<schoolboy> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<Jucato> morning

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<Jucato> breakfast

<RaymondX> good morning guys

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<str0ng> gud morning to all..

<drbeams> morning everyone

<grexk> gandang umaga pow

<RaymondX> im looking for someone who knows how to install linux on a pda

<grexk> what type of pda

<RaymondX> ipaq h3000

<RaymondX> :(

<dek> helo mga fafa

<grexk> helo rin mama

<dek> hehe

<dek> :)

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<grexk> fafa dek musta na po

<dek> deto

<dek> papatunaw ng kinain

<dek> hehe :)

<grexk> hehehe:)

<grexk> dek: di po ba may setup kau ng clvm?

<dek> oh di ko tinuloy

<dek> meron akong lvm2 na seup di ko na tinuloy yung clvm

<dek> tinamad ako saka daming bagong projects

<dek> hehe

<grexk> kala ko naman po matutulongan nyo ako

<grexk> :)

<dek> hehe bakit ?

<dek> anong problem

<dek> ?

<grexk> reference foo meron?

<dek> hrmmm redhat.com has alot of em

<dek> redhat alam ko gumawa nyang clvm

<str0ng> gud am fafa dek!

<dek> gud pm fafa str0ng

<str0ng> hehehe

<dek> dang busog na busog ako

<dek> hehe

<str0ng> fafa, may mga sites ka bang makukunan nang mga ebooks?

<str0ng> hinahanap ko yung.. Thinking in Java 4th ed. ni pareng bruce..

<grexk1> hehehe na dc

<grexk1> str0ng: natry mo na ba yung bluej?

<str0ng> grexk1, editor?

<dek> hehe

<str0ng> meron yata ako nyan..

<dek> narinig ko nanaman bluej

<dek> hehe

<grexk1> hahaha

<dek> IDE yan diba

<str0ng> whats with blueJ?

<dek> na gawa sa java?!? na pang education

*** grexk1 is now known as grexk

<str0ng> yeah.. IDE.. :)

<dek> hehe

<grexk> naginaya ni pareng visual

<dek> hehehe yep

<str0ng> visual?

<str0ng> vb?

<grexk> visualstudio

<str0ng> ay.. oo..

<str0ng> grrr.. san ko kaya ma download yung 4th ed. ni bruce..

<grexk> flazx.com

<str0ng> meron kaya dun..

<grexk> cguro

<dek> hehe

*** _dmax is now known as dmax

<dek> hay inaantok na ako

<dek> hahaha

<dek> di pa nag oonline fafa mangz ah

<dek> Jucato: gising

<rjian> cno my skype account d2?

<grexk> me

<rjian> grexk: cgi add kita anong account name?

<grexk> sori, di ko na maalala yung account ko

<grexk> :)

<rjian> haha

<rjian> ok

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<tulogako> hay

*** tulogako is now known as dekoy

<dekoy> gising ulit

<gnubee> yo!

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*** renfield is now known as nocti

<aaron> mangz_uwiii

*** aaron is now known as mangz_uwiii

<mangz_uwiii> hehehe

<mangz_uwiii> tao po

* mangz_uwiii slaps mangz_uwii

* Jucato slaps mangz_uwiii, mangz_uwii, and mangz_uwi

<mangz_uwiii> hehehe

<Jucato> nocti!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<nocti> huy

<Jucato> noct nocti nocti!!!!!!!!!!

<Jucato> teka bili lang ng Mt.Dew

<Jucato> nocti: yung bading na Ubuntu dev na nabanggit mo... "ikakasal" na ahahah!

<Jucato> coincidence nagsisisulputan tong mga information na to

<nocti> brokeback ubuntain?

<Jucato> hehe

<Jucato> http://blog.digital-scurf.org/2007/01/29#register-intent

<Jucato> Daniel Silverstone: mataba at balbas sarado, as you described :P

<nocti> sya nga. silverstone.

<nocti> now i remember

<nocti> because the name made me think of alicia...

<Jucato> oh di ba? biglang nagsisisulputan mga info about that :)

<nocti> hehe.

<drbeams> nite

<Jucato> pero hindi pa rin ako makapaniwala kay Scott James Remnant bwahaha

<Jucato> nite drbeams

<Jucato> teka bili lang ng Mt.Dew

<dekoy> nocti fafa

<dekoy> ba nagising pala fafa mangz_uwi

* mangz_uwiii slaps dekoy

<mangz_uwiii> hoy

<dekoy> hoy ka din

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> bachit ngayon ka lnag nag online?

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> tulog na mga tsikiting mo/

<dekoy> ?

<Jucato> hehe

<dekoy> musta na fafa jucato

<dekoy> na try mo na yung live cd mo ?

<Jucato> heeheh otey lang... eto natulog buong umaga

<dekoy> ano puro din dump core ?

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> hindi ko pa nasusubukan eh. haven't restarted since yestereday

<dekoy> haha sakin puro crash yung gaim

<dekoy> ayaw mag start crash ng crash

<dekoy> it's nice it needs alot of polish though

<dekoy> alot

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> fafa mangz_uwi

<dekoy> nawala ka nanaman

<Jucato> hahay

<Jucato> ay mali

<Jucato> hahay ?

<mangz_uwiii> dekoy:sorry

<mangz_uwiii> checking emails...

<mangz_uwiii> tulog na mga chikiting ko

<mangz_uwiii> pati misis...

<mangz_uwiii> spending my time :)

<Jucato> dekoy::sorry

<Jucato> hahah

<mangz_uwiii> dekoy:buti na lang na solve na isa sa mga problems ko

<mangz_uwiii> nabunutan ako ng tinik

<dekoy> alin ?

<nocti_> dekoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

<dekoy> which one

<mangz_uwiii> ok na apartment na stay kami until the 25th

<mangz_uwiii> hehehe

<dekoy> fafa nocti_

<dekoy> there ya go

<mangz_uwiii> di kami maho-homeless

<dekoy> goodj ob

<mangz_uwiii> hahahah

<dekoy> hehee

<dekoy> kaso san nyo dadalin gamit nyo ?

<Jucato> nice :)

<Jucato> teka... kelan kayou lilipat?

<mangz_uwiii> sa 22 ang closing

<dekoy> that's good

<mangz_uwiii> so pwede na kami lumipat after the signing

<dekoy> tawag ka ng kakailala nyo dyan

<mangz_uwiii> we have until the 25th here sa apartment

<mangz_uwiii> =)

<dekoy> kaibigan ni misis or who ever

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz_uwiii> so solve na

<dekoy> patulong kayong lumipat

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> thats good

<mangz_uwiii> yeah

<mangz_uwiii> yun ang aasikasuhin ko bukas at work..operation lipat

<dekoy> :)

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> dang openings ngayond ito sa minnesota

<dekoy> 1 C# developer

<dekoy> tapos puro mga .net developer

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> 2 lang ata sa java

<dekoy> hehe

<nocti_> hehe, microsofties pala mga taga mn dekoy :)

<nocti_> alien ka jan pre

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> merond in mga unix

<dekoy> pag linux redhat sila dito

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> fafa nocti ni record namin yung jam namin ni misis

<dekoy> nakakatawa

<dekoy> hahaha

<nocti_> hehe. mas ok yan, onti kalaban sa trabaho hehehe

<nocti_> dekoy: san pwede dl?

<dekoy> hehe di ko pa na lilipat pero okay lang konting linis pa

<dekoy> envelope ideas

<dekoy> hahaha

<nocti_> hehe

<nocti_> video ba o audio

<dekoy> video

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> hindi p0rn

<dekoy> hahhaa

<nocti_> oks :)

<dekoy> sabi nya nalilito sya sa may bandang solo ng guitara tapos konting linis paano tatapusin yung kanta

<dekoy> pag naayos namin papanood ko sayo

<dekoy> hehe

<nocti_> sige sige :) sino lead? kaw? wow teddy hehehe

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> ako syempre sya drums

<dekoy> haha

<nocti_> ayos :)

<dekoy> kailngan ko nalnag me kumanta keyboards saka base

<dekoy> kumpleto na

<dekoy> haha

<nocti_> gawin mo na lng riff ung intro na kbd

<nocti_> :)

<dekoy> yep yon nga ginawa ko

<dekoy> hehe

<nocti_> ayos yun, mas heavy hehe

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> pero mga kapatiran

<dekoy> ako ay mag papaaalam na

<Jucato> waaaaah malalagas buhok ko dito

<dekoy> tulugan na :)

<nocti_> oks

<nocti_> gnite

*** dekoy is now known as dektulog

<dektulog> fafa mangz_uwi

<dektulog> tulog na ako

<Jucato> night dektulog!

<dektulog> hehe tatabi ako sa baby ko

<dektulog> at nakagalitan ko kanina naglalambing

<dektulog> hehehe

<nocti_> hehe bad kaw

<dektulog> dude iba tong batangto

<dektulog> na ban sa gym kaniang umaga

<nocti_> bkt

<dektulog> sabi sakin papa I accidentally punch somebody

<dektulog> hahaha

<mangz_uwiii> nite pre

<nocti_> mana sa tatay

<mangz_uwiii> kita tayo bukas

<dektulog> bwahahhaa

<Jucato> kita saan?

<nocti_> hehe sige

<dektulog> dito Jucato dito tayo magkikita kita

<Jucato> lol oo nga pala

<Jucato> pero bukas medyo special day sakin

* Jucato applied for Kubuntu membership

<dektulog> tapos nung kinagalitan ko wlaang tv umiiyak nag drawing ng picture nya na naiyak

<dektulog> sabi sakin papa this is andrea she's crying

<dektulog> hahah

<dektulog> naawa tuloy ako

<dektulog> hahaha

<RaymondX> i need help installing linux on my pda

<mangz_uwiii> linux on your pda?

<mangz_uwiii> are you sure you want to do that?

<mangz_uwiii> that could make your pda a brick

<RaymondX> what do you mean?

<mangz_uwiii> it could make your pda useless

<mangz_uwiii> install linux on a pda is not the same as installing it on a regular computer

<mangz_uwiii> make sure you know what you are doing

<RaymondX> my pda doesnt have anything in it to begin with

<mangz_uwiii> what pda doesn't have anything on it?

<mangz_uwiii> what is your pda?

<RaymondX> ipaq h3000

<mangz_uwiii> most pda's come with palm os or wince

<mangz_uwiii> ipaq h3000 has wince

<mangz_uwiii> you don't just install another os in there

<RaymondX> but its stuck and not booting up

<mangz_uwiii> you have to flash it on the system

<mangz_uwiii> if its stuck..how are you going to install the linux

<mangz_uwiii> u need to have a working pda to start off

<mangz_uwiii> coz how could u flash the memory to install linux

<mangz_uwiii> dude..u r thinking of the pda as if its a regular pc

<RaymondX> wait

<RaymondX> its stuck on the opening page that says ipaq pocket pc compaq

<mangz_uwiii> putting linux is not the solution

<mangz_uwiii> look up the problem in hp's website

<Jucato> RaymondX: I suggest you first 1) get that fixed then 2) learn how PDA's work, then you can learn how to install another OS on it

<mangz_uwiii> RaymondX:jucato is correct

<RaymondX> this thing has been to hundreds of compaq outlets

<RaymondX> none of them cant seen to make it work

<mangz_uwiii> u need to have a working PDA to install / flash linux into it

<Jucato> maybe it's a hardware problem

<mangz_uwiii> RaymondX:if thats the case...even compaq is unable to fix it...then its already a brick

<mangz_uwiii> i have studied install linux into pdas for almost two years now but never had the guts to do it...one mistake could mean a useless pda

<Jucato> waaah stupid!!!

<mangz_uwiii> huh?

<RaymondX> or probably its os is just corrupted

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<Jucato> I pressed Ctrl+Q instead of Ctrl+W

<Jucato> stupid stupid stupid!!!

<mangz_uwiii> if it is corrupted..why not reinstall the wince..or reboot it

<mangz_uwiii> if it is just corrupted...

<mangz_uwiii> compaq would have already fixed it?

<RaymondX> how do you reinstall wince?

<Jucato> if it's corrupted, they would have reflashed the thing and reinstalled

<mangz_uwiii> thats the problem..u can't reinstall it./.

<mangz_uwiii> its flash to the memory

<Jucato> == reformat the brick

<mangz_uwiii> kung ordinary pc yan

<mangz_uwiii> nasa bios ang OS

<mangz_uwiii> kung sira ang bios mo

<mangz_uwiii> tinatapon na ang motherboard

<mangz_uwiii> unless super galing ka na technician to unsolder the bios

<RaymondX> you mean its os is a firmware...not a software?

<Jucato> O.O

<mangz_uwiii> the os is flashed to the pda

<mangz_uwiii> if it would have been the easy to install another os in there?

<mangz_uwiii> would u think we would have a fully working Linux PDA by now?

<Jucato> iba ang hardware architecture ng mobile devices from PC's

<Jucato> flash memory and stuff

<mangz_uwiii> its flash..

<mangz_uwiii> every is on a chip on the pda

* Jucato gave up trying to understand those things long ago

<mangz_uwiii> if it was that easy to install on a pda

<mangz_uwiii> canonical should have already release a pda version

<mangz_uwiii> of ubuntu

<mangz_uwiii> make sense diba?

<mangz_uwiii> think about it

* Jucato suddenly thinks of OpenMoko

<mangz_uwiii> PDAs has been out for years

<mangz_uwiii> but whatever OS you have in there..it stays there

<mangz_uwiii> u can cold reboot it and erase your info but the OS stays the same

<mangz_uwiii> they've had some headway with Familiar + GPE (gnome) or Opie (KDE)

<mangz_uwiii> but they haven't even released a fully working version yet

<Jucato> mangz_uwiii: grabe lately a KDE dev was able to install KDE on a HTC Voyager (yata)

<Jucato> sobrang inggit ako!!!

<RaymondX> hmmmm id better start looking for a birdbrain i can sell this thing to....

<mangz_uwiii> did u buy it like that?

<RaymondX> yep it was working then

<mangz_uwiii> have u tried to reboot it

<RaymondX> yep

<mangz_uwiii> may maliit na button somewhere sa back..tinutusok...

<mangz_uwiii> erases everything

<RaymondX> did that thousands of times

<Jucato> pasalamat ka nga compaq sa'yo eh... nang nasira HTC Tanager ko, pahirapan maghanap ng mag-aayos...

<RaymondX> how much is a pda these days...the cheapest ones?

<RaymondX> i think ive learned my lesson

<RaymondX> never buy 2nd hand electronic goods

<Jucato> RaymondX: if you buy 2nd hand, you have to be smart and careful

<RaymondX> anyway it wasnt me who bought it

<mangz_uwiii> raymond:research research research

<mangz_uwiii> know what you are buying

<RaymondX> its my stupid sister who thinks she knows everything

<mangz_uwiii> know its cons..pros

<nocti_> if it's trash then better experiment with it and learn something than sell it for a few bucks that'll evaporate in a week or so

<nocti_> at least what you learned stays in your head... at least for a while

*** nocti_ is now known as nocti

<Jucato> yeah... of course, unless it absolutely trash... then you just use it for paperweight :)

<nocti> mangz_uwiii: musta na pala lfs mo?

<Jucato> hehe wala na :P

<Jucato> sumuko at bumalik sa Debian :p

<nocti> ah

<Jucato> ako medyo ok ang KAFS ko :)

<Jucato> but *might* need to reinstall or something later on

<nocti> matulin sec mirrors ng debian ngayon a.. bilis wget ko. last week timeout lagi

<mangz_uwiii> nocti:pahinga muna ako sa lfs

<nocti> ok

<mangz_uwiii> pero the dream is still alive

<mangz_uwiii> nagsawa lang ako

<nocti> mangz_uwiii: hehe gentoo na lng.. lfs is gentoo /without/ portage

<mangz_uwiii> hehehe

<Jucato> sasabihin nyan, BSD na lang

<mangz_uwiii> i was actually looking into that a couple of days ago

<nocti> wag lng genkernel

<mangz_uwiii> hehehe

<nocti> hehe

<mangz_uwiii> actually bsd ako last week

<mangz_uwiii> hahaha

<mangz_uwiii> bukas debian

<Jucato> I'd hate to think of compiling everything from X downwards...

<mangz_uwiii> debian para madali

<nocti> ah oks. hehe my openbsd p3 is still workin :)

<Jucato> wow mga experts talaga!!

<mangz_uwiii> okay

<Jucato> I'm in the company of giants

<mangz_uwiii> lugto na ako

<nocti> debian is nice too :) i have that in bulacan.

<nocti> gnite mangz_uwiii

<mangz_uwiii> nite

<Jucato> nocti: are you familiar with $PATH's and bash (bashrc/bash_profile)?

<nocti> yep

<nocti> why

<Jucato> kasi medyo may problem ako...

<nocti> /usr/bin

<nocti> /usr/local/bin

<nocti> kung gusto mo include the current directory ./

<nocti> pero delikado daw un

<nocti> ano prob

<Jucato> here's the situation: default $PATH is defined in /etc/environment as PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"

<nocti> kanino yan kay root?

<nocti> bkit may sbin

<Jucato> system (all users)

<Jucato> di ba sa Ubuntu ganun

<nocti> hmm ah sudo nga pala ubuntuy

<nocti> o ano prob

<Jucato> anyway, I want to add a few more bin paths to this user only. I added this in .bashrc: export PATH=/home/jucato/kde/install/bin:/home/jucato/kde/qt-copy/bin:/opt/local/install/bin:$PATH

<Jucato> here's the problem. sa mga tty's, nakikita ang /sbin and /usr/sbin. pero sa terminal emulators (konsole or xterm), they are missing

<mangz_uwii> tulog na rin ako

<mangz_uwii> gnite

<mangz_uwii> lol

<mangz_uwii> hehhe

<Jucato> ngek

<nocti> hehe

<Jucato> lol g'night mangz_uwii!

<nocti> doppelganger

<Jucato> clones

<Jucato> yung isa maiiwan ehehe

<Jucato> so that's my problem... how and where do I properly add/set the additional paths, so that the correct/complete paths are read in both tty's and konsole/xterm?

<nocti> .bash_profile

<Jucato> ok, I'll try

<Jucato> nope, doesn't work...

<Jucato> err...teka

* Jucato confused...

<Jucato> ok, that's just... weird...

<nocti> Jucato: did you relogin? quote the whole path thingie... and make $PATH into ${PATH}

<Jucato> hm... kelangan ba mag relogin? teka ha :)

<nocti> or . ./.bash_profile

<Jucato> I'll be back.....

<nocti> no i meant into another term... oh well

<gnubee> sa wakas napagana ko rin yung serial console ng ultra10 ko :)

<gnubee> weeeeee!

<Jucato> that didn't work...

<Jucato> only login shells merong access sa /sbin at /usr/sbin

<nocti> echo $PATH

<nocti> sa x console

<Jucato> oh well...

<nocti> does it include your new paths?

<Jucato> it does, but without sbin directories

<nocti> ah...

<Jucato> wala pong problema yung new paths ko

<Jucato> ang problema ko, ung sbin...

<Jucato> /home/jucato/kde/install/bin:/home/jucato/kde/qt-copy/bin:/opt/local/install/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/games <-- from konsole

<Jucato> pero pag sa tty, kasama yung /sbin

<nocti> do you have .Xsession or .xinitrc somewhere in ~

<nocti> ?

<Jucato> let me check

<Jucato> wala po (not a default install siguro kasi)

<nocti> ah wait

<nocti> di ba your using a new compile of kde?

<nocti> you're

<Jucato> opo

<nocti> ok... hmmm

<Jucato> everything KDE is compiled

<Jucato> base system, like X, isn't

<nocti> do you have other x consoles available for testing? urxvt, Eterm

<nocti> it might be that kde is setting a new $PATH in your konsole or whatever... not sure tho

<Jucato> xterm

<Jucato> xterm behaves exactly like Konsole...

<Jucato> siguro there's a user setting somewhere.... :(

<nocti> can you paste your /etc/profile /etc/bashrc (/etc/bash/bashrc)

<zakame> afternoon all

<Jucato> good afternoon zakame!!

<zakame> yo Jucato

<nocti> zak

<nocti> may prob si Jucato sa $PATH nya

<zakame> just upgraded my connection, its now a 512 pipe :0

<Jucato> heh nice :)

<zakame> s/:0/:)/

<nocti> zakame: nice :)

<zakame> what about $PATH?

<nocti> zakame: how much does that cost?

<Jucato> teka lang pasting my bashrc and bash_profile :)

<zakame> nocti: just the same :P

<nocti> ok im outa here, going home. will login later i hope :)

<Jucato> bashrc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3561/

<Jucato> bash_profile: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3562/

<nocti> ay ok

<nocti> wait

<Jucato> zakame: basic problem. non-login shells, can't see sbin directories after I added my own paths to $PATH

<Jucato> zakame: pero sa tty's (login shells?) ok naman

<zakame> Jucato: where did you define your path?

<zakame> in ~/.bash_profile?

<Jucato> zakame: .bash_profile

<zakame> Jucato: define it in ~/.bashrc then, then include that in ~/.bash_profile

<Jucato> doesn't .bash_profile read/run .bashrc automatically?

<zakame> nope

<Jucato> zakame: if you look at the pastebins, gumawa ako ng short "test", with "echo $MSG",

<zakame> you should do `if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi

<zakame> yeah

<nocti> yes

<nocti> looks fine to me

<Jucato> zakame: nandun na yan po sa .bash_profile

<Jucato> yung if.. fi

<zakame> then put your `export PATH=...` line in ~/.bashrc

<Jucato> ok. let me try

<Jucato> ilagay ko po ba sa pinkataas?

<Jucato> remove it from .bash_profile, too?

<zakame> anywhere will do fine, unless some other program below needs to see your new $PATH

<zakame> yes, remove it from .bash_profile

<zakame> although you can also do some PATH fiddling there, just don't export it

<Jucato> hm...

<Jucato> brb. relogin

<zakame> so, did it work?

<Jucato> no workey... hehe ok lang po... tnx n lang muna

<Jucato> everything's fine sa tty's... hindi lang sa Konsole

<Jucato> oh well...

<Jucato> btw zakame, I'm applying for Kubuntu membership sa meeting bukas

<zakame> strange, my setup here works great

<Jucato> zakame: at may kubuntu meeting at 7am (our time) sa #ubuntu-meeting

* Jucato sobs

<Jucato> me and my custom installs :P

<zakame> wow, karma overhaul in LP. I'm back to a thousand :P

<zakame> my ~/.bash* stuff's carried over from Debian, never borked

<Jucato> haha yeah. ung 79,000+ ko naging 500+ na lang

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<schoolboy> weeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEv

<Jucato> hi schoolboy

<zakame> yo schoolboy

<Jucato> hehe

<Jucato> zakame: pupunta ka sa meeting bukas?

<zakame> 7am right?

<Jucato> yep

<zakame> cool, make it a date

<Jucato> hehe sana hindi nila ako kainin bukas :)

<zakame> hehe

<Jucato> waaah hindi na naman ako nakapag-aral... :(

<Jucato> haay... brb...

<Nhatz> waaazzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

<Jucato> Nhatz: still no luck with that perl thing?

<Nhatz> yup

<Jucato> I strongly suggest lurking in #ubuntu and asking your questions in um... around 4-6 hours if you can...

<Jucato> or even earlier... take into consideration timezones

<Nhatz> it says LC_ALL (unset)

<zakame> Nhatz: what about the perl thing?

<Nhatz> Tahimik ngayon ah.....?

<Nhatz> zakame: laging LC_ALL (unset)

<Nhatz> badtrip na....!

<Nhatz> hehehehe

<zakame> what's you `locale` ? Even I have LC_ALL= and there's no perl nagging me

<Nhatz> zakame: perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

<Nhatz> LANGUAGE = "en_PH:en",

<Nhatz> LC_ALL = (unset),

<Nhatz> LANG = "en_PH.UTF-8"

<Nhatz> oops! flood na ba?

<Nhatz> :-D

* Jucato drowns

<Nhatz> sorry......

<zakame> did you do the dpkg-reconfigure I told you to do?

<Nhatz> zakame: yup!

<Nhatz> zakame: ganun parin e

<zakame> strange

<Nhatz> oo nga e

<Nhatz> zakame: wierd!

<zakame> were you able to regenerate the en_PH.UTF-8 locales?

<Nhatz> zakame: Hai!

* Jucato sighs...

<zakame> can you try doing it again using `sudo locale-gen en_PH.UTF-8`?

<Nhatz> zakame: Okie

<Nhatz> zakame: Generation Complete

<zakame> try reproducing the perl nag again

<Nhatz> zakame: How?

<zakame> what you do to get that perl warning

<Nhatz> installing from automatix

<zakame> ah

<Nhatz> zakame: why?

<Jucato> heheh :)

<Jucato> <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe

<zakame> kaya pala

* Jucato whistles gleefully

<Nhatz> Jucato: Ah.......

<Jucato> if you're wondering about !WorksForMe...

<zakame> not that using automatix is unsupported, but doing so can break your system since it practically overrides dpkg

<Jucato> <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.

<Jucato> zakame: actually, it is "unsupported" by a lot of devs... but not "officially"

<Nhatz> Okie

<zakame> Jucato: that's the ubuntu-dev's position, of course they won't support it from a developer's standpoint

<Jucato> point :)

<zakame> automatix, et al. breaks the unwritten contract of using only either dpkg or installing under /opt or /usr/local without mangling /usr or /var

<Nhatz> Hindi na ako maka relate.......

<Jucato> and breaking the unwriten contract of not using unofficial 3rd-party repos :P

<Jucato> which could break stability

<zakame> Nhatz: basically, you'd install software from the Ubuntu repositories via dpkg/apt

<Nhatz> zakame: ok.....

<zakame> Nhatz: if you want to install software that's outside the repositories, you either build it yourself from source, or ask someone to package the mentioned software

<Jucato> or. or... bah nvm :P

<Nhatz> okie

* zakame makes a new feisty chroot

<Jucato> zakame: kung alam ko lang na malapit na feature freeze, I would have hurried up and learned packaging... package ko sana kuickview as my first project...

<zakame> Jucato: well you can help out on fixing RC bugs, see ubuntu-motu's /topic

<Jucato> hahay

<Jucato> zakame: ok lang kahit hindi ako umabot sa feisty siguro. I'm happy enough with my name and guide in KDE 3.5.6 User Guide :)

<Jucato> I'm also waiting for news on my 2 konqueror patches...

<zakame> who listens to last.fm here? :)

* Jucato doesn't... :P

<zakame> haven't either too, for a while

<zakame> but amarok keeps scrobbling my audio to it

<schoolboy> =))

<Jucato> hello

<Jucato> aba silent entrance ah

<kadjo_uwi> ako na lang

<Jucato> wehehe

<Jucato> sige mag sialisan kayo

<kadjo_uwi> for schoolboy:uwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

<kadjo_uwi> jucato:

<Jucato> lol

<kadjo_uwi> ano yang pinag uusapan ninyo?

<Jucato> nino?

<kadjo_uwi> freeze?

<kadjo_uwi> ni zakame

<kadjo_uwi> gusto ko matuto ng freeze

<schoolboy> hihi im tired eh

<Jucato> feature freeze: when you can't add any new features to the development branch (or soemthing like that)

<zakame> yeah, main's frozen for herd3

<zakame> though you could still fix RC bugs for universe though

<Jucato> Feb 15 Feature Freeze right?

<kadjo_uwi> eh?

<kadjo_uwi> packager ba yan?

<Jucato> si zakame? of course!

<Jucato> he's a MOTU

<kadjo_uwi> nope..ibig kong sabihin

<kadjo_uwi> yang freeze

<Jucato> yeah. dev stuff :)

<kadjo_uwi> nag aaral kasi ako ng pyinstaller

<kadjo_uwi> sabi nila meron daw freeze

<kadjo_uwi> anong ibig sabihin ng motu?

<kadjo_uwi> ehehehe language yan ng papua new guinean ah

<Jucato> Masters of the Universe

<Jucato> !motu

<butiki> Somebody said motu is Master(s) of the Universe, or the maintainers of packages in universe and multiverse, Jucato

<kadjo_uwi> ah

<kadjo_uwi> i see

<kadjo_uwi> kaya pala

<kadjo_uwi> sige sige

<kadjo_uwi> motu

<Jucato> hehe

<Jucato> tingnan natin kung alam ni butiki to...

<Jucato> !schedule

<butiki> Dunno, Jucato.

<kadjo_uwi> !jucato

<butiki> Dunno!

<kadjo_uwi> !pepesmith

<butiki> I have no idea!

<Jucato> <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule

<kadjo_uwi> !dekoy

<butiki> Wish I knew.

<kadjo_uwi> !zakame

<butiki> It has been said that zakame is a novice in the Perl monastery, kadjo_uwi

<Jucato> perl?!?! O.o

<kadjo_uwi> novice in perl monastery?

<kadjo_uwi> eh?

<kadjo_uwi> !jsgotangco

<butiki> Somebody said jsgotangco is big kahuna of #ubuntu-ph, kadjo_uwi

<kadjo_uwi> !ulinskie

<butiki> I have no idea, kadjo_uwi.

<kadjo_uwi> !mangz74

<butiki> No idea!

<kadjo_uwi> !dous

<butiki> Bugger all, I dunno.

* Jucato is an postulant in the Order of C++, under the Father Superior, Michael Berris (mikhail^)

<kadjo_uwi> !mikhail^

<butiki> I don't know.

<Jucato> hehe

<kadjo_uwi> hindi ka postulant

<kadjo_uwi> pastor ka

<kadjo_uwi> umalis ka kasi sa seminaryo wekekekekek

<kadjo_uwi> :)

<Jucato> hahah

<Jucato> kaya nga postulant lang eh

<kadjo_uwi> tapos ko nang mag write

<Jucato> pero deacon na ako sa Kongregation of KDE

<kadjo_uwi> uwi na ako

<Jucato> bye bye

<kadjo_uwi> ako lay cooperator lang ako

<Jucato> see you laterez

<kadjo_uwi> nice talaga ang nautilus ba

<kadjo_uwi> galing mag write :)

<Jucato> O.O

<Jucato> ew...

<kadjo_uwi> ano yang o.o ?

<Jucato> nanlaki mata

<kadjo_uwi> sige pastor jucato

<kadjo_uwi> aws postulant jucato

<Jucato> babu

<kadjo_uwi> uwi na po

<kadjo_uwi> wekekekekek gnome ako forever na to

<kadjo_uwi> :)

<Jucato> KDE to infinity!!

* Jucato switches to Xfce...

<kadjo_uwi> ..to infinity and beyond...

<Jucato> hehehe

* kadjo_uwi lilipad sa kalawakan..

* kadjo_uwi with loaded magic arenola

<jsgotangco> hello

<Jucato> good evening kuya jerome!!!!

<zakame> yo jsgotangco

<jsgotangco> grabe wala pa tulog hehe

<zakame> brb maglalaba :P

<jsgotangco> kararating ko lang

<zakame> from .id

<Jucato> jsgotangco: from Indonesia? welcome back!!!

<zakame> ?

<jsgotangco> yeah

<jsgotangco> i feel sad though

<zakame> bakit naman?

<Jucato> bakt po?

<jsgotangco> ive met some really good friends that i may never see again

<Jucato> aw? :(

<zakame> never say never again

<jsgotangco> dinala ni jaya kumar yung olpc

<jsgotangco> zakame: get the same 120+ people at the same venue? good luck

<zakame> still its remotely possible :P

<jsgotangco> good luck

<Jucato> or not all of them, but maybe some/most :)

<jsgotangco> but i will make sure i will go to Nepal and Pakistan this year

<jsgotangco> for foaud and ekta

<jsgotangco> ekta is still probably in her plane

<jsgotangco> actually i'll be pretty depressed tomorrow

<jsgotangco> si yolynne, naging sikat sa camp because of massage

<jsgotangco> hehe

<Jucato> hehe nag business ba?

<jsgotangco> tumitirik mga mata ng mga egyptians

<Jucato> ehehe

<jsgotangco> we have around 4000 photos from the 9 day camp

<jsgotangco> i dunno how i will put them all

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<zakame> heh, jetsetter :)

<zakame> yo dartmolx

<dartmolx> yo zakame, ssup? :D

<zakame> rebuilding my feisty chroot to help in the RC merging effort

<dartmolx> wow, that's cool :)

<zakame> cowdancer does wonders now

<zakame> how's work?

<dartmolx> still having fun in the office, i guess

<dartmolx> though not that active in the community lately

* dartmolx whispers, "busy with clients"

<zakame> hehe

<zakame> jsgotangco: you listen to last.fm right?

<Jucato> hi strong_

<zakame> yo strong_

<strong_> yow zakame Jucato :)

<strong_> gud pm both of you..

<jsgotangco> zakame: not lately, im not really interested in software at the moment

* jsgotangco goes in a corner and curls

<Jucato> aw. :(

<zakame> jsgotangco: get some rest then

<jsgotangco> not yet :)

<strong_> gud pm jsgotangco :)

<zakame> so what's keeping you?

<jsgotangco> im just looking at email, we didn't have stable net access for 9 days

<jsgotangco> not to mention a western toilet and hot water =)

<zakame> no heaters?

<jsgotangco> heaters are for wimps

<jsgotangco> haha

<jsgotangco> you have to imagine how our place looks like and how far it is away from jakarta

<zakame> it's a camp I gather

<zakame> thank $DEITY for offlineimap

* Jucato whispers... geek stuff...

<jsgotangco> its not really a geek camp

<jsgotangco> when you get like 120 people in one place for 9 days without any decent form of entertainment things happen

<zakame> kinda like survivor?

<Jucato> heh :0

<jsgotangco> oh more than survivor for sure

<zakame> hmm its almost done

<zakame> latest weekly cd of etch

<zakame> salut janm

<janm> hello zak

<janm> how's it going?

<iidadmin> hello folks. anybody here used gyache?

<iidadmin> how do you make the sound work?

<zakame> hello iidadmin

<zakame> janm: here rebuilding my feisty chroot

<zakame> iidadmin: I used to package gyach-improved, but that was some time ago... back then sound just worked

<Jucato> grabe, daming kelangang basahin about Packaging in the wikis... hindi pa arranged in topical order yung iba... there are *lots* :)

* Jucato tries to take note, maybe he can help...

<iidadmin> i am in ubuntu-dapper and we just cant figure out how to make the sound work. :(

<janm> iidadmin, tried checking the logs?

<iidadmin> "/var/log/messages" ? or another?

<zakame> yeah, that, or syslog

<iidadmin> nothing interesting.

<iidadmin> i meant in the logs. :)

<zakame> what's your /proc/asound/cards

<zakame> ?

<Jucato> zakame: is the packaging guide a good place to start?

<zakame> Jucato: of course

<Jucato> heh ok. napapa-isip lang ako about preparing/setting up the system for development/packaging

<zakame> Jucato: so is developers-reference

<Jucato> san po yan?

<zakame> its a package

<Jucato> aaah

<zakame> its from Debian, so its centered to processes that you can do as a Debian packager/developer

<zakame> but its still a big help

<Jucato> heh ok... but I'll start with something small, like on Ubuntu first :)

<zakame> start dissecting an existing package, for example

<Jucato> heh meron na nga akong parang target app to package :)

<zakame> I have several package sources up at mentors.debian.net, so you could take a look at those

<Jucato> sana umabot.... 15 days to go

<Jucato> thanks

<Jucato> wow debian dev ka rin po pala O.O

<Jucato> bah brb.. dinner...

<zakame> me too, dinner

<zakame> Jucato: I was a Debian maintainer first :)

<jsgotangco> zakame: you got approved already?

<zakame> jsgotangco: I'm still on NM

<jsgotangco> right

<zakame> I plan to go to debconf though this june :)

<jsgotangco> where will it happen?

<zakame> edinburgh

<jsgotangco> UK?

<jsgotangco> hmmm so many photos

<jsgotangco> i can't decide

<jsgotangco> i will just post the ones with me and a linuxchick

<jsgotangco> haha

<zakame> lol

* Terminus patiently waits for the linuxchick

<zakame> Jucato: see you later at the meeting

<Jucato> zakame: op cors op cors :)

<nocti> why does the windows vista logo look alot like one of gentoo's bubble icons?

<Jucato> hehe what did you expect? :P

<Jucato> originality? :D

<nocti> well no. i just feel... hah. oh well. im too tired to think right now

<nocti> :D

<nocti> Jucato, how's your path probs?

<Jucato> still there...

<nocti> must be your kde stuff

<Jucato> probably... not entirely sure...

<nocti> try another wm/de and try opening a console

*** mangz_uwi is now known as mangz74

<mangz74> i'm back!!!!

<Jucato> webaks!

<Jucato> brb.. may idedeliver lang

<Jucato> hahay!!!

<Jucato> mangz74: musta musta??

<mangz74> ok lang pre

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<Jucato> damn! hindi pa ako nakakapag isip ng intro ko para sa meeting

<Jucato> gaaah!!! why did I launch Krita?!?!!?

<Jucato> when I wanted to launch Kate!

<mangz74> what are you talking about?

<mangz74> what meeting?

<Jucato> kubuntu meeting

<Jucato> mag-aaply ako for membership

<mangz74> paano ba mag-apply ng membership?

<mangz74> ano ba requirments

* mangz74 is not thinking of applying

<mangz74> :)

<Jucato> hah let me get the page

<mangz74> i really won't apply..just curious

<mangz74> do u have to do that with KDE?

<Jucato> yeah, I'm getting the page with the requirement

<Jucato> no

<mangz74> apply for membership?

<Jucato> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember

<mangz74> i don't think they do this with debian too

<Jucato> you don't have to do that with KDE

<Jucato> they have a different form of initiation :D

<mangz74> with kde..u just offer your services right??

<Jucato> iba naman kasi ito eh. I'm not applying for developer status (MOTU) just yet

<Jucato> members != developer

<Jucato> iba ang process for becoming a UBuntu dev, iba rin sa Debian, they have their own processes

<Jucato> mas mahirap ata sa Debian

<dekoy> ehlo

<dekoy> ang alin?

<Jucato> hi dekoy!

<dekoy> hi fafa

<mangz74> uy pogi

* dekoy kiss fafa mangz74

<Jucato> mag apply to be a DD

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> hehe developer ?

<dekoy> DD ?

<mangz74> developer na si jucato dude

<Jucato> debian develoer

<mangz74> hehehe

<dekoy> oh

<Jucato> lol no

<dekoy> sa debian

<dekoy> if you have a gpg key

<dekoy> and somebody there sign it

<dekoy> dd kana

<mangz74> lets bow to jucato

<mangz74> ganoon lang?

<dekoy> yep

<Jucato> ows?

<mangz74> hehehe

<dekoy> it's a matter of trust

<Jucato> tanong natin kay zakame :P

<Jucato> ah yung trust ang mahirap

<dekoy> hehe i worked with one of the kernel maintainers dati ng debian

<dekoy> si sven

<dekoy> sabi sakin you want me to sign your key

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> ayaw ko nahiya ako

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> sayang!!

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> dude! bragging rights din yan!

<dekoy> pa sign ka ke pusakat

<dekoy> :)

<dekoy> or ke zak

<dekoy> bragging rights ko kilalala ko si jucato

<dekoy> diba mangz74

<Jucato> lol

<Jucato> not yet...

* dekoy naka chat ko dati si jucato sa #ubuntu-ph

<dekoy> bah

<Jucato> "woman, my time has not yet come"

<dekoy> bwahahahaha

<dekoy> tado ka ano ka si ....

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> bad boy

<Jucato> :P

<dekoy> taemik si fafa mangz74

<strong_> gud pm all..

<mangz74> yeah yeah

<dekoy> fafa strong_

<Jucato> strong_: good pm malakas

<strong_> fafa deks.. kuya Jucato :)

<mangz74> dude...makasama ka lang namin dito jucato...

<strong_> nyahihih

<mangz74> masaya na kami

<mangz74> hahhaa

<mangz74> thats our purpose in life...to be with you

<mangz74> hahahaha

<strong_> hehehe..

<Jucato> roflmao

<dekoy> hehehehhe

* dekoy bows down to jucato the master

<Jucato> bah

<strong_> wow..

* strong_ bow..

<Jucato> naman naman

* strong_ <--- nakisali din

<Jucato> intayin nyo pag core dev na ako ng sourcemage

<Jucato> este Kubuntu

* Jucato sipol

<Jucato> dekoy: hindi pa rin ako nakakapag restart bwhahah

<dekoy> hehehe ish okay

<dekoy> :0

<Jucato> dekoy: meaning, haven't tried Mandriva+Metisse yet

<dekoy> sakin crash ng crash if i run gaim

<dekoy> hehe :)

<dekoy> and it's okay

<Jucato> kainis.. lagi na lang GNOME lol

<Jucato> di bale... sa KWin 4, talbog silang lahat

<dekoy> one thing i don't understang when you move the window like turn it around do a 90 deg. or what ever

<Jucato> eyecandy built on top of stability :D

<dekoy> pati yung menu naka ganong posisyon

<dekoy> di mo maclick yung menu

<dekoy> hehe

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<mangz74> hahahy

<mangz74> dekoy..

<mangz74> ano ba magandang contribution natin sa open source community other than maging pogi dito

<Jucato> LOL irl

<mangz74> sa pagiging pogi...anlaki na nacontribute natin ah

<mangz74> taena ...kundi sa atin...pano na lang si jucato

<Jucato> oo nga!

<Jucato> you gave birth to a god

<Jucato> bwahahahaha

* mangz74 slaps jucato

<Jucato> waaaaaaaaaaaaah

<mangz74> wag ka masyadong ambisyoso...

<Jucato> uwaaah!!

* Jucato runs crying

<mangz74> andito si master dekoy

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> hahahha

<Jucato> kuya zakame!!! hinaharass nila ako!!! :(

<mangz74> harass - wrong word

<dekoy> hahahahaha

<mangz74> rape?

<Jucato> hindi pwede rape eh....

<Jucato> ang rape kasi, without consent

<Jucato> ay! wrong context

<Jucato> di ako bakla, kla kla kla kla

<Jucato> sayang pala di nyo naabutan si kuya jerome. fresh from indonesia

<dekoy> hahah

* Jucato wished Knightlust were here... may sasabihin ako...

<dekoy> ako naabutan ko

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> ano naabutan mo?

<dekoy> si jerome

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> fafa ko yon eh

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> hoy hoy hoy

<mangz74> i just booted to my new debian / kde system

<mangz74> kpersonalizer....

<Jucato> nice :)

<mangz74> welcome to kde 3.5.5

<mangz74> :)

<Jucato> bwahaha stupid kpersonalizer

<Jucato> ngek! 3.5.5 pa lang

<mangz74> hehehe

<Jucato> btw, alam ko san galing yung babaeng naka-dress sa kpersonalizer

<mangz74> wala pa 3.5.6 sa etch

<mangz74> i might install it myself

<Jucato> etch? yetch... sid ka na! bwahahah

<mangz74> sino yan? ikaw?

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> no i mean sid...

<mangz74> naka sid ako

<Jucato> hindi, yun ang isa sa default models ng Poser (3D software)

<mangz74> ah ok

<Jucato> lomang version gn Poser

<mangz74> ano ba laman ng kdeadmin?

<Jucato> teka check ko

<Jucato> kcron, kdat, knetworkconf, kpackage, ksysv, kuser, lilo-config

<Jucato> mostly admin tools

* drbeams hates all the k's

<Jucato> and you like the gedit, gnomebaker, gnome-terminal, gthumb, gconf?

<Jucato> patas lang naman. minsan nga lang, parang bobo nag name nung app sa KDE :P

<drbeams> no, i don't like the firs letter added

<drbeams> it's korny

<Jucato> hehe :)

<Jucato> digikam, okular, amarok, kate, konqueror, akregator, kontact :)

<Jucato> yung mga nilista ko, sa taas, lumang naming yun

<drbeams> it shouts of lack of imagination

<mangz74> drbeams:are you aware you are starting a flame war?

<Jucato> heh dito lang naman eh :)

* Jucato gets the fire extinguisher

<drbeams> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/9096/53/

<Jucato> mangz74: nasabi ko ba that I love the OSD of konvi?

<mangz74> drbeams:and how is that article related to what we were discussing here?

<mangz74> dang

<Jucato> lol

<mangz74> sino yan si drbeams?

<Jucato> kool ka lang fafi :)

<drbeams> oops

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<mangz74> oops ano?

<drbeams> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/9085/53/

<Jucato> ??

* Jucato kuha tubig.. naubusan ng laway

<mangz74> hookay...

<mangz74> and what on that article drbeams??

<mangz74> apple/

* mangz74 is confused...

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> i got my mind set on you

<dekoy> i got my mind set on you

* dekoy kiss fafa Jucato

<Jucato> hehe

<Jucato> may sinusubukan lang

<Jucato> testing ko lang kung naka +i nga ako

<dekoy> what's +i

<dekoy> invinsible ?

<Jucato> yep

<Jucato> you won't see other channels I'm in, unless you're also in that channel

<dekoy> I am invinsible as long as I'm alive

<dekoy> yep you are only in ubuntu

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> hahah :P

* mangz74 looks around

<mangz74> saan si jucato

<mangz74> waaaaaaaahh...

<mangz74> i'm getting blind

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> heheheh

<Jucato> hehe

<mangz74> drbeams:kilala mo si raymondX?

<Jucato> no you're not... I'm just invincible :)

<drbeams> mangz74: ?

<mangz74> do u know raymondx?

<dekoy> oh mali pala spelling ko

<dekoy> dang

<dekoy> masyado kayong mga spelling saka grammar nazi dito

<dekoy> sheesh

<dekoy> :)

<Jucato> dekoy: lol tama spelling mo

<Jucato> iba meaning ng invincible sa invisible

<dekoy> oh mali basa ko

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> lol

<dekoy> kala ko sabi mo invicible

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> dang

<dekoy> me n pala don

<Jucato> roflmao

<dekoy> hahaha

<drbeams> mangz74: hindi

<mangz74> ah ok...

*** drbeams is now known as Alter-Ego

*** Alter-Ego is now known as drbeams

<mangz74> hmm

<Jucato> roflmao

<mangz74> there you are..

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> bakt kasi papalit-palit ng nick eh

<dekoy> kasi damign nick din eh

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> alter-ego, ahmuck, ngayon...

<mangz74> hmm

<Jucato> para kang si schoolboy lol

<drbeams> ngayon ?

<dekoy> dude i though you can't understand filipino ?

<drbeams> :-) i'm learning

<schoolboy> halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu halu

<dekoy> was that a front

<dekoy> dude that's bull

<dekoy> i saw you talk filipino alot when you where using dr beams

<dekoy> hahahhaa

<Jucato> speakig of....

<mangz74> u might be mistaken for raymondx

<mangz74> hehehe

<dekoy> hahahaha

<Jucato> drbeams: "ngayon" in that context meant "and now..."

<dekoy> the end is near

<dekoy> and so I face

<dekoy> the unfaceable

<dekoy> hahahaha

*** drbeams is now known as Ahmuck

*** Ahmuck is now known as Eeyore-Jr

<mangz74> damn dude

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> are you trying to hide from alimony or child support or something

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<drbeams> lol ... no i hate logs

<Jucato> O.o

<drbeams> granted, with nick changes, they do no good

<mangz74> can't help it...

<mangz74> this channel will always have logs

<mangz74> 2logs

<mangz74> itlogs

<mangz74> pancit loglogs

<mangz74> ;)

<mangz74> balik nga ako sa ginagawa ko

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> :P

<strong_> deym... sakit na nang mata ko :(

<Jucato> bakt?

* strong_ studying.. parang studyante

<Jucato> ehehe

<Jucato> ako rin.. siguro

<Jucato> lol

<Jucato> I mean, dapat masakit rin mata ko

<strong_> hehehe..

<mangz74> saan ang page ng info about kdeadmin ulit jucato

<mangz74> pipiliin ko alin ang kailangan ko

* strong_ just diggin into fundamentals

<Jucato> teka

<dekoy> fundamentals

<dekoy> you don't need those

<Jucato> strong_: of what?

<dekoy> basics and fundamentals are for the weak

<strong_> dekoy, im weak

<dekoy> real man just do it

<Jucato> dekoy: ok... sabi mo eh... weak ako

<dekoy> bwahahahaha

<Jucato> mangz74: 3.5.5?

<strong_> fafa dek.. mas ok talaga if alam mo yung fundamentals

<strong_> :)

<mangz74> yeah

<strong_> heeheheh

<dekoy> hahahaha

<dekoy> no

* strong_ just my opinion

<Jucato> mangz74: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.5/kdeadmin/

<dekoy> hahha

<dekoy> syempre naman

<dekoy> to naman ni take nyo naman akong serious

<dekoy> hehehe

<strong_> hahaaha

<Jucato> hehe kasi mukha ka daw seryoso

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> hehehe

<dekoy> one thing

* strong_ pokes dekoy

<dekoy> if you know the basics

<dekoy> you can do anything

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> :)

<strong_> dekoy, agREEEEE

<strong_> heehehe

<Jucato> if you know BASIC, you know spaghetti :)

<dekoy> if you know BASIC, you are a good programmer

<dekoy> hhahaha

<Jucato> bwhaha

<strong_> im just digging the fundamentals of OOP

<Jucato> disagREEEEEE

<Jucato> strong_: python?

<dekoy> fundamentals of OOP goes for everything OOP

<strong_> Jucato, its non specific topic

<Jucato> ah ok

<dekoy> hehehe

<Jucato> yeah that's good

<strong_> anything goes.. as long as its OOP

<dekoy> everything is an object

<dekoy> my ass

<Jucato> iba iba nga lang ang implementation :)

<strong_> hehee..

<dekoy> c is oop

<dekoy> the best one

<Jucato> dekoy: if everything is an object... what is main() an object of?

<strong_> hehehe

<Jucato> C?!?!?

<dekoy> Jucato: yeah

* Jucato faints

<dekoy> hahaha

<strong_> everything is an object.. except for primitives (in java)

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> seseyosohin kita... imposible magka objects ang C! bwhahaha

<Jucato> strong_: sa tining ko, hindi maituturing na object ang main() sa C++... so exception to the rule sya...

<mangz74> i object

<mangz74> taena

<Jucato> lol

<Jucato> I "object"

<mangz74> seryosohan topic dito?

<mangz74> wag nyo ako pasalitain

<strong_> mas ok talaga pag naiintindihan mo yung very fundamentals nang OOP.. :)

<strong_> hahaha

<Jucato> oo... ma o-OP (out of place) talaga kami ni mangz74

<strong_> Jucato, not very familiar with c++

<Jucato> kami'y mga simpleng tao lamang...

<dekoy> hahaha

<strong_> how about python.. yung.. def __init__

<Jucato> strong_: isipin mo na lang ganito.... everything is an object di ba? what is an object? tapos how will main() be an object? if main() isn't an object, therefore, not everything is an object :)

<dekoy> jucato you object ?

<dekoy> http://ldeniau.home.cern.ch/ldeniau/html/oopc/oopc.html

<strong_> eheeheh..

<dekoy> object oriented progarmming in C

<dekoy> hehehe

<dekoy> it's called objective C

<dekoy> hahahaha

<strong_> Jucato, i dunno about c++ thing.. :(

<Jucato> dekoy: lol!

<strong_> hahaahahah

<mangz74> Jucato: ma-oop?

<mangz74> ahhaha

<Jucato> strong_: java rin naman may main() ah?

<strong_> Objective C != C

<mangz74> ayaw ko lang magsalita...

<dekoy> hahahah

<Jucato> is that an object too?

<mangz74> not my sort of topic

<mangz74> hahaha

<Jucato> dekoy: :P

<strong_> Jucato, yeah.. java has a main.. but its inside of a class

<strong_> and.. it is just an entry point of the class

<Jucato> strong_: aaah daya :P

<strong_> heheeheh

<dekoy> bakit ? ayaw nyong maniwala you can do object programming in C

<Jucato> dekoy: bwahaha! Obj-C...

<dekoy> they do it in the linux kernel

<Jucato> niliteral mong C :P

<dekoy> hehehe

<Jucato> ayos na ka to para bukas:

<Jucato> Hi! I'm Juan Carlos Torres from the Philippines. I've been using Linux and Kubuntu for a year now. My main contributions to the Kubuntu community so far has been user support in the forums and in IRC, some bug filing and triaging, and a few guides. I've also been involved with upstream KDE in the same areas. I'm currently self-studying programming (C++) and I'm interested in learning and getting involved in the more technical aspects of Kubuntu

<Jucato> development, like packaging, fixing bugs, programming, etc.

<strong_> public class jucato(){ public static void main(String args[]))

<Jucato> waaa too long pala

<Jucato> strong_: aaah walang ganyan sa C++

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> so in C++ only main() is not an object

<dekoy> i hate java

<strong_> heheeheh

<dekoy> totoo lang

<Jucato> ayan flame war na!!!!!!!!!

<dekoy> i tried really realy hard to learn it

<strong_> dekoy, everyone here i think.. hates java

* Jucato gets the barbeque

<dekoy> but my body won't accept it

<Jucato> strong_: not the girls

<mangz74> ano ba pinagkakaguluhan nyo?

<strong_> heheeh

<dekoy> my mind won't comprehend it

<mangz74> wag nyo ako pasalitain..

<dekoy> meaning it's a waste of time

<Jucato> CuriousCat like Java

<dekoy> hahahah

<Jucato> saka isa pa

<Jucato> mangz74: don't speak

<strong_> hahaha

<dekoy> don't speak i know what you thinking

* Jucato tapes mangz74 mouth...

<Jucato> lol

<strong_> mangz74, cool ka lang.. nag uusap ang mga bata.. heheeh

<dekoy> so please stop explaining, don't tell me cause it hurts

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> don't tell me cause it hurts!!!!!!!!!

<dekoy> hhahahah

<dekoy> na na na nana

<strong_> hehehe..

<strong_> anyway..

<dekoy> nabulok na programming ko wag nyo ako kausapin about programming

<dekoy> hahaha

<strong_> ang di ko lang talaga gusto sa Java, is its syntax :(( ang HAHABAAAAAAA :((

<dekoy> strong_: amen

<Jucato> dekoy: ?:

<Jucato> kung sa tining nyo mahaba na syntax ng Java, pano pa kaya GTK?!?

<mangz74> sayang ang pagka dl ko pag di ako sumabat

<mangz74> hahaha

<strong_> System.out.println("bat di nalang gawing println");

<mangz74> para naman magamit ko pinaggastusan ko sa school

<mangz74> hahaha

<strong_> heheheeh

<dekoy> writeln("bat ang haba sa java");

<Jucato> mas_mahaba_ata_ang_sa_GTK

<mangz74> dude...

<dekoy> hahaha

<strong_> buti nalang wala si mikhail dito

* dekoy slaps mangz74

<strong_> hehehee

<dekoy> hehehe

<mangz74> i have to get out of this job

<mangz74> sabi ng kasama ko..i'm making them look bad

<dekoy> cout << "Don't tell me cause it hurs \n";

<mangz74> dude :(

<strong_> heheeh

<dekoy> hhahahaha

<dekoy> bakit ?

<Jucato> sa Qt naman: KClass:KObject-><-(slot, signal, ())*satfawetgwt

<mangz74> wala naman akong gigagawa na beyond normal

<Jucato> mangz74: ano po ngyari?

<dekoy> bakit walang alam ?

<strong_> anyway.. they are just tools :) hehehe

<mangz74> wala...just so happens that eversince i got here...ano #1 in production...

<dekoy> ikaw ?

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> ha! malas lang nila

<mangz74> i take twice the numbers of calls of the next person in line

<Jucato> (tapos sabi nila malakas crab mentalitity ng mga pinoy)

<mangz74> so if the number 2 has 50...i do 100

<dekoy> Jucato: totoo yon

<strong_> anyway.. brb muna..

<mangz74> pero wala naman ako effort ginagawa...

<mangz74> normal work lang

<mangz74> taena

<dekoy> mangz74: kasi effort nila minimal

<dekoy> sayo normal

<dekoy> ganon dito

<Jucato> mangz74: sabihin mo, you're not even exerting effort

<dekoy> heheh

<Jucato> sabihin mo: I'm just a natural

<mangz74> na apektuhan ata ang annual review nya kasi sinabihan ako

<mangz74> dang

<mangz74> thats what i told them

<mangz74> in fact...im even holding work back

<mangz74> but if i do that...the boss comes on intercom and tells everyone to work

<mangz74> look..ako pa chat-chat lang dito

<mangz74> pa surf surf

<dekoy> hahahah

<mangz74> install ng software ko

<Jucato> weheh

<mangz74> pero i have been top #1 since feb...

<Jucato> kahit naman when you were working, pa chat-chat ka pa rin eh

<mangz74> hindi january kasi on training pa ako

<Jucato> wow! bilib ako

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> sa training ko...#2 lang ako

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> taena

<mangz74> galing kasi ako sa call center sa pinas

<mangz74> kaya iba ang mentality ko

<Jucato> ha kaya naman pala

<mangz74> taena

<Jucato> call center...

<mangz74> actually hindi call center

<mangz74> remember infopage?

<mangz74> kalaban ng easycall pocketbell at iba pa

<Jucato> btw, mangz74, hindi inservice and antonym ng service... disservice :P

<mangz74> taena

<mangz74> ang tagal na noon...

<mangz74> di kalang spelling nazi...

<mangz74> grammer nazi

<Jucato> bwahaha ;)

<mangz74> at syntax nazi ka pa

<Jucato> I'm no nazi!! I'm just a god

<Jucato> bwahahaha

* Jucato tinamaan ng kidlat

* Jucato tepoks...

<mangz74> kakahiya na magtrabaho dito

<mangz74> dang

<mangz74> :(

<Jucato> :(

<Jucato> oy dekoy!! :( ka rin

<mangz74> galit kaya sila sa akin?

<Jucato> inggit lang

<dekoy> :(

<Jucato> mas malakas crab mentality nila kaysa sakin..

<mangz74> hmm

<dekoy> sorry ah

<dekoy> me phone call ako

<dekoy> brb

<mangz74> pero i was on their place

<mangz74> i would do my best to beat my record

<mangz74> pero thats me..competitive ako eh

<mangz74> i mean...if i was them

<mangz74> hahay

<Jucato> they just feel threatened... while it's natural animal instinct, it's not an excuse

<mangz74> whats instinct?

<Jucato> we are (and should be) more than animals

<Jucato> ?

<Jucato> !define instinct

<butiki> I don't have a clue, Jucato.

<Jucato> bah

<Jucato> !dict instinct

<butiki> Jucato: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Instinct \In*stinct"\ ([i^]n*st[i^][ng]kt"), v. t. To impress, as an animating power, or instinct. [Obs.] --Bentley. [1913 Webster]; wn: instinct adj : (followed by `with')deeply filled or permeated; "imbued with the spirit of the Reformation"; "words instinct with love"; "it is replete with misery" [syn: {instinct(p)}, {replete(p)}] n : inborn pattern of (9 more messages)

<Jucato> bah...

<Jucato> instinct, innate, second nature, reflex re/action

<Jucato> harumm....

<mangz74> hahay

<Jucato> hahay ?

<strong_> sya.. mauna na ako..

<mangz74> i am frustrated

<strong_> :)

<strong_> work pa bukas..

<strong_> gud nyt all :)

<Jucato> mangz74: don't be... :(

<Jucato> night strong_

<strong_> ;)

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<Jucato> hi mikhail^!

* Jucato goes to bed

<mikhail^> okay Jucato

<mikhail^> goodnyt. :)

* mikhail^ just woke up. :)

<Jucato> hahah

<Jucato> nightshift?

<Jucato> :P

<Jucato> I wake up early eh. 6am..

<mikhail^> hehehe

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<mangz74> hahay

<mangz74> asa na si dekoy

<dekoy> :)

<dekoy> andito tratrabaho

<dekoy> :)

<mangz74> what does dict client mean

<mangz74> like kdict

<mangz74> is this useful at all jucato?

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> dictionary

<dekoy> heh

<mangz74> u mean dictionary as in like meaning of words?

<mangz74> eh bakit nasa kdenetwork na package?

* mikhail^ reboot... sound problems

<dekoy> hehhee

<dekoy> i dunno

<dekoy> dict is a dictionary cilent that connects to dictd

<dekoy> :)

<dekoy> maybe that's why

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> brb lang tol

<mangz74> ok

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> hanu na kayo

<dekoy> natulog na kayong lahat

<mangz74> ikaw kasi eh

<mangz74> dude...kantyaw na naman sa performance ko

<mangz74> taena

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> bakit ?

<mangz74> kasi nga ang laki na lamang ko

<mangz74> di sila makapaniwala

<dekoy> kinakantyawan ka na mas magaling ka

<mangz74> tragis

<dekoy> hahahaha

<dekoy> dude just let it slide

<dekoy> tell them, hrmm i didn't know im that good too

<dekoy> bwahahahah

<mangz74> taena

<mangz74> now i am purposely slowing down

<dekoy> hehehe

<dekoy> dang it will reflect on you though

<dekoy> just do what you normally do

<dekoy> they need to catch up

<dekoy> slow folks

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> dude

<mangz74> i am talking to a pinay right now

<mangz74> ayaw kung magpabisto na pinoy ako

<mangz74> obobs eh

<mangz74> lol

<dekoy> hehehe

<dekoy> dang

<dekoy> tanong mo number

<dekoy> bwahahah

<dekoy> ooh i almost got into trouble by doing that

<dekoy> good thing sport yung kausap ko

<dekoy> hahahahaha

<dekoy> taga abbott p akausap ko

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> minsan me topak din ako eh

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> hehe nag troutroubleshoot kami nung problem sabi ko can i have your number so I can call you

<dekoy> bigay work number sabi ko not your work number your home number

<dekoy> hahahahaha

<dekoy> tawanan sila sa background

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> dude

<mangz74> kain muna...

<dekoy> oh sya

<mangz74> tsaka reboot computer...

<dekoy> usap ulit mamaya

<mangz74> may push daw sila eh

<dekoy> heheh sige

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<dekoy> fafaf mangz

<dekoy> ay wala na pala

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> mga pangit!!!

<mangz74> hehehe

<mangz74> dekoy dekoy dekoy

<mangz74> hahay

<mangz74> asan na kayo

<mangz74> jucato!

<mangz74> jucato!

<mangz74> @jucato

<butiki> Dunno, mangz74.

<mangz74> @

<mangz74> @command

<mangz74> @find jucato

<butiki> Bugger all, I dunno, mangz74.

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<dekoy> mangz74: fafa

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> uy

<mangz74> musta

<drbeams> ping

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> dude hanu gawamo?

<mangz74> ikaw ano gawa mo

<mangz74> hehehe

<mangz74> ikaw ayaw sumagot eh

<mangz74> nag iinstall lang ng kde sa debian laptop ko

<dekoy> hehehe nag iisip

<mangz74> ano iniisip mo

<mangz74> dude masarap magiisip kung umi-ebak ka

<mangz74> kaka ebak ko lang

<mangz74> hahahahaa

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> na tatae nga ako ngayon eh

<dekoy> kaya nag iisip ako

<dekoy> heheh

<mangz74> kung eebak ka o hindi?

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> yeah

<dekoy> nalimutan ko dalin yung psp ko

<dekoy> normally pag naebak ako nag lalaro akon gpsp

<dekoy> hehehe

<dekoy> EA sports round 3

<dekoy> pacquia baby

<dekoy> mali spelling

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> manny pacquiao me O ata sa huli

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> hehehe

<dekoy> wb fafa mikhail^

<mikhail^> thanks fafa dekoy

<dekoy> :)

<mikhail^> I watched Revolution OS a while ago for the first time

<mangz74> saan ba pwede panoorin yan?

<dekoy> meron ako nyan dati eh

<dekoy> me kopya

<dekoy> heh e:)

<dekoy> sandali nga mga fafa

<dekoy> tapos na pagiisip ko

<dekoy> pupunta na talag akong banyo

<dekoy> brb

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> mikhail:meron bang dvd available nyan sa pinas?

<mikhail^> mangz74: I think so...

<mikhail^> mangz74: I remember Paolo Falcone of PLUG having one

<mikhail^> mangz74: i's a bit dated though, circa 2001/2002

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<dekoy> hrmmm kanino kaya galing yon

<dekoy> bwhahahaha

<dekoy> i almost got into trouble because of that revolution OS

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> :)

<drbeams> anybody keep logs here ?

<dekoy> logs of ?

<mikhail^> logs of what?

<drbeams> logs of the channel

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<dekoy> oh butiki has one

<dekoy> im pretty sure

<dekoy> http://dek.linuxfiesta.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=18

<dekoy> picture sa deck namin

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> puro snow

<mangz74> why drbeams

<mangz74> what do u need from the logs?

<mangz74> dude...may gallery ka na?

<mangz74> hahaha

<drbeams> i posted a link for some web based outlook clone and i forgot to book mark it

<dekoy> hehehe

<dekoy> you mean scalix.org

<dekoy> ?

<dekoy> www.scalix.com or .org

<dekoy> i forgot

<dekoy> or you can use zimbra.com

<dekoy> <jsgotangco> bwekekeke. <jsgotangco> masamang damo talaga yung dek mauleon na yun ... <jsgotangco> bwekekeke. <jsgotangco> taena logged tong channel bwahaha ...

<dekoy> ni search ko yung logs natin sa google

<dekoy> nyeta yan kagad lumabas

<dekoy> bwahahahaha

<dekoy> sa lahat naman na lalabs na logs sa google sinabi pa masamang damo ako

<dekoy> bwahahaha

<dekoy> sept 22 na logs :)

<dekoy> hehe

<drbeams> ya, scalix

<drbeams> yes, and i think it was from dekoy

<drbeams> woot woot

<mangz74> hehehe

<mangz74> marami pa dyan

<mangz74> haha

<mangz74> yang si jucato...ingat kayo dyan...

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> yang si kadjo...isa pa yan

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> si kadjot kakataka wala

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> mga dapat pag-ingatan

<mangz74> kadjot

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> taena

<mangz74> pagkita nila sa logs...

<mangz74> puro pangalan nil

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> si jucato..nag checheck ng logs yan

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> hahahaha

<dekoy> i know