| <cryedwolf> hey does anybody know and good resources for learning unix? | |
| <jayteeuk> OK, I've set it off trying with the alternative Old-Fashioned Debian Way -- hopefully I'll have a shiny new kernel package waiting for me in the morning. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Night all. | |
| <popey> nn | |
| <Seeker`> night | |
| <tsmithe> nighty night | |
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| <GazzaK> morning all | |
| <dsas> morning GazzaK | |
| * stdin yawns | |
| <stdin> morning | |
| <GazzaK> I'm getting T interweb at home today - yay | |
| *** schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | |
| <stdin> what, you've managed to survive without the interweb at home? wow :P | |
| *** schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | |
| <GazzaK> stdin, recently moved, had no internet at home since BT and I had a falling out on the 16th Jan | |
| <stdin> ouch | |
| <GazzaK> thats a whole month - eeek | |
| * GazzaK shakes | |
| <stdin> I would have gone quite insane without tinternet @ home | |
| <Seeker`> morning | |
| <GazzaK> stdin, I'm insane anyways | |
| <GazzaK> morning Seeker` | |
| <GazzaK> seek and ye shall find | |
| <Seeker`> ... | |
| <stdin> heh | |
| <GazzaK> :p | |
| <constrictor> i/quit | |
| <jayteeuk> Morning all. | |
| <popey> morning all | |
| <popey> woaah | |
| <jayteeuk> Snap! | |
| <popey> Jinx! | |
| <popey> morning CieD | |
| <CieD> hi Al | |
| <CieD> busy busy! | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> yeah yeah | |
| <CieD> heh, that's why I'm not going to FOSDEM :( | |
| <popey> :( | |
| <popey> real shame about that | |
| <popey> but hey ho, cant be helped | |
| <CieD> always the way, plan for a year, scuppered at the last minute | |
| <CieD> pah | |
| <jayteeuk> Best-laid plans of mice and men. | |
| <CieD> it pays well I suppose, but sometimes... grrrrr | |
| <popey> *squeak* *squeak* | |
| <popey> ooooo beryl and compiz wont be in feisty | |
| <popey> good | |
| <jayteeuk> How come? | |
| <jayteeuk> Still to unstable? | |
| <popey> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/95 | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <stdin> isn't it just an "apt-get install desktop-effects" away tho? | |
| <jayteeuk> Yeah. Ah well, it's a shame because they're pretty, but it's an easy decision. | |
| <popey> its not a default option | |
| <jayteeuk> Not worth giving Ubuntu a poor image (pardon the pun) just for some pretty effects. | |
| <stdin> yeah, I can understand that it won't be on default | |
| <GazzaK> it'd be nice to stick it in the repos though | |
| <popey> but it doesnt work out of the box on a lot of machines | |
| <popey> also interesting in that post is the kinda validation of gnewsense | |
| <popey> "In addition to all of this, we have restarted the effort to produce a flavour of Ubuntu that includes no proprietary drivers or firmware at all." | |
| <stdin> I would love to be able to run a totally open source desktop, but I need some of that proprietary firmware to boot :( | |
| <popey> really? | |
| <popey> whats that then? | |
| <stdin> don't know, but I tried gnewsense, an I just couldn't boot it | |
| <popey> that doesnt necessarily mean it needs firmware | |
| <GazzaK> same here | |
| <stdin> couldn't get past grub | |
| <popey> probably needs some funky kernel option | |
| <schwuk> I'd like to see the desktop-effects easy to install, which means the drivers need to be easy as well, but I don't think they should be default. | |
| <popey> video drivers arent hard to install | |
| <popey> if you use nvidia :) | |
| <GazzaK> intel is even easier | |
| <schwuk> anyway, it's moot point now until fiesty+! | |
| <schwuk> 1 rather | |
| <popey> indeed | |
| * popey is liking feisty | |
| <schwuk> ati sucks though | |
| <tsmithe> anyone here have lots of spare time? | |
| <tsmithe> (and wants to help me on a task) | |
| <schwuk> (goddamn crappy thinkpad graphics chip) | |
| <schwuk> tsmithe: depends on the task | |
| <tsmithe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cinelerra/LicenceReviewStatus | |
| <tsmithe> damn wrong page | |
| <schwuk> not that I have *any* spare time. | |
| <tsmithe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/CinelerraReview | |
| <dsas> can't you automate that ? | |
| <tsmithe> don't think so | |
| <tsmithe> not unless we want to spend forever thinking up exit paths and reviewing code insted | |
| <tsmithe> *instead | |
| <tsmithe> i killed him! | |
| <popey> hah! he returns | |
| <jayteeuk> And leaves again. :) | |
| <popey> Day 1 on dsas-watch | |
| <popey> "dsas has been plauged by poor connections and netsplits today. Tune in tomorrow for more updates" | |
| <jayteeuk> I can't imagine you with a Geordie accent popey. | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <jayteeuk> Well I still haven't got my new kernel packaged. I really need some reading material to help me understand what's going on I think. | |
| <jayteeuk> I've never packaged anything in Debian/Ubuntu before, so I don't really know the process. | |
| <jayteeuk> I've never really been one for just following step-by-step tutorials anyway to be honest. | |
| <jayteeuk> I like to know what's really going on. | |
| <popey> are you using make-kpkg? | |
| <popey> it just makes a deb you can install | |
| <jayteeuk> I did on my last attempt, yes. | |
| * GazzaK found a cool irc client for mac osx yesterday | |
| <jayteeuk> On prior attempts I used the process outlined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> that *does* say use make-kpkg | |
| <jayteeuk> As the alternative, old-style way. | |
| <popey> ahhh | |
| <jayteeuk> Which I resorted to because what was described above it hadn't worked. | |
| <popey> i have never done it the new way | |
| <popey> only the debian way and the old old old way | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm fairly sure the kernel has actually built and it's just the packaging that's failing. | |
| <popey> you get no errors? | |
| <jayteeuk> I get some warnings during the build, but no errors. | |
| <jayteeuk> The error I get is right at the end, in... | |
| <jayteeuk> Hang on... | |
| <jayteeuk> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.17.14-ubuntu1-jamestait not in control info | |
| <jayteeuk> That was the last attempt using make-kpkg | |
| <jayteeuk> Previous attempts, using the "new" method, seemed to keep adding a 3-hex-digit identifier. | |
| <jayteeuk> The command I issued that resulted in the above error message was: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version=-jamestait kernel-image kernel-headers | |
| <jayteeuk> brb | |
| <GazzaK> wooo, my funky cables arrived okay | |
| <GazzaK> If you are looking for dvi-hdmi cables, go to cableuniverse.co.uk - a cable which costs £36 elsewhere, and in some cases £60, only cost me £18.95 | |
| <jayteeuk> Not bad. | |
| <jayteeuk> I bet I can get one cheaper though. | |
| <jayteeuk> If I go round to your house and nick yours. :-P | |
| <GazzaK> where though? | |
| <GazzaK> ah, hehe | |
| <GazzaK> what ya think of this If you are looking for dvi-hdmi cables, go to cableuniverse.co.uk - a cable which costs £36 elsewhere, and in some cases £60, only cost me £18.95 | |
| <GazzaK> eek | |
| <GazzaK> http://www.comet.co.uk/cometbrowse/product.do?sku=322369 | |
| <GazzaK> that even | |
| <jayteeuk> Pass. I haven't even looked at anything HD yet. | |
| <popey> ditto | |
| <popey> i have an hd tv, but nothing yet to plug into it | |
| <popey> although the NTL TV Drive looks interesting | |
| <jayteeuk> Is that the name of the PVR? | |
| <jayteeuk> Three tuners and all that? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> HD thing | |
| <jayteeuk> Yeah, I like the look of that. When Virgin Media get round to offering it in these parts we'll be getting one. | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm so fed up of VHS. | |
| <stdin> ntl? you mean "virgin media" now | |
| <rbs-tito> New version of Beryl is on the edgy mirrors | |
| <stdin> 0.1.9999.2~0beryl1 ? | |
| <rbs-tito> BRB, I need to restart X | |
| <rbs-tito> Beryl 0.1.9999.2~beryl1 | |
| <rbs-tito> Is it new or do I have a slow updater? | |
| <stdin> well the 0.1.9999.2~0beryl1 is from http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty/main | |
| <rbs-tito> I got it from edgy/main | |
| * Seeker` uses the svn version of beryl | |
| <rbs-tito> Is the SVN dodgy sometimes? | |
| <Seeker`> occasionally | |
| <rbs-tito> My new printer just arrive at my other house, finally I can scan in Ubuntu | |
| <Seeker`> i've been without beryl for a couple of days occasionally | |
| <rbs-tito> How come? | |
| <rbs-tito> Oh, the SVN? | |
| <jayteeuk> Hey popey, what do you make of this suggestion that NTL/Virgin Media might be dropping some Sky channels? | |
| <popey> they arent | |
| <popey> I just had it from a mate who works for ntl | |
| <GazzaK> I hope not, as I get ntl/virgin today - yay | |
| <popey> "We'd like to clear a few things up. The claim from Sky that we're threatening to drop channels like Sky One, Sky News and Sky Sports News, is simply not true." | |
| <popey> thats from an internal NTL mail AIUI | |
| <jayteeuk> I get the impression it's just posturing by Sky. | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> to get more people to get sky | |
| <jayteeuk> Something to do with (probably not the correct term) carrier fees or something. | |
| <jayteeuk> Having said that, I could live without Sky Travel. :) | |
| <popey> sky travel is free | |
| <popey> its not a pay-for channel | |
| <popey> but I know what you mean | |
| <jayteeuk> Heh, not a pay-for channel in any sense of the term. :) I definitely would not pay for it. | |
| * popey notes amazon start pre-orders for playstation 3 tomorrow | |
| <DaveMorris> its taking up valuable space in the freeview spetrum, we could go HD if we drop it | |
| <popey> hahaha | |
| <rbs-tito> Ubuntu is on Slashdot, about the Feisty proprietary drivers | |
| <rbs-tito> ""Ubuntu's next release, Feisty Fawn, is due out in April and, according to company CTO Matt Zimmerman, proprietary video drivers failed to make the cut for the default install. Zimmerman told Linux.com that although the software required for Composite support is not ready for prime-time and therefore will not be included in Feisty, Ubuntu hasn't given up entirely on including video drivers in future releases." | |
| <popey> we could go HD if we dropped one channel? I think not | |
| <DaveMorris> actually, we can go HD on freeview if we switch off the analog signals and use that spectrum in conjunction with the freeview part | |
| <popey> besides we cant go HD on freeview yet not only because of lack of spectrum space but the power needed too | |
| <jayteeuk> Well it probably takes a lot of bandwidth to get all those resorts down the pipes. :) | |
| <popey> and turn up the power DaveMorris | |
| <popey> its the quiz channels that need to be burned in hell | |
| <DaveMorris> why would the power need to go up? | |
| <popey> because right now all HD is on low power because it interferes with other signals | |
| <popey> like analog telly | |
| <DaveMorris> ah | |
| <popey> which means coverage is poor | |
| <Seeker`> most transmitters are running on 1 - 2 % power at the moment | |
| <rbs-tito> We don't get Freeview here, we can get a really bad digital signal if we point the aerial scross the water to the Westcountry | |
| <DaveMorris> tbh I've just gone on what I've read here http://www.hdforall.org.uk/?www.reghardware.co.uk | |
| <DaveMorris> and heard else where | |
| <popey> i.e. I am 31 miles from Crystal palace, and have to have a masthead amplifier to get freeview well | |
| <popey> they are doing HD TV trials over freeview in london, on the Crystal palace transmitter but there is no way i could pick that up | |
| <DaveMorris> I can't remember my transmiiter | |
| <popey> wolfbane! :) | |
| <popey> http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe? | |
| <popey> put in your postcode, it will tell you the direction and power of the neares transmitter | |
| <popey> http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe?DX=L&HT=10&OS=gu14+7hf for example is mine | |
| <DaveMorris> I was about to chekc my mythtv logs | |
| <popey> crystal palace is the furthest away at 30 miles, but gives the best signal | |
| <popey> it also shows pictures of the line of sight betwene you and the transmitter | |
| <DaveMorris> hmmm, why is it called .exe | |
| <popey> so you can see if there are hills in the way | |
| <popey> it's running on a windows box | |
| <rbs-tito> I was just wondering the same thing | |
| <popey> no different than a cgi program on a linux box being .cgi | |
| <rbs-tito> But it works in a browser | |
| <rbs-tito> oh | |
| <popey> its run on the server | |
| <popey> not at your end | |
| <DaveMorris> peronally I'd rename it as people might think it'll run on their machine | |
| <popey> anyway | |
| <DaveMorris> Yeah, I'm connected to heathfield, Crystal Place is 32 miles away | |
| <DaveMorris> how can you tell if your transmitter is HD or not? | |
| <popey> it isnt | |
| <popey> the only one that is is crystal palace | |
| <popey> its the only one that is running the trial at the moment, and only for a closed group of people | |
| <DaveMorris> but at 32 miles I can't get the content | |
| <popey> or people who happen to have the right hardware to receive and decode | |
| <popey> well you cant because you dont have the necessary hardware | |
| <popey> but yes, even if you did, you wouldnt be able to get the signal | |
| <popey> you need to be in central london ish | |
| <DaveMorris> can mythtv not deal with HD? But I guess I need a HD tuner card | |
| <popey> there is no such thing as an hd tuner card | |
| <popey> its a tuner card with the necessary software to decode HD using IIRC MPEG4 | |
| <DaveMorris> so in theory I should be able to get HD with my mythbox if I sort out a suitable card | |
| <popey> only if you move closer to london | |
| <jayteeuk> I've been wondering... | |
| <DaveMorris> I was thinking more along the lines of when it rolls out to my area | |
| <jayteeuk> If you're say a reasonable distance (by which I mean maybe 3m) from your screen, how much of a difference does HD make anyway? | |
| <jayteeuk> s/say/sat | |
| <popey> i would be surprised if it did roll out anywhere | |
| <popey> its quite remarkable jayteeuk | |
| <DaveMorris> Is it worth getting HD on smaller screens (when the content is avaliable), because on a 15-17" in a bedroom I doub't it makes alot of difference | |
| <jayteeuk> Ah, 11:00 -- time for tea. :) | |
| <popey> you wont see any difference really on a nonHD screen | |
| <popey> you can try it by illegally downloading some HD content off the web :) | |
| <DaveMorris> you'll notice some on a PC monitor though I guess | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> i did | |
| <jayteeuk> Well I wouldn't expect to see any difference on a non-HD screen. | |
| <Seeker`> Gah, i'm going to have to reinstall :'( | |
| <jayteeuk> I think the only way I'm going to be convinced is to see it for myself. | |
| <DaveMorris> i'm not gonna rush out and buy a HD screen though | |
| <jayteeuk> Me neither. | |
| <DaveMorris> which is why I think the blueray/HDDVD thing is gonna take forever to resolve | |
| <DaveMorris> as the jump from VHS to DVD was quite alot of extra features and it worked on your current TV | |
| <jayteeuk> I've got a perfectly good standard-def widescreen CRT downstairs that's only a couple of years old. | |
| <popey> there really is a difference with HD | |
| <popey> even 720p | |
| <DaveMorris> from DVD to the new formats, its only a better picture, which requires you to have a new TV to get as well | |
| <popey> 1080p is truly amazing though | |
| <jayteeuk> We won't be getting 1080p broadcasts any time soon though, will we? | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah, but how much is a 27" HD tv? How much is a HDDVD or Blue ray player | |
| <popey> not just broadcasts, there's HD-DVD and BD | |
| <tsmithe> pah. hdmi | |
| <popey> well cost is anotehr issue :) | |
| <popey> its already been cracked :) | |
| <tsmithe> so? | |
| <DaveMorris> its'll cost me atleast £1k to be able to watch a HD film from HDDVD/BD | |
| <DaveMorris> I can buy alot of DVD's for that | |
| <popey> indeed | |
| <popey> new technology is great, means you can pick up the old stuff cheaper :) | |
| <Seeker`> popey: How stable is herd3? | |
| <popey> pretty good | |
| <popey> I am running it in 3 machines | |
| <DaveMorris> Seeker`: I'm using it for my mythtv front end, no probs yet | |
| <Seeker`> i'm having problems with my work machine | |
| <Seeker`> so i think i'm gonna wipe it and put herd3 on it | |
| <schwuk> Seeker`: I'm running it on my main machine, and no serious problems. Sound is flaky, but I can't determine why. | |
| <jayteeuk> I notice this in the KernelCustomBuild wiki page: "If you used a git repo, this unique ID is generated from the git HEAD SHA. If not, it is generated from the uuidgen program (which means every time you execute the debian/rules build, the UUID will be different!). Your packages will be named using this ID." | |
| <jayteeuk> I suspect this is what's causing me grief. | |
| <Seeker`> schwuk: Dont use sound at work ,so it isnt really a problem | |
| <schwuk> Seeker`: it works sometimes | |
| <DaveMorris> I'm getting perfect sound from mine via digital out | |
| <tsmithe> woo! alsa works for somebody! | |
| <DaveMorris> does everyone else have problems with it then? | |
| <tsmithe> yup | |
| <tsmithe> there have been 11 alsa bug comments this morning | |
| <jayteeuk> Hmmm... does make-kpkg have to be run as root? | |
| <tsmithe> think so | |
| <tsmithe> it uses dpkg-buildpackage, which needs root or fakeroot | |
| <jayteeuk> I thought that was what fakeroot was for. | |
| <tsmithe> doesn't it create binaries in /usr/src ? | |
| <tsmithe> that needs real root to do | |
| <DaveMorris> tsmithe: got a link? | |
| <tsmithe> hmm> | |
| <tsmithe> *? | |
| <tsmithe> to what? | |
| <DaveMorris> the bug comments | |
| <tsmithe> i just get them in my bugmail | |
| <jayteeuk> It probably creates binaries in /usr/src/if that's where you installed your kernel source. | |
| <tsmithe> yes | |
| <tsmithe> DaveMorris, why? | |
| <jayteeuk> But mine's in my home directory, so it shouldn't need real root. I think. :) | |
| <selinuxium> hi all, how dangerous is it to enable the backports repository? | |
| <DaveMorris> as some of them maybe with my sound chip, it took me about an hr to get sound working on my digital out (and maybe my stereo come to think of it) | |
| <tsmithe> jayteeuk, don't think so. who knows? | |
| <tsmithe> check out what make-kpkg does? | |
| <jayteeuk> Yeah, I'm checking out the man page now... | |
| <stdin> selinuxium: no, not really | |
| <selinuxium> stdin: cheers | |
| <stdin> :-) | |
| <jayteeuk> brb | |
| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Jono Bacon: Off to Skycon <http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=892> | |
| <popey> http://rob-smith.co.uk/download/dog_found.jpg made me chuckle | |
| <Seeker`> right, time to reinstall | |
| *** Seeker`_ is now known as Seeker`` | |
| <Seeker``> anyone tried the text install for feisty? | |
| *** thefish_ is now known as thefish | |
| <stdin> only from herd1 | |
| <Seeker``> it seems to hang after choosing the keyboard | |
| <Seeker``> layout | |
| <stdin> I didn't have that, the install was quite smooth actually | |
| <Seeker``> hmm | |
| <Seeker``> i tried again and now it detected the hardware | |
| <Seeker``> but it is just sitting there with a blue screen | |
| <DaveMorris> Seeker``: I use the text, and found it hung, it eventually makes it past it | |
| <Seeker``> DaveMorris: Did you just have to wait? | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah, not sure how long as I just left it and went and did soemthing else | |
| <Seeker``> :S | |
| <Seeker``> hmm | |
| <Seeker``> it appears to have woken up again | |
| <Seeker``> 2 mins sitting at a blank screen is bad | |
| <DaveMorris> I just thought it was my USB CDROM taking forever | |
| <Seeker``> DaveMorris: No USB CD here. And it is also taking ages to detect the network hardware | |
| <DaveMorris> prob best to file a bug report then | |
| <Seeker``> under what package? | |
| <DaveMorris> no idea | |
| <stdin> Seeker``: debian-installer probably | |
| <DaveMorris> if you send us the link I'll comment on it as well | |
| <gord> hrrm, where is that mr popey. he seems to have some misconceptions about the ogg file format for screencasting stuff | |
| * Seeker`` needs to work out which package | |
| <popey> excuse me gord ? | |
| <gord> I was just taking a look at http://popey.com/Creating_Screencasts popey and this caught my mind "Whilst recording to OGG format is great, there's precious little tools around to re-encode to other formats from OGG as the source. It's also not sensible to try to transcode for a lossy format to another lossy format.", ogg is just the container so no transcoding is necessary | |
| <stdin> heh | |
| <gord> <-- thinking about doing a screencast of using the gimp to touch up photos n stuff | |
| <popey> i know that | |
| <popey> that document was written a while ago and made some assumption | |
| <popey> is also not technically very accurate | |
| <gord> mmk then :) | |
| <popey> mmk? | |
| <gord> mmk, kinda like ok but without the need to open your mouth, a lazy mans english if you will | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <popey> mmmmkay | |
| <popey> gotcha | |
| <gord> you'll also find many irunos, prollys and wah? coming from my lips, I generally abuse the english language on a minute by minute basis | |
| <popey> heheh | |
| * Seeker` is on feisty now :D | |
| <stdin> welcome to the feisty club Seeker` :) | |
| <Seeker`> :D | |
| <schwuk> hmm. so my sound is b0rked, and now so's gnome-screensaver | |
| <Seeker`> oooh...control center | |
| <X3N> anyone here use yougov ? http://www.yougov.com/users/registrationintro_ref.asp?refid=404731&jID=3&sID=1 | |
| <X3N> i've just calculated how long it's going to take me to get to the £50.00 level when the send out a cheque | |
| <X3N> anyone want to hazard a guess at the current rate of surveys ? | |
| <X3N> nope, obviously not. It was over 8 years | |
| <X3N> 8 years !! | |
| <X3N> that's possibley the slowest way to earn money /ever/ | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: I disagree. Giving every penny you own to charity is the slowest way to earn money | |
| <X3N> I don't think the definition of earn covers that ;) | |
| <jayteeuk> Afternoon all. | |
| <DaveMorris> I do | |
| <DaveMorris> X3N: I do, I've been doing it for around 2 yrs and I'm only at £0 | |
| <DaveMorris> s/£0/£30 | |
| <DaveMorris> I guess it pays when you win | |
| <popey> it says each time you take a survey they credit your account | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah wqith like 50p | |
| <popey> but you are on £0? | |
| <DaveMorris> I'm guessing they hope most people quit before reaching 50 quid | |
| <DaveMorris> read the next line popey | |
| <Seeker`> brb | |
| <Sionide> X3N, i did some survey thing and each time you do one, you get points and when you get enough points you get £20 amazon vouchers | |
| <Sionide> but some of them, you answer the first question and you're not the right demographic so you can't get the points | |
| <X3N> heh | |
| * Seeker` returns! \o/ | |
| <Sionide> wb Seeker` | |
| <Sionide> X3N, my PC died :( | |
| <X3N> oh dear | |
| <Sionide> think it might be the MBR, no clue how to fix it | |
| <X3N> use a live cd | |
| <Sionide> it hangs during booting up | |
| <Sionide> yeah i put kubuntu in and it worked, but i dunno what to do to fix the mbr :s | |
| <Sionide> or even if that is the problem | |
| <X3N> if it's the mbr you can run the grub install having chroot'ed to your actual install | |
| <X3N> take a picture of the screen | |
| <Sionide> it doesn't have grub :s | |
| <Sionide> tis my windows box | |
| <X3N> did you recently reinstall windows ? | |
| <popey> now the facts come out | |
| <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows | |
| * X3N feels it should mention that it's all window's fault | |
| <X3N> it thinks it owns your computer outright so it doesn't matter what else is in the mbr | |
| *** schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | |
| <Sionide> X3N, nah | |
| <Sionide> it's always been a windows box | |
| <Sionide> i think it's a hardware issue though | |
| <Sionide> cos it says "Update ESCD Successfully" which means it thinks hardware has changed, when nothing has :s | |
| <Sionide> from what i gathered from goog | |
| <popey> battery? | |
| <Sionide> might be | |
| <Sionide> worth a try i guess, shall be in town tomorrow, i'll grab a new one off the market | |
| <Sionide> i tried taking out the new usb pci card i put in, but that didn't work | |
| <Sionide> is there anyway to test the cmos battery from a live cd?? | |
| <constrictor> "Three statisticians went out hunting, and came across a large deer. The first statistician fired, but missed, by a meter to the left. The second statistician fired, but also missed, by a meter to the right. The third statistician didn't fire, but shouted in triumph, "On the average we got it!" | |
| <Sionide> that is poor.. | |
| <Sionide> :P | |
| <Sionide> maths jokes always are! :D | |
| <constrictor> just got that from slashdot | |
| * popey has bollocksed up his feisty install | |
| <popey> well, one of them :) | |
| * popey reinstalls feisty inside the vm that he trashed | |
| <constrictor> scary web | |
| <DaveMorris> good to know exeprinced people screw up as well | |
| <constrictor> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/14/0322253&from=rss | |
| <popey> DaveMorris: I started a VM using a disk image that there was already a VM running against :S | |
| <popey> oops | |
| <popey> fsck did its best but it was on a hiding to nothing | |
| <popey> so I binned it and started again | |
| <popey> constrictor: lies lies lies | |
| <constrictor> as a web developer it made me think what corners i have cut in the past though | |
| <constrictor> is anyone aware of this newly formed linux foundation | |
| <constrictor> ? | |
| <DaveMorris> alot of developers do it to meet deadlines, thats supposedly one advantage of open source, in that people will name and shame you so you do it correctly | |
| <constrictor> http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/A19D414AAB9DBECDCC25727C00824D80 | |
| <constrictor> does anyone know how to secure a laptop of desktop with USB without using that tedious PAM -USB thing | |
| <VooDoo> afternoon | |
| <popey> that didnt last long | |
| <popey> was going to ask him where planet nottslug went | |
| *** alecjw_ is now known as alecjw | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <Seeker`> can you use the beryl SVN repo with feisty | |
| <Seeker`> cause the "stable" repo version limits you to 4 different desktops | |
| <medders> has anyone heard of the start.exe in the livecd being a trojan? | |
| <medders> apparently someones virus scanner said it was | |
| <medders> bug 85130 in fact | |
| <bugbot> Malone bug 85130 in Ubuntu "Trojan found in START.EXE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85130 | |
| <Seeker`> Has anyone had any problems locking their screen with feisty? | |
| <DaveMorris> Seeker`: nope | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <Seeker`> when i try to unlock my screen, it just sits there any says "checking..." | |
| <Seeker`> and doesn't do anything | |
| <jayteeuk> OK, I'm happy now I've got wobbly windows again. | |
| <jayteeuk> Pointless it may be, but it does lighten my day. | |
| <DaveMorris> heh, the amount of work I did went down with it turned on for the 1st day or 2 | |
| <jayteeuk> The amount of work I've done today has dropped significantly, just getting it working. :) | |
| <jayteeuk> I could have sworn I'd removed all trace of fglrx from my machine, but apparently not. | |
| <Seeker`> Now starting beryl causes X to restart :S | |
| <jayteeuk> Sounds like I'm not the only one with problems. | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah, thats why its not going to be in feisty when it goes live | |
| <jayteeuk> Yep. | |
| <jayteeuk> And quite right too, IMO. | |
| <DaveMorris> I was running berly here at work but it dosen't work with my X setup | |
| <jayteeuk> It's cool stuff, but it's still early days. | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <Seeker`> I have DRI errors | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Fancy trying to work out what is wrong? | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <popey> are you using beryl? | |
| <Seeker`> i'm trying to | |
| <popey> Don't | |
| <popey> </end_of_help> | |
| <Seeker`> :( | |
| <DaveMorris> lol | |
| <jayteeuk> Wow, that was odd. | |
| * jayteeuk must learn not to let his 3-year-old son play unattended on the computer. | |
| <jayteeuk> I ended up with a rotating desktop cube that only showed the top (or bottom) face. | |
| <popey> right now i dont have the time or inclination to use beryl, it flat out doesn't work on my setup and as such i wont use it until it does because I need my desktop working | |
| <jayteeuk> I totally sympathise popey, and I dare say I'll disable Beryl and the 3D acceleration on my setup in a couple of days, just like I did last time. | |
| <jayteeuk> But I do have an inclination to at least give it a go, just so I can see what the fuss is about. | |
| <jayteeuk> I resisted the urge for a long time. | |
| <jayteeuk> How does one go about providing feedback to the Xorg ATI driver team and/or Beryl team if the combination causes your system to completely lock up? | |
| * jayteeuk notices the post about renouveau | |
| <X3N> anyone got problems with BT's DNS servers ? | |
| <jayteeuk> Yeah, they smell funny and they keep calling me names. | |
| <jayteeuk> I happen to know that our Harrogate office uses them and they've been having some problems today, but I'm not sure if it's just our domains they're struggling to resolve or a more general problem. | |
| <jayteeuk> I had assumed the former, as some of our servers are being moved, but I may be wrong. | |
| <jayteeuk> Anyway, I'm off for now. | |
| <jayteeuk> I probably won't be around later... not if I want to live anyway. | |
| <txwikinger> anybody not having problems with anything from BT ? | |
| <X3N> txwikinger: ? | |
| <txwikinger> I couldn't pass that one .. even delayed ;-) | |
| <X3N> in general they're pretty good | |
| <txwikinger> I have heard a lot of bad about their ADSL | |
| <X3N> I haven't | |
| <DaveMorris> I just wanna plug my support ticket here :) https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3696 | |
| <GazzaK> I got interweb, wooooo | |
| <constrictor> what's that? | |
| <GazzaK> constrictor, I've been without internet at home since jan 16th, NTL were here today and now I have cable, wooo | |
| <constrictor> oh yay | |
| <GazzaK> more than that, I was getting withdrawl | |
| <GazzaK> I had the shakes | |
| <GazzaK> I enjoyed going to work as I could get a fix there!!! | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, meh. lucky. we have <s>broadband</s> dialup | |
| <GazzaK> wooo http://www.speedtest.net/result/86334097.png | |
| <alecjw> and your server's dropepd the conenction because i'm so slow | |
| <GazzaK> woooo, nice download speed too | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, http://alecjw.no-ip.org/home/updates.png | |
| <alecjw> it somtimes speeds up to about 6kb/s | |
| <GazzaK> I think I'm timing out | |
| <alecjw> lol | |
| <GazzaK> anyone want a nice 32" widescreen Philips crt? I need to sell mine | |
| <alecjw> its basically a screenshot of update manager saying 641bps, 2.5 days remianing | |
| <GazzaK> alecjw, yeah, times out | |
| <GazzaK> lol | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, do oyu have any LCDs you're giving away too? | |
| <GazzaK> you on a bit of string and cups? | |
| <GazzaK> alecjw, I want some money for it!!! | |
| <GazzaK> and no, no lcd's | |
| <alecjw> yeah thats waht i mean | |
| <alecjw> tsorry | |
| <alecjw> *soory | |
| <alecjw> grrrrr | |
| <GazzaK> the philips when bought was £1500 | |
| <alecjw> you can make an LCD proejctor with a 15" lcd screen and an OHP | |
| <GazzaK> hehe | |
| <alecjw> ever tried talkign an LCD apart? | |
| <GazzaK> this new plasma is so wicked | |
| <alecjw> *taking | |
| <GazzaK> alecjw, only lapdog's screen | |
| <alecjw> GazzaK, so i assume that oyu know that it's just a semitransparent bit of plastic with a backlight | |
| <alecjw> (the backlight is the importnat part) | |
| <GazzaK> yes | |
| <alecjw> if you put the actual semitransparent dispaly bit on an OHP, it's like that transparent film you can write on, so you can make an LCD proejctor | |
| <alecjw> but a real LCD projector actaully has one dispaly for red, one fore green and one for blue and it merges the iamges together, but mrh | |
| <alecjw> *mehg | |
| <alecjw> *meh | |
| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Caroline Ford: Wednesday <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/125165.html> | |
| <GazzaK_> woooo | |
| <AdamBagnall> woooo what? | |
| *** neuro|irssi is now known as neuro_ | |
| <Seeker`> j #ubuntu-scribes | |
| <marmer> hy | |
| <Seeker`> hi | |
| <marmer> how can I upgrade gnomebaker 0.6.0 to 0.6.1 from shell please | |
| <marmer> i cannot find it | |
| <gord> marmer, typically ubuntu does not upgrade to newer versions of products until a new version of ubuntu comes out, if typing "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" does not give you the version you want then its likely you will either have to compile the new version yourself or wait for a new version of ubuntu | |
| <marmer> perfect! | |
| <marmer> thx i gave sudo apt.... already, i'll try to compile | |
| <DaveMorris> any ideas about my support ticket? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3696 | |
| <jayteeuk> Not having got as far as giving MythTV a try yet, I'm not in a position to comment. | |
| <DaveMorris> I've googled and had no joy .... | |
| <gord> DaveMorris, to be honist that looks like a problem with mythtv itself, its hard to tell without looking at the whole code but you might get better help in a myth tv channel :) | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah I'll give it 24hrs and if I have no joy I'll post it on myth mailing list | |
| <marmer> where i can get gnomebaker 0.6.1 please | |
| <DaveMorris> you'll have to build it from source which can be found here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=127397&package_id=143190&release_id=455798 |
