| <suzylee> purserj: no idea | |
| <suzylee> how can I find that out? | |
| <purserj> hmm the default ip should be in the doco that came with the modem | |
| <suzylee> i see | |
| <suzylee> so i need to find that in the manual? | |
| <suzylee> purserj: so does every adsl modem come with its own unique default ip ? | |
| <purserj> hmm hold on let me check something | |
| <purserj> okay here's the whirlpool info on that modem: http://whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=278 | |
| <suzylee> i will read that | |
| <suzylee> purserj: but do i need to find out what the ip is for my modem? | |
| <suzylee> does every adsl modem come with its own unique default ip ? | |
| <pschulz01_> Morning.. does anyone here know about how the 'resolvconf' package works? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: If you're just using it as a modem, using pppoe on Linux, you don't need to know the IP. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: im wantiong to connect to my exchange for adsl2+ | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: I just signed up with optusnet | |
| <suzylee> no idea how to connect | |
| <suzylee> and optus told me they dont support Ubuntu | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: any help? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Plug in the modem via ethernet, make sure the line sync light on the modem is on. Then run 'sudo pppoeconf'. | |
| <cafuego_> It will probably ask you about the ethernet interface to use. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: think I need to log in using my username and nickname | |
| <suzylee> but how on earth do I do that? | |
| <bimberi> suzylee: pppoeconf will ask you for those details | |
| <suzylee> bimberi: hello there :) | |
| <suzylee> bimberi: i just signed up with Optusnet for adsl2+ and cant get Xbuntu 6.10 to connect to the internet | |
| <suzylee> bimberi: so all I need do is type: 'sudo pppoeconf' ? | |
| <suzylee> and it will step me through it? | |
| <bimberi> suzylee: hi, hopefully that's the case | |
| <suzylee> bimberi: all I need is my username and password? | |
| <bimberi> suzylee: pretty much, it does a lot of stuff automatically for you | |
| <yama> suzylee: if you have a router-modem, it'd probably be easier to let the modem handle the adsl connection | |
| <yama> then connect to it from xubuntu with an ip address | |
| <yama> most modems these days have a 'quick setup' option, where all you need to do it plug in your username and password | |
| <suzylee> yama: I have no idea if its an router modem | |
| <yama> suzylee: what brand/model? | |
| <purserj> speedtouch 4200 | |
| <suzylee> Siemens SpeedStream 4200 modem | |
| <suzylee> or is it speedtouch? | |
| <purserj> no you're correct | |
| <suzylee> yama: http://whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=278 | |
| <suzylee> purserj: :) | |
| <suzylee> i am glad there are so many strong men to help a clueless girl :) | |
| <cafuego_> <heh> | |
| <suzylee> when I rang Optus they said bad luck pretty much, we dont support linux | |
| * purserj looks around for strong men | |
| <cafuego_> I see you've never met us ;-) | |
| <purserj> suzylee: unfortunately yeah | |
| <suzylee> :-) | |
| <purserj> The first level support generally run off scripts and when you go outside of the script they tend to go the "not supported here" route | |
| <suzylee> but a couple of weeks ago someone on ubuntu told me to just make sure to get enthernet modem and ubuntu will work no probs | |
| <suzylee> i believe that person and thought I would be ok to get this up and running | |
| <purserj> yeah, because if you let the modem handle all the connection stuff its going to be fine | |
| <suzylee> purserj: but I dont know how to let the modem handle all this stuff | |
| <suzylee> it just sits there :P does nothing | |
| * suzylee giggles | |
| <purserj> Okay first up do me a favour and click on System->Administration->Networking | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: If you run it through 'pppoeconf' it'll be set up to run as moidem, and no intervention on your part should be required. | |
| <suzylee> purserj: well I am on my PC atm, because I cant get my notebook to connect to internet | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: so I should load up my laptop, and then type: 'sudo pppoeconf' ? | |
| <suzylee> and just answer the questions? | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: dont I need to enter the modems unique ip? and my username and password somewhere?> | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Pretty much; it will ask for ethernet if there is more then one ehternet card, then it will scan for pppoe servers through the modem, then ask you for the username and password, and that should be it. | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: the IP is only needed if you run it as a router. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: well, that sounds wonderful | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: would mine be running as a router? | |
| <suzylee> how would I know if its running as a router? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: How many ethernet ports does it have? | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: 1 i believe. looks like a phone socket | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Not a router then | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: ah you mean the modem? i thought you meant the laptop heh | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: so if a modem has more than 1 ethernet port, its a router? | |
| <cafuego_> <heh> no, the modem | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: it has 1 USB port and 1 Ethernet | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Generally, yes. Most have 4. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: http://whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=278 | |
| <suzylee> thats my modem | |
| <suzylee> under router; it has some information that I dont understand | |
| <kgoetz> can someone give me a hint about what i should search for to find info on running a script when a user logs out? | |
| <cafuego_> kgoetz: .bash_logout | |
| <cafuego_> kgoetz: Oh sorry. hint: man bash | |
| <cafuego_> kgoetz: I don't know if all shells support it, though. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: ok ill try the 'sudo pppoeconf' command when I boot it up | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: if it asks me for an ip address, what shall I do then? | |
| <kgoetz> cafuego_: hm ok | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: *nod* After that you may need to run 'sudo pon <connection name>' | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: pppoeconf will not as for an IP address | |
| <cafuego_> But if it does, the modem is 10.1.1.1 and you'll want to use 10.1.1.2 or something. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: 10.1.1.1 or 10.1.1.2 ? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: the modem is 10.1.1.1. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: 'sudo pon <connection name>' <- whats the connection name? optusnet ? | |
| <purserj> gah none of my audio players will play the asx file from the abc | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: pppoeconf will give it a name or ask you for the name. | |
| <purserj> and I seriously do not want to listen via real | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: the abc do mp3 too these days, so they not? | |
| <purserj> yeah, but not in streams | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: abc radio sure do | |
| <purserj> hmm I can't find an mp3 streamer | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: okay. and whatever name I gave it, then I type sudo pon <connection name>. | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: yep | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: the next time I load ubuntu, do I always have to type: sudo pon <connection name> ? | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: http://www.abc.net.au/radio/listenlive.htm | |
| <yama> cafuego_: some of the lower-end router-modems only have one ethernet port | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: I thought adsl modems connect automatically | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: The modem syncs automatically with the dslam, but the pppoe connection running on top does not. | |
| <yama> the process *should* be: log into modem web interface, put in username and password, configure computer to get address via dhcp, use Internet | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: However, once you have it set up, you can add an entry for the pppoe link in /etc/network/interfaces and make it start at bootup. | |
| <purserj> cafuego_: yeah those are wmf streams (at least asx) | |
| <yama> running a local pppoe client should be totally unnecessary, as the modem should be able to do it all | |
| <pschulz01_> Anyone know how to find 'sparse' files? | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: No, there are three. real, asx, mp3. | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: for the live feeds at least, are you after an older one? | |
| <cafuego_> oh and newsradio seems to only have 2. | |
| <purserj> no a live feed, can't find the mp3 option on that page, I must be going blind | |
| <cafuego_> which one are you after? | |
| <purserj> ABC 702 | |
| <kgoetz> its a bit of a bummer about the abc's choice of audio stream | |
| <purserj> yes it is. It couldn't be that much of a pain to add an ogg stream | |
| <pschulz01_> kgoetz: We should ask them to change. | |
| <cafuego_> Ok. The only two I tested to mp3, the others don't. Duh. | |
| * purserj mutters about WMP6.4 under wine | |
| <kgoetz> pschulz01_: quite likely | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: as I dont know how to add an entry for the pppoe link in /etc/network/interfaces and make it start at bootup, do I then need to type every time: sudo pon <connection name> ? | |
| <pschulz01_> kgoetz: Wrap the request around a cluestick | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: My sound card seems to be broken, but vlc claims it connected successfully on the asx. | |
| <purserj> yeah Rhythmbox and totem both claim to have connected but can't get passed the buffering | |
| <pschulz01_> kgoetz: Imaging the head of the ABC getting a broomhandle in the post with a letter attached. | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: it's reading data | |
| <purserj> bleh, time to boot up Karins windows laptop | |
| <cafuego_> streaming at 91Kb | |
| <suzylee> someone told me that Optus block ports, and they refuse static IPs! is that true? | |
| <yama> I don't know about blocking ports, but I think that the latter is true | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: they probably block port 25 and according to that whirlpool page they block pot 5060 too. | |
| <yama> what's on 5060? | |
| <cafuego_> SIP | |
| <purserj> VOIP | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: what would I use port 25 and 5060 for? | |
| <purserj> SIP sorry | |
| <suzylee> !sip | |
| <ubotu> sip: Python/C++ bindings generator. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.10.2-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 208 kB | |
| *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing | |
| <kgoetz> suzylee: eamil and sip | |
| <yama> a telephone company blocking voip? how novel | |
| <suzylee> kgoetz: whats SIP? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: 5060 is sip (voip). 25 is to send email out. | |
| <purserj> sip is a voice over ip protocol | |
| <kgoetz> ^^ | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: so how can I send email out if they blocked it? | |
| <yama> suzylee: basically, it lets you make voice calls over the Internet | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: who do you use for adsl? | |
| <kgoetz> yama: quite :| | |
| <purserj> they force you to use their mail servers instead of running your own | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: Yes, vlc is playing it fine (running it on Donnas machine) | |
| <suzylee> yama: thats nasty! Optus blocks me from make voice calls over the Internet? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Internode | |
| <yama> suzylee: well they are a telephone company. They want to protect that business | |
| <kgoetz> talk about conflict of intrest when serving customers ;) | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: does internode block ports and refuse static IPs? | |
| <kgoetz> no | |
| <suzylee> kgoetz: ;) | |
| * suzylee cries | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: You use the optus mail server. this is mainly because SO many windows machines are infected with worms and stuff. | |
| <suzylee> i knew I should have gone with Internode | |
| * suzylee cries a lot | |
| <kgoetz> internode will let you opt in to port blocking (on new accounts it might be opt out, but its optional allthe same) | |
| <yama> suzylee: it's only a problem if you wat to run you rown mail server | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Internode does block ports, but you can turn that off. if you pay extra, you can have a static IP. | |
| <yama> you need a business plan to have a static ip with internode | |
| <suzylee> the reason I wanted to joi Optus was that they offer me adsl2+ and free modem and free setup and 60gig per month for $69.95! But Internode told me it costs me over $100 for modem and set up and they onlu offer me adsl and 40gig per month | |
| <suzylee> yama: ojay i C | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Yup. Internode are expensive. | |
| <yama> but they are good | |
| <yama> well worth it if you ask me | |
| <suzylee> yama: so it wont affect me using optus anwyay | |
| <kgoetz> suzylee: but depending on what you download, you get that 20 gig in unmetered stuff anyway | |
| <suzylee> im not running a mail server | |
| <yama> suzylee: probably not | |
| <suzylee> kgoetz: unmetered? | |
| <kgoetz> <3 internode | |
| <kgoetz> suzylee: freely downloadable stuff, doesnt count toward you quota | |
| <suzylee> kgoetz: thats amazing | |
| <suzylee> what stuff? | |
| <suzylee> is tis stuff always upated? | |
| <kgoetz> http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ | |
| <kgoetz> almost always - depends wdhat you want | |
| <cafuego_> oh would someone please gag condoleeza rice? | |
| <suzylee> is the internode modem a lot better than the optus one? | |
| * kgoetz types that url way to often | |
| <cafuego_> kgoetz: bookmark ;-) | |
| <kgoetz> i bought my own. so nfi | |
| <kgoetz> cafuego_: setting up sources.list's ;) | |
| <suzylee> internode seems good with support too | |
| <cafuego_> kgoetz: Hmmyeah. I should rsycn that. | |
| <suzylee> does internode have 2 year contracts like Optus? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: A friend of mine is on Optus adsl2 and he loves it, so you'll be fine anyway. | |
| <kgoetz> cafuego_: *hugs mirror* | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: okay | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: internode was to expensive thats why I chose Optus | |
| <kgoetz> i suspect optus become worth it if you dont already use sip and your phones with them (so you get cheaper calls thing) | |
| <suzylee> do Optus ban torrent files? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: nope | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: im with them on 2 year contract, i hope they dont ban torrent files in near future | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: I doubt it; you cna run torrents on whatever port number you like, it's impossible to filter out | |
| <kgoetz> look on whingepool. if tehy are likely to, the forums there will know before anything else ;) | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: And *if* they do, for $20 per month you can buy a cheap Xen vm in the US to run rtorrent on ;-) | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: someone told me I can also encrypt the header files for torrent, so optus cannot see what im doenloading. is that possible? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Probably, I've never checked that. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: what is a Xen vm? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: a Xen VM is a virtual Linux machine (or windows machine). | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: u have a Xen vm? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Yep, I use it as backup mail server and web server. | |
| <kgoetz> brb. booting off my hdd | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: I did a search for that, and look what google found: http://www.cafuego.net/rss.xml.php | |
| * suzylee giggles | |
| <cafuego_> <heh> | |
| <suzylee> Cafuego's Blog :) | |
| <cafuego_> why is that monkey using my name? | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: so if I have any problems with Optus, I can purchase a Xen vm? | |
| * suzylee giggles | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: It's *a* way of bypassing such a block, yes. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: i love it | |
| <cafuego_> You could set up a VPN and just run all your data via the vm. | |
| <cafuego_> I do that on occassion to get around "us-only" websites | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: thats bad! I cant use Voip on optusnet :( | |
| <suzylee> thats nasty | |
| <kgoetz> there is non sip voip isnt there? just sips the only non computer -> computer one | |
| <suzylee> im going to complain to Optus and demand a refund because I just learned I cannot use Voip! one reason I wanted boradband was to use Voip at some stage | |
| <yama> suzylee: I would double check that one with them first before I blow my stack | |
| <suzylee> yama: yah. i will. | |
| <suzylee> yama: I wanted to speak to others using my webcam etc | |
| <suzylee> so I can see my friends as we talk to each other | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: You can't use *sip* apparently, but stuff like skype would work just fine. | |
| <suzylee> cafuego: whats difference between sip and skype? | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: they're two different protocols | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: skype is proprietary (but based on sip i think) | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: But still, sip is only *one* voip protocol. there are many others. | |
| <suzylee> can I still talk live with my friends as a phone call over internet? computer to computer? | |
| <pschulz01_> cafuego: Skype does lots of dodgy stuff... | |
| <cafuego_> suzylee: Set up the adsl and check if you can make ekiga work with a SIP account | |
| <cafuego_> pschulz01_: "proprietary" ;-) | |
| <suzylee> be back later | |
| <suzylee> fanx for your help | |
| <kgoetz> fanx? | |
| <cafuego_> thanks in a londonder accent | |
| <kgoetz> oh right | |
| <yama> londonder? :p | |
| <cafuego_> filfy typo3s | |
| <yama> feh | |
| * cafuego_ runs for cover | |
| <adhoc> hmm | |
| <purserj> oh whacko, apparantly vista runs all installer apps as admin | |
| <cafuego_> Linux does too. | |
| <cafuego_> It's not uncommon. | |
| <purserj> hmm, true | |
| * purserj ratchetts down automatic "Its Vista, it sucks" response | |
| <yama> linux doesn't do anything by default. If you want to run it as a normal user, then nobody is oging to stop you | |
| <cafuego_> The thing is, on Linux you *clearly* run such stuff as root. on Vista, who knows? | |
| <purserj> apt-get install /win 31 | |
| <purserj> bleaksdhgalskdgalsfga;kf | |
| <yama> lots of apps can be installed as a normal user in linus | |
| <yama> *linux | |
| <purserj> Wants to see someone install something in linus | |
| <cafuego_> yama: Sure, much like on Windows - not all apps need dll's all over the shop. | |
| <cafuego_> yama: But for a multi-user installation, most of not all apps go into /usr/bin - as root. | |
| <romana> he might object | |
| <yama> but I'm root, dammit | |
| <purserj> you want root on linus? | |
| * yama wants to root linus' box | |
| <cafuego_> it's just a dual G5. Jerub has a nicer one. | |
| * romana throws bucket of cold water on yama | |
| <purserj> hmm, Rudd seems to be getting Howard on the back foot more and more | |
| <cafuego_> purserj: "Don't you think he looks tired?" | |
| <purserj> yup | |
| <cafuego_> Oh shiny, new libtrace! | |
| <cafuego_> http://research.wand.net.nz/software/visualisation.php <-- hrrrmmm | |
| * romana weeps crocodile tears for howa...nah, cant even bother | |
| <purserj> its fun. Beazley couldn't get him, Latham was just a bully, but Rudds got the brains | |
| <pschulz01_> What is the package that allows ssh-agent to work across multiple gnome windows. | |
| <pschulz01_> ? | |
| <cafuego_> don't mention Beazley | |
| <romana> but hes so neo conservative to | |
| <romana> i mean, i approve of him being in, but vaguely perturbed | |
| <purserj> Lathams was annoying because he had the arrogance of Keating but none of the skill or brains | |
| <purserj> romana: yeah and thats why he's getting the numbers. He's beating Howard at his own game | |
| <cafuego_> (without being an actual racist, unlike howard) | |
| <purserj> yup | |
| <purserj> He's Labours nice WASP | |
| <cafuego_> White Anglo Saxon Pigdog? | |
| <purserj> Protestant | |
| <romana> i know, but its disturbing trend | |
| <romana> he rises to telowered bar:( | |
| <romana> brb, smallest lad naptime | |
| <cafuego_> pschulz01_: gnome-keyring? | |
| <pschulz01_> What about 'seahorse'? | |
| <cafuego_> seahorse is a key manager | |
| <cafuego_> and quite possibly a very buggy POS | |
| <cafuego_> pschulz01_: or are you after the seahorse agent thingie? | |
| <pschulz01_> cafuego: OK.. I have ssh-agent, which works for a single terminal.. | |
| <cafuego_> pschulz01_: *nod* provided SSH_AGENT_PID is set in other terminals, it should keep working. | |
| <pschulz01_> cafuego: How do I get all my gnome-terminals to see this. | |
| <pschulz01_> ? | |
| <pschulz01_> cafuego: automatically.. | |
| <romana> bak | |
| <cafuego_> pschulz01_ i used to have it set up, but I can't find it :-( | |
| <romana> keyring? | |
| <romana> oh no, someone said that | |
| <luzylee> cafuego: you left? | |
| <cafuego_> No, that was only for comic effect. | |
| <luzylee> cafuego: can I shopw u something? | |
| <luzylee> it may affect my optus boradband question | |
| <luzylee> http://www.optusnet.com.au/help/dsl/connected | |
| <luzylee> At a glance, this table provides more advanced users with all of the information you need to configure your computer to use Optus DSL Broadband. | |
| <luzylee> Network ServiceService Settings | |
| <luzylee> Primary Domain Name Server211.29.132.12 | |
| <luzylee> Secondary Domain Name Server198.142.0.51 | |
| <luzylee> Domain Name Suffixoptuszoo.com.au | |
| <kgoetz> dont flood | |
| <luzylee> cafuego: will I need that when I type: sudo pppoeconf ? | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: oh | |
| * luzylee hides away from kgoetz | |
| <cafuego_> luzylee: When you run pppoe, that stuff is sent by the server that assigns you an IP address and configured automatically. | |
| <cafuego_> luzylee: When the modem runs as router, you need to set this up manually. | |
| <luzylee> well then i dont need it, okay | |
| <luzylee> cafuego_: I rang them | |
| <luzylee> they told me its not a router for sure | |
| * cafuego_ nods. | |
| * luzylee nods | |
| <luzylee> :-) | |
| <cafuego_> pppoe will take care of it then | |
| <luzylee> thats excellent | |
| <romana> glad its workign out luzylee | |
| <luzylee> cafuego: they told me optus is not taking anymore users for Vista till March 31 | |
| <luzylee> romana: hi | |
| <luzylee> this must be costing optus a lot of money not supporting linux or vista | |
| <luzylee> but if i can get this running with ubuntu, I dont need their help | |
| <luzylee> romana: :-) | |
| <cafuego_> luzylee: Not supporting Vista probably, most Linux users probably don't need tech support. | |
| <luzylee> cafuego_: some linux users need help, eg. poor little me :-) | |
| <cafuego_> or if they do, most actually know more then the people in the call center | |
| <romana> thats the idea | |
| <luzylee> cafuego_: but if all we need is: sudo pppoeconf then its easy | |
| <cafuego_> luzylee: Yup, that should be all there is to it. | |
| <luzylee> okay, that is all I need then | |
| <luzylee> will go and try it | |
| <luzylee> goodbye | |
| <cafuego_> good luck :-) | |
| <luzylee> :-) | |
| <luzylee> cafuego: if it doesnt work, do you mind if I return? | |
| <romana> luzylee: thats what we are here for:) | |
| <romana> i have always found windows to be harder ot setup | |
| <merlin-linux> afternoon all, how are we all? | |
| <romana> seriously, 99% of things are harder on windows imho | |
| <luzylee> romana: :-) | |
| <romana> merlin-linux: running feisty and disappointe dwith the ease of transition | |
| <romana> wheres the earth shattering kaboom? | |
| <cafuego_> romana: hiding behind the desktop effects | |
| <kgoetz> ltsp.org needs a facelift - and an unbreaking | |
| <romana> cafuego_: i dont use beryl or compiz, so not a lot of those:))) | |
| <cafuego_> But it's the law! So it can look like Vista! Because that's what we all want! Vista! But free! | |
| <romana> http://pacificprince.googlepages.com/vista-hardware-reqs.png | |
| <romana> speaking of vista, this is from dell | |
| <kgoetz> romana: BAHAHAHAHAAHh *cough* | |
| <romana> OOOO new democracy | |
| * romana dwnloads ubuntu client | |
| <romana> bbl, visitor | |
| * cafuego_ would incidentally not be at all surprised if suzylee turned out to be 'eternaljoy' | |
| * kgoetz doesnt have ssh to his desktop, or could look up some logs | |
| <luzylee> cafuego_: last thing to ask you, if I may please? | |
| <kgoetz> luzylee: ask the channel, and you might get a responce from peopel who know | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: fanx | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: I will ask you then if I may | |
| <luzylee> i found a website that I think tells me how to connect my optus adsl using Ubuntu Firefox. But I am not sure! can u quickly look at it for me and confirm? | |
| <kgoetz> i dont use optus, but if you put the link here i can look anyway | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: yeah I know that, but can u have a look anyway as your experience will be enough | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: its at: | |
| <luzylee> http://www.optusnet.com.au/help/dsl/connected/windows/optus_modems/speedstream_4200 | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: it talks about 5 steps | |
| <luzylee> do i just do those 5 steps in ubuntu firefox? | |
| <luzylee> scroll to: Configure Your Modem | |
| <luzylee> Step 1 of 5 | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: fanx | |
| <kgoetz> you should be able to follow those instructions | |
| <luzylee> u think thats make sense? | |
| <luzylee> those 5 steps? | |
| <kgoetz> if thats the modem you have they should be pretty close to right | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: thats the modem | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: hello | |
| <hysterio> hi luzylee | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: ask you somehging please? | |
| <kgoetz> hi mate | |
| <hysterio> hey kgoetz | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: I just joined optusnet boradband | |
| <hysterio> luzylee: sure | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: http://www.optusnet.com.au/help/dsl/connected/windows/optus_modems/speedstream_4200 | |
| <luzylee> do i just need to follow those 5 steps to set up fir Ubuntu? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: i cant get Xbuntu 6.10 to connect to optus. | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: can u check those 5 steps for me plz? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: scroll to: Configure Your Modem | |
| <luzylee> Step 1 of 5 | |
| <hysterio> im reading it now | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: fanx a lot | |
| <luzylee> i been trying all day | |
| <luzylee> since 6am | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: I found tjat website using google | |
| <hysterio> how is the modem attached to your computeR? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: Ethernet | |
| <luzylee> do I fllow those 5 steps? | |
| <luzylee> on that website | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: do I enter Enter http://10.1.1.1 into firefox? | |
| <hysterio> yes | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: did you connect using those 5 steps? | |
| <hysterio> i use optus cable | |
| <luzylee> oh | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: do those 5 steps seem right for me? | |
| <hysterio> how are you connected at the moment? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: notebook, ethernet! but atm, im using PC with dial up as I cant get notebook to connect | |
| <hysterio> so you are on a seperate computer? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: if I load notebook and ubuntu on it, do I load firefox and enter http://10.1.1.1 and follow thoise 5 steps? | |
| <hysterio> yes, but there is some stuff you may need to do first | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: now I am as I cant be on IRC on notebook as it doesnt connect | |
| <luzylee> stuff like? | |
| <hysterio> you will need to get an ip address off the adsl router | |
| <luzylee> where i get that? and where I enter that? | |
| <kgoetz> you should be able to do the basic modem config without it being online, as your just putting data into it | |
| <kgoetz> for the record | |
| <luzylee> TPK: are you connected to optus broadband using ubuntu? | |
| <luzylee> kgoetz: okay | |
| <TPK> Cable yes | |
| <luzylee> i dont have cable | |
| <luzylee> been trying since 6am to connect | |
| * luzylee cries | |
| <TPK> The good thing about cable is that you don't have to log in to connect | |
| <hysterio> luzylee: on the notebook, press alt-f2 and type in gnome-terminal | |
| *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: yes and now? | |
| <hysterio> then click ok | |
| <luzylee> it just opened a terminal | |
| <luzylee> nothing to click | |
| <hysterio> k | |
| <hysterio> im doing this from memory, i dont use gnome | |
| <hysterio> luzylee: type in ifconfig | |
| <hysterio> is there an entry for eth0? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: but its not connected to internet | |
| <hysterio> doesnt matter | |
| <luzylee> ok | |
| <luzylee> ill have to go and boot notebook up | |
| <luzylee> brb | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: will that give me the modems ip? | |
| <hysterio> no, we are trying to get an IP address off the router | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: I have that already I think | |
| <hysterio> need to check - cause if the notebook is configured for DHCP it should just work | |
| <luzylee> i havent configured notebook, i just installed xbuntu 6.10 | |
| <hysterio> k | |
| <luzylee> Primary Domain Name Server211.29.132.12 | |
| <luzylee> Secondary Domain Name Server198.142.0.51 | |
| <hysterio> where did you get that information? | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: from | |
| <luzylee> http://www.optusnet.com.au/help/dsl/connected | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: is that what we needed? | |
| <hysterio> no | |
| <hysterio> it may come in handy later though | |
| <luzylee> ok | |
| <luzylee> so whats my first step? | |
| <luzylee> after 8 hours, im reasdy to connect :) | |
| <hysterio> need to load up a terminal window on the notebook and run ifconfig | |
| <luzylee> ok | |
| <luzylee> i typed it | |
| <luzylee> eth0 10.1.1.1 | |
| <luzylee> hysterio: still here? | |
| <hysterio> yeah | |
| <luzylee> next step? | |
| <hysterio> well thats not going to work | |
| <luzylee> why? | |
| <hysterio> the eth0 address is the same as the router address | |
| <luzylee> what should it be? | |
| <hysterio> try typing sudo dhclient eth0 on the notebook | |
| <luzylee> i will come back for that. fanx. sorry, i been here 8 hours. need to go to school. back tomorrow | |
| <luzylee> fanx | |
| <hysterio> np | |
| <nrdb> I have heard a romour that the PPC is to be droped from the officially CPU support list. Is this true ? | |
| <hysterio> seems to be | |
| <purserj> So no Ubuntu PS3 then | |
| <TheMuso> No. | |
| <TheMuso> But they have also decided to use free drivers by default, but create an easy way for users to switch TO PROPRIETARY DRIVERS IF THEY WANT TO. | |
| <TheMuso> bah capslock | |
| * TheMuso switches orca to laptop mode. | |
| <TheMuso> y...or not. | |
| <hysterio> purserj: there goes any reason I had for buying one. Well actually I never intended on buying one.. | |
| * TheMuso returns to the trusty console. | |
| <TheMuso> and realises that orca needs more debugging. | |
| <siccness> BEEEEER :D | |
| <Tatey^2> you are | |
| <kgoetz> not a bad idea, but i have $60 to my name | |
| <siccness> man, 35 celcius today | |
| <siccness> 39 celcius in the classroom | |
| <siccness> no aircon :| | |
| <Tatey^2> ouch | |
| *** Tatey^2 is now known as Tatey | |
| <Hit3k> so.. hows the lonely hearts club today | |
| <siccness> same as it was the day before | |
| <Hit3k> thats how i feel | |
| <Hit3k> except i got a pie | |
| <siccness> i got two meat pies for dinner | |
| <siccness> lookin forward to em as well, Vili's baby! | |
| <siccness> VILIS! | |
| <Hit3k> yeah well nothing says "I hope you choke" more than a homemade apple pie :p | |
| <siccness> kgoetz: I have about $10 to my name, trust me, you can't go wrong with a beer :P | |
| * romana shrugs | |
| <romana> imnot:) | |
| * romana just made bread, what does that say:) | |
| <Hit3k> you probably enjoy making bread considering the last time i talk to you, you were making bread as well | |
| <romana> Hit3k: i make bread daily:) | |
| <romana> got me there | |
| <romana> family prefers it | |
| <Hit3k> ohhhhhhh | |
| <Hit3k> I was gonna ask if you were a baker | |
| <Hit3k> Those clouds outside look menacing I wish they'd come this way and storm! | |
| <romana> nah, just like cooking/they like eating | |
| <romana> no clouds here, just heat | |
| *** greeb is now known as greebo | |
| *** quail_linux is now known as quail | |
| * Davo_Dinkum lurks | |
| <siccness> Stop lurking | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Nah | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> I do wish to relicence all M$ software though. | |
| <siccness> So you've said. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Our prac at rafe was to install lose2k | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Like, zzzzzzzz boring, | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> *at tafw | |
| <siccness> Your TAFE sucks | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> *at tafe | |
| <siccness> Not even ours is that boring | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> It sure does | |
| <siccness> We spend 3hrs today fixing computers that the first yearer's b0rked | |
| <siccness> *spent | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> That was after the teacher spent 2 hours talking | |
| <siccness> See if they're going to teach you how to install Windows, they could atleast show you how to slipstream | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Fixing as in format C? | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Slipstream is making a custom install disc, right? | |
| <siccness> No, fixing as in, pulling apart, finding out why [insert hardware] isn't working | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Ah sweet. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Hands on stuff | |
| <siccness> An example of Slipstreaming would be, combing Windows 2000 Pro with Service Pack 4 or whatever | |
| <siccness> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> What would be even better is if we installed from a slipstreamed install image by network booting the machines, and then making them copy a HDD image off a server. | |
| <siccness> Of course. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> I saw it done when I did work experience. Pretty good stuff. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Just plug a few boxes into a switch, network boot them, and it installs by itself. | |
| <siccness> yup | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Desktops suck in a big environment anyway. Thin clients are way better. | |
| <siccness> hmm, Heh, they have utilities now to create unattended windows installations | |
| <siccness> boy have times changed | |
| <siccness> Davo_Dinkum: Speak to your TAFE about doing something like that | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Why would I want to do that? It's losedoze | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> I don't wan't to use losedose at all. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Is there a #ubuntu-powerpc or something like it? | |
| <adhok> ping? | |
| <adhok> evenen all =) | |
| <purserj> bleh | |
| <praetorian> ? :( | |
| <adhok> hmmm | |
| <adhok> wassup purserj ? | |
| <purserj> mentally exhausted | |
| <purserj> youngest has tonsilitis | |
| <purserj> so its been a really exhausting day, hence we are postponing the show until tomorrow | |
| <adhok> ah ok =) | |
| <adhok> i been trying to get the last episode onto my phone so i can listen to it | |
| <purserj> your phone has mp3 playback? | |
| <adhok> yes | |
| <adhok> and i can bluetooth it up with obexftp | |
| <adhok> i think i ran out of room on it | |
| <purserj> ah bugger | |
| <adhok> so i'll have to cramp the mp3 or delete my ring tone! =O | |
| <adhok> i have photos on the media card | |
| <adhok> so i'll tidy them up and put it on there i think | |
| <adhok> the 40-50 minute bus ride is mind numming | |
| <siccness> I hear ya | |
| <siccness> bus rides are painful | |
| <adhok> and i have read all the interesting articles in 2600\ | |
| <adhok> we have wemon that gossip endlessly | |
| <adhok> the bus ride is ok, really | |
| <siccness> 9 months on Linux! | |
| <purserj> 7 years on linux | |
| <siccness> 13 years on the computer! | |
| <purserj> umm 25 years on the computer | |
| <siccness> Ohh it's a challenge to see who's better is it? :P | |
| <merlin-linux> siccness: how are you mate? | |
| <merlin-linux> siccness: i have my wireless unit running OpenWrt now | |
| <merlin-linux> and it is working great | |
| <adhok> i got a vz200 at 9th birthday =) | |
| <adhok> purserj: what was your first PC ? | |
| <adhok> (or micro) | |
| <purserj> adhok: apple IIe I think | |
| <bimberi> <-- TRS-80 in 1980 | |
| <bimberi> still got it boxed up in the storeroom | |
| <adhok> purserj: =) we had a lot of those at school | |
| <adhok> bimberi: did yours run CoCo ? | |
| <purserj> I used to have a zx spectrum in 85 | |
| <bimberi> adhok: no, just BASIC - complete with audio tape storage :) | |
| <bimberi> i always liked the spectrum, never had one. VZ200 was my 2nd PC | |
| <adhok> yeah, i had an audo cassette machine for my vz200, also | |
| <adhok> hi elkbuntu_ | |
| <adhok> bimberi: was that one of the ones that had the LCD on the micro ? | |
| <bimberi> adhok: the VZ200? No. | |
| <bimberi> I did have the 16K memory expansion though - it was about half the size of the PC itself! | |
| * TheMuso_ wonders whether NSW peoples were just hit by something | |
| <TheMuso_> adsl wise | |
| <bimberi> The V-Z200: http://www.old-computers.com/MUSEUM/computer.asp?st=1&c=979 :) | |
| <bimberi> *VZ-200 | |
| <adhok> bimberi: yes thats the one i had =) | |
| *** TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso | |
| <bimberi> :) | |
| *** allan__ is now known as Hit3k_ | |
| <adhok> i am sure i used a tsr-80 type thing with a LCD screen on the top of it | |
| <adhok> didn't have an external RF for TV | |
| <siccness> Shit yeah! Crown tomorrow night | |
| <adhok> siccness: ? | |
| <adhok> you going clubbing? | |
| <siccness> nah | |
| <siccness> gambling/drinking | |
| <siccness> with a good mate that i havent seen for ages | |
| <siccness> except i see him every week | |
| <Hit3k_> .. odd :p | |
| <adhok> which server are you guys connected to? | |
| <adhok> probably not the australian one ? | |
| * adhok knocks back some truffles | |
| <adhok> hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | |
| <bimberi> <-- brown.freenode.net [Madison, WI, US] | |
| <adhok> yeah ... | |
| <adhok> WI == wisconson ? | |
| <bimberi> i guess so | |
| <Hit3k_> something like that | |
| <TheMuso> so thats probably what happened. | |
| <TheMuso> The server I was on died when I needed it the most. :) | |
| <adhok> WI == wisconsin | |
| <adhok> just connect to asimov.freenode.net | |
| <adhok> its in brisvegas | |
| <adhok> and rarely goes doewn | |
| *** elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu | |
| <adhok> all you guys with your wik3d cloaking =( | |
| * Fujitsu drapes a sheet over adhok. | |
| <adhok> =/ | |
| * adhok feels hot | |
| <adhok> somebody pass me a fan | |
| * adhok thinks about air-con | |
| <siccness> Yeah, it's a bit like that mate | |
| * siccness is excited! | |
| <adhok> um | |
| <adhok> is this a off topic that we want to go into? | |
| <siccness> no | |
| <siccness> but it's more of a "ignore it, and move on" kind of comment | |
| <siccness> purely done for the point of continuus typing | |
| <adhok> meh | |
| <siccness> :) | |
| <adhok> whats new and exciting in the world of open source this week? | |
| <praetor> has anyone watched that show on 10, The Con Test | |
| <Hit3k_> me. | |
| <praetor> jeez i hate it already | |
| <Hit3k_> praetor, that show is SO freaking pointless | |
| <siccness> that show is shit | |
| <siccness> the insults people think of are piss poor | |
| <praetor> yea | |
| <adhok> a show about insulting others? | |
| <adhok> how channel 10 | |
| <adhok> what other pointless reality tv can they dream up ? | |
| <praetor> its just...lame | |
| <siccness> The new game/quiz shows are appauling | |
| <siccness> I woulda thought they'd atleast ask harder questions after the first week | |
| <siccness> but nope, the questions remain answerable by 10 year olds | |
| <praetor> sale of the century | |
| <praetor> was the best quiz show ever | |
| <siccness> Yeah | |
| <praetor> hands down | |
| <siccness> Temptation isn't as good | |
| <praetor> temptation sucks | |
| <Hit3k_> Temptation is so boring | |
| <siccness> Temptation has stupid new board things | |
| <siccness> where you can burgler peoples points and stuff | |
| <siccness> i dont ever remember that in sale of the century | |
| <siccness> and "turbo round" | |
| <adhok> TV is boring | |
| <Hit3k_> only reality TV. | |
| <adhok> torrents is where its at | |
| * Davo_Dinkum 's Understatement detector blows up | |
| <Hit3k_> ok Reality TV isnt boring its stupid flat out stupid it only shows the angry/fighting side of people | |
| <praetor> adhok: agreed, though sometimes i just put the tv on just to have it on in the background | |
| <siccness> '24' rocks :P | |
| <siccness> 9mins baby! | |
| <praetor> heroes/dexter/prison break/battlestar ftw | |
| <Hit3k_> heroes ftw | |
| <siccness> heroes is weird | |
| <Hit3k_> it gets better | |
| <siccness> different, still unsure on whether I like it or not. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Don't forget anime! | |
| <siccness> Oh but I will, Davo_Dinkum :P | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> LOL | |
| <adhok> praetor: i can't stand ads as background noise | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> How can I view all the channels on freenode? | |
| <Hit3k_> /list? | |
| <praetor> yea bleach is good too | |
| <Hit3k_> ^^ not recommended | |
| <praetor> now that the fillers are over | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> praetor: Is that still on Ch BT or has it been licensed? | |
| <bimberi> !channels | Davo_Dinkum | |
| <ubotu> Davo_Dinkum: A list of Freenode channels is available via http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - UBuntu related channels can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Ah nice | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Cheers | |
| <bimberi> ooh a typo | |
| <adhok> its a BIG list | |
| <bimberi> np :) | |
| <bimberi> !no channels is <reply> A list of Freenode channels is available via http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - Ubuntu related channels can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat | |
| <ubotu> I'll remember that bimberi | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Bots are freaky when they talk back like that. | |
| <praetor> licensed? | |
| <bimberi> !thanks | Davo_Dinkum | |
| <ubotu> Davo_Dinkum: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) | |
| <praetor> bleach7.com ftw | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> praetor: Are you familiar with the 'ethics' of fansubbers? | |
| <praetor> nope | |
| * Davo_Dinkum runs away from scary bot. | |
| <praetor> enlighten me | |
| <bimberi> !hi | You should all tremble in your boots as soon as I say | |
| <ubotu> You should all tremble in your boots as soon as I say: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-au! | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Fansubbers are under the impression that they should support whoever wrote/made the anime/manga, which means they stop seeding the shows on Ch BT as soon as they are officially released in english. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Fansubbers think you should buy the english language copy | |
| <adhok> thats a fair cop? | |
| <praetor> i dont see a problem with that | |
| <praetor> and i dont see your point | |
| * Davo_Dinkum really thinks it should be obvious. | |
| <adhok> perhaps i should have typed, "and thats not a fair cop?" | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> OK, let's compare it to software. For example, windows xp is first released in, say, Russian. Obviously, Someone who doesn't understand russian isn't going to be able to make use of this version of winxp. But if a group of people come along and release an english language version, you would be able to make use of that. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Now, if M$ released an english language version, would you go out and buy it? | |
| <adhok> Davo_Dinkum: i would not go and buy XP | |
| <adhok> i would not use XP | |
| <praetor> similarly, i wont go out and buy bleach if it gets released | |
| <praetor> cause ive already seen it | |
| <praetor> and the same goes for movies that get released here 2 months late | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> adhok: Just for this example, pretend you would use xp | |
| <adhok> if i had a choice of using a computer only with XP or not using a computer | |
| <adhok> i would choose not to use a computer | |
| <praetor> Australians are not second class citizens to the rest of the world. If you think you can make us wait 2 months you are kidding yourself and losing customers | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> adhok: You are completely missing the point here. | |
| <adhok> you are using the completely wrong example | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Then adjust it so you like the OS in question. | |
| <adhok> i have given up buying "global" brands | |
| * adhok is focusing on local artists | |
| <praetor> i've bought stuff from Magnatune before | |
| <praetor> and will do so again | |
| <adhok> Davo_Dinkum: your point is, there is some non-english release of a good movie | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> !Magnatune | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about magnatune - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
| <adhok> and when its diubbed into english i should by it? | |
| <adhok> praetor: how about madman ? | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Yes, that's what I'm asking. | |
| <adhok> Davo_Dinkum: that is not unresonable | |
| <praetor> adhok: madman? not sure what you mean | |
| <adhok> software and movies can not be compared | |
| <adhok> praetor: they sell movies | |
| <adhok> the release most of the anime in austrlia | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> adhok: Even if the movie is under a typical hollywood 'copy and die' license? | |
| <praetor> i hadn't heard of them before, i'll take a look | |
| <adhok> Davo_Dinkum: i don't watch hollowood crap | |
| <adhok> madman.com.au | |
| <adhok> IIRR | |
| <purserj> klepas: ping | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> adhok: Can you please look past your personal preferences here for one second??!?! | |
| <adhok> you want to priate movies, go for your life ;) | |
| <adhok> if you don't thats fine too =) | |
| <adhok> i don't and am not interested | |
| <adhok> would rather go see good stuff in the cinema | |
| <adhok> we used to have a really good art house cinema in london | |
| <adhok> but not found anything like it here | |
| <adhok> that said i am still waiting for battlestar galactica to come out on DVD | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Why? | |
| <adhok> because i'd like to watch it | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Ch BT? | |
| <adhok> its out apparently | |
| <adhok> but only season one | |
| <adhok> No Longer Available =( | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> ah | |
| <adhok> http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/779075 | |
| <adhok> this is the problem | |
| <adhok> they make such short releases | |
| <adhok> season 2 - http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/787854 | |
| <adhok> altight then | |
| <adhok> i better bugger off and let you get back to your normal proram | |
| <praetor> btw, anyone here uses iinet? | |
| <praetor> i'm trying to figure out what they peer and how i can access their peered servers | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> Does whingepool have an IRC channel? | |
| <rob> I hope not.. | |
| <praetor> ftp.iinet.net.au | |
| <praetor> pretty good | |
| <praetor> unforunately they dont have ubuntu development release isos | |
| <praetorian> but they have gentoo | |
| <praetorian> good enough | |
| * merlin-linux is over the moon | |
| <merlin-linux> MOO | |
| * MistaED missies iinet | |
| <MistaED> *misses | |
| <elkbuntu> MistaED, you shoulda gone with internode | |
| <MistaED> elkbuntu: yeah maybe, but they didn't offer adsl2+ here and they're more expensive | |
| <MistaED> but i didn't know exetel were going to be lame straight after i went for them :( like p2p shaping and not enough bandwidth to sustain all of its customers | |
| <siccness> Davo_Dinkum: Yes | |
| <elkbuntu> MistaED, and no money-back guarantee to escape with? | |
| <MistaED> elkbuntu: i don't think so, probably too late for that now | |
| <siccness> 23:20 < praetorian> but they have gentoo <--rofl | |
| <Tatey> all asleep? | |
| <merlin-linux> nope | |
| * merlin-linux hacking | |
| *** ctd__ is now known as ctd | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | |
| <purserj> morning all | |
| <purserj> oh sweet zombie jesus, hows this for a shill website done badly: http://consumerist.com:8045/pspflog/www.alliwantforxmasisapsp.com/blog/default.html |
