<ryanakca> MagicFab: never even heard of apt-list bugs :)

<MagicFab> ryanakca, it lists all bug reports that are fixed in a package just before you install it

<ryanakca> ah

<tonyyarusso> How are we doing?

<tonyyarusso> #9 - still front page

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: nice

<ryanakca> you seem to get a bunch of requests and once... then none

<ryanakca> everybody! go to tonyyarusso's blog and refresh like crazy!

<tonyyarusso> haha

<tonyyarusso> Yeah, it's pretty weird like that.

* ryanakca wonders if he can get an old compaq server from his school

<ryanakca> it just sits there collecting dust... great big clunker

<ryanakca> compaq from the 90s...

<tonyyarusso> It's like, "hey, what if we wrote a cronjob to hit the page all together every seven minutes, eh?"

<tonyyarusso> Hey rexbron

<ryanakca> yeah!

<ryanakca> rexbron: how d'it go?

<ryanakca> or wait... did you go?

<rexbron> ryanakca: it went very well

<rexbron> the tux was up for 20 mintues before the cops came

<ryanakca> heh

<rexbron> we had to take it down

<ryanakca> that sucks

<tonyyarusso> It would be nice if there was a better spot to put that up, but I imagine Toronto's pretty tight.

<rexbron> after that, we handed out cd and pamphlets

<ryanakca> were very many people interested?

<rexbron> tonyyarusso: safty hazard

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: I heard

<rexbron> a fair amount

<ryanakca> nice

<ryanakca> did any really bite? (not casual interest, but I want to install this at home... NOW! type interest?)

<rexbron> ryanakca: people asked if I was running vista,

<rexbron> no beryl, but big wow

<ryanakca> lol, sweet

<tonyyarusso> Asked if you were running Vista _without_ beryl?

<rexbron> no, if THAT was vista

* ryanakca wonders how that's possible...

<ryanakca> people asked or someone asked?

* ryanakca wants to know if it's just one idiot, or lots of them

* ryanakca can't see much resemblence (eye candy wise) between a plain Gnome desktop without beryl and Vista'

<ryanakca> if it had beryl, sure

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: Still no media?

<tonyyarusso> Moved back up to #8.

<tonyyarusso> eh?

<J-_> sup?

<tonyyarusso> For the first time, more Windows users have viewed by blog than Linux. That means Windows users are interested in today's events.

<Burgwork> ryanakca: the vista is tiny bit more polished

<tonyyarusso> J-_: Well, I frontpaged digg today. That was fun.

<Burgwork> tonyyarusso: cool, can you publish the viewed stats?

<J-_> awesome

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: I can publish what I have. There's a gap in them though, since I didn't quite survive ;)

<tonyyarusso> Note to self: Prepare ahead of time - you won't have enough warning to respond.

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: now that your back, can I log out?

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: they're still coming in - we're still #8 on the front page.

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: sure

<ryanakca> kk

<Burgwork> rock

<J-_> tonyyarusso: since you have a home server, does your ISP promote doing so in the agreement? I'm scared to set mine up again >><< but they didn't call me last time it was up so it should be good.

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: The weird thing was, apache and wordpress were okay; it was mysql that died.

<tonyyarusso> J-_: Well we'll find out now won't we?

<J-_> heh yeah

<Burgwork> not shocked

<Burgwork> mysql is crap

<J-_> i never really had a problem with mysql =D

<Burgwork> usually for high load situations you put a proxying thing in front of the sql server

<Burgwork> or one exists in the sql servefr

<tonyyarusso> A proxying thing? what's that do?

<J-_> the problem I had was with https, not sure what i had to do, still don't know.

<tonyyarusso> Any idea how to do that Burgwork ?

<Burgwork> nope, sorry

<Burgwork> I know know they exist

<tonyyarusso> k

<J-_> Sorry i kinda barged in -.- But yeah, I figured ubuntu-ca would be a good place to hand since I'm from ontario, and possibly get started on somehow applying skills in the community, both mine and ours.

<tonyyarusso> J-_: yeah, if they notice they won't be happy.

<J-_> who?

<J-_> the locoteam?

<tonyyarusso> my isp I mean

<J-_> ohh

<J-_> yeah, same here

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: what d'you have... cogeco?

<ryanakca> notice what?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: yes.

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yeah... have you seen their AUP? (Acceptable Use Policy)

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: yes.

<tonyyarusso> I merely don't care ;)

<J-_> at least you're not freakin with Sympatico, the anti-linux.

<J-_> but that's why I have a dualboot now.

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: it's kindof funny

<ryanakca> J-_: why d'you say Sympatico is anti-linux?

<tonyyarusso> J-_: You can use Sympatico with Linux just fine.

<tonyyarusso> I had them last year.

<J-_> Well, I phoned for support a couple months ago, I told them they had linux and they got pee'd off and pretty much hung up without giving me support I needed.

<J-_> and they're partnered with Microsoft

<ryanakca> yeah

<ryanakca> s/they/I ?

<tonyyarusso> J-_: sigh...

<tonyyarusso> Don't tell them.

<tonyyarusso> Or talk to a supervisor.

<J-_> I'm not gonna lie to them, I'm glad I have Linux

<ryanakca> lol

<J-_> and they won't complain anymore than that, because we've had the same line in now for almsot 10 years

<J-_> or longer

<J-_> I'm a valued costumer =D

<tonyyarusso> Just tell them you have it later on in the call, after you've proved it works ;)

<J-_> if they do complain, i'll gladly tell them, "hold on, i'm in linux, let me boot into microtox." and they'll be like Oo

<J-_> technically, I have microsoft just not using it =D

<J-_> when I phoned for support, I only had linux installed

<johanbr> When I called eastlink to order their service and told them I had linux, the response was "No problem, you just need Win 98 or better". :)

<J-_> ah i see. so hopefully, I did the right thing, come next time =D

<tonyyarusso> haha

<tonyyarusso> so you did, no problem right?

<ryanakca> bbl, supper :)

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: How many flyers / CDs had been handed out by the time you left?

<johanbr> tonyyarusso: If you mean me, the installation went without a hitch. The installer actually seemed to know linux pretty well. They have their system set up in a sensible way, though: cable modem with ethernet connection and a normal activation web page that you only need to use once. No USB or PPPOE crap.

<tonyyarusso> johanbr: that's always good.

<Burgwork> pppoe bit me when I went to Ottawa last year

<Burgwork> I forgot about it, as it doesn[t exist on the west coast

<Burgwork> and then they gave me a Bell connection...

<johanbr> Did you get it to work?

<Burgwork> yes, because my laptop had windows on it

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: what's our status on pictures?

<johanbr> I hear one of the goals of the next version of NetworkManager is to make pppoe configuration more friendly.

<J-_> Anyone from Hamilton?

<PFA> J-_: i know someone who knows someone who's from hamilton! :D does that help?

<tonyyarusso> I passed the 2,000 visitors mark, and that's only counting while WordPress was up, not the static time.

* J-_ wonders if there any loco members from Hamilton.. It'd be cool to gather, and hand out some ubuntu discs downtown or something

<J-_> PFA: haha

<J-_> tonyyarusso: holy shite.

<J-_> tonyyarusso: you better be making some cash off that baby =D

<PFA> tonyyarusso: so, turns out i wasn't allowed go downtown

<PFA> since i'm only 10 years old and all :(

<tonyyarusso> J-_: nope

<tonyyarusso> PFA: aargh.

<J-_> tonyyarusso: still good =)

<tonyyarusso> Although, if Cogeco charges me or something that might have been nice. If not I don't care.

<PFA> okay

<PFA> on the wikipedia article for either hypercube or tesseract or fourth dimension or SOMETHING

<PFA> there is this image of a net for a 4d cube

<PFA> and the net is 3d...

<J-_> hmm

<PFA> if we folded a real life 3d net into a 4d cube would we suddenly MELD THE DIMENSIONS and be perfect 4 dimensional beings? :D

<J-_> sounds cool. url?

<PFA> just a sec

<johanbr> J-_: There's some wiki page somewhere listing locations of people involved in ubuntu-ca. Maybe someone else knows the link.

<J-_> johanbr: Cool

<lophyte> hey folks

<PFA> J-_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hcube_fold.gif

<PFA> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tesseract2.png

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: hey there

<J-_> PFA: that's pretty cool

<PFA> lophyte: sorry i couldnt join you

<lophyte> no worries

<PFA> whatall went down?

<PFA> did you get arrested as my mother was SURE would happen

<lophyte> no

<lophyte> as soon as we put up the penguin

<lophyte> (the security guards watched us inflate it)

<lophyte> they walked over and asked us for our permit

<J-_> pfft

<lophyte> we said we didn't have one, so they asked us to move the penguin off of dundas square and on to the sidewalk

<lophyte> then 20 minutes later (4:20pm) two cops showed up

<PFA> did you move it?

<J-_> arrgh

<lophyte> the cops told us we weren't allowed to have the penguin on the sidewalk for safety reasonss

<lophyte> so we talked and talked.. and they called a by-law officer down

<johanbr> J-_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Members

<PFA> so what did you do with it

<lophyte> and the by-law officer informed us that it was illegal

<J-_> it'd be cool to get a suit, put it on and walk around handing out discs!! lol

<lophyte> so we deflated the penguin

<tonyyarusso> good move

<tonyyarusso> But sad

<lophyte> and spent 2 hours handing out CDs and pamphets

<J-_> yeah =(

<lophyte> and we got a really good response

<koi-mobile> my toes are still cold

<J-_> awesome

<J-_> johanbr: thanks

<tonyyarusso> cool beans

<lophyte> Vista had raffle give-aways

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: How many CDs / pamphlets did you get out there?

<lophyte> and a large crowd would gather around

<lophyte> so oncce they announced a winner

<lophyte> and people started filtering away

<lophyte> we were like "didn'

<lophyte> "didn't win a free copy of Vista? how about a free copy of Ubuntu!"

<lophyte> we handed out 75 CDs

<lophyte> not sure how many pamphlets

<tonyyarusso> wow.

<tonyyarusso> That's decent.

<tonyyarusso> btw, my stats are saying that most of the blog hits have been from Windows users, so we got them there too.

<lophyte> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66336472%40N00/377849087/

<lophyte> LOL!

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Is that yours?

<PFA> that penguin looks sad

<johanbr> Did you get any media coverage?

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: We're awaiting pictures whenever they're available.

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: jamonation photoshopped that

<lophyte> johanbr: nope

<tonyyarusso> right

<PFA> i am BORED OUT OF MY MIND

<koi-mobile> hmm

<J-_> OH MAN, how did you get a penguin that size!?

<lophyte> he's 10 feet tall

<Burgwork> lophyte: get any press coverage?

<Burgwork> "10ft penguin towers over MS booth"

<J-_> I just thought of another thing. I live RIGHT near ivor wynne stadium. that'd be an awesome time to give out cd's/pamphlets, have a small conference table type thing during football games.

<J-_> it'd be good to get media coverage too since CH is almost at every game.

<lophyte> Burgwork: unfortunately not

<J-_> have a hotdog stand on the property, along side some ubuntu stuff

<J-_> people eat, and they'll ask questions

<Burgwork> lophyte: you might have gotten some anyway, simply with the penguin there

<tonyyarusso> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tech_knight/sets/72157594514684939/

<johanbr> J-_: Pretty sure you need a bunch of permits for that.

<Burgwork> not certain sports games are the best place to get receptive people

<J-_> Yeah, but if I knew someone with a hotdog stand, it could be relevant.

<Burgwork> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tech_knight/377839325/in/set-72157594514684939/

<lophyte> Burgwork: the penguin was only up for about 20 minutes

<rexbron> woot, one of my packages got accepted into universe

<J-_> seems like a couple thousand pass my house each game

<Burgwork> lophyte: hmm

<Burgwork> lophyte: next time, put it in a truck and park there

<lophyte> hehehe

<lophyte> we were discussing things just now

<lophyte> we're wondering if it'd be worth it to just let them give us a ticket and keep going

<Burgwork> plus then you can use the truck to run the convertor and keep it inflated

<Burgwork> how much was a ticket?

<lophyte> I don't know

<tonyyarusso> I like the Digg comment that suggested we have a friendly snowball fight with the MS folks.

<lophyte> hahaha

<johanbr> Or say that the penguin is a religious symbol and that there'll be religious-freedom lawsuits filed if they take it down. :)

<J-_> bahaha

<lophyte> it was fun

<johanbr> lophyte: Did anyone from MS talk to you?

<lophyte> nope

<lophyte> just security and police

<J-_> =\

<J-_> convince anyone to go from ms to Ubuntu?

<lophyte> not sure

<lophyte> most people we talked to seemed interested

<J-_> nice

<tonyyarusso> Sounds like we at the very least gained massive mindshare, if not market share yet.

<johanbr> Any other Vista events in Canada - Montreal, Vancouver, etc?

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: indeed.

<Burgwork> johanbr: afaik, no

<Burgwork> or they were quiet affairs

<lophyte> pics are coming, folks

<tonyyarusso> good, good

<lophyte> we might go back tomorrow.. need to burn off more CDs

<Burgwork> http://www.microsoft.com/canada/technet/events/default.aspx

<lophyte> http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=474

<Burgwork> lets try for a permit next time

<lophyte> $2900/day for a dundas square permit

<Burgwork> ah

<Burgwork> ouch

<Burgwork> non-profit discount?

<lophyte> MS is paying like $6000/day for it

<Burgwork> then it has to be the truck

<lophyte> $2900, plus kilowattage for power, plus a permit for using a loudspeaker, etc.

<tonyyarusso> If you haven't seen it yet, funny: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20071832660125.gif

<Burgwork> drive around with a sign that says "follow me to computing freedom"

<PFA> lophyte: fundraising!!!

<PFA> we can have a bake sale!!! i'll make cookies! :D

<PFA> lophyte: if you're going back tomorrow let me know. my mom actually said to me that if it had been tomorrow she would have just come with me, but she was busy today.

<tonyyarusso> Nice pics.

<Burgwork> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Microsoft+Canada+Ice+House&btnG=Search&meta=

<tonyyarusso> _still_ managing to hold a front page spot

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: same goes for the exact search terms McKay used - http://www.google.ca/search?q=linux+ice+house+toronto&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

<tonyyarusso> I think Google is anti-algorithming me, btw.

<Burgwork> could be

<tonyyarusso> That started before today though.

<tonyyarusso> After my first post hit planet and skyrocketed, it then became noticably subdued suddenly, and now doesn't show up for some combinations of terms that it should.

<lophyte> I'm not sure if we're going back

<tonyyarusso> Andrew McKay hasn't posted a retraction yet.

<lophyte> we want to set up a meeting with McKay

<lophyte> Jane is going to email him to try and set up a meeting

<lophyte> to discuss our reaction to his article

<lophyte> and how unprofessional it was

<Burgwork> mckay?

<Burgwork> got a link?

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> one sec

<lophyte> http://www.crncanada.ca/content/software/opinion-this-publicity-li.shtml

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: http://www.crncanada.ca/

<lophyte> he didn't even bother to interview us or ask us about it... he just pulled things he thought sounded good and bashed the hell out of us

<tonyyarusso> He pulled all of the worst too.

<lophyte> and mis-quoted

<Burgwork> wow, ouch

<tonyyarusso> If you actually look at the google result he used, it's mostly fine.

<lophyte> NOBODY said "we'll fihgt back if the cops punk us around"

<tonyyarusso> It was very disappointing.

<lophyte> but he quotes us as saying that

<Burgwork> ouch front page

<lophyte> the TLUG folks were up in arms as well

<lophyte> also under the impression that we were going to cause a disturbance

<tonyyarusso> "punk" doesn't even show up in the archives linked too.

<lophyte> I know

<lophyte> I searched for punk

<tonyyarusso> Bad, bad journalism that one.

<Burgwork> should I bother emailing him?

<lophyte> tony emailed him

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: I already did

<Burgwork> I will do it as well

<lophyte> Jane is going to email him to set up a meeting between him, Jane, djp and I

<tonyyarusso> copied to the ML also

<Burgwork> I carry the "leader" tag

<lophyte> indeed

<lophyte> you should

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Yes.

<lophyte> koi-mobile: you were down there, right?

<Burgwork> as Jane carries "Canonical COO one"

<lophyte> sorry for my ignorance.. I didn't catch peoples names, who were you?

<lophyte> hmm?

<lophyte> Jane carries what?

* lophyte thinks we're talking about different Janes

<tonyyarusso> Thankfully, his article gets squat love from Google.

<Burgwork> you talking CJA?

<Burgwork> or silbs?

<lophyte> I'm talking about Jane Zhang

<lophyte> ubuntu toronto member

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: any estimate on pamphlet numbers? I'm curious.

<lophyte> we printed off 500...

<Burgwork> ah

<tonyyarusso> and still have?

<lophyte> I'd say we handed out... 150?

<lophyte> I'm not counting them, I still have a large stack

<tonyyarusso> all right, respectable

<tonyyarusso> Nothing preventing those from being used for a future event too.

<lophyte> hehe, just said that :)

<PFA> whos andrew mckay

<tonyyarusso> PFA: (bad) editorial writer

<Burgwork> the editor of CRN

<Burgwork> a fairly well respected tech paper

<J-_> is there pamphlet paper, or did you jsut fold/cut A4 sheets?

<Burgwork> I think RN stands for reseller news

<tonyyarusso> I'd expect better from something like that, honestly.

<lophyte> its standard Letter paper

<J-_> lophyte: cool

<PFA> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_account_opening worst wikipedia article evar :S

<PFA> anyway will someone let me know if anythings going on tomorrow?

<ryanakca> lophyte: how is that just 10ft? I would've thought it's more like 15 feet

<PFA> where did you GET a penguin that big anyway

<rexbron> PFA: we are thinking going back tomorrow

<lophyte> nope, its 10ft

<lophyte> give or take a foot

<lophyte> PFA: david had it custom made

<rexbron> PFA: djp commisoned it

<PFA> oooh

<PFA> sounds expensive

<rexbron> lol lophyte

<lophyte> rumour has it he paid roughly $500

<J-_> wow

<J-_> expensive

<PFA> OH MAN

<tonyyarusso> sooooo worth it

<PFA> i just remembered that one of my friends from school uses ubuntu >D

<J-_> If i had that blown up in my house, I think i'd be in a better mood everyday, *chuckles* penguins rock!

<ryanakca> lophyte: heh

<ryanakca> yeah... 500$ ain't cheap...

<PFA> the way linus torvalds talks about penguins is muchas creepy

<J-_> tre worth it.

<J-_> anyone know of any open source music?

<ryanakca> J-_: dunno? open source music?

<PFA> J-_: i know there's somebody around on freenode who has their own band.... and uses ubuntu...

<tonyyarusso> I've heard of, but don't have any good bookmarks really, unless you're into classical, in which case it's just public domain.

<J-_> haha

<PFA> i forget his name. i should remember since he gave me an email account on his site :X

<J-_> nice

<ryanakca> lol

<johanbr> There's Stallman's "Free Software Song". :)

<PFA> how would open source music work anyway?

<ryanakca> dunno

<johanbr> There's apparently quite a lot of Creative Commons-licensed music, but I've never listened to any of it.

<tonyyarusso> johanbr: oh god...that things is terrible

<ryanakca> hmm... I think the Essence project is CC

<J-_> hrm

<koi-mobile> sorry bout the delay

<koi-mobile> but yes i was lophyte

<Burgwork> should I ask for a public retraction? lophyte, tonyyarusso?

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: I would suggest it at least. Don't seem like you're demanding one, but that you'd appreciate it given that things went off without a hitch, as predicted in my message to him earlier.

<somerville32> tonyyarusso, Any updates?

<tonyyarusso> 404 Diggs.

<J-_> PFA: I think it'd be the type of file it was, and how the copyright is, whether it be CC or not

<tonyyarusso> somerville32: Server is up and running fine. We're starting to get some pictures back.

<tonyyarusso> somerville32: No media though.

<PFA> to me open source sort of implies open contribution

<somerville32> tonyyarusso, Where are the pictures?

<lophyte> Burgwork: I'd say yeah.

<lophyte> koi-mobile: who were you?

<koi-mobile> i had the lap top and no hat

<koi-mobile> and frozen fingers

<tonyyarusso> somerville32: http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=474

<wikityler> Wow. that is a Huge tux!

<somerville32> Were there a lot of interest in Ubuntu?

<J-_> PFA: Yeah for sure, how would ubuntu studio work? would that music have to be CC since it's used on OS software?

<somerville32> How many cds got handed out?

<Burgwork> J-_: no

<lophyte> hrm, a few people had laptops, lol

<J-_> Burgwork: cool

<lophyte> somerville32: 75

<PFA> J-_: no idea

<lophyte> somerville32: 90% of people had heard about Linux and/or Ubuntu

<koi-mobile> i had green pants

<Burgwork> J-_: any more than an office document on Ubuntu would need to be CC

<somerville32> lophyte, Were people receptive?

<lophyte> yup, I'd say so

<lophyte> people seemed interested in what we had to say

<Burgwork> ok, sent

<PFA> i think it might be interesting to bring a pamphlet about problems with closed source/ vista specifically

<PFA> if someone could make that up by tomorrow if youre going

<lophyte> PFA: we decided not

<PFA> lophyte: why

<lophyte> we're focusing on the pros of open source, not the cons of microsoft

<somerville32> http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=504 <-- Is this gimped?

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: copied to ML or no?

<lophyte> somerville32: it sure is

<Burgwork> tonyyarusso: nope, private

<tonyyarusso> k

<Burgwork> I want him to be able to save face and post it in private, but I did ask for a public retraction on crncanada.ca

<somerville32> lophyte, Did anyone show resentment?

<Burgwork> ok, I am off for the weekend

<lophyte> somerville32: nope.

<lophyte> if they weren't interested, they just shook their head and walked on

<tonyyarusso> good

<somerville32> lophyte, Did it seem like a lot of the people visiting the house were interested in your guy's display?

<ryanakca> who owns the big penguin in http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=504

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: djp

<somerville32> Which one is djp?

<tonyyarusso> David J. Patrick

<ryanakca> or no.. on the left... that one isn't 10'...

<tonyyarusso> owner of Linuxcaffe

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: that one's Gimped

<ryanakca> ah

<lophyte> somerville32: they had raffles giving away free copies of Vista, drawing in large crowds...

<lophyte> so once they announced a winner

<somerville32> tonyyarusso, "Which one is djp?"

<somerville32> lophyte, hehe

<lophyte> people filtered away... we approached them saying "didn't win a copy of Vista? how about a free copy of Linux?"

<lophyte> and they seemed interested

<somerville32> hehe

<tonyyarusso> somerville32: in the pictures you mean? The one that posed with the penguin alone, slightly scraggly sort of but short beard, wiry face

<somerville32> tonyyarusso, link?

<somerville32> lophyte, Were the Microsoft people nice?

<somerville32> Did they share their hot coco? :)

<beholder> Read about your event today on Digg, excellent work :)

<lophyte> beholder: thanks :)

<lophyte> beholder: we may be back tomorrow!

<lophyte> not sure yet.

<somerville32> You so should!!

<tonyyarusso> somerville32: http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=495

<lophyte> somerville32: we never talked to the MS people

<lophyte> except

<lophyte> djp went over to the group of them behind the house

<tonyyarusso> beholder: thankee

<ryanakca> lophyte: you don't have anything to loose really...

<beholder> I didn't even know you guys existed. I run the Barrie Linux Users Group, would one of you guys be interested in doing a really in-depth Ubuntu presentation to the group one month?

<lophyte> and asked "would you like a free copy of Linux?"

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> What did they say?

<lophyte> and they said "no, would you like a copy of Vista?"

<somerville32> lol

<lophyte> and he says "no, sorry, it won't run on my 2 year old machine"

<lophyte> beholder: sure!

<somerville32> haha

<somerville32> lophyte, Welp... you now know what you must do

* somerville32 points lophyte towards UWN 30.

<ryanakca> lophyte: I would've said sure!

<ryanakca> and then sold it on ebay for 200$

<ryanakca> bundled with an ubuntu livecd

<somerville32> :)

<somerville32> http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=492 <-- Who are the police talking to?

<lophyte> somerville32: that's an unmarked police car

<lophyte> I believe that was the by-law officer

<somerville32> ah

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: yeah, we'll talk re: UWN later :)

<beholder> We've been giving out tons of Ubuntu CD's every meeting since the 5.04 days. When we started it was all Knoppix, but it really stagnated while Ubuntu just kept getting better.

<somerville32> You should have got some action shots

<lophyte> beholder: nice :)

<somerville32> (Item of Interest: http://www.nvidiaclassaction.org/)

<PFA> hey, you know ubuntu ultimate edition?

<ryanakca> nope :)

<PFA> oh. ghey.

<PFA> or um.

<tonyyarusso> Down to #14 - almost off the front page

<PFA> did not mean to say that. :X sorry.

* ryanakca gets his Server set up

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: :(

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: We made a damn good run though

<ryanakca> yeah

<somerville32> What puts it on the front page?

<tonyyarusso> And the hits are still coming - I'm watching them

* ryanakca doesn't think we'll get on /.

<ryanakca> somerville32: the digs

<tonyyarusso> somerville32: derivative of # Diggs

<tonyyarusso> I think.

<tonyyarusso> Or, an algorithm of that and age

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: It's not really /.'s style

<ryanakca> no...

<tonyyarusso> Our trend graph is leveling off, but not completely yet. http://duggtrends.com/diggmirror/page/4.aspx

<beholder> So did the news organizations you invited show up?

<PFA> you should TOTALLY get CityNews to do it

<tonyyarusso> nope :(

<tonyyarusso> PFA: We tried

<ryanakca> beholder: nope :(

<PFA> CityTV always shows stuff that isn't really news

<ryanakca> yeah

<PFA> oh :(

<beholder> The best we've done is a newspaper story for one of our installfests

* ryanakca hit every news thing in toronto

<beholder> It's pretty hard to get any media coverage for these types of events

<ryanakca> newspapers, tvs.... didn't think of radio though

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> We sent a press release to CityNews, CBC, Global, CTV, Globe & Mail, Sun, Star, um...who else?

<ryanakca> that's it I think

<tonyyarusso> .........

<tonyyarusso> why does my script detect jamonation as being ON Vista??

<PFA> you should do The Metro

<PFA> or 24

<PFA> (the free ones)

<PFA> (that are by ttc stops)

<PFA> (i heart the metro :D)

<tonyyarusso> http://www.spotlighttoronto.com/forum/showthread.php?p=268878#post268878

<beholder> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic

<beholder> Interesting and relevant :)

<tonyyarusso> I like the post right after - "I've only got 10 minutes to make a 1 hour drive to get those CDs!

<ryanakca> lol

<tonyyarusso> also http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33881598

<tonyyarusso> and http://glozer.net/trendy/

<tonyyarusso> and http://www.pnwriders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28494

<lophyte> back

<tonyyarusso> and http://www.getpedia.com/index.php?page=5

<tonyyarusso> holy shit....

<tonyyarusso> "8736 views"

<lophyte> are all those references to us?

<tonyyarusso> From that site alone?

<tonyyarusso> yep

<tonyyarusso> I'm just pulling stuff out of the "referrers" in my stats

<lophyte> nice

<lophyte> since we're getting so many hits on our blogs, we should post about a repeat event tomorrow

<beholder> If you get me the time/place I'll post on the Barrie LUG mailing list as well

<lophyte> excellent :)

<lophyte> we're working on a time

<lophyte> looking at perhaps 2pm

<rexbron> we should post this on the ubuntu forums

<beholder> Not that they'd be interested in more Ubuntu CD's we're still swimming in ShipIt gold :)

<beholder> I think we've had ~300 issued to us up to this point with the various versions, about 85% given away.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: keep me updated. I'm not sure if I'll repeat the post, but maybe as a comment or edit.

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: yeah

<tonyyarusso> I just thought I'd share this little exchange from earlier in the day, because it's really amusing in hindsight. Look at the timestamps, btw.

<tonyyarusso> 14:50 < tonyyarusso> The most I've seen so far is about 3% CPU load, so we're good for a while yet.

<tonyyarusso> 14:52 < tonyyarusso> Whoooaaaa nelly what just happened

<tonyyarusso> 14:52 < tonyyarusso> Holy crap.

<tonyyarusso> 14:52 < tonyyarusso> We FRONTPAGED!!!!!!!!

<tonyyarusso> Under two minutes from A okay to serious strain :S

<beholder> What are you hosting on?

<tonyyarusso> beholder: Ubuntu Server (Edgy) / 1.70 Ghz, 512 MB RAM / home cable connection

<beholder> tonyyarusso: home cable as in rogers?

<tonyyarusso> beholder: cogeco

<lophyte> I'm approaching 400 views

<beholder> How much upload bandwidth they giving you?

<tonyyarusso> beholder: I'd have to look it up

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Views as in counting refreshes or unique visitors?

<tonyyarusso> beholder: up/down 60 Gb

<lophyte> counting refreshes

<tonyyarusso> combined

<lophyte> I haven't bothered coding in unique hits

<beholder> tonyyarusso: That's your monthy cap.

<beholder> tonyyarusso: You probably have about 60k/s upload

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Ah, okay. In that case, NOT counting the half hour / 45 minutes that we were either offline or static HTML instead of stat-collecting WordPress, 8076 .

<beholder> tonyyarusso: I tell people who want to host to go with Execulink or Compusolve on a DSL connect. 80k/s upload, static IP for about $45/month

<tonyyarusso> beholder: "Up to 640 Kbps"

<beholder> tonyyarusso: That's not much upload. Nexia network supports 800kbps uploads

<beholder> tonyyarusso: Not that it would matter today, you got some really huge coverage

<beholder> I've got windows buddies on my IM list sending me this story

<tonyyarusso> beholder: nexia?

<tonyyarusso> beholder: Yeah, most of my visits were from windows users actually

<beholder> tonyyarusso: The DSL infrastructure created by Bell. They had to open it up to competition though.

<tonyyarusso> ah

<tonyyarusso> bell is evil though

<tonyyarusso> 44 visitors who were running Vista themselves.

<beholder> tonyyarusso: Execulink and Compusolve are ISP's who use nexia and provide much better services than symaptico. Like satic IP :)

<tonyyarusso> ah

<tonyyarusso> Also mentioned on http://universejdj.wordpress.com/page/6/

<ryanakca> anybody mind if I update the topic?

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: nope

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: I presume that was a missed tab? since he hasn't said anything in here for... a couple of hours?

<tonyyarusso> ...

<tonyyarusso> yup

<ryanakca> kk

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: no problem

* tonyyarusso beats tab key

*** ryanakca changes topic to "Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam | We're now official and CC approved! Congrats, Canada! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam | Please see #ubuntu-qc for support in French | Operation Cold Comfort was a success! See http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=474 for some pictures :D"

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> bbl

<lophyte> alrighty

<lophyte> tomorrow, 2pm, dundas square.

<tonyyarusso> For sure?

<tonyyarusso> How can you be found without Tux?

<PFA> I WILL BE THERE

<PFA> WITH BELLS ON.

<tonyyarusso> PFA: yay!!!!

<koi-mobile> i can't come i am volunteering helping highschool kids build a robot

<johanbr> Bring the kids. :)

<tonyyarusso> hehe

<koi-mobile> they have to get it finished and tested in two weeks

<koi-mobile> they can't not spend all day on it

<PFA> tonyyarusso: are you coming. come.

<beholder> Sorry to bring the conversation to Ubuntu for a moment... do any of you use Postgres regularly with Ubuntu?

<koi-mobile> *-'t

<johanbr> koi-mobile: Maybe they can build a huge mechanized Tux that will descend on Toronto, Godzilla-style.

<koi-mobile> hmm

<tonyyarusso> PFA: You know, I'm considering, but, aargh. The gasoline would be about $50.

<koi-mobile> i could make a remote controll platform

<koi-mobile> and put my mini inflatable tux on it

<PFA> tonyyarusso: don't you think it's worth it for your Ideology? :D

<tonyyarusso> PFA: almost. Like I said, I'm waffling.

<koi-mobile> are there large ubuntu stickers?

<tonyyarusso> If anyone want to do some sort of "pot to get tony here" I'm game ;)

<lophyte> beholder: I've tried Postgres, but don't use it regularly

<tonyyarusso> koi-mobile: yes. Mark has one on his lappy

<koi-mobile> the tux i have is a corel

<koi-mobile> one with a corel cube

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: a bunch of people handing out flyers and CDs? :)

<koi-mobile> some stickers here and there it will be perfect

<beholder> lophyte: I admin it for a living. Just wondering if anyone had any experience with getting all the 3rd party packages working for it. The replication system (Slony) isn't even in the repos

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: today I had an appt. and such, but tomorrow the only issue is money. $50 is my spending money for like three months...

<PFA> tonyyarusso: how many people would be there for the linux thing?

<tonyyarusso> PFA: ask lophyte

<PFA> lophyte: ^^^ ?

<koi-mobile> how long would you guys be?

<lophyte> a few hours at least

<lophyte> PFA: one sec

<koi-mobile> yah i won't be there

<PFA> cuz i'm thinkin if there's enough, everyone could chip in a few bucks and give it to tonyyarusso when he gets there :D

<tonyyarusso> That would be awesome... I don't want to impose on anybody - just thinking out loud that it would be cool. Too bad there's no shipit for gas eh?

<tonyyarusso> lophyte and djp already sunk money into CDs and printing though.

<PFA> no bus you could take for cheaper than $50 or anything?

<PFA> i'm afraid id ont really know how far away peterborough is

<tonyyarusso> PFA: There is actually, but to get the discount I need an ISIC, which I can get, but don't have yet, and can't get by tomorrow.

<tonyyarusso> With the card, it's $27. without it's $55.

<PFA> ooh :X

<tonyyarusso> I wonder if there's anywhere else that does ISICs?

<PFA> i dont even know what that means

<tonyyarusso> international student identification card

<PFA> oh

<tonyyarusso> Left the front page.

<ryanakca> anybody know of a place that I can get used / old servers that nobody wants anymore?

<ryanakca> hey lophyte

* ryanakca finished registering his domain :)

<lophyte> nice

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: who'd you go with?

<ryanakca> for the domain

<ryanakca> 10dollar.ca

<ryanakca> 10$ for the domain :)

<ryanakca> cheapest I've seen for a .ca

<ryanakca> but registering a .ca is a pain, thanks to the bloody CIRA...

* ryanakca had to accept to CIRA POLICIES, RULES, PROCEDURES, AND AGREEMENT APPLICABLE TO REGISTRANTS AND REGISTRARS (about 15 pages of contract junk) on http://www.cira.ca/en/cat_Registrar.html , amoung other things :S

<ryanakca> but... it's the same for all .ca domains...

* ryanakca will take a .com or .org next time... cheaper, and easier

<Mhz> Hi all

<lophyte> heya

<Mhz> does anyone know what happened with the M$ ice house rampage that was supposed to happen tonight?

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> we handed out 75 CDs and 150-200 leaflets

<Mhz> excellent :)

<lophyte> considering going back tomorrow at 2pm

<Mhz> cool, what was people's reaction generally?

<lophyte> we got a lot of good responses

<lophyte> a lot of people seemed genuinely interested

<lophyte> especially the people who walked away from the Vista ice house without winning a copy of Vista

<lophyte> and we offered them a free Ubuntu CD instead

<Mhz> haha

<Mhz> yeah

<Mhz> Vista is not worth buying anyway

<lophyte> nope

<lophyte> it really isn't

<Mhz> I did not see it yet but all I hear is about graphical goodies and it's super cpu and memory intensive

<tonyyarusso> Em3rald wants to know if we can get our hands on a cheap laptop preloaded with Ubuntu to raffle off.

<johanbr> And they had all these features planned, like a database file system, that they had to rip out half way and rethink their goals. I really believe this shows how inferior the proprietary development model is.

<tonyyarusso> Probably not for this event, but something to consider for the future rather. We might need a lottery & gaming license to do it.

<johanbr> tonyyarusso: Can't you get around it the way the big guys do and have a "skill testing question" ?

<PFA> do you think windows would be better if it had a faster release cycle?

<tonyyarusso> johanbr: No idea. He suggested we just ask what the rules are and find out.

<tonyyarusso> PFA: It's already betas on the shelf as it is.

<johanbr> PFA: I know some people who (used to) work for Microsoft and according to them, Microsoft is a mess. One hand barely knows what the other hand is doing. I think that's the main problem.

<lophyte> johanbr: that's what I've heard.

<johanbr> Apparently, each separate coding team has its own branch of the code that they work on and every once in a while there's a great big merge and then all hell breaks loose.

<Mhz> merging code is definitely something that must be done very often to reduce the chances of collision

<Mhz> collisions happen in very small teams, so I guess that in a big corporation like microsoft, it must be hellish

<lophyte> yup

<Mhz> is anyone up for a minute of tech support?

<Mhz> after a certain update my menu bar got all screwed up, also Open Office, Totem, and a couple more applications started crashing and it doesn't seem to go away

<Mhz> I read somewhere that other people had the same problem

<Mhz> does anyone know if there's a fix for that?

<johanbr> Mhz: Which menu bar, exactly?

<Mhz> well, the top one with the drop down menus, the clock and quick launch icons

<Mhz> it works fine, but the buttons and menus got shuffled

<johanbr> Okay. What's printed if you run totem from a terminal? Does it crash?

<Mhz> sure did; I switch to totem-xine in the mean time, but I can switch back to totem-gstreamer if you need that info

<Mhz> other applications crash also, like amarok: Floating point exception (core dumped)

<johanbr> Mhz: Well, that's a pretty obvious bug in the update. Which packages did you update when this started happening?

<Mhz> I wish I knew...

<Mhz> unfortunately I did not realize it made that much damage at that time

<wikityler> my system is crashing often too, when using amarok, akregator, and flash

<Mhz> I saw it when I rebooted and I did not think to check for that back then

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Guy on ML who wished he could come - mentioned you were planning on tomorrow too

<johanbr> Mhz: Could libc6 have been one of them?

<Mhz> would synaptic tell me if I have that installed?

<Mhz> apparently it does

<Mhz> sorry for the lame question

<johanbr> Mhz: Well, it'd definitely be installed but a buggy libc6 update could cause the sort of problems you're seeing.

<Mhz> ok, and are there any chances that an uninstall fixes the problem?

<johanbr> You really don't want to uninstall libc6, 99% of all your programs would no longer be able to run.

<Mhz> ah

<Mhz> right...

<johanbr> Was this is an update to Edgy?

<Mhz> actually if I remember correctly, the update to edgy went fine

<Mhz> however, it might be an update not long after the update to edgy

<johanbr> I didn't express myself very well - what I meant was if it's part of edgy-updates, i.e. you were running Edgy before and you're still running Edgy, it's just that a few packages were updated?

<Mhz> I wish I could find a solution because now I have to boot into windows to do my accounting stuff... :(

<Mhz> perhaps

<Mhz> I usually do all the recommended updates

<Madpilot> greetings

<Madpilot> so, who got arrested in TO? Did Big Tux maim many Microsofties? Inquiring minds want to know!

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Tux had to come down, but the people were fine.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: http://jamon.ca/main.php?g2_itemId=474 for pictures

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: My blog frontpaged on Digg

<johanbr> Mhz: A log of the update might be in /var/log/dpkg.log . Do you see anything towards the end of that file that looks like the update you did?

<Madpilot> cool - did your server melt?

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: 75 CDs and 150-200 pamphlets handed out

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Yes, temporarily. I got it back up.

<tonyyarusso> Hits are still coming in actually.

<tonyyarusso> not a lot though

<Madpilot> The cops hate penguins, huh?

<Mhz> apparently not everyone agrees with the event: http://www.crncanada.ca/content/software/opinion-this-publicity-li.shtml

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: It was only the spike at the moment it got to the front page that did it in (that #1 spot is a killer). After that rush died (since it was unavailable...) then it was all fine, and we only had like 70-97% CPU load for a couple hours after that ;)

<Madpilot> Mhz, that twit's column got posted to the ML a while ago - and entertainingly rebutted by several people

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Your brother sent him a personal note, btw.

<Madpilot> now we see if that guy's got the cojones to write a more honest followup column...

<tonyyarusso> Mhz: It should be noted that he doesn't even maintain journalistic integrity. Some of that is blatantly misquoted, and the rest taken out of context. I'm very disappointed.

<tonyyarusso> That's what we suggested, yes.

<PFA> everyone i know is retarded

<koi> dang power

*** koi is now known as koi-mobile

<Mhz> johanbr: the package libc6 appears a couple of times in the log files

<dimeo> wtf .. how on earth could the cops ban the tux?

<dimeo> what insane law was violated there?

<dimeo> it's too cute?

<johanbr> Mhz: At the right time?

<johanbr> I mean, at the time you did the upgrade.

<tonyyarusso> dimeo: Too large.

<tonyyarusso> dimeo: (I still think MS slipped them a few under the table, but hey)

<Mhz> hard to say as I don't really know when it started

<Mhz> I would say that it happened before that date

<Mhz> when was edgy released?

<dimeo> subsection C of the municipal code? " all inflatable penguins are to be 5 cubic inches maximum" or face the penalty of getting popped?

<tonyyarusso> haha

<johanbr> Mhz: October 2006.

<johanbr> Mid-october, I think.

<Mhz> something like that

<Mhz> hey, I think I filed a bug for totem, I could trace the date back

<tonyyarusso> Mhz: October 26th.

<tonyyarusso> Someone correct me if I'm wrong - that's from memory.

<PFA> yup, that was it

<PFA> i remember cuz it was my crazy lesbian stalker's birthday

<dimeo> I think I'm gonna write a note to David Miller that rants on about penguin permits

<PFA> hahahaha! yes

<PFA> there should be an exception for penguins! :D

<johanbr> Who's David Miller? The kernel hacker?

<PFA> :S

<PFA> the mayor of toronto

<Mhz> I filed the bug for totem on the 24th of November 2006

<Mhz> so it must have been around that time

<johanbr> Mhz: Oh, you've already filed a bug for this? Do you have a link?

<Mhz> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355793

<Mhz> I'm #42

<dimeo> anyone around tonight from KW area?

<Mhz> I realize that I made a mistake: I actually use totem-gstreamer

<Mhz> it's totem-xine that I had trouble with

<johanbr> Mhz: Okay, I just saw that. I bet it's libxine that's buggy - both Amarok and Totem-xine use that.

<johanbr> Mhz: Which version do you have installed now? ("apt-cache policy libxine1")

<johanbr> Also, do you have an ATI graphics card with the fglrx driver?

<Mhz> http://rafb.net/p/Cblf3v34.html

<Mhz> and yes, I have a radeon 9800 with fglrx

<Mhz> what is really weird is that Open Office stopped working at the same time...

<Mhz> johanbr: do you think it could all have the same root cause?

<johanbr> Mhz: It seemed like many (all?) of the people who reported that bug had ATI cards with fglrx. I'm thinking it's a bug in fglrx that gets triggered by libxine (or possibly the other way around).

<Mhz> johanbr: could be

<Mhz> sounds possible

<Mhz> and since any graphical application uses the display, it makes sense

<johanbr> Mhz: Can you try the radeon graphics driver and see if Amarok runs? I think that driver should work with your card.

<Mhz> can I get that from synaptic?

<johanbr> Mhz: Yes, but it's probably already installed.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Our hosting request was answered.

<Madpilot> tonyyarusso, for ubuntu.ca? sweet.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: The details were sent to your brother and they're waiting for him to talk to them about updating DNS when ready.

* tonyyarusso probably knows before Corey even ;)

<Madpilot> excellent. how'd you find out, anyway?

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I subscribed to the support ticket, so LP e-mailed me.

<Madpilot> good - I forgot to subscribe to that

<tonyyarusso> We should start asking around to see what exactly we want to do with this site now.

<Madpilot> the basic philosophy isn't going to change - commit no duplication :)

<Madpilot> I would like a CMS, and some sort of photo gallery might be nice (tho there is always flickr & others...)

<tonyyarusso> I'd like to follow up more on whether people are interested in a Planet.

<tonyyarusso> did you have a cms in mind?

<Mhz> johanbr: ok, where were we?

<Mhz> the radeon driver

<Madpilot> tonyyarusso, not really - and yeah, a planet ubuntu.ca would be kind of cool

<Mhz> gf went to bed, now we can talk ;)

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: 'k, guess you have some research to do then ;)

<Madpilot> will let Corey do the research

<Madpilot> </lazy>

<tonyyarusso> bum

<tonyyarusso> :P

<johanbr> Mhz: For the radeon driver, you need to make some changes to xorg.conf. They're outlined in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#head-7e2283943de094f4c373154f2e8178bfa9374050 . Before you make any changes, make sure you back up the old xorg.conf so you can get back to a working configuration if you run into trouble. I'm going to bed now, but most days I'm in this channel for at least a couple of hours if you need more help.

<Mhz> okidoki

<Mhz> thanks for help and ttyl

<johanbr> You're welcome. Good night.

<tonyyarusso> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/31316

<tonyyarusso> Good news is Evan's not going to get on my nerves any more...

<tonyyarusso> "I practically begged folks to be part of the larger community"? Um, no you didn't. You harassed us. grr.

<Madpilot> you left out the parts about being insulting & condescending, as well as harassing...

<tonyyarusso> Right, that too.

<PFA> eh

<PFA> looks like i wont be going tomorrow

<PFA> not that anyone cares too much :D

<tonyyarusso> PFA: aww, why?

<PFA> because i always forget how far it is to yonge from my house on the subway

<PFA> and i am exhausted and it's going to be -13

<PFA> and to be VERY blunt i don't want to go alone, especially to hang out with a bunch of guys older than me :/ i just think it would be mega-awkward

<tonyyarusso> I thought your mom was coming with?

<tonyyarusso> And that you had a friend from school?

<PFA> my mom thought it would be later in the day

<PFA> turns out she has something to do in the afternoon

<PFA> and the guy from school has a DATE

<PFA> of all things

<PFA> and even if my mom did come, i don't want her to drive downtown and stand around at a distance being all awkward

<PFA> that's just not fair to her

<tonyyarusso> Why at a distance? Can't be seen with your mum?

<PFA> well, *i* wouldn't care

<PFA> but she's very afraid of embarrassing me

<PFA> and she doesn't have much in common with linux geeks :P

<dimeo> does she know how to turn a pc on?

<dimeo> or want to learn?

<PFA> dimeo: she's as shy as a mouse :P the point is i dont think im going to go

<Madpilot> night all - congrats again to the TO team for siccing Tux on the Microsofties

<lophyte> hey all

<ryanakca> hey lophyte

<lophyte> heya

<ryanakca> what's up?

<ryanakca> heading back out again today?

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> 3pm

<ryanakca> hehe... still no press I presume?

<ryanakca> CBC will almost definitly be no-show, since it's a weekday news type thing (in kingston anyway)... CTV... probably not... only thing I can think that would show up is CityTV or the papers

<ryanakca> Write an editorial/open letter for the paper about linux... that's a good way to get some people

<lophyte> good idea

<lophyte> we're probably going to send the video in to the media too

<rexbron> lophyte: 2:00 right?

<lophyte> 3

<lophyte> need more time to burn discs

<lophyte> if you can burn some, please do

<dimeotane> u TO folx are so active... wish there were meetings in the Golden triangle area

<dimeotane> I think ubuntu-ca has almost 10 ppl listed in this area

<dimeotane> I just loved the 10ft penguin pix

<lophyte> dimeotane: you guys should start something up in your area :)

<rexbron> lophyte: superkaramba had a massive memory leake at up 1.5gb of swap

<tonyyarusso> I think one of the areas we need to work on as a team is making sure people know how many people there actually are in their area and coordinating.

<lophyte> yeah, good call

<lophyte> alright

<lophyte> rexbron: I'm heading over to the caffe

<lophyte> should be down at the square around 3

<rexbron> ok see you there

<rexbron> got to love usb 2.0, and tranfering files at 15Mb/s.... ahh backups

* rexbron is getting a rackmount server from the hospital (minus harddrive)

<tonyyarusso> garnered another mention: http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/3677

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: specs?

<rexbron> tonyyarusso: dont know, but its fairly good I would assume

<rexbron> I will not argue with anyone giving away free good hardware

<tonyyarusso> 'course not

<tonyyarusso> If it's decent, I might want one....

<tonyyarusso> I think my ISP might have noticed the digging

<rexbron> lol

<rexbron> they may send you a letter

<rexbron> WFT mate?!

<rexbron> silly bug in k3b,

<rexbron> it can not burn files larger than 4bg

<rexbron> gb

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: More the WTF mate?!

<rexbron> so looks like i need to compile from source

<tonyyarusso> It violated AUP to have a server ;)

<rexbron> yup

<rexbron> rogers portscans you

<rexbron> then cuts you off

<rexbron> that is why a router is a good thing

<tonyyarusso> What could I do with the router, btw?

<rexbron> say it was someone else?

<rexbron> they hacked my wireles

<tonyyarusso> If 80 on the router goes to like 82 or something on the comp does it pass the portscan?

<rexbron> ....

<tonyyarusso> they _hacked_ your wireless?

<rexbron> I do not thinkso

<tonyyarusso> That's not even legal is it?

<rexbron> it is illegal to connect to a network to do not have permission to be on

<rexbron> its like tresspassing and breaking and entering

<tonyyarusso> That's what I thought.

<tonyyarusso> Here's the info they would have gotten:

<tonyyarusso> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://blog.tonyyarusso.com

<tonyyarusso> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=blog.tonyyarusso.com

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: How do you use the router to your advantage?

<rexbron> umm you can block people there...

<rexbron> I am talking out of my ass

<tonyyarusso> ah

<rexbron> yup

<tonyyarusso> I don't think you can simultaneously block people and have a public server.

<rexbron> basically, don't host your own stuff, or talk to jamonation

<rexbron> he has some tricks

<tonyyarusso> cool

<tonyyarusso> when's he usually around?

<johanbr> Firewall all IP blocks belonging to your own ISP. :)

<tonyyarusso> johanbr: That would block our like a third of the national population.

<matjan> how did things go yesterday in toronto?

<tonyyarusso> matjan: 80 CDs and about 200 pamphlets handed out, people were generally receptive, overall good, although the police told them to take down Tux.

<matjan> ok... sounds good

<dimeotane> ubotu, tell me about love please

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about love please - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<dimeotane> !love

<ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.

<matjan> tonyyarusso, did someone from M$ come out of their ice house to check what was going on?

<tonyyarusso> matjan: no, just the security for the venue

<matjan> pussies ;-)

<djp_> hi

<tonyyarusso> djp_: hey

<djp_> got your long johns on ?

<djp_> seeya at 3?

<tonyyarusso> Well, I don't, but I hope everyone who could make it to TO does.

<djp_> me gotta go !

<djp_> bye all

<tonyyarusso> I've concluded I can't quite justify the $50 in gasoline to get there :(

<tonyyarusso> enjoy

<djp_> suit yourself ;-)

<tonyyarusso> If I were employed, I'd so be there.

<tonyyarusso> We have now moved to Digg page 3 :(

<lophyte> hey all

<tonyyarusso> hey

*** lophyte changes topic to "Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam | We're now official and CC approved! Congrats, Canada! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam | Please see #ubuntu-qc for support in French | Operation Cold Comfort v2: Join us, Dundas Square in Toronto, 3pm today!"

<johanbr> Does anyone know if there's wireless in Dundas Square? Any chance of a live account of the happening?

<johanbr> Oh, yeah, isn't there that Toronto-wide wireless thing?

<lophyte> there probably is

<lophyte> but its -25C with the windchill today

<johanbr> Ouch!

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: you think I should do a blog post summarizing the event, or should I wait until after today's run?

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: after. Nobody will read it in the next 60 minutes, and having the full scoop would be better.

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: good idea

<lophyte> mylesbraithwaite: you coming down?

<mylesbraithwaite> no i have to take care of my brother today i could come afterwords thought how late are you going to stay

<ryanakca> who's going down other than lophyte?

<tonyyarusso> djp is going again

* ryanakca just came in from shovelling his driveway... and it's cold... and the snow will probably mess up your laptops...

* ryanakca can't see the house across the street it's snowing so much

<tonyyarusso> no snow here

<tonyyarusso> well, on the ground yes, not in the air

<PFA> oooh, it got moved to 3?

<PFA> i might show up then :)

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: hmm... peterborough... east or west of Kingston? between Toronto & Kingston? or past?

<ryanakca> PFA: nice :)

<lophyte> mylesbraithwaite: no idea, could be 45 mins, could be 2 hours

<lophyte> we don't have many CDs

<PFA> i have a few CDs

<PFA> only like 7 though

<lophyte> but yes, its djp and I for the most part

<lophyte> whatever helps :D

<lophyte> I've only got 7 here

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: West of Kingston, East of Toronto. North on the 115 from Bowmanville, which is just East of Oshawa.

<ryanakca> yeah..

<PFA> ooh, synaptic's getting updated :|

* ryanakca remembers visiting the bowmanville zoo a couple of years ago

<PFA> you know

<PFA> i really want to get Ubuntu Ultimate Edition

<lophyte> lmao

<PFA> but my computer's so crappy there's like no point

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: djp sent another announcement to CTV today

<ryanakca> Ubuntu Ultimate Edition^

<lophyte> and I'm going to call the citytv newsdesk

<PFA> like half the stuff it does, my computer can't do anyway

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: good

* ryanakca keeps getting confused between the keyboard maps he uses

<ryanakca> s/^/?

<PFA> oh

<PFA> it's just um these people who made a version of ubuntu with all kinds of cool stuff preinstalled and extra cursors and wallpapers and stuff

<PFA> and it has beryl by default i think

<PFA> nice but not worth it on an old comp like mine

<lophyte> ubuntu vista? :P

<ryanakca> lol

<PFA> sort of i guess :)

<lophyte> ugh.. the movie wallpapers in Vista bother me

<lophyte> I mean.. movie wallpapers were possible before anyway

<lophyte> but the fact that they're advertising it bothers me

<tonyyarusso> They had movie wallpapers in XGL last spring.

<lophyte> its a severe waste of resources

<ryanakca> yeah

<lophyte> mylesbraithwaite: how's the video editing coming?

<lophyte> mylesbraithwaite: can you have a first draft ready to screen on Wednesday?

* ryanakca likes beryl... but... it uses up way too much ram...

<PFA> so who all is going to be there? just you and djp, lophyte?

<lophyte> PFA: so far

<lophyte> rexbron is coming

<lophyte> I think its just the 3 of us

<lophyte> I invited Borden and Kim King from the mailing list as well

<PFA> i might show up, but i'm still debating

<PFA> because it's going to be UBER cold and i'd have to spend more time on the subway than i would there

<lophyte> well, just look for either 1) a big penguin, or 2) a bunch of crazies handing out flyers

<tonyyarusso> Wear a coat weenie.

<tonyyarusso> It's not too cold to go out at a mere -25 WITH windchill, I mean seriously.

<ryanakca> PFA: it's called winter :)

<tonyyarusso> You trying to be a lame southerner or something?

<PFA> actually it's -9

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: The penguin's going?

<PFA> and i don't care if it's "called winter"

<lophyte> yup

<PFA> doesn't mean i have to like it

<lophyte> with sandbags this time

<tonyyarusso> -9 doesn't even need a coat.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: what's the plan?

<ryanakca> PFA: move to timmins... -40 winters...

<lophyte> sandbags == no safety concern

<PFA> ryanakca: see, that's why i DON'T move to timmins.

* ryanakca found that really cold... can you say frostbite?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: My grandma's hometown = -60

<lophyte> the police were concerned that Tux would blow over on to the road, or become airborne

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: brrr...

<PFA> i've had frostbite before. it's not nice.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Oh, they thought it would blow away?

<lophyte> so if he's anchored down with sandbags.. no problem :)

<tonyyarusso> Good call.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: I thought it was b/c it was in the way.

<ryanakca> lophyte: have you cleared it with them first?

<lophyte> also

<ryanakca> or do you have to?

<lophyte> there's a spot across the street

<lophyte> that's much larger, and public

<lophyte> its sort of the "designated crazies-handing-things-out" area

<lophyte> we're gonna deploy him there

<tonyyarusso> Even better. Backups good.

<ryanakca> kk

<lophyte> also

<lophyte> djp is willing to take a $150-$200 ticket from them.. instant publicity

<tonyyarusso> wow

<lophyte> he said he couldn't pay for the kind of publicity that would cause

<tonyyarusso> Not sure if that's wise, depending on specifics of the rules

<ryanakca> how does that mean publicity?

<lophyte> not sure.. ask him :)

<lophyte> he's the crazy willing to take the ticket.

<ryanakca> yeah

* ryanakca would think it's more of negative publicity

<lophyte> his point is, though, that Tux was *not* in the way

<lophyte> people had no problems getting by

<lophyte> the police's concern was that we were stealing Microsoft's thunder

<ryanakca> "Crazy People With Peguin gets fined 200$"

<lophyte> she even said that

<lophyte> but their official reason was "safety concerns"

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: really? On tape?

<ryanakca> lophyte: screw microsoft... why would it matter... you have just as much of a right being there as they do

<lophyte> I'm pretty sure its on tape

<tonyyarusso> It better be.

<tonyyarusso> I want that clip.

<lophyte> the officer said "they paid to be here, and you're stealing their thunder", or something to that effect

<tonyyarusso> good

<ryanakca> lophyte: saweet... can he/she say "bye bye job"

<ryanakca> :D

<lophyte> they also have multi-billions of dollars.. the money they're spending on the square is pocket cash

<tonyyarusso> "NO, they paid to be THERE (point at the square), we're just using the sidewalk"

<lophyte> hahaha

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> how wide is the penguin? 3 feet?

<lophyte> 6 feet

<tonyyarusso> I'm a bit suspicious that the police got some $$ under the table for stuff like that.

<lophyte> or so

<ryanakca> ah... and the sidewalk?

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yeah

<lophyte> the sidewalk is a good 16 feet

<ryanakca> so, you're not even taking up half of it... just abou 2/5ths of it

<ryanakca> ample walking space

<lophyte> indeed.

<ryanakca> and from the pictures, there didn't seem to be that many people

<lophyte> mylesbraithwaite: ping

<ryanakca> if you were in NY and the sidewalks were jam packed... then it would be different

<lophyte> yeah

<tonyyarusso> exactly

<lophyte> yonge and dundas is the busiest intersection in the city

<lophyte> but the dundas square side of it isn't

<lophyte> the eaton center side of it is always packed

<ryanakca> sweet :) https://www.google.com/a/

<lophyte> people can also walk AROUND the penguin, in the square

<lophyte> ample space.

<ryanakca> google will be a mailserver for your domain/site :)

<ryanakca> lophyte: yeah

<ryanakca> how big is the square?

<ryanakca> pretty big I presume?

<ryanakca> World Youth Day (or whatever the thing where the pope and all the 20 year olds) was held there, right?

<ryanakca> or was it held in some field on the outskirts of town?

<PFA> i thought that was nathan phillips square

<lophyte> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66336472%40N00/377849087/

<lophyte> that's pretty much the whole square

<lophyte> more or less

<lophyte> no, the pope was at Downsview Park

<lophyte> in the north end of the city

<ryanakca> ah

<ryanakca> hmm... doesn't look to be that big...

<PFA> lophyte: i'm gonna head out... what time are you guys going to be there?

<tonyyarusso> Have fun everyone, and keep those cameras going!

<lophyte> http://www.raisethehammer.org/images/people_places_dundas_square.jpg

<lophyte> we're heading out now, taking a cab

<lophyte> will be there in 10-20 mins

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: we'll have someone taking pics :)

<tonyyarusso> :)

<PFA> lophyte: ok, im not gonna be there for a while cuz im taking the subway

<lophyte> alrighty

<lophyte> see ya later folks

<aanderse> looking forward to seeing a write up about the event yesterday :)

* ryanakca wonders on having a newsletter for Ubuntu-Ca

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: print or web?

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: web probably

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: but... if people feel like sending me a pile of stamps... I could print and mail

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: What would be in it? Do we have enough content for a regular release without duplicating UWN?

<ryanakca> I don't think we have enough content...

<ryanakca> that's the only thing

<tonyyarusso> Not weekly anyway, maybe quarterly?

<ryanakca> OCC could be in it if we had one...

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> A "who's new, what did we do, and what's coming up" could probably be filled every so 3-6 months.

<ryanakca> we could have a trivia contest or something in it and then send out posters to whoever has it right...

<ryanakca> but then... we have #ubuntu-trivia for that

<ryanakca> yeah... and a "what needs to be done" section

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: We're getting new hosting for the web site, so we're pondering things to put on it anyway, but won't duplicate anything that's done elsewhere.

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> so, anything Canada-specific is great

<ryanakca> they aren't hosting it in (corey?)'s basement anymore?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: They are presently, but we were just granted our request for Canonical hosting. They await contact from Corey for changing the DNS info.

<tonyyarusso> (just == yesterday)

<ryanakca> ah

<matjan> johanbr, remember i talked to you about some problems i had with my ubuntu install?

<johanbr> matjan: yes.

<matjan> i've been able to log the error messages: http://pastebin.ca/338971

<matjan> do you think a reinstall of packages would help?

<matjan> and, which packages would that be?

<johanbr> matjan: Yes, a reinstall would help. I'm guessing you have that log you put on pastebin as a textfile somewhere? Just do "for i in $(awk '/ldconfig/{print $2}' /path/to/textfile); do dpkg -S $i; done

<johanbr> I.e. what you type begins with for

<johanbr> That'll print out a list of all the packages that the damaged files belong to.

<matjan> johanbr, ok, i will try that later on... i'm going to head out for a bit

<matjan> thanks for the pointer

<lophyte> ahahaha

<lophyte> go ubuntu canada!

*** lophyte changes topic to "Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam | We're now official and CC approved! Congrats, Canada! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam | Please see #ubuntu-qc for support in French | Operation Cold Comfort was a complete success!"

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: back already?

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> it was cold out

<lophyte> and we ran out of CDs

<tonyyarusso> oh, right

<tonyyarusso> How many more did you give out?

<lophyte> we only had 8

<lophyte> gave out another 50 flyers

<tonyyarusso> nice

<lophyte> had Tux up for an hour

<lophyte> no cops

<tonyyarusso> sweetness

<lophyte> Vista guy came running over fully clad in his Vista gear

<tonyyarusso> what'd he want?

<lophyte> "hey guys, are you promoting Linux? I'm curious, can I get a CD?"

<tonyyarusso> NO WAY!

<lophyte> YES

<lophyte> it was SO funny

<tonyyarusso> MS employee or just promo minion for this week?

<lophyte> I don't know

<lophyte> didn't really talk to him, he just said he was curious

<lophyte> so I gave him a CD and he went on his merry way

<tonyyarusso> Ah, all right. He was probably worried if he stuck around someone might see him ;)

<lophyte> I think we got him on video

<tonyyarusso> cool

<tonyyarusso> Make a very thorough blog entry this time with all of the Flickr links and whatnot so I can just link to you and not have to do it all myself ;)

<lophyte> hehe, will do

<lophyte> I've already got a whole one ready about yesterday

<lophyte> just have to make some modifications and add a blurb about today

<tonyyarusso> Mention that tux stayed up fine and all for sure

<tonyyarusso> I'm still getting 60 hits / hour from Digg.

<tonyyarusso> Third page.

<lophyte> hahaha, wow

<tonyyarusso> Have you ever seen a digging firsthand?

<lophyte> nope

<tonyyarusso> It was pretty unreal.

<tonyyarusso> I was watching 'top' on the other monitor, and it was like hit........hit...........hit......and then BAM - apache processes spawning as if I was catting a file full of "apache2" lines.

<tonyyarusso> Like, I can not convey how instantaneous it is.

<tonyyarusso> From first signs that somethings up to the server being a completely goner is measured in seconds, not minutes.

<tonyyarusso> There will probably be a follow-up post in the next couple of weeks about what I learned re: disaster response.

<lophyte> haha

<lophyte> that's awesome

<viniac> hello everyone. dapper nube here !!!

<tonyyarusso> viniac: hey

<viniac> hey

<viniac> how goes tony ?

<tonyyarusso> Okay.

<tonyyarusso> about do join in on this week's quiz (#ubuntu-trivia)

<viniac> aha. didnt know such a thing exists. will hit the room as well. thanks.

<tonyyarusso> :)

<lophyte> posting...

<lophyte> oooo

<lophyte> I must mention the Vista guy in it

*** tonyyarusso is now known as tonyy

<lophyte> tonyy: mylesbraithwaite, ryanakca: http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/5

<tonyy> cool

<mylesbraithwaite> are you at the linuxcaffe right now?

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> heading out in a few minutes though

<mylesbraithwaite> oh okay

<lophyte> planet'd!

<PFA> lophyte: so what happened out there :P:P

<PFA> i got there like not 5 minutes after you left, i think -_-

<lophyte> hahaha

<lophyte> yeeaahh we left about 10 after 4

<lophyte> simply because we were freakin' cold

<lophyte> and we had handed out the 8 CDs we had

<PFA> YEAH :| as soon as i stepped out of the station i was like

<PFA> "... they're SO gone by now"

<lophyte> haha

<PFA> dundas station is so confusing ;.;

<lophyte> lol

<lophyte> what time you'd get down there?

<PFA> if i wasn't directionally challenged i would have got there on time and handed out my CDs :P

<PFA> i got to dundas square by like 4:15, 4:20 i think

<lophyte> ahh

<lophyte> we were across the street

<lophyte> right outside of Sears

<lophyte> Tux was up for a good hour

<PFA> ooooooooh

<PFA> yeah i didn't see him :(

<PFA> i was thinking of just skipping off to the church of scientology :D but then i decided to go home.

<lophyte> haha

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