* ryanakca needs some quotes... who want's to be my guinea pig in an interview?

<djp> yo

*** koi-mobile is now known as cyprinus

*** cyprinus is now known as hedrophalus

<hedrophalus> i can'r spell today

<hedrophalus> that proves it

<hedrophalus> i was trying to get the ipw3945 driver + blob working to get my wireless working

<hedrophalus> but with no luck

<ryanakca> rexbron_: you going to the MS Ice house raid tommorow?

<rexbron> ryanakca: hell ya

<lophyte> howdy

<ryanakca> rexbron, lophyte: good, mind giving me a quick interview? I just want a quote for this email I'm getting ready for global/CTV?

*** hedrophalus is now known as Heterocephalus

<ryanakca> howdy

<lophyte> we've got a contact a CTV, btw

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> for global then...

<lophyte> go for it

<ryanakca> any other news chans I should send it to?

<lophyte> CityNews

<lophyte> CBC too, perhaps

<ryanakca> kk

<rexbron> wow, we are really pimping this

<ryanakca> yeah :)

<lophyte> I'm gonna send out a press release in the morning

<ryanakca> If we send it to 5 of them, and only one of them show up, we're already ahead of the game

<lophyte> if someone doesn't write one, I'll write one

* ryanakca threw in tonyyarusso's thing of what is ubuntu

<ryanakca> Ok

<ryanakca> Question 1: Why are you going to go to Younge and Dundas square?

<ryanakca> Don't you have programs to write or geeky things to do?

<lophyte> of course I do :P

<Heterocephalus> not really

<ryanakca> (just asking from their perspective... or so I hope)

<rexbron> hey ryanakca, is this in an email we can reply to?

<Heterocephalus> any one using the intel ipw3945 module + blob?

<ryanakca> rexbron: I'll email it to ubuntu-ca

<Heterocephalus> or is there a better channel to ask

<lophyte> ryanakca: he's emailing this to news stations

<lophyte> we

<lophyte> er

<lophyte> rexbron*

<ryanakca> lophyte: I presume you feel like sending it?

<rexbron> I know, just that irc = not so good

<lophyte> why not? doesn't matter where to do interviews.. the quotes are still the same

<lophyte> where you do*

<ryanakca> Heterocephalus: #ubuntu if you're using ubuntu, #kubuntu if you use kubuntu. #xubuntu if you use xubuntu

<ryanakca> yeah

<ryanakca> I could phone lophyte and waste time writing down his answers

<Heterocephalus> well it's a driver

<ryanakca> or I can just paste what he says :)

<Heterocephalus> thanks

<ryanakca> Heterocephalus: are you using ubuntu?

<ryanakca> kk

<Heterocephalus> yes

<ryanakca> #ubuntu has a bunch of wireless geniuses :)

<Heterocephalus> thats nice to hear about

<Heterocephalus> ill check there

<lophyte> ryanakca: we're going to yonge-dundas square to promote software freedom, and to raise awareness about Microsoft's freedom-inhibiting software licenses

<lophyte> rexbron: you're welcome to have your two cents too of course :)

<ryanakca> lophyte: you're a... programmer or computer fixer or ?

<lophyte> and anyone else

<lophyte> ryanakca: freelance IT consultant specializing in Linux and open source

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> lophyte: and I guess I could say you're coordinating the whole thing?

<rexbron> ryanakca: Film Student @ York U

<ryanakca> s/coordinating/organising

<ryanakca> rexbron: and you're heading over because...

<rexbron> I feel the need to educate people on the alternatives that exist

<rexbron> to propritary software

<lophyte> ryanakca: I got the ball rolling.. but it wouldn't have as much impact without the enthusiasm of others as well

<ryanakca> yeah

<rexbron> lophyte: you know those two easter euorpean guys who were at the last meeting, they go to York run the Comp club and have money to help us (perhaps)

<lophyte> they go to York? I thought he said they went to George Brown

<lophyte> the two folks on the end of the table, near the washrooms?

<ryanakca> lophyte: looks good. I have a couple paragraphs describing the event, why (and answering all your questions). And I have most of tonyyarusso's document describing ubuntu.

<lophyte> nice

<lophyte> fwd it to the -ca list

* ryanakca will send it to ubuntu-ca before mailing it

<lophyte> it'd be sweet if we got on the news

<ryanakca> yeah

* ryanakca will be watching :)

<lophyte> hehe, cool

<lophyte> be sure to tape

<lophyte> Acting Captain's Log

<ryanakca> yeah

<lophyte> Commander Rodos Falor

<ryanakca> DVD :)

<lophyte> Stardate 10701.25

<lophyte> Falor continued climbing through the Jeffries tubes, preceded

<ryanakca> my dad can drop off a copy next week

<lophyte> by Doctor Cartwright and Millie. His veins were filled with

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: re: ODT - absolutely. A sec.

<lophyte> fear, uncertainty and doubt, completely taken off guard by the

<lophyte> hostile takeover of the ship by the attackers, and then the

<lophyte> sudden disappearance.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: done

<lophyte> He was informed that the ship had 3 minutes until impact

<lophyte> with a moon, and 6 minutes remaining until the ship

<lophyte> self destructed. The odds were grim. Falor thought about

<lophyte> Captain Irvin, and pondered what he would do in a

<lophyte> situation like this.

<lophyte> One thing was for sure: he had to have faith in his crew

<lophyte> to get the job done and the situation resolved. The CSO

<lophyte> was on her way to the shuttlebay with an idea. He could

<lophyte> only hope she had the right one.

<lophyte> And then there was the self destruct to worry about...

<lophyte> oh my

<lophyte> what the hell was that

<lophyte> *sigh*

<lophyte> *removes his Insert button*

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: nice

<lophyte> ryanakca: you have a dvd recorder/

<ryanakca> lophyte: yeah

<lophyte> sweet

<ryanakca> lophyte: just have to figure out how to use it :)

<lophyte> if you tape it, would be awesome to upload the video to youtube or google video.. or even ubuntu video

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: you pinged too?

<ryanakca> I'll be putting a link to it on planet as well

<Heterocephalus> i think i soled my own problem

<Heterocephalus> solved

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: nvm... lophyte took care of an interview

<tonyyarusso> cool

<tonyyarusso> what sort of interview?

<ryanakca> scroll up

<ryanakca> I wanted a quote for the press release

<ryanakca> and I stuck 3/4 of your ubuntu-letter-toronto.pdf into it...

<tonyyarusso> Yeah, /me has a lot o' scrollback to read

<tonyyarusso> Wooo- I'm famous!

<ryanakca> lol

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: I'm gonna see if I can play around with the spacing on your document some more...

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Sure thing.

<lophyte> should toss in a credit to you for writing it

<ryanakca> yeah

<ryanakca> Sent to ubuntu-ca

<lophyte> and was thinking about adding myself as a sponsor

<tonyyarusso> Try to avoid making the font too much smaller though, or it starts looking like a technical paper pretty quick.

<lophyte> indeed

<tonyyarusso> What happened on Boxing Day 2005?

<lophyte> no clue...

<ryanakca> dunno

<lophyte> hey, guys...

<lophyte> read Borden's latest post to the mailing list

<lophyte> he went down to the ice house today and wrote us a report about what its all about

<lophyte> so we have some material to counter against

<ryanakca> yeah

<ryanakca> "ability to print only selected text from web pages,"... IE has been able to do that for years?

<tonyyarusso> yeah

<lophyte> haha

<lophyte> copy

<lophyte> run notepad

<lophyte> paste

<lophyte> print

<tonyyarusso> select, ctrl-p, it's a radio button built right in.

<lophyte> ah

<tonyyarusso> Has been since at least 98 SE

<ryanakca> yeah... or... select text, and do what tony said

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca rolls his eyes at microsoft

<lophyte> ryanakca: my only thing about the press release is its a bit lengthy

<lophyte> perhaps cut down on the excerpts from tony's document a bit and stick to the most important information

<ryanakca> hey guess what... we just revolutionised the PC world... by introducing a graphical interface... know what that means? No more command line! hoora! lets advertise really old features!

<ryanakca> kk

<tonyyarusso> It might be okay anyway though, since the press will truncate if they want to and use the whole thing if they feel like it.

<lophyte> well, my issue is that they'll look at it and go "I'm not reading all that"

<lophyte> I think mentioning that we're promoting alternatives to Microsoft will get them, though

<lophyte> "what? somebody's doing something not Microsoft?"

<ryanakca> hmmm... it all looks important.. umm... security is a big thing... free is too... first paragraph can't go... it explains what it is...

<tonyyarusso> good point

<ryanakca> the dual boot part... that can be deleted?

<lophyte> yeah, I'd say so

<tonyyarusso> yeah, that should be on the handout, but not a press release probably

<lophyte> stick with what is Ubuntu, not so much what you can do with it

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> live CD? keep or throw away

<lophyte> throw away

<ryanakca> kk

<lophyte> I'd say the press only needs to know what Ubuntu is, and why we're promoting it

<lophyte> besides the obvious where and when

<ryanakca> kk

<tonyyarusso> The press release is to get people to come down and ask us more - we don't need to tell all in it ;)

<lophyte> yeah

<lophyte> tickle their interest, make them say "let's send a news crew to find out more"

<tonyyarusso> yup

<tonyyarusso> ANd then they'll interview you!

<lophyte> god I hope they don't interview me

<lophyte> lol

<tonyyarusso> I will laugh really hard if they do, for the record.

<lophyte> haha

<lophyte> the only thing I'm really worried about is cops showing up and ruining our fun

<lophyte> security is fine.. we can just move

<lophyte> but cops.. eh.. don't really have a choice with them

<lophyte> lol

<tonyyarusso> You do if you know the rules and follow them.

<lophyte> true

<tonyyarusso> And I see someone's researching - very good

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: typo in ubuntu-letter-toronto.pdf

<lophyte> which is why I'm trying to find laws concerning this kind of thing

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: where?

<lophyte> dundas square is private property.. so if security asks us to leave, we have to... but the sidewalk is public

<lophyte> so we can move to the sidewalk

<ryanakca> Ubuntu is available _competely_ free of charge,...

<lophyte> once we're on the sidewalk, though...

<lophyte> section 2 of the charter says everyone has the right to peaceful assembly

<lophyte> but what limits are imposed on that right?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: ah, ty

<lophyte> ie. what constitutes "disturbing the peace" or harassment

<lophyte> because that's what they'd try to call us on, most likely

<lophyte> they'd say we're disturbing the peace

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: corrected versions uploaded

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> lol

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: assemblies get away with chanting & signs, so quietly standing around a penguin handing out fliers has gotta be okay..right?

<ryanakca> yeah

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> though the penguin might be an issue as well

<koi-mobile> any brands of routers that you people fine overly good?

<koi-mobile> find*

<lophyte> I think you need a permit from the city to erect any kind of display on public property

<ryanakca> lophyte: phone city hall

<ryanakca> they probably still have someone kicking around

<lophyte> so worst comes to worst, we take down the penguin and hand out flyers

<lophyte> I'll call tomorrow

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> brb

<Burgwork> lophyte: as long as you are not terribly disruptive, calling the cops on you is bad PR on MSes part

<Burgwork> "MS chases communtiy people off Dundas square"

<lophyte> Burgwork: indeed

<lophyte> and it'll all be on camera

<lophyte> the camera will be running before we even set up

<Burgwork> or "MS makes cops chase off Linux people"

<lophyte> so that if we get confronted while we're setting up, it'll be on camera

<tonyyarusso> Okay, I'm scrolling up now, so if you talk to me I'll see it once I get back down to 19:38 ;)

<lophyte> I think as long as we're a decent distance away from the Ice House and not disrupting the people in line, we should be fine

<lophyte> the 10-foot penguin will draw people toward us

<lophyte> I'm wondering how many flyers I should copy tomorrow

<lophyte> 50 sheets each with 6 people is 300

<lophyte> and 50 sheets would go quickly at Dundas Square at 4pm

<tonyyarusso> koi-mobile: I have a Linksys WRT54GL - note the L at the end.

<lophyte> L = Linux :)

<lophyte> I wanna get one of those

<tonyyarusso> Also = better hardware specs

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: too bad you can't come down to Toronto and join us

<lophyte> the more the merrier

<ryanakca> back

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Yeah, if gas and time were both free I'd be there.

<ryanakca> lophyte: if you feel like driving to kingston, and taking me back, I'll gladly participate :)

<ryanakca> lol

<lophyte> hehe

<lophyte> no car

<ryanakca> can't drive :)

<lophyte> I don't have my license either

<ryanakca> sent 2nd copy

* ryanakca would... but isn't legally the right age

<lophyte> you don't really need a car in Toronto, hence I never bothered getting my license

<ryanakca> ah

<lophyte> its more economical and environmentally friendly to take transit

<koi-mobile> well i have an smc routr but rogers is saying it is sending out excessive dhcp requests

* ryanakca hopes someone will take the time to get beryl/compiz set up for tommorow

<lophyte> I can't run beryl here :(

<koi-mobile> and they will shut me down if it continues

<lophyte> rexbron?

<ryanakca> koi-mobile: can't you change it?

<koi-mobile> ive tried every setting

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: I may ask you about transit later on an unrelated note.

<rexbron> lophyte?

<koi-mobile> and even changed it back to the default settings

<ryanakca> most people like eye candy... hence they want vista... I don't think having a plain old lappy without beryl/compiz would seem very interesting

<ryanakca> rexbron: have beryl or compiz on your lappy?

<koi-mobile> i do

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Reading the release. Propose change in topic to near the house, not at. At implies affiliation, and could be murky waters.

<rexbron> nope, but if feisty works, then I will hopfully

<ryanakca> koi-mobile: you in toronto? or participating at the thing?

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: kk

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: sure

<koi-mobile> when is the thing?

<koi-mobile> and yes i am

<ryanakca> tommorow

<lophyte> ryanakca: I would put a link to the ubuntu toronto website instead of ubuntu.com at the bottom.. simply because we're focusing on Toronto

<ryanakca> 4:00 till 7:00

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: also, "so that the public can experience" ... it just trails off there.

<ryanakca> yeah... look at the second email?

<ryanakca> V2 ?

<koi-mobile> hmm

<koi-mobile> i have stuff i need to get done

<tonyyarusso> oh, haven't gotten to V2 yet

<ryanakca> lol

<koi-mobile> i don't think i would able to

<koi-mobile> work etc

<ryanakca> I cut V1 in half and finished some parts

<ryanakca> koi-mobile: drats... donate your lappy?

<lophyte> koi-mobile: awww.

<koi-mobile> ill see if i could it would be later

<koi-mobile> id donate the desktop but it's sorta bulky

<ryanakca> just to show how extendible ubuntu is, get that touchscreen + beryl video and save it on the laptops

<lophyte> you can give me a call if you wanna check if we're still there

<lophyte> koi-mobile ^

<koi-mobile> yess

<Burgwork> ryanakca: well written

<ryanakca> Burgwork: thanks

<lophyte> koi-mobile: 647-235-0328 is my cell, if you'd like to come down a bit later

<koi-mobile> one thing i need to get figured out

<koi-mobile> im using a beryl svn repo

<lophyte> ryanakca: also.. its Yonge-Dundas :)

<koi-mobile> made for edgy

<ryanakca> ah, kk

<ryanakca> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk

<ryanakca> I'd try to save that onto some laptops and have it playing...

<ryanakca> unless there's some way to get wireless down there...

<koi-mobile> but python updated in feisty to the settings manager won't work?

<koi-mobile> thats not a question thats a statement

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Maybe someone should burn some copies of the Open CD too, to show that free software isn't limited to Linux

<tonyyarusso> Just a few though

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: good call

<ryanakca> freeBSD :)

* ryanakca tried to get it set up... never worked

<ryanakca> when I get my new computer with a super big hard drive, I'll quadrupal boot or something

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: you don't mind if i trim down your document a bit?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca, lophyte, Burgwork, rexbron: Any final things we get, the press release, exact plans, other announcements and information, names of contributors/participants that don't mind them being released, which news services we've contacted, etc. - send the info my way, by irc, ML, or personal e-mail - I'm going to put together a massive all-encompassing blog entry if I can before going to bed.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Not at all. I think it's pretty good as is, but if you need to go ahead. No license on that ;)

<ryanakca> gentoo, stable kubuntu, freeBSD, devel ubuntu...

<lophyte> hehe, okie.

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: kk, I'll mail the final copy of the press release to ubuntu-ca

<tonyyarusso> cool

<ryanakca> feel free to throw out my name for the press release... I'll get you a list of the news services I'm contacting

<ryanakca> can you get me the contact emails for CBC/CityTV/Global/Toronto News Paper/Other news stations in toronto?

<ryanakca> is djp going to get CTV?

<ryanakca> should I send them to all of them at once? that way the feel they have competition? or send them individually so they think "Ha! We're going to be the only ones getting this!

<ryanakca> "

<ryanakca> and do I GPG sign it or no?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: CBC Toronto - (416) 205-5808, http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/contact/reporters.html

<tonyyarusso> I vote yes, since it doesn't really harm if they don't know what it means, and if they do, they know it's authentic.

<tonyyarusso> Send individually, or as BCC.

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> individually

<wikityler> what are you people up too?

<ryanakca> wikityler: sending out press releases for tommorow's raid :)

<wikityler> raid of what?

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: see the ML for lots more info :)

<koi-mobile> i can't find a repo built to work with fiesty

<koi-mobile> i guess thats what i get with feisty

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Global is newstips@globaltv.com

<wikityler> what's the ML?

<ryanakca> ubuntu-ca

<ryanakca> mailing list... lists.ubuntu.com

<wikityler> oh.

<lophyte> wikityler: information about the raid: http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/4

<ryanakca> do we bother with news paper?

<wikityler> lol. good for you folks.

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: CityTV - Main Switchboard: 416-591-5757, World-wide toll-free number: 1-800-774-0471

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: yes, hit papers

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> emails please ;)

<ryanakca> ok, for CBC toronto... which one do I hit? or do I get all of them?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: T. Star - http://www.thestar.com/generic/article/108483#pressrelease

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: whichever seems best for tech news from their provile.

<tonyyarusso> *profile

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Technology editor of the Globe and Mail: msnider@globeandmail.com

<tonyyarusso> (Michael Snider)

<tonyyarusso> any others you need?

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> umm... CTV... what's happening with them?

<MagicFab> hi all

<tonyyarusso> a sec

<MagicFab> how can I invoke startx from two different "session" options at the gdm / kdm login screens ?

<lophyte> ryanakca: djp is contacting CTV

<lophyte> he knows someone there

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: CTV: http://toronto.ctv.ca/tl/static/tips.html (local), news@ctv.ca (national) - do both

<lophyte> I guess it wouldn't hurt to hit them twice

<ryanakca> ok... for CBC... I'm trying to decide between Derek Stoffel, Dave Seglins, Robert Fisher and Piya Chattopadhyay

<ryanakca> kk

<tonyyarusso> It will help if his contact goes to the editor and says "hey Bill, what about..." "Oh, I have something on my desk about that already - you know more?"

<lophyte> indeed

<ryanakca> Global, CityTV, CBC, CTV, Globe and Mail, Toronto Star, anybody else?

<lophyte> Toronto Sun

<lophyte> EYE Magazine, NOW Magazine...

<ryanakca> which one for CBC...

<ryanakca> lophyte: kk... press contacts?

* ryanakca looks

<tonyyarusso> You know, I'm kindaa thinking send to all four @ CBC, public TO: , and let them choose who gets it.

<ryanakca> all for @ CBC... public TO:?

<lophyte> http://lophyte.homelinux.org/dev/ubuntu-letter-toronto.pdf

<ryanakca> s/for/four

<lophyte> I trimmed it down a tad, just to add space for credits at the bottom

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: T. Sun: citydesk@tor.sunpub.com

<ryanakca> thanks

<lophyte> djp and I are splitting the cost of printing

<MagicFab> I am asking someone to show me his dmesg and all i see is numerous lines like this:

<MagicFab> [17187819.852000] Inbound IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:0c:6e:bc:c6:d4:00:01:5c:22:ce:42:08:00 SRC=4.159.182.141 DST=200.126.166.217 LEN=63 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=111 ID=30645 PROTO=UDP SPT=4672 DPT=1024 LEN=43

<MagicFab> how can I get a decent dmesg output ?

<lophyte> looks like he's got packet logging on or something

<ryanakca> dmesg > file

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: not connecting..

<lophyte> no? grr.

<ryanakca> dmesg > file | grep -v Inbound

<tonyyarusso> I can host too if you want.

<MagicFab> ryanakca, right - will try that

<ryanakca> dmesg > file | grep -v IN | grep -v OUT | grep -v MAC

<ryanakca> oops...

<lophyte> try this

<ryanakca> dmesg | grep -v Inbound > file

<ryanakca> MagicFab: ^^

<lophyte> http://64.142.120.49/ubuntu-letter-toronto.pdf

<lophyte> does that work?

<ryanakca> or: dmesg | grep -v IN | grep -v OUT | grep -v MAC > file

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: yes

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: all four @ CBC... public TO:?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I think so, yes. public TO: as in not BCC - they all can see who all got it.

<ryanakca> ah, kk

<MagicFab> ryanakca, got it, grep -v is my friend now :)

<ryanakca> lol

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Looks good.

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: Final version sent to ML... just waiting for the green light

<lophyte> multi-line paste coming in...

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: awesome.

<ryanakca> kk

<lophyte> Kim King gives us these suggestions, having participated in formal and informal demonstrations himself:

<lophyte>     * Get someone not in the project to take lots of photos

<lophyte>     * Always stress that you will obey the lawful order of any Police

<lophyte>       officer

<lophyte>     * If told you can't do it here, ask where and mention your right to

<lophyte>       peaceful assembly

<lophyte>     * If someone pushes you, fall down and ask why they pushed you(looks

<lophyte>       good in the press)

<lophyte>     * Have fun

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca likes the push + fall down

<lophyte> hehe

<tonyyarusso> Those are all very solid suggestions. I say stick to them.

<lophyte> we have a videographer, we need a photographer

<ryanakca> I'll send it to Diana Swaine as well... from CBC News at Six for Toronto

<lophyte> sounds good

<tonyyarusso> oooh, perfect.

<ryanakca> d'arvit! they don't give emails!

<tonyyarusso> 4-5pm will be fresh footage at six ;)

<ryanakca> I have to fill in a stupid javascript form!

<tonyyarusso> yeah

<lophyte> oi

<lophyte> everyone around me is so discouraging

<lophyte> both my gf and my mother are like "you know the cops are just gonna show up and make you leave"

<ryanakca> lol

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Give them a copy of the Charter on your way out the door.

<lophyte> hehe

<lophyte> indeed

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> print one off to show to the cops if you must :P

<lophyte> djp wants to do that

<lophyte> have copies of certain laws on hand

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> I would so laugh if someone from Microsoft pushed you tommorow... on camera

<ryanakca> Such great publicity :D

<lophyte> haha

<ryanakca> makes them look really bad

<lophyte> I'd send the video in to the news and be like "look!"

<tonyyarusso> Amusing, but it's honestly a good idea to have those. Sometimes cops will try to get rid of you even if you have a right to be there just b/c it minimizes the headaches they already have, but if you can show them you've done your research and intend to follow the law, they know you're not a threat and can breathe again.

<tonyyarusso> I have to go now for a few hours, but I'll be back on later tonight.

<lophyte> okie

<lophyte> thanks a lot for your contributions :)

<lophyte> its greatly appreciated

<lophyte> you too, ryanakca

<ryanakca> np

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: see yah

<wikityler> keep some general organic gas filters on hand If things get really rough :)

<ryanakca> rofl

<ryanakca> someone feel like breaking it to Borden that I've already started mailing out the press release?

<lophyte> i'm thinking do both :)

<lophyte> hehe

<ryanakca> mail out two copies?

<ryanakca> well... two press releases?

<lophyte> I wonder if that's prudent

<lophyte> I mean, it'll get them thinking about it

<lophyte> the more times they hear about it, the more they might think its news-worthy

* ryanakca wouldn't... I would get the impression of "Come see, Come see! Look at this! I'm going to bug you about it, so you come"

<ryanakca> hmm.. I guess...

<ryanakca> I dunno

<ryanakca> s/I'm going to but you about it, so/I'm going to but you about it till

<lophyte> good point

<ryanakca> lophyte: think about it over night... and... act on it in the morning

<lophyte> yeah, they're not going to get it until the morning anyway

<lophyte> hrm... I wonder if we can merge the two together

<lophyte> I feel bad saying "thanks but no thanks" because they both have merit and good content

<ryanakca> yeah

<ryanakca> hmm... well... I can wait before sending out the rest

<ryanakca> lophyte: when they ask for phone number... do I put mine? or yours? or someone else's?

<lophyte> if they ask for a phone number, I'd say put my cell #

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> found it :)

* ryanakca bugs his mum about registering a domain

<ryanakca> lophyte: ryanakca.com ? or rkavanagh.com

<ryanakca> I'd go for the first... because there's waay to many ways to spell Kavanagh... Cananagh, Cavanaugh, Kavanaugh, Kavanah, etc

<wikityler> or ryanak.ca

<wikityler> go for that del-icio.us flavor

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> that's another one

<ryanakca> except .ca is so much more expensive...

<ryanakca> but it's interesting

<wikityler> only about 5 a year more

<wikityler> $5*

<ryanakca> meh

<ryanakca> so... what... 10$?

<wikityler> i pay $16 cdn a year, only because i get it from my local isp and can pay cash for it.

* ryanakca has a hard time finding a site that has only domain name registering... I don't care about mail server or hosting or junk

<wikityler> thats for a .com, a .ca is $21

<wikityler> godaddy

<wikityler> i use islandnet, but only for the above reason

<ryanakca> 16.99 for a .ca at http://www.webserve.ca/domainregistration/

<ryanakca> you can get a .com for 4.95$

* ryanakca doesn't get why domains are expensive

<ryanakca> http://www.10dollar.ca/en/register.htm 10CAD :)

<wikityler> but then i'd need a credit card to pay.

<ryanakca> lophyte: so, we merging them? or can I keep emailing the news teams?

<ryanakca> wikityler: I ask my mom to buy, and then I pay her

<wikityler> that doesn't go over well when i try that

<ryanakca> no?

* ryanakca searches for a wiki page that describes, in simple, non technical terms, what a domain is, and why I need one

<wikityler> i use mine only for email so far, but its nice to be able to create a random something@tyrivard.com when filling out questionable forms online. if they spam me, i can just delete the address.

<lophyte> ryanakca: I think I'm gonna merge them

<ryanakca> wikityler: yeah

<ryanakca> lophyte: kk

<ryanakca> ping me when it's ready and I'll mail it out

<koi-mobile> any one played atlantic

<lophyte> hey dennister

<lophyte> long time no see

<dennister> hi there :)

<lophyte> have you been tracking our campaign on the mailing list?

<lophyte> :D

<dennister> yes, been pretty caught up with move, freenet, etc....still struggling with star choice/rogers tho

<ryanakca> koi-mobile: yeah

<dennister> yes i have, but let me check it again...one sec

<koi-mobile> im just looking for people to join in

<koi-mobile> thedarkmere.net 1234 if anyone is interested

<dennister> lophyte: i take it the 'campaign' means the ice house event?

<lophyte> yup

<dennister> I haven't contributed because I have to pick up the moving truck on sat aft between 3 and 4, move sunday

<lophyte> hehe, no problem :)

<lophyte> you have other things to tend to

<dennister> after the move i'll be set up in no time...it's all the prep b4 the move

<mylesbraithwaite> lophyte: are you ready to tommorow?

<lophyte> yup

<mylesbraithwaite> same

<dennister> get this: bell told teksavvy i couldn't get more than 256 mb speeds at my new place...misinformation cause the landlords upstairs have 5 mb...and rogers wants to penalize me financially for firing them...lol

<lophyte> did you drop off those CD-Rs at linuxcaffe?

<lophyte> dennister: hah!

<dennister> if i can beg my landlord to allow the dish to be installed, i'm firing rogers completely...hello star choice...and rogers can sue me to try and get an invalid contract adhered to

<dennister> then I'll be rid of two horrible suppliers, bell and rogers

<mylesbraithwaite> lophyte: yes dave made about six while i was there it took him about 30min ech

<lophyte> 30min EACH?

<mylesbraithwaite> yes

<lophyte> oh boy..

<mylesbraithwaite> i know i am thinking that it wasn't really fast

<lophyte> I'll take my burner tomorrow

<dennister> lophyte: r u any further with mythtv? (after this I'll let you get back to event-discussions)

<mylesbraithwaite> mine is already there

<lophyte> dennister: nope.. haven't been playing with it

<dennister> k...well I'll see u guys at the meeting on wed. as it's a 10-minute walk away from the new place...:-)

<mylesbraithwaite> it also should be noted that the microsoft people who came today were just the people who made the ice house

<mylesbraithwaite> so they might be sympathic to our case

<dennister> bye for now pps

* ryanakca rolls his eyes

<ryanakca> my mum thinks letting me register a domain is going to kill her or something

<lophyte> OI.

<lophyte> er

<lophyte> oi.

<mylesbraithwaite> rexbron: are you going to be there tommorow?

<koi-mobile> anyone out for a round of atlantic?

<koi-mobile> im looking for a thrird for more player

<ryanakca> koi-mobile: why not

<ryanakca> server?

<koi-mobile> ok

<koi-mobile> thedarkmere.net 1234

<ryanakca> kk

<lophyte> hah

<lophyte> so those vista people at linuxcaffe know about our operation

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> good thing?

<lophyte> i wonder what the full truth is

* lophyte thinks djp is exaggerating

<lophyte> hehe

<ryanakca> lol

<lophyte> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/OperationColdComfort

<ryanakca> lophyte: email me the press release in the morning, and I'll forward it out

<ryanakca> http://www.theweathernetwork.com/features/schoolday/pages/CAON0696.htm

<ryanakca> http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/Pages/CAON0696.htm

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Talk to me about domains :)

<lophyte> hey tonyyarusso

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: hey

<tonyyarusso> (I'm back)

<tonyyarusso> The Vista people know you say?

<lophyte> according to djp

<lophyte> they came into the caffe this afternoon saying "please don't wreck our ice house"

<lophyte> he swears they said that almost verbatim

<tonyyarusso> interesting

<tonyyarusso> "We won't. ;)"

<tonyyarusso> Just your business model.

<lophyte> haha

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Since we put the effort into looking up all of those addresses and such, could you add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianPress ?

<lophyte> good call.

<lophyte> so they're on hand for future events

<Madpilot> so, is there something planned for Saturday? Should I update ubuntu.ca?

<lophyte> Friday at 4pm

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Friday

<Madpilot> cool

<lophyte> http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/4

<lophyte> for more info :)

<Madpilot> am behind in my email reading

<lophyte> or

<lophyte> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/OperationColdComfort

<tonyyarusso> I'll be posting also, with the intent being to get all the info in one place, since most of it's scattered on the ML

<Madpilot> Ubuntu Canada updated

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: thoughts on Borden's?

<tonyyarusso> I think it sounds too much like an editorial and not enough like a press release, and vote for sticking with yours.

<Madpilot> lophyte, so the Microsofties have visions of 10-foot Tuxzilla smashing up their icehouse? ;)

<lophyte> Madpilot: apparently!

<Madpilot> hehe

<Madpilot> Fear the Penguin

<tonyyarusso> rawr!

<tonyyarusso> More like, um waddle and look cute

<lophyte> yeah

<Madpilot> gah, if we make the TO news w/ the ubuntu.ca URL, it just might slashdot Corey's little greybox server & cable connection... heh

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: hahahahahaha

<tonyyarusso> Yeah, I thought about that.

<tonyyarusso> Dave or I could potential get blogs dugg too, which would be amusing.

<wheatie> hosting hasnt been moved yet?

<tonyyarusso> wheatie: no :(

<tonyyarusso> although I'm not sure Canonical would like getting slashdotted for us either ;)

<Madpilot> I'm not even sure what that box is - probably a 750Mhz machine w/ 256Mb RAM... on a bog-standard domestic cable 'net connection

<wheatie> Seems lots of people here to help even if it was ./'d

<tonyyarusso> Mine is 1.70 GHz w/ 512 on cable - better, but not much

<Madpilot> oh god - only 128Mb of RAM, plus ~400Mb of swap

<lophyte> mine is a Xen vps hosted in a datacenter :)

<Madpilot> I just ssh'd in to check

<Madpilot> what's the command to get a box to tell you it's CPU speed?

* wheatie co-locates a 1U

<wheatie> cat /proc/cpu

<Madpilot> hmm.. that gives me "no such file or directory"...

<wheatie> uname -a ?

<wheatie> or dmesg | grep CPU

<lophyte> no, its

<lophyte> cat /proc/cpuinfo

<lophyte> :)

<wheatie> ahh yes ..info

<Madpilot> P3 650Mhz

<lophyte> wow. hehe

<lophyte> that would crash if it got /.'d

<Madpilot> it's going to go up in flames with any major amount of attention...

<Madpilot> still running Breezy, too. we've never dist-upgraded it

<wheatie> urg.

<Madpilot> fully updated, though - I just checked...

<tonyyarusso> that's good at least

<Madpilot> tonyyarusso, why haven't you spammed Planet U w/ news of this? Dave's post is rapidly getting buried.

<lophyte> hehe, indeed.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Because I was out playing pool. I'm writing it right now of course.

<tonyyarusso> Folks could digg it if they want to see what happens :)

<tonyyarusso> I'm not sleeping until I have something. I want to get all of the info I can in one place, since it's been really scattered.

<tonyyarusso> Well, all _important_ info, not our discussion about where to get an inverter.

<lophyte> haha, yeah

<tonyyarusso> I saw ryan already started sending the release - awesome.

<rexbron> woot woot

<tonyyarusso> Do we have someone lined up yet with beryl?

<lophyte> not yet :\

<lophyte> Borden said he can run beryl but he can't stick around too long

<tonyyarusso> ok

<tonyyarusso> this is mildly entertaining - http://www.degredo.net/

<Madpilot> tonyyarusso, cool :)

<Madpilot> hmm... if someone wins the raffle for the MS givaway stuff, you could do Smash My Vista...

<lophyte> hahaha

<rexbron> mmmm

<rexbron> sounds tasty

<tonyyarusso> We could have people bid for the opportunity

<rexbron> lets register the domain

<tonyyarusso> hehe

<tonyyarusso> If you have 8 bucks, go for it

<lophyte> people would so bid

<lophyte> the money could go toward Ubuntu Canada projects

<Madpilot> I thought about buying up windowsvirusta.com ;)

<rexbron> for the SMV, have a burning of the EULA

<tonyyarusso> SMV?

<tonyyarusso> odd abbr

<lophyte> smash my vista

<rexbron> yep

<PFA> what are we doing

<PFA> what

<PFA> what

<PFA> tell me :D

<lophyte> PFA: http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/4

<rexbron> lophyte: http://www.degredo.net/

<Madpilot> we're siccing a giant penguin on some Microserfs

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: I suspect the Microsoft folks found out about our plan on Planet U

<PFA> OH MY GOD

<PFA> IS THIS TODAY????!

<lophyte> tomorrow at 4pm

<lophyte> er

<lophyte> yeah

<PFA> OH MY GOD I HAVE NO SCHOOL TODAY

<lophyte> technically today

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: I'd be impressed that they read it, but yeah.

<rexbron> today

<PFA> I AM GOING TO BEG. MY MOM.

<PFA> OH MY GOD :|

<rexbron> PFA: where are you?

<PFA> toronto

<tonyyarusso> Sweet. YOu're so coming PFA

<rexbron> cause its right next to a subway stop

<PFA> AWESOME

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: it's the only place I can think of.. it isn't really announced anywhere else, except the ML

<koi-mobile> the wiki link leads nowhere

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Yup

<tonyyarusso> koi-mobile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/OperationColdComfort ?

<koi-mobile> depends class till three

<koi-mobile> then a test

<PFA> oh my GODDDDDD if i am not there ia m going to like, die

<rexbron> guys, check out http://www.degredo.net/

<PFA> whoall is going?

<koi-mobile> then other stuff that needs to get done

<lophyte> PFA: a bunch of folks from ubuntu toronto

<PFA> who in this channel though

<rexbron> +1

<lophyte> just rexbron and I I think

<rexbron> really? or is that just who is on right now

<lophyte> well

<lophyte> jus who's on

<lophyte> myles and djp will be there

<lophyte> and Jane

<PFA> okay so... if i do wind up coming... will i have to print out leaflets or anything? or should i just show up, rofl

<PFA> and what time is this until

<lophyte> no, we'll have tons of paper for you

<lophyte> 4pm-7pm

<rexbron> PFA: bring some cd's

<lophyte> unless we have serious issues with the cops and are forced to leave

<lophyte> then we'll be gone earlier

<lophyte> but that's doubtful, as long as we remain law-abiding

<tonyyarusso> Make sure you have someone designated to be the "cop talker" - a cool head.

<PFA> i only have like 8 ubuntu CDs and i promised one of those to a friend

<rexbron> I would think so

<koi-mobile> where there edgy cds made?

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: that's definitely djp

<rexbron> PFA: give it to the friend

<tonyyarusso> good

<rexbron> :)

<tonyyarusso> koi-mobile: Dapper's better to hand out i think

<rexbron> I got a promise to get my mother to use Ubuntu over the summer

<rexbron> :) looking forward to that

<koi-mobile> my desktop is still installed from a warty cd

<koi-mobile> updated

<koi-mobile> i have three dapper kubuntu disks

<rexbron> is there any issue with haveing swap be the first partition if one uses grub?

<koi-mobile> i don't think so

<rexbron> I am in the midst of backing up my /home

<rexbron> and am going to reinstall from scratch

<koi-mobile> ok

<koi-mobile> just because?

<rexbron> becuase I need to fix parition structures

<koi-mobile> fair

<PFA> what does my friend mean when he says "slackware uses bsd"

<rexbron> bsd code?

<rexbron> but everuthing does

<rexbron> OSX, Windows

<PFA> yeah :S

<rexbron> not sure about linux, but I think so

<PFA> he just keeps repeating it over and over, refusing to explain

<lophyte> indeed.

<lophyte> the Windows networking code is based on BSD

<PFA> as a reason why i shouldnt use slackware

<rexbron> source code distros are a pain

<lophyte> slackware is linux, just like ubuntu

<PFA> yyyyyyyyyyyyyup...

<lophyte> except without a nice packaging system

<PFA> which is why id on't understand

<PFA> "SLACKWARE USES BSD OMG BBQ IT SUX SO BAD"

<koi-mobile> take them to the doctor

<koi-mobile> something is wrong

<PFA> he lives in like florida or something

<lophyte> i'm out

<lophyte> night folks.. thanks for the help

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: see ML - we're on the sidewalk, right?

<tonyyarusso> not the square itself?

<koi-mobile> if the tux isn't infated

<rexbron> thats my understanding

<koi-mobile> is there a flag

<lophyte> indeed.

<koi-mobile> or a person with a funny hat

* rexbron ZzZzZzZz

<lophyte> Tux = exhibit

<lophyte> people with flyers = not an exhibit

<tonyyarusso> There's space on the public property for Tux?

<lophyte> if its an issue

<lophyte> we move to the sidewalk

<lophyte> I'm not sure off the top of my head... we'll see when we get there

<tonyyarusso> ok

<lophyte> if we put Tux on the sidewalk

<lophyte> it may block half the sidewalk

<lophyte> and thus the cops will ask us to take it down

<koi-mobile> i have a small inflatable tux

<koi-mobile> it's very old

<lophyte> hah.. bring it :D

<lophyte> k i really need to go

<koi-mobile> and has a corell cube in it's wings

<lophyte> i'll be on all morning/early aft tomorrow

<tonyyarusso> Put tux in the back of a pickup truck and part it nearby?

<lophyte> if we had one :)

<tonyyarusso> find one. ;)

<koi-mobile> if there were some parge stickers

<lophyte> though good luck parking on yonge st.

<koi-mobile> large

<lophyte> or dundas

<lophyte> anywho.. night folks.

<tonyyarusso> nn

<koi-mobile> n

<PFA> heh i just wrote a note to my mom asking her to wake me up before 2:30 if i can go

<tonyyarusso> Don't _ask_ if you can go, _tell_.

<PFA> no, no way

<PFA> it doesn't work like that with my mom

<PFA> it's a big deal for me to be allowed to go to the freakin shopping mall on my own

<tonyyarusso> That's called overly restrictive.

<tonyyarusso> Aren't you 17 or nearly so?

<PFA> i'm 16

<tonyyarusso> Have you pointed out that in less than two years you'll be an adult?

<PFA> no

<tonyyarusso> Time to stop treating you like you're four.

<PFA> "as long as you're under my roof you follow my rules"

<PFA> and it's not like i ahve anyone to go *with*

<PFA> don't criticize my mom. you're not her kid.

<wheatie> reminds me of my fiancee.

<wheatie> :P

<tonyyarusso> Yes, but as long as you want to appear to be a rational human being and garner any measure of respect, it helps to have good rules.

<PFA> yes, but i don't care. don't talk bad about my mom.

<tonyyarusso> Fine, but I've had experience with other parents like that and am long ago completely fed up with it.

<PFA> besides, i think if you knew me you'd understand why she doesn't trust me

<dominussuus> !uboto abuse

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uboto abuse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<PFA> !botabuse

<ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...

<dominussuus> thanks

<Madpilot> need sleep - night, all, and good luck to the TO crew w/ "Giant Tux vs the Frozen Microsofties, Ep. I"

<PFA> night Madpilot :P

<wikityler> so is any one ion here not from the GTA?

<Madpilot> take lots of pictures! Get ubuntu.ca mini-slashdotted for us!

<wikityler> in*

<Madpilot> wikityler, west coaster here. Victoria. By the time I get home tomorrow night, the TO thing will be long over...

<PFA> wikityler: i think almost everyone here is from somewhere in southern ontario or BC, but some of the southern ontario ones are in like, vaughan and peterborough and whatever

<wikityler> cool victoria too.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: (you can put a link up to my post when you wake up or something if you want)

<Madpilot> tonyyarusso, bug Burgwork tomorrow daytime, he'll have to do it. I have no access to ubuntu.ca from work.

<tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I meant breakfast-like, but okay

<Madpilot> I'm out of the house at 0645, long commute to work. Breakfast doesn't happen until after I've been at work a couple of hours. :)

<tonyyarusso> ah

<mneptok> wikityler: Montreal

<tonyyarusso> Posted!

*** tonyyarusso changes topic to "Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam | We're now official and CC approved! Congrats, Canada! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam | Please see #ubuntu-fre for support in French | Come on down and join us at Yonge & Dundas Square from 4:00 to 7:00 PM today!"

<tonyyarusso> PFA, wikityler: either of you Digg?

<PFA> umm nope?

<PFA> why?

<tonyyarusso> Wondering if anyone wants to submit my and/or lophyte's posts

<PFA> i would but... dont know how :)

<tonyyarusso> lol...

*** PFA changes topic to "Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam | We're now official and CC approved! Congrats, Canada! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam | Please see #ubuntu-fr for support in French | Come on down and join us at Yonge & Dundas Square from 4:00 to 7:00 PM today!"

<tonyyarusso> PFA: You might not even need an account..not sure. http://www.digg.com/submit

<tonyyarusso> oops

<PFA> why cant you do it?

<tonyyarusso> Good catch

<tonyyarusso> It just seems funny to submit your own content ;)

<PFA> just do it :P

<PFA> i'm way too lazy

<tonyyarusso> The link for mine is http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/ubuntu-canadas-toronto-chapter-brings-the-penguin-to-the-ice-house/ and his is http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/4/

<tonyyarusso> c'mon, please?

<PFA> I DONT KNOW HOW :(

<PFA> and id have to make an account

<tonyyarusso> ...

<tonyyarusso> Are you sure you'd have to make one?

<PFA> why cant you do it if you want it so bad?!

<PFA> yes

<PFA> it redirected me to alogin page

<tonyyarusso> oh, darn

<tonyyarusso> I could, it would just be weird.

<PFA> do it anyway

<PFA> nobody cares

<PFA> or just submit dave's

<tonyyarusso> thanks anyway :) Hope you can make it down today.

<PFA> & youre not coming? :P

<tonyyarusso> I'd love to, but the time/gas money just aren't available :(

<tonyyarusso> Planet updated.

<PFA> hum :(

<wikityler> is it on digg? i'd digg it

<PFA> wikityler: idunno, no idea how this works, ask tonyyarusso

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: Not yet. Get mine and loph's

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: Could slashdot too while you're at it

<wikityler> i dont do the /. thing

<tonyyarusso> both links are above

<tonyyarusso> 'k

<wikityler> k

<wikityler> do you have a short description?

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: one sec - I'll try to grab the fundamental parts

<wikityler> its hard to fit enough into 350 chars

<tonyyarusso> 350 you say?

<wikityler> yup

<wikityler> you dont need details, just enoguh info for ppl to click the link

<mneptok> could someone change #ubuntu-fr to #ubuntu-qc in the /topic pweez? :)

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: Ubuntu Canada to be on-site at the Microsoft Vista "Ice House" in Toronto 4:00 to 7:00 PM TODAY, educating people about Vista's licensing terms and the merits of free open-source software alternatives to proprietary systems, with information and free CDs on hand, as well as a ten-foot Tux!

*** tonyyarusso changes topic to "Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam | We're now official and CC approved! Congrats, Canada! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam | Please see #ubuntu-qc for support in French | Come on down and join us at Yonge & Dundas Square from 4:00 to 7:00 PM today!"

<mneptok> thankee tony

* tonyyarusso points out that it's -t ;)

<tonyyarusso> 21 hits since post already

<mneptok> huh?

<tonyyarusso> mneptok: see Planet Ubuntu - our grand scheme rolls into action in under 14 hours.

<mneptok> but the -t ?

<tonyyarusso> mneptok: anybody can update the topic

<wikityler> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Canada_s_Toronto_chapter_brings_the_Penguin_to_the_ice_house

<tonyyarusso> awesome

<mneptok> ach so!

<wikityler> What about the other link? can't really use the same description

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: make it up :P

<wikityler> kk

* tonyyarusso kills supybot to free up server resources

<wikityler> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Canada_s_Toronto_chapter_brings_the_Penguin_to_the_ice_house

<wikityler> don't get your hope up that this will front page

<tonyyarusso> wikityler: Forgot to update your clipboard maybe?

<tonyyarusso> hehe - this server will crash long before a front page I suspect, so that's fine.

<wikityler> oops

<wikityler> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ice_House_Raid

<tonyyarusso> That's the stuff

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: lophyte: ok, what we doing about the press release

<lophyte> ryanakca: go for it and send yours out

<lophyte> hahaha oh boy

<lophyte> my blog is gonna get dugg

<lophyte> our VPS server only has 96mb ram

<lophyte> that thing is gonna go down in no time

<lophyte> damn

<lophyte> the view count is up to 217 on that post

<lophyte> If you can’t be bothered reading, the plans run from building a bonfire, pitching a tent, running an inflatable 10-foot penguin, “cause as much mayhem as possible”, pamphleting, a CD drop, and arguing with the police “if they punk us around.”.

<lophyte> wolw

<lophyte> that got taken out of context real quick

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca is going to set up a server today... 64mb ram and pentium 2 :)

<ryanakca> lophyte: you on KDE or GNOME?

<lophyte> KDE

<lophyte> wow, that article was really a shot below the belt

<lophyte> meh.

<lophyte> http://www.crncanada.ca/content/software/opinion-this-publicity-li.shtml

<ryanakca> rofl

<lophyte> no such thing as bad press :)

<ryanakca> nope

<ryanakca> It's so... funny?

<lophyte> yeah, s/he took it way out of context

<ryanakca> how dilusional people can be... they take things way out of context...

<ryanakca> EAVESDROPPER! COPS! THEY'RE SPYING ON A TOP SECRET UBUNTU-CANADA GOVERNMENT OPERATION!

<lophyte> lmao

<ryanakca> wierdo...

<ryanakca> If any of Canada’s actually money-earning Linux proponents want to go tell these guys that a guerilla marketing-campaign consisting of an inflatable penguin hooked to a car battery, badly-burned discs, photocopied literature, and a confrontation with security and police isn’t really helping, I’d encourage it.

<ryanakca> wft?

<ryanakca> guerilla... I guess that means we need to set up some fire arms and bazookas and tanks and blast the microsoft ice house to bits...

* ryanakca keeps mailing the press

* ryanakca done CBC

<lophyte> what's so horribly bad about a penguin, burned discs, and photocopied documents?

<ryanakca> dunno

<ryanakca> any other press people that should get a press release?

<lophyte> none I can think of

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: re: press release - while it's a nice thought and all, I feel that the other press release is too much like an op ed piece instead of a press release and vote that you just send yours. You could tell them you already had sent it if needed.

* tonyyarusso just woke up

<tonyyarusso> btw, if nobody saw yet I sent a reply to Andrew McKay moments after that link went out.

<tonyyarusso> I do think that article hilights how very important it is to make sure that _everybody_ remotely affiliated with us is under control today though.

<ryanakca> yeah

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: I finished sending them out about half an hour ago :)

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: awesome. any replies yet?

<ryanakca> not yet

<tonyyarusso> 'k

<tonyyarusso> They might not even need to - "just show up"

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: feel free to send http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Canada_s_Toronto_chapter_brings_the_Penguin_to_the_ice_house and http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ice_House_Raid to everyone you know.

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: you have op privileges in -offtopic?

* ryanakca would add it to the topic

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: yes - that'd be a bit spammy though ;)

<ryanakca> meh

<ryanakca> it's offtopic

<tonyyarusso> Just have a different person walk in every hour and paste it :P

<ryanakca> it's all spam ;)

<ryanakca> or that

* ryanakca can't seem to find a blank CD-R :(

<ryanakca> the CD drive in my new-old server is old enough that it doesn't read CD-RW :(

<aanderse> uh gosh ...

<ryanakca> aanderse: what?

<aanderse> urge to get a bus ticket and come to toronto right now rising ....

<ryanakca> lol

* tonyyarusso sends hypnotic vibes at aanderse

<ryanakca> where are you?

<aanderse> The group will be on the sidewalk just next to Yonge & Dundas Square in Toronto from 4:00 to 7:00 PM EST today, Friday February 2nd - look for the penguin.

<tonyyarusso> dooooooo iiiitttt

<aanderse> 2 hours north in london

<tonyyarusso> eh? London is west-south-west, unless I've lost my mind.

<aanderse> erm

<ryanakca> yeah

<aanderse> i meant your are 2 hours north

<aanderse> lol

<aanderse> sorry

<tonyyarusso> Righto.

<aanderse> i lived in toronto this summer ...

<aanderse> so sometimes i get it backwards :)

* ryanakca is 3 hours east north east from toronto ;)

* tonyyarusso makes breakfast - biab; ryanakca - convince him ;)

<ryanakca> kk

<ryanakca> aanderse: you are feeling very IWantToGetABusTicketAndJoinTheCrowdInToronto...

<aanderse> mhm

<aanderse> the question is ...

<ryanakca> aanderse: visualise yourself walking towards the busticketshop

<ryanakca> aanderse: actually get a ticket to toronto

<aanderse> are any of my friends in to home right now

<ryanakca> dunno :)

<ryanakca> w00t

<aanderse> because id have to grab a real quick shower, call them and arrange for a place to stay ...

* ryanakca thinks he found his last blank-cd-r

<ryanakca> aanderse: yeah

<aanderse> all in like less than an hour :\

<ryanakca> or you can bring a cardboard box... and stay on the side of the road... or you can sneak into that ice bed in the ice house :P

<tonyyarusso> You never know - one of the folks there might be willing to put you up if your friends aren't reachable

<aanderse> no family in toronto

<aanderse> just a couple friends

<aanderse> either way, i need some breakfast

<aanderse> bbiab :)

<ryanakca> kk

* ryanakca will check his email again in a bit

<ryanakca> ping me if you need anything...

* ryanakca goes to do some housecleaning :S

<tonyyarusso> rexbron, koi-mobile: http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Canada_s_Toronto_chapter_brings_the_Penguin_to_the_ice_house & http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ice_House_Raid

<aanderse> k what time does the event start?

<ryanakca> 4:00

<ryanakca> but I think they start setting up at 3:30

<koi> it starts at four?

<koi> thats great

<koi> for that's the earliest i could be there anyhow

<koi> i'm out

<aanderse> son of a bee sting

<aanderse> no accommodations for

<aanderse> tonight

<ryanakca> no?

<aanderse> nope

<ryanakca> ask if anybody who's attending has a spot...

<tonyyarusso> aanderse: someone will help out I'll bet...

<aanderse> lol, that's weird

<aanderse> "hi i don't know you ... can i sleep at your place?"

<aanderse> moreso looking for a fun weekend than an awkward one :p

<tonyyarusso> bah, it'll be fine

<ryanakca> lol

<aanderse> wish i lived in toronto now :(

<aanderse> i'm moving back in like 4-5 months

<ryanakca> crash on the floor of the caffe... if djp lets you :P

<aanderse> ha ha ha

<ryanakca> just bring a sleeping bag :P

* ryanakca crosses his fingers in hopes that amarok will run properly

<tonyyarusso> 'k, I'm off. back in like an hour and a half.

<ryanakca> kk, same :)

<lophyte> hey folks

<ryanakca> hey lophyte

<ryanakca> no reply yet :(

* ryanakca goes to make lunch

<lophyte> the CTV folks replied to djp

<lophyte> so I think there's a good chance they'll be there

<ryanakca> oh, goodies :)

<ryanakca> hmm....

<ryanakca> if they show up, mind giving me a call...

* ryanakca will poke his parents about giving out his phone number... or you can just look at 411.ca :)

<ryanakca> that way I know what channel to record on... and have a general idea of the time :)

<lophyte> I'll e-mail you

<lophyte> I can email from my cell phone

<ryanakca> nice :)

<Burgwork> tonyyarusso: what do you need>?

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Brother talk to you I take it? Was just going to say you could add http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/ubuntu-canadas-toronto-chapter-brings-the-penguin-to-the-ice-house/ in addition to lophyte's post.

<Burgwork> tonyyarusso: ah, I see

<Burgwork> let me do that

<Burgwork> tonyyarusso: done

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: cool

<lophyte> hey all

<tonyyarusso> hey

<tonyyarusso> How're things?

<ryanakca> still no reply :(

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: but lophyte says that djp got a reply from CTV :D

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: awesome

* ryanakca nods

<ryanakca> hmm... picasa on linux... sweet

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Part of it might be waiting until four o'clock rolls around and seeing what else they already have for news. If there's a civil war in Spain, no go. If it's slow, maybe.

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> 185 unique visits to the blog since posting.

<ryanakca> nice

<ryanakca> if it's on TV, I'll record it and stick it up on YouTube :)

<matjan> i 'digg'-ed tony's and dave's blog just now... good work guys!!

<tonyyarusso> matjan: thanks!

<ryanakca> :)

<matjan> too bad i cannot be there

<ryanakca> hmm... looks like picasa doesn't handle transparent .png very well :(

<tonyyarusso> That makes 27 Diggs on mine and 19 on Dave's.

<ryanakca> matjan: yeah... same

<lophyte> I'm going to email ryanakca if any news crews show up

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: want to CC me? this nick at ubuntu.

<lophyte> http://upcoming.org/event/146952/

<lophyte> hah!

<lophyte> that's too funny

<ryanakca> yeah

* ryanakca just saw that

* tonyyarusso looks

<tonyyarusso> will have to be careful about whether or not to appear associated.

<tonyyarusso> watch the behaviour ;)

<ryanakca> where can I get an image for a boot floppy to boot the server install cd?

<ryanakca> lol

<lophyte> indeed

<lophyte> we're not raving.. they are

<tonyyarusso> right

<ryanakca> get set up on the opposite side of MS

<ryanakca> or is MS on the side of Younge-Dundas?

<lophyte> As a mac fanboy I would like to live the apple slogan “Life Is Random” and bring a big surprise to Microsoft while they do everything they can to sell Vista. We are planning to casually be in Dundas square at 5:45 PM and at 6PM sharp have everyone walk into the House and party their bums off. When asked to leave we will do so without hassle or commotion. This is intended to be a fun event that does not harm anyone or anything.

* ryanakca would try to have the Ice house seperating the two groups... that way there's no confusion on MS's part as to who's who

<ryanakca> ah

<ryanakca> so, they go in, you don't :)

<lophyte> yeah, exactly

<lophyte> we're keeping our distance and being respectful

<lophyte> anyway, I gotta run and fire off 400 copies of tony's document

<ryanakca> ouch

<ryanakca> have fun ;)

<tonyyarusso> enjoy

<lophyte> see ya

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: fyi - the Google search terms Andrew McKay used now turn up Linuxcaffe as #1, Dave's post next.

<ryanakca> hehe

<ryanakca> Andrew McKay... that the idiot that called our operation a "guerrilla marketing-invasion" or something of the sort?

<tonyyarusso> yes.

<tonyyarusso> The editor.

<ryanakca> ah

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca disappears for a bit

<tonyyarusso> mylesbraithwaite, rexbron: ping

<rexbron> tonyyarusso: whats up?

<mylesbraithwaite> yes

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: If you could tell any college buddies / Facebook groups for Toronto about today's plans that would be good.

<tonyyarusso> mylesbraithwaite: ^^

<mylesbraithwaite> did you see the event on facebook

<tonyyarusso> not yet

* tonyyarusso looks

<mylesbraithwaite> i posted it a yesterday

<tonyyarusso> cool

<mylesbraithwaite> i am burning cds right now

<tonyyarusso> what did you name it?

* tonyyarusso can't find it

<tonyyarusso> Also, we have it going on Digg - http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Canada_s_Toronto_chapter_brings_the_Penguin_to_the_ice_house and http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ice_House_Raid

<mylesbraithwaite> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2232209860

<tonyyarusso> They need an "attending in spirit" option

<mylesbraithwaite> yes

<mylesbraithwaite> i made you admin so you can edit

<tonyyarusso> I'll say "maybe" - close enough

<tonyyarusso> cool

<rexbron> I am going to add you guys on facebook

<mylesbraithwaite> join ubuntu canada group

<rexbron> I will

<tonyyarusso> Facebook event added to the links on my blog post

<ryanakca> to the "members" in here... might be nice to have some of your ubuntu business cards... that way people can easily get back to you on their progress?

<mylesbraithwaite> a little to late for that

<tonyyarusso> If I were coming down I'd print some, but sadly I can't.

<tonyyarusso> I do intend to start carrying them though.

<mylesbraithwaite> how do you get one

<tonyyarusso> a sec

<tonyyarusso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards

<ryanakca> mylesbraithwaite: become a member...

<ryanakca> then you're "officially" permitted to carry them around

* ryanakca doesn't have any use for them...

<tonyyarusso> You'll have to do the grunt work to make a sheet of them to print off yourself - Madpilot suggested glabels might work.

<mylesbraithwaite> what is your real name?

* ryanakca doesn't know what they'd do to you if you used them and weren't a "member"

<ryanakca> me?

<mylesbraithwaite> yes

<ryanakca> Ryan Kavanagh

<ryanakca> ryanakca = RYAN A. Kavanagh CAnada :)

<ryanakca> If I moved to the uk, I'd change my nick to ryanakuk :)

<ryanakca> why?

<ryanakca> eee gad... we don't have sgml2html in the repos :(

<ryanakca> at least according to apt-cache :(

<mylesbraithwaite> i wnated to add you as an officer

<ryanakca> and officer for...

<mylesbraithwaite> ubuntu canada group

<ryanakca> ah... sure

<koi-mobile> my wireless works perfect and i will be able to get to the square at around 3ish

<ryanakca> dunno what that means... but sure :)

<tonyyarusso> "Our young master of awesomeness"

<ryanakca> koi-mobile: nice... where you going to get wireless? bum it off MS? or are there enough people downtown who don't lock down their wireless that it doesn't matter?

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca thinks he's the younguest member...

<ryanakca> jpatrick is a year older than me :)

<rexbron> ryanakca: whats your age again? ;)

<ryanakca> s/younguest/youngest

<ryanakca> 14 :P

<ryanakca> mylesbraithwaite: officer for ubuntu canada group = ?

<mylesbraithwaite> on face book

<koi-mobile> more that i set up up a few days ago and didn't have the means to try it out

<ryanakca> mylesbraithwaite: ah... never used it :P

<tonyyarusso> heathen!

<mylesbraithwaite> h sorry

<tonyyarusso> Everyone must be on facebook - it's a rule.

<koi-mobile> oh

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca wonders if he'll convince his parents to take him to the OLS

<ryanakca> hehehe... 200$? forget about it

<tonyyarusso> Digg is still moving, although slowly. Spam those links around y'all! (Within reason)

<tonyyarusso> (ie, if you do in #ubuntu I'll hurt you)

<tonyyarusso> ;)

<ryanakca> lol

* ryanakca remembers to lock all his doors and windows when tonyyarusso comes to visit in 2009

<tonyyarusso> Seriously, it makes a difference. The vast majority of the visits from the last couple of hours have had digg as the referrer, even though we only have low double digit diggs.

<Burgwork> where does the digg send you to?

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: One of them to my blog, the other to Dave's.

<tonyyarusso> Mine has a few more than his.

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: So, not your little greybox ;)

<Burgwork> ok, just wondering

<Burgwork> my little grey box can handle it, given I am using my gf's connection to download ISOs right now

<tonyyarusso> cool - you'll probably get fallout regardless

<Burgwork> feel free to point them at ubuntu.ca

<tonyyarusso> I had linked to ubuntu-ca.org from my post - thought that was better

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: David J. Patrick also blogged it now - http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/node/21957

<Burgwork> .ca and -ca.org both redirect to the same place

<tonyyarusso> right, but, well, nvm

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: And you mispelled my name, btw...

<tonyyarusso> One R, two S.

<Burgwork> oops

<tonyyarusso> :P

<tonyyarusso> It's..."common"

<Burgwork> I will fix and add djps

<tonyyarusso> sounds good

<tonyyarusso> Hit 30 Diggs for mine.

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: lol, looks like there's a fair chance you get onto the news :)

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Did you get any more media replies?

<ryanakca> headlines on CTV.com: Prime minister is no fan of NFL and Super Bowl, Groundhogs Sam, Willie and Phil say spring is near, Canada 'must act' to curb global warming: Harper

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: no... just the one

<tonyyarusso> 'k

<tonyyarusso> .....

<ryanakca> it's not exactly as if they have loads to talk about

<tonyyarusso> "Prime minister is no fan of NFL"?

<rexbron> ryanakca: did we get any coverage yet?

<tonyyarusso> They really ahve that?

<tonyyarusso> ahahaha

<ryanakca> rexbron: dunno... djp has a reply from CTV...

<rexbron> really, thats good

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yeah, http://ctv,com

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yeah, http://ctv.com

<ryanakca> rexbron: it is

<tonyyarusso> Guys! We made the "Hot List" on the Upcoming stories section of Digg! http://www.digg.com/view/technology/upcoming

* ryanakca has a feeling their sitting there wondering if they want to freeze their rears outside or if they want to rerun news from last night

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: nice

<rexbron> I will be leaving in an hour, with laptop and camera

<ryanakca> kk

<tonyyarusso> cool

<ejer> I am digg #31

<ryanakca> lol

<tonyyarusso> ejer: thanks

* ryanakca will be sitting here in an hour wishing he was in Toronto

<ryanakca> who has beryl?

<ryanakca> are they done burning all the CD's and printing the literature?

<tonyyarusso> beats me

<tonyyarusso> lophyte said he was headed to the copy shop earlier

<ryanakca> yeah

<Burgwork> tonyyarusso: fixed, I think

<tonyyarusso> Passed 200 unique blog visits.

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: looks good

<rexbron> damn, when I tried to submit my blog, it through up a perl error

<ryanakca> lol, tonyyarusso, you're famous!

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Well, mildly anyway.

<tonyyarusso> Oh, for clarification, that's 200 since I posted, not total :)

<ryanakca> lol

<rexbron> ryanakca: nextime I think it would be cool to try and set up a live broadcast

<ryanakca> hehe

<rexbron> not sure how to do that though

<ryanakca> that sounds complicated :)

<rexbron> well, you would need some serious realtime compression

<rexbron> it might have 1 to 2 minute delay

<ryanakca> yeah

<tonyyarusso> Who wants to go drop the Digg link in #freenode-social?

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: after you :P

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I'd rather not for that one, since the url has my nick in it. (Looks better if you do)

<ejer> I can

<tonyyarusso> I'm going to hit #{x,k}ubuntu-offtopic though

<tonyyarusso> cool

<ryanakca> kk

<ejer> this link http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Canada_s_Toronto_chapter_brings_the_Penguin_to_the_ice_house ?

<ryanakca> ##linux too... ##oftopic as well

<ejer> will the ban me for this?

<ryanakca> ejer: definitly :P

<ejer> ah

<ejer> glad I asked

<ryanakca> lol, dunno

<ryanakca> probably not

<tonyyarusso> ejer: Yes on the URL, I don't think they'll ban in social

<ejer> hehehe

<tonyyarusso> Maybe in ##linux - check the topic to see if it has a policy.

<tonyyarusso> ##off-topic should be safe.

<ejer> some viral marketing scheming

<ryanakca> Channel guidelines & forum on website http://www.linuxassist.net

<ryanakca> that's for ##linux

<ryanakca> grrr... why won't my bloody floppy mount....

* ryanakca will take care of ##linux

<tonyyarusso> reading those guidelines...

<ryanakca> oh well... too late :)

<tonyyarusso> kk

* ryanakca gave them the link

<tonyyarusso> It says "people come to talk about linux-related issues" anyway, so it might be fine.

<tonyyarusso> Let us know how it goes

<ryanakca> kk

<tonyyarusso> ejer: You do your two yet?

<ejer> uh no

<ejer> I don't really want to get banned

<ryanakca> doesn't look like we're getting much response in ##linux

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: My blog post pulled ahead of yours on Digg, so I think we're focusing on that one for now. I'm linked to you though.

<ryanakca> ejer: how often do you go to the channel?

<ejer> never

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I'm getting some visits, and at least one more Digg.

<ryanakca> ejer: so, you won't miss it

<lophyte> I hear TLUG is opposed to the idea

<tonyyarusso> ejer: I doubt you will anyway - #freenode-social is full of far worse stuff atm and nothing's happening.

<ryanakca> ejer: ban's in chans usually don't last long for first offences... couple of days :)

<tonyyarusso> #off-topic is always a trash heap ;)

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: WHy?

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> lophyte: why?

<ejer> ya... I will leave it up to you guys... spamming open source chat rooms seems slightly ironic

<lophyte> I don't know

<lophyte> myles just told me

<ryanakca> lophyte: heh

* ryanakca would love the opportunity

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Odd. Assure them (and follow through) that we will be well-behaved and respectful, improving our image only.

<lophyte> yeah

<ryanakca> you aren't going to be disruptive or in MS's way...

<lophyte> indeed

<tonyyarusso> ejer: you'll need to wait until you get voiced in f-s.

<lophyte> I don't know why everyone thinks guerilla marketing is so bad

<ryanakca> There's all ready a group of educated (well, hopefully) computer people there... so... they have an idea of what linux is...

<ryanakca> it can't hurt

<rexbron> hey, check this out, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351699

<ejer> it all depends how you come off in the press

<ejer> it can hurt IMO

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: heard about that before - cool</