<siccness> Oh what a fun start to the day I've had. Nearly ran myself over, nearly electricuted myself, and nearly crashed my car.
<cafuego_> siccness: What odd timezone - where it's still monday - are you in?
<siccness> Heheh
<siccness> I must admit, nearly running myself over was kinda funny
<purserj> No, if it was monday, he would have succeeded at all the nearly;s
<siccness> no, if it was monday i'd still be asleep
*** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing
*** Hit3k_ is now known as Pengo
<Pengo> how did you almost run yourself over
<Tatey> morning fella's
<Pengo> afternoon Tatey
<Tatey> QLD time :P
<Tatey> hi Phlosten
<Pengo> morning then :p
<Tatey> afternoon2u2
<Phlosten> howdy
<Phlosten> it seems i have to go out
<Phlosten> bye again
*** Pengo is now known as Hit3k
<Tatey> I wish Openbox would remember window placement, like in Fluxbox
<adhoc> whats this bind 9 remote DoS thingy about?
*** yama` is now known as yama
<Kamping_Kaiser> god *damn* i hate it when ~/.bash_history gets set root.root
* Kamping_Kaiser has to rtfm now
<Kamping_Kaiser> instead of using the history
<yama> Kamping_Kaiser: why would its permissions change?
<purserj> sudo chown [user]:[group] ~/.bash_history
<Kamping_Kaiser> yama, i dont know, but now and then it happens, and i never remember what i migth have done to cause it
<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, its a bit late after nothings been written because of rootnes
<yama> Kamping_Kaiser: are you loading gtk apps with sudo? I think that can do it
<Kamping_Kaiser> yama, no, i dont even have x/gnome installed on the system. i might have done a random chown somewhere, but i dont remember
<yama> Kamping_Kaiser: are you using 'sudo -s' instead of 'sudo -i' ? That might cause it
<Kamping_Kaiser> yama, no, i was only using sudo $command (across a few VC's)
<yama> hmmm. Not sure then. Mysterious
<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :(
* Kamping_Kaiser thinks FAI is a lot more work then it made out :/
<Kamping_Kaiser> gah. 403's. hate them. esp. as there doesnt seem to be anything wrong with the server :(
<Kamping_Kaiser> aaah. much better
<Phlosten> howdy all
<Phlosten> howdy merlin-linux
<Kamping_Kaiser> hey Phlosten
<merlin-linux> hiya Phlosten
<merlin-linux> afternoon all
<Cyvros> BBL.
<Phlosten> woot. my other pc finally has a case
<adhoc> Phlosten: if you are in adelaide, i can give you more ;)
* adhoc has some tech to give away ...
<Phlosten> i just bought a 2nd case for $20
<Phlosten> looks a bit better than just having bare board and components running on the table :)
<siccness> Ubuntu Studio?
<Tatey> is a joke
<Phlosten> ubuntu studio existed this time last year
<siccness> paintballin' baby!!
<Phlosten> where! where!
<siccness> im headin up in april for it :)
<siccness> last time i went rocked
<Phlosten> the computer shop has all vista promo out today, quite crappy looking
<Phlosten> up to where?
<siccness> nsw
<siccness> moama / echuca
<Phlosten> who's runnin it?
<siccness> Semoz
<Tatey> put some Ubuntu stickers on it :P
<Phlosten> i'd be half tempted to come down to echuca/moama for a bit of paint balling action
<siccness> save yourself some money
<siccness> dont buy a cup
<siccness> and just wear jeans under it
<siccness> you'll get hot but atleast you won't go home with a half-snapped thing.
<Phlosten> i already have one of those from playing indoor cricket, or as it's more known, 'might lose a body part cricket'
<Phlosten> awesome, my $5 32MB graphics card running nicely
<Phlosten> "
<Phlosten> MS Vista Basic? lordy
<Phlosten> might as well have called it MS Vista Sweet FA
<siccness> Indoor cricket
<siccness> rocks
<merlin-linux> hiya siccness
<siccness> sup champ
<siccness> aussie day tomorrow mate
<siccness> you know what that means
<merlin-linux> nope
<siccness> man, lamb!!
<merlin-linux> you will be drunk all day
<merlin-linux> hehe
<siccness> yeah well that too, but lamb!
<siccness> Cricket too!
<siccness> Sweeet!
<merlin-linux> hehe
* siccness whistles
*** cafuego__ is now known as cafuego_
<siccness> Hey Davo_Dinkum
<Phlosten> evening all
<cps> hello
<siccness> Evening.
<Phlosten> anything exciting happening?
<cps> not really
<siccness> I'm searching for web-hosting, is that considered exciting?
<Phlosten> heh, just saw this CBS story on the iPhone, whats the first 'feature' they gloat about. 'hey, it syncs all your contacts', no way! that is such an inovative idea!
<cps> nobody has even used one yet
<Phlosten> i want to see one after its been in a pocket with some keys for a while
<cps> it'll probably look like what ipods end up looking like
<siccness> I think people have lost the point when it comes to technology
<siccness> A phone was designed to call people
<cps> crossed with anything that has a touch screen
<siccness> Why do we need 30,000 different applications and requirements filled within one tool.
<Phlosten> it just screams 'mass warranty replacement'
<cps> like those video cameras you see at the shops that have touch screens and they are covered in finger marks and grease
<siccness> lol
<Daemon> <siccness> I'm searching for web-hosting, is that considered exciting? <- for personal use?
<siccness> Yeah
<Phlosten> i am not sure there is need for touch screen with a mobile phone
<cps> people are all like "wow it has animations to provide feedback when you press on things on the screen"
<Daemon> most people seem to go for a dreamhost account
<cps> and really if they just had buttons like a normal phone you wouldn't need to do that
<siccness> Daemon: Yeah, let me explain something to you about big ol' sicc. Sicc doesn't pay for anything :P
<siccness> Free hosting is what I'm all about.
<Daemon> yuk
<Phlosten> the price of the phone i would much rather put towards a notebook
<Phlosten> at least a web page would be readable
<siccness> have you ever tried to browse the web using a phone? so painful
<Phlosten> i'll just stay with whatever comes free
<Phlosten> those iPhones will be free on $20 plan in no time!
<siccness> heh
<Daemon> no time being 5 years, and $50 :P
<siccness> where in the end you still pay more than what the phones worth
<Phlosten> i've still got a year with this one, so I can wait :)
<Phlosten> i went on a plan with free phone with onetel, i paid one month and then they went under. a cheap phone for $9
<siccness> http://img.clubic.com/photo/00032807.jpg <--my phone
<Phlosten> wow, an antique
<siccness> Yup.
<siccness> Dropped well over 3000 times :P
<siccness> and guess what? still no cracks.
<Phlosten> you can pick em up for a $1 at some garage sales
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL
<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: I have one of those laying around. Battery's a dud though.
<Phlosten> http://www.nokia.com.au/nokia/0,,79838,00.html
<Phlosten> thats what I am using atm
<siccness> Heh
<Davo_Dinkum> GRRRR!!!! Why do I have new email?!?
<siccness> This battery still lasts 7 days or so
<Phlosten> anyone else have Psiphon up and running?
<Davo_Dinkum> Survey: Please raise your hand if you think myspace and other similar sites are just sad.
<Phlosten> mysp..who?
<siccness> I think they're sad. I still have one though.
<Davo_Dinkum> lol
<Phlosten> i am hoping if i ignore it long enough it will just go away
<siccness> I'll be getting rid of her as soon as I have this blog stuff setup
<Phlosten> siccblog
<siccness> close
<siccness> j00blog
<Davo_Dinkum> The blog about healthy living.
<Phlosten> did ya get the free hosting?
<siccness> Not yet, still searching. I think it's best that I complete the website first
<Davo_Dinkum> All these webmail providers are sucky.
<Phlosten> squirrelmail is cool
* Davo_Dinkum searches
<Phlosten> its an app
<Davo_Dinkum> :(
<Phlosten> which I use with my hosting
* Davo_Dinkum wonders how much inbox space he needs
<Phlosten> siccness: want some free hosting under my dreamhost account?
<Davo_Dinkum> Where has yahoo mail's fricking storage meter gone?
<siccness> Phlosten: Nah, I should be alright. Thanks anyway though.
* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if therse an enlightenment channel.
<Kamping_Kaiser> how do you search for specific channels? can you use /list?
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, #edevelop at least
<elkbuntu> i saw others mentioned on the site, but that's currently down
<Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
<Kamping_Kaiser> hm. #e. i could have guessed that :\
<Kamping_Kaiser> hi Rothbuntu
<Phlosten> nice to see Skype are keeping their Linux releases with their Windows ones. Windows = 3.0.0.209, Linux = 1.2.0.53
<Phlosten> *sigh*
<Rothbuntu> surp wizzle
<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten, :( feel loved
<Rothbuntu> frakin too hot today
<Kamping_Kaiser> yup. was supposed to have got to 30 here
<Rothbuntu> was 35 according to my car today adelaide
<Kamping_Kaiser> sounds about right, always a few degrees cooler up here
<Phlosten> 33.6 was our highest today
<Phlosten> we have some 40's still yet to come
<Rothbuntu> i dont want to hear that
<Phlosten> well thats only really here
<Rothbuntu> sunlight is no fun for us red heads
<siccness> im rooted :\
<Rothbuntu> by whom?
<siccness> lol
<siccness> rooted as in tired
<Rothbuntu> oh :-*
<Rothbuntu> i think i got heat stroke today
<Rothbuntu> stupid walking everything should be drive through
<Kamping_Kaiser> lol
<Phlosten> better yet, home delivery everything!
<Tatey> fella's
<siccness> tatey
<siccness> I worked out how to do a pastebin L(
<Tatey> hi siccness
<Tatey> that's excellent :)
<siccness> yup
<Tatey> <3 Firefox2 restore session
<siccness> post it to a database table, throw an id column in there
<quail> evening all
<Tatey> hey quail
<siccness> output it, replace newline char with <br/>
<siccness> and voila
<siccness> syntax highlighting is a diff. story
<merlin-linux> hey Tatey how are things?
<Tatey> good mate
<merlin-linux> kewl
<Tatey> siccness: excellent
<merlin-linux> i had a big bowl of thia soup
<siccness> Hey Cyvros
<Cyvros> Howdy, siccness.
<Cyvros> Oddly enough, I feel quite sick at the moment.
<siccness> Heh
<siccness> Nothing some caffeine can't fix
<Cyvros> If anything, it'd make things worse.
<Cyvros> My right hand is shaking like there's no tomorrow and I feel like I'm going to throw up.
<siccness> Do you feel cold?
<Cyvros> No.
<Cyvros> I know exactly what it is, too.
<Cyvros> It's milk.
<Cyvros> I am lactose intolerant. Not your average throw-up-and-almost-die type.
<Cyvros> It 'interacts' with my in-built hyperactivity.
<siccness> Ahh
<siccness> See me and milk == disaster.
<Cyvros> Only I've had soy milk for eight years and haven't had dairy milk for at least two years.
<siccness> Just get some rest mate
<siccness> Might be the best thing for ya
<Cyvros> We had some milk we had to finish off.
<Cyvros> Heh. I have to rest.
<Tatey> Xen is pretty cool
<Cyvros> Only I need my Net fix. :D
<siccness> Heh
<siccness> I've decided to use something like wordpress for my blog
<Cyvros> siccness: Wordpress is good.
<Cyvros> Tatey: Xen?
* Cyvros BBLs to wade through his nine other e-mail accounts.
<Tatey> Cyvros: virtual machine
<Cyvros> Tatey: Oooh...
<Cyvros> I hate to say it, but MS Virtual PC is a really good VM.
<Tatey> no it's not... it actually peforms a lot slower than Xen or VMware
<Tatey> Xen is completely FOSS
<Tatey> and doesn't require X
<Cyvros> Used 2004 since it went free, then used the '07 beta until I went to Ubuntu.
<Cyvros> Well, it worked for me.
<Cyvros> And VMware's just giving me headaches.
<Cyvros> Maybe it's because I'm using Player rather than Server.
<siccness> I like VMWare
<siccness> But I only see it as a tool/utility to learn.
<Tatey> I've never really played with virtualisation before
<Tatey> I'm using it for a production server to separate services
<Cyvros> Ah.
<Cyvros> I used it mainly to see how much better DOS 7.10 was than XP.
<siccness> lol
<Cyvros> You wouldn't believe that the only thing better in XP was network support.
<Tatey> I have a single machine (dom0) which will handle routing/switching and host two guests (domU). Guest1 will handle Apache/SQL and Guest2 will handle NFS/SAMBA and serve files
<Cyvros> Now, *that's* where MS circa 1990 let me down.
<Cyvros> Tatey: Sounds good.
<Cyvros> Couldn't understand half of it, but it sounds good.
<Tatey> instead of having 3 different boxes, you only need to invest in one, decently powered server
<Cyvros> I was thinking - would I be able to rig up a small box as a kind of server?
<Tatey> certainly
<Cyvros> Just get something light and tiny and plug it into the router or hub?
<Cyvros> That's good to know.
<Cyvros> I'd just need something like lighttpd, and that's all?
<Tatey> yes
<Cyvros> Even better.
* Cyvros probably won't get 'round to this until Ubuntu 17.05 is out, anyway.
<Cyvros> What distro would you recommend?
<Cyvros> I was thinking something like DSL.
<Tatey> you need to use a distro witch a focus on security
<Cyvros> Always like DSL as a concept... interface never got me.
<Cyvros> Oh.
<Tatey> either Debian or FreeBSD IM
<Tatey> *IMO
<Cyvros> Okay.
<Cyvros> I suppose Ubuntu Server would be a decent choice (I seem to recall there being a Server edition somewhere).
<Tatey> it's alright
<siccness> With blogging software, when you post something, do the ask whether or not users can reply to the posts?
<Tatey> I don't feel it's mature enough though
<siccness> *do they ask
<Tatey> siccness: I believe so, with Wordpress anyway
<Cyvros> Tatey: Okay.
<siccness> Thanks
<Cyvros> siccness: There should be an option on the sidebar.
<Cyvros> Somewhere.
<Cyvros> Was last time I checked.
<siccness> Cyvros: Yeah nah I'm just trying to work out how many fields I need for my tables
<Cyvros> siccness: Okay.
* Cyvros hasn't touched his blog in about two months.
<Cyvros> Do you know what's really, really bad about Everton FC's member account thingo?
<Cyvros> You can't change your e-mail address.
<siccness> http://pastebin.ca/328034
<Cyvros> That means that every time I change my main address, I need a new account!
<Cyvros> It's perfectly ridiculous!
<Tatey> hah, it's creating the virtual machine
<Tatey> insane
<siccness> i wonder if sha1 is necessary over md5
<Phlosten> happy australia day! woot
<siccness> to you too
<Phlosten> goodnight all
<siccness> night
<Tatey> it's not the 26th here yet :)
<Tatey> night Phlosten
<Tatey> ohh... my virtual machine is being created ^_^
<Cyvros> Oh, right, Happy Australia Day, all!
<Hit3k> oh.. yeah
<siccness> so CNR goes multi-distro hey
<Tatey> wooooot
<Tatey> virtual machine :)
<Tatey> CNR?
<Hit3k> its a linspire thing
<siccness> Click N Run
<Hit3k> but yes
<Hit3k> multi distro it is
<Tatey> I'm using CLI
<Tatey> errr
<Tatey> nevermind
<siccness> Linspire's CNR Service to support popular Linux distributions, including Debian, Fedora, Freespire, Linspire, OpenSUSE, and Ubuntu
<Hit3k> whats the diffrence between openSUSE and SUSE?
<siccness> One has 'open' infront of it.
<Hit3k> ohhh
<Hit3k> alright then
<Tatey> Hit3k: OpenSUSE is completely FOSS and distributed by Novell "as-is". Suse Enterprise the the proprietary version which you recieve full support for. However, it costs $$
<Tatey> like Fedora and Redhat
<Hit3k> and soon ubuntu
<Kamping_Kaiser> completely what? free software or open source?
<Kamping_Kaiser> Hit3k, what do you mean?
<Davo_Dinkum> What license is it under?
<Daemon> Suse has a few other things included too, like codecs etc
<Tatey> can you guys access http://60.242.2.112 ?
<siccness> Yes
<Tatey> heh, that's being loaded froma virtual machine :)
<Daemon> yup
<merlin-linux> Tatey: yes
<Hit3k> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid/
<Tatey> Hit3k: no, Ubuntu is offering paid support FOR Ubuntu, rather than maintenaing two different distributions
<siccness> Hit3k: That's just an option though
<Daemon> Hit3k: eer, it's been like that from the start
<siccness> Which is fair enough to expect payment for support.
<Daemon> one version, optional paid support
<siccness> They can't do everything for free.
<siccness> That's where the beauty of the linux community comes in, free support :)
<Tatey> I have Debian 4.0 Etch, running Debian 4.0 Etch in a VM serving a fancy web page :D
<merlin-linux> Tatey: hehe the fancy default page
<Daemon> now run Xen in that VM :)
<Tatey> LOL Daemon
<Daemon> actually if it's just Debian under Debian, give OpenVZ a go
<siccness> Recursive VMs, crazy! :)
<Daemon> the performance is as good as the host
<Tatey> I'm contemplating installing FreeBSD in a VM
<siccness> Why the hell haven't SUN sent me the CD
<siccness> slow bastards.
<Tatey> Debian host with FreeBSD guest
<Tatey> most BSD'ers would laugh at that
<siccness> How much are domain-names these days?
<Tatey> http://www.enomalism.com/
<Tatey> siccness: $10US/yr
<Hit3k> really? I got mine for $8
<siccness> Where at?
<siccness> I can't find anything below $20
<Davo_Dinkum> Cheapskate.
<Davo_Dinkum> Take the $20 offer.
<Hit3k> http://www.godaddy.com
<Hit3k> mind you that was USD
<siccness> You're offering to pay are you, Davo_Dinkum? :)
<Davo_Dinkum> I'll pay $0.
<elkbuntu> namecheap.com with http://www.dncoupons.com/namecheap.php codes are fairly cheap
<elkbuntu> and includes free whoisguard
<siccness> hmm
<siccness> danke
<merlin-linux> Tatey: what kernel version does freebsd use?
<Tatey> merlin-linux: it depends on the version of FreeBSD you're using
<Tatey> it uses the BSD kernel, BTW
<merlin-linux> siccness: i payed 8.95USD to renew my domain
<siccness> Sweet, I fixed my gaim
<merlin-linux> siccness: and that through scottsdalehosting.com
<merlin-linux> and they accept paypal too
<merlin-linux> Tatey: i looking at the 6.2 version of freebsd
<Tatey> merlin-linux: if you've got nothing to do, I recommend you check it out
<Tatey> it's quite interesting. Just be aware, it's a completely different OS
<Tatey> it doesn't behave at all like GNU/Linux, though it's similar
<Tatey> if you played with it for a few days, you'd pick it up like I did
<merlin-linux> i'll have to setup up another pc for it to run on
<merlin-linux> hiya shenki
<shenki> hello merlin-linux
<shenki> how are you?
<merlin-linux> good thanks and you?
<Davo_Dinkum> Later
<shenki> im good. trying out a bit of telepathy, it's good stuff
<merlin-linux> w00t there a black and white movie on abc
<merlin-linux> shenki: :-)
<shenki> we're watching clerks here, that's black and white too :)
<merlin-linux> :-)
* Cyvros mumbles.
<siccness> Heh
<Hit3k> http://www.shof.msrcsites.co.uk/durex.jpg
<siccness> LOL
* Kamping_Kaiser grumbles about pam errors
<Daemon> leave Pam out of this :P
<siccness> lol
<siccness> i had a joke up my sleeve but i thought i'd leave it out :P
<siccness> that and it wasnt funny :P
* Kamping_Kaiser is debaing sleep
<Kamping_Kaiser> as i'm getting sfa done
<siccness> Damn it firefox :|
<siccness> :-]
<pschulz01> Morning..
<pschulz01> Happy Australia Day!
<frenchninja> yay
<TheMuso> Morning.
<TheMuso> Anybody doing anything special today?
<pschulz01> TheMuso: Trying to compile a Ubuntu kernel.. that's pretty special.
<TheMuso> pschulz01: Heh. Do you really have a need to do so?
<pschulz01> TheMuso: Yes.. I need to know how it works..
<TheMuso> ah ok
<TheMuso> WHich kernel?
<frenchninja> besides, a 'generic' kernel never sounds like a good thing :)
<pschulz01> TheMuso: It also helps if I can complile my own for bug tracking issues :-)
<TheMuso> Right.
<pschulz01> frenchninja: A 'generic' kernel (in the sense that the end user doesn't have to do anything) is what should be aimed for.. just my thoughts.
<frenchninja> my thoughts is that if the end user doesn't have to do anything, why are they alive... but then I'm one of 'those' people ;)
<frenchninja> here, have some legs... don't worry, we'll move them for you...
<pschulz01> TheMuso: The linux kernel guys are looking to take an interface OUT of the kernel! (according to my latest Linux Journal)
<frenchninja> gah it's too early for one of these conversations :)
<pschulz01> frenchninja: :-)
<TheMuso> pschulz01: What interface?
<pschulz01> TheMuso: Though someone would ask... (sound of pschulz01 running down the stairs..)
<TheMuso> pschulz01: I have a technically curious mind. :)
<TheMuso> And while I am no coder, I understand a lot of the concepts.
<pschulz01> TheMuso: sysctl .. used for communicating directly with the kernel.. changing parameters.
<TheMuso> Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
<TheMuso> And what do they intend to replace it with?
<pschulz01> TheMuso: It seems like nobody is using it. I would use /proc anyway to do this sort of stuff, and it looks like everyone else is as well.
<TheMuso> right
<pschulz01> TheMuso: man sysctl -> sysctl - configure kernel parameters at runtime
<TheMuso> pschulz01: Yeah I remember reading that.
<TheMuso> the sysctl man page that is.
<pschulz01> TheMuso: I suspect that the debate is all over.. but it Linux likes the idea (nobody uses it) and Andrew Morton likes the idea (eliminates some useless code from the kernel), and there is another guy Albert Cahalan who has volunteered to maintain it.
<TheMuso> right

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