<Seeker`> hi
<paradoxical21> Anyone happen to know if Trillian's got an IRC channel?
<dsas> paradoxical21: Tried the trillian website?
<paradoxical21> Yeah, I didn't see one listed.
<dsas> well probably not then :) unless there's an unofficial group of trillian users hanging around somewhere....
<paradoxical21> That's what I was asking to find out.
*** GazzaK is now known as oOo
<oOo> morning jamesbrose
<jamesbrose> Hey
*** oOo is now known as GazzaK
<Seeker`> mornin
<stdin> mornin
<popey> morning
<Seeker`> how is everyone?
<GazzaK> tired
<GazzaK> going to see my uncle today
<stdin> I'm going to record some audio today
<Seeker`> lo jono
<GazzaK> hello jono morning
<Seeker`> stdin: what sort of audio
<jono> hi chaps
<stdin> Seeker`: audio for a screencast
<stdin> hey jono
<jono> hey stdin
<stdin> if only I could get audacity to work with alsa
<popey> works here
<popey> you could try jokosher :)
<stdin> I did, but it kept freezing :P
<popey> latest cvs checkout?
<popey> yeah, I saw a video the other day with some hairly loon giving a demo of jokosher
<stdin> no, 0.2-0ubuntu3 from the repos
<stdin> and jokosher don't see my audio device for some reason
<GazzaK> hairy loon? with a dodgy beard?
<popey> yes
<popey> and odd taste in music
<GazzaK> very odd
<popey> very very odd
<popey> etc
<GazzaK> so odd in fact that we laugh
<mrben> morning all
<GazzaK> hey mrben
* Mez -> bed
<snail> does anyone know of any app in ubuntu that does grammar checking?
<snail> i'm serously thinking of buying staroffice, which does...
<GazzaK> eek
<Seeker`> what are be grammar?
<GazzaK> is like grammar how to like talk proper innit?
<GazzaK> arghhhh, I'm bored
<GazzaK> Seeker`, entertain me?
<Seeker`> GazzaK: Sorry, panic at work
* popey panics at work
* GazzaK falls asleep
<GazzaK> popey, bad hair day?
<popey> actually yes :)
<popey> not as bad as yours
<GazzaK> mine is nice
<popey> for a given definition of "nice"
<GazzaK> nice and soft and floppy, I'm perfect
<DaveMorris> morning one and all
<GazzaK> morning DaveMorris
<DaveMorris> you got a joke for me this morning?
<GazzaK> popey,
<popey> Microsoft Windows
<popey> GazzaK:
<GazzaK> oi
<GazzaK> I said it first
* Seeker` facedesks
<GazzaK> whats up Seeker`
<popey> Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiitsssss
<popey> _________
<popey> < FRIDAY! >
<popey> ---------
<popey> \ ^__^
<popey> \ (oo)\_______
<popey> (__)\ )\/\
<popey> ||----w |
<popey> || ||
<DaveMorris> cheers for that
<popey> http://www.plen.jp/ want one - check the gallery
<popey> (requires flash)
<GazzaK> woooo
<GazzaK> nice music :-(
<Seeker`> GazzaK: Problems with the site i am developing
<GazzaK> slowest reply eva
<Seeker`> GazzaK: Quicker than your reply in #ubuntu-ops
<GazzaK> hehe
<GazzaK> yep
<GazzaK> that was on purpose
<Seeker`> of course...
<GazzaK> honest
<treb0r> Anybody know how easy it is to take LPI ubuntu exams in the UK?
<popey> treb0r: email billy.cina@canonical.com
<popey> I suspect she will know
<treb0r> OK, thanks..
<treb0r> I really wan to to start running training courses for lesss technical people who wish to move away from Windows, but feel I need to get certified first..
<popey> you definately need to email Billy then :)
<popey> they are currently negotiating with training partners
<treb0r> Cool, I just did...
<Seeker`> what is LPI?
<popey> Linux Professional Institute
<popey> Examining body
<treb0r> I'm not sure how much cred these things have, but it would be nice to have a piece of paper..
<Seeker`> are there ubuntu specific ones?
<popey> yes
<popey> 199 iirc
<treb0r> http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/certification/pro
<DaveMorris> are they actually worthwhile>
<treb0r> DaveMorris: I'm not sure really, but as I say, if I'm going to start training others a piece of paper would help my personal credibility.
<treb0r> At least I think it would.
<stdin> anyone feel like helping me get alsa working in audacity ?
<constrictor> anyone ever tried solaris?
<snail> constrictor: solaris was my first OS
<popey> "slowlaris"
<stdin> popey: is alsa working with audacity for you?
<popey> i think so
<popey> audacity just works for me
<popey> but I am not at home right now with my pc, so can't test
<stdin> doesn't want to work for me, for some reason
<popey> in what way?
<popey> wooot
<stdin> it either records nothing, or comes up with an error like "Error opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate."
<popey> one of my launchpad bugs has been thrown upstream to gnome
<popey> \o/
<popey> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400966
<popey> have you checked the mic devices in volume control thing?
<popey> make sure none are muted?
<popey> or uses alsamixer?
<stdin> yep, I can even hear the mic through the headphones
<popey> what hardware is it?
<popey> the computer and sound card
<stdin> aplay -l shows http://pastebin.ca/329151
<stdin> it's an intel P4 2.8GHz 1.5GB RAM, ac97 intergrated sound
<stdin> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
<jamesbrose> YAY!
<jamesbrose> Friday!!
<Seeker`> jamesbrose: That took you a while to notice
<jamesbrose> Well , its the end of friday!
<jamesbrose> :]
<jamesbrose> well
<jamesbrose> work..
* X3N_ hasn't finished thursday yet
<X3N_> 27 hours awake wooo
<ziadoz> can anyone help with my wireless adapter on my laptop?
<ziadoz> got ndiswrapper setup, and the drivers installed
<ziadoz> says hardware is present
<X3N_> we can try ziadoz
<ziadoz> but i dont see the wifi adapter in the networking menu
<X3N_> have you found evidence of it elsewhere ?
<ziadoz> i dunno where else to look exactly
<DaveMorris> what is the wireless adapter
<ziadoz> is there a terminal command to list all network hardware?
<ziadoz> the wifi adapter is built in my laptop
<DaveMorris> lspci -v
<ziadoz> its broadcom i think
<ziadoz> intel pro wireless
<ziadoz> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?os=228&lc=en&cc=uk&lang=en&dlc=en&product=3204865
<X3N_> that should work out of the box
<ziadoz> its a broadcom dell 1390 according to that command
<X3N_> oh so not a intel one ?
<ziadoz> no
<ziadoz> i thought it was, sorry
<ziadoz> its a broadcom 1390
<DaveMorris> have you read through this guide? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092
<ziadoz> i just found it on google now :)
<ziadoz> now i know what my adapter is called :p
<ziadoz> cheers
<DaveMorris> no probs
<Seeker`> hometime
<Seeker`> bye
<ziadoz> once you have the correct drivers setup in ndiswrapper, is that it? will the hardware work every time you boot up, or do you need to have ndiswrapper start up?
<DaveMorris> I don't know I'm afraid
<ziadoz> those dirvers in that ubuntu forum post you pointed me to are the same ones ive installed
<ziadoz> the hardware doesnt show though still :\
<medders> evenin'
<daviey> Hi, is anybody here using feisty?
<stdin> I am
<daviey> Does it have noticeable new features?
<medders> The control panel mainly
<medders> that's good
<daviey> is compiz installed out of the box?
<medders> not yet
<stdin> I don't want it to be either
<medders> here's a link to some pics of the control panel: http://lunapark6.com/?p=2728
<medders> stdin: If it gave you the choice I wouldn't mind
<stdin> compiz is poo ok kde :P
<daviey> Just bought a new laptop, arriving tomorrow, trying to decide on edgy or feisty.
<stdin> s/ok/on/
<stdin> well feisty won't be released until april
<daviey> herd 2
<medders> stdin: I havn't tried it on KDE, but I like it on GNOME
<medders> add's another dimension to you work
<medders> adds*
<stdin> I use beryl
<medders> they're pretty much the same though aren't they
<medders> except for a few extra features
<stdin> beryl has more "bling"
<stdin> but I can't really use compiz, so it has to be beryl anyway
<daviey> okay, i think i will install edgy, make a separate partition for feisty to keep an eye on it - but share the /home and swap! ;)
<medders> daviey: that sounds like a plan
<daviey> winner!
<medders> \o/
<popey> hello stranger
<LoudMouthMan> Hey .. im back .. finally well again !
<LoudMouthMan> been asthmatic for far tooo long and feeling crapola because of it !
<LoudMouthMan> theres like a whole curmudgeon of stuff to catch up on! have I missed much crucial in the last 3 weeks then ?
* popey thinks
<popey> nothing of note
<LoudMouthMan> theres stuff I remember/note needs to be done but ive got to spend some time doing a catch up . too much prescription drugs leaves my mind feeling like soft cotton candy !
<LoudMouthMan> still things are not so much feeling all SOFT <grin> anymore . and I can drink , I can drink again . yah
<LoudMouthMan> so has gazzak moved yet ?
<LoudMouthMan> hmm I need a previously on Ubuntu-uk recap , is there a screen cast for that ?
<jamesbrose> Just had my first macdonalds in 2 years; disgusting..
<LoudMouthMan> yep ! which interestingly enough coincides with our local Burger King closing down in Horsham because it wasnt doing well enough. I cannot imagine in such a wonderful market town as Horsham! but what lead you to return to the Macs ?
<jamesbrose> No food in the house ..
<jamesbrose> After a hard day working, I really couldn't be arsed cooking :]
<stdin> I'd phone for a pizza
<jamesbrose> I had to go to the shop anyway...
<jamesbrose> Get my Linuxuser mag
<LoudMouthMan> ditto on the pizza .. with garlic and herb dips.
<LoudMouthMan> hmmm haggis neeps&tatties tonight ...... with very special whisky all the way from my birth place Elgin .
<popey> dominos.co.uk :)
* popey likes haggis
<LoudMouthMan> ive got a mcsween and a local farmers variety and theyre both boiling away here . house smells of steamed lamb.
<popey> so, how many people emailed Francis Cave about OOXML today then I wonder
<chaddy> dominos are advertising a new offer, collect your pizza and get a second free
<LoudMouthMan> the only thing that is sucky about ordering online with dominoes is they dont seem to factor in the meal deals.
<LoudMouthMan> popey is this re jonos post ?
* popey got a reply from Francis
<popey> yes
<popey> a mail went around UKUUG about it
<popey> and was forwarded to a few LUGs
<LoudMouthMan> hmm I guess ill do that . ive got some meetings with local mps in the next few weeks ! i'll see whats relevant then. popey ive not seen it on SLUG though but if its on jono s site ill pick it up.
<popey> too late
<popey> had to be in by the end of today
<LoudMouthMan> bugger !
<popey> we may be in luck, I suspect quite a few will have mailed him
* LoudMouthMan goes of to read more in depth..
<LoudMouthMan> hmmm crossed porpoises here . jonos post is the 5th of feb at latest. ive not seen the other lug post .
<popey> http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/lurker/message/20070126.112851.fbec7c5c.en.html that is the meat of it
<LoudMouthMan> yep its not on slugs or lugmaster that i can see .
<popey> objecttions have to be raised by today
<LoudMouthMan> aah but its mr williams I do see, I will chide him for not keeping me in the loop then .
* dsas chides mr butler
<LoudMouthMan> dsas .. why ? ive got a doctors note and everything ?
<dsas> oh, I didn't realise
* dsas chides /me
<LoudMouthMan> anyway I see education is working its way around well enough since at a recent (pro ms windows ) based IT talk given by a local networking group many of the attendees pointed out why HTML was bad for email marketing !
<dsas> heh, is this your local business group thingy?
<LoudMouthMan> the poor guy trying to pimp some windows based html email marketing tool was not getting away with the snake oil for once.
<LoudMouthMan> dsas , no .. but its associated by virtue of business networks like open source being quite nepotistical.
<LoudMouthMan> the chap in question is notouriously anti linux on the basis of having invested heavily in windows people to back up his credibility. the guest he invited though had all at one time or another been clients/associates of mine.
<LoudMouthMan> so what did frances say then popey ?
<dsas> ah cool, sucks to be the salesman I guess.
<popey> "Thank you for your email. I shall forward it to members of IST/41 and to the
<popey> Chairman of ICT/-/1, the BSI committee responsible for responding for the UK
<popey> position on the initial review of ECMA-376."
<LoudMouthMan> dsas indeed <grin>
<popey> brb, baby bed time
<dsas> Home alone....bottle of wine and music at stupid volumes....question is, do I cook, or do I order takeaway?
* LoudMouthMan awaits the haggi .
<LoudMouthMan> nice to see some new names here on channel though .
<popey> moo
<popey> dsas: I am ordering takeaway
<popey> CBA to cook
<popey> first week back at work since xmas - taking its toll
<dsas> popey: That's quite a nice holiday! What are you ordering?
<popey> not sure, I had curry last night, wifey had pizza
<dsas> I'm leaning towards a "starter box", with rice and curry sauce from the local chinese
<popey> so chinese it is! :)
<dsas> \o/
<popey> that sounds like a bloody good plan
<popey> synchro chinky!
<popey> (although I suspect 'chinky' is actually not PC these days)
<dsas> I wouldn't have thought so, no.
<LoudMouthMan> bugger that !
* dsas goes menu hunting
<popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky
<popey> "(The word "chinky" is the adjectival form of chink, but unlike chink which is generally used as an ethnic slur for Chinese people, is almost always used to refer to takeaway food, in which context it carries no derogatory overtones to most people. The United Kingdom seems to be alone in this usage however.)"
<popey> \o/
* tsmithe is having indian
* popey is having Chinky!
<popey> I *can* say it!
<LoudMouthMan> i had a indian once. she never returned my calls afterwards though.
<dsas> "beff with green peppers" hmm.
<popey> jpc
<popey> I do believe it could be a crispy duck night
* dsas wonders what nippy chicken is
<popey> chicken you need running shoes on to catch?
<dsas> chicken that is feeling the cold?
<LoudMouthMan> sounds a little fowl to me .
<tsmithe> hahaha
<LoudMouthMan> sorry , poultry humour is all I can manage.
<tsmithe> stop it with the puns!
<tsmithe> :P
<dsas> hmm, it's a speciality apparently, "nippy chicken (sweet & slightly in Peking sauce)"
<popey> you know, every time someone tells me that the "chinese food you get in a chinky isn't like *real* chinese food" or "british curry is nothing like what you get in india" I am moved to say "I really don't care. I like it. Now be gone!"
<LoudMouthMan> slighty in ? how does that work ? dothey keep it in a container next to the sauce or something ?
<popey> usually using less words
<dsas> maybe they just dip half of it in the sauce.
<popey> or dip it in really quick
<dsas> popey: It's not!, That's why it sells. I have a friend who's family own a takeaway. the food they eat at home isn't the same.
<popey> but
<popey> I
<popey> dont
<popey> care
<popey> :)
<popey> I like the food they sell me
<dsas> and me.
<popey> I am sure I would probably like "real" chinese or indian food too, I just have never been to China or India
<dsas> I just wish my pocket and stomach could let me have all that I want from this menu.
<LoudMouthMan> well are these the people who really believe in noodle mines as well then ?
<popey> hhehe
<popey> :)
<popey> spaghetti trees
<dsas> popey: Real indian food isn't as nice.
<popey> :(
<popey> that makes me sad
<dsas> or at least, real Pakistani food.
* dsas lives with a Pakistani student.
<dsas> maybe he's just a bad cook
<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/Millenium <-- my local curry house :)
<LoudMouthMan> true story : the first house i lodged in was next to a punjabi family who often cooked for us lads on a sunday . yes it was curries and samosas and those little flat pan baked breads and it was all bloody excellent.
<popey> 6 years ago!
<popey> er, 7
<popey> jeez
<dsas> I hate it when that happens.
<dsas> "I remember the other year when X", then you realise the other year was 2001 and that was five years ago.
<dsas> then you feel old :(
<dsas> Hmm, I may forgo the usual curry and rice and try the Yuk Sung Pork (minced meat + veg stir fry on lettuce)
<LoudMouthMan> nah its when you remember getting one of these ( http://www.nostalgia.condoris.net/vertibird.htm ) when you were 5 !
<dsas> whenever I eat it at all you can eats, it's my favouritest part. It just doesn't seem right for a main course though.
<LoudMouthMan> and its only because your wife bought you the remake last year ! aaaagrgh
<dsas> man, kids toys have got better since!
<LoudMouthMan> of course my dad couldnt help but hack it after one month. he replaced thebatteries with a ac adaptor and added a better motor and blades and some lights. when I look back my dad had pimped my toy
* popey orders set meal B for two to be delivered
<LoudMouthMan> so wheres the new work then popey ?
<popey> 10 mins from home :)
<popey> 3 month contract for a support company
<popey> and you know how I love support
<LoudMouthMan> desperate support or fun support ?
* dsas orders mixed appetisers and yuk sung chicken
<popey> sap support
<popey> but good shifts, next week I am on 6am to 2pm :)
<popey> so not *that* desparate support
<popey> but not *that* fun either :|
<LoudMouthMan> well thats okay then .
<popey> they have already started ganging up on me about how rubbish unix / linux is
<popey> so there is *some* fun to be had :)
<LoudMouthMan> the BNI guy who I moved onto ubuntu has joined our LUG. Hes stunned at how different OSS support is to WIN support as a community .
<LoudMouthMan> oh its that sort of support community popey ! . they Were so emotionally backed up in our position we cant move to even consider stuff. nice, not.
<popey> right time to tidy the kitchen and get ready for a chinky bonanza
* LoudMouthMan imagines a Asian Boss Hog.
<LoudMouthMan> or was that Boss Hos ?
<LoudMouthMan> hmm .
<popey> Welcome back Nik, we missed you.
<LoudMouthMan> no im not going to imdb bonanza.
* popey will fire more accurately next time.
<LoudMouthMan> popey . cheers.
<LoudMouthMan> I just wandered into the kitchen and discovered 1 remaining cheese straw ( of 5 that I bought today ) and found myself doing the relationship maths to decide if it was safe to eat it.
<chaddy> s/chinky/chinese meal, surely, istr being told the first one had racist overtones...
<LoudMouthMan> I know I have had at least 1 cheese straw so I should be entitled to 1 more but I cant remember if I had that one already ...
<chaddy> obviously not saying you're an -ist of any sort, popey, just have to be careful
<LoudMouthMan> chaddy probably but Ubuntu-chink havent complained yet.
<popey> chaddy: scroll up
<popey> i just pasted a link to wikipedia
<popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky
<chaddy> ahh, /me is down at the wrong end of the long-tail, clearly
<popey> hehe
<chaddy> Mrs Bbaws is half-indian, she's forever taking me to task for ungaurded utterances, must be taking hold
<chaddy> s/gau/gua
<dsas> LoudMouthMan: Eat it and deny all knowledge!
<dsas> (though they're much better warm)
<LoudMouthMan> dsas. i would .. but she returned and claimed it ! my relationship was saved by my innate sense of wifely artithmatics.
<popey> \o/ dinner en route
* popey is looking forward to 10Mb NTL broadband goodness
<dsas> LoudMouthMan: Snooze you lose, shouldn't have hesitated )
<popey> Bye bye ADSL Max, hello cable
* dsas welcomes popey to ntl customer service.
<popey> meh
<popey> i have been an ntl customer before
<popey> and whilst i agree, their customer service sucks, I almost never had to call them
<dsas> We've had problems every time when it came to setting the broadband up, three times now.
<popey> yeah, setting up you have to call them
<popey> I am also angling for a TV Drive from NTL
<popey> one of those new fangled HD PVRs
<dsas> well, post-setup I guess, it's been fitted and stuff, then not worked, for various reasons.
<LoudMouthMan> ntl thats dicks employer isnt it ?
<dsas> it took hours of phone calls over 2 days one year for them to tell us "yes we know about the problem, it's affecting lots of our customers, we're working on it"
<LoudMouthMan> ntl works well but it seems to block hamachi though .
<dsas> it was resolved soon after, but their frontline staff knew nothing of the issue.
* dsas grumbles
<LoudMouthMan> popey do you have your Wii yet ?
<popey> no :(
<popey> food arrived
<popey> bye!
<dsas> bah, popeys chinese is faster.
<dsas> despite mine being not even 5 minutes away.
<LoudMouthMan> yeah and it goes through faster and thats why you want another one so soon .
<LoudMouthMan> words in life that throw terror into a mans heart [193] your wife saying : "wheres the tape measure .. I want to rearrange the bedroom! "
<dsas> yay dinner time
<dsas> LoudMouthMan: my commiserations
<LoudMouthMan> right Haggi and Daily show for us
<jamesbrose> http://ubuntustudio.org/ - *druel*
<tsmithe> mmm
<tsmithe> that was good indian
* tsmithe has a wii :P
<jamesbrose> ooooo
<jamesbrose> good?
<dsas> is there such thing as "enough crispy seaweed" ?
<jamesbrose> no :]
<dsas> didn't think so.
* dsas eyes the freebie prawn crackers
<chaddy> hmm, pr0n
<jamesbrose> :S
* tsmithe detests the crispy seaweed
<tsmithe> so yes
<tsmithe> that enough is none
<tsmithe> and jamesbrose "it" is good
<dsas> tsmithe: sucks to be you.
* dsas has ran out of seaweed a long time ago
<LoudMouthMan> damnit dailyshow needs a booklist i keep forgetting what i wanted to buy ! .
<LoudMouthMan> though I should post http://www.amazon.com/Books-from-Guests-on-The-Daily-Show-with-Jon-Stewart-4/lm/ZPMCX244CPDZ before popey gets there <grin>
<LoudMouthMan> but its a bit old.
<tsmithe> dsas, no way. sucks boo to you
<LoudMouthMan> mmm crispy seaweed.
<LoudMouthMan> right well wellness aside im off to bed no point pushing it . sigh. my advice . dont grow old ...
<stdin> gerr, still can't get audacity to work

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