| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Jono Bacon: LUGRadio Live 2007 - Get those papers in! <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=894> | |
| <jayteeuk> Night all. | |
| <tsmithe> night | |
| <constrictor> i think i might be going to the LUGradio live thing | |
| <constrictor> well good night everyone | |
| <marmer> night | |
| <mumperer> Hi | |
| <mumperer> Anyone awake?>:o | |
| <mumperer> OK - there's always daytime ... :( | |
| <GazzaK> Morning All :-) | |
| <alecjw> hey GazzaK | |
| <GazzaK> hey alecjw how are you this nice cold frosty morning? | |
| <alecjw> its frosty? | |
| <GazzaK> here it is | |
| <alecjw> i havent opened my curatins yet | |
| <GazzaK> seen outside yet? | |
| <GazzaK> hehe | |
| <alecjw> not until just a secodn ago | |
| <alecjw> and its not frosty | |
| <alecjw> i just woke up and found all of this on my floor: http://alecjw.no-ip.org/home/oops.jpg - then i remebered what i did last night | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, you'll be able to identify the rmains of a laptop, and lcd screen, a projector and various other geeky htigns in that photo..... | |
| <GazzaK> zzzzzzz so slow | |
| <alecjw> awwwwww | |
| <alecjw> but it isnt timing out is it? | |
| <GazzaK> it's not finding the host | |
| <alecjw> grrrrrr | |
| <GazzaK> stick it on imageshack.us? | |
| <alecjw> good idea | |
| <alecjw> tesco have proably close my port 80 because ive beenusing it too much | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oopsbj2.jpg | |
| <GazzaK> did you have a fight with it? | |
| <GazzaK> did it win? | |
| <alecjw> i was trying to fix the DLP projector, but have up (thats the box with the circuit boards at the bottom) and then i took apart the screen of the cubuntu laptop in frustration | |
| <alecjw> i was gonna make a DIY lcd proejctor | |
| <GazzaK> does any of it work now? | |
| <alecjw> the laptop works (but the screen doesnt) and the LDP works, but half of its pixels are dead | |
| <alecjw> and it's 370V lamp's covered in fingerprints...... | |
| <GazzaK> lol | |
| <alecjw> which will catch fire as soon as i swithc it on | |
| <alecjw> and thats the concesquences of me getting bored..... | |
| <GazzaK> thats a worry | |
| <GazzaK> what do your parents think :p | |
| <alecjw> the 19" DLP wil be next | |
| <GazzaK> I'm scared now | |
| <alecjw> they dont care........ as long as i dont get in their way | |
| <alecjw> actaullly, takign apart their monitor would be getting in their way | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, kinda | |
| <alecjw> i wanna make a DIY LCD projecor :'( | |
| <alecjw> http://tomshardware.co.uk/2004/11/13/supersize_your_tv_for_/index.html <---------- howto | |
| <GazzaK> nice guide | |
| <alecjw> indeedy | |
| <alecjw> yay! i'm gonan try and install a ralink card now so i can get rid of my broadcom | |
| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Steve Garton (sheepeatingtaz): This Makes Me Happy <http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2007/02/15/this-makes-me-happy/> | |
| <alecjw> huh? is bugbot then ew name for ubugtu? | |
| <alecjw> and whys it talkign aobut whatever that is | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, help me! its an intelligent bot! | |
| <alecjw> lol - apt is a browser.... | |
| <GazzaK> bugbot is new, yes | |
| * alecjw pokes bugbot | |
| <GazzaK> morning jono | |
| <jono> allo | |
| <alecjw> right i'm restarting to try and get htis ralink working | |
| <jayteeuk> MOrning all. | |
| <alecjw> hi jayteeuk | |
| <mumperer> Hi :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Hi mumperer. :) | |
| <GazzaK> eeek, anyone have any idea what a 32" crt telly might go for? I have a top quality, but five year old telly, which I need to sell | |
| <GazzaK> it was £1200 when new | |
| <mumperer> Go on - make yourself feel good: give it away! ;) | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: Probably not that much, as it is a CRT | |
| <GazzaK> even if I give it away, to whom? | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: You can get a 32" sony HD LCD tv for £850 | |
| <Seeker`> and you can get a flatscreen 32" CRT with built in freeview for £400 | |
| <GazzaK> Seeker`, it weighs a lot, how would you get it? | |
| <Seeker`> hmm, I dont really have room for a 32" TV | |
| <Seeker`> my room is tiny :( | |
| <popey> morning all | |
| <Seeker`> morning popey | |
| <Seeker`> you able to come to the scribes team meeting tonight? | |
| <popey> what time? | |
| <Seeker`> 8pm | |
| <Seeker`> lo DaveMorris | |
| <DaveMorris> hey | |
| <DaveMorris> I've still even downloaded that bot yet :( | |
| <Seeker`> :O | |
| <Seeker`> After all that hard work i put in!!! :P | |
| <Seeker`> dont worry about it, just give it a go when you have time | |
| * Seeker` has started getting spam on his blog :( | |
| * popey has almost stopped getting spam in his inbox \o/ | |
| * Seeker` doesn't get much email spam | |
| <Seeker`> popey: And dont get any ideas about sending me some :P | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah mine has died down | |
| <DaveMorris> spam assain and thuderbird now have it under control along with grey listing | |
| <popey> \o/ greylisting | |
| <DaveMorris> it seems to work, what do you think of it | |
| <popey> before greylisting around 250-300 spam a day would arrive, most of it would get tagged by mailscanner, now only 30 odd spam get through greylisting | |
| <popey> so there is considerably less for mailscanner to do, which is good, because mailscanner murders my system | |
| <Seeker`> perhaps a less homicidal mailscanner would be good | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> find me one | |
| <popey> that is as good as mailscanner, and is free | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Is it open source? | |
| <constrictor> hello everyone - beautiful morning today | |
| <popey> of course! | |
| <popey> it's better than open source, it's free | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Try and make the code more efficient then | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <popey> you overestimate my experience as a coder | |
| <DaveMorris> they are always going to be cpu intensive though | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: But it isn't necessarily efficient at the moment | |
| <Seeker`> popey: What language is it written in? | |
| <popey> i dont know | |
| <DaveMorris> time for me to write some tests cases and make sure my code is working correctly | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: Code for what? | |
| <DaveMorris> my job, I've reversed engineered an eyetracker for linux and then I'm doing ray tracing with it to work out where a user is looking | |
| <Seeker`> nice | |
| <Seeker`> take long? | |
| <DaveMorris> taking too long as I keep on spending time on other things. We have a graphics cluster which runs on ubuntu | |
| <DaveMorris> so I'm the goto guy for linux etc for veryone else | |
| <Seeker`> nice | |
| <DaveMorris> and it took me a while to understand this ray tracing algorthim (its used in computer graphics) | |
| <Seeker`> i've not done ray tracing yet | |
| <Seeker`> i may study it next year | |
| <Seeker`> it looks interesting | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah it is, just took me ages to get my head around it. And this hardware is really crap | |
| <DaveMorris> and I've had to put some dirty hacks in to get it to work | |
| <DaveMorris> it def gets messy when your working with hardware | |
| <DaveMorris> I'm gonna buy one of these next month and write a linux driver for it http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/11947.htm | |
| <constrictor> say has anyone used laplock before | |
| <popey> never heard of it | |
| <constrictor> i found it at tux mobile its a way of securing your laptop with a physical device like an sd card or usb disc | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: how easy is it to write drivers? | |
| <DaveMorris> well its usb, so I'd snoop the protocol from windows, then use libusb to talk to it from C | |
| <DaveMorris> then put a gui on top, I'll prob try and learn something on the gui part | |
| <Seeker`> how do you snoop the protocol? | |
| <DaveMorris> I think the program is called snoopy | |
| <DaveMorris> I'll check | |
| <DaveMorris> *clears the dust from his Win XP machines power button | |
| <popey> constrictor: looked at trucrypt? | |
| <constrictor> no | |
| <popey> it does full disk encryption on linux (and windows) | |
| <popey> http://www.truecrypt.org/ | |
| <constrictor> does it do the same thing? | |
| <popey> same thing as what? | |
| <constrictor> oh that yes yes i saw that | |
| <popey> why not use that? | |
| <constrictor> no what i mean was logging on to your laptop with a physical devise | |
| <constrictor> like what PAM USB does | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <DaveMorris> Seeker`: SnoopyPro is what I used | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: I may have a look at that | |
| <constrictor> i've always wanted to try something like that but configure PAM USB is not working for me | |
| <DaveMorris> libusb allows you to write the drivers in user space, so they can't do much damage | |
| <constrictor> i know i have been dense in the past but it's not proportional to the number of times i've tried making it work | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <popey> sarnie van has delivered | |
| * popey has a jumbo sausage in a roll with onion, mustard and tommy ketch | |
| <DaveMorris> hmmm, I want one | |
| <popey> The van plays la cucaracha when it arrives | |
| <popey> its like pavlovs dog, bell rings, people make for the door | |
| <DaveMorris> does it deliver to Brighton? | |
| <popey> probably not | |
| <DaveMorris> I need to find my local one then | |
| <popey> not the worst sausage in a roll I have ever had | |
| <jayteeuk> The last two places I worked we used to have something similar, but they stopped coming round for some reason. | |
| <jayteeuk> So we found a local sandwich shop and used to get someone to do a run for us on a Friday morning. | |
| <jayteeuk> The shop was called Fanny's Sandwich Bar. | |
| <jayteeuk> So we used to send someone out on a Fanny run. | |
| <jayteeuk> Blimey. | |
| <jayteeuk> Has someone got an ASCII-art tumbleweed I can borrow? | |
| <tsmithe> jayteeuk, ascii... | |
| <jayteeuk> I got my kernel to package popey. Dunno what I did differently though. | |
| <tsmithe> there's this... | |
| <tsmithe> tumbleweed.popey.com | |
| <jayteeuk> :P | |
| <GazzaK> and this one http://www.kearley.net/silly | |
| <jayteeuk> I didn't even notice you there GazzaK. :) | |
| * GazzaK is lurking | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: Why? | |
| <GazzaK> I'm hungry now | |
| <GazzaK> hayfever, sneezing like mad :'( | |
| <Seeker`> 1. Hayfever in february? | |
| <Seeker`> 2. Why does that make you lurk? | |
| <Seeker`> 3. How on earth did you create that abomination | |
| <GazzaK> dunno, maybe allergic to the cat then | |
| <GazzaK> 2. 'cos I feel bad, so and just looking at things like youtube etc | |
| <GazzaK> 3. how - stolen code :p | |
| <GazzaK> and it's my 404 error page | |
| <tsmithe> arrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhh myyyyyy eeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssss | |
| <tsmithe> http://www.kearley.net/media/Images/rainbow.gif should die | |
| <jayteeuk> I used to have separators like that in my first ever web page. | |
| <jayteeuk> Back in 1995. | |
| <tsmithe> :P | |
| <popey> 11:30 < jayteeuk> Has someone got an ASCII-art tumbleweed I can borrow? | |
| <popey> * | |
| <popey> or @ | |
| <popey> @ | |
| <popey> @ | |
| <popey> ' | |
| <popey> bah | |
| <popey> s/'/@ | |
| <tsmithe> ... | |
| <jayteeuk> More tumbleweed. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Is there a way, given an option in a kernel .config file, that I can see at a glance where it is in the make menuconfig? | |
| <Seeker`> lunchtime :D | |
| <tsmithe> jayteeuk, the menuconfig must be produced by some means. | |
| <tsmithe> however i'm not sure where it generates the structure from | |
| <jayteeuk> Kconfig files in the source tree, from what I've seen. | |
| <tsmithe> there's probably some kind of description file, if it's not in the .config itself | |
| <tsmithe> yeah - you're probably right | |
| <tsmithe> that's a bummer | |
| <tsmithe> s/probably/surely/ | |
| *** schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | |
| <tsmithe> schwuk, your site is borken | |
| <tsmithe> 502 Bad Gateway | |
| <schwuk> tsmithe: fscking RoR application | |
| <tsmithe> RoR? | |
| * schwuk pokes it with a sharp stick | |
| <schwuk> tsmithe: Rails | |
| <tsmithe> ah | |
| <tsmithe> a website in ruby... cool | |
| * tsmithe does python but is scared by ruby's syntax | |
| <schwuk> tsmithe: if it worked, yes | |
| <schwuk> tsmithe: it's back | |
| * schwuk prefers ruby's syntax over python | |
| <constrictor> anyone use wordpress here | |
| <constrictor> ? | |
| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Caroline Ford: whaaa <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/125219.html> | |
| <constrictor> WORDPRESS | |
| <tsmithe> i do | |
| <tsmithe> schwuk, bit slow but very nice | |
| <constrictor> i was trying to find a quick way of creating a gallery in wordpress without having to upload each one by ftp or something | |
| <constrictor> but i found one that uses your flickr photostream to create a gallery for you | |
| <tsmithe> mmmhmmm | |
| <LoudMouthMan> sigh ... mcafee autoinstaller it installs even when you decline the license ! | |
| <tsmithe> !!! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> how dumb is that ! sigh | |
| <Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: Coming to the scribes meeting tonight? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey seeker` | |
| <Seeker`> I dont think it will be as long as the last one | |
| <LoudMouthMan> will be . | |
| <Seeker`> how are you doing? you aren't online as much any more | |
| <LoudMouthMan> jan/feb/mar for me are busy times for the year .. with clients spending budgets before the end of year | |
| <LoudMouthMan> im around . its just easier to email/call me if its urgent | |
| <Seeker`> cool | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and jan was crappy time for colds and flu .. then again most on here wont be around may to jun because of exams ! | |
| <Seeker`> so you spend most days working at clients? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yep . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> was on a mac site yesterday and a windows site before that and today im at my linux site I just need a as400 site to feel back in the saddle again | |
| <LoudMouthMan> sigh , comes to something when you sit and wonder what a users password was and then seeing the tshirt on the wall . you enter the name of the football team and your in! | |
| <popey> LoudMouthMan: the norton one is better, you can't *not* agree to the license. It wont let you. | |
| * Seeker` sighs at some passwords | |
| <DaveMorris> hehe | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey really ? well I took pictures of the Mcafee process and will post about it , if you can track down nortons id like to see them aswell. i think its annoying as hell to have a clean laptop to set up and it just boots a whole bunch of nagware! | |
| <Seeker`> although i know people at the other end of the scale that use 10 digit alphanumeric random passwords for everything | |
| <DaveMorris> I have about 4 different passwords for my machines | |
| <Seeker`> and then wonder why they cant remember any of their passwords | |
| <DaveMorris> with the ones in the DMZ been the strongest | |
| <popey> LoudMouthMan: i already removed it | |
| <txwikinger> hehe.. I have multiple admin account with different passwords | |
| <popey> this is from my accountants pc | |
| * Seeker` has 4 different passwords he uses for everuthing | |
| <txwikinger> so I can reset them when I forget what I used | |
| <Seeker`> i really need to sort out my passwords | |
| <DaveMorris> heh, I jut stick in a live cd | |
| <Seeker`> find some new secure one | |
| <Seeker`> s/one/ones | |
| <Seeker`> and then go and change all of the existsing ones so that i'm not using good passwords on crap sites | |
| <popey> I have separate crap passwords for websites | |
| <popey> which I dont use for systems at home | |
| * Seeker` may sit down after the meeting tonight and try to sort stuff out | |
| <Seeker`> it'll probably take a while | |
| * Seeker` has problems remembering passwords though | |
| <jayteeuk> Right, lunch/nursery time. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> jayteeuk that sounds so wrong ! | |
| <jayteeuk> Yeah, I just realised that. | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm going to nursery to eat some kids. :D | |
| <Seeker`> :O | |
| <jayteeuk> Fee fi fo fum and all that. | |
| <jayteeuk> You know what I mean. | |
| <jayteeuk> I'll be back in an hour or so. | |
| * Seeker` wonders if he should put some easter eggs in to the site he is workin on | |
| <txwikinger> DaveMorris: Not with a server that is not supposed to be rebooted | |
| <neuro_> <popey> I have separate crap passwords for websites | |
| <neuro_> <popey> which I dont use for systems at home | |
| <neuro_> ditto | |
| <neuro_> except for things like paypal, banks, etc, where i still use tremendously strong passwords :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Sounds like a plan. | |
| <popey> hehe | |
| <popey> yeah, makes sense | |
| <LoudMouthMan> reminds me of a user question from eons ago when asked how to create a strong password it was suggested they use a bolder font because bigger text is stronger text. | |
| <jayteeuk> Heheheh. :) | |
| <DaveMorris> lol | |
| <jayteeuk> I've not heard that one before. | |
| <jayteeuk> But I do remember a Dilbert strip about passwords. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> its like if johnny bloody foreigner doesnt understand the memo then use a larger font ! | |
| <jayteeuk> I think it was PHB calling Dogbert's tech support to say his password showed up as all asterisks. | |
| <jayteeuk> So Dogbert told him to change his password to five asterisks or something. | |
| <jayteeuk> brb, need to test a new kernel. | |
| <Seeker`> woo, beryl works again | |
| <GazzaK> boing | |
| <LoudMouthMan> beryl works and amanda saves but ruby is raily cool ? hmm no ? | |
| <Seeker`> ... | |
| <Seeker`> @lart LoudMouthMan | |
| <LoudMouthMan> linux advanced radio terminal ? hmm maybe not. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so whose applying for a paypal token then ? | |
| <Seeker`> paypal token? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> theres a new security rf widget to do onetime keys for your logins. | |
| <Seeker`> what is netgear WGooh | |
| <Seeker`> blah | |
| <Seeker`> 1. What is the support like for a netger W511 in ubuntu | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ill take spurious routers for 200 bob | |
| <Seeker`> 2. Ohh. shame i dont use paypal | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well if you use both hands and a tripod its excellent support but just balancing it no the edge of the sofa ( the edgy install ) not so muh. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> much | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: huh? | |
| <jayteeuk> jpc | |
| <jayteeuk> You're worse than me LoudMouthMan. ;) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I resemble that remark | |
| <jayteeuk> Are you here all week? | |
| <jayteeuk> I shouldn't encourage you. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heheh im in and out . | |
| <jayteeuk> Fnaar fnaar, etc. | |
| <tsmithe> fnaar?? | |
| <Seeker`> anyone able to answer the question sensibly? | |
| <tsmithe> Seeker`, question? | |
| <Seeker`> 1. What is the support like for a netger W511 in ubuntu | |
| <tsmithe> sporadic | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well i have one of those cards in stock I could go test tonight | |
| * Seeker` is trying to convince someone to use ubuntu, and one of their stipulations is that their wireless card must work | |
| <tsmithe> what chipset is it | |
| <tsmithe> ? | |
| * popey notes Seeker` should look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/NetgearWG511andNdiswrapper perhaps | |
| * popey hugs the wiki | |
| * popey hugs all wikis | |
| <popey> (except those based on mediawiki) | |
| <popey> (except wikipedia) | |
| <tsmithe> hehe | |
| <tsmithe> whats wrong whit mediawiki? | |
| <jayteeuk> Out of interest, what wiki software does wiki.ubuntu.com use? | |
| <tsmithe> moinmoin no? | |
| <tsmithe> "Powered By the MoinMoin Wiki Engine" | |
| <jayteeuk> Oh yes, right there in the tiny font right at the bottom. | |
| <popey> \o/ python powered | |
| <popey> I dont like mediawiki because it has pretty crappy spam protection and lots of security alerts | |
| <popey> (partly IMO due to it being php based) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oooh im back 1 | |
| <Seeker`> wb | |
| * jayteeuk yawns. | |
| <DaveMorris> whats the next version (after feisty) going to be called | |
| <apokryphos> hasn't been announced yet | |
| <jayteeuk> Grumpy Gecko. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Was Warty first? | |
| <jayteeuk> Warty, Hoary, Breezy, Dapper, Edgy, Feisty? | |
| <tsmithe> warty | |
| <tsmithe> jayteeuk, not grumpy | |
| <tsmithe> g is taken | |
| <tsmithe> h is taken | |
| <tsmithe> it will be "i" | |
| <jayteeuk> Really? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> pwned ? because it will have those scary drivers for gamers ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> pwned pengiun ! | |
| <jayteeuk> lol | |
| <DaveMorris> why is g and h taken? | |
| <jayteeuk> Assuming the initial is to be unique, H is for Hoary. | |
| <DaveMorris> and G? gentoo? | |
| <jayteeuk> I don't know of a G though. Was there a pre-release with G or something? | |
| <Seeker`> intrepid iguana | |
| <DaveMorris> gwsense ? | |
| <tsmithe> G = Grumpy Groundhog | |
| <tsmithe> it's a not-released version of the latest everything to be imported when necessary into the repos, i hear... | |
| * tsmithe looks up the page | |
| <jayteeuk> Ah, I wasn't aware of that. | |
| <constrictor> i'm out guys | |
| <constrictor> catch y'all later | |
| <DaveMorris> bye | |
| <jayteeuk> Seeya constrictor. | |
| <Seeker`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/GrumpyGroundhog | |
| <tsmithe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/GrumpyGroundhog | |
| <tsmithe> Seeker`, bah | |
| <tsmithe> :P | |
| <jayteeuk> But is there a policy of keeping the initial unique? | |
| <jayteeuk> It didn't start at A, after all. | |
| <Seeker`> jono: You know anytying about the ubuntu release naming policy? | |
| <DaveMorris> Groundhog seems like a nightmare :) | |
| <jono> Seeker`: nope | |
| <jayteeuk> Groundhog sounds like Gentoo. :-P | |
| <Seeker`> anyone know when herd4 isg oing to be released? | |
| <Seeker`> and how easy is it to upgrade from herd-3 to herd-4 | |
| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Jono Bacon: Stunning <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=895> | |
| <popey> Seeker`: you running herd-3? | |
| <popey> why not just keep up to date with update-manager? | |
| <Norf-ubu> hi - wireless problems - lspci shows I have a Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) and iwconfig says thats its "mounted" as eth1 - yet i cannot connect or see any wireless networks out there with "wireless assistant" - any clues or pointers ? | |
| <jayteeuk> Later folks. | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Yep | |
| <popey> i generally dont update to the herd- releases, I just keep my machines up to date | |
| <popey> i have two physical and one virtual machine running feisty | |
| <Seeker`> so as long as i keep up with what is in the repos, it should keep up with the latest feisty release? | |
| <popey> you will be ahead of it in all likelyhood | |
| <popey> they make an iso (herd-4 for example) and in the time it takes you to notice, download, burn and install, more updates are out | |
| <popey> ok, getting the iso means you get to test the installer again.. and can provide feedback on that, but if you just want an operational machine that has the latest packages then just install whatever the latest working herd- there is and update it | |
| <popey> I update mine pretty much every day | |
| <popey> sometimes I leave my desktop a few days, but at least one of them gets an update every day or so | |
| * popey notes highest uptime on his server is 205 days | |
| <popey> currently 120 days | |
| <Seeker`> k | |
| <Seeker`> hometime | |
| <Norf-ubu> i have a belkin wireless card - lspi shows it as a Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 - and iwconfig says that its "mounted" as eth1 - yet its dead in the water.,.. wireless assistant says there is nothing out there and manually configing it with networking doesn't seem to activate it (ie i cant see it on my windows box as an available ssid) - fairly newb here so help appreciated | |
| <popey> hell Norf-ubu | |
| <Norf-ubu> hiya | |
| <Norf-ubu> and yes it is hell :P | |
| <popey> no its not | |
| <popey> its one tiny problem that, when fixed, you will forget about | |
| <popey> have you looked at ndiswrapper? | |
| <Norf-ubu> not yet :P | |
| <Norf-ubu> but googling it now | |
| <popey> well | |
| <popey> first thing I googled is BCM4306 and linux | |
| <popey> and the first page suggested ndiswrapper | |
| <popey> but I am looking further | |
| <Norf-ubu> appreciated | |
| <Norf-ubu> Popey - where did i put my Drivers disk <grins> lol | |
| <popey> In the bin if you're like me | |
| <popey> but you can always download them | |
| <Norf-ubu> yeah - sussed - if this works - both systems are going Ubuntu | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> good | |
| <popey> and this problem will be a distant memory | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <Norf-ubu> i'm starting to see the windows partition as extra storage instead of my main OS | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> good | |
| <Norf-ubu> rebbot time | |
| <Norf-ubu> reboot* | |
| <khronus> lo all | |
| <khronus> i have just tried to install ubuntu but it fails and hangs at 28% so i diskchecked and it failed | |
| <khronus> hence i reburnt it and it failed | |
| * tsmithe has khronic hayfever... seems to affect me in winter as well :( | |
| <khronus> i then d/led from a diff mirror and burnt it at slowest speed...and it failed | |
| <khronus> any ideas? | |
| <tsmithe> which release is this? | |
| <khronus> dodgy release? bad burning software? | |
| <tsmithe> ^^ | |
| <khronus> 6.106.10 | |
| <khronus> oops | |
| <khronus> 6.10 | |
| <tsmithe> hmm | |
| <tsmithe> tried the alternate cd? | |
| <khronus> alternate? no, ive not looked properly im 2nd half of a 2man operation here lol | |
| <khronus> my mate d/led it | |
| <khronus> ive not read up | |
| <khronus> lemme go look | |
| <khronus> i can only see normal and LTS | |
| *** mdke_ is now known as mdke | |
| <Norf-ubu> well that didnt wor :/ | |
| <Norf-ubu> work* | |
| * txwikinger is going to LUG meet | |
| <AdamBagnall> Evening all | |
| <Norf-ubu> hiya | |
| <rbs-tito> My new printer works great in Edgy | |
| * rbs-tito loves HP | |
| <GazzaK> evening all | |
| * GazzaK is playing on mac mini | |
| <Seeker`> popey: You fancy helping me work out why my wireless is dead? | |
| <Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan | |
| * Seeker` is probably going to be a bit late to the scribes meeting | |
| <Norf-ubu> Seeker`: funny u should say that - i'm having probs with my wireless too :/ | |
| <AdamBagnall> Seeker`, what wireless card have you got and what's the prob? | |
| <Seeker`> Cant remember the model | |
| <Seeker`> its a netgear | |
| <Seeker`> with acx111 chipset | |
| <Seeker`> it doesn't want to conntect to the router | |
| <Seeker`> dmesg gives various error messages | |
| <Seeker`> including | |
| <AdamBagnall> Erk, not dealt with them. I've got broadcoms working with ndiswrapper and native driver, and I've dealt with ralink, zydas and prism2, but never atheros | |
| <Seeker`> wlan0: FAILED to free any of the many full tx buffers. Switching the emergency freeing. Please report! | |
| <Seeker`> wlan0: tx timeout! | |
| <popey> was this the one I gave you a URL for earlier? | |
| <Seeker`> wlan0: less than 5 minutes since last radio recalibration, not recalibrating (maybe card is too hot?) | |
| <Seeker`> popey: No | |
| <Seeker`> and the last message is : | |
| <AdamBagnall> Has anyone here run renouveau? It's segfaulting for me after/during test 4/73. | |
| <Seeker`> NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out | |
| <popey> AdamBagnall: segfaults immediately for me | |
| <popey> AdamBagnall: you are better off asking them in their irc channel, they are very helpful | |
| <LoudMouthMan> evening Seeker` sorry ,was on phone ! | |
| * LoudMouthMan heads outto stock room to locate netgear wireless card . | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: Am not in any rush for you to test that card | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wg511 was it seeker` do you have it or are you planning on getting it ? | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: One of my friends has it - they are currently using some obscure knoppix based distro, i'm trying to get them to use ubunut, and they said they wouldn't use it unless their card worked | |
| <Seeker`> its a P | |
| <khronus> any ideas why my ubuntu d/l keeps failing the diskcheck? | |
| <Seeker`> its a laptop card | |
| <khronus> ive tried d/l ing from 2 diff servers/mirrors | |
| <khronus> and reburnt at slowest speed | |
| <khronus> but no luck | |
| <LoudMouthMan> right well one moment I will be back ! | |
| <popey> khronus: have you checked the md5sums of the iso before burning? | |
| <popey> Seeker`: if it works on knoppix it can be made to work on ubuntu, the only question is how much effort it takes | |
| <khronus> no I will get on it now | |
| <butlershouse> hey Seeker` the wg511 in my fujitsu amilo lg7310 with 2.6.17 kernel didnt work . sorry . | |
| <Seeker`> butlershouse: Any idea why? | |
| <butlershouse> ooh locobot2! wow ! whose put that up then .. . | |
| <butlershouse> um no . sorry ! i only had a few mins .. dinner time now ! | |
| <popey> Seeker`: does google not have any answers? | |
| <Seeker`> butlershouse: Thats ok, thanks for trying | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Nothing that i thought was particularly obvious | |
| <GazzaK> ❤ oh popey, will you be my belated Valentine :p | |
| <popey> why not get them to do the work, when they have knoppix up and running, get some stuff like dmesg / ifconfig / lspci / lsusb etc etc from their machines | |
| <popey> GazzaK | |
| <Seeker`> Ubuntu-scribes meeting beginning in 3 mins in #ubuntu-scribes | |
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| <GazzaK> awwww | |
| <popey> can you believe I installed some non-free software just to do that | |
| <GazzaK> haha | |
| <X3N> anyone on BT yahoo broadband ? | |
| <popey> Seeker`: probably the reason why it works on knoppix is because knoppix ships *with* ndiswrapper, ubuntu doesnt | |
| <Seeker`> popey: fair enough | |
| <X3N> darich: you about ? | |
| <popey> in fact I would lay money that is what is happening | |
| <Seeker`> noone wants to come to the scribes meeting :( | |
| <darich> hey X3N | |
| <popey> Seeker`: very few people came to the screencast meeting - dont worry | |
| <Seeker`> well, it is currently me and ausimage | |
| <popey> run it as normal then | |
| * popey is off to have his tea, | |
| <popey> sorry | |
| <AdamBagnall> Seeker`, was it an acx111 chipset in that card? If so I can confirm they work out of the box on Ubuntu. | |
| <Seeker`> AdamBagnall: Yes, it was | |
| <AdamBagnall> I'm using one at the moment, it spews errors and slows down sometimes, but does work. | |
| <Seeker`> AdamBagnall: It was working, it just seems to have died now | |
| <AdamBagnall> Maybe it's the card. Do you want me to give Keeley this one tomorrow for you to try out? I dont need it. | |
| <Seeker`> nah, i've got windows on the machine, and it works ok with that | |
| <Seeker`> thanks for the offer | |
| <AdamBagnall> No probs. Strange that it just stopped working though | |
| <Seeker`> Hmm. I rebooted and it worked again | |
| <Seeker`> it has happened before | |
| <Seeker`> and i just had to reboot until it worked | |
| <AdamBagnall> Well I think Atheros chipsets have binary blob firmwares, so we'll blame that :-) | |
| <Seeker`> heh | |
| <Seeker`> its died again now | |
| * oOo whacks GazzaK | |
| <Norf-ubu> :( | |
| *** oOo is now known as GazzaK | |
| <Norf-ubu> what started as a nice easy joyride in installing a wireless card is now turning into an obsession <grins> | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> that can happen | |
| <Norf-ubu> ndiswrapper is not working at all - i found this guide and followed it - still nothing - http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Belkin_F5D7000_USA_Wireless_Card_in_Linux_Complete_Guide | |
| <Norf-ubu> i am certain somethings "all brook up" | |
| <Norf-ubu> but for me - its like giving a hammer to a YTS and saying "fix that" <grins> | |
| <popey> have you followed the ubuntu specific ndiswrapper instructions? | |
| <Norf-ubu> yeah to the letter | |
| <Norf-ubu> seems to install ok | |
| <popey> what guide did you follow? | |
| <Norf-ubu> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Belkin_F5D7000_USA_Wireless_Card_in_Linux_Complete_Guide | |
| <popey> that isn't the ubuntu guide | |
| <popey> when I say ubuntu specific, I mean one in the official documentation | |
| <Norf-ubu> ahhhhhhhhh | |
| <Norf-ubu> official :/ | |
| <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper | |
| <Norf-ubu> ah - i think the magic line is "echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" | |
| <Norf-ubu> cheers - off to break something again - i may be back <grins> | |
| <GazzaK> breaking stuff is fun | |
| <Norf-ubu> its is on windows cos i know what the hell i'm doing! | |
| <Norf-ubu> this is a case of the blind leading the olympic commitee at the moment :P | |
| <X3N> can i borrow some one's dns servers ? | |
| <rbs-tito> Hi | |
| <rbs-tito> Does anyone know if they plan to packae the rt61 drivers with Feisty? | |
| <GazzaK> hehe, Tom just nearly burnt the house down | |
| <rbs-tito> ...Explain | |
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| <GazzaK> rbs-tito, a cooking incident | |
| <GazzaK> put the food into the oven too high, like so close to the top heating element | |
| <rbs-tito> Did it catch fire then? | |
| <Norf_ubu> :-s | |
| <Norf_ubu> well it worked :P | |
| <Norf_ubu> cheers Mr Pope :P | |
| <GazzaK> rbs-tito, sorry for the late reply, no, almost, a little bit charred :p | |
| <rbs-tito> Lol, I nearly blew the place up frying prawns. They were a bit wet for the oil :( | |
| <GazzaK> I once set fire to bacon, that was fun, just as my parents walked in | |
| <tsmithe> ? | |
| <tsmithe> why would you do that?! | |
| <tsmithe> bacon == tasty! | |
| <GazzaK> I did not mean to tsmithe | |
| <tsmithe> oh | |
| <tsmithe> i thought you were just a pyromaniac | |
| <tsmithe> "that was fun" | |
| * Seeker` set his dinner alight tonight | |
| <Seeker`> and that was deliberate |
