<GazzaK> a la flambe?

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<Seeker`> GazzaK: I was making stir fry, and i poured sake on, then lit it

<GazzaK> yum yum

<GazzaK> best use of sake eva

<Seeker`> yep

<Seeker`> its not that nice to drink

<Seeker`> well, the £6 stuff from tesco isn't

* X3N is buzzing

* txwikinger is back from LUG meet

<Seeker`> txwikinger: where?

<txwikinger> Birmingham

* Seeker` wants to go to a lug meet

<popey> Seeker`: come to mine! :)

<Seeker`> popey: When? Where?

<Seeker`> my battery is going to die soon

<popey> morning all

<Bobbi_Cat> well hello - i was hoping for support but i see i'm in the wrong channel

<popey> you are?

<popey> depends what kind of support really :)

<popey> how can we help Bobbi_Cat

<Bobbi_Cat> i have a confession - i'm a linux noob

<popey> Welcome!

<Bobbi_Cat> i have installed kubuntu on a couple of pc's

<Bobbi_Cat> first tried linux about three weeks ago

<popey> wow - real newbie :)

<popey> having problems?

<Bobbi_Cat> i thought i had ironed out most of the problems i'd been having

<Bobbi_Cat> then i spotted something in forgive me - i'm in windows right now - i can't remember the application

<Bobbi_Cat> system settings

<Bobbi_Cat> pretty sure it was in there

<Bobbi_Cat> i was following a tutorial by on website called psychocats

<Bobbi_Cat> mounting windows partitions

<popey> right

<Bobbi_Cat> everything seemed to go fine

<Bobbi_Cat> i checked out the look of it all in system settings

<popey> Top tip of the day:- visit http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and search in the top right *first* before using google or trusting 3rd party websites :)

<Bobbi_Cat> where you can see partition info

<popey> the psychocats site is good, but the official documentation should be the first port of call

<popey> ok, sounds good so far

<Bobbi_Cat> and it told me swap file wasn't enabled - i presume that means it isn't mounted

<Bobbi_Cat> i did a little searching and found that this had been a reported bug

<popey> interesting

<Bobbi_Cat> i just did a fresh install on another machine here and it is reporting the same

<popey> what size hard disk are you installing on?

<Bobbi_Cat> 40 gig with nothing but linux on it

<popey> thats odd

<Bobbi_Cat> well nothing but kubuntu

<popey> during the install it should tell you what partitions it creates, usually just one big one for data, and one swap part

<Bobbi_Cat> i set up partitions manually on the way through the install process

<popey> ahhh

<popey> why? did you have some specific partitioning scheme you wanted?

<Bobbi_Cat> i made three partitions

<Bobbi_Cat> root home and swap

<Bobbi_Cat> root and home mounted ok

<popey> you can manually enable swap temporarily using "sudo swapon -a"

<popey> but it wont be permanent

<Bobbi_Cat> perhaps i'd be better having this conversation in kubuntu

<popey> sounds like there might be something wrong with the swap part - did you set it to be a swap "type"? rather than ext3?

<popey> no, not really

<popey> ubuntu is the same as kubuntu as far as swap goes :)

<Bobbi_Cat> yup - i set swap and home and also root using the drop down menu in the partitioner

<popey> there is a file called /etc/fstab which should have the partitions listed

<Bobbi_Cat> i'm in windows at moment

<Bobbi_Cat> i been playing with that

<Bobbi_Cat> to no avail

<popey> it really shouldn't need much playing

<Bobbi_Cat> tried editing it

<Bobbi_Cat> let me swap operating systems

<Bobbi_Cat> brb

<popey> you could install kparted, and use it (nice graphical tool) to delete and re-create the swap partition

<Bobbi_Cat> i can do that in kubuntu?

<popey> yes

<popey> kparted is an installable tool

<Bobbi_Cat> i tried editing it in the system advanced utility

<Bobbi_Cat> ok

<popey> dont think kubuntu has it by default, but i may be wrong

<Bobbi_Cat> i'll get into kubuntu

<popey> i dont run kde

<popey> ok

<Bobbi_Cat> brb

<bobbicat> popey - strange happenings on the way in

<popey> heh

<bobbicat> before i got to graphic screens it said swap file enable and did a forced check on hdb1 and hdb2

<popey> nice :)

<bobbicat> i just checked swap in system settings and it still says disabled

<bobbicat> you think it might be giving a false report?

<popey> open a konsole..

<bobbicat> terminal?

<popey> yes

<bobbicat> opened

<popey> grep swap /etc/fstab

<bobbicat> grep swp /etc/fstab

<popey> that's "swap" with an "a"

<bobbicat> and in right window eh?

<popey> always a bonus

<GazzaK> hehe

<bobbicat> UUID=1a28edee-1036-4aab-b634-c13f409800a7 none swap sw 0 0

<bobbicat> lol

<popey> looks good

<bobbicat> how can we tell if its mounted?

<popey> run top

<popey> in the top left you will see next to "Swap" a number

<popey> is it zero or non-zero?

<bobbicat> i don't understand

<popey> in the terminal

<popey> type

<popey> top

<popey> then press enter

<bobbicat> ok

<bobbicat> top

<bobbicat> lol

<bobbicat> 0k

<bobbicat> 0k total

<bobbicat> 0k used

<bobbicat> 0k free

<bobbicat> 1831096 cached

<popey> look at the line "Swap:"

<bobbicat> that was line swap

<popey> ok

<popey> press "q" to quit top

<popey> then do:-

<bobbicat> done

<popey> run:-

<popey> sudo swapon -a

<bobbicat> type in 'run'

<bobbicat> ?

<popey> no

<popey> sudo swapon -a

<bobbicat> sudo swapon -a

<bobbicat> ok

<popey> run top again

<popey> any swap now?

<bobbicat> swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/1a28edee-1036-4aab-b634-c13f409800a7: No s uch file or directory

<popey> erk

<bobbicat> hmm

<bobbicat> should be /dev/hdb3?

<popey> not any more - it uses uuid now

<popey> to identify partitions

<bobbicat> right

<bobbicat> well i changed windows partitions to /dev/hda*

<bobbicat> would that mess things up?

<bobbicat> following that psychocats tutorial

<popey> one moment - disaster at work :)

<GazzaK> yay

<bobbicat> as i say there was a bug reported but i wouldn't know if this is the same

<bobbicat> lol

<bobbicat> i'm v patient

<bobbicat> always gets there eventually

<GazzaK> hello v patient, I'm Gary, nice to meet you

<bobbicat> a little stubborn maybe

<popey> back

<bobbicat> pigheaded you might say

<bobbicat> but -

<bobbicat> ello gazza

<popey> ok, can you type this:-

<popey> dmesg > ~/dmesg.txt

<GazzaK> popey, big disaster? 2 mins to fix it :-)

<bobbicat> i'll try n hit the right window

<bobbicat> crash!

<popey> this will make a file in your home directory called dmesg.txt - open it in a text editor ..

<bobbicat> ok

<bobbicat> thta'll be kate?

<popey> yup

<bobbicat> that

<popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/ <--- copy and paste it into that big window

<popey> then tell me the URL

<popey> (this file has lots of messages that come up after you boot up - might give us a clue)

<bobbicat> k

<bobbicat> dmesg > ~dmeg.text has no effect

<popey> thats not what I typed

<mdke> ~/dmesg.txt

<popey> dmesg > ~/dmesg.txt

<popey> it wont echo anything to the screen

<bobbicat> i copy n pasted it to command line

<popey> the arrow redirects the output from that command to the file called "dmesg.txt"

<bobbicat> ok

<bobbicat> i'm off hunting home

<popey> konqueror

<popey> there should be a link there with a pretty picture of a house or something else inane

<bobbicat> yup i got the message in kate now

<popey> \o/

<bobbicat> lol

<popey> select all, copy - paste into that url

<bobbicat> then press paste?

<popey> i think you need to put a nickname

<popey> but yes, nickname, paste it in, hit the button

<bobbicat> done that

<popey> it will give you a link

<popey> cool

<popey> give us the linkypoo

<bobbicat> hmm

<bobbicat> message

<popey> hmm?

<bobbicat> You appear to be spamming the pastebin. I hate spammers so I won't let you. If you're not attempting to spam, please enable javascript so you can pass the antispam check

<popey> hehe

<popey> silly konqueror

<popey> http://pastebin.com/ try there instead

<bobbicat> but but javascript is enabled

<popey> strange

<bobbicat> http://pastebin.com/882034

<bobbicat> yup

<popey> ta

<bobbicat> thank you

<bobbicat> its now 8.38 am - i been up all night - must love this stuff

<popey> nutcase

<bobbicat> gah

<popey> welcome to the club

<popey> you have two disks in that machine?

<popey> an 80 and a 40 GB?

<bobbicat> yup

<popey> can you pastebin your /etc/fstab too?

<bobbicat> k

<bobbicat> http://pastebin.com/882038

<popey> ok, next command :)

<popey> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ > ~/uuid.txt

<bobbicat> i seem to have accumulated a few files with locks on - fstab.save files

<popey> and paste the file uuid.txt which will arrive in your home directory

<bobbicat> k

<popey> locks as in little pictures of padlocks?

<bobbicat> yup

<popey> they're quite pretty aren't they?

<popey> I like them

<popey> that just means they're read only

<popey> that under your current ID you cant change them

<popey> thats all, nothing to worry about

<bobbicat> aah forgive the ignorance of the noob

<popey> do not worry

<popey> "There are no stupid questions, only the question that has not be asked"

<popey> or something

<bobbicat> aye to be sure

<popey> \o/ It's friday!

<bobbicat> so home dirctory for the file?

<popey> yus indeedy

<bobbicat> friday?

<popey> just for your info ~/ means your home directory

<popey> yes, you know, day of the week falling almost exactly between Thursday and Saturday?

<popey> The day when some of us do even less than we do for the rest of the week.

<GazzaK> we do things the rest of the week?

* GazzaK just sits on irc

<GazzaK> :p

<bobbicat> i been off im the school bus

<bobbicat> they got hols

<bobbicat> :)))

<popey> *you* are a school bus!

<popey> blimey

<popey> good typing skills mr bus

<bobbicat> beep beep

<GazzaK> big fat rear end!!!

<popey> :)

<popey> *flash* *flash*

<GazzaK> wooo, popey flashed at me

<popey> pfft

<bobbicat> don't look plz

<popey> don't brag, everyone will want one

<GazzaK> awwwwww, my dad just emailed me a pic of my niece - awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

<popey> :)

<popey> On software freedom day last year, we were giving out Ubuntu CDs to passers by in Tottenham Court Road..

<bobbicat> http://pastebin.com/882042

<popey> ..a bus pulled up at the lights, one of my friends gave the driver an Ubuntu CD..

<popey> ..the driver said "is this that replacement for windows?"..

<popey> "Yes! That's *exactly* what it is, have a nice day!"

<popey> :)

<popey> that was a good day

<bobbicat> londoner eh - i once live in wealdstone - pretty dam close eh?

<popey> i dont actually live in london, i live in Hampshire..

<popey> but I went to london for sfd

<bobbicat> ok - xcuse accepted

<popey> ok, so where do *you* think swap should be?

<popey> /dev/hdb3?

<bobbicat> yup

<popey> ok

<popey> there is a mistake in your /etc/fstab - no idea how it got there, but it is there and needs correcting

<bobbicat> hdb2 is home

<popey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-02-16 07:58 3f6e8d9c-182f-4e8e-bab5-b564cddb62c2 -> ../../hdb3

<popey> that is what the system knows hdb3 as

<popey> UUID=1a28edee-1036-4aab-b634-c13f409800a7 none swap sw 0 0

<bobbicat> oh

<popey> that is what your fstab says

<popey> spot the problem

<popey> they not the same

<popey> so

<bobbicat> i wonder bout the other pc

<popey> did you copy the fstab from one machine to another?

<bobbicat> it must do something on install

<bobbicat> nope

<bobbicat> clean install from same cd

<bobbicat> the cd checked out ok

<popey> ok, no worries

<popey> we can fix it

<bobbicat> i'll fire it up - in case you got time later.....

<popey> sure

<bobbicat> but maybe thats asking a lot

<popey> right, do this

<popey> nah, not at all

<bobbicat> i'm ready eddy

<popey> cp /etc/fstab ~/backup_of_fstab_in_case_popey_messes_it_up

<bobbicat> lol

<bobbicat> like to get me typoing

<bobbicat> eh?

* popey is a copy/paste fan :)

<bobbicat> done

<popey> ok, next:-

<popey> sudo kate /etc/fstab

<popey> once you have kate open, change 1a28edee-1036-4aab-b634-c13f409800a7 to 3f6e8d9c-182f-4e8e-bab5-b564cddb62c2

<popey> save it

<popey> let me know when done

<bobbicat> well it done but asked for my password and fired off a ream of erroro messages

<popey> yeah, that happens :)

<bobbicat> when i entered it

<popey> yeah, thats kde for you ;)

<popey> but it is saved?

<bobbicat> u r trying to tell me something - i know it

<bobbicat> yup

<popey> sudo swapon -a

<popey> do that

<bobbicat> had to reopen command window it lost entry point somewhere

<popey> thats no problem

<popey> (for me of course)

<bobbicat> same as b4

<bobbicat> swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/1a28edee-1036-4aab-b634-c13f409800a7: No such file or directory

<popey> eh

<popey> can you edit /etc/fstab again, make sure that it doesn't say that on the swap line?

<GazzaK> http://www.kearley.net/media/Ella2.jpg awwwwwwwww

<popey> make sure you did change it to 3f6e8d9c-182f-4e8e-bab5-b564cddb62c2

<bobbicat> k

<bobbicat> i didn't - soz

<popey> phew

<bobbicat> do i have to save from kate?

<popey> did you open it with "sudo kate /etc/fstab" ?

<bobbicat> just did

<bobbicat> yup

<popey> open it again :)

<popey> make sure :0

<bobbicat> its right now

<popey> sudo swapon -a

<popey> \o/ iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's Jono!

<jono> hey

<jono> :)

<popey> :)

* popey suspects that 2.5 hours sleep last night accounts for my "zany" mood

<bobbicat> extra zany nosleep here

<bobbicat> command executed

<popey> run top

<popey> see if there is any swap

<bobbicat> ya

<bobbicat> hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

<bobbicat> i'm not advertising

<bobbicat> tho i could do with the money

<popey> you forgot something

<popey> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<bobbicat> i did?

<popey> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<bobbicat> later later

<popey> can't have a yahoo without a !!!!!!!!

<GazzaK> yahoo !

<popey> Yes! GazzaK! that's! the! ticket!

<bobbicat> swap 2040244k total

<bobbicat> 0k used

<popey> so it should work automatically on reboot now too

<bobbicat> 2040244k free

<bobbicat> i better try eh?

* popey is confident it will work

<bobbicat> now the huther machine

<popey> Confidence is high.

<popey> I repeat

<bobbicat> brb

<popey> Confidence *is* high.

<popey> </wargames>

<bobbicat> :)

<popey> Quick! Hide!

* popey hides behind (a very large) sofa.

* popey wonders if we will ever see him again

<GazzaK> did you b0rk his machine?

<popey> either that or he decided he's through with our loony bin

<popey> maybe not :)

<GazzaK> yay

<bobbicat> arghhhh

<popey> uh-oh

<bobbicat> hmmmph

<bobbicat> :(

<popey> ?

<bobbicat> system settings is telling me the uuid changed

<bobbicat> but swap isn't mounted

<popey> has system settings screwed your fstab?

<bobbicat> i really don't know

<popey> open /etc/fstab in kate

<bobbicat> on my way

<popey> what are the first 4 characters of the UUID= line for swap?

<bobbicat> 3f6e

<popey> hmm

<popey> thats right

<bobbicat> UUID=3f6e8d9c-182f-4e8e-bab5-b564cddb62c2

<bobbicat> UUID=3f6e8d9c-182f-4e8e-bab5-b564cddb62c2 none swap sw 0 0

<Seeker`> lo

<popey> can you open another terminal bobbicat ?

<bobbicat> as its you popey

<popey> \o/ preferential treatment

* popey notes that he has dropped off the number one spot on launchpad today - pepsiman is doing well with his translations

<bobbicat> wastin time helpin noobs

<popey> hehe

<bobbicat> i just dunno

<popey> its what I do best :0

<bobbicat> terminal open

<popey> type the following line:-

<popey> file /dev/hdb3

<jayteeuk> Morning all.

<bobbicat> block special (3/67)

<bobbicat> = unknown command

<popey> ok

<popey> sudo swapon -a

<popey> does it enable it okay?

<bobbicat> i'll try it

<popey> a good test would be to boot, then open a termninal and see if it mounts okay, and then run system settings and see if its that that unmounts it

<Seeker`> popey: Can I have some help when you are free

<popey> <voice style="John Inman">I'm freee!</voice>

<bobbicat> ok

<Seeker`> my wireless is still playing up :S

<Seeker`> Its acx, I changed the firmware version it was using

<bobbicat> how do i know if its mountedapart from system settings?

<jayteeuk> Cue some strung-out line about popey, free beer or something.

<popey> bobbicat: run top is the easiest way

<popey> i.e.

<popey> 1. reboot

<Seeker`> now it seems able to connect periodically, but then it dies quite rapidly, and in dmesg i get the error "acx: got IV_ICV_Failure IRQ(s)"

<popey> 2. open a terminal

<bobbicat> o yes i got it

<popey> 3. run top - note if swap is enabled

<popey> if it is:-

<popey> 4. open system settings

<popey> 5. ???

<popey> 6. profit!

<bobbicat> swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/3f6e8d9c-182f-4e8e-bab5-b564cddb62c2: Device or resource busy

<popey> is it already enabled?

<bobbicat> response to swapon command

<popey> mine says that if its already enabled

<popey> check it with..

<popey> swapon -s

<bobbicat> i'll see

<bobbicat> Priority

<bobbicat> /dev/hdb3 partition 2040244 0 -1

<popey> good, that means its enabled

<popey> thats the best way to check

<popey> forget I ever mentioned top

<popey> it was a silly idea :)

<bobbicat> so its system settings giving a false negative?

<Seeker`> no second thoughts, lets not go to camelot. it is a silly place.

<popey> well it could be system settings is remembering something?

<popey> incorrectly, yes, as you say

<bobbicat> so could it be reset

<popey> i would guess so

<popey> but i do not know how

<bobbicat> maybe uninstall it?

<popey> nah

<popey> it will be in some config file somewhere

<bobbicat> gawd rummaging in the depths

<popey> try this :-

<bobbicat> wait a mint

<bobbicat> i'll try this on other pc

<popey> grep -R 1a28edee ~/

<popey> do that and it will tell you all files in your home directory containing that portion of the wrong UUID

<popey> might be some file buried in a .kde directory somewhere

<bobbicat> k

<popey> a file that could do with a damn good british kicking

<bobbicat> well it produced much bumf

<popey> good, good :)

<bobbicat> lol

<popey> run it again like this;-

<bobbicat> most of it is this conversation

<popey> grep -R 1a28edee ~/ > ~/grepresults.txt

<popey> and you will get a nice .txt file you could pastebin :)

<bobbicat> ok

<bobbicat> where should file be?

<bobbicat> i can't se it

<bobbicat> see

<popey> in your home

<popey> have you looked down the side of the sofa?

<popey> perhaps under the magazines on the side?

<popey> I bet its in the kitchen drawer with all those keys and dead batteries.

<bobbicat> well i'm thinkin someone grabbed it while i wasn't lookin

<bobbicat> i'm just paranoid

<popey> heh

<bobbicat> i've run it again

<bobbicat> and i've got kate bouncing up and down on my pointer

<popey> o_O

<popey> Aren't *you* the lucky one.

<popey> I just get gnomes bouncing around on mine

<bobbicat> aah shes arrived with a big red cross

<bobbicat> grepresults zilch

<popey> .txt

<bobbicat> just a red cross in front of them

<bobbicat> the file looked strange

<bobbicat> it had a pencil on it

<bobbicat> the rest of the files show text

<bobbicat> it is a dot text file though

<popey> is the file not there?

<popey> if you browse in konqueror?

<bobbicat> it appears to have no contents

<bobbicat> but the red cross indicates malfunction?

<jayteeuk> Doesn't the red cross indicate you don't have permission to read it?

<bobbicat> the file is a small square with a picture of a pencil on it

<bobbicat> could be

<jayteeuk> Did you run grep as root perhaps?

<bobbicat> i clicked the red cross in kate

<bobbicat> it says that the file has been modified by another program

<bobbicat> and it gives me options

<bobbicat> reload ignore overwrite cancel or view difference

<bobbicat> by the way it calls the file triple forward slash home/bob/grepresults.txt

<bobbicat> is triple forward slash ok syntax?

<jayteeuk> That sounds like a URI.

<bobbicat> hmm

<bobbicat> i'll press view difference eh?

<jayteeuk> In the same way that you type http:// into a web browser, I think the convention for files on the local filesystem is file:///...

<jayteeuk> I think you want to reload the file.

<bobbicat> oh the message with these options has an exclamation mark in a red and yellow triangle

<jayteeuk> I think all that's happened is you had the file open in kate, then re-ran the grep command.

<Seeker`> jayteeuk: I think you are right: "file://" is the protocol and "/x/y/z" is the path

<bobbicat> viewing difference just shows me another empty file

<bobbicat> i'll go for reload

<bobbicat> now it tells me it isn't possible to read from this file

<jayteeuk> bobbicat: Do you still have that terminal window open?

<bobbicat> this is getting well away from the actual problem

<bobbicat> yup jay

<jayteeuk> Can you paste the output of the following:

<jayteeuk> ls -l ~/grepresults.txt

<bobbicat> we been there already but ok

<bobbicat> i think my memories getting used up - applications opening slowly now

<bobbicat> -rw-r--r-- 1 bob bob 19878694912 2007-02-16 09:56 /home/bob/grepresults.txt

<bobbicat> everything is slowing up

<jayteeuk> Sorry, don't mean to try and teach you to suck eggs... just trying to get an accurate picture of what's going on.

<bobbicat> that was the output

<jayteeuk> Ah, that looks like a pretty large file.

<jayteeuk> Which may explain the system slowing down and Kate not opening the file.

<bobbicat> its fine jay - i'm a noob at linux - three weeks is my experience

<bobbicat> i'm not to hot at dos either

<bobbicat> *too

<jayteeuk> Me neither. :-P

<bobbicat> shall i reboot?

<bobbicat> did you get my problem?

<jayteeuk> I'm wondering if Kate is still trying to load that file. Can you close Kate?

<bobbicat> already closed

<jayteeuk> Ah, OK.

<bobbicat> i'm just trying to free resources

<jayteeuk> I gather you're having swap problems?

<jayteeuk> THe UUID of your swap partition getting changed?

<bobbicat> i suspect my swap file is not mounted but it might just be that system settings is reporting falsely

<bobbicat> i'm not at all sure

<bobbicat> i got two machines here both showing the same

<popey> the fstab was wrong

<popey> we corrected it

<bobbicat> the other one has only just been intstalled a coupla days ago

<jayteeuk> FWIW my swap decided to disable itself a few weeks ago too -- the UUID changed in fstab.

<popey> useful to know

<jayteeuk> I corrected it and it hasn't happened since. No idea what caused it.

<popey> its probably not something you did then bobbicat

<bobbicat> i'm not sure when this started here

<bobbicat> i bet it is

<bobbicat> but the other machines virginal and untouched

<bobbicat> its got the same disease tho

<bobbicat> i reckon its been like this since it was installed

<bobbicat> i just never noticed

<bobbicat> i have reinstalled a few times on this machine

<bobbicat> but the other one has only had one install

<bobbicat> and they are both installed to their own drive

<bobbicat> each has a 40 gig drive devoted to kubuntu

<jayteeuk> And swapon -s showed that the swap was mounted, yes?

<bobbicat> i'll run it again - but yes

<bobbicat> i could run it on the other machine too

<jayteeuk> OK, so the immediate problem of not having any swap is solved... it's just a question of what caused the change.

<bobbicat> yup

<bobbicat> and why does system settings report it as disabled?

<jayteeuk> I wonder if anyone else has had a similar problem... I'll have a look in launchpad.

<bobbicat> its been a bug

<bobbicat> but they were associating it with hibernation

<bobbicat> hibernation is something i never use

<bobbicat> well i just ran swapon -s on the other machine and its giving me the same type of reading

<bobbicat> i'll try top

<bobbicat> top looks good as well

<bobbicat> and thats with no resetting or any action taken

<bobbicat> swapon on this machine tells me 17668 used now

<bobbicat> so it sounds like it working fine?

<popey> if swapon -s suggests you have any, thats good

<popey> if none, thats bad

<jayteeuk> Well that's good, the swap space is indeed working.

<bobbicat> the other machine says none but its just botted and not been used

<bobbicat> booted

<bobbicat> i'll look in system settings and see if that has n effect

<bobbicat> an

<GazzaK> mine says used = 0, but that might be due to 2gb ram

<bobbicat> boastin again - i'm humbly at 512k

<bobbicat> well system settings says its disabled

<bobbicat> swapon -s says its being used

<bobbicat> so i reckon its just system settings giving a false reading

<bobbicat> a relief if thats all it is

<jayteeuk> It does look that way.

<bobbicat> i'll do the same on the other machine

<jayteeuk> Check your fstab after you leave system settings though. :)

<bobbicat> then i'll reboot and repeat

<jayteeuk> Make sure it hasn't changed.

<bobbicat> fstab is unaltered

<jayteeuk> OK, that's good.

<jayteeuk> Well, insofar as your swap should still work after a reboot. Not so helpful in tracking down the cause of the change.

<rece> hello ppl!

<rece> just installed ubuntu and now I don't get a choice between a winxp/ubuntu boot

<rece> i had better explain that better! but first can anyone help me before i fill the screen with my probs!

<bobbicat> v strange but i'll reboot and check it out again jay

<bobbicat> brb

<jayteeuk> Fingers crossed. :)

* rece takes a ticket, sits in the waiting lounge and reads a magazine

<jayteeuk> rece: We can but try. Ask away and we'll see what we can do.

<rece> thankyou

<rece> right...

* rece takes a deep breath

<rece> the thing is that I installed ubuntu first thinking "I want to wipe the hd anyway and i need to partition it to do a dual boot, make sence but now i wish i hadn't!

<popey> you can resize the ubuntu partition up to take up the spare space if that helps?

<schwuk> It's official: http://vig.prenhall.com/catalog/academic/product/0,1144,0132354136,00.html

<rece> now ubuntu is installed and am using it now to chat here, i have installed winxp on what i believe to be the second of 3 partitions (20GB in size on a lappy with a 40gb hdd)

<popey> rece: you want to delete xp?

<rece> i have restored the grub to get back ubuntu on boot but it dosen't seem to give me a option/menu to select which os i want at boot-up

* rece pants heavily

<popey> rece: it counts down, press ESC during that countdown to get the menu..

<rece> i get 3 options, none of which says anything similar to start xp

<jayteeuk> Nice schwuk. :)

<rece> kernal (std), kernal (safemode), memtest

<popey> seen this rece https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto ?

<popey> it explains how grub works

<rece> i printed out one from ...

<rece> where's that print-out!

<rece> anyway, i printed one out that got me back to ubuntu

<popey> rece: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows also - especially the troubleshooting section

<popey> rece: you need to enable the lines for windows - which is outlined on that page

<rece> will it get me a dual boot menu? (or at least guidelines?)

<popey> yes

<rece> o i c

<rece> ta brb

<schwuk> jayteeuk:thanks

<jayteeuk> I never did get my bootable FreeDOS USB key working. :S

<jayteeuk> Otherwise I would have contributed a recipe.

<jayteeuk> wb bobbicat.

<bobbicat> :)

<popey> well done schwuk

<bobbicat> thanks for the help jay n popey

<popey> how much did you have to do, to get your name on that?

<popey> no probs bobbicat

<bobbicat> don't think we solved any problems but you put my mind at rest

* jayteeuk won't take credit for popey's work. :)

<popey> hah

<bobbicat> the only problem seems to be the system settings program

<bobbicat> and i know i can safely ignore that now

<popey> it may well be fixed in a future update bobbicat

<popey> have you applied all necessary updates?

<bobbicat> should i report it?

<popey> do your updates first

<bobbicat> yup i'm well updated

<popey> :)

<popey> search for a bug report first

<popey> you are unlikely to be the first to experience this

<bobbicat> i think its a recognised install problem that isn't actually a problem per se

<bobbicat> i did see some stuff but the advice was convoluted and different according to what you read and where

<popey> that happens

<bobbicat> which is why i wanted someone to talk me through it

<bobbicat> i think you both did an admirable job

* txwikinger is looking for something to do after translating the last parts of the UWN

<schwuk> popey: thanks

<schwuk> popey: I had to buy Jono lots of drinks :)

<bobbicat> so perhaps i should now leave you in peace

<medders> mornin' all

<rece> erm, hello?

<bobbicat> to peruse the blue/brown screen

<rece> i think i need a hand

<bobbicat> i'll chop off a few hands and throw em rec's way

<bobbicat> ello medders

<rece> this is the guide i used to get grub back but i've tried it twice already

<rece> apart from editing the menu.lst file

<popey> thats what you need rece :)

<popey> edit menu.lst, run update-grub

<bobbicat> thanks again popey n jayteeuk

<popey> in a nutshell

<popey> have fun bobbicat

<bobbicat> will most certainly will

<bobbicat> bfn - til my next insurmountable problem

<popey> (s)he was/is nice

<rece> can't use gedit cos it won't let me enter a password to get permission!

<mumperer> Hi :)

<jayteeuk> Another satisfied customer.

<jayteeuk> It's a shame we didn't get to the bottom of the problem though.

<popey> rece: ALT+F2, then type "gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" (without the quotes)

<jayteeuk> A lot of people wouldn't be so patient.

<rece> ALT+F2 gives me a terminal window right?

<medders> what was his problem? I missed the first bit of that

<popey> screwy fstab medders

<medders> ah

<medders> that happened to me recently

<popey> heheh

<jayteeuk> That's three of us.

<medders> for some reason hdb2 turned to sdb2, or something like that. I can't quite remember now

<popey> in his case the UUID changed

<jayteeuk> Sounds like a different problem.

<rece> o i c, ta

<medders> most likely :)

<jayteeuk> To be honest, I didn't think any more of it after I'd corrected it.

<medders> same

<tsmithe> medders, it's the transistion to libata

<tsmithe> dunno why they needed to make it change device names though, but using UUIDs is a good way to fix i guess

<medders> tsmithe: was that in one of the feisty upgrade?

<medders> that makes sense

* tsmithe thought it was in the edgy upgrade, but meh

* jayteeuk is running Edgy.

<medders> it might be, it only happened to me fairly recently on feisty though

<medders> i havn't run edgy in a while to be fair

* jayteeuk notes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/79327

<tsmithe> bugbot!

<tsmithe> bug 79327

<tsmithe> :S

<tsmithe> i'll just have to open it then!

* popey updated his edgy mirror last night

<popey> a good way to test my new soooper fast cable connection

<tsmithe> pah

<tsmithe> @lart popey

* medders pokes bugbot

<tsmithe> !list

<popey> @smite tsmithe

<popey> !no

* tsmithe sends for the pirates

<Ermie> Gday Mr Pope - Norf-ubu here in disguise.... Cheers for the help yesterday, Ndiswrapper working fine (it was the installed driver that was conflicting BCM43XX is duff!) and now netword between the two!

* medders sends for Dr McNinja

* popey sends for the BSA and FACT

<popey> wooooot Ermie

<tsmithe> Don't copy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4

* apokryphos looks angrily at bugbot

<tsmithe> apokryphos, fix it! :P

<apokryphos> all the bots have been misbehaving recently

<apokryphos> hence also ubotu not being here

<jayteeuk> It's a conspiracy.

<popey> bad bot!

<popey> no biscuit!

<jayteeuk> They're planning a rebellion.

* popey joins the rebel alliance

<medders> they've finally found the way around the 3 laws

* popey hums John Williams tunes

* popey laughs in the face of the 3 laws

<bugbot> New on planetuk: Dave Murphy: Keeping Quiet Reason #1 <http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/2/16/keeping-quiet-reason-1>

<apokryphos> @reload Bugtracker

<bugbot> apokryphos: The operation succeeded.

<apokryphos> bug 79327

<bugbot> Malone bug 79327 in udev "[Feisty] edgy->feisty upgrade not updating fstab correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79327

<jayteeuk> What speen is your connection popey?

<jayteeuk> s/speen/speed

<popey> 10Mb/s

<popey> they are trialling 20, 50 and 100 soon :)

<jayteeuk> And do you actually get close to that?

<rece> right, i've made changes to menu.list, can sum1 check it before i reboot incase i've made a mistake?

<popey> yup :)

<jayteeuk> Cool.

<popey> rece: have you run update-grub?

<popey> it will tell you if there are errors :)

<popey> (sometimes)

<rece> er, haven't run update grub

<popey> you need to or rebooting will have no difference

<popey> sudo update-grub

<rece> don't know how to recover if it does give me errors!! :P

* jayteeuk is on NTL Business and should be getting upgraded from 768K to 4M soon.

<popey> well that will depend on the errors wont it rece ? :)

<popey> gwan, run it

<rece> i just want 2 b sure and avoid a linux version of the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH! (AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!)

<popey> there is no such thing

<popey> well

<popey> there is

<popey> kernel oops / panic

<rece> lol

<popey> seriously, you need to run update-grub

<rece> panic!!

<popey> have confidence

<rece> now i'm scared!!!

<rece> lol

<popey> it wont break

<popey> (much)

<popey> it wont make your computer explode

<popey> it will check the menu.lst and update the boot sector

<popey> not much more than that

<rece> well, i've done the update-grub but...

<rece> i'd like sum1 2 check my menu.lst

<rece> better safe than sry!

<popey> whats the output of running update-grub?

<popey> can you paste it on a pastebin?

<rece> pastebin?

<popey> http://pastebin.com/

<popey> paste, type your name, hit send

<popey> give us the URL

<rece> # titleWindows 95/98/NT/2000

<rece> # root(hd0,0)

<rece> # makeactive

<rece> # chainloader+1

<popey> nooooooo

<rece> lol

<popey> dont paste here

<popey> !paste

<rece> can't i just send file?

<popey> can't you just paste it at http://pastebin.com/ ?

<rece> ok ok gimme a sec

<popey> the whole file

<tsmithe> paste.ubuntu-nl.org !!!!111!

<popey> and also pastebin the result of running update-grup

<popey> tsmithe: that was bitching earlier at someone else

<tsmithe> oh

<popey> so i used pastebin instead

<tsmithe> but it's so much more ajaxy and /me finds it quicker too

<popey> tsmithe, please

<rece> u no i'm too old 2 b learning new stuff!! lol

<tsmithe> popey, sorries :S

<popey> you seem to think i do things all the wrong way for a laugh or something

<popey> I didn't just step off the banana boat

<medders> I did

* popey hands medders a banana

<popey> welcome

* tsmithe looks up banana boat

<medders> \o/

<popey> a.k.a. landed in a spaceship

<popey> a.k.a. born yesterday

<popey> i.e. just arrived

<tsmithe> mmhmm

<mumperer> Interesting, that little exchange. Old residents of Cardiff might define "just come off the banana boat" in relation to West Indian stowaways and their "innocence" ... :'(

<popey> yes

<popey> thats exactly what i meant by it

<mumperer> popeye - salute! :)

<medders> http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/arrival_03.shtml

<rece> err, ne1 tell me y da hell pastebin.com tried 2 send me the pastebin.php file?

<popey> heheh

<rece> http://pastebin.com/882218

<rece> that's what i've done but dunno if its right, or if it will fry my lappy if it is wrong!

<popey> you put windows first, before ubuntu in the list

<medders> rece: I like the name of your laptop :)

<popey> windows will be the default OS when you power up

<popey> is that what you want rece ?

<rece> when it boots past the bios, i get the msg "If it ain't broke, it ain't mine!" lol

<popey> ah, no forgive me

<popey> ubuntu, then windows, then recover, then memtest

<popey> it will boot to ubuntu first

<medders> i'll be back shortly

<popey> missing you already medders !

<rece> yeh that's right

* medders hugs popey

<popey> rece: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/hda"

<rece> ubunutu is hda0,0, winxp is hda0,1 and swap is hda0,3

<popey> er, thats probably "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda"

<popey> ahh, cool

<popey> if you are happy with that then go for gold

<popey> where gold means reboot

<rece> lol

<rece> i'll have to find a Gold Ubuntu Theme just 4 u!! loll

<popey> well it kinda is gold

<popey> a dirty gold

<popey> a.k.a. brown

<rece> ok, (hopefully) i'll be right back! pray for me!

<jayteeuk> Fingers crossed. :)

* popey prays to Mark Shuttleworth

* rece crosses fingers, toes and anything he can find! (ouch!)

<jayteeuk> Funny, we all used to pray to popey.

<popey> bless you

<mumperer> I'm praying to Elsie Frunt ...

<popey> now jayteeuk, step into my boothe, confession time

<jayteeuk> I have no sins to confess father.

<popey> Step outside, and say 3 "Hail Jonos"

<popey> fingers crossed everyone

<jayteeuk> Even my wife is getting into the spirit. She put a luvvie-duvvie message in the form of a URL in my Valentine card.

<popey> http://do.the.damn.dishes.my.love.for.you.is.endless.com/

<jayteeuk> And said when she handed it to me that she'd forgotten the command when she wrote the card, but now she'd remembered.

<jayteeuk> "sudo gimme a kiss"

<popey> ahh, elevated privileges

<popey> nice one

<jayteeuk> Bless her.

<popey> apt-get install chocolate strawberries champagne

<jayteeuk> aptitude install beef-stroganoff summer-fruits-cheesecase beer

<jayteeuk> No package called summer-fruits-cheesecase

<jayteeuk> I never considered my wife to be at all geeky, but maybe it's getting infectious.

<jayteeuk> Either that or she's realised the only way to get through to me is to talk about computers. :)

<popey> my wife is not a comuputery person, and not a gamer, but she likes the Nintendo Wii

<popey> \o/

* rece throws dummy out of pram!

<popey> hahah

<rece> hissey fit

<popey> what happened?

<rece> it didn't find win option in menu

<constrictor> i love the nintendo wii

<constrictor> hello popey

<constrictor> hello jayteeuk

<constrictor> hello rece

<jayteeuk> Hi constrictor

<rece> ello con

<constrictor> hello medders

<popey> lunchtime

* popey goes to the chippy

<constrictor> hello tsmithe

<rece> u smaked ur self in da head wid that nunchuk control yet?

<constrictor> no but my friend smashed my lamp the other day

<constrictor> thank goodness it was not my TV

<rece> :-D

* tsmithe waves at constrictor... (i'm actually away [RL!]; don't spoil it!)

<rece> sum1 actulay did it!? i heard it on tv but that was when it was only in the us!

<constrictor> yup

<constrictor> had to go buy a new lamp

<constrictor> i loved that lamp i got it from ikea

<popey> Ikea \o/

* popey loves his ikea ovenware

<rece> what's the command to open the menu.lst file with permissions ("gksudo gedit /boot/menu.lst"?)

* popey hates actually going to Ikea

<popey> yes rece

<rece> omg!!

<rece> excuse 2 buy new lamp tho, or make ur mate buy u summut! lol

<medders> constrictor: Hi

<constrictor> yeah i was on his case for a month

<constrictor> that was the day after it was released in the UK

<rece> lol

<constrictor> i queued for 4 hours to get that

<rece> rofl

<tsmithe> (away - promise)

<rece> the path was wrong

<rece> but u new that!

<popey> oops

<constrictor> /boot/grub/menu.lst

<rece> yeah that's it

<popey> well when I said it, it was right :p

<rece> lol

<rece> well, by the looks of it, update-grub has removed the Win XP section that I added!

<popey> ahhh

<popey> yes

<rece> so can i assume that grub can see the win xp partition?

<popey> you're not supposed to edit below the line that says "dont edit below this line" are you :)

<rece> i mean can't see!

<popey> it regenerates that file doesnt it?

<popey> based on config further up

<rece> well i didn't know!! that's why I'm here! lol

<popey> :)

* popey didn't expect you to know

<popey> # alternative=true

<popey> I *think* that's it

<Seeker`> gah, the heating in my house is dead

<popey> I think you need to uncomment that

<GazzaK> Seeker`, eeek

<popey> dont bother adding the windows section, it *should* do it for you I think

<Seeker`> GazzaK: The immersion heater was leaking yesterday

<Seeker`> i'm not sure wether the two are related

<rece> let me get my fire extinguisher!

<GazzaK> oh no, get a plumber in then

* popey gets an electrician

* GazzaK gets his hammer

<Seeker`> the immersion heater was fixed yesterday

<Seeker`> the heating has been of for 45 mins or so

<Seeker`> and none of the radiators show any sign of heating up

<rece> do they need bleeding?

<GazzaK> did the plumber turn the stop cock back on?

<Seeker`> we have running hot water

<GazzaK> is it a combi boiler?

<rece> have u re-lit ur boiler?

<Seeker`> we have an immerison heater upstairs

<jayteeuk> http://pastebin.com/882230 is my /boot/grub/menu.lst

<GazzaK> rece, most boilers auto relight

<Seeker`> and a boiler downstairs

<rece> da missus re-lit our boiler but left it on pilot !

<Seeker`> i've tried turning the boiler off and on again

<rece> not mine!!

<popey> aahhh rece

<jayteeuk> There's a comment in there about adding "static boot stanzas" before and/or after the AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

<popey> looks like you need to add windows down the boottom

<rece> eh?

<jayteeuk> Yes, outside the markers.

<rece> which markes?

<jayteeuk> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

<popey> just put it right at the bottom

<jayteeuk> Yeah, what popey said.

<jayteeuk> (And no, it didn't load FreeDOS and allow flashing of BIOS!)

<rece> o i c

* rece slaps forehead

<jayteeuk> \o/ My powered by Ubuntu stickers arrived.

<jayteeuk> And they sent me six instead of four.

<constrictor> can i have one

<constrictor> where did you get those?

<constrictor> i want one

<constrictor> i want one

<constrictor> i want on

* constrictor calms down

<jayteeuk> Send a SAE to LinuxEmporium.

<Seeker`> jayteeuk: Whereabouts are you from?

<jayteeuk> Erm, I'll get you a URL constrictor. :)

<jayteeuk> Seeker`: Derby.

<jayteeuk> constrictor: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu_stickers/

<GazzaK> jayteeuk, I got a load from Jenda

<constrictor> thanks

<jayteeuk> Jenda?

<GazzaK> op on #ubuntuforums

<GazzaK> jayteeuk, are these ones nicely made?

<GazzaK> will they rub off?

<rece> http://pastebin.com/882234 so this shud work?

<jayteeuk> GazzaK: They're laminated so they shouldn't rub off.

<GazzaK> owww, me wants one :-)

<jayteeuk> They're so shiny I can't take a flash photo of them. :)

<rece> help?!

<jayteeuk> Sorry rece.

<GazzaK> jayteeuk, post me one, pleasy

<jayteeuk> I don't see a WinXP section in there.

<rece> neither do i!

<rece> udate-grub can't see my winxp partition!

<jayteeuk> Did you add it at the bottom of the file and then update-grub removed it again?

<jayteeuk> GazzaK: See URL above. :)

<rece> first time added manualy and grub rubbed it

<GazzaK> I don't want 4/6, I only want one :p

<jayteeuk> GazzaK: So get the 4/6 and give 3/5 away. :)

<rece> this time i altertered the "alternative = true" and grub still missed XP

<GazzaK> thats what I'm asking you for jayteeuk

<jayteeuk> But I don't want to give away my free stickers. :-P

<jayteeuk> rece: When you added it the first time, did you add it right at the bottom of the file?

* jayteeuk does a quick computer count.

<rece> no, i added it where i wanted it to appear in the menu

<jayteeuk> OK, you need to add it right at the bottom of the file, otherwise it'll get trashed when you run update-grub.

<GazzaK> rece, this is mine, for a boring winxp&uby dual boot install http://pastebin.com/882237

<rece> u no summut, i need 2 c the menu.lst file BEFORE update-grub has been ran!

<rece> hello?

<jayteeuk> I think GazzaK's should work rece.

<jayteeuk> Although you might need to edit your root.

* jayteeuk scrolls back.

<rece> root what?

<jayteeuk> You need to add the Windows XP section right at the bottom, like you did in http://pastebin.com/882218

<rece> eh?

<jayteeuk> Except that instead of adding it between # Unbuntu (STD) and #Ubuntu (Recovery) it needs to go right at the bottom of the file.

<rece> u mean like this http://pastebin.com/882241

<jayteeuk> http://pastebin.com/882246

<jayteeuk> Yes rece, that should work.

<rece> right, let me show u wot i got while i reboot > http://pastebin.com/882254

<rece> brb

<jayteeuk> GazzaK: http://luciphah.livejournal.com/49637.html

<popey> ubuntu wiki down for anyone else?

<jayteeuk> Looks like it.

<popey> good, not me then

<jayteeuk> Might want to get someone who's not on NTL to try. :)

<jayteeuk> I suppose now would be as good a time as any to try out the latest kernel attempt. :)

<jayteeuk> bbl

* popey isn't on NTL :)

<GazzaK> whats wrong with NTL?

<popey> well if he and I are on NTL and the wiki didn't work for us.. could be ntl

<popey> but as I am currently using my DSL connection, not my NTL one, it's not that :)

<GazzaK> awww

<GazzaK> was worried then, since I'm freshly on ntl/virgin media

* popey notes that whilst NTL 10Mb is great for downloads, playing games is awful

<popey> they do have caching proxies which can sometims go wrong

<GazzaK> even their 2mb offering is better than dsl

<GazzaK> right, should I go "work from home" this afternoon?

<popey> "yes"

<GazzaK> I'm like ten min away if they need me, but it's too boring here

<GazzaK> "okay popey" I'll go

<GazzaK> :p

<GazzaK> after a ciggie and coffee

<Mez> popey, or this channel way over here?

<popey> bah

<popey> is ubuntu-trivia only for technical questions? or general trivia?

<jayteeuk> No idea popey, but I sense another domain coming.

<popey> domain?

<jayteeuk> trivia.popey.com :)

<popey> haha

<popey> oooo, good one

<popey> one question a day

<popey> get points..

<popey> hmmmmm

<jayteeuk> See, I've set you thinking now.

<popey> damn you!

<popey> :)

<jayteeuk> Anyway... new kernel made no difference, now it's time for lunch.

<constrictor> OMG i hate windows server 2003

<constrictor> and i hate having to administer one

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<constrictor> how do you restart nautilus

<medders> killall nautilus ?

<constrictor> wicked

<constrictor> thanks

<medders> no problem :)

<constrictor> sweet

<medders> you might need to run nautilus afterwards

<jayteeuk> IIRC nautilus restarts itself if it dies.

<jayteeuk> Or I might be getting mixed up with something else.

<medders> I thought it might, or is that metacity?

<jayteeuk> Yeah, possibly.

<constrictor> i didn't

<constrictor> it just jumped back up

<constrictor> very convinient

<jayteeuk> Just been speaking to my dad, who knows a printer.

<jayteeuk> Apparently he can get 1,000 double-sided, full-colour, A4-sized leaflets printed for about PRIVMSG #ubuntu-uk :Does that sound like a good deal?

<jayteeuk> If so I might knock together some awareness leaflets.

<Seeker`> jayteeuk: for about what?

<jayteeuk> Free software in general.

<jayteeuk> What it is, how it works, etc. But for the average person in the street rather than us geeks. :)

<jayteeuk> Or as Mr Menneer wrote in the list, "the huge population of semi-bored computer-illiterates".

<spooky> hey all

<medders> hi

<spooky> man id like some help with the gcc

<spooky> can you help me?

<spooky> (sry about me english im from greece)

<spooky> ????

<spooky> ????

<spooky> ????

<Seeker`> what problem are you having/

<jayteeuk> Ask away spooky, we can try. :)

<spooky> Ok!!!!

<Seeker`> and be patient :P most people here are at work i think

<spooky> oh ok

<spooky> look

<spooky> i try to install my modem driver

<spooky> but i havent installed gcc

<spooky> so in terminal i type

<spooky> 'sudo aptitude install build-essentials

<spooky> and it ask me for a password

<spooky> so i type my pass e.x 'zisis'

<spooky> then enter

<spooky> it says me that the pass is not correct

<spooky> try again

<spooky> !

<Seeker`> are you entering your user password?

<spooky> yes

<spooky> i also try 'root'

<spooky> and 'admin'

<Seeker`> root wont work

<spooky> what should i type?

<Seeker`> it should be the password you use to log in to the computer

<jayteeuk> You need to enter the password (not username) that you use to log in to the computer.

<spooky> Oo!

<spooky> no w8

<spooky> i types my pass

<spooky> AND my username

<spooky> no work

<spooky> first try to type my username

<Seeker`> you dont need to enter your usename

<Seeker`> just the password

<spooky> and after a few tryies i typed my pass

<rece> it don't work!!!!

<spooky> yeah i know that

<spooky> thats why i try typing my pass NOT username

<spooky> that logs me into the computer

<spooky> no work to

<spooky> :(

<Seeker`> are you 100% sure you are typing it in correctly?

<spooky> yeah

<spooky> but

<spooky> sometimes

<spooky> the system dont let me type the hole pass

<spooky> LOL

<spooky> to strange..

<spooky> so

<Seeker`> what do you mean "dont let me type the whole pass"?

<rece> right!!!

<jayteeuk> spooky: How about if you type sudo aptitude install build-essentials

<rece> stupid thing!!

<spooky> i mean that it change line before i type the hole pass

<jayteeuk> You should get a dialogue box asking for your password.

<spooky> :P

<spooky> yes

<spooky> Password:

<jayteeuk> SOrry...

<spooky> i press enter

<jayteeuk> gksudo aptitude install build-essentials

<jayteeuk> My bad.

<spooky> ok i try

<spooky> see ya in a few moments

<spooky> :)

<spooky> thx

<spooky> bb

<jayteeuk> Can you install build-essentials via Synaptic?

<jayteeuk> wb rece

<rece> menu.lst file hasn't changed but i have to re-install grub after using xp!!!

<rece> hiya jay

<rece> jay, y r u in 2 different colors?

<jayteeuk> ???

* jayteeuk looks down.

<jayteeuk> My jumper is a different colour to my jeans. :)

<rece> neva mind lol

* jayteeuk looks for the camera.

<jayteeuk> Anyway... were you able to boot XP?

<rece> yeah, but had 2 re install grub 2 get ubuntu back

<jayteeuk> Ah, so XP somehow trashed grub?

<rece> yup

<jayteeuk> Nasty. :(

<rece> micro$haft!!

* jayteeuk considers the usual suspects -- antivirus, Disk Manager, Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool...?

<rece> clean install on both xp and uby

<jayteeuk> I'm not sure what to suggest... it sounds as though XP, or something within it, has overwritten your MBR.

<rece> yeah, but every time i boot in xp?!

<jayteeuk> I suppose it depends what's actually doing it.

<jayteeuk> Do you know if your BIOS offers "virus protection"?

<jayteeuk> What that usually equates to is warning you whenever something tries to write to your MBR.

<rece> nope, no mbr protection of any type is even available on this lappy!

<jayteeuk> It would be intrusive, to be honest, so it wouldn't be an ideal solution -- but it would allow us to confirm that is the problem.

<rece> i wish it was the prob but then win xp wudn't install without telling me (i think!)

* jayteeuk strokes his beard and goes "Hmmm...."

* rece smacks head off wall!

<rece> OUCH!!

<jayteeuk> Does this: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?15048 detail your problem?

<jayteeuk> Erm http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?15048#comment0 sorry.

<ziadoz> was there a kernel update last night or something? :\

<alecjw> ziadoz, there was an edgy kernel update (2.6.17-10 to 2.6.17-11) quite recently

<ziadoz> i just got it last night

<ziadoz> messed my nvidia graphics, which i managed to get sorted

<ziadoz> now im struggling with another problem

<ziadoz> The following packages have unmet dependencies.

<ziadoz> file: Depends: libmagic1 (= 4.17-2ubuntu1) but 4.19-1 is installed

<ziadoz> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.

<ziadoz> E: Unable to correct dependencies

<ziadoz> #

<jayteeuk> I noticed an update to ImageMagick this morning.

<jayteeuk> I'm guessing that's not related though.

<ziadoz> is there a way i can remove this stupid package

<jayteeuk> What Ubuntu release are you using?

<ziadoz> 6.10

<jayteeuk> My Edgy install has libmagic1 4.17-2ubuntu1

<ziadoz> it keeps giving me a broken package error

<ziadoz> and synaptic wont fix it

<jayteeuk> Have you installed any other repositories? Automatix, EasyUbuntu, anything like that?

<ziadoz> i keep getting: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.

<ziadoz> E: Unable to correct dependencies

<jayteeuk> Feisty?

<ziadoz> im just using the default repositories as far as im aware

<ziadoz> i think i have beryls repo too

* jayteeuk goes to aptitude update

<ziadoz> it wont even let me remove libmagic through synaptic

<jayteeuk> I also have the Beryl repo and I only have libmagic1 version 4.17-2ubuntu1 available.

<ziadoz> i did sudo apt-get -f install like it suggested

<ziadoz> and it removed loads of packages :|

<ziadoz> including build-essential

<ziadoz> which wont show up in the repo anymore

<jayteeuk> If you right-click on libmagic1 in Synaptic, select Properties.

<jayteeuk> In the Versions tab, what is listed there?

<ziadoz> 4.19-1(now)

<jayteeuk> It sounds like your repositories are messed up.

<ziadoz> is there a way i can remove this stupid file, and sort my repos out?

<ziadoz> i installed libmagic manually i might add :\

<jayteeuk> Ah.

<ziadoz> im guessing i got it from the feisty repo by accident

<ziadoz> i got it from packages.ubuntu

<jayteeuk> Yes, 4.19-1 is the version in Feisty. :)

<ziadoz> oops

<ziadoz> so is there a way i can remove it?

<ziadoz> synaptic wont let me do a complete removal without first fixing broken pacakges

<jayteeuk> If you click on libmagic1 in Synaptic, then go to the Package menu, is the "Force Version" option available?

<ziadoz> no, its greyed out

<jayteeuk> Hmmm... OK, let's make sure your repo list is correct first.

<jayteeuk> Click the Settings menu, and select Repositories.

<ziadoz> ok

<jayteeuk> Do you have an Ubuntu 6.10 tab?

<ziadoz> yeah

<ziadoz> all the boxes on it are checked

<jayteeuk> Good. :)

<ziadoz> in the 3rd party bit i see dapper and beryl in there

<ziadoz> dapper commicial main

<jayteeuk> I wonder if you can get rid of the Dapper one, since you're running Edgy.

<jayteeuk> Everything in main should be older than what's in the Edgy repo anyway... not sure about commercial though.

<ziadoz> ok, i unchecked dapper and reloaded synaptic

<ziadoz> now i get: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_universe_binary-i386_Packages)

<ziadoz> now i cant see any files in the repo at all

<jayteeuk> Did you click Reload, or close Synaptic and restart it?

<ziadoz> did reload

<ziadoz> but ive restarted synaptic and it works now

<jayteeuk> OK, good. :)

<ziadoz> ahh force version works now

<ziadoz> but i still cant apply the changes, it keeps saying i need to fix the broken package

<ziadoz> Could not apply changes!

<ziadoz> Fix broken packages first.

<jayteeuk> OK, you should be able to tell it to install the Edgy version 4.17-2ubuntu1

<jayteeuk> Which package is showing as broken now? file?

<ziadoz> how do i find the broken package?

<jayteeuk> I think click on the Status button and there should be a Broken option listed.

<ziadoz> if i go to status

* jayteeuk notes there is a Fix broken packages option in the Edit menu, but doesn't know if it will work.

<ziadoz> i see something called "file determines file type using magic numbers"

<ziadoz> in the broken depedancies part

<ziadoz> cant remove it with fix broken though

<jayteeuk> Right, so file is the broken package because it depends on the Edgy version of libmagic1.

<ziadoz> makes sense

<jayteeuk> We don't want to remove file, we want to get the right version of libmagic1 installed.

<ziadoz> so how can i restore the correct version of libmagic?

<khronus> lo all

<jayteeuk> But Synaptic won't let you do that?

<ziadoz> no

<khronus> im having huge trouble getting ubuntu onto a disk eror free

<ziadoz> keeps saying i need to fix broken package first

<khronus> keeps failing the defect check

<khronus> ive followed many methods, such as d/ls from a diff mirror

<khronus> burning at slow speed

<jayteeuk> Which is what we're trying to do. :S

<khronus> burning with new burner recommended by ubuntu support

<ziadoz> lol

<khronus> still no luck

<khronus> any ideas ?

<ziadoz> can i download libmagic1 from the edgy repo online and install the .deb?

<jayteeuk> Using dpkg -- probably, yes.

<ziadoz> bah, it wont let me install a .deb until i fix synaptic

<jayteeuk> You might need to force it though as it's an older version.

<ziadoz> how do i use dpkg to force this to install?

<jayteeuk> dpkg --force-downgrade -i libmagic1XXX.deb

<jayteeuk> Erm, that should be prefixed with sudo if you're not root, of course. :)

<ziadoz> ahh, it seems to be working

<ziadoz> hopefully this will solve the problem

<ziadoz> and teach me a valuable lesson :p

<jayteeuk> :-P

<jayteeuk> This is the best way to learn, IMO.

<ziadoz> im always breaking things

<jayteeuk> khronus: Get a friend to burn it for you?

<ziadoz> but i tend to learn from it

<ziadoz> synaptic isnt throwing any errors yet

<jayteeuk> That's good. :)

<ziadoz> one more problem

<ziadoz> i did apt-get -f install

<jayteeuk> Shoot.

<ziadoz> and it removed loads of packages

<ziadoz> i made a list of them all

<khronus> jayteeuk a friend has burnt it for me

<ziadoz> ive tried reinstalling them via the terminal

<ziadoz> but i get:

<ziadoz> The following packages have unmet dependencies.

<ziadoz> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.4-1ubuntu12.3) but 2.5-0ubuntu11 is to be installed

<ziadoz> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.4-1ubuntu12.3) but 2.5-0ubuntu11 is to be installed

<ziadoz> E: Broken packages

<jayteeuk> khronus: Still not working?

<khronus> ya jay, no luck at all

<khronus> stick at 22%

<khronus> stuck

<jayteeuk> ziadoz: Sounds like more conflicting versions to be honest. It thinks you're wanting to install more recent versions of lib6 (presumably also from Feisty).

<ziadoz> im forcing a downgrade now synaptic works

<jayteeuk> ziadoz: I'm more familiar with interactive aptitude than Synaptic in these situations, but I would have thought you can select the 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 version of libc6.

<jayteeuk> Either via the Versions tab in the libc6 properties or via the Force Version option in the Package menu.

<jayteeuk> No broken packages now so that ought to work without complaining. :)

<ziadoz> yeah, it seems to be working better now

<ziadoz> just gotta sort out all the packages that -f install removed now

<ziadoz> luckily i made a list of them and made one long sudo apt-get install line from them

<ziadoz> seems to be working now :)

<ziadoz> thanks for your help :)

<jayteeuk> You may find that if ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal have been removed, installing those causes some of the others to be automatically installed.

<jayteeuk> No problem. :)

<ziadoz> i was trying to install meta tracker

<ziadoz> which is why i downloaded libmagic

<ziadoz> from the wrong repo (oops)

<jayteeuk> Have I earned a cup of tea yet? :-P

<noonoo> hi everyone

<ziadoz> lol

<ziadoz> i think you've definitely earned your tea :P

<noonoo> hi could someone possibly help me with a problem?

<noonoo> anyone there?

<jayteeuk> Ask away noonoo. :)

<jayteeuk> I've just been to make the tea.

<noonoo> ok i installed ubuntu about a week ago and have lost the ability to boot to xp, all my files are there and are mounted but grub wont boot

<noonoo> i get 'error 12: invalid device request'

<jayteeuk> If I had to take an educated guess I'd suggest that maybe the wrong root is listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the WinXP partition, but I may be way off.

<noonoo> i have this

<noonoo> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS

<noonoo> # on /dev/hda5

<noonoo> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional

<noonoo> root (hd0,4)

<noonoo> savedefault

<noonoo> makeactive

<noonoo> chainloader +1

<jayteeuk> hda5 would be a logical partition, wouldn't it?

<noonoo> yep

<noonoo> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS

<noonoo> # on /dev/hda5

<noonoo> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional

<noonoo> root (hd0,4)

<noonoo> savedefault

<noonoo> makeactive

<noonoo> chainloader +1

<jayteeuk> I didn't think it was possible to boot from a logical partition... but if XP booted from it before, it must be.

<noonoo> maybe not as i had another partition which i deleted to put ubuntu on

<noonoo> i have this for the partition tables

<noonoo> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

<noonoo> /dev/hda1 2 2452 19687657+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)

<noonoo> /dev/hda2 2453 3517 8554612+ 83 Linux

<noonoo> /dev/hda3 3518 3648 1052257+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris

<noonoo> /dev/hda5 2 2452 19687626 7 HPFS/NTFS

<jayteeuk> I'm still here noonoo, just reading.

* schwuk hands noonoo a link to http://pastebin.com/

<daviey> woooohooooo, ride the waves of the flood

<jayteeuk> noonoo, did you try running update-grub already?

<jayteeuk> Actually, that's probably a silly question, the Ubuntu install process would have done that already.

<jayteeuk> You deleted a partition before installing Ubuntu, not after.

<noonoo> i deleted as i was installing, ie i told the installer to delete the partition wich was blank(ntfs) and to create the partitions fo linux

<jayteeuk> Ah, that's interesting.

<jayteeuk> So it may be that the Windows bootloader was booting from the old partition.

<jayteeuk> Is /dev/hda1 actually Windows 95?

<noonoo> possibly, i can boot of a xp disk to get to the recovery console

<noonoo> hda1 i think is a extended partiton with hda5 on that

<jayteeuk> I would have thought hda4 was the extended partition, but again I may be wrong.

<jayteeuk> I'll check on one of my machines, hang on.

<jayteeuk> Nope, you're absolutely right by the look of it.

<noonoo> if i have lost the windows boot loader i can do a fixmbr but i think ill loose grub then

<jayteeuk> Yes, that's right.

<jayteeuk> It's odd that it boots Linux fine from within an extended partition, but not XP though.

<noonoo> if i loose grub tryiong to fixmbr how can i get it back to boot back into my linux

<jayteeuk> You'd have to boot from a LiveCD.

<noonoo> ok would it be best to reinstall ubuntu after fixing xp or can i repair grub easily

<constrictor> i'm out guyus

<constrictor> guys*

<jayteeuk> Seeya constrictor.

<constrictor> bye

<jayteeuk> If you boot from a LiveCD, I think you still have the option to get a recovery mode.

<noonoo> ok ill try that, thanks

<jayteeuk> In which case I think you can get to your Ubuntu installation on /dev/hda2 and run update-grub, but I'm not sure how that would result in anything different to what you have now.

<noonoo> ok ill have another play around, and probably end up back here but ive got a bot more info now.

<noonoo> thanks for al the help

<GazzaK> yay, domino's do online orders, woooo

<daviey> GazzaK, order me one - please

<GazzaK> sorry daviey it's all ordered now

<jayteeuk> Hi LoudMouthMan. :)

<LoudMouthMan> Afternoon all, ive just got finished listening to the recent LugRadio !Isnt Mr Wallace Ubuntu UK peeson as well or do I have the brain worms !

<daviey> you may have brain works regardless ;)

<LoudMouthMan> oi !

<jayteeuk> Right, it's that time again folks.

<LoudMouthMan> what time for us to wear rubber slacks and pour custard down the front ?

<jayteeuk> Shhh.

<jayteeuk> You've seen the photos then?

<jayteeuk> Anyway, I'm off for now.

<jayteeuk> May be around later... but there's Jericho on telly, so maybe not. :)

<jayteeuk> Oh, and NCIS... with the gorgeous Pauley Perrette as Abi.

<jayteeuk> ttfn

<LoudMouthMan> jericho++ oh and dresden, bsg and hereos !

<LoudMouthMan> seeya jayteeuk

<LoudMouthMan> hello Jono .. have you restrained from throttling matt saying "are we there yet ?"

<jono> haha

* LoudMouthMan tried to get a page at the airport requesting Mr Bacon contact Mr Beard <Grin>

<jono> LoudMouthMan: yes indeed

<jono> hehe

<LoudMouthMan> but couldnt find the right place .

<GazzaK> yay, pizza

<daviey> GazzaK, share

<GazzaK> I would dcc some to you daviey but it'd get my usb port all yucky

<daviey> hmm, dcc isn't particualry reliable anyway

<daviey> i'd end up with a pizza-rolla

* Seeker` has no heating for the weekend \o/

<khronus> lo all,

<khronus> ubuntu does not come with flash and java support, and i cant see it in the package add/remove progs tool

<khronus> is it a case of d/l ing the .tar.gz

<khronus> make make instlal ?

<apokryphos> khronus: take a look at the FAQ <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions> as linked to in the channel /topic

<Seeker`> lo Lo

<Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan

* Seeker` thwacks his tab key

<LoudMouthMan> lo lo ? hahahah

<LoudMouthMan> is this something popeys team has covered yet ? or does it need it to watch it ?

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