| <Zuph> Good evening, ubuntu | |
| <montgoej> evening | |
| <Zuph> Taxes 2006: DONE | |
| <Zuph> exciting friday evening | |
| <bkingx> Yup | |
| <bkingx> HEY! | |
| <bkingx> How do I sart gnome on server from the cli? | |
| <Zuph> startx, I beleive | |
| <bkingx> nope | |
| <bkingx> command not found | |
| <bkingx> I did the install ubuntu-desktop, but no go on starting it. | |
| <bkingx> been searching for a while now | |
| <Zuph> everytime I've done it, X started automatically after a reboot. | |
| <bkingx> hmmm | |
| <bkingx> maybe I can try again | |
| <bkingx> ok...let's see how this goes this time | |
| <bkingx> This looks like it might take a while | |
| <bkingx> Gonna go watch a movie with the fam. | |
| <montgoej> Evening everyone | |
| <evilgold> evening montgoej | |
| <montgoej> so what's going on with you guys? | |
| <montgoej> I'm downloading Kubuntu and playing with different panel things in Gnome | |
| <evilgold> I was trying to get my jabber server working | |
| <evilgold> its behaving odly | |
| <Zuph> Updating steam for a LAN party this weekend. | |
| <etank> sup guys | |
| <Zuph> Updating steam for a LAN party this weekend. | |
| <Zuph> :) | |
| <montgoej> oh yeah, I don't know if I'll be able to make it to the installfest dry run, there's a concert at my church that day and I'm not sure what time it is | |
| <Zuph> bah | |
| <etank> thats OK | |
| <montgoej> ok cool | |
| <etank> who is doing the concert? | |
| <montgoej> Sean Michel, the Castro guy from American Idol | |
| <etank> don't know him | |
| <montgoej> http://youtube.com/watch?v=JtNPlgKWtdg | |
| <etank> wow | |
| <montgoej> I might be missing the meeting on march 8, I'm going to the FBLA cyber security competition and I dunno what time I'll be back | |
| <etank> he is good | |
| <montgoej> yep | |
| <montgoej> I've noticed....sound works in flash only right after my machine boots up or after it's been on for a while...and it's really throwing me for a loop | |
| <etank> weird | |
| <etank> are you running the latest version of flash? | |
| <montgoej> it used to never work, so it's an improvement :) | |
| <montgoej> yeah, I'm running flash 9 | |
| <etank> strange | |
| <montgoej> it never worked with the older flash...at least on edgy, but it always worked on dapper | |
| <etank> anyone seen Ghost Rider yet | |
| <etank> or have plans to? | |
| <montgoej> me and some friends from school wanna see it next week if we can | |
| <etank> I saw it tonight | |
| <etank> it was pretty good | |
| <montgoej> it sounds good | |
| <etank> montgoej: do you run CE? | |
| <montgoej> yeah | |
| <montgoej> I've been running it since it was version 1.1 on dapper | |
| <etank> how well does dansguardian run on it for you | |
| <etank> I ran the "conversion" scripts on a dapper install and it really slowed things down a lot | |
| <montgoej> I uninstall it usually. It slows down stuff | |
| <etank> I had to uninstall dans and squid | |
| <etank> ok | |
| <montgoej> I just completely uninstall dansguardian and all | |
| <etank> glad i wasn't the only one | |
| <montgoej> I don't really like censorware anyways, but i'm ok with it as long as it's not completely stupid...like Saint Bernard | |
| <montgoej> that's what they use at school, it's basically a jihad against the web..it blocked ubuntu forums until I got the district tech guy to un-block it | |
| <montgoej> it blocks sites about religion, web hosting, "hacking", shareware, email, "misc questionable"(which includes lockpicking..sadly)....everything | |
| <etank> once my kids get more web aware I plan on setting up a squid server with dansguardian on it here in the house. | |
| <montgoej> my lil brother uses the web on my parent's winbl0ws computer | |
| <montgoej> they don't have anything like dans installed, they just sit down there with him when he uses it | |
| <Zuph> I had a computer in my room from the time I was 3 onward. | |
| <montgoej> I've had for a while | |
| <montgoej> I've got two now | |
| <Zuph> I was surfing local BBSes off a 2400 baud modem when I was 7 | |
| <etank> later montgoej | |
| <etank> never mind | |
| <montgoej> see ya | |
| <Zuph> haha | |
| <montgoej> ok | |
| <etank> i thought you said you had to go now | |
| <Zuph> nope, he just has two now :) | |
| <montgoej> lol | |
| * etank is laughing on the inside | |
| <montgoej> I have a little box I just installed xubuntu on yesterday and my normal Ubuntu machine | |
| <montgoej> I like Xubuntu, it makes the little box have new life | |
| <Zuph> In this apartment, I have my laptop, 3 old Compaq servers, 1 newish IBM server and an HTPC, plus a couple of laser printers. Not including my roomate's stuff. | |
| <Zuph> I have a bunch more old hardware at my parents place, but it's too old to bother with. | |
| <Zuph> Although I suppose I could make a macquarium. | |
| <montgoej> oh yeah, my dad told me he might have a lead on some monitors, he said that he saw a bunch just sitting there at the place he works today, and that the IT guy said they weren't gonna do anything witht them | |
| <Zuph> sweet. | |
| <montgoej> he didn't ask for them cause he didn't know how many I needed or anything, but he's gonna ask monday | |
| <etank> montgoej: where do you go to church? | |
| <montgoej> Sand Spring Baptist, Lawrenceburg, KY | |
| <etank> how far is that from Lexington | |
| <montgoej> about...40-ish minutes | |
| <etank> I just watched the video of Sean Michel again | |
| <montgoej> we come to/through lexington a lot | |
| <etank> thinking we may have to come hear him | |
| <etank> that guy rocks | |
| <montgoej> http://www.sandspringyouth.com/ that's our youth site, there's more info there | |
| <montgoej> concert starts at 7 | |
| <montgoej> where do you go to church | |
| <etank> Porter Memorial Baptist | |
| <montgoej> ah cool | |
| <montgoej> I think I've heard of it, but never been there | |
| <etank> It's on Nicholasville Road just after Man-O-War | |
| <etank> i like the youth site for your church | |
| <etank> is Kentucky Changers like Wrold Changers? | |
| <montgoej> yeah | |
| <montgoej> I think | |
| <etank> cool | |
| <montgoej> I've never been to world changers but I've been to KY changers twice | |
| <etank> I did missions with World Changers one year | |
| <etank> it was fun | |
| <montgoej> I've never been to world changers, but I went on a mission to Mississippi for Katrina relief with KBC | |
| <etank> I would love to go on another mission trip | |
| <etank> i need to wait until the kids are a little older first though | |
| <montgoej> it was awesome...but I never imagined how violent it would be down there, hearing gunshots everyday and police cars going down the street every couple of hours | |
| <montgoej> mosquitoes and Gnats(with a big G like GNU) that are out to kill...but it was worth it in the end, we got to spread Christ | |
| <Zuph> Top Gear said it best: "How can Americans sleep at night knowing .... This! .... is here?! | |
| <Zuph> " | |
| <etank> our church is partnered with a church in Slidell Louisiana to help with the damage that is down there | |
| <montgoej> I' | |
| <etank> Zuph: what is the "This" | |
| <montgoej> *I'm not sure if we're partnered with any | |
| <Zuph> Good to know that America can collectively turn it's back on one of the most culturally diverse and interetsing cities in America. | |
| <Zuph> etank: "This" is the destruction that is Katrina. | |
| <etank> aaah | |
| <Zuph> The top gear guys visited last fall, and found it absolutely abhorrent. | |
| <etank> the reports that I have heard from my friends at church would confirm that | |
| <montgoej> we walked along the beach...I hit my foot on something and dug up what used to be a dollhouse...the power that storm had was amazing | |
| <etank> they say it is nasty | |
| <montgoej> basically when we were there, the violence was so bad we were told not to be anywhere alone, not to wonder off the road, not to go anywhere off of the property we were at, and pray nothing happens | |
| <etank> I can not believe that our government didn't do more to help | |
| <montgoej> when I was down there...one thing i saw left me in awe | |
| <montgoej> the fact that i saw 2...maybe 3 african american families with the FEMA trailers, but who knows how many Caucasian families with them | |
| <montgoej> one with 3 | |
| <Zuph> etank: WE GOT WARS TO FIGHT MANG | |
| <etank> well guys, im calling it quits for the night | |
| <montgoej> alright | |
| <montgoej> talk to you later | |
| <etank> i'll talk to you guys later | |
| <etank> bkingx: the site is down | |
| <etank> got to go now though | |
| <etank> can you check it? | |
| <bkingx> Yeah....can't figure out what is going on. | |
| <bkingx> I am looking into it now. | |
| <bkingx> Looks like it might have something to do with the ESX server, but it all appears to be up. | |
| <etank> reboot it | |
| <bkingx> OK...we are back up | |
| <etank> make sure your external IP is the same | |
| <bkingx> For some reason, all the VM | |
| <bkingx> s's were shut down | |
| <bkingx> Te ESX server was running fine. | |
| <bkingx> When you have time, maybe we can do some logging on the ESX server to see what is going on? | |
| <JarG0n> Hi | |
| <bkingx> anyone got there ears on? | |
| <bkingx> etank, you around? | |
| <bkingx> Nevermind...got it figured out. | |
| <bkingx> later gators! | |
| <bkingx> Alright, Ubuntu server...got desktop installed. | |
| <bkingx> Works great...did what I wanted it to. | |
| <bkingx> Now how do i go back to starting to cli? | |
| <bkingx> etank, zenwhen, |{evin , do you guys know? | |
| <etank> hit ctrl + alt + f1 | |
| <etank> then ctrl + alt +f7 to get back | |
| <etank> bbl | |
| <Zuph> w00t, LAN party. | |
| <bkingx> Well, what I am trying to do is keep resources to a minimum by not loading the gui | |
| <bkingx> But I wanted it available, just in case I needed it. | |
| <bkingx> I know...get away from the gui....I am trying | |
| <Zuph> Just refuse to let yourself use the gui | |
| <Zuph> and google everything you need | |
| <bkingx> LOL...I'm trying! | |
| <bkingx> OK..I'm going to uninstall Ubuntu-desktop from the server | |
| <jkeyes0> k. what's up? | |
| <Zuph> Here's what I did: I set up a virtual machine every day, and for 2 weeks straight, every day, I would set up a server in a different config. | |
| <Zuph> LAN PARTY | |
| <bkingx> trying to boot Ubuntu to CLI | |
| <bkingx> Grrr | |
| <bkingx> Frustrating! | |
| <Zuph> hehe | |
| <bkingx> there's got to be some way to do this! | |
| <etank> bkingx: try sudo update-rc.d gdm remove | |
| <bkingx> Yup...did that too. | |
| <bkingx> Then it tries to boot the splash, and then it goes to some strange screen | |
| <bkingx> Can't really explain it, looks like | |
| <bkingx> a single line of a dot matrix printer that is put of ink. | |
| <bkingx> Now disceranable text | |
| <etank> update-rc.d -f gdm remove | |
| <etank> ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/K13gdm | |
| <etank> link for that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=100484 | |
| <bkingx> OK...I'll try in just a sec | |
| <bkingx> Will this kill my FreeNX> | |
| <etank> i dont know | |
| <etank> this will remove the startup scripts for X | |
| <bkingx> OK | |
| <bkingx> trying it now | |
| <bkingx> OK...now a restart? | |
| <etank> yep | |
| <evilgold> still trying to get X working? | |
| <etank> it should startup to cli only | |
| <etank> trying to make a machine start without X | |
| <bkingx> But still have it available if needed | |
| <evilgold> yeah i do that on my laptop | |
| <evilgold> mostly to confuse people | |
| <bkingx> Tell me...tell me!! | |
| <evilgold> well lemme see here, laptops out at the momemnt, i'll try doing it with another machine | |
| <bkingx> OK | |
| <bkingx> etank, it is rebooting into the splash | |
| <etank> the splash is normal i think | |
| <bkingx> Do I need to configure grub then? | |
| <bkingx> OK | |
| <etank> but it should not take you to a graphical login | |
| <etank> it should ask for a username at the command line | |
| <bkingx> nope...let me see if I can do a screenshot | |
| <evilgold> I justed used BUM for that part | |
| <etank> BUM == Boot Up Manager | |
| <evilgold> yes sir | |
| <evilgold> not other bums | |
| <evilgold> :-P | |
| <evilgold> so you know | |
| <evilgold> you dont have to restart | |
| <evilgold> just open a terminal and run Killall gdm | |
| <evilgold> or kdm | |
| <evilgold> saves some time | |
| <evilgold> you might have to switch to a tty manually is all | |
| <evilgold> If you want to be really cool though | |
| <evilgold> install Qingy | |
| <evilgold> make your tty logins look nice | |
| <evilgold> :-) | |
| <bkingx> brb...the new baby has arrived. | |
| <bkingx> along with the pizza | |
| <bkingx> crazy right now. | |
| <bkingx> etank, ygm | |
| <etank> didn't get it yet | |
| <bkingx> Oops...sent it to myself! | |
| <bkingx> Sorry! | |
| <bkingx> YGM | |
| <etank> yep that looks weird | |
| <etank> does it ever finish the boot process | |
| <bkingx> yeah...it | |
| <bkingx> s up | |
| <bkingx> it's up | |
| <bkingx> but fromthe vmware console, it just stays there | |
| <bkingx> I can ssh into it fine | |
| <bkingx> any thoughts? | |
| <etank> what happens if you hit ctrl + alt + bksp | |
| <bkingx> nothing | |
| <bkingx> I mean, I can leave it booting into the gui, just thought it would be better on resources | |
| <etank> how did you install X? | |
| <etank> what command? | |
| <bkingx> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | |
| <etank> ok then. | |
| <bkingx> See..command line stuff!! | |
| <etank> you should try to start using aptitude install something instead of apt-get install something | |
| <etank> aptitude does a better job with dependencies | |
| <bkingx> Hmm....maybe I did use aptitude | |
| <etank> go to this site http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde | |
| <etank> the third window down | |
| <etank> copy that command into the cli | |
| <etank> that will get rid of all of the gui junk | |
| <bkingx> remove xubuntu? | |
| <bkingx> OK...I'll try it. | |
| <etank> the third command window down removes gnome | |
| <etank> look at this for more info on the difference between apt-get and aptitude http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installingsoftware | |
| <bkingx> OK | |
| <bkingx> So what are your thoughts after it is all removed? | |
| <etank> try rebooting and see what it does | |
| <bkingx> OK....and then stick to cli, right? | |
| <etank> that is up to you | |
| <bkingx> ;) | |
| <etank> it will force you to use the cli more | |
| <bkingx> true! | |
| <Zuph> CLI > * | |
| <bkingx> CLI SUCKS! Ahemm <said while clering throat> | |
| <etank> bkingx is really just a Windows User | |
| <bkingx> Oh..them are fightin' words there!!! | |
| <etank> but are they true words ???? | |
| <etank> :D | |
| <bkingx> Yeah....I suppse | |
| <bkingx> I'm in training to be a convert, though | |
| <evilgold> lol | |
| <etank> Stick with us young grasshopper. We will show you the way. | |
| <etank> tell you what bkingx | |
| <etank> get you a spare machine and do an install of gentoo from a stage 1 tarball | |
| <bkingx> tell me, old cricket! | |
| <evilgold> wiat your doing this in vmware ? | |
| <evilgold> lol, dont tell him that etank, he might try it | |
| <etank> yup vmware ESX | |
| <bkingx> What are you trying to do, torture me! | |
| <evilgold> ohh no wonder | |
| <etank> but he will learn A LOT by doing it | |
| <etank> including compiling his own kernel | |
| <evilgold> yeah but not a perticularly useful lot | |
| <etank> nope im trying to help you learn | |
| <evilgold> you can do that in any distro | |
| <etank> yeah but gentoo makes it a little harder | |
| <etank> trial by fire ... and all that | |
| <evilgold> which is not alway better | |
| <etank> or you can do a LFS project | |
| <evilgold> but, lets not get that whole arguement started | |
| <evilgold> dont get me wrong, i love gentoo | |
| <bkingx> ok | |
| <evilgold> but for anyone not interested in being a hard core linux admin | |
| <evilgold> its not for them | |
| <evilgold> anyways | |
| <etank> I learned what I know of linux from a guy that kept giving me harder and harder challenges | |
| <evilgold> so you got no room for a spare linux partition? | |
| <evilgold> Yeah, I had a mix of that, and just wanting to do things myself | |
| <etank> that was me too | |
| <evilgold> Like yesterday i was trying to setup a jabberd server | |
| <etank> i wanted ( and still do ) know what was going on behind the scenes | |
| <evilgold> yeah its nice | |
| <etank> how do you add accounts to your jabber setup? | |
| <etank> I set up a jabber server at the last place I worked. | |
| <evilgold> well i think ejabberd has a web interface | |
| <etank> had to write a python script to manage the users. | |
| <evilgold> well all i had to do was use gaim | |
| <evilgold> and click REGISTER | |
| <evilgold> lol | |
| <evilgold> I was actually wondering how to for a while | |
| <evilgold> its really easy tho | |
| <evilgold> the thing that messed me up is that it doesnt work outside of my network | |
| <etank> we wanted control who could use the server so we set it up so that we had to create an account for the user | |
| <etank> they could not just register | |
| <evilgold> yeah that would take some messing around | |
| <evilgold> I dont care since its more of a because i can project for me | |
| <etank> we turned off all chat / IM ports to the outside world | |
| <evilgold> I have no purpose for it, becuase i have gtalk | |
| <etank> but we wanted the teams to be able to chat internally with each other | |
| <evilgold> I'm just learning it to help administer my friends gentoo box | |
| <evilgold> since his jabbers been down quite a while | |
| <evilgold> and everyone moved on to gtalk | |
| <evilgold> But i want one that has the aim crossover, so thats what im eventually going to setup | |
| <evilgold> and then ditch my aim account | |
| <etank> bkingx: how is the uninstall going | |
| <bkingx> slow but steady | |
| <bkingx> OK..just finished | |
| <bkingx> Whew....now what? | |
| <evilgold> okay now uninstall windows | |
| <evilgold> and install ubunut | |
| <evilgold> lol | |
| <evilgold> :-p | |
| <bkingx> LOL... | |
| <etank> reboot the vm | |
| <evilgold> no seriosly do it | |
| <bkingx> Rebooting! | |
| <evilgold> i'll give you a dollar | |
| <bkingx> send it over!!! | |
| <etank> will you give me a dollar if i do it? | |
| <evilgold> sure | |
| <etank> ok then. done. | |
| <etank> did it about 2 years ago | |
| <evilgold> haha | |
| <evilgold> I did about 3 | |
| <evilgold> i guess more like 2 1/2 right now | |
| <evilgold> I think that was when ubuntu first came out | |
| <evilgold> anyways | |
| <evilgold> so what are we doing here, trying to install ubuntu on a VM, and not use a GUI? | |
| <etank> that was in october of 2004 right | |
| <etank> no | |
| <etank> he installed server version of 6.10 | |
| <etank> then installed X | |
| <evilgold> yeah, i installed FC2 whenever that came out | |
| <etank> now trying to remove X | |
| <evilgold> why? | |
| <etank> cause | |
| <bkingx> lol | |
| <etank> less overhead | |
| <evilgold> well if you want a CLI | |
| <evilgold> you can ssh to one of the many PCs over here | |
| <evilgold> probably be a lot faster too | |
| <etank> over where?? | |
| <evilgold> but if you want to run X, and thats what you plan on doing most of the time, dont bother disabling xdm, it will save you 10 seconds at most | |
| <evilgold> my apartment lol | |
| <evilgold> evilgold.net | |
| <evilgold> i was half kidding | |
| <evilgold> but i mean if thats what you want | |
| <evilgold> you dont need to waste disk space | |
| <evilgold> i'll just make a shell account | |
| <bkingx> here was the thought | |
| <bkingx> I want to play with drupal, installed on ubuntu server | |
| <bkingx> but since i am not savvy with cli, i wanted a desktop to do some setup. | |
| <etank> so then just leave x running then | |
| <bkingx> but i wanted to do this at will, starting x when i needed it | |
| <bkingx> saving on resources | |
| <evilgold> its not worth it really | |
| <evilgold> you may as well leave X running | |
| <evilgold> you could use xdm instead of gdm | |
| <evilgold> that would speed things up by a second or 2 | |
| <evilgold> but if you really want to, just do like i did and use bum | |
| <evilgold> I just did it on one of my kubuntu boxes | |
| <evilgold> then if you want you just type startx | |
| <evilgold> or sudo gdm | |
| <evilgold> but you'll have some problems if you use startx | |
| <evilgold> at least with gnome | |
| <evilgold> like automounts | |
| <evilgold> probably wont work | |
| <bkingx> hmmm | |
| <evilgold> which means you'll need to open a terminal every time you wanna change CDs | |
| <evilgold> so basically, its best to just leave gdm, or at least xdm running | |
| <bkingx> Sounds like that is the answer then | |
| <bkingx> So aptitude install ubuntu-desktop? | |
| <evilgold> i would say, if you want to be resource light, get a nice lightweight window manager | |
| <evilgold> like fluxbox or icewm | |
| <evilgold> login time is about the same as with a CLI for those, provided your not on a 486 | |
| <evilgold> i would go for xubuntu-desktop | |
| <bkingx> login time is not really a concern...it will be running all the time. | |
| <evilgold> in a vm? | |
| <bkingx> yrah | |
| <bkingx> yeah...vm | |
| <etank> xfce is also a good light weight desktop | |
| <bkingx> OK...gotta take the kids to the store. | |
| <etank> do a sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop | |
| <bkingx> OK...I'll kick that off and check on it when I get back | |
| <bkingx> Thanks a bunch guys!! | |
| <evilgold> yep | |
| <evilgold> isnt feisty in a development freeze now? | |
| <etank> dont know | |
| <etank> herd 4 just released | |
| <evilgold> seems like every day i have like 50 updates | |
| <evilgold> yeah thats usally when they freeze it | |
| <etank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | |
| <evilgold> meh | |
| <evilgold> so you check out seamlessrdp? | |
| <evilgold> i got my tax program running off it, so nice :-) | |
| <etank> never seen it | |
| <evilgold> well you know how parallels has that thing it can do where windows programs inigrate perfectly with the desktop | |
| <evilgold> like as if they where run nativly and not on a vm | |
| <etank> yep | |
| <evilgold> Im pretty sure thats the same thing that im doing | |
| <evilgold> except im not using a VM | |
| <evilgold> could do that too | |
| <evilgold> with qemu | |
| <evilgold> just dont really want to waste the space | |
| <etank> I like virtualbox | |
| <evilgold> yeah i dont really have a use for emulation x86 boxes | |
| <evilgold> since i have 10 of them | |
| <etank> i do | |
| <evilgold> I can pretty much screw around as much as i want | |
| <evilgold> though feisty has some nice features for virtualization | |
| <etank> that is really the kernel that has that | |
| <etank> if you have the right kind of cpu | |
| <evilgold> thats what i mean | |
| <evilgold> the feisty kernel | |
| <evilgold> as apposed to older one | |
| <evilgold> but yeah | |
| <evilgold> thats true | |
| <evilgold> well looks like i got a new xorg today | |
| <evilgold> just now | |
| <etank> i would have to get a new machine for it to matter to me very much | |
| <etank> i like what i see in feisty so far though | |
| <evilgold> yeah my newest CPUs are pentium Ds | |
| <evilgold> i dont know if they support it or not | |
| <etank> i have a full P4 in my laptop | |
| <etank> drains the battery like crazy | |
| <evilgold> yeah | |
| <evilgold> i have one in my thinkpad | |
| <evilgold> and actally my other laptop has a mobile athlon 64 | |
| <evilgold> which is a little better but not much | |
| <evilgold> i cant wait to get a core2 one | |
| <etank> me too | |
| <evilgold> hopefully by next month i can afford one from system76 | |
| <etank> they do have some sweet machines | |
| <evilgold> I'll probably buy one with a celeron and upgrade it when the core2s go under $200 | |
| <evilgold> they are probably the easiest laptops to upgrade |