<ryanakca> lophyte: nevermind... I'll get him to pick it up some other day

* ryanakca beds... bloody flu

<daveyarusso> sfllaw, ping - wvdial question

<daveyarusso> sfllaw, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-ppp/+bug/84837

<daveyarusso> I'll watch the comments on that; should be going soon.

<marmer> hy all

<marmer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5550/

<marmer> i' coping a dvd

<marmer> this is the detail,

<marmer> is it wrong

<marmer> does it work correctly

<lophyte> hey all

<lophyte> jamonation: ping

<lophyte> PFA: shouldn't you be at school? ;)

<PFA> no.

<PFA> it's a long story.

<lophyte> lol

<dennister> hi all, anyone awake?

<lophyte> yup.. hiya :)

<dennister> hey :)

<lophyte> how goes the move?

<dennister> still hell with my connectivity :(

<dennister> i need to buy another pppoe. dsl router quick, any suggestions?

<lophyte> anything linksys :)

<lophyte> do you need wireless?

<dennister> yeah...i was thinking that would work...this ovislink brand-new modem/router is defective, I'm sure

<dennister> no, don't want wireless

<dennister> thing is, i don't want to wait another 3 biz days to send it to them, have them check it, and send another

<dennister> i want it today! lol...causee without a working modem i don't have phone, either

<lophyte> oh, a modem

<dennister> know anyone with a car?

<lophyte> don't know where you can get a modem

<lophyte> a router, sure.. not a modem though

<dennister> canada computers has modems

<lophyte> they do? huh, I didn't know that..

<lophyte> no car either

<dennister> i was willing to pay $50-60 for someone to drive me to markham and back...but that's almost another modem/router anyway

<lophyte> why do you need to go to markham?

<dennister> can you do me a favour? call coop cab @416-504-4016 and find out how much that round trip costs?

<dennister> i was outside at a pay phone for 5 minutes and my hands in gloves almost froze

<dennister> the ovislink office is in markham

<dennister> i'm desperate here :( tearing my hair out...can't wait another day...let alone 3

<dennister> if you don't want to make the call to a cab company, that's ok...i understand

<lophyte> I don't have a phone handy, actually

<lophyte> I'm not at home at the moment

<lophyte> sorry

<dennister> k...i understand...this is the main problem: i don't have a phone, feel totally helpless

<PFA> i hate being canadian.

<PFA> if i ever do anything awesome or important or influential in my life, i will forevermore be known as "a canadian [CEO/author/actress/singer-songwriter/astronaut/princess/ballerina/fireman/pony]"

<dennister> wait...just because a product says it's a cable/dsl router, that doesn't mean it's a modem, too, does it?

<ejer> dennister: I had an ovislink for a while

<ejer> gave me plenty of trouble

<ejer> have you ever had it working?

<dennister> ejer: nope, and that's the problem, I jsut got it and it's defective

<ejer> hmm

<ejer> you do know there is a built-in router right?

<ejer> you know the model #

<dennister> yes, but I can't access the main interface...nor can i ping it...host unreachable...it's a ov-504r

<dennister> with the 4-port router...and i know routers

<dennister> did you ever get it working? or did u give up? what kind of replacement should i get?

<ejer> I had it working

<ejer> I turned of fthe router and bridged the ppp direct to my gateway

<ejer> ie: turned it into a bridge

<ejer> mine was only one port

<ejer> ssystem requirements for 0v-504r: WIN9X WIN2000 WINXP WINME WINNT

<ejer> that is your problem

<ejer> those fools

<dennister> and whatever happened to it?...ur talking past tense...no, it's not working under my windows drive, either

<dennister> tried that already

<ejer> I got rid of it since DSL sucks compared to cable here

<ejer> I was kidding about the windows thing

<dennister> lol...bit too frantic right now to appreciate the joke

<ejer> ya

<ejer> are you getting an IP from it?

<dennister> i need a taxi or driver to take me from annex to markham today, to replace the modem

<dennister> yes, i am getting an ip, but that's it

<ejer> well that is a good sign

<dennister> no data will go through tho...and I can't even access the main interface to input/configure my service to it

<ejer> hhmm

<ejer> is your routing right?

<dennister> i'm willing to pay up to $60 for the round trip to markham, if i can get it done today

<ejer> I mean if dhcp is working...

<ejer> it seems the problem may lie elsewhere

<ejer> ii am in montreal or else I would take you for $60 :)

<PFA> dennister: $60 to markham? where are you?

<dennister> why can't i access the router software/main interface then, by typing in the 192.168...into my browser

<dennister> i'm in the annex...near the linux caffe

<ejer> well, you could have lots of possible problems

<PFA> oooooh... i mean where do you live though... heh

<PFA> well would it cost that much to get into markham? :S i mean you can take the subway and almost be there can't you?

<PFA> sorry im directionally challenged

<ejer> I would x2 check all cabling etc... or x4 check if necessary

<ejer> route -n

<dennister> no...i would have to take the ttc to union station, then go train to markham, then cab to the office...would cost about the same and a lot more time than a driver/cab

<lophyte> dennister: are you getting an IP?

<ejer> yes he is

<lophyte> she*

<lophyte> :P

<dennister> ejer: i have done sooooooooo much troubleshooting already...yes, i get an ip, but that's it...can't access teh router software

<ejer> I would configure everything static

<ejer> she sorry :)

<lophyte> hm

<lophyte> yeah I always go static

<dennister> heck, i'm even paying my isp provider for a static...but that's not my problem

<ejer> config your gateway especially

<lophyte> no, a static LAN IP

<ejer> no, internal static address

<ejer> 192.168.1.2

<dennister> nothing will work at all if the dsl modem is garbage

<ejer> you don't know it is screwed until you get rid of common problems like routing issues

<dennister> tried 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.5...

<ejer> 1192.168.1.1 is the router address so you can't use that

<lophyte> is it just a modem, or is it a modem/router/switch?

<ejer> 4 port router/modem

<lophyte> ah

<dennister> adsl modem/router

<lophyte> what's the router's default IP?

<ejer> 1.1

<dennister> but that router address is exactly what i need to access, but can't, and that's the problem

<dennister> 1.1

<ejer> http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:c3JV0TcVPf4J:www.ovislink.ca/ADSL/7a3d/OV504R-TI-UMv0815.PDF+ov-504r&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

<ejer> dennister: you need to set the IP manually in your OS to 192.168.1.2, your default gateway to 192.168.1.1

<lophyte> and you tried configuring your network settings on your PC manually?

<ejer> then try and get to the page

<dennister> i've got that manual here,

<dennister> lophyte: yes, i tried configuring my network settings manually

<lophyte> hm

<dennister> still couldn't get the page

<dennister> that's why i have to go to markham to exchange the modem

<dennister> an ip is ALL i'm getting from the modem/router...no joy for anything else...no signal coming through or being sent

<ejer> and what gateway is dhcp setting for you?

<lophyte> what IP does the router give you when you set it to DHCP?

<ejer> if it is wrong, that is your problem

<ejer> route -n

<lophyte> I'm wondering if the modem isn't using factory defaults

<lophyte> and its IP is actually 2.1 or something

<ejer> you can reset it to default using reset switch

<dennister> i forget those settings/numbers...it changes every time i try again, and obviously i have my rogers ip address now

<ejer> but who cares, as long as it gives you IP in same range

<dennister> yes, i have tried the factory defaults with the reset...no joy

<ejer> dennister: how do you have your rogers IP????

<ejer> you would only have that if you changed to bridged PPPOE mode

<ejer> and disabled the routing functions

<lophyte> rogers isn't pppoe

<ejer> so she is using a DSL modem to connect to cable?

<lophyte> she's not trying to set up rogers

<ejer> I don't get it

<dennister> when i moved just over a week ago, i had rogers hi-speed, and because i knew i wouldn't have phone or the dsl signals for a few days, the rogers moved with me...i'm trying to migrate from cable broadband to dsl broadband

<lophyte> rogers is her old ISP, she's trying to set up her new ISP

<ejer> hehe

<ejer> on the same modem?

<lophyte> no :P

<ejer> or on the same computer?

<lophyte> she's getting rid of rogers.

<dennister> exactly...i want to junk my rogers account, but can't until my dsl is working

<ejer> cause then she has 2 dhcp servers battling

<lophyte> not really

<dennister> ejer: not to worry

<lophyte> not if the cable modem is unplugged

<lophyte> :P

<dennister> i have 2 onboard nics

<ejer> hehe

<ejer> you are making it tough on yourself

<dennister> and every time i try to get the dsl modem working, i unplug all the rogers and release the ip

<ejer> work with one router at a time IMO

<dennister> you don't get it:

<dennister> i am doing that

<ejer> unless you can check the routing table is flushed

<ejer> or you reboot

<ejer> this is gonna cause trouble

<dennister> but since the dsl modem is junk, i keep having to go back to the cable, or i'd have no communication whatsoever

<dennister> i do flush...reboot, etc.

<ejer> just tryin to save you some bucks... sounds like the router is working, but there is a problem elsewhere... as it says in the troubleshooting section of your manual

<dennister> here: i have to battle the cold to go use a payphone to call cabs and see the cost of going to markham

<dennister> i know, but just because the dsl modem is giving me an ip, it doesn't mean it's working

<ejer> well, kinda ;)

<dennister> it's the non-working modem that's the bottleneck, and stopping all traffic to my pc and my voip phone

<ejer> are you using a crossover cable?

<ejer> and is the LAN light lit up

<dennister> no, no crossover...what do u mean, 'kinda'?

<ejer> Check your network cable for connecting the Modem with other device: For PC, you should use the crossover cable; For Hub/Switch, you should use straight through cable.

<ejer> kinda meaning if you get an IP, it kinda means the router is working

<ejer> and cabling, TCP/IP or something else is at play

<ejer> sso probably cause you are not using a crossover if you are plugging straight into NIC

<dennister> k i have no idea what kinds of ethernet cables i've got here...think they're all the same?

<ejer> there are 2 different types

<ejer> ccrossovers are often yellow

<dennister> how do u tell the difference?

<ejer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable

<dennister> k then...not yellow, straight-thru is what i've got tons of here

<ejer> this would explain it I think

<ejer> do you have a hub or switch you could plug through?

<dennister> nope, not that i know of

<ejer> the cable that came with the modem may be a crossover

<ejer> if it came with 2

<lophyte> you use straight-through with a router

<lophyte> crossover is PC-to-PC

<ejer> rread the manual

<ejer> it is very clear

<dennister> k...will re-read, since i can't seem to get a ride/cab after all

<ejer> Question: Why LAN LED is not lighting. Answer: Check the connection between the ADSL modem and your computer or Hub/Switch Check your PC or Hub/Switch running status and make sure them are working normally. Check your network cable for connecting the Modem with other device: For PC, you should use the crossover cable; For Hub/Switch, you should use straight through cable.

<dennister> need a cig now...bbs

<dennister> and btw...in my manual, there is no mention of crossover, and i checked all the connections a million times

<ejer> down at the bottom

<ejer> in troubleshooting

<ejer> anyways, always need a crossover when using these integrated router/modems in my experience

<dennister> brrrrrrr it's cold out there...even in my sheltered smoki g spot

<dennister> well, don't have a crossover that i know of

<dennister> checked the online version of the modem manual...no mention of 'crossover' it's identical to my paper manual

<lophyte> if you're getting an IP then the cabling is fine IMO

<dennister> and my lan led light is working...no data light tho, nor an activity light at the back of my pc on the rj45 port

<lophyte> that is, if the modem's DHCP server is giving you an IP

<dennister> just the orange light

<dennister> which is the speed/led

<ejer> there are 2 models of this router

<ejer> one with broadcom chipset

<ejer> one with TI

<dennister> i've got the broadcom model

<ejer> IP range is actually 192.168.1.3 - 192.168.1.253

<ejer> broadcom has autosensing ports so does not need x-over

<dennister> as i said, tech support told me to try 192.168.1.5, but no joy

<dennister> so i shouldn't try the 192.168.1.2?

<ejer> nope

<lophyte> it wouldn't matter which IP you try

<ejer> that is reserved for internal stuff

<lophyte> as long as its in the range that the router is configured for

<ejer> well dhcp should do it right anyways

<dennister> when i did try the 192....5 it just sent me to my loopback, and i got my apache webserver page

<ejer> routing

<ejer> can you paste the output of route -n after you set it up manually?

<ejer> or after dhcp whatever

<dennister> i will try, one more time, to flush everything (reboot) unplug the cable modem, disconnect it, release it's ip address, shut down the apache...etc....output of route -n?

<ejer> and I would also do a ifdown eth1 before trying

<ejer> ie disable the NIC not connected to router

<ejer> you don't have to renew cable modem IP

<ejer> just disconnect the ethernet cable from PC

<ejer> I would unplug cable modem, plug in DSL. Do ifdown eth0 && ifdown eth1

<dennister> yes, i was planning to do that...disable the eth1...wasn't intending to renew...what about the "paste the route -n"? what does that mean?

<ejer> then do a dhclient eth0

<ejer> route -n

<lophyte> dennister: when you run route -n at the command line, it will display an IP address under the "gateway" heading

<ejer> gives you info on how packets will travel

<lophyte> that's the IP of the router, and the IP which you should try connecting to

<dennister> k...be back around 1 pm probably

<lophyte> wow...

<lophyte> so compositing won't be enabled by default in Feisty

<PFA> GOOD!

<PFA> if it was i would MURDER someone.

<Burgwork> no wonder your mother doesn't let you out often :)

<lophyte> lol

<lophyte> I'm off..

<lophyte> Burgwork: any progress on contacting McKay?

<Burgwork> no, work has been crazy

<lophyte> ah

<lophyte> no worries :)

<lophyte> I gotta get going... see ya later

<dennister> hey guys...found a driver who'll be here any minute...was wrong about the modem giving me a dhcp address, too...nada

<dennister> he's here. bye for now

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