sucks
<cafuego_> evil_steve *is* awake
<cafuego_> hiding on #linux.conf.au
<adhok> pfft thats not a coverage
<cafuego_> adhok: airstream it
<cafuego_> adhok: Borrow a couple of 2m dishes
<cafuego_> and fry whoever gets in the way ;-)
<adhok> yeah
<adhok> thats an option if we had a 100M mast
<adhok> there is a little mountain range in the way
<merlin-linux> evening all
<adhok> i wonder how they put this map together ...
<adhok> spot of war driving?
<merlin-linux> adhok: huh?
<adhok> merlin-linux: looking at iburst for internets
<adhok> coverage in adelaide is pretty slim
<merlin-linux> oh blah
<adhok> mate in sydney has it and we used it at the LCA
<adhok> coverage was patch there too =/
<adhok> was good through put before 9am and carp until about midnight
<merlin-linux> iburst is for mobile fones?
<adhok> no, wireless internets
<adhok> 3.5GHz - IIRR
<adhok> its not an ISM band
<merlin-linux> ok
<adhok> its licenced to commercial providers
<adhok> think TV kind of broadcast mode;
<adhok> model
<cafuego_> adhok: packet radio! shortwave!
<adhok> i have thought about this
<adhok> i can't get my foundation licence fast enough =/
<cafuego_> bdale will love you
<adhok> i wnat to get into packet anyway
<cafuego_> hmm, i know someone here with a licence
<siccness> Hey cafuego_
<cafuego_> she spoke with MIR
<cafuego_> siccness: yo
<Hit3k> <praetorian> humilate Hit3k's distro of choice
<Hit3k> <praetorian> its not hard
<Hit3k> <praetorian> its windows
<Hit3k> what?
<siccness> burned
<adhok> Hit3k: does your window manage have windows?
<Hit3k> window manager? gnome? yes :p
<cafuego_> siccness: what's up?
<adhok> dialog boxes? or buttons perhaps?
<siccness> cafuego_: bugger all mate, yourself?
<Hit3k> Dialog Boxes? adhok why...
<cafuego_> siccness: Oh, just browsing for lighthouse photos in fspot
<siccness> cafuego_: iirc, you provided me with assistance on subnetting, correct?
<cafuego_> siccness/24 indeed
<siccness> heheh
<siccness> would you be able to assist me sometime later this month or next month?
<cafuego_> i expect so
<Hit3k> goodnight australia!
<cafuego_> well, put it this way, i can try
<siccness> it wont take longer than a normal conversation, ill just need a method of understanding how to do things, ill write it up and learn it
<adhok> hehehe
<adhok> definition; subnetting, the art of making your life easier by cutting networks into smaller, more managable pieces
<elkbuntu> http://bash.org/?727758 <-- i like this guy's logic
<siccness> yea
<siccness> adhok: i know the purpose of it
<cafuego_> siccness: *nod*
<adhok> elkbuntu: slow night huh?
<elkbuntu> adhok, my brain has gone on a hiatus
<siccness> elkbuntu: lol, i hear ya :)
<siccness> it's around that time of year where you're at the point of Kevin Bloody Wilsons DILLIGAF
* adhok steals elkbuntu's idle CPU cycles
* merlin-linux is bombed out
<siccness> <--Has a wedding to attend to on Saturday
<siccness> Best thing about weddings, free beer :D
<adhok> huh? siccness you ... gardening?
<siccness> eh?
* merlin-linux thinks 10 days till barcamp and to much to to do
<adhok> hi Hobbsee
<siccness> adhok: was that some question related to me getting married? if so, no, im not getting married. I'm just attending.
<ginnus> nite all
<siccness> Night mate
<adhok> weeding != wedding
<siccness> big ol' sicc is a lil too young to be tying himself to a ball and chain
<siccness> well luckily i didnt saying weeding.
<adhok> siccness: mate you got plenty of time
<siccness> mind you, ill never get married.
* merlin-linux is going to die a lonely old man :-)
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<siccness> It's the only way, merlin-linux
<Hobbsee> hiya adhok
<adhok> being a lonely geezer is over rated
<merlin-linux> siccness: yeah i been there and done it all before
<lucychili> http://tools.waglo.com/hotw/barcamp
<siccness> See, let the wise siccness explain something to you all. Women are fantastic. For a day. Any longer, they get to that stage of "why are you still here?"
<merlin-linux> i have a daughter out of it all
<siccness> Then again, my ability to hold a conversation with a female is about as short as a Windows ME uptime.
<merlin-linux> siccness: lmao
<merlin-linux> siccness: funny thing is i agree with your philosophy
<siccness> well like i said, i am wise.
<siccness> moreso than einstein
<merlin-linux> hehe
<merlin-linux> now you are just getting cocky
<siccness> Hi, I'm siccness. :)
<adhok> way cool, hack your way to soundcard based packet radio!
<adhok> http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=13803
<siccness> that is pretty damn cool
<adhok> it is?
<siccness> no idea
<siccness> i need to play around with ACLs
<adhok> right now i could do with some internet bandwidth ...
<siccness> adhok: you know a lot about linux sys administration, are ACLs important?
<adhok> i must be capped or summat
<adhok> yes
<elkbuntu> adhoc, i've had that feeling for the past couple days. general browsing as been sluggish :(
<elkbuntu> however im certain we're not capped. nobody here does anything to suck 20gb
<adhok> huh
<adhok> elkbuntu: you'd be surprised
<adhok> i let rtorrent go mad
<adhok> maybe i slurped 8gb =(
<elkbuntu> adhoc, by 'here' i mean this household
<adhok> movies from LCA mostly
<adhok> elkbuntu: i understand
<elkbuntu> adhoc, they're on 'node now, thanks to shenki
<siccness> i check my download limit daily with my bigpondusage.sh script :)
<adhok> node rocks =)
<adhok> siccness: pfffffffffft
<adhok> i should setup something like that too
<siccness> hey! don't knock the only worthy thing ive ever created in bash :P
* adhok needs mid digit extraction
<adhok> siccness: =D
<siccness> We found out our BASH assignment today
<siccness> You would not believe how easy it is
<adhok> siccness: yess?
<elkbuntu> siccness, you go to TAFE, right?
<siccness> it's basically "cat /var/log/messages"
<siccness> elkbuntu: yea
<elkbuntu> then yeah, i'd believe it's easy
<siccness> elkbuntu: it's all well and good to assume such
<siccness> but
<adhok> siccness: i should show you some of the bash one liners i hack up on the mailman/ldap server =)
<siccness> it's not what I'd consider /fair/
<elkbuntu> siccness, my statement stands
<siccness> That's fine. I just disagree.
<elkbuntu> TAFE doesnt run courses, they run 2yr long games.
<adhok> at uni i had to write cat /var/log/messages in asm
<siccness> adhok: lol
<adhok> 6809 assembler
<siccness> Configuring a CISCO router isn't what I'd consider a 'game'
<siccness> We had no documentation on how to use it
<adhok> hacked up a floppy drive to a dual way latching thingy on the bus
<elkbuntu> adhoc, and of course your teacher told you how he had do it in binary in his day, right?
<purserj> Punch cards elkbuntu punch cards
<siccness> LOL
<elkbuntu> riiight
<siccness> purserj: ahh the good ol' days :D
<siccness> I still remember using BBS with my old man
<siccness> 4 or so years old, askin him to get games
<siccness> ahh how so much has changed.
<elkbuntu> purserj, i beg forgiveness, especially considering the oldest hardware i've physically seen is an old telstra drum
<elkbuntu> s/telstra/telecom/
* adhok hacked a 1/2 inch tape drive to work on his linux box in 1994
<adhok> the paper tape reader from the 11/30 took longer ...
<siccness> Damn you people are old :P
<adhok> siccness: started early
<siccness> in computing? or linux?
<adhok> yes
<elkbuntu> the only decent tafe teacher i had used to do IT Admin for telecom, and he hoarded some old bashed-in-for-security drums from like 20+ years ago
<siccness> yes? yes for what?
<siccness> elkbuntu: I've got a great new set of tafe teachers
<adhok> siccness: i am older than you and been using linux since 1993
<siccness> I got one who's knowledge on computers is extremely broad and in-depth
<siccness> i got another one who has 20,000 certs
<siccness> and well, the rest are duds
<elkbuntu> 20k certs. sure.
<adhok> thgats how much he spent right?
<siccness> hyperbole, but the point remains.
<adhok> you have to pay for certs right...
<elkbuntu> bah. dont use english terminology with me after 5pm
<siccness> hyperbole = wild exaggeration
<elkbuntu> aha
* elkbuntu barely scraped past HSC english. would have been moderate if the essay question hadn't been written by a drunk, stoned, braindamaged quadruple amputee
<siccness> Schools stupid
<adhok> siccness: use "out of touch with reality"
<siccness> I had decided I wanted to be in the I.T field since I was about 10 years old. Why should I be forced to learn accounting, science and other un-related bullshit just because they think I might change my mind.
<adhok> siccness: you're lucky i had no idea about what i wanted to do
* adhok is here by chance
<siccness> Ahh fair enough
<siccness> I've just always loved computers
<adhok> i finished year 12 and drifted
<adhok> siccness: me too, but ...
<elkbuntu> heh. i left highschool to do environmental science at uni and tafe for the next 3 years -- unsuccessfully
<purserj> I didn't even finish highschool
* adhok has always loved computers and cars and bikes and electronics and maps and ...
<elkbuntu> then a school project involved making a website, so i taught myself html one saturday since nobody in the class had a clue
<siccness> I've always loved cars myself, just never knew enough about them to have any form of career in them
<elkbuntu> and yeah well.. computers sort of took over
<siccness> I'd love to be able to rebuild a motor
<adhok> damn it!
<adhok> you guys have a direction!
* adhok needs a direction!
<elkbuntu> adhok, i do?
<adhok> elkbuntu: um ...
<siccness> I'd be reluctant to call it a direction
<adhok> probably
<siccness> Computers are so broad
<adhok> damn .. i was on a roll there
<adhok> stop shooting me down in flames like that =/
<elkbuntu> adhok, does blindly following a faint distant light count as 'direction'?
<siccness> I want to become a system admin, just so I can go back to high school and tell the teacher who said I never had a chance
<adhok> elkbuntu: yeah ... maybe ... no
<elkbuntu> adhok, im in your club dude
<purserj> adhok has a club?
<purserj> adhok: you want a challange? Have a look in the pacific, look at what they're doing with wireless
<siccness> purserj: whens the next cast?
<purserj> siccness: a week tomorrow
<siccness> whats on the schedule?
<purserj> I was thinking of another round table
<purserj> This time looking at Graphics Doods
<siccness> ill tune in
<purserj> cool
<purserj> If we can get streaming that is
<siccness> heh
<elkbuntu> my goodness. he's proliferating
<siccness> elkbuntu: 5pm dear.
<elkbuntu> siccness, it's called 'payback'
<siccness> heh
<elkbuntu> you used damn english terminology before. you deserve a proper word now
<siccness> haha
<elkbuntu> pro = positive, lif = life, erat = random crap to make it seem like a word, ing = action
<elkbuntu> basically, multiplying
<siccness> lol
<elkbuntu> like teh bunny rabbits
<siccness> I can see how cutting them into sections makes it more logical
<elkbuntu> yes, cutting rabbits into sections does make logical sense ;)
<elkbuntu> especially the chocolate ones
<siccness> lol
<siccness> chocolate is terrible
<siccness> unless it's cadbury
<siccness> that's some pimp chocolate
<elkbuntu> yeah.. too true. 'willow' is the brand of the el cheapo chocolate eggs that occur in this area at this time of the year. it's oversweet and a tad nutty
<siccness> yeah, they really do put out easter eggs and what not bloody early
<elkbuntu> siccness, it starts *on* NYE
<siccness> Exactly. It's pathetic.
<elkbuntu> indeed
<elkbuntu> but hey, i am appreciative for the extended Cadbury Creme Egg purchasing window
<siccness> the best eggs are those small (not the really small ones) cadbury ones
<siccness> the ones which are about the actual size of an egg
<elkbuntu> the 25g ones? yeah
<elkbuntu> i like to get a big egg and smash it into a bowl and put it in the fridge
<siccness> getting a big egg is just good for anger management
<elkbuntu> cold chocolate shards > *
<Hobbsee> elkbuntu: wrong. not NYE - the day after boxing day, here.
<Hobbsee> and that's only because we're not open on boxing day.
<Hobbsee> might have delayed to NYE where you are, though
<elkbuntu> Hobbsee, well, it was a few years ago since i worked at coles, but that's when it happened back then. wouldnt surprise me if it's been bumped forward now
<Hobbsee> heh
<MatthewV> haha
<MatthewV> what am i laughing at?
<Hobbsee> yourself
<MatthewV> Hobbsee, thanks :)
<MatthewV> how are we all tonight?
<Hobbsee> sleepy
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<pschulz01_> Morning.. doesn anyone know of a tool to convert autocad (dxf) to svg?
<praetorian> dxf2svg
<pschulz01_> praetorian: package?
<praetorian> no idea
<praetorian> i just googled dxf2svg and it exists
<pschulz01_> praetorian: Not a package in edgy repositories.
<pschulz01_> praetorian: Im printing to 'ps' and then seeing if I can import that in to inkscape.
<praetorian> k
<pschulz01_> praetorian: Hmm.. you might be onto something.. my method didn't work.
<cafuego_> dxf2svg.sf.net
<cafuego_> Except they have no actual software yet
<cafuego_> dxf2svg-inkscape does
<pschulz01_> cafuego_: I saw that.. why do people insist on using 'zip'
<cafuego_> pschulz01_: clearer to OSX users?
<cafuego_> windows weenies?
<adhok_> zip is dos land man!
<pschulz01_> cafuego_: praetorian: ... and its corrupt!
<cafuego_> hehe, oh the joy
<pschulz01_> Time to ask on #ubuntu

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