*** Stash is now known as montgoej

<montgoej> anyone ever tried DSL or Xubuntu?

<montgoej> I have a box that needs a very minimalistic linux

<montgoej> 450 mhz processor, 8 gig hard drive, 512 ram

<|{evin> xubuntu is cool

<montgoej> how good should it run on that hardware?

<|{evin> I run it on a 450 w/ 256meg

<montgoej> okay, sounds cool

<montgoej> I guess I'll try that

<montgoej> be right back guys, probably about 10 minutes

<jkeyes0> evening all

<montgoej> ok, I'm finally back

<montgoej> mmmm....pizza

<etank> whats up guys

<montgoej> nothing much here

<montgoej> and yourself?

<etank> nothing much here either

<etank> watching Scrubs

<montgoej> I just got done reading a thing about SELinux on NSA.gov

<jkeyes0> watching scrubs and playing WoW here

<etank> Scrubs is one of the greatest comedies on TV. IMHO.

<jkeyes0> mmm, banana muffins

<bkingx> Hey...just installing apache, postgresql, and drupal.

<bkingx> Going VERY Slow!

<montgoej> I can imagine

<jkeyes0> holy crap. drupal is the open source CMS??

<bkingx> CMS>

<bkingx> ?

<bkingx> Content Management System?

<bkingx> What's up venomous ?

<jkeyes0> yeah. microsoft product

<bkingx> Ah!

<venomous> howdy!

<|{evin> there is no "the" open source CMS

<|{evin> there are many.

<montgoej> finally got xubuntu downloaded...time to check the md5 and burn before the meeting starts

<bkingx> That's kind of what I was thinking/

<bkingx> I am using DotNetNuke on IIS6.0 for another site.

<jkeyes0> sorry. just had never heard of one. we use microsoft CMS at work, and everyone hates it.

<jkeyes0> haven't heard of that either. of course I don't actually work with CMS, so I hadn't thought to look. :P

<|{evin> http://www.opensourcecms.com/

<|{evin> site that has demos of tons of different CMSs

<jkeyes0> thank you very much. :)

<|{evin> very handy to be able to try out actual demos

* |{evin is addicted to "enigma"

<etank> venomous: |{evin: you've got mail. :)

<Contrast> What up...

<venomous> ha!

<etank> hows it going Contrast

<Contrast> Good, you?

<etank> pretty good

<etank> Is everyone ready to get started?

<montgoej> yep

<Contrast> Yup.

<bkingx> yep

<etank> OK. so first on the list is web site stuff. Some of you have seen it but if not here is what we have so far. http://64.191.174.220/

<etank> what are your thoughts on it?

<montgoej> I like the overall Ubuntu feel of it

<jkeyes0> looks very nice so far. excellent progress.

<etank> it is a drupal site.

<Contrast> I concur.

<jkeyes0> I really like the logo

<jkeyes0> I'll have to check out drupal

<Contrast> With montgoej and jkeyes, I mean.

<etank> we have enabled the modules that allow any user to have a blog on the site if they want

<etank> props go to bkingx for the logo

<etank> so far we do not have a domain name registered for the site

<jkeyes0> where is the site hosted?

<etank> I have created a ticket on launchpad to see if ubuntu will give us a sub-domain of ubuntu-us.org

<etank> bkingx is hosting it now

<bkingx> ;)

<etank> we are asking for a sub-domain of ky.ubuntu-us.org

<jkeyes0> it has a very nice response time

<etank> and its running on a virtual machine at that

<bkingx> ;)

<bkingx> and hosting 2 other sites!

<etank> normally they do not give domain names to teams that are not on the approved list

<etank> one of the web guys is seeing what he can do for us though

<jkeyes0> wow! is it windows running a linux vm, or linux running a windows vm? (silly question, I know)

<etank> linux on a vm

<Contrast> If I already signed up through Launchpad, should I be good to go on this site, or do I need to set up another account?

<etank> Ubuntu to be exact

<jkeyes0> I met a salesperson from EMC today (they own VMWare). We might end up buying licenses for ESX server at work.

<etank> on this site you will need to set up a different accoung

<montgoej> Apache 2.0.55 Running on an Ubuntu vm

<bkingx> Props to etank for setting all that up!!

<etank> jkeyes0: as a plug for myself, if your company needs vmware admins let me know.

<etank> :)

<Contrast> Cool, just making sure I didn't forget my account info.

<venomous> jkeyes0: you guys will love esx. vi3 is great

<jkeyes0> you wouldn't like the pay. :P state jobs pay crappy

<etank> jkeyes0: i was a state contractor for 3.5 years

<jkeyes0> contractors make great money. state employees don't really

<etank> no kidding

<etank> back to the site stuff

<jkeyes0> sorry about that.

<etank> i told the ubuntu guys that if they will let us have the domain name then we would be willing to host it.

<etank> i would rather have more control over it anyway

<bkingx> We can also register www.ubuntu-kentucky.org

<bkingx> But Ubuntu asks that if it has its name in it, we ask for permission first.

<bkingx> So that is pending too.

<jkeyes0> I used 1and1.com when I hosted my company's site. very, very low prices.

<montgoej> ubuntu-ky.org is already registered as a placeholder

<montgoej> by the Ubuntu people

<bkingx> That is for Kenya

<montgoej> ah

<etank> yeah. they bought all of the ubuntu-xx.org names

<bkingx> As etank says....the xx is a country initial

<etank> i really like the idea of the ky.ubuntu-us name.

<etank> it follows the naming convention that ubuntu is setting

<etank> if they will let a non-approved team have it that is

<bkingx> right...I think we should go ahead and register ubuntu-kentucky.org in the meantime, IMO.

<Contrast> I agree.

<bkingx> If/when they give us ky.ubuntu-us.org, we can point both to the same location.

<bkingx> again, my .02

<etank> does everyone think that we should reg the domain now?

<Contrast> I think ubuntu-kentucky.org would be easier for most people to remember.

<|{evin> they can point to the same place

<|{evin> so I say get that one

<etank> very true

<etank> anyone else have an opinion?

<montgoej> I say we register it

<jkeyes0> I definitely like ubuntu-kentucky.org. pointers are easy enough to set up

<Contrast> I don't see any reason not to go ahead and register it, but then again, until the site has a bit more material, you could say there's not much reason to rush.

<venomous> hand for ubuntu-kentucky.org

* etank +1

<Contrast> +1

<bkingx> Of course, there is the chance that Ubuntu could ask for the rights to it.

<|{evin> hand++

<etank> where is a cheap place to register a site.

<bkingx> Being in their copyright stuff and all

<|{evin> not to be a dick.. but they can't really do anything about it

<etank> I only know of godaddy

<bkingx> networksolutions.com

<etank> I have the disclaimer at the bottom

<Contrast> True, l{evin, and even if they could, I think it'd be a pretty bad PR move on Canonical's part.

<bkingx> I agree, just playing devil's advocate

<etank> ok. godaddy says 8.95 and networksolutions is 14.95

<jkeyes0> 1and1.com?

<jkeyes0> 5.99

<jkeyes0> godaddy is probably the better option though

<|{evin> I've had issues w/ 1and1

<bkingx> And here is what Ubuntu says:

<bkingx> Where possible, we ask that Ubuntu related domain ownership be held by Canonical Limited or a Canonical-authorised organisation. Please ask for a trademark license before registering a domain which incorporates the Ubuntu name. In most cases, we will sponsor registration fees for approved domains, and leave technical administrative control in the hands of the website operator.

<jkeyes0> great prices, great uptime (if they're hosting), but it's kinda hard to cancel

<etank> do we need to reg both ubuntu-kentucky and www.ubuntu-kentucky ????

<jkeyes0> no. one should give the other.

<|{evin> ubuntu-kentucky.com is the domain

<|{evin> www is an a record for that domain

<etank> jkeyes0: who was that in reference to

<etank> good point

<jkeyes0> etank: no. ubuntu-kentucky should give www as well

<bkingx> but .org or .com?

<Contrast> I say .org.

<etank> .org

<etank> we aren't selling anything

<bkingx> bkingx, .org

<|{evin> if you have ubuntu-kentucky.org, you can create {name}.ubuntu-kentucky.org at will

<etank> so do we go with godaddy then?

<bkingx> Right...like mail, www, smtp, etc.

<comfurtn> hey guys!

<comfurtn> i finally made it.

<etank> sup comfurtn

<Contrast> Hey comfurtn.

<etank> thought you were going to miss

<comfurtn> have i missed much?

<Contrast> Just discussing domain registration.

<comfurtn> etank: i made some adjustments -_-

<etank> comfurtn: the site is at http://64.191.174.220/

<etank> thats what we are talking about

<comfurtn> still the same as it was last night?

<etank> yep

<comfurtn> k.

<etank> we are talking about registering a domain name for it

<etank> ubuntu-kentucky.org

<comfurtn> that would be cool.

<etank> If we are all good then bkingx said that he would be willing to do the reg process now.

<Contrast> I just thought of something...

<bkingx> Or at least after the meeting.....go ChanServ

<bkingx> er Contrast

<Contrast> If we really want to become an approved team, wouldn't it maybe be a bad move registering a domain name with Ubuntu in it before getting Canonical's permission?

<Contrast> Considering what bkingx pasted, I mean.

<etank> we can email the trademark team

<etank> and the web team about it

<etank> not to beat a dead horse but i just want to make sure we are all a go before we do it.

<comfurtn> etank: good idea

<Contrast> I respect that.

<comfurtn> then there wouldn't be any doubt.

<bkingx> I don't think it will be a big deal. And if it is, we just sell the name to them.

<bkingx> Not for profit, of course.

<Contrast> I don't think it will be either. I'm just trying to think of every possible thing that might go wrong. :-D

<|{evin> it isn't a big deal.. it's a domain name

<bkingx> But just to respect their wishes.

<|{evin> that's like someone trying to take down "countrywidesucks.com"

<bkingx> OK..I'm in.

<etank> yeah. I don't want to do anything that may hinder our approval process.

<Contrast> So we get approval, then register?

<Contrast> That's my main point, etank.

<etank> i agree

<etank> im composing an email right now.

<|{evin> er, http://www.countrywidehomeloansucks.com Country Wide didn't register the name.. so it's fair game

<bkingx> LOL...|

<bkingx> |{evin,

<bkingx> Let me clarify...permission, not team approval, Right et?

<etank> right

<Contrast> Right.

<Contrast> Sorry, bad word choice on my part.

<bkingx> Great! Clear as mud!

<bkingx> OK...so we all agree on ubuntu-kentucky.org and will register after getting permission, right?

<venomous> hand

<Contrast> Check.

<jkeyes0> +1

* montgoej +1

<comfurtn> affirmative.

<bkingx> Cool...done deal. etank said he is working on a draft, we'll see where that goes.

<bkingx> Next topic?

<bkingx> *** Install Fest / Fiesty release party ***

<jkeyes0> ASAP. :)

<bkingx> LOL...Fiesty releases in April

<etank> message sent.

<etank> The Kentucky Team would like to have permission to register the domain

<etank> name ubuntu-kentucky.org. We seek the permission of Ubuntu to use their

<etank> name in the site. If you would like to see the site please go to

<etank> http://64.191.174.220/

<bkingx> Thanks etank !!

<jkeyes0> awesome

<Contrast> Cool.

<Contrast> Who all has tried Feisty so far?

<comfurtn> i have.

<jkeyes0> I upgraded my laptop last night.

* etank is running Feisty at work

<etank> it is solid so far

<comfurtn> jkeyes0: everything go alright?

<Contrast> I'm running it on my laptop. Tried it on my desktop, had problems, switched back to Edgy.

<jkeyes0> smooth so far, but it's running pretty slow

<montgoej> I am gonna (hopefully) install it over the weekend

<etank> there has been some discussion of doing a dry run install fest with just the team members

<etank> kind of a chance to meet each other and work out the kinks in the install fest process

<comfurtn> etank: i like the idea

<bkingx> Install for Drapper?

<etank> but the big questions are

<jkeyes0> etank: excellent idae

<jkeyes0> or... idea

<etank> when and where

<montgoej> I like the idea

<comfurtn> when and where........ hmm...

<etank> we would need a place that is central to most people and has internet access

<bkingx> If we time the live Install Fest with the Fiesty release, we need to do it in the next month. We only have 1.5 months to release.

<etank> venomous: how about your place ;)

<Contrast> Where's everyone based?

<jkeyes0> I've heard the lex public library is huge

<jkeyes0> frankfort

<bkingx> Lex

<etank> lex

<venomous> open to ideas

<Contrast> Georgetown here.

<montgoej> I'm in Mercer so I can get to Lex, Frankfort, Louisville, etc. quite easily

<bkingx> Does the Public lib charge to use a room?

<comfurtn> west liberty.

<comfurtn> Lexington is definitely central.

<bkingx> I agree.

<bkingx> and not because I live here...LOL

<Contrast> Sounds logical.

<montgoej> I say lexington

<venomous> my place is still available...byob+sfm

<Contrast> sfm?

<venomous> Some For Me!!!

<Contrast> Ohh. Hehe.

<bkingx> Maybe a garage deal, venomous ?

<etank> tooooo coooold

<bkingx> setup some tables?

<venomous> have you been outside bkingx?? it's freakin' cold!

<etank> unless its heated

<bkingx> I can get a propane Mr Heater

<bkingx> It will burn us out of there!

<venomous> space heaters, but i've only got two. would still be a bit on the chilly side.

<|{evin> mine is heated, but my connection blows goat ss

<venomous> bkingx: that'll work

<etank> i kind of like the idea of venomous's house

<Contrast> So are we actually going to be bringing our computers to the dry run to put Feisty on them?

<montgoej> anyone wanna contact the library. IMHO, people would be mroe likely to come to a place like that than a garage

<bkingx> But I like venomous' garage!

<etank> montgoej: this first one is just for the team

<venomous> montgoej: you're right for a true install fest, but isn't this a dry run install to iron out kinks?

<montgoej> ok

<bkingx> venomous +1

<Contrast> Indifferent.

<Contrast> :)

<jkeyes0> a dry run at someone's home wouldn't be a problem.

<montgoej> Just to give you a heads up: I'm about to leave but I'll be reading the logs online later

<Contrast> Later, montgoej.

<bkingx> np montgoej

<etank> so do we want to try to shoot for a date of around March 17th or so

<etank> later man

<jkeyes0> I'm going to see Blue Man Group in louisville on the 17th

<etank> montgoej: would it help if we had the meetings a little earlier

<montgoej> March 17 is good

<bkingx> that may not give us enough time to plan for the public event

<etank> how about the 24th then?

<etank> bkingx: we can plan them both at the same time

<bkingx> Yup...true dat!

<Contrast> Do you all think two weeks will be enough time for us to overcome any problems we run into at the dry run in time for the real install fest?

<montgoej> nah having the meetings now is ok, I can always email you if I have something to add in afterwards

<bkingx> <sheepishly tucks tail between legs>

<etank> just mail it to the mailing list

<Contrast> 2/24 sounds better to me.

<montgoej> ok

<montgoej> sounds good to me

<montgoej> I shouldn't have anything going on then

<etank> that just gives Feisty some more time to mature

<bkingx> 2/24 or 3/24

<Contrast> So did they definitely decide to not include proprietary drivers and codecs by default, or is that still up in the air?

<etank> March 24

<jkeyes0> from what I've read, no proprietary drivers

<Contrast> I assumed he meant 2/24, since we felt 3/17 would be too late. ;-)

<|{evin> they said no

<etank> nope the drivers and compriz are out

<Contrast> Awesome.

<bkingx> OK...then we pencil it in for 3/24 at venomous

<bkingx> Will confirm by next week

<etank> if we do the dry run on 3/24 then we can do the Feisty Release party on 4/21

<bkingx> s meeting

<Contrast> W32 codecs, libdvdcss? Same thing, or still not sure?

<etank> haven't heard

<Contrast> Is that Feisty's release date?

<venomous> pencil is out....pencil-ing now

<montgoej> I'm gonna head out, later

<|{evin> haven't heard on those, I would assume they're out... but easily added in

<etank> the release is slated for the 19th

<bkingx> Very good!

<Contrast> Ohh. Well then, 3/24 should leave us with plenty of time.

<Contrast> Any idea how many computers we're planning on having at the dry run?

<etank> cool

<etank> I dont think that we all need to do an install at the dry run

<etank> unless you want to

<etank> if you do then just bring whatever machine you want to install on

<Contrast> Well, which release are we planning on promoting the most at the install fest?

<etank> Dapper imo

<bkingx> Dapper

<|{evin> Dapper or Edgy... Dapper is LTS though

<bkingx> It's LTS and the CD Distributions

<etank> or we can give the new user a choice

<Contrast> Choice is good.

<etank> we just explain what the difference is

<etank> we actually can give them a choice of the three

<venomous> dudes...gotta pull the rip cord. i'm wiped out. i'll read the logs later. etank bkingx might be calling you guys tomorrow for an NT4.0 to 2k3 migration.

<etank> but try to direct them from Feisty

<etank> later venomous

<Contrast> I think getting Linux virgins to realize how much choice they have can be a big motivator, as opposed to the Windows one-size-fits-all philosophy.

<etank> i agree

<bkingx> agree

<comfurtn> okay guys.. i was on the phone and half-way following along.

<Contrast> What do we have planned as far as raising awareness for this event?

<etank> OK then so we all agree that comfurtn is in charge of the whole thing right?

<etank> :)

<jkeyes0> of course, and he's bringing 200 pizza's

<Contrast> +++++1111111111

<|{evin> mmmm, pizza.

<jkeyes0> as far as raising awareness.... there are how many of us, 10? if each of us brings 2 people, that's lots of people..

<etank> yup

<comfurtn> sweet... i've been needing to clean out my freezer.. all those pizzas take up space!

<etank> actually there are 22 members on the team

<etank> but only half of us are really active

<bkingx> Sorry guys....gotta put some kids to bed.

<jkeyes0> (that's what I was getting at, etank)

<bkingx> I'll read up later too.

<Zuph> Sorry to be late to the show, so to speak. Dinner ran over.

<lapjack> hey now

<lapjack> I'm half-active

<Contrast> Should've mentioned this earlier, but wouldn't Saturday be a better day for the install fest?

<Contrast> Later, bkingx.

<etank> lapjack: |{evin you are 2x active

<|{evin> I think I'm a clone now...

<etank> the 24 is a Saturday

<Zuph> That would be an ideal weekend: my plans just got cancelled.

<Contrast> I thought 3/24 was the dry run, and you said 4/21 for the install fest/release party?

<etank> sorry

<etank> 4/21 is a Saturday too

<Contrast> No prob. Too many numbers.

<Contrast> Ohh, whoops. My fault.

<etank> np

<Contrast> I never use the KDE calendar. Its "weeks" go from Monday - Sunday. :-\

<etank> as far as getting the work out, i'm open to ideas

<etank> if anyone has a blog, website, the team site, wiki, etc.

<Contrast> I think the whole Vista pandemonium gives us an opportunity to pull a lot of people into this thing. I'd hate to see that go to waste.

<etank> Contrast: me too

<etank> Zuph: what are you doing?

<Zuph_> In general or...?

<etank> two names

<Zuph_> In general, trying to rectify my crappy connection tonight.

<etank> ah

<etank> ok

*** Zuph_ is now known as Zuph

<etank> has anyone else ordered CDs form shipit.ubuntu.com?

<jkeyes0> I ordered 30, and I've got 15 on-hand

* Zuph raises his hand.

<Contrast> I just ordered 10.

<Contrast> I didn't see where you could order more than that?

<etank> you have to do a custom order

<Contrast> Ohh ok. I was thinking that was just for certain circumstances.

<etank> how do you guys distribute the CDs?

<jkeyes0> I keep a stack of 5-10 at work and hand them out to co-workers (I've got at least 2 other people to start using, and I'm working on at least 2 more)

<etank> what about placing them in public locations?

<etank> like the AOL CDs

<jkeyes0> it would be nice to set that up. put them in wal-mart. :P

<Zuph> Would be a waste, I think

<etank> have you guys seen this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=full.jpg?

<Contrast> I'm thinking the same, Zuph.

<Zuph> Having worked in places that let people do that, the employees take most of that stuff and never use it.

<Contrast> That looks like a good resource.

<etank> I know that the Ohio team has worked with the local libraries to get them to keep some CDs for people to chek out.

<etank> if they dont return them then nothing lost really

<jkeyes0> I know if my library had linux CD's when I was in college, I would have gladly partaken

<Contrast> That's a good idea. Aside from libraries though, I don't think just sitting them out in public places is the best route.

<jkeyes0> I read on digg a few months ago about someone leaving a bunch at a McDonald's, by the register

<etank> so is the best approach to hand them out in person then?

<Zuph> yes.

<Contrast> +1

<Zuph> If you're able to talk to someone about the OS and then hand them a CD, it will do much better

<etank> sounds good to me.

<Contrast> I'm trying to think of a good place to put flyers...

<etank> ok then the last thing for tonight is Charity Project updates

<etank> if there are any at this time

<comfurtn> i have yet to contact my school board tech people, but several labs were upgraded at the high school last month.

<Zuph> We need to get a few machines that we can actually tool around with.

<Contrast> I've got an old computer I think I could bare to part with.

<comfurtn> i might be able to get hands on the old computer.

<Zuph> And preferably get together and start working on stuff.

<comfurtn> *computers

<comfurtn> Zuph: how did you go about getting computers from the oldham country district?

<etank> for the install on them we can do an oem install from the alternate cd

<Zuph> I emailed the DTC asking if they had any old computers they were getting rid of soon, and if I could haul them off for them.

<Zuph> I worked for the Board of Ed. for a year or so, though, so I had an in.

<Contrast> What is OEM? I've seen that option when using the text-only installation discs, but I have no idea...

<|{evin> Original Equipment Manufacturer

<comfurtn> Zuph: a friend of mine works in the tech department, so i might also have an in.

<Zuph> cool

<etank> Contrast: there are some poster ideas on http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/

<etank> if we have a lot at one time that are the same type we can make one to use to image the othere

<etank> others

<Zuph> yeah. PXE boot the machines.

<Zuph> Once we have an install standardized, we can write up some documentation.

<Zuph> Then all we have to do is give them away.

<etank> and find monitors

<comfurtn> etank: yup

<Contrast> What's everyone's stance on putting proprietary media codecs on them? My stance is leave them off, but give the end users clear instructions on how to get them installed.

<comfurtn> any leads on monitors?

<comfurtn> Contrast: i very much so agree with that.

<Zuph> Contrast: These computers most likely won't be conected to the internet at all. What we ship on them is what they will have forever.

<Zuph> So I'm all for shipping them with free as in beer but not free as in speech software, especially if it is superior to the free as speech solutions.

<Contrast> Then pack in a CD with prop. stuff? Or just put it on there before giving them out?

<etank> back to the install fest for a sec. I think that we should download some of the videos that the ScreenCast team has made and burn them to CDs. That way the new users can have some videos to watch if they have questions to go along with the paper documentation.

<Zuph> You have to consider that we're giving computers to people that have probably never owned a computer before. Even very clear instructions might be too obtuse.

<comfurtn> Considering that some machines might not have access to the internet once they are given away, we should make the system as complete as possible

<jkeyes0> etank: very nice. hadn't thought about that.

<Zuph> I'd rather not give them that kind of a "bad" impression in the name of being an open source crusader.

<Contrast> Point taken.

<comfurtn> including the stuff might be a good idea.

<etank> im for including the codecs

<comfurtn> +1

<etank> it is one of the first things i install

<etank> that and build-essentials

<Contrast> As far as proprietary software that should be preinstalled, what comes to mind besides codecs?

<Zuph> drivers, where necessary.

<Contrast> What I'm thinking is we do a repository-on-DVD kind of setup.

<jkeyes0> acrobat reader?

<comfurtn> Contrast: good idea... that would give non-internet-connected machines the repositories they need.

<Contrast> Yeah, and flash-plugin-nonfree, while we're on Adobe.

<jkeyes0> good one, contrast

<etank> jkeyes0: nah evince is installed by default

<Zuph> Contrast: I'd like to ship these systems as complete as possible, so that ideally people wouldn't have to get anything from a repository.

<etank> flash non-free is good though

<jkeyes0> haven't used evince. I'll look for it

<Zuph> Although it isn't a bad idea, per-se. I'm just having trouble thinking of what repositories we would include.

<Contrast> Zuph, that would be great, but who defines "complete"?

<etank> if you have opened a pdf in ubuntu then you may have

<comfurtn> i don't particularly like evince

<etank> it works though

<comfurtn> that it does.

<comfurtn> and would serve our purpose

<Zuph> Maybe I'm jaded because my computer is always connected to the internet, but aside from whatever drivers and media players are needed, and whatever educational software we find, I don't see many other repositories being necessary.

<Contrast> Zuph, all the official Ubuntu repo's (multiverse, universe, etc.), plus Canonical's commercial repo?

<Zuph> No way those would fit on a DVD. Or even a small set of DVDs

<comfurtn> strike the universe, for sure.

<Zuph> Presuming all these machines will HAVE dvd players, which they won't

<jkeyes0> yeah, if there's not going to be a net connection, very few things are really "essential". dvd viewing capability (if there are drives), codecs, openoffice

<comfurtn> good point.

<Contrast> I thought I'd heard of those being available on DVD's. But it's a moot point I guess, hadn't thought of that.

<Zuph> I mean, it's definitely a good idea that we should explore WHEN we get to the point of choosing software to include

<Contrast> True.

<Zuph> Unfortunately, without a computer that slow, we don't know what they will and won't run.

<comfurtn> i have a 533 MHz computer running feisty.

<Zuph> with GNOME?

<comfurtn> gnome is usable, but XFCE 4.4 runs much smoother.

<Zuph> Yeah, I was thinking a stock Xubuntu install with a lot of edubuntu packages.

<Zuph> And a static copy of wikipedia where possible.

<Zuph> THAT might be something to include on DVD/CD

<comfurtn> if you need me to test anything on it, just let me know.

<Zuph> How friendly is XFCE compared to, say, GNOME, for a computer newbie?

<Contrast> I honestly see next to no difference between the two in that regard.

<|{evin> the "desktop" part isn't as intuitive

<etank> |{evin: i agree

<|{evin> compared to KDE, Gnome, or Windows

<|{evin> but it IS a decent gui for lower-end machines

<Zuph> These people will probably only have windows experience if they have any computer experience, so similarities to that are beneficial.

<etank> I say as long as the machine will support it we stick with gnome

<|{evin> In that case, you're looking at KDE... which doesn't do so well on the low end

<Contrast> I always hear people saying KDE's the most similar to Windows. I'm inclined to agree with them...

<etank> if we want similarity to Windows then KDE is closer

<etank> |{evin: beat me to it

<|{evin> heh

<Zuph> Gnome is similar enough to be usable, though

<|{evin> and you thought I wasn't paying attention

<Contrast> I have Kubuntu running acceptably well on a 800MHz AMD Duron w/ 192MB.

<Zuph> How much RAM is being gobbled up idle?

<comfurtn> woa now, i think XFCE does pretty darn well if you give it one panel at the bottom.

<comfurtn> and 4.4 has a crap-load of improvements.

<comfurtn> much more polished.

<etank> comfurtn: i agree

<Zuph> As soon as I get a spare computer to play with, I'll throw XFCE on it.

<Contrast> 180MB. LOL

<Zuph> hah

<comfurtn> GNOME slows down too much if you start multi-tasking, or for that matter, open two browser windows at once.

<Contrast> But I can still have 2 or 3 app's running without problems.

<etank> i have one at work that is about the spead that you say you can get. I will try it tomorrow.

<Zuph> awesome.

<Contrast> People always say KDE's a resource hog, and looking strictly at how much RAM is in use at a given moment, they'd be right. I think KDE does a better job of using that RAM than GNOME though.

<Zuph> It's looking like I'm going to be stuck customizing drupal for the next few weeks :V

<etank> Is this a topic that would be good for the mailing list?

<etank> im trying to find a good use for that thing

<Zuph> haha

<etank> other than just sending out meeting reminders

<Zuph> I think the mailing list is best for more general announcements

<Zuph> Meeting reminders, real life meetings, that sort of thing.

<etank> darn

<comfurtn> yeah, i have enuff mailing list clutter the way it is.

<comfurtn> -_-

<etank> ok

<Zuph> And I think that a lot of the charity project discussion would be better suited for a real life meeting, where we can pore over lists of apps and stuff.

<Contrast> I don't know. I'd say there could be some people who just can't make the meetings, but would be interested in contributing to a charity effort.

<Contrast> Could be wrong.

<comfurtn> i'm one of those.

<etank> we do have the thread on the forum

<etank> anyone can feel free to start a mailing list thread :)

<Contrast> People don't always check that as often as their e-mail though.

<Zuph> I dunno, my big thing with the real life meetings for the charity project is the fact that it will need people out in the field to distribute PCs, install software, that sort of thing

<Zuph> And the more cohesive our effort, the better we look.

<comfurtn> so, has anyone come up with ideas for obtaining monitors?

<etank> Zuph: I agree. Does anyone else have anything more to add? If not I say we adjurn the meeting.

<comfurtn> it is, in theory, a cost we can leave to the people receiving the computer.

<Contrast> Agreed. I'm not talking about in-depth interaction through e-mail, just something as simple as, "If you or anyone you know has a computer they're not using, let them know about our charity event."

<|{evin> Advocate Messenger in Danville had a bunch they were looking to get rid of

<Contrast> I don't like the idea of that, personally.

<Zuph> comfurtn: I'd rather be able to provide these people complete systems, even if it has a crappy yellowed monitor that's older than some of our members.

<Contrast> Leaving the monitors to the user, I mean.

<comfurtn> i agree... i didn't say i supported the idea.

<jkeyes0> we could always check goodwill. usually they have some smaller monitors from 5-15$

<Contrast> Cool. :-D

<etank> Contrast: i agree. i think that we need to give them a complete system

<Zuph> CRTs shouldn't be terribly hard to find, anyway.

<Zuph> I mean, I'll front cash for a $10 monitor if need be

<Zuph> Maybe not the cash for 60 such monitors, but you guys get the idea.

<comfurtn> just checking... they're hard to come by in little towns like west liberty, though.

<jkeyes0> I'll check my local goodwill (and if I can make it down there, I'll check the georgetown one as well). I can pick up several if they have them.

<Contrast> I'll save you the trip to Georgetown, jkeyes0. :)

<etank> wb zenwhen

<jkeyes0> very nice, thanks Contrast!

<Contrast> I'm literally two minutes from Goodwill.

<jkeyes0> I went to g-town college a few years ago

<Contrast> What year?

<jkeyes0> 2000-2003 (december)

<|{evin> My brother in law works for a certain auto place there... maybe they have some to ditch :)

<Contrast> Oh ok.

<etank> Is everyone up for adjurning the meeting? I think we got a lot covered tonight.

<jkeyes0> sounds good

<comfurtn> +1

<Contrast> Agreed

<|{evin> ++

<Zuph> aye.

<etank> great. I will post the logs on the wiki and link them on the **New Site**

<jkeyes0> thanks, etank

<Contrast> Cool. Good job on getting that up and running.

<comfurtn> I'll second that, Contrast

<Contrast> Random question: Do we have any Beryl users on board?

<comfurtn> yep.

<comfurtn> Beryl and Compiz.

<Contrast> Why both? -_~

<comfurtn> i don't really use the compiz anymore.

<Contrast> Beryl-SVN or Stable?

<comfurtn> svn

<Contrast> All the way. :-D

<comfurtn> yup ~_~

<Zuph> Does anyone here have eye-bleeding amounts of experience with Drupal?

<comfurtn> negative.

<jkeyes0> apparently bkingx does now. :P

<Contrast> I think it would be awesome if we could get Beryl 0.1.3 or so put on a few of the charity computers.

<etank> the drupal theme was posted on the ubuntu wiki

<Zuph> It would be, though I doubt many of them will have the horsepower.

<etank> i installed drupal 5.1 on bkingxs server and then just installed the theme

<Contrast> I'm still trying to get it running on my old desktop I'll be giving away. Gonna try it with Feisty over the weekend, I think.

<Zuph> etank: I'm trying to create some new node types using the development API, and I'm running in to trouble trying to do something

<comfurtn> is the old i810 onboard supported under bery?

<Contrast> I've heard of Beryl running on some surprisingly old systems, e.g., <256MB, <700MHz.

<Contrast> I believe so.

<comfurtn> i might give it a try on my old desktop, running at 533MHz

<comfurtn> with 192mb ram.

<comfurtn> :-D

<comfurtn> I'll get the fire extinguisher ready.

<Contrast> You might want to google that, comfurtn. I know I've heard reference to that card in relation to Beryl, can't remember if it was good or bad for sure though.

<comfurtn> Contrast: will do.

<Contrast> Feisty's support for compositing window managers is the most impressive thing about it for me so far.

<comfurtn> i need to try out XFCE's compositing on that old desktop.

<Contrast> I got it up and running with Beryl-SVN on my laptop using the open Radeon driver without touching my xorg.conf.

<comfurtn> that'll be a project for the weekend, perhaps.

<Contrast> Do you get on the Beryl forums?

<Zuph> I'm going to start dreaming in PHP code if I don't figure out an elegant workaround soon :-p

<comfurtn> It seems that Beryl will run on the i810....

<etank> Zuph: what is it you are trying to do?

<comfurtn> according to several users, at least.

<Contrast> Wish I could help, Zuph. My code knowledge is nonexistent, although I'm working on that.

<Zuph> I've created a node type called contacts, which keeps track of people, and I want to create a node type that keeps track of classes. I want to be able to add contacts to the classes, to keep track of who showed up to what classes.

<Zuph> But as best I can tell, there is no way to have a multiple select field in the classes node type.

<etank> yup

<etank> don't know about that one

<etank> i've been using drupal for all of a week now

<Zuph> if I don't figure something out in another 30 minutes of searching drupal.org, I'm just going to pass the necessary variables through to another PHP script that I've hand-written to modify the tables manually, and just do it that way.

<etank> sorry

<Contrast> I think I have an easier one... :-)

<etank> guys im out.

<Contrast> How do you uninstall something that you installed via $: ./makeall?

<Contrast> Later, etank.

<Zuph> later on.

<etank> the logs are online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam/Meetings/2007Feb15 now

<comfurtn> etank: nite.

<jkeyes0> I've got to go as well. wife aggro. g'night guys

<Contrast> Is my question too stupid to warrant an answer, or are you not sure? :-D

<Contrast> G'nite.

<comfurtn> nite all

<Contrast> Lates.

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<etank> Zuph: do you want me to test xubuntu 6.10 or 6.06?

<Zuph> etank: Whichever you want. I've had better legacy support in 6.06, but they're both probably good.

<etank> im downloading both of them now.

<etank> just wondering since we were talking last night about recommending Dapper to new people

<Zuph> I've just had a lot better luck with Dapper and hardware support

<Zuph> Me and 2 other friends have tried both dapper and edgy, and all 3 of us had some peice of hardware not work in edgy but everything work in dapper.

<Zuph> Mine was the Monitor, one friend's was video card, and the other was wireless.

<etank> ill start with dapper then.

<etank> sup bkingx

<bkingx> Yo

<bkingx> Just read your email

<bkingx> So what should we do now?

<etank> thats what i wanted to ask you.

<bkingx> I guess we need to email that rt addy.

<etank> how is this

<etank> We would like to proceed with this if possible. We are not yet an approved team but we are working toward that goal. I have entered a ticket in launchpad with the Ubuntu Website team https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+ticket/3684.

<etank> How do you recommend that we proceed with this?

<bkingx> That sounds good.

<etank> k

<bkingx> Do a forward on the reply

<bkingx> SO they have the whole request

<etank> thats what im going to do

<bkingx> :)

<bkingx> We have followed all the procedures.

<bkingx> If we don't get an answer by say monday, I say we go ahead and do it.

<bkingx> Then we can email them and transfer ownership if they wish.

<etank> mail sent

<etank> i copied you on it too.

<bkingx> You da man!!

<bkingx> I'm at home today...gonna work on a drupal setup.

<bkingx> Just got through helping David with a 2003 problem.

<bkingx> Was a DNS Forwarding issue for AD.

<etank> cool

<bkingx> Have you tried the different GUI's today?

<bkingx> I;m reading over the logs from last night

<etank> im downloading xubuntu 6.10 and 6.06 now

<etank> im going to start with the 6.06 version

<etank> since it is LTS

<bkingx> agreed

<bkingx> What are the specs on the machine?

<etank> that and Zuph said that the hardware support on older machines is better with 6.06

<bkingx> Cool

<bkingx> xfce, KDE, or gnome?

<bkingx> Isn't that what you are testing for?

<etank> xubuntu is xfce

<bkingx> Oh yeah..right!

<bkingx> Looks like a good meeting

<etank> it was good

<bkingx> I can get a few older CRT's.

<bkingx> Pretty decent shape, too.

<bkingx> I thnk most are 17"

<etank> good.

<etank> that will work

<bkingx> Oh...and I had an idea for our install fest for the public.

<bkingx> We raffle off a complete Ubuntu PC.

<etank> spill it

<etank> who is going to pay for that?

<bkingx> It might draw some more public interest.

<etank> I was thinking of doing something like that with a book.

<bkingx> Donated.

<bkingx> Like something from the Charity Project lines.

<bkingx> Like an old 800 or something.

<etank> I sent my resume to qx.net today

<bkingx> We install on this machine as the demo, updates and whatnot, and then give it to the winner to take with the,

<bkingx> them*

<etank> I think that would be a good place to work

<bkingx> Just a thought.

<bkingx> Heck Yeah!!

<bkingx> Are they hiring?

<etank> why dont you start a mailing list thread for the charity project

<etank> I dont know. I figured what could it hurt.

<bkingx> True

<bkingx> And you got the Commonwealth Copy one out there too.

<etank> yeah. i dont know about that one though

<bkingx> Me either...Just didn't seem like a good fit for me.

<etank> starting the xubuntu install now on a 700Mhz 256MB box

<bkingx> Cool!

<bkingx> OK, so how can I start postgresql?

<bkingx> I can't seem to be able to connect to the server

<Zuph> It's freaking cold here

<Zuph> I need gloves to code

<bkingx> Here too! And I'

<bkingx> m at my own house!

<etank> bkingx: do a google search for ubuntu postgres

<etank> there is a file called pghba.conf that needs to be edited i think.

<bkingx> How can I make sure the server is even running?

<etank> ps -ef | grep postgres

<bkingx> OK...that gave me some stuff.

<bkingx> So I guess it is running.

<bkingx> Now I am tyring to use pgadmin3 to connect to the server

<etank> why not use mysql?

<Zuph> mysql is a damn good database until you get up to around 20,000 concurrent users.

<bkingx> Sorry...lunchtime for the kids

<bkingx> Playing Mr Mom today.

<bkingx> mysql?

<bkingx> as opposed to postgresql?

<bkingx> Well, MySQL IS recommended.

<etank> I think that mysql is easier to work with too

<etank> it even has views now

<etank> but I do think that postgres is more robust

<bkingx> OK...installing MySQL now.

<bkingx> We'll aee if this is any easier.

<etank> the first thing that you will want to do is run

<etank> mysqladmin -u root password 'somenewpassword'

<etank> by default the root sql account does not have a password

<etank> then I like to log in to mysql by doing

<etank> mysql -u username -p

<etank> then run

<etank> grant all privileges on *.* to username@localhost identified by 'asecurepassword' with grant option;

<etank> good luck

<etank> :)

<bkingx> got it! thanks!

<Zuph> any actual PHP programmer would look at my code and instantly vomit.

<etank> my code always looks like crap hacked together.

<etank> even my "Hello World" looks bad

<Zuph> Rather than giving each row in the database a unique index, I'm checking for duplicates by checking to see if the data submitted is identical to to any that currently exists.

<Zuph> The net result being that two people with the same name cannot be in the same class.

<bkingx> Must be nice....I can't even get PHP to work on this damn server!

<bkingx> I got MySQL installed, but can't seem to run the install script.

<bkingx> I'm rebooting just in case.

<Zuph> What distro?

<bkingx> edgy

<Zuph> Why not just download the server image and install the default LAMP instal?

<Zuph> *install

<bkingx> instead of running the php script, it wants to download it.

<bkingx> I could, but I need the gui. I'm a gui guy.

<Zuph> then install the server and do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

<bkingx> I guess I am going to have to

<bkingx> It's just not working.

<Zuph> howtoforget has some good howtos

<etank> bkingx: run

<etank> sudo a2enmod php5

<etank> i think that is right

<bkingx> Wow...that is good timing!

<bkingx> I was just about ready to wipe and install with server!

<etank> /etc/apache2/mods-available has all of the modules that are available for apache to use

<bkingx> But that might be a better option anyway.

<bkingx> what do you think?

<etank> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled has soft links to the ones that are actually running

<etank> really it doesnt matter

<etank> server install will not give you a desktop by default

<etank> if you install X on a server install then the only difference between that and what you have now is the server kernel

<bkingx> OK

<etank> do an ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled

<etank> then paste it here

<etank> one way to test if php is working is to create file called php.php (any name that ends in .php will really work) in /var/www/

<etank> in that file have the code

<bkingx> should I do the a2enmod command first?

<etank> <? php_info() ?>

<etank> i think that is right at least

<Zuph> <?php php_info() ?>

<etank> then go to http://loclahost/php.php

<etank> thanks Zuph

<Zuph> np

<Zuph> I'm starting to dream in PHP, so it comes naturally.

<etank> if you get a page then php is running

<etank> i did code in php about 1.5 years ago

<etank> i have forgotten most of it

<Zuph> I wish I had more of a programming background so this code didn't look and behave like crap.

<etank> bkingx: what did you get when you did that

<bkingx> still booting the machine back up....1 sec

<etank> Zuph: i have done some Perl, PHP and most recently Python

<etank> I like Python the best

<etank> it forces good code structure

<Zuph> I've looked at it, and it seems neat

<bkingx> ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled

<Zuph> I just have little need to program outside web programming and some basic scripting

<bkingx> total 0

<bkingx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-02-15 19:15 cgi.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load

<bkingx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-02-15 19:15 php5.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf

<bkingx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-02-15 19:15 php5.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load

<bkingx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 2007-02-15 19:07 userdir.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf

<bkingx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 2007-02-15 19:07 userdir.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load

<etank> ok then php is loaded and ready to run

<bkingx> OK

<etank> did you create the file in /var/www/ ?

<bkingx> doing that now

<bkingx> cp php.php?

<etank> what is "cp php.php?"

<Zuph> copy php.php

<bkingx> yeah?

<bkingx> to create a new file?

<etank> nope

<etank> do this

<etank> sudo touch /var/www/php.php

<etank> then

<etank> sudo nano /var/www/php.php

<etank> then put <?php php_info() ?> in the file and save it

<etank> then go to http://localhost/php.php

<bkingx> NOPE..it is still wanting to download it, not run it.

<etank> hmmmm

<bkingx> strange, huh?

<etank> do a

<etank> dpkg -l | grep php5

<etank> what does that give you?

<bkingx> ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag

<bkingx> ii php5 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag

<bkingx> ii php5-common 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1 Common files for packages built from the php

<etank> wait.

<etank> do a sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart

<bkingx> K

<etank> does it restart clean?

<bkingx> yes

<bkingx> do I have to do anything with the php.ini file?

<etank> now try to load the php.php page again

<etank> shouldn't

<etank> not to get this part working at least

<bkingx> Damnit!

<bkingx> Nothing!

<bkingx> Or rather, same thing

<etank> try this

<etank> sudo aptitude reinstall php5-mysqli php5-gd php5-common php5-cli php5-cgi php5 libapache2-mod-php5

<bkingx> workign

<bkingx> OK..reinstall done

<etank> do sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart

<etank> then try the page again

<bkingx> nope

<bkingx> OK...I'm gonna do a server install

<etank> you give up too easy

<etank> keep fighting it

<etank> then if it happens again you will know what to do

<bkingx> LOL...I just don't want to overstep my welcome on the help!

<Zuph> It's 3:50 on a friday and I'm the last one here...

<etank> that has to suck

<etank> leave now

<etank> who will know?

<etank> except us

<Zuph> No one.

<Zuph> Which is what I'm thinking of doing.

<Zuph> I've been really productive this week; I deserve to leave early.\

<bkingx> You bet!!

<etank> bkingx: try this

<etank> sudo aptitude ubuntu-lamp

<bkingx> install or reinstall?

<etank> oops

<etank> install

<bkingx> K

<etank> that will give you the same thing as a server lamp install

<etank> minus the server kernel

<bkingx> working...

<bkingx> I hope this works

<etank> have either of you been in the ubuntuforums today?

<etank> they are messed up right now

<etank> i think they are upgrading or something

<bkingx> No packages found

<bkingx> Do I need to add a repository?

<etank> maybe

<etank> are you ok using vim?

<bkingx> nano?

<etank> ok then do a sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list

<bkingx> K

<etank> then remove the # in front of the repo statements

<Zuph> maybe we should have a seminar at the Installfest about basic command line usage :)

<etank> God yes

<etank> much needed

<bkingx> Bah!!!

<bkingx> all repos are already active

<etank> the repo stuff should all start with deb http://

<bkingx> yep

<bkingx> they are all uncommented

<bkingx> doing a sudo aptitude update right now

<etank> do an aptitude search lamp

<etank> what does it give you

<bkingx> I'll tell you as soon as it finishes the update.

<bkingx> I did it before and it only found lampython

<bkingx> it's hanging on security.ubuntu.com

<bkingx> Nope...nothing but lampython

<Zuph> okay, time to head home before traffic gets bad

<Zuph> I hope my car starts!

<bkingx> OK...time to give up?

<etank> its your box

<bkingx> Yeah...I guess it's that time.

<bkingx> 'bout time for you to go home too, huh?\

<etank> yeah man

<etank> i may see you online later.

<bkingx> I should be here.

<bkingx> OK..doing the server install now

<bkingx> howdy evilgold

<evilgold> hey

<bkingx> You are now approved!

<evilgold> thanks

<evilgold> Im suprised i didnt find this sooner

<bkingx> We've been around about a month now

<bkingx> Been trying to get everything rolling.

<bkingx> There is a lot of stuff to coordinate.

<evilgold> well i'd love to help out as much as i can

<bkingx> Well there is plenty to do!!

<bkingx> Best thing is to start out by posting on the forum.

<bkingx> We have meetings here in the IRC room every thursday night, and are starting to work on projects for Ubuntu.

<bkingx> you can also read the minutes from the past few meetings by going to our in-devlopment web server

<bkingx> http:\\64.191.174.220

<evilgold> yeah i've been reading threw them

<bkingx> Col!

<bkingx> Cool!

<bkingx> Well that will get you caughtup to where we are in our thought process.

<bkingx> And of course, feel free to post on the forums any ideas or suggestions to make things better.

<bkingx> Like i said, we are in our infancy right now, but plan on doing many things in the near future!

<evilgold> cool well i look forward to working with everyone

<bkingx> Me too!!

<bkingx> And you can usually find someone on this channel most all of the time.

<bkingx> And be sure to be at the meeting next thursday to meet everyone

<bkingx> and participate!

<evilgold> will do

<bkingx> Alrighty! Signing off now!

<bkingx> Have to take the fam to dinner@!

<bkingx> later!

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