<tuppa> morning ladies and gents
<siccness> Morning
<tuppa> hey siccness
<siccness> What's happening mate?
<Hit3k> Linus is an idiot
<Hit3k> Mainly because of his Gnome comments
<purserj> why is he an idiot?
<purserj> He says Gnome doesn't do what he wants, so he submits a patch
<Hit3k> he cant read spanish though :p
<purserj> Yeah that was helpful. Lets find a thread thats over a year old and then resurrect it by calling Linus a Nazi
<Hit3k> What do his patches do anyway.. besides make clicking on the titlebar configurable
<purserj> clean up the code a bit apparantly
<Hit3k> oh
<purserj> He does have a valid point about the lack of email contacts in the README
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<Hit3k> hmm
<purserj> Whats interesting is how quickly the thread shutdown
<Hit3k> hhaaha who closed it?
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<Hit3k> :/ I cant remember my perlmonks password
<purserj> Don't know, but for a thread with such flamable potential it shut down extremely quickly
<Hit3k> to avoid the flaming obviously
<purserj> bugtracker entry for Linus
<purserj> ' patches: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408898
<purserj> interesting, the patches look like being accepted
<siccness> Hahaha
<siccness> I thought Linus was a man of KDE?
<Hit3k> he is
<siccness> Heh
<purserj> But occasionally he forays into the Gnome world, gets annoyed with it and then we have this
<siccness> Heh
<siccness> Crazy bastard.
<Hit3k> Well if the Gnome Devs are not gonna do it some bitchy KDE user has to :p
<siccness> He seems to be rather outspoken good ol' Linux
<siccness> *Linus
<Hit3k> http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237
<purserj> Yeah Linus seems to be of the shoot first then calm down and ask questions later
<siccness> Sigh. A bunch of immature idiots bitching over nothing, really.
<siccness> It's an argument similar to that of teenagers in a school yard.
<Hit3k> Excuse me. Im one of those teenagers and I dont say "Yeah well I did it differently and its much cleaner that way and does what i want it to"
<siccness> I don't understand why he's wasting his time on something, why can't he just focus on what everyone wants him to focus on, the Kernel.
<siccness> If he doesn't like GNOME, don't use it.
<purserj> You mean he has an interest outside what everyone else thinks he should do?
<siccness> an interest in what? sending bug fixes with rude comments no shorter than "my code is better"
<siccness> If he wants to send bug fixes to GNOME, KDE or whatever, then that's cool.
<purserj> siccness: have you read through the whole thread?
<siccness> at linux.com?
<purserj> Nope, the original thread this is just a continuation of
<purserj> It started in 2005
<siccness> nope, where's that?
<purserj> Just finding it now
<purserj> http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000389.html
<purserj> Thats the first message in a looooong thread
<siccness> LOL
<siccness> How old is Linus?
<purserj> mid forties I would say
<Hit3k> Ubuntu doesnt like CPAN
<Hit3k> well he was ~20 when he started the linux project
<Hit3k> Linus is 37
<Hit3k> purserj, you know perl?
<purserj> Hit3k: I know a bit
<Hit3k> know much about text formatting? like making things bold?
<purserj> in what context? HTML? LaTeX?
<Hit3k> context like print "Something <BOLDWHATEVER>somethingelse"
<purserj> yar but what is reading the output? Is it the cli? A Web page?
<Hit3k> cli
<purserj> hmm
<purserj> try something like this: "\033[1mThis is bold text.\033[0m"
<Hit3k> ok
<TheMuso> Is it possible to completely disable autocomplete in firefox?
<kgoetz> hi all.
<kgoetz> why do i start every day by stuffing something up? :|
<romana> it adds a certain sice?
<romana> spice?
<siccness> rofl
<siccness> Australia made 336 runs against NZ
<kgoetz> wow, so the useful players are back?
<siccness> nope
<kgoetz> double wow
<siccness> Hussey was just lettin the sheepies feel good
<siccness> hussey knocked 105 from 84 balls
<kgoetz> lol
<siccness> white with a strike rate of 200+
* kgoetz will get the scoresheet from the abc in a moment
<siccness> cameron white, Strike Rate of 221
<siccness> lol
<siccness> 42 off 19 balls
<kgoetz> http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/scores/ckt_scorecard_1046_2.htm bit behind but still
<kgoetz> Current run rate: 6.66
<kgoetz> awsome :D
<siccness> 6.72 in the end
<siccness> hussey hit 3 6s in one over
<kgoetz> hodge must be spewing
<siccness> to bring up his 100
<siccness> haha yea
<siccness> nevertheless, great effort
<siccness> you have to be convinced about him now
<kgoetz> haddin to, but thats his fault
<siccness> haddin sucks
<kgoetz> after last match i'm not convinced of anything
<siccness> lol
<siccness> tuffey, 10 overs gave away 80 runs
<siccness> lol
<kgoetz> lol. and vincent
<siccness> lol yeah
<siccness> 22 runs off 2 overs
<kgoetz> mcmillan got owned
<kgoetz> 45 off 5
<siccness> 3 out of 6 batters had a strike rate higher than 110
<kgoetz> 'id rather 3 of the 6 survived last game and only had 80% this game...
<siccness> I'm thinking Jaques will be dropped
<siccness> It's not the first time he's screwed himself over when given a chance. Every time he gets an oppurtunity he makes less than 10 each time
<kgoetz> what do you think would be uglier - finding out how to create tmpfs partitions and mounting them in place, or symlinkjing random crap into /var/<foo> (which is already tmpfs)
<siccness> probably the former :)
<kgoetz> :)
<purserj> hmm lots of smoke just north of here
<kgoetz> siccness: looks like tmpfs might not be so hard afterall - mount tmpfs /foo -t tmpfs
* kgoetz tests
<kgoetz> purserj: is that unexpected or just unnerving?
<purserj> a bit of both
<purserj> looks like it might be a grass fire
<purserj> We're right on the border between the farmland and the burbs, so if it catches properly could make things interesting
<kgoetz> um. sounds a bit worryful
<Rothbuntu> woooo anyone go to the drifts yesterday
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<kgoetz> hi shenki
<shenki> hello kgoetz
<shenki> how are we this disgustingly hot sunday afternoon?
<kgoetz> at the hut, so i can be in aircon
<shenki> ah, good work. all my housemates are in the back room here where we have aircon - the rest of the house is unliveable
<kgoetz> yeh. my place is evil atm
<shenki> how have you been? keeping busy?
<kgoetz> well i'v been here (the hut) about 15 hours so far this weekend.
<lisapc> hi
<shenki> working, or just hanging out?
<lisapc> any optus users here?
<kgoetz> working
<shenki> ok. what stuff you been working on?
<shenki> lisapc: optus internets? nah
<kgoetz> trying to get a system to run a script i wrote, but its refusing to run it as it boots ;/
<lisapc> shenki optus adsl2+
<shenki> kgoetz: the script won't run at boot?
<kgoetz> shenki: no. i'm just about to write a proper init script for it and see if that helps
<shenki> kgoetz: sounds fun :)
<shenki> kgoetz: you going to linuxsa meeting tues?
<kgoetz> shenki: what it on?
<shenki> kgoetz: keke. go read the announce ;)
<kgoetz> :P when i have time i will then
<kgoetz> i'm feeling much better today - had enough sleep last night. yesterday wasnt so great
<shenki> http://jessica.netcraft.com.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2007-February/086546.html
<shenki> readitreaditreadit
<kgoetz> I care who shot first!
* kgoetz grin. yeh, he should be there
<kgoetz> crap. thats when itshares agm is on.
* kgoetz might skip out at the end
<lisapc> i bought a new notebook. but the battery goes down by about 2% each day. Why isnt it recharging to 100%?
<MistaED> bugger, there goes /dev/hdb
<MistaED> with some important files i forget it had *shrugs* out of sight out of mind i guess lol
<MistaED> *forgot
<Davo_Dinkum> 1280x 768 is 16:9 right?
<lisapc> no
<lisapc> 16:9 = widescreen
<Davo_Dinkum> 16:10 then?
<Davo_Dinkum> I know
<lisapc> not about res, about size
<MistaED> Davo_Dinkum: 1280x720 would be 16:9, 1280x800 is 16:10
<MistaED> so it's half way
<Davo_Dinkum> Pfft stupid sony. can't even pick an aspect ratio to work with.
* Davo_Dinkum forgets how much VRAM his R32 has
<MistaED> heh, well i recently found out that standard PAL is 5:4 ratio (720x576) but is viewed in 4:3 so the pixels are not square but rather 1.07 stretched over to 768x576
<Davo_Dinkum> Ah 16MB
<Davo_Dinkum> Seriously, could we screw up aspect ratios any more?
<MistaED> doing a bit of camera work for a project of mine, had to work out the right one so the camera tracker tracked properly
<Davo_Dinkum> tracked?
<MistaED> yeah i'm putting 3d elements into live video
* Davo_Dinkum wonders what that is.
<MistaED> it puts a bunch of common points in the scene and works out where the camera is relative to what it taped
<Davo_Dinkum> How is that useful?
<MistaED> so then i can import that cam tracked camera into 3d software (maya in this case) and the camera will move around and the points would be static so i can plunk 3d stuff onto them and they sit on the video properly
<lisapc> Microsoft AC Adapter device? someone said in a forum to delete that so baterry will start charging again! any ideas?
<shenki> kgoetz: good :) i'll need the support
<kgoetz> shenki: :)
<kgoetz> hm. *discovers hes cocked up this script*
<kgoetz> and i'v been working on this 1 bit for 1.5 hours :|
<kgoetz> anyone familar with ps?
<shenki> kgoetz: did you get your ps issues sorted?
<shenki> does anyone know of a X screensaver that grabs photos from a rss feed and displays them?
<kgoetz> shenki: no. i'm having scripting issues.
* kgoetz is going insane
<shenki> :/ feel free to throw any questions my way
<kgoetz> shenki: i want to test to see that a process is *not* running (i stopped it earlier, so it should be stopped), and i want to start it
<kgoetz> any way you can think of :\
<kgoetz> when i get this working i'm going for a walk. over 20 hours at the hut this weekend, and probably more to come. a walk will = win
<shenki> hmm, go for a walk first, clear you head
<shenki> as far as your problem goes, that's exactly what an init script is supposed to do... have you looked at some examples?
<kgoetz> i have 5 lines of failing code and then 'it works'. i'm not going anyware :P
<kgoetz> perhaps a bit of background info:
<kgoetz> i need tmpfs mounted into place during init 1 (so its ready for 2).
<kgoetz> actually
<kgoetz> init 2 will start the service again.
<kgoetz> i'm going for a walk :P
<shenki> hehe
<shenki> goodluck :)
<kgoetz> fk. scripts failling again.
* kgoetz goes afk. bbl
<kgoetz> aah. back
<kgoetz> still not working right :(
<kgoetz> seems my init script is broken. the script works fine if i run it by hand (well. seems to run fine)
<kgoetz> now the init script works by hand too. now i have to work out the whole 'working when i need' bit
<kgoetz> score!!! works
<siccness> im sweatin like crazy
<cps> nice to know
<Rothbuntu> mmmmmm
<Rothbuntu> ARG the randomness of ubuntu is really starting to frustrate me
<siccness> So the A-League final was a bit of thrashing
<shenki_> siccness: yeah, i was going to go and watch it at a pub with my house mates, glad i didn't bother tho
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<siccness> Yeah, I'm not so much a fan of Soccer but im glad to see Melbourne kill Adelaide :)
<shenki> siccness: haha, i'm the same with the soccer love, but i'd prefer to see adelaide kill melbs :P
<Rothbuntu> couldnt care either way
<siccness> Yeah, I'm in that category really.
<siccness> I just like annoying the south australians in ehre
<siccness> it's fun :)
<Rothbuntu> sad to see non of the usual rioting
<siccness> lol
<siccness> That's actually an interesting point though
<siccness> Every other country seems to have that issue, but not Australia
<siccness> Rarely do we have acts of violence between sporting nations/states
<siccness> Might be related to the fact that we're all hammered after the first 5 minutes of a game and can barely stand
<Davo_Dinkum> There was the crap during the tennis
<siccness> Yeah
<siccness> between two other nations
<Davo_Dinkum> that fight broke out
<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah that was stupid
<siccness> Yup, don't bring that crap to our country
<Rothbuntu> damn torrents that sit on %99.9
<Davo_Dinkum> Where do we take it then?
<Davo_Dinkum> Rothbuntu: Seed man, seed!
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: I don't care really, anywhere but here suits me fine.
<kgoetz> if i can get shadow passwords working, and ssh logging in, i think this proxy can go live (for certain definitions of live)
<siccness> Time to make a webpage
<Rothbuntu> cut & paste
<siccness> lol
<siccness> tempting
<siccness> VERY tempting
<Rothbuntu> thats how i do it
<kgoetz> i cant get sshd to start :(
<siccness> what error?
<kgoetz> no ssh, no gateway :(
<siccness> if any?
<kgoetz> no error. it just fails
<kgoetz> i suspect it needs to write somewhere it cant. but i would like to know :/
<siccness> does anyone know of a way to open a second instance of gedit?
<siccness> rather than tab form
<TheMuso> Gedit can have multiple files open at once.
<siccness> yes i know
<TheMuso> ah ok
<TheMuso> WHy do you really want to do things that way?
<kgoetz> siccness: tried opening two files?
<siccness> I have about 10 tabs in this current gedit instance
<siccness> and they're all specified from one folder
<siccness> so this other instance would be from this other folder
<kgoetz> hi thoreauputic
<Fujitsu> siccness: There's a `Move to new window' button the on the Documents menu.
<thoreauputic> hi kgoetz
<Fujitsu> *on the
<siccness> Yeah just noticed than then
<Fujitsu> Hey thoreauputic.
<kgoetz> :)
<siccness> Heh, thanks mate ;)
<thoreauputic> hi Fujitsu :)
<siccness> s/than/that/
<siccness> who knows how to place firefox (or any app for that matter) out of Full-Screen?
<thoreauputic> siccness: F-11
<thoreauputic> siccness: some apps you can use <esc>
<siccness> F11 is for firefox itself
<thoreauputic> siccness: f-11 is the default fullscreen key combo in Gnome
<siccness> so if i press f11 it'll just go from full-screen to full-screen without a menu
<thoreauputic> hmm
<thoreauputic> siccness: works here with FF 2
<siccness> screw it, ill kill firefox and just restore session
<thoreauputic> just ried it
<thoreauputic> siccness: it should work - I just did it ...
<siccness> nah, my wm handles it i think
<thoreauputic> siccness: which wm ?
<siccness> so hence why f11 wont work
<siccness> fvwm
<thoreauputic> I see
<siccness> my bad, i didn't think properly on that :)
<thoreauputic> yeah, other wm s need their own keybindings
<siccness> yah
<siccness> heh. i've forgotten my terminal keybind
<thoreauputic> siccness: using NetworkManager with non-gnome window managers is ... *cough* .. interesting
<siccness> so i cant open a terminal to kill it
<siccness> i dunno what networkmanager is
<siccness> :)
<thoreauputic> siccness: ctrl-alt-FI ; pkill firefox-bin
<siccness> eh?
<thoreauputic> then alt-F7 to return to X
<siccness> nah wont work
<thoreauputic> yes it will
<siccness> no, it wont :)
<thoreauputic> why not ?
<siccness> just doesnt
<thoreauputic> I do that frequently too
<thoreauputic> umm
<siccness> yeah but my guiess is thats keybinded too
<thoreauputic> that isn't an answer
<thoreauputic> you mean ctrl-alt-F1 doesn't five you tty1 ?
<thoreauputic> *give
<siccness> nope
<siccness> gives me nothing
<thoreauputic> ah
<siccness> usually f1-f6 does the tty?
<siccness> then f7 goes back
<thoreauputic> that is extremely odd
<siccness> but not here
<thoreauputic> siccness: *cough* is this gentoo ?
<siccness> yeah
* thoreauputic sighs and turns off
<siccness> lol
<thoreauputic> ;-)
<siccness> nothing to do with it tho :P
<thoreauputic> siccness: what does /etc/inittab look like then ?
<siccness> who knows, i can't show you :P
<thoreauputic> should have tty s defined
<siccness> becuase if i could, i'd have killed firefox by now :P
<thoreauputic> heheh
<siccness> i could just quit irssi
<siccness> but eh
<thoreauputic> siccness: you should be running irssi in gnu screen - then you could just create a new terminal buffer and do it there ;p
<siccness> i am
<siccness> and i only just realised that :|
<siccness> im just not thinkin tonight
<siccness> thanks for your help tho champ :)
<thoreauputic> so do ctrl-a c , use the new termianl prompt
<thoreauputic> :)
<siccness> yeah nah i ended up close another terminal
<siccness> *closing
<thoreauputic> siccness: figures - gento users always do things the hard way
* thoreauputic runs
<siccness> lol
<thoreauputic> ;p
<siccness> I'd agree
<siccness> but I'm more in the category of "siccness is just a dumbshit"
<pschulz01_> Evening all..
* thoreauputic prints an annoying "I'm away now in case the channel cares" message
<siccness> heh
<siccness> hey pschulz01_
<pschulz01_> I have a webcam which works under ekiga.Does anyone know another application that is able to display the video image on the screen.. but larger, or even full screen? This is for a presentation, where I would like to use it to show/focus on some hardware.
<purserj> if it works with ekiga it should work with other v4l apps like xawtv
* siccness kicks css
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<MistaED> pschulz01: i saw one in add/remove, one sec
<siccness> Tatey^2: you around mate?
<MistaED> pschulz01_: camorama
<shenki> pschulz01: anything that can talk v4l(2?) will be fine
* merlin-linux never got camorama to work with out crashing when you took a capture
<shenki> pschulz01: mplayer should be able to...
<shenki> pschulz01: http://www.pulia.nu/code/projects/yava/
<merlin-linux> pschulz01: vlc can do it
<Tatey^2> siccness: am now
<merlin-linux> g'evenin Tatey^2
<siccness> Heh cool
<siccness> Are you busy?
<Tatey^2> gi merlin-linux, siccness :)
<Tatey^2> moderately, what's up?
<siccness> css troubles, lack of knowledge. but if you're busy i can wait for a time when you're not busy
<Tatey^2> I can take a quick look
<Tatey^2> BRB tohugh
<Victor_> http://www.fourmigration.com/link.php?pid=15&cont=5
<Rothbuntu> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1171791148231.jpg i am the victor
<thoreauputic> some op here - Victor_ is spamming all th #*-ubuntu channels with that link
* thoreauputic warns Victor_ , You're on thin ice! Fair warning...
<Hobbsee> who's got ops in here?
<thoreauputic> fujitsu, siccness, kgoetz, elkbuntu
<thoreauputic> according to chanserv ..
<elkbuntu> eh?
<thoreauputic> elkbuntu: Victor_ is a serial spammer
<elkbuntu> ah
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*** ChanServ sets mode: -o elkbuntu
<thoreauputic> thanks
<Kamping_Kaiser> just home, thanks el
<Kamping_Kaiser> * elkbuntu
<Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, might take it to -ops and warn
<thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: already mentioned
<thoreauputic> but thanks :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> ok :)
<thoreauputic> apparently he's posting that link everywhere including -meeting
<Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed i'm missing my hairties :S wonder where i lost htem
<thoreauputic> irony - it's in french so few will even understand it from the channels he has spammed
<Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, does *anyone* speak french?
<thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: /me does
<thoreauputic> :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<siccness> i speak french
<siccness> j'mappelle siccness
<siccness> and that's all i know
<Kamping_Kaiser> whao, you leet daredevel
<siccness> yup
<Kamping_Kaiser> *vil
<siccness> 8 years of french classes
<siccness> and i know NOTHING
<thoreauputic> neither do I - but I can say nothing in french anyway ;)
<Kamping_Kaiser> non?
<thoreauputic> rien
<Kamping_Kaiser> :/
<siccness> blanc
<siccness> noir
<siccness> bleu
<thoreauputic> rouge
<siccness> orange
<thoreauputic> vert
<thoreauputic> brun
<siccness> cinq
<siccness> six
<thoreauputic> heh
<siccness> sept
<siccness> :)
<thoreauputic> argh!!!
<thoreauputic> Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaƮt point
<thoreauputic> -Pascal
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<siccness> J'ai 19 ans
<badop> thoreauputic, this is an english channel!
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<siccness> Je n'aime pas des fenetres
<elkbuntu> i can do 'parlez vous anglais'
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i can say it, but not spell it
<siccness> elkbuntu: the word 'anglais' being in such a short-sentence is guessable to an english translation :)
<elkbuntu> hehe
<elkbuntu> 'do you speak english'
<siccness> Je deteste Channel 10
<siccness> anyways, enough of that from me.
<Kamping_Kaiser> 22 hours at the hut and i didnt think to update my edgy or fc6 installs
<siccness> the latter is impossible
<siccness> it just doesn't update
<Kamping_Kaiser> no, its cross version updates that break it
<Kamping_Kaiser> in my experiance anyway :|
<siccness> we had a few broken packages when we tried to upgrade the other box
<siccness> libwmf being a bitch
* Hobbsee test
<Kamping_Kaiser> ah oh....
<Rothbuntu> http://rothtech.no-ip.biz/stuff/Grant.mp3 download and enjoy
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<thoreauputic> is metaphysics talking around aspects of physics without actually mentioning physics ?
* thoreauputic waits witha dead-pan expression
* Kamping_Kaiser gets in before siccness : its after 5pm, dont ask that carp
<Kamping_Kaiser> :P
<Kamping_Kaiser> hi MotherLUG
<MotherLUG> Hey Kamping_Kaiser
<Rothbuntu> theres actuall physics and theoretical physics but i dont know what metaphysics is
<MotherLUG> Evening everyone. Woot woot
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<Rothbuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics <- fixed
<Davo_Dinkum> Bye
<siccness> ahh great, food poisoning again
<merlin-linux> poor siccness :-(
<Tatey> siccness is nub
<jorge_lopez> hello
<jorge_lopez> i have a problem
<jorge_lopez> i have just installed Ubuntu
<jorge_lopez> the video is a GeoForce Nvidia fx5200
<jorge_lopez> but there is a problem with the window's movement
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<siccness> Morning all
<praetorian> morning cutiepie
<siccness> what's up sexy, still on for tonight? *blows kiss*
<praetorian> yep, 9pm at that bar you were talking about
<siccness> haha :D
<praetorian> tired
<siccness> Yeah, I don't like the idea of waking up this early for TAFE
<praetorian> same, but for work
<praetorian> atleast i only have 1 uni day
<praetorian> that starts at 9am this semester
<siccness> Heh
<praetorian> one 9am, one 12pm, one 2pm
<siccness> We tried to get our tafe to start from 9am to start at 10am
<siccness> I got the reply "Well we already moved it from 8am to 9am"
<Hit3k> http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208
<praetorian> heh
<praetorian> 9am first class is a lecture too
<Hit3k> siccness, i tried to get my school to never start :(
<praetorian> annoying
<siccness> lol
<siccness> Alright guys, take care. I'm outta here ;-D

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