| <tsmithe> yay! | |
| <AndrewWilliams> http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/103/tragicaccidentpc6.jpg | |
| <AndrewWilliams> ouch | |
| *** tito|watching_Ro is now known as tito|afk | |
| <tito|afk> Life on Mars next tuesday | |
| <tito|afk> I'd better start heading towards the telly, in case I miss it | |
| <Seeker`> tito|afk: Is your tv far away? | |
| <tito|afk> Seeker: No but I'm not taking any chances | |
| <AndrewWilliams> my god, our local MP is useless | |
| <AndrewWilliams> http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMByMember.aspx?MID=4366 | |
| <Seeker`> AndrewWilliams: Where do you live? | |
| <AndrewWilliams> Widnes, near Liverpool | |
| *** Nik_Doof is now known as AndrewWilliams | |
| *** LoCoBot_4 is now known as locobot_3 | |
| *** locobot_3 is now known as locobot_4 | |
| <popey> morning all | |
| <chaddy> morning popey | |
| <loudmouthman> Good morning all | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <loudmouthman> hey MrBen | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <DaveMorris> morning all | |
| <Seeker`> morning | |
| <DaveMorris> morning | |
| <loudmouthman> morning | |
| <Seeker`> loudmouthman: We are hoping to have another scribes meeting on the 15th | |
| <loudmouthman> hehe okay | |
| <jayteeuk> Morning all. | |
| <loudmouthman> hello Jayteeuk | |
| <jayteeuk> It's a wee bit chilly this morning. | |
| <jayteeuk> I've got a handful of Dapper CDs to start handing out. Is there some "official" artwork available for the CD covers and labels anywhere? | |
| <popey> \o/ kqemu (the qemu kernel accelerator) has gone GPL! | |
| <popey> huzzah | |
| <jayteeuk> Rock. | |
| <mrben> result! | |
| * jayteeuk moshes like a metalhead. | |
| <popey> guess he kinda had to with the competition from virtualbox and kvm | |
| <treb0r> erm what does kqemu do exactly? | |
| <mrben> treb0r: virtualisation a la vmware | |
| <mrben> does anybody use bochs any more? | |
| <popey> treb0r: it is a kernel based accelerator for qemu | |
| <popey> without it qemu can be sluggish, with it, its very fast | |
| <popey> and I use it for my screencasting project to run the guests at acceptable speed, and now I am very happy that qemu+kqemu are free | |
| <popey> of course I also have kvm to use and / or virtualbox | |
| <popey> \o/ choice | |
| <Seeker`> ping jono | |
| <jono> Seeker`: give me 25mins, just eating :) | |
| <Seeker`> k | |
| <loudmouthman> uuurgh I hate silent user support calls . you say things like Click on Tools in the menu ( this in thunderbird ) they just go silent or just go urrrr for about a minute ! and then they say .. no cant see it. | |
| <DaveMorris> lol | |
| <DaveMorris> you need to write that program you told me about | |
| <loudmouthman> which on remind me <grin> . sigh .. this is one of this .. No cant see it ( you wait 10 seconds ) Oh wait I see it ... user | |
| <DaveMorris> where you press a button say F10 and type in "tool menu" And it hightlights and has a big arrow which says "this is the tool menu" | |
| <loudmouthman> heheh well i was going to suggest this to the developers of the interface. but now shes just randomly changing stuff. | |
| <DaveMorris> out of interest what does she wanna do? | |
| <loudmouthman> access her emails.. | |
| <popey> \o/ vnc / remote desktop / ssh | |
| <popey> for support porpoises | |
| <loudmouthman> the problem is , she now just said " oh will this let me access his calendar ? " , um no says I, " but you said it would " says she. | |
| <loudmouthman> popey I use hamachi/rdesktop but clients who are cant even locate a icon in the system tray to define it its working or to start it are a fucking nightmare | |
| <DaveMorris> sounds like you'll be quicker to make a site vist | |
| <loudmouthman> when it work , yes its great. but you have those odd clients , the ones who you can tell resent not having outlook for which everything mail and calendar related just wont work and suddently the hamachi and vnc are not working...wtf ! | |
| <loudmouthman> davemorris, yeah if only they were not in Newbury to my Horsham | |
| <popey> :( | |
| <DaveMorris> notgod | |
| <popey> no no no, he is god | |
| <popey> (of their computers) | |
| <loudmouthman> this is one of those users who just keeps muttering " i never had this problem with outlook" . Fine says I, I quite agree now if you can convince your boss to spend 5000 so you and he can share a calendar then I'll do it. | |
| <loudmouthman> heck i even set them up with hosted outlook services but they dont want the 90 a month fee for two users plus the 180 for the outlook licenses | |
| <DaveMorris> ask her to hand the phone over to someone with a brain | |
| <mrben> loudmouthman: you seen avantmans big red button project? | |
| <loudmouthman> heheh I would but its two people and her boss is not there. | |
| <loudmouthman> its moments like these when popey seems positively sane in his stance on windows support. | |
| <loudmouthman> mrben no? | |
| <DaveMorris> moments like that make we want to stay out of support | |
| <mrben> loudmouthman: let me find the link | |
| <popey> well loudmouthman | |
| <popey> i have some joy today :) | |
| <loudmouthman> i love oss I really do but with so many thousand of developers and so much potential monies sloshing around why the hell can we not create the next killer app to kill outlook ! grumble mumble ignore me just on a rant will calm down later and possily see sense.. its the quiet users that kill me really | |
| <popey> NTL are coming to setup my 10Mb cable | |
| <popey> but I *know* they are going to want me to show them a windows machine - which I cannot do :) | |
| <popey> I am at work, he will be arriving at home, I am going to get him to call me when he is there so I can tell him to just leave it there and I will set it up | |
| <loudmouthman> rotflmao yes ive been there with that at a few clients sites. heheh . weve dragooned a winxp lappy fro just such occasions. | |
| <popey> i contemplated installing blank xp on my lappy just to shut them up but thought better of it | |
| <loudmouthman> popey you can do me a favour when its set up and see how well you can get things like hamachi and openvpn to work over their cable service. it seems positively erratic at two sites and solid at a third. | |
| <DaveMorris> a connection should be os neutral though | |
| <popey> DaveMorris: I know that | |
| <popey> you know that | |
| <popey> they unfortunately do not | |
| <loudmouthman> yeah the scriptmonkies hired to do installs are working on the least amount of intelligence quotient required to lay a fricking cable. so they dont like change and they really hate going off script. | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah, a few people in my ISP know linux but you have to get back to 3rd level for that | |
| <CieD> popey, cable? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> going back to NTL | |
| <CieD> let me know how you get on | |
| <popey> ADSL Max blows goats | |
| <CieD> I'm on the cusp | |
| <popey> I have proof | |
| <loudmouthman> in the days when plusnet were populated with people of clue whom had left demon it was fun to do linux stuff with them and then the marketing and management consultant droids came in with voices of sames and simple same and simple .... | |
| <mrben> loudmouthman: found it! | |
| <popey> 20 quid for ADSL Max at 1Mb/s | |
| <mrben> loudmouthman: it's called panicbutton, not big red button | |
| <mrben> loudmouthman: http://www.panicbutton.org.uk/ | |
| <popey> 27 quid for Cable at 10Mb/s | |
| <jayteeuk> When I first signed up with NTL:Home they nearly cancelled the installation when I phoned in advance to tell them not to expect a Windows machine. | |
| <DaveMorris> I've got adsl at 2Mbps for £25 | |
| <CieD> Is that JUST cable for £27 | |
| <mrben> jayteeuk: heh - you don't _tell_ them that | |
| <popey> yes CieD | |
| <DaveMorris> I think I can get 4.5 max if I want | |
| <jayteeuk> I did. The bloke on the phone panicked. | |
| <popey> I am paying for up to 8Mb on dsl, but I get less than 1Mb usually | |
| <popey> which is not acceptable IMO | |
| <CieD> agreed | |
| <DaveMorris> yep | |
| * mrben gets about 3MB | |
| <mrben> but it can be very flaky | |
| <DaveMorris> dosen't cable get affected more by the people on your road though | |
| <jayteeuk> Then I told him "Look, I'm quite capable of setting it up myself. I'm perfectly willing to pay the monthly fee for the minimum 12 moth period, even if I don't get it working." | |
| <DaveMorris> talk talk are crap | |
| <popey> my current bandwidth according to my adsl modem... | |
| <loudmouthman> ah Mrben yes now if only pressing panic button produced a large cartoon hand that reached out and slapped the user whilst screaming pay attention and fucking listen to what is being said ! | |
| <DaveMorris> my g/f rents are with them and the connection goes anywhere between 220 and 5 KB/s | |
| <popey> Bandwidth Up/Down (Kbit/sec) | |
| <mrben> loudmouthman: :) if only | |
| <popey> 448 / 992 | |
| <CieD> that's pretty naff | |
| <popey> i am in the process of moving all my services from home to telehouse | |
| <popey> popey.com is now served off a box there | |
| <popey> and not off a shitty compaq proliant in my garage :) | |
| <jayteeuk> Oooh, hark at her. :) | |
| <CieD> You didn't part with cash for that I hope | |
| <popey> for what? | |
| <CieD> moving to someone's server | |
| <popey> kinda | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <CieD> you shuold have asked | |
| <loudmouthman> its grifferz box | |
| <popey> I have a virtual server with bitfolk | |
| <loudmouthman> oh i thought it was . | |
| <CieD> mind you..... ahhh ;) | |
| <popey> i have a special deal with him | |
| <DaveMorris> I can't afford hosting so its in my flat | |
| <CieD> special eh, nudge nudge | |
| * popey nudges | |
| * popey nudges | |
| * popey winks | |
| * popey winks | |
| <CieD> :) | |
| * popey says no more | |
| * mrben pays for hosting, but not a dedicated co-lo | |
| <popey> i need to move mail | |
| <popey> thats the last thing to go | |
| <mrben> currently I have hosting with webhosting.uk.com and valcato hosting and dreamhost | |
| <popey> so for a short while I will have DSL and cable together | |
| <CieD> have you seen that gmail do domain mail now | |
| <mrben> hoping to cut that down soon.... | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <CieD> seems pretty useful | |
| <popey> i use mutt to read my mail, or an IMAP capable viewer | |
| <popey> outlook here at work, evolution at home | |
| <popey> CieD: you coming to the hantslug meet on saturday? | |
| <popey> I am :) | |
| <popey> first time in months | |
| <popey> :S | |
| <CieD> Hope to | |
| <CieD> FOSDEM has just been trashed | |
| <CieD> for me anyway | |
| <CieD> :/ | |
| <mrben> ? | |
| <popey> ? | |
| <mrben> :( | |
| <popey> uhm | |
| <CieD> uhm? | |
| <popey> i have your eurostar ticket dont I? | |
| <CieD> Yep | |
| <CieD> sh*t happens | |
| <popey> Adrian cant go either | |
| <popey> they dont do refunds | |
| <popey> but i will try | |
| * popey cant remember if CieD has paid him for the ticket :S | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <CieD> the world won't stop if I don't get the money back | |
| <popey> ah | |
| <popey> you have :) | |
| <CieD> indeed! | |
| <popey> wifey dealt with all that :) | |
| <popey> sorry, didn't want to cast aspertions | |
| <popey> etc | |
| <CieD> pah, who cares, cast away :) | |
| <popey> but if I did, good job I did it in public eh? :) | |
| <CieD> nice one... git | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> love you | |
| <popey> mean it | |
| <CieD> you can show me how much at the weekend | |
| <loudmouthman> and Gazzak is not here for this ! | |
| <popey> oh, youre coming? | |
| <CieD> not yet | |
| <popey> bring a bucket | |
| <popey> etc | |
| <CieD> lmao | |
| * popey does the lewd stuff whilst gazza isnt here | |
| <CieD> thanks mate, I needed a larf | |
| <loudmouthman> right lunchtime and im making cheese dreams! | |
| * Seeker` just had his cholesterol tested | |
| <jayteeuk> How did it do? | |
| <Seeker`> apparently it is "low" | |
| <Seeker`> which is < 3.88 | |
| <jono> do you guys want to run an Ubuntu UK BOF at LRL2007 ? | |
| <jono> Seeker`: sorry for the delay, been stuck in calls | |
| <jono> Seeker`: will be around in a bit after lunch | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <Seeker`> jono: Ping me when you are free? | |
| <jono> Seeker`: will do | |
| <jono> popey: yes for the Ubuntu UK BOF? | |
| <Seeker`> jono: Its nothing particularly important | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> I think it would be a great idea | |
| <popey> just hold it like our normal meetings | |
| <popey> but in person | |
| <mrben> anybody know if I could use virtualbox to boot the 2nd partition on my hdd? | |
| <popey> dont think it can | |
| <popey> would you really want to? | |
| <popey> given the chipset in your host will be different from the chipset inside the VM | |
| <gord> sure is weird to hear baby birds chirp'in away when there is still frost on the ground | |
| <mrben> popey: ah - good point | |
| <mrben> popey: not sure I have enough space on my work lappy, given that it already dual-boots :( | |
| <mrben> popey: was hoping to fool it into using the other partition as the client OS | |
| <popey> what is the other OS? | |
| <mrben> Ubuntu | |
| <mrben> edgy eft | |
| <popey> would probably be okay | |
| <popey> windows would of course throw a fit | |
| <mrben> why? | |
| <popey> hardware change | |
| <popey> lots of it | |
| <mrben> ah, I see what you mean | |
| <popey> cpu / chipset / video card would all be different from when natively booted | |
| <mrben> yeah | |
| <mrben> oh well - one way to find out :) | |
| * mrben installs | |
| <popey> i dont think vbox even has an option for it | |
| <mrben> possibly not | |
| <popey> you get to create a disk image or use an existing one | |
| <mrben> yeah | |
| <mrben> :( | |
| <popey> qemu can :) | |
| <popey> iirc | |
| <mrben> qemu can't run on Windows.... | |
| <popey> yes it can | |
| <popey> there is a qemu for windows | |
| <mrben> is there? | |
| <mrben> ok.... | |
| <mrben> :) | |
| <popey> of course | |
| <popey> http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/index-ja.html | |
| <popey> haha, japlish | |
| <popey> http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/ | |
| <popey> better :) | |
| <mrben> yup | |
| <mrben> got it :) | |
| <mrben> so you reckon qemu will do it? | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <popey> i remember seeing a faq entry about it | |
| <popey> hmm, maybe not | |
| <popey> http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:E8fnahk5Mj0J:www.kidsquid.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions+qemu+faq&hl=en&client=firefox-a&strip=1 | |
| <popey> "Can I run my OS on /dev/hda1 in qemu?" | |
| <popey> "Short answer: No." | |
| <popey> it goes on to explain it can be done | |
| <loudmouthman> re jonos earlier comment I was thinking we could have a Ubuntu UK meeting there under the guise of a bof . | |
| <mrben> popey: nice | |
| <popey> loudmouthman: heh, i think that's what I said :) | |
| <loudmouthman> yeah i was scroling through .. hehe | |
| <mrben> popey: hmmm - I don't need to specifically run /dev/hda1 | |
| <mrben> popey: if it will boot from /dev/hda and then run GRUB | |
| <loudmouthman> of course it would be nice if mr bacon could make it for at least one more of our meetings. do you think he will be there <grin> | |
| <popey> mrben: that faq has a couple of notes about it | |
| <mrben> popey: thanks | |
| <popey> he is a busy man loudmouthman | |
| <loudmouthman> of course now I say that i realise some smart alec will point out how busy he will be and the joke will be skirted by miles..... | |
| * loudmouthman shakes head .. humour . sigh where art though . hehehe | |
| <popey> "joke" you say | |
| <popey> "humour" you say | |
| <loudmouthman> irony . you know that thing you have a woman for. | |
| * popey gets his legal team on standby for trades description purposes | |
| <mrben> popey: I think you should patent the use of single-word descriptors as subdomains | |
| <mrben> before joke.microsoft.com appears | |
| <loudmouthman> mrben , thats not a crazy idea at all. | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> oooh, i had a new one | |
| <popey> so many, I have forgotten now | |
| <mrben> lol | |
| <popey> ah yes, I remember now :0 | |
| <popey> looking for a good opportunity to use it | |
| <mrben> tell us! | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> needs an occasion with which to wield it | |
| <loudmouthman> cue the futurama scene where bender was programmed to explode if he uttered the word which he would never normally use. | |
| <popey> cue loudmouthman with a TV reference:- | |
| <mrben> popey: give us a hint, so we can build such an occasion | |
| <popey> argue with me about something that you know i feel passionately about, and then you will see it appear :) | |
| *** luke_ is now known as Kazade | |
| <mrben> popey: elvis is dead! | |
| <mrben> popey: gnome is shite | |
| <mrben> popey: so is vi | |
| <mrben> popey: fedora ftw | |
| <loudmouthman> babylong 5 is a pile of shite. | |
| <mrben> see - that extra g makes it look awful dodgy..... | |
| <loudmouthman> how about ... hawk the Slayer the rubbish! | |
| <mrben> from "babbi-lon" to "baby-long" | |
| <loudmouthman> bubbaslong five | |
| * mrben checks fuckoff.popey.com | |
| <popey> \o/ NTL at my house | |
| <mrben> ntl sucks | |
| <mrben> you should use dialup | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <loudmouthman> avoid popey.popey.com I typed it into my browser and a wormhole opened up to a parralel world. | |
| <popey> 10mb/s here i come | |
| <loudmouthman> right im off .. | |
| * popey sniffs | |
| * popey farts on mrben | |
| <mrben> :o | |
| <Seeker`> lo PriceChild | |
| <PriceChild> Hey | |
| <Seeker`> ping popey | |
| <popey> Seeker` pong(s) | |
| <jwest--> does gmail drive work.. last time i tried it didnt. | |
| <popey> I wouldn't use it jwest-- | |
| <jwest--> why so popey | |
| * popey suspects he knows what Seeker` is going to say | |
| <Seeker`> what? | |
| <jwest--> there is firefox addon to have gdrive on browser or so too i think | |
| <DaveMorris> popey, did NTL run with no windows boxes | |
| <popey> yup DaveMorris | |
| <Seeker`> popey: What was your prediciton? | |
| <popey> he just installed the cable modem and left the CD and ethernet cable there for me | |
| <popey> Seeker`: i will tell you if i am right :) | |
| <jwest--> anytihng wrong with gmail drive? | |
| <Seeker`> popey: We'll, i've sent you a message. were you right? | |
| <DaveMorris> I assume they test that it works though | |
| <popey> jwest--: I just wouldn't store data there | |
| <popey> i was wrong Seeker` | |
| <jwest--> oh | |
| <Seeker`> what did you think i was going to say? | |
| <jwest--> but there isnt wrtong with it just for music is there? | |
| <popey> well given they could change the APi and thus break the application at any time with no warning.. | |
| <popey> thats why i woiuldnt use it | |
| <popey> I use edna to access my music remotely :) | |
| <popey> edna rocks! | |
| <Seeker`> popey: link | |
| <Seeker`> ? | |
| <popey> http://edna.sourceforge.net/ | |
| <popey> its basically a little webserver you run at home | |
| <popey> it exposes your music in a nice http method | |
| <Seeker`> cool | |
| <popey> so you can stream music from home to where you are | |
| <popey> very nice | |
| * Seeker` doesn't leave his computer running during the day atm | |
| * popey leaves his on 247 | |
| <Seeker`> When I'm back at uni, I'm going to get some static IPs and leave it running | |
| <jwest--> popey: sweet | |
| <popey> hey Seeker` you in Basingrad this weekend? | |
| <gord> who needs static ips when you have no-ip.org ;) | |
| <popey> Hampshire LUG are having a meet | |
| <popey> in Southampton | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Sadly not, I'm taking a trip to Bath to look for my house for next year | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <popey> never mind | |
| <popey> next time | |
| <Seeker`> I will also be with my gf, so if we find somewhere on friday, I still probably woildnt be able to make it on saturday :( | |
| <Seeker`> When is the next one? | |
| <popey> first saturday of the month | |
| <popey> every month | |
| <popey> ish | |
| <Seeker`> i may be able to make the next one | |
| <Seeker`> popey: Whereabouts do you live? | |
| <popey> farnborough | |
| <Seeker`> popey: How do you get from farnborough to the aldershot meetings? | |
| <popey> car | |
| <Seeker`> hmm | |
| <popey> dunno where the next meet will be though | |
| <Seeker`> if i could get to farnborough whenveer the next aldershot meeting is, would it be possible to get a lift? | |
| <popey> might be aldershot, might not | |
| <popey> sure | |
| <Seeker`> cool | |
| <popey> if I am going | |
| <popey> RedHat are moving from Guildford to Farnborough | |
| <Seeker`> its only 17 mins and £3.50 return on the train from basingstoke to farnborough | |
| <popey> we are going to try to get a room there | |
| <popey> other people drive from basingrad | |
| <popey> if you ask on the mailing list some one may give you a lift | |
| <Seeker`> cool | |
| <Seeker`> anyone from here? | |
| <popey> no | |
| <popey> people in #hants on irc.lug.org.uk | |
| <popey> the official UK LUG irc server :) | |
| * Seeker` has to work out how to do multiple servers in irssi now | |
| <popey> /connect irc.lug.org.uk | |
| <popey> then in the first window you can use CTRL+X to switch between networks | |
| <popey> to issue commands to each | |
| <popey> like /join #hants :) | |
| <popey> arf | |
| <Seeker`> i think i manged it | |
| <Jonny0stars> hello | |
| <Jonny0stars> any one use a speedtouch modem here ? | |
| <popey> i do | |
| <gord> booo speedtouch, I used to | |
| <X3N_> I have one | |
| <X3N_> works well with ipcop | |
| <Jonny0stars> i cant get mine working | |
| <popey> which model? | |
| <Jonny0stars> well its not mine, but i cant get it working lol | |
| <Jonny0stars> 4.0 i think | |
| <popey> that doesnt look like a model number | |
| <popey> seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo ? | |
| <popey> is it a USB or ethernet device? | |
| <gord> is it a silver modem? if it is http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html should work great (always did for me) | |
| <Jonny0stars> i think the modem works fine with the firmware, seems to flash a few times gets ADSL UP XXkbs Down XXkbs etc | |
| <DaveMorris> I have mine (the green frog) working fine with smoothwall | |
| <Jonny0stars> do i need to create a device for the modem ? | |
| <Jonny0stars> i would probably have it working by now if i had the Internet there, but i dont heh | |
| <Jonny0stars> popey: thanks looks promising | |
| <Jonny0stars> for example i do ifconfig the only device i have is lo | |
| <Jonny0stars> any one use pipex by anychance | |
| <popey> my brother does | |
| <popey> i replaced his speedtouch with a dlink router | |
| <gord> I used to, with a silver speed touch modem | |
| <Jonny0stars> gord: ever get it working ? | |
| <Jonny0stars> gord: 4.0 yea ? | |
| <gord> yes, [14:55 17] <gord> is it a silver modem? if it is http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html should work great (always did for me) | |
| <Jonny0stars> gord: oh yea sorry lol | |
| <Jonny0stars> gord: thanks alot | |
| <Jonny0stars> oh i used that one dint work | |
| <Jonny0stars> do they use PPPoE or PPPoA ? | |
| <gord> pipex use pppoa | |
| <Jonny0stars> hmmm | |
| <Jonny0stars> it dint seem to work, well im not sure how to test it to be honest | |
| <Jonny0stars> the firmware seemed to load alright | |
| <Jonny0stars> gord: don't suppose you remember VP and VC values do you ? | |
| <popey> 0.38 usuall | |
| <gord> also, make sure to follow the instructions for the dapper drake version of ubuntu on that guide, well if you hare using dapper or edgy at any rate | |
| <Jonny0stars> i dont know what he is using | |
| <medders> hi everyone | |
| <Seeker`> hi | |
| <mrben> hi | |
| <jamesbrose> seen this? http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/05/system-76-unveils-ubuntu-powered-darter-ultraportable-series/ | |
| <mrben> given the current exchange rate, that could be very tempting :) | |
| <jamesbrose> yup | |
| <rbs-tito> hi | |
| <Seeker`> hi | |
| <jono> Seeker`: sorry, free now | |
| <Seeker`> hometime :D | |
| <popey> wooooooooooooooooooooooooot | |
| <popey> jono: reply from shouty man, all okay now :) | |
| <popey> er, thats not loudmouthman btw | |
| <popey> you know what I mean | |
| <jono> popey: good work dude :) | |
| <jono> popey: want a job? | |
| * jono chuckles | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <jono> hehe | |
| <jono> we need someone to clean the bogs actually... :P | |
| <popey> I'd get to handle *your* crap!? | |
| <popey> where do I sign up? | |
| <jono> ugh | |
| * jono pukes :P | |
| <popey> i could capture sabdfls poo and put it on ebay | |
| <popey> bet someone would buy it | |
| <popey> "space poo" | |
| <jono> this time next year rodney... | |
| <popey> L@@@@K RARE! | |
| <popey> etc | |
| <jono> hehe | |
| <jono> haha | |
| <jono> I got a funny email yesterday | |
| <popey> O RLY? | |
| <jono> someone mailed me about something, I replied and they said they printed it out and framed it | |
| <popey> o_O | |
| <popey> "I'll never delete that mail" | |
| <jono> I sent them another reply and said that they should frame mails from much better people than me | |
| <popey> mind you, Scott james Remnant touched my laptop, i went a bit silly | |
| <jono> and that I reply to about 60 mails a day so its nothing that special | |
| <popey> happens to all of us | |
| <jono> hehe | |
| <jono> nuts | |
| <popey> hah | |
| <jono> we are all computer people, always need to remember thayt | |
| <jono> that | |
| <jono> apart from the legend of Alan Pope | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> funny you should say that | |
| <jono> who I bask in his glory whenever possible :) | |
| <jono> legend or leg end...hmmm :P | |
| <popey> someone was being interviewed a few years ago at a customer I worked at.. | |
| <popey> .. they said i was on site to the bloke being intervied.. | |
| <popey> "you have Alan Pope *here*?" | |
| <popey> "yes" | |
| <popey> "*THE* Alan Pope!?" | |
| <jono> haha | |
| <popey> since then at work they call me "The Alan pope" | |
| <jono> wow wicked :) | |
| <popey> they also call me strange | |
| * popey shrugs | |
| <jono> I seem to have got the nickname The Internet's Jono Bacon | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <popey> after ted | |
| <jono> fucking bastard :P | |
| <popey> second hand nickname | |
| <popey> sloppy seconds | |
| <jono> ugh | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <jono> sloppy Ted seconds | |
| <jono> nasty | |
| <jono> :P | |
| <popey> ugh | |
| <popey> how is he | |
| <popey> not seen him around a while | |
| <popey> since "that deal" | |
| <jono> which reminds me, gonna have to get down to do talk at Sussex LUG sometime | |
| <popey> and hants | |
| <jono> he is cool, busy as hell though | |
| <popey> cool | |
| <jono> I see him at the weekend, catch up | |
| <popey> excellent | |
| <popey> Say hello from popey | |
| <popey> not that I couldn't just email "hello" to him | |
| <jono> will do :) | |
| <jono> hehe | |
| <jono> right, best get on | |
| <popey> indeed | |
| <jono> lots to do before I go out for dinner | |
| <popey> its okay | |
| <popey> KFC are open late | |
| <jono> later mate :) | |
| * jono laughs | |
| <jono> very funny | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> ttfn | |
| <rbs-tito> I HATE MICROSOFT! I can't use my computer to do coursework because I "Don't own Microsoft office and [some proprietary font] to comply with standards" | |
| <tsmithe> hehe unlucky | |
| <tsmithe> standards? | |
| <tsmithe> which standards? | |
| <rbs-tito> I know, i could have slapped the man and sent him to the ISO website | |
| <rbs-tito> He would find that Microsoft Office Document isn't listed | |
| <tsmithe> seriously | |
| <jamesbrose> when did Microsoft get standards? :P | |
| <tsmithe> which standards? | |
| <rbs-tito> No idea | |
| <rbs-tito> The schools! | |
| <tsmithe> don't comply? | |
| <rbs-tito> They don't know what they are talking about, but insist they are rigt | |
| <tsmithe> same at my school | |
| <rbs-tito> Same in IT though, we need to produce a fake computer-setup as if we were setting up desktops for an office; they tell you to write about your choice of OS but it has to be Windows XP Professional edition | |
| <tsmithe> read about my troubles on my blog! | |
| <rbs-tito> I've read it! | |
| <tsmithe> hehe | |
| <tsmithe> cool! | |
| <rbs-tito> Your sysadmin sucks | |
| <tsmithe> yup :) | |
| <tsmithe> she's a pita | |
| <rbs-tito> Mine: "We couldn't use Linux because the students are used to a GUI" | |
| <tsmithe> hahahaha | |
| <tsmithe> sux0r | |
| <tsmithe> he says, whilst weeping inside | |
| <rbs-tito> I explained then he said "Well I like Windows anyway, it is proper." | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <tsmithe> like shouldn't come into it :P | |
| <popey> "proper Bo!" | |
| <rbs-tito> tsmithe: What reasons does she give for not adopting OSS?# | |
| <popey> there are many reasons | |
| <popey> its not easy for a school to just dump windows and go FLOSS | |
| <popey> you need people on the inside who are sympathetic | |
| <popey> and perhaps students who don't make a nuisance of themselves ;) | |
| <tsmithe> rbs-tito, there aren't any. even when asking just about rolling out openoffice or firefox, she said, "installing software over a network is different to installing it at home" or something along those lines | |
| <rbs-tito> I know, but that is no reason to not start. Even OpenOffice in windows would be better than nothing. | |
| <rbs-tito> tsmithe: Didn't she install Office over a network then? | |
| <tsmithe> i think she means she can't be arsed | |
| <popey> depends what he means by over a network | |
| <popey> he may just mean she has a lot of computers | |
| <popey> i.e. not just one as you might at home | |
| <tsmithe> i didn't say it! she did! | |
| <popey> and office/windows xp may have been pre-installed | |
| <popey> or as part of the build | |
| <tsmithe> nah - rm has automagic install programs that run on bootup | |
| <tsmithe> so it can't be really that hard | |
| <popey> still time and effort for someone | |
| <rbs-tito> Our network is *HELL* | |
| <popey> give them a break | |
| <tsmithe> popey, i have :) | |
| <popey> they dont get paid enough to cope with you lot poking them all the time | |
| <tsmithe> i just put up posters around school :) | |
| <tsmithe> popey, how true. but still.... | |
| <popey> I understand what you are trying to do | |
| <popey> I really do | |
| * tsmithe keeps failing to talk to the headmaster | |
| <popey> I do it in the work place | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <tsmithe> my next point of call... :/ | |
| <popey> its just as hard at work sometimes | |
| <popey> especially with networks of thousands of desktops and laptops | |
| <rbs-tito> Good idea, though I overeard today "I might get a Mac" "Why?" "I like everything else apple makes" "Macs don't run windows programs, you need mac software" "You don't get Windows?" "No" "F**k that." | |
| <popey> and support people who only know windows | |
| <popey> macs can run windows programs | |
| <popey> parallels | |
| <popey> and boot camp | |
| <rbs-tito> I didn't get involved | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> smart :) | |
| <rbs-tito> I overheard | |
| <rbs-tito> Bunch of chavs | |
| <tsmithe> my school is one that blocks all outgoing traffic except that which is explicitly allowed | |
| * tsmithe 's school doesn't have chavs | |
| * popey isn't surprised by this statement | |
| <tsmithe> which? | |
| <rbs-tito> Our network is utter rubbish, you can't visit half of the websites on the internet, their reason was "That is a website about Linux" | |
| <tsmithe> the chavs or the network? | |
| <popey> 18:01 * tsmithe 's school doesn't have chavs | |
| <tsmithe> ah :) | |
| * tsmithe goes to a grammar school | |
| <rbs-tito> There isn't a grammar school here, it is really annoying | |
| <tsmithe> hah :P | |
| <tsmithe> i bet you have girls though... | |
| <rbs-tito> There is a private comprehensive, but it is full of prats and they get worse grades than the state one. The girls are rough. | |
| <tsmithe> :( | |
| <tsmithe> right i really have to get to work | |
| <tsmithe> bye | |
| <rbs-tito> Bye | |
| <rbs-tito> Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a list of Ubuntu knowledgables in Britain who volunteer to go to people in their community and help them? | |
| <alecjw> hmmmm | |
| <alecjw> usually, yo go to the presoin who converted you to ubuntu, rbs-tito | |
| <alecjw> o0r, if you find out about ubuntu yourself, you get help online | |
| <rbs-tito> True, but do you think a solid framework would be useful? | |
| <alecjw> hmmmmm maybe | |
| <alecjw> or another idea is have a map of ubuntu users :) | |
| <alecjw> that sounds fun | |
| <rbs-tito> But User != expert/support volunteer | |
| <alecjw> they'd proably all be concentrated in a few areas, because people convert peopel in their local area | |
| <alecjw> hmmmmm... that's a good point | |
| <rbs-tito> If people could list a number or email, then they could go to people wanting support in their town. These people could also convert users, explain the benefits, analyse the persons situation and see how well Ubuntu would work for them. | |
| <rbs-tito> Like an Ubuntu representative | |
| <rbs-tito> Just, not so official. | |
| <alecjw> hmmmm..... it seems too.... proffesional though | |
| <alecjw> not really the uubntu way of doing things, i think | |
| <astopy> did someone highlight me earlier? | |
| <alecjw> i doubt that many people would be willing to go to a stranger's house and give na ubuntu ssales pitch | |
| <alecjw> and i cant type | |
| <rbs-tito> Have you seen what the BBC are linking to? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html | |
| <ziadoz> if i install ndiswrapper when using an ubuntu live cd, will it work without rebooting? | |
| <mdke> ziadoz: ndiswrapper always works without rebooting | |
| <ziadoz> hmm, didnt make my card work | |
| <rbs-tito> ziadoz: Have you got the right driver file? | |
| <ziadoz> yeah | |
| <ziadoz> tried a few | |
| <ziadoz> website ones | |
| <ziadoz> the ones from my xp partition | |
| <ziadoz> tried using fwcutter too | |
| <ziadoz> its a dell 1390 wireless card (broadcom 4311) | |
| <ziadoz> im worried about installing ubuntu if i cant get it working on the live disc | |
| <ziadoz> is it any more likely to work when installed? | |
| <ziadoz> any ideas guys? | |
| <rbs-tito> I've never had a working wireless card from the liveCD, even the ones which are supported out of the box | |
| <ziadoz> so its worthing risking it for a biscuit then? | |
| <ConvertOne> ziadoz:i have the same card and it works with edgy | |
| <ziadoz> nice | |
| <ziadoz> what setup are you using fwcutter/ndis? | |
| <ConvertOne> here is the dell laptop testing page on ubuntu wiki.. | |
| <ConvertOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Dell | |
| <ziadoz> my laptop isnt a dell though | |
| <ConvertOne> helped me no end in deciding which version to use | |
| <ziadoz> its a compaq presario v5215 | |
| <ziadoz> it has a dell 1390 broad 4311(rev01) in it, according to lspci | |
| <ziadoz> (after i added pci.ids into my user share misc folder) | |
| <ConvertOne> lots more laptops here.. | |
| <ConvertOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam#head-6e851be11275bd80e116d9cca5374df5b117bc6f | |
| <ziadoz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqPresarioV5201US thats the closest i can find i guess | |
| <ziadoz> it says it works with ndis | |
| <ziadoz> i wish these companies would support their damn products | |
| <ConvertOne> try getting touch with the mane at the top, see what driver file he used | |
| <ConvertOne> tyler coumbes | |
| <ConvertOne> name i mean, not his hairy neck | |
| <ziadoz> lol | |
| <ziadoz> i have about 6 or 7 sets of drivers all supposedly for my particular card | |
| <ConvertOne> at the bottom of that page, it says | |
| <ConvertOne> The builtin wifi will work with ndiswrapper, but it wouldn't work with the windows driver that came with the laptop, had to download one for bcm43xx off the web and worked like a charm. | |
| <ConvertOne> looks like he has the same wireless card | |
| <ziadoz> yeah | |
| <ziadoz> it appears so | |
| <ziadoz> i have several sets of drivers for the card | |
| <ziadoz> i suppose i could just try em all | |
| <ziadoz> after i install it of course | |
| <ziadoz> once i got it working, i got the WPA woes i assume? :\ | |
| <ConvertOne> ziadoz: i found some instuctions to get it to work for you | |
| <ConvertOne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | |
| <ziadoz> ahh | |
| <ziadoz> i tried that one on the livecd, with no dice | |
| <ziadoz> fwcutter got my alot closer than ndis though | |
| <constrictor> hello | |
| <popey> evening | |
| <ConvertOne> have you read this bit? | |
| <ConvertOne> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102 | |
| <constrictor> if you needed to store files online where would you go? | |
| <constrictor> besides your own server? | |
| <ConvertOne> not exact card though | |
| <ziadoz> not tried that one | |
| <popey> constrictor: what kinds of files? | |
| <ziadoz> ill have to install it and try some of these | |
| <constrictor> light documents | |
| <ConvertOne> if at first you don't succeed.. | |
| <ConvertOne> give up | |
| <ziadoz> ive been trying all week on the livecd | |
| <popey> constrictor: who will access? only you? | |
| <ziadoz> i suppose ill just do a dual boot | |
| <ziadoz> use winxp until i can sort the wifi bit | |
| <constrictor> yes | |
| <constrictor> only me | |
| <ziadoz> whats the minimum hard disk space ubuntu needs? | |
| <popey> constrictor: get some free webspace and password protect it | |
| <constrictor> just stumbled on omnidrive, anyone her about it? | |
| <popey> constrictor: or have a wiki | |
| <popey> heard of a few services like that | |
| <ConvertOne> not even a gig, i think | |
| <ConvertOne> but would rec more | |
| <ziadoz> cool | |
| <ziadoz> ill give it 5-6 | |
| <ziadoz> here goes nothing :p hopefully i wont end up with a large doorstop | |
| <ConvertOne> large expensive doorstop | |
| <ConvertOne> :) | |
| <ziadoz> i have the xp discs anyway | |
| <ziadoz> i can roll back if it all goes wrong i spose | |
| <ziadoz> i have an image of the current setup too | |
| <ConvertOne> he who dares.. :) | |
| <ziadoz> joins the SAS ;) | |
| <ConvertOne> lol | |
| * dsas 8is* the sas | |
| <constrictor> popey it looks like omni drive gives you 1 gig of free space and 5 gig bandwitch per month | |
| <popey> I would just throw a wiki on some free webspace | |
| <popey> well, thats what I do :) | |
| <popey> \o/ wikis | |
| <ziadoz> so to dual boot with xp and ubuntu i can just resize the existing partion | |
| <ziadoz> ? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <ziadoz> then edit the grub file to point to xp as default | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <ziadoz> for a while :P | |
| <ziadoz> gah it said failed to partition :\ | |
| <constrictor> has anyone ever installed ubuntu on a mac power book before | |
| <constrictor> ? | |
| * Seeker` pokes dsas | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: yes?/ | |
| <Seeker`> do you know about triaging bugs? | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: Supposedly. What can I do to help? | |
| <ConvertOne> ziadoz: i know xp wont let you repart a disk its on unless it has a clean shutdown | |
| * Seeker` was wondering how to get involved | |
| <ConvertOne> ziadoz: try starting and shutting down windows | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: Cool. There's a few ways to get involved. 1. Become a bug contact of programs you're interested in, 2. join a specific team. 3. hang around in #ubuntu-bugs and cast your eye over incoming bugs. | |
| * Seeker` isn't sure about any specific teams | |
| <dsas> 1. Lets you build up an expertise of what bugs a program gets - you get mails for every bug change, this means you can quickly recognise dupes etc. | |
| <dsas> 2. Specific teams are for example the Mozilla team who take care of mozilla bugs or the ubuntu desktop team who take care of GNOME... | |
| <dsas> 3. Everytime a new bug is filed a bot announces it in #ubuntu-bugs have a look over the bug, and see if there's anythiing you can do with it. | |
| <dsas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs is pretty good reading. | |
| <dsas> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks shows the usual workflow. | |
| <Seeker`> I had a look at the triaging page earlier | |
| <Seeker`> it seemed quite a lot to rememebr | |
| <dsas> uhm, I'm not sure I've ever managed to be much help to people when they ask me about joining the bugsquad, so if I've not been any help or you want to know more about anything please say. | |
| <dsas> yeah there is a lot there, you don't have to remember all of it though. You can just keep it open in a tab and refer to it. | |
| * Seeker` thinks there should be a week of tutorials etc. about 2 weeks after each release | |
| <Seeker`> because i suspect the number of new people is higher then | |
| <dsas> Sometimes I just look at all the bugs that haven't been assigned a source package and just push through them assigning them the correct package but not checking for dupes or upstream bugs. You don't have to do everything in HowToTriage for every bug, what you don't do someone else will, one day. | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: That's probably a good idea for most teams to run, like the "open ubuntu week" or whatever it was called last autumn. | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: And if you're stuck looking at a bug then you can always ask in #ubuntu-bugs for advice. | |
| * Seeker` nods, "Thanks" | |
| <dsas> Is that useful at all for "how to get started"? | |
| <Seeker`> its a good starting point | |
| <popey> told you he would know :) | |
| *** Sio is now known as Sionide | |
| <X3N_> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3313 <// would be nice if all tickets went like this |
