| <Burgwork> sfllaw: ping | |
| <lophyte> Burgwork: ping | |
| <Burgwork> lophyte: pong | |
| <Burgwork> mckay? | |
| <Burgwork> didn't happen today | |
| <lophyte> hehe, no | |
| <lophyte> Evan Leibovitch will be attending the next Ubuntu Toronto meeting | |
| <Burgwork> stickers? not going to happen till the weekend | |
| <Burgwork> website: ditto | |
| <Burgwork> ah | |
| <Burgwork> something I can answer! | |
| <lophyte> haha | |
| <Burgwork> I believe in growing my loco team via neglect! :) | |
| <Burgwork> worked for AU! | |
| <lophyte> LOL | |
| <lophyte> I hate the phone | |
| <lophyte> what a stupid invention | |
| <lophyte> every 5 minutes... | |
| <Burgwork> why I don't own a cell phone | |
| <Heterocephalus> where is the toronto meeting happening exactly? | |
| <lophyte> linuxcaffe | |
| <lophyte> same place as always :) | |
| <Burgwork> lophyte: can I invite Andrew to come by the linuxcaffe to chat about his article? | |
| <Heterocephalus> same place as i've never been | |
| <lophyte> Burgwork: sure can... djp already has | |
| <Burgwork> ok | |
| <Heterocephalus> found map | |
| <lophyte> Burgwork: you can even invite him to the -toronto meeting so he can see we're not a bunch of delinquent linux users :P | |
| <lophyte> Heterocephalus: you should join us next wednesday if you're in the toronto area | |
| <Heterocephalus> am i allowed to connect twice | |
| <lophyte> we're going to be having an interesting discussion about Ubuntu's role in the Canadian Linux/FOSS community | |
| <Heterocephalus> im koi-mobile | |
| <Heterocephalus> on a desktop | |
| <lophyte> ahh. | |
| <lophyte> I'm pretty sure you can | |
| <Heterocephalus> confusing yes | |
| <Burgwork> lophyte: ok | |
| <Heterocephalus> id love to come | |
| <Heterocephalus> i think i also can | |
| <lophyte> oh right.. didn't you say you had class on wednesday nights? | |
| <Heterocephalus> i was helping highschool kids make a robot | |
| <lophyte> ah, right | |
| <Heterocephalus> but that's over before next wed | |
| <lophyte> cool | |
| <jamonation> hey lophyte, how'd the TLUG meet go? | |
| <marmer> night all | |
| <Madpilot> hi jamonation | |
| <jamonation> hi there | |
| <Madpilot> Anyone else get an email from "Brad Dubiser"? | |
| <Madpilot> Dubisar, actually | |
| <jamonation> on the mailing list? | |
| <jamonation> none that i can see | |
| <Madpilot> no, direct, but apparently he got my email from the Ubuntu wiki. Wondering how many other people he contacted. | |
| <jamonation> hmm | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: I didn't make it | |
| <jamonation> ah | |
| <jamonation> good job with getting evan to commit to coming though | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <lophyte> we're gonna chat before the meeting and then make some proposals to the group and have an open discussion about it | |
| <jamonation> you can bet he'll have an agenda of talking points thought of ahead of time | |
| <lophyte> most likely | |
| <lophyte> though I'm in favour of most of the things he's mentioned | |
| <jamonation> good good | |
| <lophyte> I dunno about other people... we'll discuss it anyhow | |
| <jamonation> after things cooled off, people became constructive | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <lophyte> I'd much rather work WITH the community than AGAINST it | |
| <jamonation> so i'm just about ready to upgrade the server to 128, think it will be worth it? | |
| <lophyte> yeah, I'm willing to pay the extra bit | |
| <jamonation> i know we talked about it, just gets expensive is all | |
| <lophyte> I think it's worth it | |
| <jamonation> ok, i'll send the email then | |
| <jamonation> haven't had any spare time this week or weekend | |
| <lophyte> its what, $30 CAD? | |
| <lophyte> so $15 each? | |
| <jamonation> yeah, about that | |
| <lophyte> no problem | |
| <jamonation> we're gonna have to run spamassin or something I think | |
| <jamonation> my jamonation.com site is on there now and i get a few hundred spam messages a day | |
| <lophyte> ouch | |
| <lophyte> our box is hosting your mail? | |
| <jamonation> it is now :) | |
| <lophyte> nice, I should do that | |
| <jamonation> my shared host decided to invoice me while I was in beijing | |
| <lophyte> rather than using this gmail forwarding | |
| <jamonation> and then proceeded to tell me they would cut me off in 7 days | |
| <jamonation> so I said send me a tarball and forward dns to quantact | |
| <lophyte> haha | |
| <jamonation> did you know that ensim control panel stores your backup in a proprietary format? | |
| <lophyte> no.. I've never played with ensim | |
| <jamonation> it downloads as a .tgz, but you can't untar it all the way | |
| <lophyte> I really wanna go to Ubuntu Live | |
| <jamonation> if you setup mail on the box, lets figure out how to configure courier properly with proper maildirs | |
| <jamonation> yeah, me too | |
| <lophyte> but I doubt I can get my passport in time | |
| <lophyte> I hear there's a huge backlog for passport applications | |
| <jamonation> let's save up and go, it is when july? | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <jamonation> umm, you only need the passport for flying | |
| <jamonation> you can get in on the ground without | |
| <lophyte> oh, really? | |
| <jamonation> yeah | |
| <jamonation> and even then, july is lots of time | |
| <lophyte> ahh.. I thought you needed a passport to enter the US, period | |
| <jamonation> usually the passport office takes 10 business days I think | |
| <lophyte> my girlfriend's mom applied for her passport and they told her it'd take up to 6 months | |
| <jamonation> so apply now and you'll have it way sooner than everyone is talking about | |
| <jamonation> wow | |
| <jamonation> lucky i got mine last year | |
| <jamonation> certainly doesn't make me want to visit the US though | |
| <lophyte> she got awarded employee of the year at her company, which includes a free trip to Florida.. but she can't go because she doesn't have a passport | |
| <lophyte> but anyhow.. if you can get in on the ground without, that's cool | |
| <lophyte> I'll start saving up now | |
| <jamonation> roadtrip :) | |
| <lophyte> do you have a license? | |
| <jamonation> might want to book a hotel soon | |
| <jamonation> no i don't actually | |
| <lophyte> me neither, lol | |
| <lophyte> so much for a roadtrip ;) | |
| <jamonation> but if it is a large event, hotels in the area will be filling up fast | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <jamonation> well, roadtrip with only 2 people is hardly worth it | |
| <lophyte> I wonder who else we can get in on the trip | |
| <jamonation> much better with 4-5 people in a small car with a tent and sleeping bags... | |
| <jamonation> no stopping for showers either | |
| <lophyte> haha | |
| <lophyte> I've never travelled at all.. so.. *shrug* | |
| <lophyte> I'm sheltered :P | |
| <jamonation> heh, provincial and state parks -- they're superb | |
| <lophyte> I'm up for it if we can find people to go | |
| <jamonation> ah we can and will | |
| <johanbr> Hmm. Googling tells me Ubuntu Live is in Portland, Oregon. Are you seriously considering driving from Toronto to Portland? | |
| <lophyte> apparently :) | |
| <jamonation> roadtrip! | |
| <Madpilot> lophyte, the Yank passport rule currently only applies to visits by aircraft. Ground & sea entries will require a passport by next Jan. | |
| <lophyte> ahh | |
| <lophyte> cool | |
| <Madpilot> this sucks, because I don't have a current passport, and have a large number of cool US destinations within an hours flight time | |
| <Madpilot> the stupid rule applies to private a/c as well as commercial passangers :| | |
| <lophyte> isn't California just over an hour for you? | |
| <Madpilot> depends. If I fly myself, it's 1hr to Seattle and about 2 or 2.5 to Portland | |
| <lophyte> ah | |
| <lophyte> ..wait you fly? | |
| <lophyte> guess you've got a suiting nickname, then :P | |
| <Madpilot> yup. Got my Private lic. in 2002. The IRC nick is not entirley random | |
| <Madpilot> :) | |
| <lophyte> nice | |
| <lophyte> wanna fly to Toronto and pick us up? :D | |
| * jamonation reboots | |
| <Madpilot> that's a bit far. I might fly down to Portland to join you, though! | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| <Madpilot> Pair up with another pilot, they can bring the plane home so I don't have to pay to keep it on the ground in OR | |
| <lophyte> I wonder how much a flight costs to Portland | |
| <johanbr> Plane parking is expensive? | |
| <lophyte> though a roadtrip would be fun | |
| <Madpilot> johanbr, not really, but I'd pay rental just to keep the plane on the ground, which is a waste of money | |
| <Madpilot> I don't own an a/c, I just rent the Flying Club's | |
| <johanbr> Ah, okay. | |
| <Burgundavia> Madpilot: that is just before OSCON | |
| <Burgundavia> I am going to see if I can go as the company rep this year | |
| <lophyte> would be cool to meet up with you folks there | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, think Userful will foot the bill for a Cessna trip down? ;) | |
| <Burgundavia> likely | |
| <Madpilot> failing flying all the way, we can fly to Seattle & take Amtrak | |
| <Burgundavia> lophyte: however, if you drive from toronto, it almost makes sense for you to drive to vancouver and I can meet you there | |
| <johanbr> I was in Portland two years ago. Those Intel guys & gals really know how to party. I had a headache for two days afterwards. :) | |
| <Burgundavia> hmm, maybe it doesn't | |
| <lophyte> Burgundavia: that would be neat | |
| <Burgundavia> however seattle is only another 100km | |
| <johanbr> More like 200 km. | |
| <Burgundavia> http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=seattle&daddr=portland,+or&sll=45.521744,-111.884766&sspn=12.624563,43.286133&ie=UTF8&z=7&om=1 | |
| <Burgundavia> right, 173 miles | |
| <Madpilot> it's about 100NM to Seattle from Victoria, by Cessna :) | |
| <Burgundavia> hmm, I want to go to Ubuntu Live, Seville UDS and South Africa, all before Christmas | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, and OSCON? | |
| <jamonation> we'd hit up vancouver on the way for sure Madpilot | |
| <Burgundavia> yep | |
| <lophyte> I'm supposed to be getting together with a bunch of friends in Chicago | |
| <lophyte> I wonder if I can organize it so that on the roadtrip back from Ubuntu Live, I can get dropped off in Chicago | |
| <jamonation> that shouldn't be too hard | |
| <Madpilot> The RIAA blames Canada: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1679&Itemid=125 | |
| <jamonation> head through wyoming and such | |
| <Madpilot> lophyte, when you're going that distance, a detour to Chicago hardly signifies | |
| <jamonation> it's in the general direction... | |
| <johanbr> Fun weather here on the east coast right now: http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_400x300c/SIR/inmSIRNS_.gif | |
| <Burgundavia> Madpilot: check your email | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I am. What am I checking it for? | |
| <Burgundavia> openstreetmap stuff | |
| <Burgundavia> I got sucked into the openstreetmap stuff as well, lophyte | |
| <Solver> hello all | |
| <Solver> I just read Jamon's post on GTALUG and thought I'd drop in :) | |
| <jamonation> hi Solver | |
| <Burgundavia> welcome Solver | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| <lophyte> welcome :) | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, new OSM email, or one from a day or two ago? | |
| <Burgundavia> Madpilot: check the one I send just now, with the attached svg | |
| <jamonation> Solver: are you a gtalug member now? | |
| <Burgundavia> off for that dinner thing with A | |
| <Burgundavia> see you all | |
| <jamonation> yes, that dinner thing | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <Solver> jamonation: I'm the talks maintainer so I've been a member for a long time. Gotta sign up or something now it is incorporated :) | |
| * Solver even uses Ubuntu a lot these days :) | |
| <jamonation> ah, I see | |
| <lophyte> Solver: what do you think of Evan's comments on the GTALUG list, about bringing the forces together and such? | |
| <Solver> jamonation: that's me :) | |
| <jamonation> hi there then | |
| <Solver> lophyte: I have a feeling reducing Ubuntu Toronto to a SIG would upset a lot of people. Combined effort is good but no need to actually incorporate everything imho | |
| * lophyte nods | |
| <Solver> I've run a LUG for years. It's damn hard work - no need to make it bigger than it needs to be :) | |
| <jamonation> i don't know that the suggestion that every group be a SIG part of GTALUG is a good one either though | |
| <Solver> yeah. seems to bureaucratic to me | |
| <Solver> no real advantage | |
| <lophyte> I think that while Ubuntu Toronto should be working together with GTALUG... it needs to remain connected to the Ubuntu community as well, being a loco team and all | |
| <Solver> 10 or 12 years ago we tried something like that with HUMBUG (http://www.humbug.org.au) | |
| <lophyte> hehe, humbug | |
| <Solver> in the end no one wanted to put the work in to get multiple chapters running. | |
| <Solver> :) | |
| <lophyte> bunch of christmas haters eh? :P | |
| <Solver> rotfl - nah just unix geeks :) | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| <johanbr> humbug.org.au rings a bell, but I can't place where I've heard it before. | |
| <Solver> ever been to Aus? | |
| <Solver> I bet I know where | |
| <johanbr> Yes, I was at UQ last year actually. I don't think it's from there, though. | |
| <Solver> Anthony Towns, DPL, is a member. he posts from the address | |
| <johanbr> Yes! That's it! Thank you. | |
| <Solver> checked the man page for ifup in Ubuntu | |
| <Solver> AJ used his humbug address in the ifup man page - I loved that ;) | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: I'm really liking this roadtrip idea | |
| <lophyte> gonna start putting money away now | |
| <Solver> johanbr: are you an Aussie? | |
| * Solver went to UQ he says proudly | |
| <johanbr> Solver: Nope. Swede living in Canada (Halifax). I was at UQ for work last year. | |
| <Solver> small world eh :) | |
| <jamonation> yeah lophyte, we have to do it | |
| <johanbr> Very nice campus, I liked the buildings. | |
| <Solver> yeah. the great court is very pretty. and the lakes. I miss it :) | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: how long do you think a trip to Portland would take? | |
| <jamonation> dunno | |
| <jamonation> wed have to map it | |
| <jamonation> one day i'm going to bike across the country | |
| <johanbr> I've never driven the whole distance, but train Toronto-Vancouver takes about 72 hours. I'd count on that as a bare minimum. | |
| <Solver> johanbr: that sounds pretty quick actually | |
| <Solver> I would have guessed more | |
| <lophyte> I was thinking like near a week | |
| <Solver> yeah I was thinking 5 days+ | |
| <Solver> I've only flown it though | |
| <jamonation> i hear 4 days with just enough time for sleeping is not hard | |
| <lophyte> hey... we'd drive through the rockies on our way there | |
| <jamonation> oh yeah | |
| <Solver> slow up the mountains eh? | |
| <jamonation> no doubt | |
| <lophyte> that's too awesome | |
| <johanbr> If you haven't seen the Rockies, you really have to stop there for a few days. | |
| <jamonation> maybe with the mapping thing this weekend we can get some good tips on using grass and map our route accurately | |
| * Solver wants to see more of Canada - esp the north in the summer | |
| * lophyte has never been anywhere | |
| <Solver> I'd like to go hiking in a remote region | |
| <lophyte> johanbr: you said you're Swede? | |
| <johanbr> lophyte: Yep. | |
| <Solver> GPS, EPERB, bear spray, etc :) | |
| <lophyte> what's Sweden like? I had a long conversation with a friend of mine about how cool it would be to visit there earlier.. | |
| <johanbr> Lots of forest, mild summers, cold winters, nice girls. :) | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| <jamonation> Solver: if you're up for it, I am too sometime | |
| <jamonation> I've got friends in the Yukon who say it is amazing | |
| <jamonation> the pictures out over the bay in summer are incredible | |
| <lophyte> johanbr: I was reading that the climate in Sweden is not quite as extreme as it is here | |
| <lophyte> it sounds like the kind of place I wouldn't mind living in for a while | |
| <Solver> jamonation: cool. That needs to be done with more than one person. Hey let's make it a Linux in the wilderness trip :) | |
| <jamonation> for sure | |
| <Solver> seriously I am up for it. | |
| <jamonation> ;) | |
| <Solver> a small group would be ideal | |
| <lophyte> I'd love to travel | |
| <jamonation> 3-5 you think? | |
| <Solver> lophyte: ever left north america? | |
| <jamonation> you're wife would want to come along? | |
| <lophyte> nope.. never even left Ontario :( | |
| <johanbr> lophyte: Well, in Stockholm usually it's like -10 in the winter, +20 in the summer. Colder further up north. Okay city, but not my favourite. | |
| <lophyte> as I said.. I'm sheltered | |
| <Solver> lophyte: may I ask how old? | |
| <lophyte> 22 | |
| <Solver> cool - you can get working holidays visas in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc | |
| <Solver> go for it | |
| <lophyte> furthest I've been is what... Algonquin Park, I think | |
| <jamonation> there is a great program called SWAP | |
| <Solver> spend a couple of years downunder | |
| <jamonation> student work abroad program | |
| <lophyte> I'd love to see the rest of Canada and the world | |
| <jamonation> it's a federal initiative | |
| <jamonation> look into it | |
| <lophyte> really? | |
| <jamonation> they get you a visa and sin in the country you wna tto visit | |
| <Solver> you can combine the Aus and NZ visas and spend a total of 2 years in the region I understand | |
| <jamonation> the rest is up to you | |
| <lophyte> johanbr: nice | |
| <Solver> lophyte: any foreign born parents or grandparents. that can open up opportunieis | |
| <Solver> eg any UK or Irish grandparents? | |
| <johanbr> Isn't one of the Ubuntu devs a Canadian who moved down under? I can't remember his name right now... | |
| <lophyte> Solver: nope. | |
| <Solver> lophyte: still, working holiday visas are a great opportunity | |
| <Burgundavia_> Madpilot: ready for the password? | |
| * Solver has been to 10 countries and wishes it had been more | |
| <Solver> fortunately I've been able to spend weeks in most of them | |
| <Solver> (or years :) | |
| <lophyte> Solver: what's a working holiday visa anyhow? | |
| <Solver> as a young Canadian you can get a visa to allow you to holiday and work in a foreign nation | |
| <jamonation> Solver: i just got back from china, have you been there? | |
| <Solver> there are a bunch of bilateral agreements | |
| <jamonation> check it out if you haven't | |
| <Solver> jamonation: no, never. would love to go. | |
| <lophyte> Solver: ah, sweet.. | |
| <Solver> lophyte: eg, http://www.canada.org.au | |
| <jamonation> i've got pics, I'll send the url in a few minutes | |
| <Solver> they allow you to work to fund your trip | |
| <Solver> down in Aus they are widely used but seem less known here | |
| <lophyte> ah, so you go to another country and work there, to fund your trip? | |
| <Solver> exactly | |
| <lophyte> that's awesome | |
| <Solver> usually a limit of 1 year applies | |
| <lophyte> is that a maximum? | |
| <lophyte> or a minimum | |
| <Solver> canada has agreemtns with Australia, New Zealand and a bunch of European countries | |
| <Solver> maximum | |
| <lophyte> ah | |
| <lophyte> that's fine | |
| <Solver> and you can only use each one once in your life | |
| <Solver> so you get one year-long visa to Australia, etc | |
| <Madpilot> lots of ppl from .au in Canada and all over .eu, working & drinking | |
| <Solver> and there is an age limit. they all dry up by 27-30 | |
| <Solver> Madpilot: exactly | |
| <Solver> in Aus the working holiday visas are really big | |
| <Madpilot> I'm more than half convinced there is nobody in .au between the ages of 18-30. They're all overseas, drunk. :) | |
| <Solver> hahaha | |
| <johanbr> When I was in Banff I ran into lots of Aussies who did this sort of thing and went there for the skiing and partying. | |
| <Solver> and they don't remember a bit of it :) | |
| <jamonation> lol | |
| <Solver> the only difference for me is I migrated to Canada and stayed :) | |
| <Madpilot> in whistler, they talk about "ABAs" - Another Bloody Australian", apparently ;) | |
| <lophyte> I'd love to go to Australia | |
| <Solver> Whistler is so well known in Aus | |
| <Solver> lophyte: I understand Aus and NZ let you combine the visas for a total of 2 years in the region. This I've been told anyway | |
| <lophyte> cool | |
| <lophyte> its something worth looking into | |
| <Solver> definitely | |
| <lophyte> though being in a relationship poses a problem.. hmmmmm | |
| <lophyte> damn relationships | |
| <johanbr> Bring her along! | |
| <Solver> unless they get one too :) | |
| <Solver> right | |
| <lophyte> except she's 32 :P | |
| <lophyte> don't think she'd qualify for one of those working holiday visas | |
| <Solver> you could support her ;) | |
| <jamonation> leet linux skills | |
| <Solver> I knew a Brit in Aus - he and his gf went to Aus on such a visa | |
| <Solver> when it expired he got a sponsored visa to work as a perl geek | |
| <Solver> and she got a dependent visa | |
| <lophyte> I'm definitely gonna have to look into this | |
| <jamonation> i have a friend that left canada at 23 with a masters in bio-engineering, came back at 32 having been on every continent, married and with a 4 year old child | |
| <johanbr> I'd not sure I'd even want to work as a perl geek, much less be dependent on one. :) | |
| <Solver> definitely. there are enough of these things to keep people entertained for years | |
| <Madpilot> I've thought about it; I could get a .uk ancestry visa | |
| <Solver> jamonation: nice | |
| <Solver> johanbr: rotfl | |
| <Solver> Madpilot: that can even end up in citizenship | |
| <jamonation> such a cool guy, works at a travel agency of all places now :) | |
| <Solver> Madpilot: any Irish grandparents? | |
| <Solver> jamonation: wow :) | |
| <Madpilot> Solver, no, both .uk on Mom's side | |
| <Solver> ah ok | |
| <Solver> with an Irish grandparent you can get an Irish passport and then work anywhere in the EU | |
| <Solver> neat | |
| <Solver> Ireland are considering changing that law it is so neat | |
| <Solver> lophyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_holiday_visa | |
| <johanbr> My travel agent is hilarious. Last time I went there he started the conversation with "Sorry if I look tired, my girlfriend was away so I stayed up all night playing Grand Theft Auto." | |
| <Madpilot> I'm 28 now, getting too old for a lot of the working holiday perks ;) Missed my chance! | |
| <Solver> johanbr: rotfl | |
| <lophyte> I gotta take my chance while I'm young then, eh | |
| <Solver> I also didn't use them. I was busy with other stuff. In the end I migrated to Canada :) | |
| <lophyte> though being in debt doesn't help the situation though | |
| <Solver> yeah that can suck | |
| <lophyte> ug.. why did I go to that stupid school | |
| <lophyte> what a waste of money | |
| <johanbr> lophyte: exchange programs? | |
| <lophyte> I already owe like $18K | |
| <Madpilot> I'm about to launch into student-load debt... got to finish the Commercial PL & Instructor's Rating... I hate owing money | |
| <Madpilot> s/load/loan | |
| <lophyte> I doubt I can get a working holiday visa with such a debt | |
| <Solver> another option for travel is skilled worker migration | |
| <Solver> lophyte: not sure debt comes in to it | |
| <johanbr> lophyte: I don't think they look at debt for working holiday stuff. | |
| <Solver> having a child disqualifies you in general I understand | |
| <Madpilot> Solver, once I have the experience, I want to fly overseas. Lots of jobs in interesting places for pilots! | |
| <jamonation> and if you spend 7 years away I think your insolvency would be nullified... | |
| <Solver> Madpilot: nice | |
| <lophyte> well, I don't have a child.. so... | |
| <Madpilot> we had a job in Africa advertised at the Club, and there are lots of Canada-based outfits with overseas ops | |
| <Solver> "Until recently the Australian working holiday visa was a one-year once in a lifetime opportunity, but recent legislative changes now allow any visa holder who has spent a minimum of three months as a seasonal worker in regional Australia to apply for a second working holiday visa." | |
| <Solver> interesting | |
| <lophyte> I'm gonna head to bed | |
| <Solver> night | |
| <lophyte> thanks a lot for the tips guys... definitely something worth looking into | |
| <johanbr> g'night. | |
| * Solver has an openvpn problem to debug | |
| <Solver> good luck | |
| <lophyte> thanks :) | |
| <lophyte> night | |
| <jamonation> night lophyte | |
| <jamonation> we'll have a brand shiny new 128mb tomorrow | |
| <Solver> so when and where does Ubuntu Toronto meet? | |
| <Madpilot> in the lair of the Giant Tux, apparently | |
| <Solver> ah! of course | |
| <Madpilot> linuxcaffe | |
| <Solver> yeah :) | |
| <Madpilot> see the /topic for the rest of the details | |
| * Solver hasn't been sinceit opened but I went a lot before | |
| <Solver> thnx | |
| <Solver> oh yes there it is :) | |
| <Madpilot> Oh, FFS. Corey sent me the supposed login details for Canonical's hosting (for ubuntu.ca) but the password doesn't seem to work... gah | |
| <johanbr> Since you guys seem to be active in the Toronto community, does anyone know Julian Dunn? | |
| <jamonation> Solver: i hear you actually spent a good deal of time and sweat and drank a lot of beer heloing setup the ltsp stuff | |
| <Solver> sure did :) | |
| <jamonation> s/heloing/helping | |
| * Solver is a thin client geek :) | |
| <jamonation> johanbr: i don't recognize the name | |
| <Solver> I was the one who originally convince David to go thin client :) | |
| <jamonation> Solver: i was the one last year who tried making it to haiti | |
| <jamonation> you recall? | |
| <Solver> oh right | |
| <Solver> yeah | |
| <Solver> was that 2005 or 2006? | |
| <Solver> seems so long ago | |
| <jamonation> since then my cousin's husband was kidnapped and held for ranson | |
| <jamonation> that was 2006 | |
| <Solver> OMG | |
| <jamonation> feb. 06 | |
| <jamonation> yeah, he made it out safe | |
| <Solver> I'm glad to hear. So you decided not to go | |
| <jamonation> no i didn't know that, american airlines cancelled my flight into haiti as I was over new orleans | |
| <jamonation> got stuck in miami and had to turn around | |
| <Solver> wow | |
| <jamonation> leaving my cousin stranded in port-au-prince | |
| <Solver> so you got close :) | |
| <Solver> oh no | |
| <jamonation> so needless to say, i'm not ever heading back that way again | |
| <Solver> yeah | |
| <jamonation> though the preplanning and ltsp trials were a super learning experience | |
| <Solver> When I was in Jamaica once (my wife is Jamaican) Haitian refugees arrived | |
| <Solver> anyone fleeing too Jamaica must be coming from a terrible place | |
| <johanbr> Why did they cancel the flight? Civil unrest? | |
| <jamonation> it's such a terrible country | |
| <jamonation> yeah, the elections last year | |
| <jamonation> burning roadblocks, tires, etc. | |
| <jamonation> scary stuff | |
| <Solver> prety much a "failed state" | |
| <jamonation> ever since it was founded in 1802 | |
| <jamonation> then french said, you black people want autonomy, ok, we'll cut you off from the rest of the world then | |
| <jamonation> and it's been that way ever since | |
| <Solver> wow | |
| <Solver> why can't we all be nice to one another | |
| <jamonation> if it isn't money, then it's race or religion... | |
| <jamonation> (or vi/emacs) | |
| <Solver> exactly ;) | |
| <Solver> or Linux/BSD | |
| <jamonation> heh | |
| <Solver> hey they don't call them the "Unix Wars" for nothing :) | |
| <jamonation> i don't think they'll end anytime soon either do you? | |
| <jamonation> i liked your post today on tlug about linux being already on the desktop | |
| <Solver> well the Unix wars of the 90s are over. Hopefully that won't happen again | |
| <Solver> thnx | |
| <Solver> it's all about open standards imho | |
| <jamonation> oh ok, i was thinking linux distros | |
| <Solver> ah - mere skirmishes ;) | |
| <jamonation> wasn't really into computers mid-90's | |
| <johanbr> I don't know. FreeBSD seems to be doing okay, but I'm not sure about the others... | |
| <Solver> yeah | |
| <Solver> OpenBSD is in a niche | |
| <Solver> Net used to be as popular as Free | |
| <jamonation> a super sweet one IMO | |
| <Solver> more in my sircles | |
| <Solver> s/sircles/circles/ | |
| <jamonation> i guess driver support is the biggest issue now, with the proliferation of various interfaces and such? | |
| <johanbr> Last I remember hearing about OpenBSD was Theo de Raadt being his usual diplomatic self over some incident that caused them to lose DARPA funding. | |
| <Solver> jamonation: yeah. still we seem to be doing ok in driver support | |
| <jamonation> freebsd at least | |
| <Solver> johanbr: yeah. I'm afraid I don't feel much sympathy over his recent claims to be running short of money when he threw away a deal like that | |
| <Solver> the total was US$2million you know | |
| <Solver> they had spent part of it by the time he managed to piss off DARPA | |
| <jamonation> http://www.at.openbsd.org/press.html | |
| <Solver> wow was that really 2003. time flies | |
| <jamonation> i thought it was more recent that than too | |
| <johanbr> Me too, definitely felt like that. | |
| <Solver> yeah. April 21 2003 he made the comment apparently | |
| <Solver> oh that was the day they pulled funding | |
| <jamonation> it's so dumb how grants are always to political | |
| <Solver> yeah | |
| <jamonation> s/to/too | |
| <jamonation> i sat on a hiring committee for a new professor at U of T last summer | |
| <Solver> I'm not interested in the politics. lucky I don't need to chase grants I guess ;) | |
| <Solver> jamonation: which dept? | |
| <jamonation> you would not believe how terrible prof's can be to each other | |
| <Solver> if I may ask | |
| <jamonation> i was the student rep. for innis college | |
| <Solver> oh I know. I am working at U of T now (as well as contracting) | |
| <jamonation> (my degree is cinema studies) | |
| <Solver> ie I still keep my little company cooking | |
| <jamonation> what are you doing at u of t now? which dept.? I was a sysadmin in zoology last year | |
| <Solver> CCBR - microbiology. our profs are nice to each other :) | |
| <Solver> genomics and proteomics would be more accurate actually | |
| <jamonation> oh sweet, you get to play with their clusters? | |
| * Solver runs their clusters | |
| <Solver> :) | |
| <Solver> that's my main job but I do other Linux admin too | |
| <jamonation> whoa, one sec, did you get that contract from the posting last year on tlug? an italian prof? | |
| <Solver> yep | |
| <jamonation> heh, i applied but backed out when he said they needed someone to admin their grid | |
| <jamonation> that's funny | |
| <Solver> hahaha | |
| <Solver> I like it. it's a busy position though | |
| <jamonation> but you have time for other admin work? what kind? | |
| <Solver> general Linux sysadmin | |
| <jamonation> anything on campus? | |
| <Solver> right now I'm building a new network that links up a bunch of formerly autonomous networks and I'm rolling out Qemu virtual boxes a lot | |
| <Solver> in CCBR | |
| <jamonation> qemu is so amazingly fantabulous | |
| <Solver> sure is | |
| <Solver> I love it | |
| <Solver> kqemu is gpl now - woohoo | |
| <jamonation> i know, i'm fighting with fedora core 7test1 right now to get it working | |
| * Solver uses Ubuntu mostly these days but also Debian | |
| <jamonation> i do too, but i'd like to get the lpic sometie | |
| <jamonation> and i haven't used rpm since redhat 6.2 or something | |
| <Solver> one prob I have with RH is their love for ext3 | |
| <Solver> gimme xfs man :) | |
| <jamonation> i'm rather fond of xfs myself | |
| <jamonation> lots of large files | |
| <Solver> great for vid, great backup util, fast | |
| <jamonation> isn't the new ext comparable? too bad about hans, don't think he's gonna get too much more work done fromjail | |
| <johanbr> Isn't it xfs that occasionally makes your files go poof? | |
| <jamonation> without a good solid UPS, potentially | |
| <Solver> not sure about ext4 - I think it is meant to be much better. I'll have to check it out | |
| <Solver> re Hans, yeah. I have to say the circumstantial evidence doesn't look good for him | |
| <jamonation> i think it's write times are much better because has changes to its caching mechanism | |
| <Solver> johanbr: I've had next to no problems - it's been my primary FS since 2003 | |
| <Solver> I powered off a mounted firewire drive oneday but an xfs_repair fixed that | |
| <jamonation> yeah, circumstantial etymologically speaking circumscribes a fairly limited number of possibliltes in his case | |
| <Solver> I think I had one other problem and xfs_repair worked there too | |
| <johanbr> I remember reading about people sometimes ending up with zero-length files. I definitely don't run anything with heavy performance demands but I like ext3 - very well tested, reliable and fast enough for me. | |
| <Solver> johanbr: I have heard such reports (even on the xfs list) but never observed it | |
| <jamonation> resiser 3 is always accused of corrupting files beyond repair | |
| <Solver> it doesn't do data journalling, only meta data | |
| <Solver> this is true of reiserfs and jfs as well | |
| <johanbr> ...and ext3 (by default) | |
| <Solver> by default it does data journalling iirc - let's check... | |
| <johanbr> I don't think so. | |
| <Solver> ordered it default... | |
| <jamonation> http://linux.inet.hr/first_benchmarks_of_the_ext4_file_system.html | |
| <jamonation> sorry for the long url; | |
| <johanbr> Right. "All data is forced directly out to the main file system prior to its metadata being committed to the journal" | |
| <Solver> you may be right. I think that default may have changed | |
| <Solver> ordered mode was always the default but I'm (fairly) sure it used to journal data by default | |
| <Solver> hmm | |
| <Solver> yeah it seems it is not the default | |
| <Solver> my memory was probably faulty | |
| <jamonation> here be the china photos I mentioned Solver: http://jamon.ca/index.php?q=gallery | |
| <jamonation> still working on uploadign the wall ones | |
| <PFA> oops | |
| <Madpilot> hmm? | |
| <Solver> jamonation: thnx. I'll check them out | |
| <luis1234> Hi | |
| <luis1234> Anyone here running Tor+Privoxy under Ubuntu? I have problem with running Tor+Privoxy under Ubuntu 6.10. | |
| <luis1234> Anyone here running Tor+Privoxy under Ubuntu? I have problem with running Tor+Privoxy under Ubuntu 6.10. | |
| <lophyte> morning all | |
| <christopherius> good morning and a really early one for me | |
| <lophyte> hehe, I bet | |
| <lophyte> its what... quarter to 7 in AB? | |
| <christopherius> ya lol | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| <christopherius> got to work in an hour | |
| <lophyte> ouch | |
| <christopherius> where you from? | |
| <lophyte> Toronto | |
| <christopherius> cool | |
| <jamonation> morning all | |
| <lophyte> hey | |
| <jamonation> server is going to get upgraded today | |
| <lophyte> I feel horrible today.. I dunno why | |
| <jamonation> likely will have to reboot | |
| <lophyte> no problem | |
| <jamonation> ah that's no good, perhaps a cuppa hot chocolate? | |
| <jamonation> or would green tea be easier and better for you? | |
| <lophyte> not really a physical horrible.. more a mental/emotional horrible | |
| <jamonation> how about a rousing round to tremulous? ever played it? | |
| <lophyte> once or twice.. | |
| <lophyte> not sure if it would run on my laptop | |
| <lophyte> never tried | |
| <jamonation> some day we should get the whole -ca group playing | |
| <lophyte> that'd be cool | |
| <jamonation> today seems like a read a book day for me | |
| <lophyte> same... though I've gotta go to the community center today | |
| <jamonation> hmm | |
| <lophyte> I started reading Digital Fortress by Dan Brown on Tuesday | |
| <lophyte> awesome book so far | |
| <jamonation> i finished the cuckoo's egg by cliff stoll last week | |
| <jamonation> well worth the read | |
| <jamonation> i'll lend it to you if you like | |
| <lophyte> actually I just grabbed 2 more from the library, so I'm lined up for at least a month, hehe | |
| <jamonation> nice, that library thing, what a great idea :) | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <lophyte> whenever I start reading, I get the urge to write | |
| <jamonation> and do you as you should? | |
| <lophyte> but then I have no idea what to write.. and its kinda frustrating | |
| <jamonation> hmm, start at the beginning, write whatever comes to mind | |
| <jamonation> it'll start directing itself | |
| <lophyte> yeah, I suppose so | |
| <lophyte> I've had this one idea lingering in my head for almost a year now | |
| <lophyte> I was on the subway one time, and I thought to myself.. what if there was some kind of explosion or something in the city, and it killed pretty much everyone on surface level.. what would it be like living underground with no social structure at all | |
| <jamonation> beijing has a series of underground tunnels that were created for the coldwar | |
| <jamonation> they could house about 50-100k people at a time for months on end | |
| <lophyte> cool | |
| <jamonation> yeah | |
| <mneptok> lophyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole_rat | |
| <lophyte> naked mole rat? | |
| <mneptok> that's what we'd become. | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| <jamonation> what, highly adapted to one environment with strange morphological traits? | |
| <lophyte> I was thinking of the short-term events though | |
| <mneptok> to an underground environment. | |
| <mneptok> lophyte: oh, "reveal yourself unto the bomb" stuff ;) | |
| <lophyte> well, more like.. if the people underground were unable to go outside | |
| <lophyte> it'd be like.. anarchy | |
| <jamonation> oh you mean "a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government" ? | |
| <lophyte> yeah that's about it :P | |
| <jamonation> heh | |
| <jamonation> that would be much preferable to the popular notion of anarchy | |
| <lophyte> I dunno, I always thought it was a cool idea | |
| <jamonation> yeah for sure | |
| <lophyte> most of my ideas tend to relate to isolation and/or lack of social structure | |
| <jamonation> go with that then | |
| <jamonation> combine the two, or write one short story for each theme | |
| <lophyte> yeah, I should | |
| <lophyte> cool | |
| <lophyte> PyGTA is having a meeting next Tuesday, including a presentation about Django | |
| <lophyte> at the caffe | |
| <jamonation> and so dircproxy rocks apparently | |
| <lophyte> dircproxy? | |
| <lophyte> nice hostname, hehe | |
| <jamonation> dircproxy is a bouncer | |
| <lophyte> ah | |
| <lophyte> bouncers are fun | |
| <jamonation> the hostname is nice, just have to get the nick to not cut off at the i | |
| <jamonation> dunno how to do that, msg an op perhaps? | |
| <jamonation> or is 8 characters a built in limit | |
| <lophyte> I think its a limit on the server | |
| <jamonation> right | |
| <lophyte> your nick isn't cut short | |
| <lophyte> just the identity part of the host | |
| <jamonation> when I join it is, in teh hostname | |
| <jamonation> right | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <jamonation> what's your bouncer of choice? | |
| <lophyte> I forget.. I played with bouncers a long time ago | |
| <matjan> anyone seen this header on globeandmail.com? "Microsoft releases first Vista security fix" | |
| <jamonation> i think it was on tehregister too | |
| <jamonation> hilarious | |
| <matjan> no kidding | |
| <jamonation> though it has been out for more than 15 days... | |
| <jamonation> still, their marketing blitz hasn't been on that long | |
| <matjan> that fix? | |
| <jamonation> sorry, vista being out more than 15 days | |
| <matjan> right | |
| <lophyte-> back | |
| <jamonation> off | |
| <jamonation> ;) | |
| <jamonation> toyed with qemu yet lophyte-? | |
| <lophyte-> not really | |
| *** lophyte- is now known as lophyte | |
| <lophyte> no way it'd run on here | |
| <jamonation> give it a try, it's superb | |
| <lophyte> a friend of mine who works at MS said they dropped billions of dollars on R&D for Vista | |
| <lophyte> targeting the home market | |
| <jamonation> yeah, i heard at least 5 billion somehwere | |
| <lophyte> 5 billion dollars, and the best they could come up with is a hybrid of existing features and technologies | |
| <lophyte> you'd think with that kind of money, they could be innovative and come up with something new | |
| <jamonation> ah but to most users it is :) | |
| <lophyte> i suppose so | |
| * Solver loves Qemu :) | |
| * Solver hopes the DRM in Vista advances the cause of OSS | |
| <lophyte> its ridiculous that people are going out and buying new computers just for Vista | |
| * jamonation thinks it will be a tough slog | |
| <jamonation> the DRM peoples are smart, the go with incremental changes, slowly eroding away people's freedoms | |
| <lophyte> yup | |
| <jamonation> such that they may protest, but DRM isn't drastically affecting things to the point that people actually put in effort looking into an alternative | |
| <jamonation> but I hope so too ;) | |
| <lophyte> people think that the learning curve of switching to Linux is worse than putting up with Microsoft's mediocre products | |
| <lophyte> imo | |
| <lophyte> they also often mistake "different" for "difficult" | |
| <lophyte> at least, my gf does | |
| <lophyte> she keeps complaining about how difficult Ubuntu is to use | |
| <lophyte> because she can't go to the LimeWire website, download the Linux version, double click on the file and it installs | |
| <lophyte> for example | |
| <lophyte> or go to the Adobe website, download Acrobat, double click on it and it installs | |
| <jamonation> well, CNR with linspire is set to make things infinitely more simple for those users | |
| <lophyte> you can do the same thing with packages.ubuntu.com though | |
| <lophyte> can't you? | |
| <lophyte> though Kubuntu doesn't come with a GUI .deb installer | |
| <lophyte> hey johanbr | |
| <johanbr> Hey there. | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/index.htm | |
| <jamonation> lophyte: http://www.swap.ca/english/html/glance/ | |
| <SinClaIrR> hola | |
| <jamonation> hi SinClaIrR | |
| <lophyte> need cash for this kinda thing | |
| <lophyte> Support Funds: The Australian Government recommends that you have $5,000 to cover your initial stay. In most cases, a bank letter will not be required for SWAP Australia. | |
| <lophyte> you don't have to be a student for SWAP Australia | |
| <jamonation> and that is a work visa, not just a work-holiday visa | |
| <jamonation> or "From 1 November 2005, working holidaymakers who have worked as a seasonal worker in regional Australia for a minimum of three months while on their first working holiday visa, will be eligible to apply for a second working holiday visa." | |
| <jamonation> that would get you 2 years there, +1 for NZ, makes 3 years | |
| <lophyte> hm.. | |
| <lophyte> I should get a job here and start saving up, heh | |
| <lophyte> I'd need to have enough money to pay for the flight and living expenses until I find a job there | |
| <jamonation> yeah | |
| <jamonation> it would take a year or two you think? | |
| <lophyte> to save up? | |
| <lophyte> at the rate I'm making money.. maybe 5, lol | |
| <lophyte> hell by the time I can afford it I'd be out of the age range | |
| <jamonation> burger flipping then | |
| <jamonation> or you could be a barista ;) | |
| <jamonation> ask tim at the caffe how he managed, he spent a year or two in aus | |
| <lophyte> meh.. need to find a job here | |
| <lophyte> and save up a bunch of money | |
| <johanbr> The weather in oz is nice. Just buy a tent when you get there. :) | |
| <tonyyarusso> I have a desktop computer with no monitor or keyboard. I plugged it into my laptop via a crossover ethernet cable. Network Manager on the laptop now says there is a wired connection. ifconfig on the laptop gives IP addresses for interfaces eth0:avahi and eth1:avahi of 169.254.5.247 and 169.254.9.63, respectively. How can I find out the IP of the desktop so I can ssh in and use it? | |
| <Burgwork> hmm | |
| <Burgwork> use avahi service discovery applet? | |
| <tonyyarusso> what's that? | |
| <Burgwork> an applet to show you all the avahi services that are on your local network | |
| <tonyyarusso> Installed already or no? | |
| * tonyyarusso looks around | |
| <Burgwork> nop[e | |
| <Burgwork> service-discovery-applet I think | |
| <jamonation> try hping | |
| <jamonation> you can specify a range of ips with it | |
| <jamonation> and it will tell you which hosts respond | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'll check both of those out. | |
| <tonyyarusso> jamonation: btw, I've heard you have "tricks" for hiding running servers on home connections from ISP snoops. | |
| <jamonation> well, i dunno about that, but ssh with remote forwarding is your best bet | |
| <jamonation> so you could send all traffic on your local port 25 through ssh on port 22 to another host, that would then send on port 25 | |
| <jamonation> as far as your isp is concerned it is just ssh traffic | |
| <tonyyarusso> ah | |
| <jamonation> but i wouldn't worry about their TOS too much, just don't be using all your bandwidth serving http files | |
| <tonyyarusso> right | |
| <jamonation> cavalier, I know, but i haven't heard of a single person having their service cut off because they were running a "server", which is pretty vague anyways | |
| <jamonation> i mean really, you run windows with remote desktop, bang, there's a server | |
| <jamonation> and they're never going to cut you off for that | |
| <Solver> are we talking Rogers? if they see services other than ssh they seem to reset your IP | |
| <jamonation> sympatico and some of the local isp's in Barrie in my experience | |
| <jamonation> though with a dynamic ip forwarding service, them resetting you isn't that much trouble is it? | |
| <jamonation> like no-ip or dyndns | |
| <jamonation> but Solver, you might be on to something there, it sounds like roger's uses header checking and shapes traffic accordingly much more so than sympatico | |
| <tonyyarusso> jamonation: How would I specify a range in hping? | |
| <johanbr> tonyyarusso: You can also try "arp -a" | |
| <johanbr> Or, if you have all the avahi packages installed, ping desktop_hostname.local . | |
| <tonyyarusso> trying... | |
| <tonyyarusso> You'd think there would be an easier way to do this :S | |
| <jamonation> ... that was frustrating, trying to install hping to check, can't get a dependency | |
| <jamonation> fping will do a range though | |
| <jamonation> sorry about that | |
| <tonyyarusso> hmm | |
| <dimeotane> Did I hear today on CBC on my way to work that major canadian ISPs are now sending cease and desist letters to downloaders suspected of copyright violation? rogers I think | |
| <dimeotane> wow I love ubuntu more every day.... | |
| <dimeotane> I haven't *needed* to download any 'warez' in several years | |
| <tonyyarusso> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | |
| <tonyyarusso> nmap says "two hosts up", but doesn't say which ones!!! | |
| <tonyyarusso> I might scream for a few minutes now | |
| <dimeotane> done screaming yet? | |
| *** ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca | |
| <tonyyarusso> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/vista-digitalrights.html is interesting, although not new information for us - more so that it's being covered |
