| <effie_jayx> but jono has been keen on trying to solve the ubuntu-es sit | |
| <Yann2> alex_muntada > you're skipping the fact that ubuntu-es has been used for 2 years now for other purposes ;) even if ideally it would be that way... | |
| <effie_jayx> jenda had a piece of it too... | |
| <effie_jayx> to bad hee's away | |
| <looksaus> I say let at least some chaos exist | |
| <alex_muntada> Yann2: you're right, I guess we cannot start naming from scratch :( | |
| <looksaus> if there's to be any collaboration between teams of volunteers, it will grow out of good will, like what is growing between ubuntu-be.org and ubuntu-nl.org | |
| <Yann2> same here | |
| <looksaus> (and what also exists to a certain extent with ubuntu-fr.org) | |
| <Yann2> but markvanderboor is a nice guy, it's easy :p | |
| <Yann2> it's true that it's quite tricky, in fact fr stands for fr_FR (locale) but also for fr (country) :] | |
| <Yann2> ubuntu-fr_FR.org :] | |
| <alex_muntada> Yann2: ubuntu-france.org for country and ubuntu-fr for language? | |
| <alex_muntada> but just if French people feel the need for a country team | |
| <alex_muntada> I guess that you've been using ubuntu-fr.org for some time | |
| <alex_muntada> in catalan ("ca" code in ISO-639-1) there's a naming conflict with Canada ("ca" country code) | |
| <xatuser> there is a problem with location and language | |
| <alex_muntada> so we use "cat" from ISO-639-2 and the .cat TLD | |
| <Yann2> there is no ubuntu-france.org yet | |
| <looksaus> alex_muntada, I only dropped in halfway the discussion | |
| <looksaus> but I wonder what problem you are trying to solve | |
| <alex_muntada> looksaus: the issue is ubuntu-es right now | |
| <alex_muntada> "es" meaning Spain country and Spanish language at the same time | |
| <looksaus> ok, what's the problem exactly? | |
| <alex_muntada> but that naming conflict happens with other LoCo teams | |
| <looksaus> please explain what's the problem with -es? | |
| <alex_muntada> currently ubuntu-es includes all people speaking Spanish around the globe | |
| <looksaus> yes... | |
| <alex_muntada> and that's not a local community | |
| <alex_muntada> local meaning "near" | |
| <looksaus> I'm still hoping you will explain me about a _problem_ | |
| <GatoLoko> the "spanish as from spain" team needs a name too | |
| <looksaus> but they already have one, as in ubuntu-es.org | |
| <GatoLoko> and following the Ubuntu policy, that name would be "ubuntu-es" | |
| <effie_jayx> a suggestion was | |
| <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-ln-es | |
| <looksaus> it's just something dual purpose | |
| <GatoLoko> that's the problem | |
| <effie_jayx> ln as in language | |
| <looksaus> why is that a problem? | |
| <effie_jayx> jenda mentioned at the meeting | |
| <looksaus> if it's clearly stated? | |
| <Yann2> alex_muntada > ubuntu-de is for german speaking, ubuntu-fr for french speaking... | |
| <Yann2> just ask ubuntu-es guys what they think would fit | |
| <Yann2> you may come to an arrangement | |
| <looksaus> alex_muntada, where is the problem? | |
| <alex_muntada> looksaus: GatoLoko explained that above, didn't he? | |
| <looksaus> no, he described a situation in which | |
| <looksaus> I fail to se a problem per se | |
| <looksaus> if ubuntu-es.org describes its mission statement accurately as | |
| <alex_muntada> well, I guess that people from Spain want to have their own local community and the name is already taken | |
| <looksaus> but they _have_ their own local community, | |
| <looksaus> or doesn't ubuntu-es.org also function as | |
| <alex_muntada> not local, language community, which isn't the same thing | |
| <looksaus> a local community for Spain too? | |
| <Yann2> I also think links between a language community and its "sub" communities is an interesting debate | |
| <Yann2> i've been thinking about it a lot these last weeks | |
| <looksaus> alex_muntada, depends on the _mission statement_ of ubuntu-es.org | |
| <GatoLoko> looksaus ubuntu-es.org acts as an international forum, not as a loco | |
| <alex_muntada> Yann2: agreed | |
| <looksaus> ah, then change the mission statement for ubuntu-es.org | |
| <GatoLoko> and not as a "Spanish" loco | |
| <looksaus> there's lots to be said for that | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, the local community aspect is drowned by the language aspect, especially considering latin americans use the resources | |
| <Yann2> i came across the idea that a map showing the ubuntu-fr "territory" and all the smallest _local_ communities would fit | |
| <alex_muntada> looksaus: ubuntu-es is not a LoCo team in the local community sense, since it's spread worldwide | |
| <Yann2> somewhere on the frontpage, entitled "ubuntu @ home" for some good visilbity :) | |
| <looksaus> ok, then ask the ubuntu-es.org folks to clearly define those two goals as part of the team? | |
| <looksaus> be a part of it more prominently | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, it's not that simple | |
| <looksaus> ah, what more problems are there then? | |
| <Yann2> i don't know these guys but i'd try to work with them... they don't gain any monney from ubuntu-es.org, they may just be trying to do their best | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, because it is more than just the spanish people running the team. what do you do with the others? | |
| <Yann2> plus I bet most of them are spanish :] | |
| <looksaus> elkbuntu, the entire spanish speaking world has its place under one part of the ubuntu-es.org umbrella | |
| <alex_muntada> Yann2: I won't bet ;) | |
| <looksaus> and the entire spanish geographical world has its place under another | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, there's only so much that can fit under a single umbrella | |
| <elkbuntu> currently there's alot of people getting wet | |
| <looksaus> getting wet ==? | |
| <elkbuntu> rained on, not covered, or squeezed out | |
| <looksaus> elkbuntu, it does work really well for Belgium/Holland/France that way | |
| <looksaus> where the situation is similar | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, which are far smaller communities | |
| <Yann2> I think having only one spanish speaking forum, one spanish speaking wiki would be better than more... es is the language code for spanish, right? then I think it may fit for a spanish speaking "locoteam"... and it should give some visibilité to ubuntu-br, ubuntu-spain, and so on | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, the fact is it is *not* working for es | |
| <looksaus> I'm really trying to do my best to see where it is not working | |
| <GatoLoko> Yann2 es is the country code for spain too | |
| <looksaus> is it a people problem? | |
| <elkbuntu> currently, from what information has been fed through to me, it is the spanish locals that are missing out | |
| <Yann2> looksaus > looks that way :p | |
| <looksaus> elkbuntu, like, the galicians, asturians, catalans, basque? | |
| <looksaus> or spanish people in general? | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, the spanish local community | |
| <looksaus> ok, do I understand this right: | |
| <elkbuntu> i'd really love for an actual spaniard to step up and correct me if i'm wrong | |
| <alex_muntada> looksaus: spanish people speaking spanish | |
| <looksaus> spanish speaking south american and other nations people are in charge at ubuntu-es.org | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, a combination | |
| <elkbuntu> afaik | |
| <GatoLoko> elkbuntu i'm one of the spanish local community, but the last meeting with Jono is previous to our creation, we don't know how this started | |
| <looksaus> and and they refuse to give a little room within ubuntu-es.org | |
| <looksaus> to do local activities within spain? | |
| <looksaus> is that the problem? | |
| <GatoLoko> no, that's not the problem | |
| <GatoLoko> they offered that space | |
| <looksaus> ok... | |
| <GatoLoko> as far as i know, there was a meeting to "solve ubuntu-es problems" that nobody know about | |
| <GatoLoko> 2 weeks ago | |
| <Yann2> take it ^^ spanish users are on ubuntu-es.org anyway - you get visibility and a good start for your locoteam | |
| <elkbuntu> GatoLoko, i certainly did not | |
| <GatoLoko> then one of the points that Jono talked about was the naming of a spanish as from spain team | |
| <Yann2> well, anyway, we now have jono for this kind of problems, so i won't step further in ;) | |
| <GatoLoko> but nobody knows where this started | |
| <Yann2> I wish you good luck, and please let me know about the solutions, i'd be interested :) | |
| <looksaus> I'm really intrigued by who is defining what as a problem here | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, I know how it started | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, the op in #ubuntu-es P3l1cano | |
| <alex_muntada> effie_jayx: please, explain | |
| <effie_jayx> is the spanish Seveas :D | |
| <Yann2> I don't see the whole point in having ubuntu-spain instead of ubuntu-es, i don't find it thaaaat bad :] | |
| <effie_jayx> and he is has received a lot of critisim | |
| <Yann2> what about Seveas ? ^^ | |
| <effie_jayx> people say he is very arrogant and not doing his job right | |
| <effie_jayx> that's what people say | |
| <GatoLoko> effie_jayx i know of some people that has troubles with P3l1cano (including me) but i don't know what you are talking about | |
| <effie_jayx> I don't know his work | |
| <effie_jayx> well | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, let me finish | |
| <effie_jayx> then | |
| <GatoLoko> ok | |
| <effie_jayx> a whole bunch of #ubuntu-es people wanted to do a #ubuntu-es 2 | |
| <effie_jayx> and have a new op and stuff. | |
| <effie_jayx> I adviced against it | |
| <Yann2> it seems it's more about people than the only naming issue :p | |
| <effie_jayx> and then they came to this channel | |
| <effie_jayx> and they even sent an email of complaints for Pelicano to Jenda and Jono | |
| <elkbuntu> .. why jenda? | |
| <effie_jayx> they just wanted another spanish channel altogether... | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, beats me ... | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, jenda moderated the first meeting and all | |
| <elkbuntu> ah, probably why | |
| <effie_jayx> well | |
| <effie_jayx> then | |
| <effie_jayx> jono came in | |
| <effie_jayx> and ask for the op to step in | |
| <effie_jayx> and asked if that channel belong to the Spanish LoCo team | |
| <effie_jayx> some people from the spanish loCo were there and explained that the channel belong tho the spanish speaking community | |
| <effie_jayx> and that they had started the channel long befor the loCo project came... | |
| <effie_jayx> so first come ... first served... | |
| <Yann2> effie_jayx > so the real problem is the governance of ubuntu-es | |
| <effie_jayx> and Jono then suggested that the Op issue was second and that the channel belong to the spanish team... | |
| <Yann2> not that spanish-speaking/spanish thing, is it? | |
| <effie_jayx> Yann2, probably yes | |
| <JanC> it could be a channel for both... | |
| <effie_jayx> Yann2, wait don't jump to conclusions yet | |
| <Yann2> it was a question :) | |
| <effie_jayx> let us get here | |
| <effie_jayx> ok ... so then the battle became worts | |
| <Yann2> (btw, do this guy speak english? he could discuss that with us here) | |
| <effie_jayx> because the whole channel was against the idea of loosing #ubuntu-es | |
| <effie_jayx> I'll invite him over | |
| <effie_jayx> many latin americans benefit from that channel | |
| <effie_jayx> and after all it was a spanish speaking support channel | |
| <effie_jayx> it was registered so in launchpad... and even the official ubuntu book calls it a spanish speaking support channel | |
| <effie_jayx> so it went | |
| <effie_jayx> from a complaint about an op | |
| <effie_jayx> to a cc or no cc chanel distribution dispute... | |
| <effie_jayx> did that make sense? | |
| <pochu> hi all again! | |
| <looksaus> effie_jayx, thx for the explanation | |
| <pochu> I've just read you, effie_jayx :) | |
| <looksaus> always nice to keep in the back of my mind when working with the rest of our local volunteer team, and neighbouring teams | |
| <pochu> and I want to say just one thing :) | |
| <pochu> the admininstration of ubuntu-es is no longer a problem | |
| <effie_jayx> the meeting was terrible ... people arguing in Spanish and Jono and jenda got lost in translation quite a few times | |
| <pochu> for those who speak spanish... www.ubuntu-es.org | |
| <Yann2> do you mean the spanish speaking or the spanish locoteam now? ^^ | |
| <looksaus> :) | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: yeah, you're right | |
| <pochu> Yann2: the spanish speaking | |
| <Yann2> ok :p | |
| <GatoLoko> the spanis locoteam has no problem! we are younger that this problem | |
| <GatoLoko> we only are waiting to see what happen | |
| <GatoLoko> xD | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: of course :) I said the spanish speaking community | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: :) | |
| <looksaus> pochu, so what was the solution that came out? | |
| <looksaus> (reading the ubuntu-es.org site) | |
| <pochu> looksaus: the problem was that there were 3 admins, and there were very little active. But now they have steped down, and there is a new team, with their help | |
| <pochu> looksaus: sure, read there :) | |
| <JanC> that sounds good | |
| <effie_jayx> looksaus, there is no solution yet... the whole #ubuntu-es is figuring out a solution... with jono leading the talk | |
| <pochu> sure, the team name is still a problem | |
| <effie_jayx> but ... I am confident that with the new LoCo in spain... the solution will come easy... | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, ;) | |
| <GatoLoko> i think the same | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx, GatoLoko: what do you think would the best solution would be? | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, If I had my way... I would let The Spanish LoCo team decide if they want the cc code back | |
| <GatoLoko> the spainteam want to cooperate, we think that, for some things we can share and work together, but we need a name | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <GatoLoko> if de CC is used, we want to know what we can use | |
| <JanC> can't you use the same? | |
| <pochu> JanC: I think not | |
| <GatoLoko> for some things yes, but for some no | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: of course, we also want the best solution for everybody :) | |
| <looksaus> obviously... | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, jono will ask if you want it... | |
| <looksaus> starting from the ubuntu-es.org umbrella might be a good thing though | |
| <GatoLoko> we want our own channel so we can talk about things that can't be of interes to the international community, like installfest and local events, without being interfered | |
| <looksaus> in the light of amassing critical mass | |
| <JanC> well, it's the way that ubuntu-nl & ubuntu-fr work currently... | |
| <GatoLoko> and without intefering other people | |
| <looksaus> ah, you're only talking irc channel right now? | |
| <GatoLoko> for support we can share the ubuntu-es channel | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: I agree, but here is the same problem: what channel for the spain team, and which for the spanish speaking community? | |
| <JanC> #ubuntu-es-spain ? | |
| <GatoLoko> and the forums too | |
| <GatoLoko> JanC thats a provisional channel | |
| <pochu> looksaus: the channel, the webpage, the team name... | |
| <GatoLoko> until we know what to do | |
| <JanC> you could make ubuntu-es some sort of a portal | |
| <looksaus> where is the mission statement for ubuntu-es? | |
| <looksaus> is there one? | |
| <pochu> looksaus: sure | |
| <looksaus> decent EN translation? | |
| <pochu> there we have the support forums, for example | |
| <pochu> it's better to have a common forums, IMO :) | |
| <looksaus> these should be shared, obviously | |
| <looksaus> to the benefit of everyone, indeed | |
| <looksaus> and with a spain specific section | |
| <looksaus> for typical spanish problems like online banking in spain? | |
| <looksaus> lots of "road signs" in all electronic media could also help | |
| <looksaus> a line in the subject of the irc channel | |
| <looksaus> "for local activities within Spain, please go to #ubuntu-es-españa | |
| <looksaus> " | |
| <looksaus> for example | |
| <looksaus> pochu, does that make sense to you? | |
| <pochu> looksaus: sure, if the SpainTeam agrees | |
| <JanC> hm, elkbuntu just wrote an interesting wiki page :) | |
| <pochu> looksaus: but I think the SpainTeam would like to have their own webpage | |
| <pochu> JanC: which one? :) | |
| <looksaus> pochu, for local things within Spain, you mean? | |
| <JanC> LocoReview | |
| <pochu> looksaus: sure | |
| <pochu> JanC: looking :) | |
| <looksaus> that does seem to make sense, for as far as it is heavily linked from/to ubuntu-es.org... | |
| <JanC> would something like spain.ubuntu-es.org do? | |
| <JanC> with links of course | |
| <looksaus> as an outsider, that looks like a great idea to me | |
| <pochu> JanC: sure. We have also thought in make a redirects if the local teams (spain, argentina...) wants | |
| <pochu> but the problem is directly with the "ubuntu-es" name | |
| <looksaus> ? | |
| <pochu> because the current policy says that should be for Spain | |
| <pochu> but it isn't | |
| <looksaus> which policy | |
| <looksaus> ? | |
| <looksaus> made by whom? | |
| <JanC> ubuntu-es could be just a portal that links to other sites | |
| <pochu> however, ubuntu-es has been a spanish speaking community for 3 years, more or less | |
| <pochu> looksaus: the LoCo policy | |
| <looksaus> ah, but that has changed then | |
| <pochu> JanC: but I think we _need_ a worldwide community in spanish | |
| <looksaus> since last november | |
| <pochu> looksaus: link? | |
| <JanC> pochu: of course | |
| <looksaus> pochu, talks with jono and other locoteam people at the Ubuntu developer summit in Mountain View | |
| <pochu> JanC: like ubuntuforums.org and the english locos... for example :) | |
| <pochu> looksaus: is there a spec, or a wiki page, or something to read more? :) | |
| <looksaus> something historical? | |
| <looksaus> no | |
| <looksaus> I guess you would be pointing me to some official "loco policy document" | |
| <amachu> Seveas: Hi | |
| <looksaus> ;) | |
| <looksaus> pochu, is there one? | |
| <pochu> mmm | |
| <pochu> not sure :) | |
| <pochu> one moment | |
| <looksaus> oh, and a translated mission statement to EN for both es-speaking and es-the-country would also be nice to see | |
| <pochu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto | |
| <pochu> looksaus: ^^ | |
| <pochu> looksaus: for mailing list, irc channel, it says about ubuntu-CC | |
| <looksaus> it also says other things that we don't give a shit about | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, did you get a chance to read elkbuntu presentation? ... it is a great source of info specially if you are getting things shaped in your loCo | |
| <looksaus> as long as this "not giving a shit about" happens in good understanding | |
| <looksaus> not much of a problem | |
| <looksaus> in .be, for example, we have deliberately chosen _not_ to advocate kubuntu or xubuntu prominently | |
| <looksaus> while the text over there says something about | |
| <GatoLoko> effie_jayx i haven't, can you give me a link? | |
| <looksaus> Each LoCo team is intended to support all variants of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu etc. If you want to set up a specific group for a derivative, you should do it as part of an existing ubuntu-* team. | |
| <effie_jayx> yes | |
| <looksaus> anyway, enough talking out of my ass already | |
| <looksaus> good luck, spanish speaking people and people living in Spain | |
| <looksaus> in what promises to be something really exciting | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ES_UbuntuOpenWeek_LoCo_Teams | |
| <effie_jayx> looksaus, :D | |
| <pochu> looksaus: indeed, I agree with that about k|x|ubuntu | |
| <GatoLoko> i'm talking with the spanish people and we agree to use "spain.ubuntu-es.org" as far as we have control over our own contents | |
| <looksaus> great! | |
| <Yann2> that seems like a good decision :) | |
| <pochu> sure :) | |
| <GatoLoko> we can put our forums in spain.ubuntuforums.org | |
| <looksaus> why would you want to do that? | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: or even in ubuntu-es.org/foros | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: whatever you want ;) | |
| <looksaus> I mean, I can understand putting news local to Spain on a separate site | |
| <looksaus> but forums... | |
| <GatoLoko> looksaus not support forums | |
| <looksaus> there's the _huge_ potential of collaboration | |
| <looksaus> and critical mass.. | |
| <looksaus> ah, organisational forums? | |
| <pochu> looksaus: indeed | |
| <looksaus> for local events and things? | |
| <pochu> sure :) | |
| <GatoLoko> that's it | |
| <looksaus> and don't you think that even that | |
| <looksaus> it might be nice to have together with the general language based forums? | |
| <GatoLoko> i don't know, we are talking about that yet | |
| <looksaus> because of the link it gives? | |
| <GatoLoko> ubuntuforums was one of the ideas proposed | |
| <looksaus> like, moving over all the spanish forums there? | |
| <alex_muntada> GatoLoko: I agree with looksaus that using only 1 forum should be enough | |
| <effie_jayx> sounds better | |
| <alex_muntada> you can always start a new topic for local things | |
| <looksaus> it's about pulling in Spanish speaking forum users from Spain | |
| <elkbuntu> JanC, heh. i wrote it then went for a shower... was going to mention it in here when i got back :Þ | |
| <looksaus> a subsection in a forum somewhere might also be interesting | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: good job :) | |
| <alex_muntada> BTW, I like the spain.ubuntu-es.org name | |
| <pochu> maybe a section in the spanish forums for local teams, and there a forum for spain | |
| <pochu> sure, that looks nice :) | |
| <ke|p> :D | |
| <looksaus> definitely | |
| <pipepool> i agree too :) | |
| <looksaus> maybe it could be useful to document possible ways to crosslink between the two as efficiently as possible | |
| <looksaus> if you understand what I mean... | |
| <pochu> we also could create other subdomains for the rest of locos | |
| <looksaus> that could also benefit other countries in similar rather complex situations... | |
| <looksaus> pochu, not sure about what you mean with that? | |
| <pochu> and for those which have their own domain, then redirect the subdomain, or creat a static page with the info and a link | |
| <pochu> looksaus: for argentina, colombia, peru... | |
| <looksaus> in those cases, there's less of a problem right | |
| <pochu> looksaus: other spanish speaking locos | |
| <JanC> elkbuntu: sorry, I watch Loco.* :) | |
| <elkbuntu> JanC, no need to apologise | |
| <pochu> looksaus: yes, because most of them have their own webpage | |
| <pochu> and a different name (than -es) | |
| <looksaus> because the obvious place to go for those countries is ubuntu-countrycode.org | |
| <pochu> looksaus: but doing that we are creating a common place with the local teams | |
| <GatoLoko> pochu the team says that we can give it a try and see what happens | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: ok, that would be fine | |
| <looksaus> pochu, it surely won't hurt | |
| <pochu> looksaus: :) | |
| <looksaus> good night everyone | |
| <GatoLoko> good night looksaus | |
| <pochu> night looksaus :) | |
| <ke|p> good night | |
| <elkbuntu> ok, page emailed to the mailing list now | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <effie_jayx> just so you know... | |
| <effie_jayx> I volunteer to translate the meeting in #ubuntu-es if needed | |
| <elkbuntu> the meeting? | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, yes... | |
| <effie_jayx> 19 UTC #ubuntu-es... Jono said he would be there... | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: have you added yourself to the wiki? | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: that would be fine :) | |
| <effie_jayx> wiki? | |
| <effie_jayx> where? | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: moment | |
| <elkbuntu> what day? | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, that is tomorrow | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: tomorrow, | |
| <effie_jayx> well | |
| <elkbuntu> bah | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: #ubuntu-es | |
| <elkbuntu> i cant attend | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: neither can I :( | |
| <elkbuntu> i hate my timezone :( | |
| <pochu> well, not entireley | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: hehe | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: canadian? | |
| <pochu> australia... | |
| <pochu> hehe | |
| <pochu> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/wiki/doku.php/loco:cambios:reunion_19-2-07 | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: ^^^ | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, I'll breif you in... | |
| <ant30> bye | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, can't find where I have to ad my name | |
| <xatuser> bye | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: Servicio de traductores | |
| <pochu> Si quieres ofrecerte, pon tu nick aquí: | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: ^ | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, gracias | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, de nada ;9 | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: your spanish is really nice! :P | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, indeed | |
| <elkbuntu> pochu, i only know basic words :( | |
| <pochu> elkbuntu: as me with english :) | |
| <elkbuntu> pochu, you know better english than i do spanish | |
| * effie_jayx there goes elkbuntu talking down her spanish | |
| * pochu wants to learn italian :) | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, i use google translator for 99.9% of it! | |
| <GatoLoko> we always have the spanglish | |
| <GatoLoko> xD | |
| <GatoLoko> it can serve to laugh awhile | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: hehe :) | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, where in spain are you? | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, and you? | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: murcia :) | |
| <GatoLoko> effie_jayx i'm from sevilla | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: you will be at the ubucon, right? :) | |
| <GatoLoko> may be, that depends of my work | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: the ubucon is on sunday :) | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: not the uds | |
| <GatoLoko> i work on sunday too | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: :S | |
| <GatoLoko> you know, that's something that I can't solve | |
| <GatoLoko> if I have enoung free time i will assist | |
| <pochu> I'm not sure also if I would be able to be there | |
| <pochu> but I'll do my best :) | |
| <effie_jayx> I have family in Santiago de Compostela | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, and pochu are you going to the UDS? | |
| <GatoLoko> for me it's the same as the ubucon, I can't make plans with that much anticipation | |
| <GatoLoko> one or two weeks before that i will know, but not today | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: I would like to, but I have classes, so I'm not sure if I would be able to attend it | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: and you? | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, can't | |
| <effie_jayx> I am in venezuela... | |
| <effie_jayx> too far away | |
| <effie_jayx> not enough money | |
| <effie_jayx> I'll wait till they come to the usa again | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: I thought that as you've said you have family in Santiago, you will come :) | |
| <pochu> yes, it's a long trip | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, the ticket to spain is around $1900 | |
| <effie_jayx> a little less | |
| <effie_jayx> 1600 | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: so much? | |
| <pochu> there are flights to the usa for 500€, more or less | |
| <pochu> go and back away | |
| <pochu> with some time, of course :) | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: chile? | |
| <effie_jayx> Venezuela | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu but my flight to usa will be 700 | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: and what about a direct flight? | |
| <effie_jayx> there are many but the ticket is hig | |
| <effie_jayx> and that is not the only thing ... | |
| <effie_jayx> hotel is a problem | |
| <effie_jayx> food another | |
| <effie_jayx> :S | |
| <effie_jayx> I will try for the LTS UDS | |
| <effie_jayx> when they plan the next LTS... | |
| <effie_jayx> that should be special | |
| <luiX_> hi all | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: I think feisty+2 | |
| <pochu> luiX_: hi! | |
| <effie_jayx> ajam | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, you could always apply for sponsorship when the UDS is announced | |
| <effie_jayx> could I | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, I'l try | |
| <elkbuntu> anyone can try :) | |
| <effie_jayx> I want to be there for the next one... | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, what are my chances... :S | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, you wont know until you try | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <effie_jayx> she's something isn't she... | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, youare right... | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, of course i am ;) | |
| <pochu> me too :) | |
| <pochu> hehe | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, mmm ~~ | |
| <Ilgrim> good night, see you! | |
| <pochu> Ilgrim: night! | |
| <luiX_> well, bed's calling my name | |
| <luiX_> byeee | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: ping? | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu and GatoLoko see ya tomorrow | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: see you! :) | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: one moment! | |
| <effie_jayx> yea | |
| <pochu> ke|p: ^^ | |
| <ke|p> effie, puedo privado? | |
| <effie_jayx> como no | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, done... :D | |
| <effie_jayx> thanks | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: thanks :) | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: see you tomorrow! | |
| <ke|p> thank you effie_jayx :) | |
| <effie_jayx> no p guys thanks you | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <pochu> ty! | |
| <effie_jayx> looksaus, sup :D | |
| <looksaus> sup ? | |
| <effie_jayx> looksaus, what's up ;)? | |
| <looksaus> oh, nothing really, just working on a support points map for our local team | |
| <looksaus> effie_jayx, see https://code.launchpad.net/~mapdevs/+branch/support.points.map/dev | |
| <looksaus> and http://ubuntumapbeta.lusis.be | |
| <looksaus> and the currently running b0rken code: http://map.ubuntu-be.org/nl | |
| <effie_jayx> nice :D | |
| <yann2> it's going to be unusable once there are more people on this map :( | |
| <looksaus> no, it isn't | |
| <looksaus> there's lots of optimisations possible | |
| <looksaus> and really easy, with the new maps api | |
| <yann2> http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/carte/ | |
| <yann2> it's not _that_ easy :p | |
| <yann2> but if you display all the points at any zoom, it's going to be reaaaally slow quite soon | |
| <looksaus> which is why we will soon switch to gmaps api 2 | |
| <looksaus> where only the _visible_ points are rendered | |
| <looksaus> other performance improving measures planned | |
| <yann2> :) | |
| <yann2> you may ask ju@jurun.org for help ;) | |
| <looksaus> est-il sur irc? | |
| <looksaus> yann2, ^ | |
| <yann2> his nickname is Ju | |
| <looksaus> how do you do this again, look if he's on freenode? | |
| *** looksaus is now known as markvandenborre | |
| <elkbuntu> looksaus, /whois <nick> or /ns info <nick> | |
| <markvandenborre> elkbuntu, thx | |
| <yann2> oh, looksaus = markvondenborre | |
| <yann2> hey o/ :) | |
| <yann2> markvandenborre > did you already sent your tickets to billy so to get your money back? | |
| <markvandenborre> no, I was at the other side of the country of where my expenses tickets were | |
| <markvandenborre> still have to do that | |
| <yann2> jono around? | |
| <elkbuntu> yann2, he doesnt appear to be in the /who list | |
| <yann2> Last Seen: 2 days (4h 20m 34s) ago | |
| <yann2> :( | |
| <effie_jayx> yann2, he is on tour... | |
| <effie_jayx> JONO LIVE ... THE UBUNTU SHOW :D | |
| <yann2> ^^ | |
| <yann2> is there any official way for a locoteam to request support from canonical? | |
| <effie_jayx> what kinda support? | |
| <yann2> the hosting provider hosting our servers may be going bankruptcy | |
| <yann2> if we don't find a good alternative soon we may come into big trouble :s | |
| <elkbuntu> yann2, try rt [at] admin [dot] canonical [dot] com | |
| <elkbuntu> iirc that's the right domain | |
| <xatuser> hi all ^^ | |
| <yann2> i'll try | |
| <elkbuntu> hi xatuser | |
| <xatuser> ;D | |
| <effie_jayx> FunnyLookinHat, | |
| <FunnyLookinHat> howdy effie_jayx | |
| <effie_jayx> just fine :D | |
| <FunnyLookinHat> Did Jono talk with the latin america and spanish users yet? | |
| <xatuser> at 19 UTC in #ubuntu-es | |
| <effie_jayx> For all spanish users | |
| <effie_jayx> spanish speakers .. I will be having a IRC talk on LoCo team project | |
| <effie_jayx> in an hour... | |
| <effie_jayx> this is just to introduce the ubuntu-ve new members to the project... but it would be useful for all new enthusiasts out there... | |
| <effie_jayx> it is based on elkbuntu great presentation at Ubuntu Open Wee | |
| <effie_jayx> Week .. upss :D | |
| <FunnyLookinHat> cool dude! | |
| <FunnyLookinHat> sorry I was editing a wiki page | |
| <FunnyLookinHat> I would come to the meeting, but I have to run to class right now | |
| <effie_jayx> NO PROBLEM | |
| <FunnyLookinHat> good luck! let me know what happens :) | |
| <effie_jayx> you mean the meeting in ubuntu-es?? | |
| <effie_jayx> ok | |
| <yann2> jono o/ :) | |
| <jono> hey yann2 | |
| <elkbuntu> good to see you've survived the past month :Þ | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, hey :D | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, could ou kick off my presetation in ten minutes... please please... It would give it a bit of authority | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, sure | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <elkbuntu> but then im going to bed. what do you need me to say? | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, in -es? | |
| <effie_jayx> to say what yo do.. and that the presentation is a presetnation you did for the Ubuntu Open Week | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <effie_jayx> in ve | |
| <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-ve | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, why am i kicking it off in 10 minutes anyway? doesnt it start in 30? | |
| <effie_jayx> well ... you are in hte red carpet ;) | |
| <effie_jayx> a prelude | |
| <effie_jayx> ;) | |
| <elkbuntu> ah | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, in 5 minutes | |
| <elkbuntu> wtf does toronjil mean, worldlingo translates 'melissa' to that :-/ | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, it is a grape fruit | |
| <elkbuntu> rofl | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu in spanish... .. now you have impressed us lady | |
| <elkbuntu> im cheating of course | |
| <SimonAnibal> It's pretty good, only a couple of strangenesses | |
| <elkbuntu> SimonAnibal, what do you expect from a computed translation? | |
| <SimonAnibal> Actually, I'm impressed with the overall quality of the translation | |
| <elkbuntu> SimonAnibal, it calls me a grapefruit, im somewhat wary of this :Þ | |
| <SimonAnibal> elkbuntu: *lol* But that's the FUN of using a computer to do your translating, you never know what you're gonna get | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, it was good | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <effie_jayx> thanks elkbuntu | |
| <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, see! carlitos starts it again! | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, elkbuntu can do spanish now... ;) | |
| <elkbuntu> jono, efrain lies. | |
| <elkbuntu> :Þ | |
| <effie_jayx> no I don't | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| *** xatuser is now known as xatuser|afk | |
| <elkbuntu> anyway, goodnight | |
| <SimonAnibal> elkbuntu: goodnight! BTW, did you get my reply to your questions? I've been told some of my e-mails aren't getting through | |
| <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, bye lady | |
| <SimonAnibal> elkbuntu: I'm sruiz@mccsc.edu | |
| <elkbuntu> SimonAnibal, i did. thankyou very much :) | |
| <SimonAnibal> elkbuntu: Great! If you need anything else, let me know. Sweet dreams! | |
| <elkbuntu> :) | |
| <effie_jayx> mruiz, sup dude | |
| <mruiz> hey effie_jayx | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| *** jalrnc_ is now known as jalrnc | |
| <effie_jayx> my talk got sabotaged by debianites :S | |
| <mruiz> effie_jayx, :S | |
| <SimonAnibal> effie_jayx: I saw that, ouch! | |
| <effie_jayx> sabdfl himself entered and he couldn't help us | |
| <effie_jayx> :S | |
| <SimonAnibal> effie_jayx: Ummm, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that wasn't Mark | |
| <effie_jayx> he wasn't? | |
| <SimonAnibal> effie_jayx: That was someone using the nick sabdf1 (last character is number one) | |
| <mruiz> effie_jayx, where? | |
| <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-ve-clase | |
| <SimonAnibal> effie_jayx: Luckily, he quit as soon as he kicked you out | |
| <effie_jayx> I am founder | |
| <effie_jayx> of the channel | |
| <SimonAnibal> effie_jayx: Ah, I thought it was just an ad hoc channel. I didn't realize you had registered it and everything | |
| <effie_jayx> I had to register for it | |
| <SimonAnibal> effie_jayx: It was a learning experience, ;-) , You'll be more careful in the future | |
| <effie_jayx> I will | |
| <effie_jayx> ;) | |
| <effie_jayx> thanks | |
| <effie_jayx> that just goes to show how debianitas are in here | |
| <mruiz> ping jono | |
| <jono> mruiz: hey | |
| <yann2> elkbuntu > the problem seems to be partially solved, just got a good offer from a german company :) | |
| <amachu> Seveas: HI | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, are you around... I can help translating the meeting in #ubuntu-es | |
| <jono> effie_jayx: if you could, that would be great | |
| <pochu> jono: we have some volunteers for translate the meeting | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <jono> excellent stuff :) | |
| <pochu> jono: did you received my mail? | |
| <pochu> receive* | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, great :D | |
| <effie_jayx> pochu, sorry .. didn't know :S | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: sorry because what? :) | |
| <pochu> now that we are talking about the translations... effie_jayx you can talk to ke|p, she is organizating the translations | |
| <pochu> ke|p: ping? | |
| <ke|p> hi | |
| <effie_jayx> I did :D | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <amachu> jono: hey | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, I had some probles in my channel | |
| <amachu> jono: how r u? | |
| <jono> hey | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, debianitas came and trash a talk I was giving on LoCo teams | |
| <effie_jayx> :S | |
| <markvandenborre> effie_jayx, do you mean a person with the nick debianitas? | |
| <markvandenborre> or people who label themselves debianists that are in fact stalinists? | |
| <effie_jayx> markvandenborre, people who are debian fan boys | |
| <effie_jayx> markvandenborre, does that make sense? | |
| <pochu> effie_jayx: +m the channel? :) | |
| <effie_jayx> I had | |
| <effie_jayx> but they trashed the questions channel | |
| <pochu> mmm | |
| <pochu> :S | |
| <effie_jayx> markvandenborre, I have a meeting in 15 thou | |
| <markvandenborre> k | |
| <markvandenborre> good luck! | |
| <effie_jayx> markvandenborre, thanks :D | |
| <zed`> hi | |
| <pochu> hi zed` :) | |
| <zed`> hi pochu | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, trying to organize the meeting but the channel op has gone awol | |
| <Zizou> jjjmm me aprovaron mi solicitud a el LoCo | |
| <Zizou> nice.. | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <jono> effie_jayx: which channel? | |
| <effie_jayx> Zizou, english please | |
| <Zizou> ups sorry wrong channel | |
| <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-es | |
| <ke|p> jjono #ubuntu-es | |
| <Zizou> jono, ubuntu-ve | |
| <effie_jayx> Zizou, not that one | |
| <jono> its there | |
| <Nafallo> dooh | |
| <Nafallo> jono: we have a meeting today? :-) | |
| <Zizou> :S | |
| <jono> Nafallo: yep | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, he won't answer though | |
| <Nafallo> hehe. I should probably join some channel for discussions then :-P | |
| <Zizou> jono, the meeting is in one hour right? | |
| <jono> yes | |
| <pochu> Nafallo: feel free to attend the meeting :) | |
| <jono> effie_jayx: hmm not sure | |
| <jono> brb | |
| <Nafallo> pochu: we have one ourselves it seems. had forgotten about that :-P | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, k | |
| <pochu> Nafallo: swedden? | |
| <Nafallo> pochu: indeed :-) | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <pochu> Nafallo: 21 UTC+1? | |
| <Nafallo> yepp :-) | |
| <pochu> Nafallo: english? :) | |
| <pochu> I suppose Jono does not speak that ugly language :-P | |
| <Nafallo> yea, otherwise Jono can't understand us ;-) | |
| <jono> heh | |
| <pochu> Nafallo: which channel? :) | |
| <Nafallo> pochu: #ubuntu-se{,-comments} | |
| <Nafallo> jono: right? :-) | |
| <pochu> Nafallo: which are ur problems? | |
| <Nafallo> leader who didn't got the community with him on some stuff he did. | |
| <pochu> mmm, I see | |
| <pochu> good luck then! | |
| <pochu> maybe I'll attend | |
| <pochu> maybe not :) | |
| <Nafallo> oki, thanks :-) | |
| <Ilgrim> hi all | |
| <pochu> hi Ilgrim! | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: ping? | |
| <GatoLoko> hi, i'm here | |
| <Ilgrim> hi pochu, how are you? | |
| <pochu> hey GatoLoko :) | |
| <pochu> Ilgrim: Spain, and you? | |
| <Ilgrim> Spain too | |
| <Nafallo> how vs. where? :-) | |
| <GatoLoko> jejeje | |
| <Ilgrim> juazz | |
| <Zizou> lol | |
| <Ilgrim> That's i was thinking | |
| <pochu> jono: GatoLoko (representing the SpainTeam) and me (representing the Spanish speaking community) have been discussing here yesterday about the domains and the name, and we have thought that a good solution would be to matain ubuntu-es.org for the spanish speaking community, and to create a subdomain (spain.ubuntu-es.org) for the SpainTeam | |
| <pochu> GatoLoko: correct me if I'm wrong :) | |
| <pochu> mantain* | |
| <GatoLoko> you are right | |
| <jono> pochu: interesting solution | |
| <pochu> there, in spain.ubuntu-es.org, the SpainTeam would have full control | |
| <ke|p> :D | |
| <pochu> we could provide also the hosting, of course :) | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <pochu> :) | |
| <GatoLoko> that's for the web, for IRC channel we can maintain ubuntu-es as an international channel and use ubuntu-es-spain for local topics or LoCo administrative thing | |
| <GatoLoko> that way nobody needs to change nothing | |
| <effie_jayx> GatoLoko, looks like a nice solution :D | |
| <effie_jayx> jono, ping... | |
| <pipepool> a | |
| <pipepool> <Jorge-RL> pipepool, te han tomado el pelo | |
| <pipepool> <pipepool> gracias por la compasión | |
| <pipepool> <pipepool> lo sé | |
| <pipepool> sorry | |
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| <Nafallo> jono: ping me when it's time to be op etc... :-) | |
| <jono> Nafallo: cheers dude | |
| <jono> :) | |
| <pochu> jono: ty for the meeting :) | |
| <jono> pochu: :) | |
| <effie_jayx> Seveas, ping | |
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