| *** ToonArmy_ is now known as ToonArmy | |
| <tsmithe> !zynaddsubfx | |
| <ubotu> zynaddsubfx: Realtime software synthesizer for Linux. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.2.1-4 (edgy), package size 949 kB, installed size 2172 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !qsynth | |
| <ubotu> qsynth: fluidsynth MIDI sound synthesiser front-end. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.4-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 166 kB, installed size 532 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !ardour-gtk-i686 | |
| <ubotu> ardour-gtk-i686: digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface) [i686]. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.2-2build1 (edgy), package size 2223 kB, installed size 6120 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !rosegarden | |
| <ubotu> rosegarden: music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.2.4-1 (edgy), package size 3244 kB, installed size 7768 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !amsynth | |
| <ubotu> amsynth: two oscillator software synthesizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.0-3 (edgy), package size 188 kB, installed size 788 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !vkeybd | |
| <ubotu> vkeybd: Virtual MIDI Keyboard. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.1.17-3 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 164 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !ams | |
| <ubotu> ams: Realtime modular synthesizer for ALSA. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.7-5 (edgy), package size 369 kB, installed size 1480 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !om | |
| <ubotu> om: Realtime modular synthesizer using LADSPA or DSSI plugins. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 360 kB, installed size 1396 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !omins | |
| <ubotu> omins: Collection of LADSPA plugins geared at modular synthesizers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 168 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !mcp-plugins | |
| <ubotu> mcp-plugins: LADSPA plugins designed for Alsa Modular Synth. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-4 (edgy), package size 21 kB, installed size 100 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !fluidsynth | |
| <ubotu> fluidsynth: Real-time MIDI software synthesizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-5 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 108 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !dssi-plugin-fluidsynth | |
| <ubotu> dssi-plugin-fluidsynth: soundfont player/synth for DSSI. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 38 kB, installed size 172 kB | |
| <tsmithe> (not sure about the last one) | |
| <tsmithe> !csound | |
| <ubotu> csound: powerful and versatile sound synthesis software. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.23f13-1 (edgy), package size 2932 kB, installed size 7908 kB | |
| <tsmithe> !cecilia | |
| <ubotu> cecilia: graphic user interface for CSound. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.5-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1600 kB, installed size 4468 kB | |
| <tsmithe> cryedwolf, is that a good start? | |
| <chaddy> wtf? | |
| <tsmithe> he asked for synthesizers | |
| <tsmithe> so he got them | |
| <tsmithe> ;) | |
| <cryedwolf> lol tnx dude | |
| <cryedwolf> ^_^ | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <tsmithe> also have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation | |
| <tsmithe> that's a very nice start to audio on linux :) | |
| <chaddy> the principle of teaching a man to fish would have led me to answer "aptitude search synth", but if you've got the time for more, why not? | |
| <tsmithe> hehe | |
| <tsmithe> well - i wasn't sure cryedwolf knew what he was asking for | |
| <cryedwolf> ^-^ | |
| <chaddy> to be fair, aptitude search synth isn't as complete and aptitude search synthesizer is useless | |
| <cryedwolf> man im really starting 2 like linux | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <tsmithe> chaddy, indeed ;) | |
| <chaddy> tis teh nutz, cryedwolf | |
| <cryedwolf> lol windows xp i encountered the blue screen of death once to many | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <tsmithe> night all | |
| <chaddy> nn tsmithe | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <bugbot> New on planetuk: Caroline Ford: Monday (well Tuesday now) <http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/124305.html> | |
| <chaddy> I really need to stop clicking those | |
| <cryedwolf> yo any still awake? | |
| <philwyett> Morning too all that are in the land of the living. :-) | |
| *** stdin_ is now known as stdin | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <Seeker`> morning | |
| <stdin> morning all | |
| <GazzaK> morning stdin | |
| <GazzaK> can you /whois and /version me? | |
| * mrben does | |
| <stdin> GazzaK: http://pastebin.ca/353324 | |
| <GazzaK> thanks stdin | |
| <stdin> no problem | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: What are you expecting? | |
| <GazzaK> exactly that :) | |
| <Seeker`> eww...mac... | |
| <GazzaK> hehe | |
| <GazzaK> it's my new toy | |
| <GazzaK> but anyways, I better get back on with "work" | |
| <GazzaK> see ya | |
| <GazzaK> thanks btw | |
| <GazzaK> stdin, back on the uby laptop now :-) | |
| <GazzaK> see :p | |
| <stdin> yeah, :) | |
| <GazzaK> I do like OSX though | |
| <stdin> I've never actually touched a mac | |
| <jayteeuk> Morning all. | |
| <Seeker`> stdin: You aren't missing a huge amount | |
| <stdin> heh | |
| <GazzaK> well I think it's nice | |
| <GazzaK> and it'll work nice as a media center machine, without the hassle of breakage i'd get with the uby equivalent (as i'd play with it and kill it) | |
| <stdin> I'll save up for a laptop first, then I'll think about getting an old(ish) mac to have a gander at | |
| <stdin> just outta curiosity | |
| <GazzaK> I like it, OSX 10.4 is not as powerful i'd say as ubuntu, but as I only really need/want it to connect to a nice big plasma and look pretty and do dvd's and music, and maybe the odd email etc, check weather online reports etc etc, then it suits my needs | |
| <GazzaK> I like the look of it, and the graphics are super. | |
| <GazzaK> and the remote for waking it up and using front row (their media center package) is tiny and cute too | |
| <Lllama> Morning all. Is there preferred method of making python2.5 be used by default? | |
| <Seeker`> what version have you got at the moment | |
| <Seeker`> and is python 2.5 installed already? | |
| <mrben> and what's the result of ls -al `which python` | |
| <Lllama> 2.4 is installed by default (I'm on 6.10) and I've apt-get install'ed python2.5 | |
| <Lllama> /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 for the ls output. | |
| <mrben> I suspect that changing that symlink will do the trick for the majority of programs | |
| <Lllama> okay. I was wondering if there was some magic method I should be using. Some update alternatives or similar. | |
| <mrben> probably.... | |
| <Lllama> That's my problem with packages. Once I start using them I want to keep using them. | |
| <tsmithe> no | |
| <tsmithe> update-alternatives | |
| <tsmithe> maybe not | |
| <tsmithe> hum | |
| <Lllama> The forum has provided: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=315362&highlight=python+update-alternatives (hopefully). | |
| <tsmithe> i suggest an alias... | |
| <Lllama> hmm. update-alternatives seems to work (in that the default is changed) but the command line version is not working. | |
| <Lllama> No biggy I suppose. I'll try an alias. | |
| <treb0r> morning chaps | |
| <tsmithe> hiya | |
| <treb0r> I'm suffering performance problems on my p4 laptop running ubuntu. I was wondering if I should compile a custom kernel. | |
| <treb0r> whadya think? | |
| <schwuk> treb0r: what sort of performance problems? | |
| <treb0r> it seems that the longer my machine is runnig for, the less responsive it gets. particularly switching between applications etc.. | |
| <treb0r> running | |
| <Seeker`> treb0r: What applications are you running? | |
| <treb0r> just the usual stuff. evolution, firefox, OOo etc | |
| <schwuk> Or more relevant, how many applications, and how many tabs in Firefox? | |
| <Seeker`> you aren't running 5 copies of firefox with 30 tags in each are you? | |
| <treb0r> I used to use gentoo - and it ran much faster on the same machine. | |
| <Seeker`> s/tags/tabs | |
| <treb0r> I have one instance of firefox with maybe 6 tabs. I have 512mb of ram and plenty of swap | |
| <treb0r> what's the deal with the ubuntu kernel? is it worth custom compiling one, or is everything loaded as modules anyway? | |
| <Seeker`> if it gets more unresponsive as time goes on, it possibly suggests a memory leak somewhere | |
| <mrben> firefox could be the cause - it's had a few leaks in the past IIRC | |
| <jayteeuk> I'll second that mr -- I get a similar problem myself. | |
| <jayteeuk> mrben, sorry. :) | |
| <mrben> was wondering | |
| <treb0r> hmmm | |
| <mrben> thought my name was being censored for some reason... | |
| <Seeker`> treb0r: What sort of time scale are you talkig about? | |
| <jayteeuk> Heheh, mr*** :) | |
| <treb0r> days. | |
| <jayteeuk> Firefox and Thunderbird are the two usual suspects for me. | |
| <treb0r> I try to leave the machine running over night as I have backup schedules that run etc | |
| <Seeker`> try closing firefox occasionally | |
| <treb0r> It's not a massive problem or aynthinhg, I was just wondering | |
| <treb0r> I will, thanks.. | |
| <schwuk> I second Seeker`'s advice - Firefox often hogs memory | |
| <schwuk> I'd avoid a custom kernel unless you really need something the stock ones don't provide. | |
| <treb0r> ok | |
| <DaveMorris> does anyone else here have any via mini-itx boards? | |
| <rbs-tito> I plan on buying one tomake a PVR | |
| <DaveMorris> they are good for that | |
| <DaveMorris> I've got some for that reason already | |
| <rbs-tito> MythTV setups? | |
| <DaveMorris> btw you'll prob need to use Feisty as I can't get the others to work on them | |
| <DaveMorris> yep | |
| <rbs-tito> I was going to just use MythDora | |
| <DaveMorris> my backend is a P450 which can quite happliy server 2 clients | |
| <rbs-tito> My backend will also be my home file server | |
| <DaveMorris> its the kernel which dosen't wanna boot for me | |
| <DaveMorris> my home server for msic/videos is my desktop | |
| <DaveMorris> which I also use as a front end to watch TV in my room | |
| <rbs-tito> I want to make a standalone server so I can make it perfectly clear that the computer should never be turned off, then I'll build little frontends under each television | |
| <DaveMorris> only problem I had was patching and compling the openchrome driver to work with PAL on svideo | |
| <rbs-tito> I think I will just use SCART | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah thats what I'm using (kinda) the svideo comes out of my machine through a composite convertor, into my home theater then into my TV via scrart | |
| <rbs-tito> But SCART-out cards are a bitch to find. What is a 'home theatre'? | |
| <DaveMorris> to go straight to the TV I'd jst bypass the amp and go into a scart adapter, I'm thinking of building another one for my bedroom that way | |
| <DaveMorris> which board where you thinking of buying? | |
| <rbs-tito> No Idea yet, I've got a few other things to finish first | |
| <rbs-tito> I'm coding an open source media streamer for the Wii | |
| <DaveMorris> nice, I still need to get one of those | |
| <kikiwitch> I have one | |
| <kikiwitch> it's pointless | |
| <kikiwitch> you have a big ugly opera bar | |
| <kikiwitch> ruins it | |
| <DaveMorris> they really that bad? | |
| <kikiwitch> the wii rocks :) | |
| <kikiwitch> but in opera you get a big nav bar you cant hide | |
| <kikiwitch> so you cant really watch films on it | |
| <kikiwitch> I made a nice frontend with flash for a photo gallery | |
| <kikiwitch> that worked well | |
| <kikiwitch> but to be honest | |
| <kikiwitch> I just use my xbox 360 | |
| <kikiwitch> and a qindows pc | |
| <kikiwitch> im too lazy these days to spend ages doing it allon linux :) | |
| <kikiwitch> I even use windows media center now :S | |
| <DaveMorris> to go from a machine with svideo to your tv scart just use http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/57791 | |
| <DaveMorris> or one with a shorter cable would prob be better | |
| <kikiwitch> or pop into maplins | |
| <kikiwitch> :) | |
| <DaveMorris> but anyway its nice a easy, and they'll work with the onbboard grapchis of the mini-itx boards | |
| <kikiwitch> I got a new pc | |
| <jayteeuk> Does anyone know roughly how long I can expect a kernel compilation to take on a 2GHz Turion 64? | |
| <kikiwitch> it has b.l.t | |
| <jayteeuk> Bacon, lettuce and tomatoe? In a PC? | |
| <kikiwitch> blinking light technology | |
| <jayteeuk> Wow, I've got to get one of those. | |
| <GazzaK> blinky lights, wooooo | |
| <kikiwitch> I got a dual brain, 2.4 mega whoop intel | |
| <rbs-tito> Which bacon core are you running? | |
| <kikiwitch> it has 2 wigs | |
| <kikiwitch> hair holds your memory :) | |
| <jayteeuk> It might stop me adding an 'e' to tomato (or dropping the 's' from tomatoes). | |
| <kikiwitch> it has a 640wig graphics card | |
| <kikiwitch> or it has a E6600 Intel CPU (2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4Mb Cache, 1Ghz FSB) | |
| <kikiwitch> It has 2GB 800Mhz ram | |
| <kikiwitch> Dual channel | |
| <kikiwitch> it has an nvidia dual sli mother board | |
| <kikiwitch> a nvidia 8800gts graphics card | |
| <kikiwitch> and a 20" widescreen monitor | |
| <DaveMorris> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+, nVidia Corporation GeForce 7800 GTX *2 2GB RAM, and thats just one of my work machines :) I'm tempted to hook up four monitors to it (only using 2 atm) | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: If, for some reason, you get an urge to give your machine away, i'd take it off your hands | |
| <kikiwitch> Bleh | |
| <kikiwitch> AMD | |
| <kikiwitch> yuck | |
| <kikiwitch> *spits* | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: Tried the bot yet? | |
| <DaveMorris> not yet I'm afraid, I was off work yesterday and need to finsh my actual work 1st | |
| <DaveMorris> which isn't work, (stupid eyetracker!) | |
| <DaveMorris> s/work/working | |
| <GazzaK> eyetracker, cool | |
| <GazzaK> how do those work then? | |
| <kikiwitch> i wanna go home and play eve online | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: Ok | |
| <DaveMorris> there is a base station the knows where the headset is in 3 d space, and the angle that the head is at. Then there is a camera that monitors the eye, and works out where you are looking based on the distance between the coronal reflection and pupil. I then take this data (after reverse engineering the windows driver) and ray trace it from the postion in 3d space to the screen. Work out where it intercepts the screen and put a dot there | |
| <GazzaK> wwo | |
| <GazzaK> wow | |
| <GazzaK> how accurate is that then? | |
| <DaveMorris> the maths is good, just depends on the tracker | |
| <DaveMorris> I don't have much faith in it :) | |
| <DaveMorris> I need to move it from a 1 screen to tracking over 24 soon, I'll see if I can find a pic | |
| <GazzaK> so can you actually shoot laser beams yet then, just by staring | |
| <GazzaK> as my mother seems to have managed it, with out the aid of any software or hardware | |
| <GazzaK> morning PriceChild | |
| <PriceChild> hey GazzaK :) | |
| <DaveMorris> http://www.minds.may.ie/~balor/downloads/linux2006.pdf that paper about the cluster has a pic of the screens I need to get it to work on | |
| <GazzaK> wooooo | |
| <GazzaK> nice | |
| <DaveMorris> gets very hot in the winter though :/ | |
| <GazzaK> good for planet penguin I see | |
| * kikiwitch hugs GazzaK | |
| <GazzaK> hey kikiwitch | |
| <DaveMorris> might get tremulous to run on it as well :) | |
| <kikiwitch> GazzaK install linux on my new pc | |
| <kikiwitch> i can't be bothered | |
| <GazzaK> I'll install cola in it if you like? | |
| <kikiwitch> whats that | |
| <GazzaK> coke, fizzy drink | |
| <kikiwitch> let me think | |
| <kikiwitch> NO | |
| <kikiwitch> :p | |
| <GazzaK> :-P | |
| <kikiwitch> I'll carry on running Vista then :p | |
| <DaveMorris> we need a way to install ubuntu from a ssh window | |
| <DaveMorris> user sticks in the disk, and it asks do you wish to remotoly install | |
| <DaveMorris> then it spits out a random password and its Ip address | |
| <Seeker`> DaveMorris: Basically VNCviewer from the liveCD? | |
| <DaveMorris> and starts an ssh-server | |
| <DaveMorris> I was thinking more like ssh, so its more secure when doing it over the net | |
| <DaveMorris> i was thinking about doing it with the alt cd | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <chaddy> I thought one of the nice things about *nix was providing people an opportunity to learn | |
| <DaveMorris> not the desktop image, so the desktop one could be done with vnc | |
| <tsmithe> DaveMorris, debootstrap? | |
| <DaveMorris> providing dosen't = making | |
| <tsmithe> !debootstrap | |
| <Seeker`> chaddy: But if they dont know how to do installs, how d othey learn? | |
| <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In component main, is extra. Version 0.3.3.0ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 248 kB | |
| <chaddy> umm, the internet, Seeker` | |
| <DaveMorris> you need to lower the barrier to entry to get more people using the software | |
| <DaveMorris> hell, I might even buy that belkin usb software thing which allows you to transfer your stuff from XP to visita and do it for XP to ubuntu | |
| <chaddy> I'd tend to concentrate more on getting it preinstalled | |
| <DaveMorris> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/09/review_belkin_easy_transfer_cable_vista/ is that cable | |
| <DaveMorris> shouldn't be too hard to reverse enginner, as I doubt its encrypted etc | |
| *** vl_ is now known as twager | |
| <twager> Anyone tell me why my system freezes when I install the nvidia drivers..My card is a fx5500 | |
| <DaveMorris> did you install the correct drivers | |
| <DaveMorris> I think there are legacy drivers and the new ones. Not sure which ones your card neds | |
| <twager> Yes..I followed the hoto on the ubuntu forum | |
| <DaveMorris> when does it freeze on start up or after you've logged in | |
| <twager> I am currently running vec linux on a live cd which is using the same driver and seems to be ok | |
| <twager> After I have logged in | |
| <DaveMorris> is there any output in syslog or dmesg? | |
| <kikiwitch> wiiii | |
| <kikiwitch> im back | |
| <twager> No error messages at all... | |
| <chaddy> lo kikiwitch | |
| <kikiwitch> lo chavvy | |
| <kikiwitch> s/chavvy/chaddy | |
| <chaddy> tab compeletion works in here, you know ;-) | |
| <chaddy> s/pel/pl | |
| <kikiwitch> im using telnet | |
| <jayteeuk> Hard core. ;) | |
| <chaddy> coo | |
| <kikiwitch> im kidding | |
| <kikiwitch> hehe | |
| <kikiwitch> I am a hardcore girl | |
| <kikiwitch> I only use linux | |
| * kikiwitch turns off her monitor | |
| <kikiwitch> :D | |
| <chaddy> a veritable geek-goddess! | |
| <kikiwitch> wanna know something funny | |
| <kikiwitch> the more i use vista | |
| <kikiwitch> the more it reminds me of gnome | |
| <jayteeuk> I think Seeker` just fell off the net after that comment kikiwitch. :D | |
| <kikiwitch> lol | |
| <kikiwitch> Vista really really looks like gnome | |
| <jayteeuk> If I ever get around to bothering to use it, I'll find out. :) | |
| <kikiwitch> i only got it because i was buying a whole pc | |
| <kikiwitch> and ad £120 to blow | |
| <kikiwitch> s/ad/had/ | |
| <jayteeuk> You could have sent that to me. | |
| <kikiwitch> sent what? | |
| <kikiwitch> £120 ? | |
| <jayteeuk> Seriously, if you have any spare cash floating around that you don't want, I can use it. | |
| <kikiwitch> how comes? | |
| <jayteeuk> The sooner I'm debt-free, the sooner I can stop working at this hell hole and take a chance on being self-employed full time. | |
| <jayteeuk> With "only" the rent, gas, electricity, water, food, insurance, NTL, broadband, and car running expenses to cover I might actually stand a chance of stying afloat. :) | |
| <Seeker`> jayteeuk: I pressed shift + tab. Which was a mistake | |
| <jayteeuk> What does shift+tab do? Apart from kill your IRC client, apparently. | |
| <jamesbrose> good morning everyone | |
| <X3N_> good afternoon | |
| <Seeker`> jayteeuk: Makes my computer freeze. | |
| <jayteeuk> Ah. | |
| <jayteeuk> Does anyone here have any experience building a custom kernel under Ubuntu? | |
| <jayteeuk> I think it's actually built, but is failing creating the package. | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm seeing something similar to this: http://www.linuxhelpforum.com/showthread.php?t=545311 | |
| <jayteeuk> But each time I edit the control file and re-run, the name of the package changes. :S | |
| <GazzaK> oops, I was just a little rude to a user at work | |
| <jayteeuk> Naughty GazzaK. | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: oh? | |
| <GazzaK> he could not remember his password | |
| <jayteeuk> Right, lunch/nursery time. | |
| <Lllama> Hello again. It would appear that my python-central package is too old for another package that depends on it. Feisty has an updated version; can I use this and, if so, how's best to go about it? | |
| <tsmithe> prevu ? | |
| <tsmithe> !prevu | |
| <ubotu> prevu is an automated, personal backporting utility. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu for more details | |
| <Lllama> tsmithe, cheers. I'll have a look | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <DaveMorris> as anyone got a mini-itx board here | |
| <kikiwitch> no | |
| <kikiwitch> why would youwant one :) | |
| <kikiwitch> im full | |
| <gord> Im half empty | |
| <kikiwitch> eve online :) | |
| <gord> some nutter has been out driving an ice-cream van all winter, I bet he sold like three ice-creams | |
| <kikiwitch> that was me | |
| <kikiwitch> jk | |
| <medders> hi | |
| <gord> hi | |
| <kikiwitch> hi | |
| <kikiwitch> ich bin | |
| <tsmithe> ich denk | |
| <Seeker`> congrats tsmithe | |
| <tsmithe> thanks Seeker` | |
| * jayteeuk returns. | |
| <gord> there is something about spending a day away from any computers and then coming back to see your inbox swelling that makes you feel rather desolate | |
| <kikiwitch> ji jayteeuk | |
| <kikiwitch> my inbox is always swelling | |
| <jayteeuk> Howdy. :) | |
| <kikiwitch> spam has beaten me | |
| <kikiwitch> :( | |
| <kikiwitch> :'( | |
| <gord> I get tons of spam but I just catch it all so I never see it | |
| <kikiwitch> i've given up | |
| <kikiwitch> cool | |
| <kikiwitch> im watching two pigenos play | |
| <Seeker`> gord: If you get spam, but dont receive it, how do you know it exists | |
| <gord> pfft I receive it just fine, just all gets shoved into a nice (regularly cleaned out) spam folder | |
| <kikiwitch> Loading... Messages 161 to 200 of 5780 | |
| <jayteeuk> I think I do OK spam-wise. | |
| <jayteeuk> Maybe my address(es) aren't out there enough to get deluged. | |
| <jayteeuk> And I have various filters that seem to do a good job of trapping most of it. | |
| <jayteeuk> But it's a shame it's had to come to that. | |
| <medders> gmail's spam filter works pretty well for me | |
| <kikiwitch> I don't trust 3rd partys to give me mail for free :) | |
| <medders> fair enough :) | |
| <medders> I'm not sure how much I believe in their "Do No Evil" policy anymore, but they service is good | |
| <gord> I like google, its like a big scary wall that keeps closing in on microsoft. be nice if it were more open and free but hey, in the terms of keeping the wolf at the door they do a great job | |
| <jayteeuk> I think I'm more wary of Google now than I used to be, but I'm not going to stop using their services any time soon. | |
| <medders> jayteeuk: I'm exactly the same | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm not sure there was a precise point at which it happened... I think I've just gradually become less trusting of Google. | |
| <jayteeuk> But I still trust them more than I can ever see myself trusting Microsoft. | |
| <gord> Iruno if I even see what is to distrust, they help out free software projects (at a cost to them) and to be honist, apart from gmail and google.com I don't use anything else | |
| <jayteeuk> Depends if they track the terms you search for, the contents of your mail and how they use such info if they do, I suppose. | |
| <kikiwitch> I like Microsoft :) | |
| <kikiwitch> They make products that work for me | |
| <kikiwitch> I can't complaign really | |
| <jayteeuk> I dislike Microsoft. They make products that don't interoperate well with other products and try to stop me doing what I want with the computer I own. | |
| <gord> you would if you were a HD-DVD manufacturer that didn't want to conform to microsofts standards kikiwitch, you would if you were a bussiness that wanted to use a different piece of software but then got threats from microsoft, you would if you were a free software product that continually got threats of patients from microsoft | |
| <jayteeuk> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the crux of the awareness campaign I suggested on the mailing list. | |
| <kikiwitch> meh | |
| <kikiwitch> if i was a hd-dvd manufacturer that didnt want to conform | |
| <kikiwitch> then i wouldnt | |
| <kikiwitch> :p | |
| <gord> you don't conform then the DRM in windows vista automatically serverly reduces the quality of the video kikiwitch | |
| <kikiwitch> see now i read that to use bluray and fd-dvd microsoft had to agree with them to reduce the quality | |
| <kikiwitch> to ensure that the home entertainment systems sold well | |
| <kikiwitch> besides, why would i watch films on a pc ) | |
| <kikiwitch> :) | |
| <kikiwitch> I play eve online :) | |
| <gord> many reasons, for example you can output to a tv and run something like tivo (or skyplus if you know it as that) on a pc. the fact is that microsoft shouldn't be alowed to dictate what you can and can't do, but because of the seat of power they have pushed themselfs into they can get away with anything | |
| <kikiwitch> of course they should | |
| <kikiwitch> if you don't like it, use linux :) | |
| <kikiwitch> Which you do | |
| <kikiwitch> so do I | |
| <gord> umm nope, they have a virtual monopoly which means that there is no competition (in lets say, the real world of people just buying pcs and using them) which means they can do rather nasty things. this is the reason that monopolys arn't allowed, its just that microsoft have found themselfs in a position where its not an official monopoly | |
| <jayteeuk> If I pay money for a PC, I ought to be able to dictate what software it comes with, not be forced to take Windows. | |
| <medders> Try telling that to PC world | |
| <treb0r> I saw an interesting article the other day that suggested that MS would be toast if poeple had to actively CHOOSE MS products instrad of getting them preinstalled as a kind of tax. I think that's true.. | |
| <jayteeuk> Yes, medders, that's part of the problem. | |
| <medders> yup, PC world said to me that they couldn't sell PCs without an OS because it wouldn't be 'fit-for-purpose', and then when I asked about linux they said that they didn't support linux | |
| <jayteeuk> Even the people in places like PC World, who most new and inexperienced computer users look up to as "experts", mostly don't have a clue. | |
| <medders> thats true | |
| * GazzaK is banned from PC World \o/ | |
| <jayteeuk> What did you do? | |
| <jayteeuk> Make a nuisance of yourself? | |
| <jayteeuk> Hand out Ubuntu CDs? | |
| <DaveMorris> thats a plan | |
| <GazzaK> cost them sales, by pointing out the sales droids lies | |
| <jayteeuk> Or badvista.fsf.org leaflets? | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: so you build one | |
| <DaveMorris> what lies? | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: or find a supplier who sells with out an OS | |
| <jayteeuk> kikiwitch: Yes, I can, because I know about it. | |
| <kikiwitch> pc world is more evil than microsoft :) | |
| <jayteeuk> You can, because you know about it. | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: so you learn | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: like if you dont want to rely on a car mechanic, you learn | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: like if you dont want to rely on mcdonalds, you learn | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: welcome to live :) | |
| <GazzaK> jayteeuk, I'll sell you a dell pc with no OS, it will however cost 10% more than from Dell | |
| <kikiwitch> life* | |
| <jayteeuk> My Aunt Fanny, who's heard from her friend about this internet thing that she uses to keep in touch with her grandkids in South Africa, doesn't know. | |
| <jayteeuk> She goes to PC World and says "I want a computer to keep in touch with my family across the world." | |
| <jayteeuk> And they say "OK, you'll *need* Windows Vista...." | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: so she chose not to learn | |
| <jayteeuk> Which is outright lies. | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: and trusted a shop | |
| <jayteeuk> She trusted an "expert". | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: so that's pc world | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: not microsoft :) | |
| <GazzaK> DaveMorris, the normal, miss-selling, saying they need the more expensive one when even the cheapest one would do, telling them they needed Win XP Pro to do stuff WinXP home would do, that kind of thing | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: your argument is weak | |
| <gord> ahem, the fact is kikiwitch, you shouldn't have to find a supplyer that sells without an os. I don't goto my local shop and find just tesco products there, if I did there would be outrage, the competition commission would come down on them hard and huge fines would be delt out, but in the situation of operating systems for some reason we just bend over and accept it | |
| <kikiwitch> jayteeuk: and is based around people trusting highstreet shops | |
| <kikiwitch> gord: if you go to marks and spencers you find only marks and spencers food | |
| <kikiwitch> this whole argument is weak | |
| <gord> but if you goto the shop next door you'll find different stuff? | |
| <gord> if I go into every computer shop on my highstreet non of them will sell non microsoft os's on computers | |
| <kikiwitch> maybe that tells you something about what consumers are used to :) | |
| <GazzaK> time to move then gord :-) | |
| <kikiwitch> and how clever bill gates was | |
| <jayteeuk> People trust people in high street shops, who are supposed to be experts, but in fact are more concerned with getting maximum wedge for minimum effort -- which means only selling PCs with Windows on them because it's the path of least resistence and guarantees them a slice of the cash. | |
| <gord> it tells me that microsoft has adopted a position where they no longer have to compete with competition, and that is wrong in a capitalist society, the whole bedrock of a capitalist society is that companys compete for our favor, if we don't like them they fail. but in the terms of windows its more of a 'its the only one you get' situation. | |
| <jayteeuk> However... | |
| <kikiwitch> they do have to compete | |
| <kikiwitch> sony still hold the console market | |
| <kikiwitch> apple hold the ipod market | |
| <jayteeuk> I do have some sympathy with the argument that people who want to use a PC need to learn to do so and not expect it to be a device that they can just pick up and use with no training. | |
| <kikiwitch> in america apple are market leader i think | |
| <DaveMorris> maybe in hardware but not software | |
| <kikiwitch> it's not like microsoft are truly evil | |
| <gord> they don't have to compete in the pc market though kikiwitch | |
| <kikiwitch> no one says they harm the envorment | |
| <kikiwitch> no one says they make workers work for pennys | |
| <gord> greenpiece say they do ;) | |
| <kikiwitch> they just happen to have the market share of a very succesful product | |
| <jayteeuk> And how did they end up in that position? | |
| <treb0r> kikiwitch: actually, people are saying that vista could potentially harm the envionment :) http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2851 | |
| <gord> you can't come into a linux based irc channel and hope to win your argument kikiwitch ;) | |
| <kikiwitch> i don't have an argument :) | |
| <kikiwitch> I use both | |
| <kikiwitch> oh like fuck does it force you to upgrad | |
| <kikiwitch> e | |
| <kikiwitch> what bullshit | |
| <PriceChild> !ohmy | kikiwitch | |
| <GazzaK> !language | |
| <ubotu> kikiwitch: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | |
| <jayteeuk> By deliberately engineering incompatibilities into their products so that they will not interoperate with competing products, keeping their APIs closed so others don't have the benefit of competing on a level playing field. | |
| <Seeker`> kikiwitch: I'm tempted to say mind your language | |
| <kikiwitch> sorry :) | |
| <treb0r> MS are evil. They seek to hold the basic intellectual tools of the planet to ransom. | |
| <jayteeuk> And while there may be no law forcing people to upgrade, there is a certain amount of pressure to do so or risk losing support for your operating system. | |
| <kikiwitch> that's just commercial fairness | |
| <kikiwitch> you can only support your software for so long | |
| <gord> not to mention things like the new ms office having a new file format, so if one substancial business starts sending documents out in that format all the rest have to upgrade | |
| <kikiwitch> if they dropped xp support the day vista came out id agree :) | |
| <treb0r> They will end of life xp, just like they did win2k | |
| <jayteeuk> Try calling MS Support with your XP problem now. | |
| <popey> What if you want to play games? Many Directx games will be Vista only. | |
| <jayteeuk> I'll bet you they suggest upgrading to Vista. | |
| <popey> And you can bet the next version of Office after 2007 will be too | |
| <kikiwitch> Yep, I use windows to play games | |
| <popey> exactly | |
| <kikiwitch> because no one writes good games for anything else | |
| <popey> so you will be forced to upgrade if you want the new ones | |
| <kikiwitch> not microsofts fault | |
| <popey> yes it is | |
| <popey> they fund it | |
| <gord> note that these directx10 (vista only) games are not directx 10 because of it being a better api, its because microsoft openly pays them to use it instead of the older dx9 api | |
| <popey> they give money to the developers to only use directx | |
| <popey> check your facts :) | |
| <kikiwitch> everyone and their pet cat wants their own version of directx style stuff out their | |
| <gord> my cat is free software only thank you very much :P | |
| <treb0r> IMHO people become institutionalised - they come to love the prison, and are scared of what changes they face on 'the outside'. most people, particulary IT managers fear change, especially when they have a lot of time invested in the status quo. | |
| <treb0r> that's a big problem... | |
| <jayteeuk> What about OpenGL? | |
| <popey> jayteeuk: what about opengl? | |
| <jayteeuk> Why don't developers use that instead of DirectX? | |
| <kikiwitch> some do | |
| <kikiwitch> some use both | |
| <popey> which - by the way - you can't use on the vista desktop if you have Aero switched on | |
| <popey> thank you microsoft | |
| <treb0r> John Carmack for a start | |
| <jayteeuk> It's, um, open, cross-plaform. | |
| <popey> jayteeuk: but nobody pays devs to use opengl | |
| <gord> sure you can popey, it just runs though directX (which of course slows it down) | |
| <jayteeuk> Exactly my point. | |
| <popey> microsoft pays game developers to use directx | |
| <gord> not that it needs to run though directx, microsoft just though that would be a good idea (note: its not a good idea) | |
| <kikiwitch> The truth is | |
| <kikiwitch> they have created a platform where everything fits snugly together | |
| <kikiwitch> i like it | |
| <gord> lots of console games use OpenGL (not xbox 360, generally those use directX), most new linux games unfortunately use a DirectX -> opengl api converter (doom3 is an example of this). opengl 2.0 is a great api that can compete with directX on all levels but unfortunately the bickering before 2.0 came out has led to it being neglected until recently | |
| <kikiwitch> i have my likes and dislikes | |
| <kikiwitch> but in general it works | |
| <kikiwitch> it gives me what i want | |
| <kikiwitch> it makes me happy | |
| <kikiwitch> i tried gnome for work | |
| <kikiwitch> it didnt integrate well enough with everything and give me a working enviroment | |
| <kikiwitch> i tried some games for it | |
| <kikiwitch> they were all old or crap | |
| <kikiwitch> microsoft may pay people to use their stuff | |
| <kikiwitch> but they give the consumer what they want | |
| <treb0r> kikiwitch: just stick with Bill, he has your best interests at heart. | |
| <kikiwitch> no he doesnt | |
| <kikiwitch> :p | |
| <gord> they don't give the consumer what they want, they don't have to. they give them what microsoft wants them to want. if they gave the consumer what they want something like itunes wouldn't be as popular as it is | |
| <kikiwitch> only one thing presently really annoys me about windows | |
| <kikiwitch> and it's windows and xbox and media center and media extender | |
| <kikiwitch> and it really annoys me | |
| <vyoman> i don't mind what people use to play games or type letter - however it does annoy me that part of our tax payers money is spend on it in gov and schools | |
| <kikiwitch> wmv and mpeg2 only! | |
| <kikiwitch> and it annoys the hell out of me | |
| <treb0r> vyoman: excatly. it's like teaching kids to only read books by one publisher. it's an outrage | |
| <kikiwitch> and guess what | |
| <gord> write to your mp vyoman :) | |
| <vyoman> treb0r: +1 | |
| <kikiwitch> because i dont have a nice pc running linux downstairs | |
| <kikiwitch> i now convert all my video to mpeg2 | |
| <kikiwitch> that annoys me | |
| <treb0r> and how much of the NHS budget has gone on software licenses? | |
| <jayteeuk> I dread to think. | |
| <treb0r> our government are one of the biggest, if not *the* biggest ms customers in the world. they are also one of the least technical. brown and blair love to schmooze bill at every opportunity. corrupt. | |
| * popey tires of the troll | |
| * treb0r was just getting warmed up :) | |
| <popey> why on earth would someone come into an ubuntu channel just to say how great windows is. very tiresom | |
| <kikiwitch> ubuntu rocks | |
| <treb0r> I know, let's talk about emacs again :) | |
| <kikiwitch> vim! | |
| <jayteeuk> I agree, but it's exactly the kind of argument we need to win convincingly if much is going to change. | |
| <popey> no it isn | |
| * treb0r goes off to join #vi | |
| <kikiwitch> yes it is | |
| <popey> kikiwitch has said nothing new | |
| <popey> we all know this | |
| <jayteeuk> No, I agree. | |
| <kikiwitch> Convinve me that I should turn away from things I like | |
| <jayteeuk> But the sad fact is that too many people believe it. | |
| <kikiwitch> because they are wrong | |
| <kikiwitch> convince me :) | |
| <popey> kikiwitch: no, because you are just trolling again | |
| <kikiwitch> convince me that i should switch to something that doesnt let me open files from network shares easily | |
| <jayteeuk> Excuse me? | |
| <popey> kikiwitch: stop | |
| <kikiwitch> I love linux :) | |
| <popey> jayteeuk: dont | |
| <kikiwitch> I love apache | |
| <popey> kikiwitch: keep this up and you'll get kicked | |
| <kikiwitch> and i love apt-get | |
| <kikiwitch> and i love firefox | |
| <kikiwitch> and i love thunderbird | |
| <kikiwitch> and i love so much of it | |
| <kikiwitch> and it fits into my life very well | |
| <popey> you sound like the german soldier in "Saving private ryan" | |
| <kikiwitch> not seen it | |
| <popey> " oh say can you see" "I love america" "fsck hitler" | |
| <popey> to try to get onside | |
| <kikiwitch> i don't see why you can't accept that i have room for both in my life | |
| <jayteeuk> Excell | |
| <popey> I dont care to be honest kikiwitch | |
| <jayteeuk> (Sorry, wrong window) | |
| <popey> you have made your choices | |
| <kikiwitch> then go idle until a topic that interests you appears | |
| <popey> but you dont need to come in here to tell us how great windows is | |
| <popey> you *really* dont | |
| <kikiwitch> has anyone used any open source http load balancers? | |
| <X3N_> we've got two new ubuntu-uk team members since saturday | |
| <X3N_> kikiwitch: yes | |
| *** X3N_ is now known as X3N | |
| <kikiwitch> X3N: which one? | |
| <X3N> Pound | |
| <kikiwitch> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh | |
| <kikiwitch> reverse proxy too | |
| <Seeker`> kikiwitch: mod-jk seems to work ok | |
| <kikiwitch> isnt that a java connector? | |
| <kikiwitch> X3N: I shall play with that, thank you | |
| <treb0r> X3N: how does one go about becoming a team member? what skills are you looking for? | |
| <X3N> it's an open team, so it's not quite like that | |
| <treb0r> hmmm | |
| <X3N> it's more of a thing to put your name down on and say "i'm a memeber of ubuntu-uk" to make it a bit more official | |
| <X3N> have you ever used launchpad treb0r ? | |
| <treb0r> I made myself an account, and signed the code of conduct a few weeks ago... | |
| <X3N> ah right, this is ubuntu-uk's bit on launchpad https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk | |
| <jayteeuk> Who are the new members X3N? | |
| <X3N> Dan (danser) and Stephen morrish | |
| <jayteeuk> Ah, I've noticed mails on the list from Stephen Morrish. | |
| <treb0r> I joined too! :) | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: you shouldn't tell people that. You tell them the membership requirement is £100 in your bank account :P | |
| <X3N> haha | |
| <popey> ooooo 126 feisty updates today | |
| <tsmithe> woo /me got membership and is making it known | |
| <medders> ubuntu membership? | |
| <medders> or ubuntu-uk membership? ;) | |
| * popey suspects ubuntu membership | |
| <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | |
| <popey> given the cc meeting was at 12 today | |
| <medders> seems an odd time to have the CC meeting | |
| <popey> congrats tsmithe | |
| <tsmithe> thanks :) | |
| <tsmithe> yes it was ubuntu membership :) | |
| <tsmithe> am i the youngest member, you think? | |
| <medders> well done tsmithe :D | |
| <tsmithe> :D | |
| <medders> now you can get the new users to bow down to you on planet :) | |
| <tsmithe> medders, indeed :) | |
| * Seeker` wonders why Gazzaks quit message is "tsu" (as far as i can work out) | |
| <tsmithe> it's not | |
| <tsmithe> it's a japanese character that looks like a smiley face | |
| <popey> ツ | |
| <popey> \o/ smiley | |
| <popey> :þ | |
| <popey> \o/ UTF-8 | |
| <Seeker`> tsmithe: A japanese character that translates as "tsu" | |
| <tsmithe> ツツツ | |
| <tsmithe> Seeker`, yes. but in *english* it's a smiley | |
| <tsmithe> ;) | |
| <tsmithe> :ø | |
| <AdamBagnall> ツツ | |
| <schwuk> Hmm, My sound no longer works on my Thinkpad running Fiesty. | |
| <X3N> that's a new feature | |
| <tsmithe> schwuk, file a bug | |
| <tsmithe> follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems | |
| <tsmithe> and when did the regression take place? | |
| <schwuk> tsmithe: trouble is I'm sure it worked until I rebooted earlier. Could be wrong though. | |
| <medders> did you do an update though? | |
| * jayteeuk sighs. | |
| * tsmithe hugs jayteeuk | |
| <tsmithe> whassup? | |
| <jayteeuk> I really need to get a half-decent multi-function. | |
| <schwuk> medders: yep - 126-odd packages today | |
| <medders> schwuk: It was probably in that update then | |
| <jayteeuk> Damn nozzles have clogged in my fax/copier it's been so long since I used it, and my laser printer doesn't have the memory to print the image I'm trying to copy. | |
| <Seeker`> hometime :D | |
| <jayteeuk> Hometime. :) | |
| * jayteeuk heads off downstairs. | |
| <jayteeuk> Might be around later. | |
| <Spudulike> Hi room. I have a 'fatally' corrupted filesystem on my desktop machine that runs Dapper. I am being asked for the root password so I can go and fix it but, being Ubuntu, I don't have one. What do I do next? | |
| <popey> is this booting off the hard disk it asks you for root password? | |
| <popey> can you boot of a linux cd and then run fsck against your hard disk partition? | |
| <Spudulike> It is trying to boot off the hard disk, yes. Alas, the desktop machine is the one with the burner and I have no CD to hand. | |
| <popey> can you boot to the grub prompt, press escape and choose recovery mode? | |
| <popey> will that boot to a root prompt? | |
| <Spudulike> No, "Recovery Mode" also asks for the root password. | |
| <popey> is this a laptop? | |
| <Spudulike> "Root password of Ctrl - D to continue" it says. The control-D doesn't get me very far though, it seems to find some bad sectors or somesuch and locks up. | |
| <Spudulike> No, desktop machine. | |
| <popey> can you put the hard disk from the boken machine in the working machine? | |
| <popey> so you then have access to the cdrom? | |
| <popey> does the other machine run linux also? | |
| <Spudulike> I can go and get a bootable CD eventually, but it does seem to be more hassle that needed if I had set a root password. Maybe this is another argument for doinf away with SUDO ? | |
| <Spudulike> Maybe better expressed as having three layers of user, User, SuDo user for admin, and proper root this this type of situation ? | |
| <popey> well | |
| <popey> the problem is that your disk possibly has some corruption - this isnt a common event, and as such you need to fix it | |
| <popey> there are at least two options I have suggested which would enable you to do the analysis, booting from cd, and putting the hard disk in another computer | |
| <Spudulike> Thanks for your help popey. | |
| <popey> np, its awful when that happens | |
| <popey> my brothers ubuntu computer did this, I ended up getting him to take the disk out and post it to me because he lives miles away | |
| <Spudulike> So it's not that 'uncommon' an event then? | |
| <popey> hah | |
| <Spudulike> ;-) | |
| <popey> he turned it off whilst it was doing an update | |
| <popey> :S | |
| <popey> he doesnt do that any more, and it has not happened since | |
| <AdamBagnall> I know it's a couple of months away, but are there any plans for an Ubuntu-UK Feisty release party? | |
| <rbs-tito> adamBagnall: Your house? | |
| <Seeker`> rbs-tito: sounds good :P | |
| <AdamBagnall> Erk no, I might not even still be here then, bloody landlord selling the house | |
| <Seeker`> AdamBagnall: Wont that interfere with your placement? | |
| <rbs-tito> Your new house then. You need a venue, you've practically invited us now. | |
| <AdamBagnall> It's a pain in the arse for my placement. It's almost impossible to find somewhere with less than 6months contract, but I have less then 6months left | |
| <Seeker`> dont you have a contract for the full year? | |
| <AdamBagnall> Yeah, but there's a clause in the contract where the landlord can give us 2 months notice :-( | |
| <Seeker`> has he done so? | |
| <AdamBagnall> Not yet, but the letting agency has said that we'll get 2 months notice as of when the house is sale agreed, which is even worse because there's a possibility I might not need to find somewhere else. | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <AdamBagnall> Ah well, I'll worry about it when I know for sure what's happening. | |
| <Seeker`> when is your placement due to end? | |
| <AdamBagnall> July sometime | |
| <PriceChild> Bah where's loudmouthman... :P | |
| <popey> mail him? | |
| <tsmithe> @lart fat PriceChild | |
| <tsmithe> ???????? | |
| <tsmithe> stupid bugbot | |
| <PriceChild> /cs kb PriceChild | |
| <tsmithe> hehe | |
| <mdke> popey: screencast meeting go ok? | |
| <popey> yeah, very | |
| <mdke> cool. Got a summary somewhere? | |
| <popey> not yet | |
| <popey> been ill all night and most of the day | |
| <popey> will do though | |
| <mdke> popey: nothing serious I hope | |
| <popey> nah, just 24 hour bug thing | |
| <popey> not nice, not fatal :) | |
| <mdke> ok, gbs | |
| <popey> ta | |
| <popey> howd the flat stuff go? | |
| <mdke> fine yeah, still haven't found any furniture | |
| <mdke> some time though | |
| <Seeker`> mdke: You moved? | |
| <mdke> not yet, got a couple of weeks overlap | |
| <Seeker`> moving far? | |
| <mdke> no, quite close | |
| <mdke> fortunately | |
| <Seeker`> whereabouts do you live? | |
| <mdke> Rotherhithe, South East London | |
| <Seeker`> i've not really been that far east in london before | |
| <popey> thats almost kent isnt it? | |
| <mdke> it's only a half hour walk to tower bridge | |
| <mdke> :) | |
| <popey> blimey | |
| <popey> you londoners and your crazy modes of transport | |
| <popey> walking indeed | |
| <mdke> well, 15 minutes by bus or tube then | |
| <mdke> west of the greenwich mean line anyway :) | |
| <Seeker`> I dont often go further east than st pauls or liverpool street | |
| <mdke> man I get a lot of well targetted spam nowadays | |
| <mdke> a lot of spam has subjects like "Please help with my $linuxrelatedproblem", then the body is all about trading or viagra :( | |
| <Seeker`> :( | |
| <mdke> I also get "check out my $linuxdocumentation" | |
| <mdke> meh | |
| <popey> i recently implemented grelisting | |
| <popey> *greylisting | |
| <popey> along with mailscanner this has cut the amount of spam in my inbox to almost nil | |
| <mdke> SA tends to do a good job for me | |
| <popey> yeah, ditto | |
| <popey> but before greylisting sa/ms was still deliverying ~50 spam to my inbox, and identifying ~250-300 spams a day | |
| <mdke> ah, it's a lot better than that for me | |
| <popey> now because greylisting happens before the mail gets delivered I get maybe 5 in my inbox and around 30 spam | |
| <Seeker`> popey: How does greylisting work | |
| <Seeker`> meh, I cant be bothered to type. Someone should implement autocomplete for sentances. | |
| <popey> at smtp time, when the mail is being delivered to yourt server the grelisting looks at the sender, recipient and the IP it came from | |
| <Jac1> can anyone help me? I'm trying to boot Ubunto onto an old PC (used to run 98) , but it just won't boot from the CD Drive, it tries to boot windows, even though it is no longer on the system (the Boot sequence is set to CDROM drive first) | |
| <mdke> Seeker`: you're all about automating :) | |
| <mdke> Jac1: does the cd work with another computer? | |
| <Seeker`> mdke: Yep :D | |
| <popey> if it has not seen that triplet before it puts it in a list and then tells the sending server to retry later | |
| <popey> which it does | |
| <popey> most spam senders do not | |
| <Seeker`> cool | |
| <popey> so legitimate mail gets through a few mins later, spam just doesnt | |
| <mdke> sounds good | |
| <Jac1> mdke: yes it does | |
| <mdke> Jac1: odd. Fraid I can't help any further | |
| <Jac1> kk, ty anyway | |
| <popey> Jac1: you might want to log a support request? | |
| <Seeker`> mdke: Is automation bad? | |
| <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+tickets | |
| <Jac1> ah, thanks | |
| <mdke> Seeker`: well, that depends | |
| <Seeker`> mdke: On? | |
| <mdke> Seeker`: on what you are automating, obviously | |
| <Owdgit> jacl: Did u burn the CD? | |
| <Seeker`> mmm...good cider | |
| <Jac1> owdgit: did i burn the cd? | |
| <Jac1> yes i did, it works find on my XP machine | |
| <rbs-tito> Are there any issues with any Intel CPUs oN ubuntu? | |
| <Seeker`> Jac1: How old is the computer? and can you boot from any other CDs? | |
| <Owdgit> Jacl: Same problem! Solution get pressed CD from shipit if you have 128+MB of RAM | |
| <Seeker`> mdke: You one of the people up for CC membership? | |
| <mdke> Seeker`: yep | |
| <Owdgit> If not visit Linux Emporium and purchase Alternate CD, £2 + £2 p&p. Worked for me! HTH | |
| <Jac1> i have ordered 10 CD's but they will take a while | |
| <Seeker`> mdke: Cool., Good luck | |
| <mdke> Seeker`: :) | |
| <Jac1> BTW I only have 32mb of ram (OLD OLD OLD PC) | |
| <popey> whats the process for that mdke ? | |
| <mdke> popey: I don't know much about it; seems that we are competing for places :( | |
| <mdke> I had no idea about that | |
| * Seeker` thinks a fight to the death would be the fair way to do it | |
| <Owdgit> Jacl: The shipit CD's are live and need 128MB min. The alternate CD needs 64MB min. | |
| <Jac1> lol, looks like i need to upgrade my RAM then :P | |
| <Jac1> I'm sure I'll be able to scrounge some of my IT teacher at school :P | |
| <mdke> popey: ubuntumembers vote on the candidates | |
| <popey> oh? :) | |
| <popey> url? | |
| <popey> i am aware of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls | |
| <mdke> hasn't started yet I guess. There will be an announcement no doubt | |
| <popey> that, poll, buty not of the cc one | |
| * mdke blinks | |
| <mdke> cryptic stuff | |
| * Seeker` would vote for mdke, but he isn't a member | |
| * mdke hugs Seeker` | |
| * popey will of course evaluate the competition first before making such a rash decision ;) | |
| <mdke> problem with competing is that people will vote for who they know to a certain extent | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <mdke> it's a bit of a shame | |
| <X3N> didn't know about the poll feature | |
| <X3N> maybe we could make use of that | |
| <Seeker`> X3N: First poll. Should gazzak be team mascot. And, if so, what do we dress him as? | |
| <X3N> big bird ! | |
| <Seeker`> oooh, good idea | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Evening all . | |
| <Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan | |
| <Seeker`> hows it going? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey Seeker` how goes it ? | |
| <Seeker`> not too bad, long day at work | |
| <LoudMouthMan> eeep ! everyones had bad day today by all accounts then | |
| <X3N> hmm this seems broked | |
| <X3N> "This poll does not yet have any voting options. Please add an option. Note, you need more than one option for a real poll, of course :-)" | |
| <X3N> "You can’t add new options because the poll is already open." | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wb Mr Backnell | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Bagnall even ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wow never type and answer questions ! | |
| <X3N> great you can't delete the poll either | |
| <AdamBagnall> Poll? where, what? | |
| <X3N> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/converts | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: I never said it was bad | |
| * X3N wonders about going to bother #launchpad | |
| <LoudMouthMan> long days , not to bad days .. just everyone I speak to today has not said .. great! heheeh | |
| <X3N> i had a crappy day | |
| * LoudMouthMan watches Numbers . and had a great day . | |
| <constrictor> hello | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hello constrictor | |
| <jayteeuk> Evening all. | |
| <constrictor> evening jayteeuk | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm going to get this flaming kernel packaged and installed if it kills me. :) | |
| * jayteeuk tries to remember the last time he built a kernel. | |
| <jayteeuk> I think the last one I built was 2.2.36! Debian has spoiled me the last few years. | |
| <Seeker`> the last time i built a kernel was may 2006 | |
| <Seeker`> or was it april | |
| * popey stopped building his own kernels when he switched from debian to ubuntu | |
| <Seeker`> popey: ditto | |
| <jayteeuk> But I'm determined to get my laptop fully working and track down whatever's preventing it from doing so. | |
| <popey> tempted to when my DVB-T card didnt work, but decided to just wait for the next release | |
| <popey> what isnt working jayteeuk ? | |
| <jayteeuk> APIC generally, seems to be the concensus. | |
| <popey> what laptop? | |
| <jayteeuk> Acer Ferrair 40005WLMi. | |
| <popey> have you filed a bug? | |
| <jayteeuk> s/Ferrair/Ferrari | |
| <jayteeuk> Yes. | |
| <popey> bug number? | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm attempting the build in order to feed into the bug reports. | |
| <popey> feed them! feed them now!! | |
| <jayteeuk> :D | |
| <jayteeuk> Erm, not sure what bug numbers off the top of my head. | |
| <jayteeuk> I think they're all tagged acer though. :) | |
| <popey> whats your launchpad id? | |
| <popey> I can find them through that | |
| <sorush20> hi | |
| <sorush20> I'm here about something other then ubuntu | |
| <popey> uh-oh | |
| <jayteeuk> Symptoms are "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" repeatedly in dmesg; bcm43xx wi-fi, battery status, AC adapter status, hibernate/suspend/resume and IEEE1394 not working. | |
| <DaveMorris> whats an easy way to see the kernel thats running? | |
| <jayteeuk> uname -r I think. | |
| <popey> DaveMorris: uname -a | |
| <popey> uname -r gives the short name - version number only | |
| <jayteeuk> Where -a gives everything. | |
| <popey> 2.6.16.19islay2xenu | |
| <DaveMorris> cheers | |
| <popey> exec -o uname -a | |
| <popey> gah | |
| <popey> Linux bishop.popey.com 2.6.16.19islay2xenu #1 Sun Aug 6 04:16:43 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux | |
| <popey> there, like that | |
| <DaveMorris> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/84888 I'm trying to work out the problem with this | |
| <bugbot> Malone bug 84888 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Dapper server install fails to boot on VIA EPIA 5000" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | |
| <Seeker`> sorush20: what are you here about? | |
| <DaveMorris> I'm thinking that maybe the kernel been isntalled isn't a generic 386 kernel but a i686 or something | |
| <popey> DaveMorris: does it have ubuntu on it right now? | |
| <DaveMorris> nope | |
| <popey> can you boot to a live cd and mount the hard disk partition? | |
| <popey> oh :( | |
| <popey> dappr installs -386 kernel by default iirc | |
| <DaveMorris> that may not be the problem then. | |
| <popey> does it have to be dapper? | |
| <popey> not edgy ? | |
| <DaveMorris> I'm pretty sure that these epia board cpus are basically the same as a cut down P2 without the 3d now and something else | |
| <DaveMorris> was for a server with xen | |
| <popey> so? :) | |
| <DaveMorris> but same problem with edgy | |
| <popey> edgy wioll do that | |
| <popey> oh ok | |
| <DaveMorris> although feisty works | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <sorush20> Seeker`: where do I buy bulk fruit like carrots and etc? | |
| <sorush20> london kingston | |
| <popey> heheh | |
| <popey> DaveMorris: install dapper, get the config- out of /boot and do the same for feisty, see what the difference is between them? | |
| <popey> could be some VIA changes have been made - modules enabled/ disabled? | |
| <popey> actually, I could do that fir you :) | |
| <popey> I have a feisty VM and a dapper VM, but not server installs | |
| <DaveMorris> I have dapper installed on another machine | |
| <popey> but hang on, you said you used the ubiquity? that means you are using the desktop cd? | |
| <Seeker`> sorush20: Sorry, dont know much about vegetables. Sounds too much like health food | |
| <DaveMorris> I failed it under the wrong thing then | |
| <popey> you installing from a server cd? | |
| <DaveMorris> yes | |
| <popey> isnt there a server kernel? | |
| <popey> yes, there is | |
| <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all | |
| <popey> you could install dapper, then see what kernel you get? | |
| <DaveMorris> 2.6.15-26-server is the one I have on my other dapper server | |
| <DaveMorris> but I guess I could try installing a desktop image and see if that works | |
| <jayteeuk> OK, I'm following the tutorial here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild | |
| <jayteeuk> I'm fairly certain the kernel is built OK. But each time I run the AUTOBUILD=1 ... flavours=k8 command, a different id seems to get tagged onto the end of the kernel package name that it's trying to create and it drops out with, for example, "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-headers-2.6.17-11-cfc not in control info" | |
| <jayteeuk> That cfc has been f44, 9e2, 13f, 9ce, 2da previously. | |
| <jayteeuk> And each time I edit the control file to add the new suffix, the suffix changes and the build fails because the new suffix isn't in the control file. | |
| <jayteeuk> Is it some kind of checksum or something? A timestamp? | |
| <DaveMorris> is there a page anywhere which tells you what packages bugs belong in? Such as the alternate cd package etc |