| <cellofellow> Dante123: since it's two-in-one, yes | |
| <kumamoto> damn am happy my amarok is now working | |
| <cellofellow> Exaile for me. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Hello. | |
| <Dante123> okay process begun.....now how will i invoke the xubuntu desktop....when rebooting? | |
| <Dante123> Hi all.....after installing xubuntu desktop (from ubuntu machine) how do I start the xubuntu desktop? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> There should be an option at the login screen to change your "Session" one of those sessions should be XFCE, if I'm not mistaken. | |
| <Dante123> thank you.... | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Sorry I took so long | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, !language | |
| <kumamoto> what? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> !language kumamoto | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> !language | |
| <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> :) | |
| <kumamoto> what language did I use to offend someone | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, amorok comment | |
| <kumamoto> happy amarok is working is what is causing this frakas lord of his mercy | |
| <gunny01> A word starting with d and ending with mn | |
| <gunny01> A bit silly, but rules are rules | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> gunny01, i agree a silly rule, but these rooms are supposed to be family friends | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> friendly | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Dante123, did it work, are you using xfce | |
| * kumamoto dumbfounded | |
| * darrend guesses that bigfuzzyjesus is in the US and kumamoto is not | |
| * kumamoto will watch what he types with a cleaned up webster dictionary and avoids the urban dictionary | |
| * kumamoto won't do it again | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, im in the us :) | |
| <darrend> that word is absolutely not considered offensive in general where I'm from either. We find it vaguely amusing that Americans tend to get upset by it | |
| <darrend> ;) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, where are you from | |
| <darrend> UK | |
| <kumamoto> I am in the US and you be am surprised | |
| <kumamoto> I mean you bet am surprised | |
| <AmaranthineNight> aw man, I missed it...what word? | |
| * kumamoto can't repeat it is banned | |
| <darrend> don't worry, you didn't miss much at all | |
| <kumamoto> lol | |
| <somerville32> :S | |
| <darrend> though funnily enough, I could see a few people getting more upset about a nick like bigfuzzyjesus (being an atheist, I'm not one of 'em by the way) | |
| <kumamoto> I call it the pinnacle of hyprocrisy but that is where the US is going can't do nothing about it | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, i have gotten crap for it, to which i reply, i am a big harry hispanic and then i ask if they are racist (i too am atheist) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Teehee. Politics and such. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> :-D | |
| <snook353> is glib_2.4 for stardict-gtk also known as libgtk? | |
| <darrend> ah, now *there's* a word considered far more offensive than damn in the uk :) | |
| <kumamoto> anyway enough of that 'wonder why mozilla-mplayer plugins crap out' either no sound or no pics no errors but 'Stopped' | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, what word | |
| <darrend> crap | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, are you serious | |
| <AmaranthineNight> O.o? | |
| <darrend> absolutely | |
| <AmaranthineNight> That's puzzling | |
| <darrend> it still gets used a lot, but it's considered more offensive than damn (for example) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, but dman isnt offensive to them so, different places, different words | |
| * somerville32 coughs. | |
| <darrend> quite :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> argh, xmms stopped | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, does window transparency take many resources | |
| <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, I imagine it rather resource intensive if you don't have a good video card | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, yeah intel onboard doesnt qualify for a good videocard, i have a nvidia 5200 sitting around but i tryed for 30 min to use it on this computer and gave up | |
| <kumamoto> there is something wrong with those 5200 I had 2 dual vgas and they never seem to work | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i wish xmms had ipod support and a better library feature | |
| <kumamoto> that is why I never use xmms it is very archaic compared to players llke amarok or even audacious | |
| <gunny01> All you need is *a* card. I have an old GF MX440 and I can run Beyrl pretty well | |
| <kumamoto> amarok has ipod support with no issue | |
| <gunny01> And intel graphics aren't | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, amarok uses too many resources | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Yeahhhh ouch. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Amarok | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, with xmms i can chat listen to music and browse the web, amarok chokes up mah system | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Ouch. | |
| <kumamoto> actually no especially that xubuntu doesn't install all the scripts or engines | |
| <kumamoto> I never seem to have any issue with it | |
| <nyu2> 'aoss amarok'. | |
| <nyu2> Or set up alsa's software mixer. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, how much ram do you have | |
| <Powha> Hi! I am planning to do a netboot setup do I need "DHCP server program" if I have router? | |
| <kumamoto> right now I have 256MB | |
| <kumamoto> not much these days of multiapps | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, same here, what proccessor speed | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I gave up on finding a music program that I actually like under linux. :-( Nothing meets my needs right now. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, same here | |
| <Spasticteapot> Hello, folks! | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, hello | |
| <Spasticteapot> Anyone here have a reccomendation for a wifi manager! | |
| <kumamoto> amd xp 1500 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, have you ever used a thinkpad t41 | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Everything I've found so far chokes on my collection. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Typed on one a bit - never owned one. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Beautiful laptops. | |
| <kumamoto> Spasticteapot, there was something I heard call avahi but no sure | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, i have 900mhz of SUPER COMPUTING POWER | |
| <AmaranthineNight> o.o | |
| <Spasticteapot> I've got a 1ghz Pentium M. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, how big IS your collection | |
| <Spasticteapot> 30% faster, tops. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Plenty for me. | |
| <n00b> Hi, This is my first attempt at installing linux, I'm getting "cs: pcmcia_socket 1: cardbus cards are not supported." | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah i wany one :) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> 67 gigabytes or so.....approaching 14,000 songs | |
| <kumamoto> bigfuzzyjesus that still too much for amarok | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, i have 40 gigs and it chokes on my computer | |
| <Spasticteapot> What's the problem with your current laptop? | |
| <kumamoto> I have managed to run it on a 400Mhz but ofcource stripped to only what is needed | |
| <Spasticteapot> A 900mhz PIII with 384mb+ of RAM is plenty. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i have no current laptop | |
| <Spasticteapot> Oh. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> :) | |
| <Spasticteapot> A TP600 is nice if you're not afraid of a little work. | |
| <Spasticteapot> $120 will get you a working one off eBay. | |
| <Spasticteapot> $35 will get you a new battery (most cheap old laptops have bad batteries - they do eventually wear out.) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i had a thinkpad 600m running dsl but the video card broke | |
| <Spasticteapot> Video card? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Odd. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Amarok is too slow, and I don't like the interface. I like the Rhythmbox interface, but it doesn't read my tags right and sometimes crashes trying to read my collection...and it's too slow searching through it. Qud Libet is almost good enough, but my computer ends up locking up if I try to multitask too much with a collection as big as mine. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i want to dual boot | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, i have the exact same problem, only reasonable program i have found is quod libet | |
| <n00b> Any suggestions on getting my pcmcia working? I know the specs support cardbus (just barely)? | |
| <kumamoto> AmaranthineNight: true but it does it's job | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah i know, it was at least 6 years old though | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i cant remember when my dad got it (hand me down, like the rest of my hardware) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have a thinkpad 600 something or other lying around here. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> 600x I think. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, i would try #ubuntu | |
| <bigredradio> Anyone familiar with this trick using fusesmb: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300310 | |
| <bigredradio> I am having permissions issues with fusesmb | |
| <somerville32> bigredradio, Did you add yourself to the fuse group? | |
| <bigredradio> The mount point changes permission to only root | |
| <bigredradio> somerville32: Where do I do that? | |
| <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, Oh, for the mount point issue | |
| <n00b> bigfuzzyjesus: even tho i'm running xubuntu and dont have the specs to run ubuntu? | |
| <somerville32> Make sure you chown before you do it | |
| <somerville32> and then run it as you | |
| <gunny01> how do I access my usb drive? I plugged it in, it's blinking but it hasn't made desktop item like a cd or anything | |
| <bigredradio> somerville32: I do, it actually changes the permissions on the dir | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, what moint point issues | |
| <somerville32> There is a fix | |
| <somerville32> but I forget what it is | |
| <somerville32> lol | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, same operating system different windows manager, its like using xp but not using explorer as the browser, same basic concept | |
| <kumamoto> gunny01, #dmesg | tail | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> gunny01, do you have thunar | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I wish i could be more helpful, but I've had a pretty generally unproblematic run here. | |
| <n00b> bigfuzzyjesus: k, thanks for the clarification, i'll give #ubuntu a try | |
| <AmaranthineNight> So i don't know how to fix all of these problems. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, same, the only problems i have had i have caused | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, your welcome | |
| <kumamoto> gunny01, I think you will have to mount it manually | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, also check the forums :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> brb time to log out / reboot | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Earlier my system font was too big, but that's about the biggest problem I've had, and one quick google search fixed that for me. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I also had a pain in the neck of a time getting a friend's Creative Vision M working, but I don't think there's anyone here who can use my expertise in that area...XD | |
| <somerville32> hehe | |
| <AmaranthineNight> So I'm basically not very helpful, but I try :-) | |
| <gunny01> kumamoto: how? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Isn't there a mounter thing in the panel, is that helpful at all? | |
| <kumamoto> if you run dmesg | tai | |
| <gunny01> kumamoto: *tail? | |
| <kumamoto> sorry dmesg | tail it will tell if you it is a sda b d | |
| <gunny01> kumamoto: as root? | |
| <kumamoto> dmesg actuall no need for root | |
| <kumamoto> but mounting must be root | |
| <kumamoto> if you find say sda then run sudo mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/mnt/point | |
| <somerville32> Xubuntu will mount your USB discs automatically | |
| <kumamoto> it might tell u which filesystem it is say vfat or dos or ntfs where u can run #sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /path/to/mnt/point | |
| <nyu2> When is xubuntu going to commit the latest xfce? The new thunar should do that automatically. | |
| <kumamoto> true xubuntu should mount it but what if it doesn't | |
| <nyu2> Or does it only handle it when a mount point is in the fstab? | |
| <somerville32> No, it automatically mounts if you add a USB disc | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I've never had an issue getting mine to automount, but I had to manually play with the FSTAB to get my friend's FAT32 partition mounted the other day. | |
| <somerville32> And in Feisty, it'll do all sorts of other devices too like your ipod | |
| <pjgat09> hi, i need a little help with xubuntu, i am trying to get the live CD to work | |
| <pjgat09> the CD boots fine, the login screen comes up, i wait the 10 seconds and let it login | |
| <pjgat09> but then all i get is the background image, it pauses, flashes to black and returns me to the login screen | |
| <somerville32> pjgat09, How much ram do you have? | |
| <pjgat09> 512mb ram, 450mhz processor (the reason i picked xubuntu) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Wow, 450mhz. That's nuts. O.O | |
| <pjgat09> yes, its a very old computer, im attempting to turn it into a server | |
| <AmaranthineNight> That's awesome. | |
| <pjgat09> if only the live CD would work... :( | |
| <gunny01> try the alternitive install. | |
| <pjgat09> yeh, i was thinking of giving that a try | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I wish I could help you. My friend is having the same issue with his hard disk install, only it was working about 2 days ago and then suddenly kicked out on him. He tries to log in, and it flashes him back to the logins creen after a little while. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> But yeah, the alternative install is probably a good idea. | |
| <pjgat09> well then, ill spend another hour downloading that i guess | |
| <pjgat09> well thanks, ill let you know how it goes | |
| <somerville32> Computer: serenity | Distro: Ubuntu 7.04 "feisty" | Processor: 334.85Mhz | Model: Celeron (Mendocino) | Memory: 250MB Free: 69MB [▀▀▀▀ ] | Diskspace: 40.07GB Free: 7.45GB | Video: S3 Inc. Savage 4 @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 43.74MB Up: 6.68MB | |
| <somerville32> Mine is slower :P | |
| <AmaranthineNight> How do you do that? | |
| <somerville32> A script | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I meant, how do you get it to run on a computer like that? | |
| <somerville32> It runs just fine :P | |
| <AmaranthineNight> That's amazing. | |
| <pjgat09> yes, how do you get it to run on a computer like that? | |
| <pjgat09> i have a 100mhz, 128mb ram, 1.12gb HDD in my room :P | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have a computer that's 400mhz 128mb ram lying around here that I would love to run Xubuntu on, but it doesn't work for me. I must be cursed or something. | |
| <Spasticteapot> @#$@#$ wifi. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> lawl | |
| <Spasticteapot> Anyone still here? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im so excited | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I'm here. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> and i just cant hide it | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Somerville32 is here, as of a minute or so ago | |
| <pjgat09> i want to get ubuntu running on that 100mhz, but im not so sure how that would go | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> my nvidia card is working && i got the new version of xfce :) | |
| <Spasticteapot> And I think I lost my connection again. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> pjgat09, i would use dsl or puplinux for that | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i be here | |
| <pjgat09> im not pasionate about getting it installed, but if i did it would be fun | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Fluxbuntu might work if you're really jonesing for an ubuntu-type system, but it's in early alpha last I checked (AND IS NOT OFFICIAL) | |
| <Spasticteapot> Hello, again! | |
| <AmaranthineNight> haha | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Hello | |
| <pjgat09> i was downloading fluxbuntu a little earlier, but i had to crash firefox, and it lost everything that was already downloaded | |
| <Spasticteapot> Oy. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I use 3rd party download managers for that very reason. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I like XFCE just fine. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus - you had a 600m? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Are you sure it was'nt a 600x or 600e? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, pshya | |
| <pjgat09> meh, i actually like firefox's built in one | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> 600e | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have a 600X | |
| <Spasticteapot> Ah. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> sorry for the typo | |
| <Spasticteapot> The 600e works with 600x motherboards. | |
| <pjgat09> but i crashed it my self, no fault of firefox | |
| <Spasticteapot> I'd say you'll pay about $30 for one + shipping on eBay. | |
| <pjgat09> dont really remember why, probably a ram problem | |
| <Spasticteapot> The video card is built into the motherboard, you see. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah but i am looking for a faster pc also | |
| <AmaranthineNight> i wish I could run xubuntu on my little thinkpad | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah which is why it was weird that it failed (the video) | |
| <Spasticteapot> I've got a 1ghz Pentium-M. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, run fluxbuntu | |
| <Spasticteapot> It happens - I've seen weirder. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> It's got puppy right now. I'm pretty happy with it. | |
| <Spasticteapot> XFCE should run just fine on an 800mhz Pentium III. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, puppy is a good distro | |
| <AmaranthineNight> IT had the drivers for a rather weird network card built in | |
| <Spasticteapot> I ran it on a 700mhz Celeron - worked great. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Just make sure you've got 384+ mb of RAM. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Didn't feel like going to the trouble to find them for Fluxbuntu | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, my 600 has a pentium 133mhz | |
| <pjgat09> hehe, the 100mhz i has doesnt even boot CD | |
| <Spasticteapot> Huh... | |
| <kumamoto> need some good noise cancelling headphones with a mic boom any info | |
| <Spasticteapot> That's odd. | |
| <Spasticteapot> The 600e had a 400mhz Celeron stock. | |
| <kumamoto> my speakers are bothering the rest of the ppl in the house | |
| <Spasticteapot> Noise cancelling, eh? | |
| <kumamoto> yup | |
| <Spasticteapot> Sure e3C's or Etymotic Research if you want earbuds. | |
| <Spasticteapot> The E3C's are great - they just block out EVERYTHING. | |
| <Spasticteapot> They don't need batteries, and because you can't hear anything outside of the headphones, you'll have the volume lower - which helps your ears. | |
| <Spasticteapot> If you want big ol' headphones, I'd go with a pair of Sennheisers. | |
| <kumamoto> for sure I shell out some cash for SURE | |
| <Spasticteapot> :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, or grado sr60's | |
| <Spasticteapot> There was one other brand I had a pair of - big ol' studio headphones. | |
| <Spasticteapot> No, SR60's are open. Noise gets in, and noise gets out. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Closed headphones are better if you want to avoid noise. | |
| <Spasticteapot> SR60's are nice, though. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Ah, well...it does'nt matter. Sennheisers are good. | |
| <kumamoto> etymotic are pure earbud | |
| <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus, check this out: | |
| <Spasticteapot> http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?id=11445 | |
| <Spasticteapot> Er, yes. They're good stuff, though. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Throw one of those CPUs plus a 600x motherboard into your 600e, and you have a half-decent laptop for under $100. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, oh i know they are open | |
| <Spasticteapot> Very economical, and more than adequate for Xubuntu. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Kumamoto, what kind of speakers do you have? | |
| <kumamoto> one big creatives with surround sound | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, it is just a ibm 600 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> ibm thinkpad 600 | |
| <Spasticteapot> 600x motherboard should fit, then. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, but it also only has a 4 gb drive | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I like my 600x, I just found it, booting it now...hope it still has an OS installed | |
| <Spasticteapot> That's upgradable. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Laptop hard drives are not expensive these days. | |
| <Spasticteapot> You can get a used 30gb drive for $40 or so. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Actually, make that $30. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah, but i also need a linux compatable wireless card | |
| <Spasticteapot> I paid $25 for an Orinoco Gold. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I also paid $15 a while back for 3 Cisco cards that should work. | |
| <Spasticteapot> $5 each! | |
| <Spasticteapot> Still there? | |
| <kumamoto> I have 2 orinocos anyone want one | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, the tft screen is also pretty beat up | |
| <kumamoto> one gold one silver | |
| <Spasticteapot> How much? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus, what's the LCD problem? | |
| <kumamoto> pay shipping | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, its just old, it has a spot where the trackpoint is, its real blotchy dead pixels, etc | |
| <Spasticteapot> You might be better off just finding an old 600x and upgrading it. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Ah. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Generic old-laptop problems. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Yeah, you'll want a new 600x. | |
| <Spasticteapot> You can get a "barebones" laptop very cheaply. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Barebones means that it has no CPU, RAM, or hard drive tray. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Or power supply, or battery. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Move the power supply and hard drive tray from your old laptop, add a new hard drive, CPU, and RAM. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> What...does it have? | |
| <Spasticteapot> A barebones is a laptop without hard drive, CPU, memory, battery, or power adapter. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> idk im still thinking about buying a t41 because of proccessor speed, so i can dual boot xp and it has build in wireless | |
| <Spasticteapot> You can add built-in wireless to a 600x, IIRC. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Mini-PCI slot. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I know I'm a drag, but you'll save a fortune. | |
| <Spasticteapot> And the money you'll save can go towards a lightning-fast desktop. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah but i already have a pretty good desktop (without linux, just got it from a friend still need to install xubuntu) | |
| <Spasticteapot> What's in it? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Remember, laptops have non-upgradable video cards, and they're almost always slow. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> AMD something or rather clocked at 1.2ghz, 120 drive, and a nvidia 6800 | |
| <kumamoto> I wonder how much dual monitor affect the power usage on video card | |
| <Spasticteapot> Not much. | |
| <Jester45> tri sucks it down | |
| <Spasticteapot> Nvidia 6800? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Woah! | |
| <Jester45> at least for me | |
| <Spasticteapot> Ditch the motherboard and CPU; get a new mobo, cpu, and RAM. | |
| <Jester45> wha size? res? | |
| <Jester45> whats yorr | |
| <Jester45> our ra8 | |
| <Spasticteapot> $40 will get you a K8 Neo4, $30 will get you a Sempron s939 3000+. | |
| <Jester45> aaaaaa | |
| <Spasticteapot> It's a bit of a waste with a CPU that slow. | |
| <Jester45> what is your ram? | |
| <kumamoto> Does anyone go to Fry's Electronics | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah all it costs is money | |
| <Spasticteapot> Not personally. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I'd go for a cheaper laptop and upgrade that desktop. | |
| <Spasticteapot> You'll get far, far better performance from that 6800 if you have a CPU and RAM to match. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah probably | |
| <kumamoto> you can cheap laptops on craigslist | |
| <Spasticteapot> Not so easily around here.... | |
| <Jester45> RAM can make a lots of diffrent untill you hit diminishing returns | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I don't have a fry's near here. | |
| <Spasticteapot> bigfuzzyjesus: | |
| <Spasticteapot> http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Thinkpad-600X-Windows-2k-2645-E3U-Office-2000_W0QQitemZ160075677490QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | |
| <kumamoto> the only beef I have with Fry's is that they don't have old stuff anything that is a month old seem to disappear quick | |
| <Spasticteapot> Has Win2K included. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> aw crap | |
| <kumamoto> any one using dual monitor i got a question | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> something with my xfce is messed | |
| <AmaranthineNight> What's up? | |
| <nyu2> I'm using a dual-head setup. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I've got a 12" LCD. | |
| <Spasticteapot> (can't help you much, I'm afraid.) | |
| <kumamoto> do u really need to use the "Secondmonitor" Directive ? | |
| <nyu2> You're using an nvidia card. | |
| <kumamoto> reason I ask is that one of my monitors seems darker than the other even the monitor brightness set to max | |
| <Jester45> kumamoto: hehe im sorry never got to using more than one moniter in linux...but in windows i could help | |
| <kumamoto> yup nvidia | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> trying to use the desktop button in the settings manager returns: no such plugin backdrop | |
| <nyu2> kumamoto, install 'nvidia-settings'. It lets you set gamma, brightness and contrast on a per-monitor basis. | |
| <kumamoto> won't that remove nvidia-glx | |
| <dosnlinux> is there someone I could talk to about Ubuntu internals? | |
| <nyu2> kumamoto, I don't use the secondmonitor directive. I have two seperate screens. | |
| <Jester45> crimsun: if he isnt afk | |
| <dosnlinux> more about why something was done instead of how | |
| <nyu2> kumamoto, I don't think do. I have both installed, I believe. | |
| <nyu2> s/do/so/ | |
| <kumamoto> please check before I <!@##@!%#$#> this machine up | |
| <nyu2> I'm doing that now. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Anyone know how to make GNUnet work? | |
| <Spasticteapot> I downloaded it, and it won't go. | |
| <nyu2> You're right, it does uninstall it. But I think that nvidia-glx also contains it, since I have it available. | |
| <nyu2> Opena term and try it. | |
| <nyu2> s/opena/open a/ | |
| <kumamoto> nyu2 check this link http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/setting-up-nvidia-drivers/ according it it can be done | |
| <nyu2> ...? | |
| <nyu2> Just open a terminal, and type 'nvidia-', then hit tab twice. You should see 'nvidia-settings' listed if it's on your system. | |
| <kumamoto> that is what I found out | |
| <kumamoto> man | |
| <Powha> Is it possible to have LAMP on xubuntu? | |
| <Jester45> yes | |
| <nyu2> 'lamp'? You've got the linux part down already. Just install perl, python, apache, and mysql. | |
| <Powha> thnx | |
| <Powha> nyu2: perhaps ;) | |
| <nyu2> Hm. Is there a 'xubuntu/hurd' distro? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> ahh me system es flawed | |
| <Spasticteapot> ? | |
| <pjgat09> oh yeh. what does xubuntu come installed with? | |
| <pjgat09> same as ubuntu? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Not quite. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> No OpenOffice | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Is the big one that sticks out in my mind | |
| <AmaranthineNight> But it's easily installed, not a big deal | |
| <pjgat09> thats not too bad, i wasnt planning on using this as a main computer | |
| <Jester45> its 300mb of .deb files | |
| <pjgat09> it was going to become a web server | |
| <AmaranthineNight> It's usable without installing anything...but I found myself installing stuff all over the place. | |
| <Jester45> so like 700 or more installed | |
| <kumamoto> I guess my second monitor is the one that is bad | |
| <pjgat09> 60% on the Alt xubuntu download.. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Because i'm picky and have 5 webbrowsers or so isntalled, and about 17 music managers.... | |
| <Jester45> lol | |
| <pjgat09> which 5? :) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Epiphany, Galeon, Firefox, Flock, Opera | |
| <Jester45> firefox mozzila dillo? | |
| <Jester45> darn | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Tried seamonkey, but couldn't get it installed right. | |
| <Jester45> i have swiftfox firefox dillo lynx | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have swiftfox too | |
| <AmaranthineNight> and lynx | |
| <AmaranthineNight> and Elinks | |
| <Jester45> i hate flock its so slow | |
| <AmaranthineNight> but I didn't think they counted | |
| <AmaranthineNight> haha | |
| <AmaranthineNight> No dillo, because I hate it with a passion (I use it on my thinkpad though, firefox doesn't stand a chance) | |
| <Spasticteapot> What kind of CPU do you have in your thinkpad? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> How would I check that? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Because I have no idea. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> My uncle gave it to me because he didn't want it anymore...it's sitting on my lap and I'm chatting on IRC with it on another server at the same time as I'm using my Xubuntu desktop chatting on IRC here. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> :-) | |
| <dosnlinux> cat /proc/cpuinfo | |
| <AmaranthineNight> What information from that do you want? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Model name: Pentium III (Coppermine) cpu MHz: 498.297 chache size 256 KB | |
| <AmaranthineNight> WTF are "bogomips"? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Eh, nevermind...google is my friend. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> haha! | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Oh that's funny | |
| <Spasticteapot> Ah...coppermine. | |
| <Spasticteapot> That CPU I mentioned earlier - the 900mhz PII for $15 - would make a fine upgrade. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> "BogoMips" (From "bogus" and MIPS) is an unscientific measurement of CPU speed made by the Linux kernel when it boots, to calibrate an internal busy-loop. An oft-quoted definition of the term is "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing" | |
| <Spasticteapot> Also, add another 256mb of RAM. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> It does what I need it to do though, and firefox actually runs pretty well, believe it or not. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I don't really need to upgrade. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Somehow firefox starts faster than it does on my Xubuntu desktop...which is much newer, bigger, faster, etc. etc. etc. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I dont' quite get it. | |
| <Spasticteapot> It might be set to use a larger amount of RAM. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Who knows? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Well, I'm using Puppy linux on the thinkpad | |
| <kumamoto> what was that deal on big brother UK | |
| <somerville32> kumamoto, Please take offtopic chatter to #xubuntu-offtopic :) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Which is different from pretty much everything else out there, so I suppose it's got something to do with the way that whole thing works.... | |
| <kumamoto> oh crap I will go there | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i think i am going to upgrade my desktop and my laptop, because i travel sometimes and would like to have a speedy laptop to use and a dvd drive :) | |
| <Jester45> somerville32: good job | |
| <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: go for lots of ram | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> jester planning to run 512x2 | |
| <Jester45> on lappys for desktop | |
| <Jester45> what cpu | |
| *** nyu2 is now known as nyu2-away | |
| <Spasticteapot> The T41 is a good choice, then. | |
| <Jester45> or* | |
| <Jester45> yuck... get emachine :0 | |
| <Spasticteapot> emachines? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Err...why? | |
| <Jester45> high quality :) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> teehee my current computer is way overkill | |
| <AmaranthineNight> for xubuntu | |
| <somerville32> AmaranthineNight, Not possible ;] | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Haha...it's... Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz....XD. | |
| <Jester45> AmaranthineNight: why do you think xubuntu is for older machines only | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I don't | |
| <Jester45> and.. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I love it, and wouldn't use anything else | |
| <AmaranthineNight> :-D | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I'm using it right now to type this. | |
| <Jester45> i got amd 2.2 2gb ram | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Sometimes I wish I had my KDE back though. I like it better, but KDE in Kubuntu is a bit bloated, it seems. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have another OS using KDE on another computer that runs a lot better. | |
| <Jester45> somtimes i wish i had my windows 3.1 back | |
| <Jester45> afk | |
| *** Jester45 is now known as jester_afk | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Wow, Windows 3.1 | |
| <AmaranthineNight> those were the days, huh? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I can barely remember it, I was really young when I had 3.1 | |
| <AmaranthineNight> It was exciting getting to play with 95 for the first time at my Aunt's house after she got rid of her Apple. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I like apple - can't see what the beef with it is. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> *shrugs* | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have no beef with apple. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Except for the price | |
| <AmaranthineNight> They hurt you in your wallet. | |
| <Spasticteapot> Not so much anymore. | |
| <Spasticteapot> For a Core2 Duo, you won't get much of a better deal than the macbook. | |
| <Spasticteapot> And the Mac Pro is not badly priced, considering that they'll be re-vamping it with two quad-core Xeons, or so I'veheard. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I'm getting one, I can afford them, and the prices are definitely better than they used to be. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I'm waiting until the summer though | |
| <Spasticteapot> The laptops are also now made by Asus, and chipset burnout will no longer be an issue. | |
| * somerville32 coughs. | |
| <Spasticteapot> huh? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Totally unrelated, but does anyone here have any reccomendations for Linux games. | |
| <somerville32> Yes! :) | |
| <somerville32> Battle for Wesnoth | |
| <Spasticteapot> IceBobble is fun...but I crave more! | |
| <Spasticteapot> Anything a little lighter? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Uhm | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Hmm | |
| <somerville32> Battle for Wesnoth IS light | |
| <somerville32> It runs on my 333 w/128mb of ram just fine | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Globulation2 is fun....but don't ask me what it runs on | |
| <Spasticteapot> I meant less involving. | |
| <Spasticteapot> I've got plenty of CPU power. | |
| <somerville32> xjump? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I still love Gnibbles | |
| <AmaranthineNight> haha | |
| <jester_afk> xoids? | |
| <Spasticteapot> I'll download 'em. | |
| <Spasticteapot> As soon as I'm done downloading the eight gajillion libraries I needto comple gnunet. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Glob2 is an RTS, pretty interesting....more fun if you can find some other people to play with. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> But fat chance of that | |
| <AmaranthineNight> haha | |
| <somerville32> bod is AMAZING | |
| <Spasticteapot> Stupid packages are'nt downloading... | |
| <jester_afk> sounds like a problem | |
| <Spasticteapot> No, sounds like my wifi connection sucks. | |
| <Spasticteapot> :) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> That sucks | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I've never had a problem with my connection. | |
| <pjgat09> mine seems to cut out when i use our cordless phone | |
| <pjgat09> not quite sure why | |
| <AmaranthineNight> They operate at the same frequency for some reason | |
| <pjgat09> thats what i was thinking | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Phones operate around 2.4 ghz now for some strange reason. | |
| <pjgat09> i have considered looking for a 5.8 ghz phone, so i dont get booted when i use the phone | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Or am I thinking something else | |
| <AmaranthineNight> haha | |
| <AmaranthineNight> My old phone is like...900mhz | |
| <somerville32> Try pushing the channel button | |
| <somerville32> I saw this question on TechTV | |
| <pjgat09> hmm? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> You can also change the router's channel. | |
| <Spasticteapot> IT sucks. | |
| <pjgat09> hmm, is that in the router settings page? | |
| <Spasticteapot> Microwaves use the same frequency, too. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Yeah | |
| <Spasticteapot> If someone nukes a burrito downstairs, I lose my connection. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> On most routers anyway | |
| <pjgat09> i'll go check it out, while i burn alt xubuntu to a cd | |
| <AmaranthineNight> On mine I can choose between 1 and 11 I think....I operate generally on 6 | |
| <pjgat09> oh, there we go | |
| <pjgat09> you're right, its on the same frequency, or just about | |
| <pjgat09> ill change it and see if it affects it later on | |
| <pjgat09> then again, i dont really have much of a choice | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Nevermind, I'm on 11 | |
| <AmaranthineNight> *shrugs* | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I thought it was 6 | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Maybe I used to be on 6 and changed to 11.... | |
| <pjgat09> 2.412 ghz - 2.462 ghz | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I know my Wii wanted a certain channel at one point, maybe that's why I changed. | |
| <pjgat09> ill try switching it to 11 too, and see if it helps | |
| <AmaranthineNight> What are you on right now? | |
| <pjgat09> i was on 6, i switched to 11 | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I don't know why, mine doesn't cut out when I use the microwave or the phone...maybe I"m just really lucky :-) | |
| <pjgat09> is your phone 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz ? | |
| <RememberPOL> Does Xubuntu come with a cli web browser? | |
| <somerville32> You can install one if it doesn't ;] | |
| <RememberPOL> okay | |
| <RememberPOL> lynx it is | |
| <pjgat09> aww, i probably should have asked this earlier, the alt xubuntu cd isnt a live cd | |
| <AmaranthineNight> 2.4 | |
| <pjgat09> hmm, interesting | |
| <pjgat09> ill just keep the router on 11, and see if it helps | |
| <AmaranthineNight> mhm | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I like Elinks better than lynx, actually | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Really really really stupid question....does anyone know the shortcut key to switch workspaces? | |
| <AmaranthineNight> eek | |
| <AmaranthineNight> accidentally quit | |
| <AmaranthineNight> Nevermind....I made up my own. | |
| <AmaranthineNight> That was easy :-) | |
| <somerville32> hehe | |
| <somerville32> :) | |
| <AmaranthineNight> lol | |
| <AmaranthineNight> sweet | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I have a terminal that is totally awesome | |
| <AmaranthineNight> I just downloaded tilda | |
| <AmaranthineNight> It's so cool | |
| <somerville32> :) | |
| <cellofellow> :] | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> does anyone have a suggestion for a MB | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> it has to be AMD and use DDR ram | |
| <gunny01> bigfuzzyjesus_: stick with brandnames, like msi or gigabyte. | |
| <gunny01> bigfuzzyjesus_: the are more likely to support linux | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> yeah good call | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> gunny01 i plan on dual booting | |
| <thev> Hi my laptop max screen resolution is 1024x768 but I can't get it to work that high in xfce | |
| <thev> any ideas? | |
| <thev> I added it in xorg.conf but no luck | |
| <thev> I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but no luck | |
| <pjgat09> thanks for the help earlier, ill check back in a week or two after i actually atempt to install alt xubuntu | |
| <delaney> Question.. 4.4 installer says i need to satisfy dependencies for xcomposite and xdamage. which packages do i need to satisfy dependencies for xcomposite and xdamage | |
| <Jester45> HEY HELLO | |
| <Jester45> look at me | |
| <Jester45> im encoding video at 82.75 fps | |
| <Jester45> it owns | |
| <Jester45> so... | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Jester45: | |
| <Jester45> zippy | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Jester45: do you have any advice for a mobo | |
| <Jester45> sorry im just so happy | |
| <Jester45> nope sorry | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Jester45: i plan on switching out MOBO's and Processors | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> :'( | |
| <thev> bigfuzzyjesus - I like the DFI Lanparty NF4 ultra | |
| <Jester45> i would get one that openly supports over clocking | |
| <thev> that's what I have and it works well | |
| <Jester45> o and lots of pci pci-e and other such things | |
| <Jester45> never know how many hardrive you might need | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> delaney: Are you installing from source or from a package? | |
| <delaney> PuMpErNiCkLe, installing from the xfce graphic installer. | |
| <Jester45> 90fps now | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> thev i need something cheap and it has to use DDR ram, i have 3 internals and 1 externa; and need an amd socket because intel blows ass chunkles | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> s/ass/butt | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> sorry | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> delaney: Probably libxcomposite1, then. | |
| <Jester45> lol | |
| <Jester45> yumm chunkies | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> !offtopic | |
| <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! | |
| <thev> you should be able to get the NF4 board second hand | |
| <thev> it's been out for over a year | |
| <Jester45> PuMpErNiCkLe: im in offtopic | |
| <thev> takes DDR1 ram | |
| <Jester45> haha PuMpErNiCkLe you though you could catch me off guard | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, I'm suggesting you keep offtopic conversations in -offtopic. Just being there doesn't solve problems here. | |
| <delaney> PuMpErNiCkLe, that totally helped with xcomposite | |
| <delaney> now xdamage | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Oh, right. libxdamage1 | |
| <Jester45> PuMpErNiCkLe: yes but they were here | |
| <delaney> libxdamage-dev or wahtever | |
| <thev> gah. I have just 1024x768 as the resolution in xorg and it still defaults to lower. I can't even see that res in xfce display properties | |
| <thev> any ideas? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> What video card are you using? | |
| <thev> it's a ati mobile 8MB RAM | |
| <thev> laptop | |
| <Jester45> ati sucks...but i have one to | |
| <thev> well it's a laptop, it has what it has | |
| <thev> not bad for $5 | |
| <Jester45> nope | |
| <Jester45> even a cli only lappy is worth 5 | |
| <thev> now I just need to up the screen res and my xubuntu install will be complete | |
| <thev> low screen res makes me sad | |
| <Jester45> how low? | |
| <Jester45> i hate anything under 1024x768 or so | |
| <Wizaado> hello? | |
| <Jester45> hi? | |
| <Wizaado> hi | |
| <Jester45> hello | |
| <Wizaado> i was just wondering what people think are the best mp3/ogg players for linux | |
| <Jester45> yey your back | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> pshya duh | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: depends on what you want i like amorok but its qt so its kinda slow | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Wizaado: none, at least if you have a big library and a slow pc | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: you could use xfmedia i all ways liked that | |
| <Jester45> lol | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: ipod ? :) | |
| <Wizaado> no ipod | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Wizaado: i use xmms because i got so fed up with large resource players | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Jester45: thats what i do | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> be back in like 10 | |
| <Jester45> ipods are pretty cool | |
| <Wizaado> ah | |
| <Jester45> :( | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> it will be ok :) | |
| <Wizaado> lol kinda like that all in one wonder iphone | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: tell me what you want in a player and i will try to give you a player | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> nv, | |
| <Wizaado> Something simple, like foobar if you know what i mean that is | |
| <Jester45> i hate things like that all they do is take the i from ipod and people think they are good | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> nvm | |
| <Jester45> the iphone is the one good thing | |
| <Wizaado> if i could afford one id be afraid to have one... cuz i just lost my new cellphone >.< | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: you could use mplayer cli :) or mpd | |
| <Jester45> those are light | |
| <Jester45> umm | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> Jester45: "the new isuck, possibly the worst ipod accessory ever, BUT we share the same first letter to our name!" | |
| <Jester45> xmms if fine i guess | |
| <somerville32> -offtopic guys, please :) | |
| <Jester45> somerville32: come on im helping | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> somerville32: ok ok ok | |
| <Jester45> it kinda branched off | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> somerville32: we are helping | |
| <somerville32> Thats nice. | |
| <Wizaado> lol | |
| <somerville32> Please take offtopic chatter to #xubuntu-offtopic | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> somerville32: in a slightly off hand way :) | |
| <somerville32> :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> :'( | |
| <somerville32> It's ok - you'll live. | |
| <Jester45> well when i see someone typing in -offtopic i will go there | |
| <Jester45> somerville32: idk about that | |
| <somerville32> In the mean time, please refrain from discussing offtopic topics ;] | |
| <Jester45> somerville32: dont you watch the news? kid allmost died from a flame war in a -offtopic channel | |
| <Wizaado> lol | |
| <somerville32> Thats pretty crazy. Luckily I have a big fire extinguisher though. | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: why dont you try a few diffrent ones out | |
| <Jester45> Wizaado: i sugest if you are only listening to a few is mplayer becuase its very light and nice with videos | |
| <somerville32> Right. | |
| <somerville32> Anyhows, Who loves Xubuntu?! | |
| <somerville32> I do! :) | |
| <Wizaado> I DO | |
| * somerville32 cheers. | |
| <Wizaado> need to reinstall it... since... laptop went to repair | |
| <Wizaado> and i didnt want to scare sony with linux | |
| <somerville32> lol | |
| <somerville32> Doh | |
| <somerville32> You should have sent it back with Linux! | |
| <Wizaado> lol | |
| <Jester45> I DONT | |
| * somerville32 sets ban on Jester45. | |
| * Jester45 unsets ban | |
| <somerville32> Doh :( | |
| <Jester45> pwned | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> pwnt | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus_> ? | |
| <Chappie1776> Hello everyone, I need to ask a question and I am hoping someone here can help me. | |
| <cellofellow> !ask | |
| <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | |
| <Jester45> good o' cello | |
| <Jester45> Chappie1776: ask away | |
| <Chappie1776> I recently installed Kubuntu on a Compaq Armada M700 with 192 MB ram. I am trying to install the xubuntu desktop using Adept to grab the xubuntu-desktop. It has downloaded but Adept is now showing preparing and seems to be stuck at 0%. Any ideas? I have been watching it for 2 hours now. | |
| <Jester45> try again | |
| <Jester45> shut adept down re try | |
| <cellofellow> don't use adept. More prone to errors. Try just apt-get in a konsole | |
| <Chappie1776> I did that. I restarted the machine and redownloaded the package and same thing. | |
| <Jester45> or that | |
| <Jester45> Chappie1776: try cellofellow's way | |
| <Chappie1776> Is the proper command apt-get -install xubuntu-desktop | |
| <cellofellow> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | |
| <Chappie1776> Thanks cello. I will try that. | |
| <delaney> Has anyone been able to get the xfce-goodies-4.4.0-installer.run to work on ubuntu edgy | |
| <delaney> I keep crashing the installer during verve plugin compilation even though im showing all dependencies met | |
| <donpachi> evening guys | |
| <kalikiana> good evening | |
| <cryosphere> i have a bizzare problem - I have to reboot to be able to use my usb devices and connect to the internet, if you think you can/want to help please see http://pastebin.com/865502, scroll down towards the bottom | |
| <cryosphere> anyone here | |
| <broeisi> hello... Is it possible to upgrade xubuntu from one version to another without having to reinstall the new version? | |
| <TheSheep> !upgrade | |
| <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes | |
| <broeisi> thank TheSheep | |
| <TheSheep> broeisi: use the second (not recommnded for ubuntu) method | |
| <broeisi> which second? | |
| <broeisi> using apt-get you men? | |
| <broeisi> mean | |
| <TheSheep> yes | |
| <broeisi> I'm trying to move away from gentoo... but I like the way you upgrade from one version to another in gentoo... just issue emerge -uD world... if xubuntu has an option like that.. I;ll gladly will begin using it instead of gentoo | |
| <Maximilian1st> !When maxamillion | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about When maxamillion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
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| <Vai_Ro> is there away to upgrade ubuntu 6.10 to xubuntu 7.04? | |
| <Maximilian1st> Vai_Ro, But it's not out yet. | |
| <Vai_Ro> the development virsion is | |
| <Vai_Ro> i know how to upgrade to 7.04 i just don't know how to get rid of gnome and replace it with xfce | |
| <Maximilian1st> by wiping out some gnome libraries? Or do you mean to startup Xfce? | |
| <Vai_Ro> by wipping out the gnome libraries and installing the xfce ones | |
| <Maximilian1st> There is a xfce-desktop package | |
| <Maximilian1st> This should already remove the conflicting ones. | |
| <Iphigenia> Hi! I am running xubuntu 6.06 and whenever I open Thunar it opens up 2 windows. Drives me crazy! Is there a fix for this? | |
| <Maximilian1st> I you wait a few more days you will have the latest Xfce 4.4 packages. Work on them has already begun | |
| <Vai_Ro> is the backage xfdesktop4? | |
| <Maximilian1st> Iphigenia, Try upgrading to the latest version, I remember I had this also... | |
| <Maximilian1st> Nope | |
| <Maximilian1st> Vai_Ro, | |
| <Iphigenia> Maximilian1st: Latest version of Thunar or do you mean Edgy? | |
| <Maximilian1st> Vai_Ro, sorry, it's xubuntu-desktop | |
| <Vai_Ro> thank you | |
| <Maximilian1st> Iphigenia, I can't tell for sure, your best bet is to upgrade your system | |
| <Vai_Ro> Iphigenia you should run a dist-upgrade | |
| <Iphigenia> Maximilian1st: Hmmm.... is there still trouble with the upgrade? | |
| <Maximilian1st> I'm not aware of these. | |
| <Vai_Ro> 6.10 is stable | |
| <Maximilian1st> 7.04 is not. | |
| <Iphigenia> Maxiiian: Found it: http://www.xubuntu.org/get | |
| <Vai_Ro> iphigenia you can just upgrade from your terminal | |
| <Vai_Ro> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | |
| <Vai_Ro> i belive is the command | |
| <Maximilian1st> one of them yes. | |
| <Vai_Ro> brb gotta get out of gnome | |
| <Vai_Ro> ok this feels better | |
| <Maximilian1st> ... | |
| <Vai_Ro> i hate gnome | |
| <Maximilian1st> Don't | |
| <Maximilian1st> It has done nothing against you. | |
| <Vai_Ro> ok sry hate was a strong word i greatly dislike gnome | |
| <Iphigenia> Maximilian1st: OK BRB | |
| <Maximilian1st> Don't talk about hate and dislike, say "I ike Xfce" This is positive. | |
| <Maximilian1st> :-) | |
| <Vai_Ro> i've said nothing aginst xfce | |
| <Vai_Ro> or gnome other than my personal distaste for it | |
| <Maximilian1st> I never meant that. I just wanted to point you should say positive and think positive, "I like Xfce" is positive :-) | |
| <Vai_Ro> ok | |
| <Maximilian1st> I know it's your personal feeling... | |
| <Maximilian1st> So. | |
| <Maximilian1st> Did you install xubuntu desktop? | |
| <Vai_Ro> yes and removed ubuntu desktop | |
| <Maximilian1st> And it all went smoothly? | |
| <Vai_Ro> well i havent checked yet to see if gnome is gone but so far yes | |
| <Vai_Ro> actually i'm going to check that now brb | |
| <Vai_Ro> so i still have gnome even after removing the ubuntu-desktop | |
| <Iphigenia> Maximilian1st: I will never doubt you again: Thunar is fixed. Can you tell me how I can confirm I am now running edgy? | |
| <Vai_Ro> Iphigenia: go to applications accessories about ubuntu | |
| <TheSheep> cat /etc/issue | |
| <Iphigenia> Vai_Ro: Not there? | |
| <Vai_Ro> i'm here | |
| <Iphigenia> Vai_Ro: No sorry I mean that menu is not there :-) | |
| <Vai_Ro> oh lol give me a sec | |
| <Vai_Ro> theres a command you can run in your terminal though i don't know what it is | |
| <TheSheep> cat /etc/issue | |
| <TheSheep> ^--- this is the command | |
| * Maximilian1st goes for eating, bon appétit. | |
| <Vai_Ro> lol nice | |
| <Iphigenia> Mind you that tells me I am running Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS \n \ | |
| <Iphigenia> Perhaps I should reboot | |
| <TheSheep> no | |
| <TheSheep> that shoudn't be necessary | |
| <TheSheep> :\ | |
| <TheSheep> Iphigenia: you're sure that apt-get doesn't have any packages "held back"? | |
| <Iphigenia> TheSheep: Hmmmmm how do I tell? | |
| <TheSheep> 'sudo apt-get install' | |
| <TheSheep> without any package name | |
| <TheSheep> it should say: | |
| <TheSheep> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded | |
| <TheSheep> or something like that, all 0s | |
| <Vai_Ro> brb | |
| <Iphigenia> THE Sheep: all 0s | |
| <TheSheep> then it's ok | |
| <TheSheep> they might have forgotten to update the issue ;) | |
| <TheSheep> they did foget to update the welcome screen, after all | |
| <Vai_Ro> question, is there away to change the ubuntu usplash and logout splash to the xubuntu usplash and logout splash? | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: yes | |
| <Iphigenia> TheSheep: Well I guess I am smply happy that Thunar only appears once :-) | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: there is this link, /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so | |
| <Iphigenia> %^$%^& Would you believe it: just appeared with its twin | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: it points to the /usr/share/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntu.so | |
| <TheSheep> just make it point to /usr/share/usplash/usplash-theme-xubuntu.so and reinstall the kernel | |
| <Vai_Ro> ok | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: you know how to make symbolic links? | |
| <Vai_Ro> no | |
| <Vai_Ro> in fact i think this might be a bit over my head.... | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: ok, first do: sudo rm /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: that removes the old link | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: then create a new one: | |
| <Vai_Ro> how do i remove the old link? | |
| <TheSheep> Vai_Ro: sudo ln -s /usr/share/usplash/usplash-theme-xubuntu.so /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so | |
| <Vai_Ro> ok | |
| <TheSheep> rm removes the old one, ln -s creates the new one | |
| <TheSheep> then just reinstall the kernel | |
| <ormiret> Vai_Ro, TheSheep: using update alternatives is easier as it lists what your options are, does the rm and ln in one step and removes the possibility of breakage from typos | |
| <TheSheep> ormiret: sure, if you know how to use it ;) | |
| <TheSheep> ormiret: take over, I'll learn something too | |
| <Vai_Ro> yep | |
| <ormiret> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so | |
| <ormiret> It will then list the options and you pick one | |
| <TheSheep> is it normal that the trash applet always show full trash, even when it was just emptied? | |
| <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, Nope | |
| <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, Could it be that your trash has files deleted by root and you try to empty it with the user? | |
| <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: I just removed the .Trash and .local/share/Trash directories | |
| <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: the trash is still full | |
| <Maximilian1st> The only post I can find is one dating 30.12 but is not exactly referring to your problem. | |
| <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: I'm on feisty, btw | |
| <Maximilian1st> Me too. | |
| <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: does your trash work ok? | |
| <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, Yes. | |
| <Maximilian1st> Do you have Xfce 4.4? | |
| <TheSheep> no, it's not packaged yet | |
| <Maximilian1st> Ok. | |
| <Maximilian1st> They made the dev tools package already and some goodies. | |
| <Maximilian1st> I just used Xfce's installers and it works. | |
| <Maximilian1st> I remember having the same issue, but it then disappeared a moment later or after a reboot... | |
| <Maximilian1st> The other thing is that I'm not an example as I use to compile from svn to upgrade the translations state. | |
| <Maximilian1st> Also the exo python bindings have been upgraded in xubuntu. | |
| <TheSheep> well, I'll just wait for 4.4. then :D | |
| <Maximilian1st> It's worth the wait. Won't take long hopefully. | |
| <gpocentek> be patient, be patient ;) | |
| <TheSheep> yes doctor | |
| <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, Does this page work and get updated? And it's rss feed? | |
| <Maximilian1st> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/newpkg_main | |
| <Maximilian1st> Because I can see new packages arriving in that are not mentioned on this page... | |
| <gpocentek> Maximilian1st: no idea | |
| <Maximilian1st> thx anyway. | |
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| <kennell> Hello all =) | |
| <Maximilian1st> Hi | |
| <Maximilian1st> one =) | |
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| <janimo> gpocentek: hi | |
| <gpocentek> hello Jani | |
| <janimo> I'll look at the icon conflict issue you mention | |
| <janimo> are there more icons? IIRC there was one | |
| <gpocentek> several icons have been moved apparently | |
| <janimo> duplicate in panel and utils I think | |
| <janimo> hmm, I wonder how they handle it as xfce installer should need to update from betas and RCs | |
| <gpocentek> do their installer care about in which package a file is installed? | |
| <janimo> what if you make it just replaces and not conflicts? | |
| <gpocentek> I can try | |
| <janimo> I think it's ok if panel replaces files in libgui | |
| <janimo> but even after many read I am still not sure when replace suffuces and when conflicts is needed as well | |
| <gpocentek> same for me | |
| <gpocentek> I don't really understand | |
| <janimo> but lack of conflicts at least should not confuse dpkg | |
| <gpocentek> let's try :) | |
| <janimo> bug 22335 contains the best description I have read but I still cannot remember it for too long accurately ;) | |
| <Ubugtu> Malone bug 22335 in ubuntu-meta "gnome-screensaver conflicts with ubuntu-desktop" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22335 | |
| <gpocentek> ^^ | |
| <gpocentek> I should bookmark this one | |
| <janimo> I did a few times but my bookmark list is messy and could not find it later , so I think I'll remember the bug number. | |
| <gpocentek> ah, if I understand correctly, Replaces only should work | |
| <janimo> indeed | |
| <frankabel> can anybody point me to an channel about Midnight Commander? | |
| <gpocentek> (pbuilding) | |
| <janimo> frankabel: I don;t think there is one. mc is mostly unmaintained AFAIK | |
| <frankabel> ops.. | |
| <janimo> but any channel with #gnome in its name is closer that xubuntu | |
| <frankabel> what is his home page? | |
| <janimo> frankabel: google, I don;t know :) | |
| <frankabel> sorry :-D for that stupid question | |
| <gpocentek> grr, it didn't work | |
| <janimo> same error? | |
| <gpocentek> yes | |
| <janimo> so icons moved from panel to libgui | |
| <janimo> new libgui replaces new panel | |
| <janimo> and new panel requires new libgui? | |
| <gpocentek> yes | |
| <gpocentek> if the panel is upgraded first, there's no problem | |
| <gpocentek> but if both libgui & panel are upgraded at the same time, it fails | |
| <janimo> libgui does not dep on new panel right? | |
| <gpocentek> no | |
| <janimo> what is the exact error? | |
| <janimo> and what stage? when unpacking or installing whic of the two? | |
| <gpocentek> when unpacking libgui | |
| <janimo> and at that point panel was unpacked already? | |
| <frankabel> janimo: what file manager (text mode) do you recommend me? | |
| <janimo> mc | |
| <janimo> frankabel: ^ | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: the new panel is not unpacked at this stage | |
| <janimo> ah so you get an error even if you just want to upgrade libgui without the panel? | |
| <frankabel> janimo: but do you say that is "mostly unmaintained"? | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: yes | |
| <janimo> frankabel: it is not maingtained AFAIK, and I do not know much about the subject. | |
| <K3rl0u4rn> hey people, I have ubuntu installed at home and livecd of xubuntu... I would like someone to give me an objective advice on the differences between xubuntu and ubuntu, and why to chose one better than the other one. | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: hmm. | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: so new libgui Replaces panel and dpkg errors because it would overwrite files in the existing panel package? | |
| <gpocentek> yes | |
| <gpocentek> I have Replaces xfce4-panel << 4.4.0 | |
| <gpocentek> should I try without versionning? | |
| <gpocentek> I guess the result will be the same | |
| <janimo> the panel which it would replace is << 4.4.0 right? so the version looks good | |
| <grazie> K3rl0u4rn: put simply, xubuntu use xfce instead of gnome | |
| <gpocentek> great, already a bug on thunar-doc, which is not yet in the repos :) | |
| <janimo> :) | |
| <kennell> Hi all, when Packages are beeind Downloaded - who pays the Servers and Traffic :) ? | |
| <janimo> did you split out a -doc package? | |
| <frankabel> janimo: Thanks | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: yep, all the user doc is in the source tarball | |
| <janimo> frankabel: np | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: it used to be installed with the thunar package at least from time to time module packaging errors no? | |
| <janimo> indeed, current thunar has the html dir | |
| <gpocentek> yes, but the tarball when from 2MO to 7Mo | |
| <K3rl0u4rn> grazie: ok, that is written on the web site ;) so what's the difference ? is it just a matter of taste ? performances ? capabilities ? restrictions ? compatibility ? philosophy ? history ? | |
| <gpocentek> s/when/went | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: makes sense to split then :) | |
| <gpocentek> :) | |
| <K3rl0u4rn> what makes fundamental difference between xubuntu and ubuntu, understand xfce/gnome ? | |
| <janimo> even if it means more Replaces :( | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: *g* I forgot about this | |
| <Maximilian1st> K3rl0u4rn, Xfce is lightweight, gnome is heavy weight. | |
| <gpocentek> but the upgrade when smoothly for thunar, so I guess that it's not needed | |
| <gpocentek> (thunar & thunar-doc) | |
| <gnomefreak> Maximilian1st: althought xfce is not much less than gnome anymore | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: ok. if the files are named siliarly it may still eed to be a replace in case of corener cases in edgy-feisty upgrades... | |
| <janimo> not sure thiugh | |
| <janimo> though | |
| <janimo> maybe if the new docs go to doc/thunar instead of doc/Thunar or some similar change that happened upstream the upgrade is smooth | |
| <gpocentek> it's a mess... | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: the libgui thing or thunar-doc? | |
| <gpocentek> libgui | |
| <gpocentek> thunar-doc should be ok | |
| <janimo> what error message does it print? | |
| <janimo> does the libgui dep on newest lilbutil and mcs? | |
| <janimo> otherwise this can be reproduced on a current feisty by trying to install the new libgui .deb | |
| <janimo> I guess | |
| <K3rl0u4rn> gnomefreak & Maximilian1st: light, do you mean it takes lower disk space ? | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: forget about it, I will go back to school | |
| <gpocentek> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxfcegui4-4_4.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/xfce-filemanager.svg', which is also in package xfce4-mcs-plugins | |
| <gnomefreak> K3rl0u4rn: less disk space less ram | |
| <K3rl0u4rn> does xfce suffer of not being capable to be launched twice (in case of using vnc) like gnome ? | |
| <gpocentek> there's an other conflict with mcs | |
| <janimo> sorry whoever wrote me a line 20 sec ago and not gpocentek could you repeat it? thanks | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: oh so it does not have a prob with the panel actually? | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: just saw the Kamion filed a bug on the thunar-doc bc of the conflict I assume | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: both panel & mcs | |
| <janimo> and does it have a Replaces on both? | |
| <janimo> and still errors? | |
| <gpocentek> I've just added a Replaces field for mcs | |
| <gpocentek> I need to test, but I'm sure that it'll be OK this time | |
| <janimo> ok :) | |
| <janimo> I don't like replaces/conflicts headers | |
| <janimo> they are needed but make everything more complicated | |
| <gpocentek> yes, but without this, the upgrade fails... | |
| <janimo> I know, thus they are needed :) | |
| <gpocentek> anyway, the next time I'll carefully read the error messages ^^ | |
| <janimo> oh, Kamion actually suggests putting the thunar docs in thunar so you can avoid the replaces there | |
| <janimo> which is good | |
| <grazie> K3rl0u4rn: It's mostly taste I suppose. I use to like gnome, but it got very fat. | |
| <grazie> K3rl0u4rn: the xubuntu devs have made xbuntu look v.similar to gnome. | |
| <grazie> K3rl0u4rn: but xfce is much lighter so has many benefits | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: I am now looking at gnome-power-manager, to make it not dep on gnome | |
| <janimo> we could then put it on the CD even if not started y default | |
| <gpocentek> great :) | |
| <gpocentek> janimo: does it run as a daemon? | |
| <gpocentek> I've never looked at this | |
| <janimo> same for update-notifier but maybe that should be autostarted. We'll need to think about it | |
| <janimo> it's useful but at least 2-3 megs extra | |
| <janimo> g-p-m? or -u-n? | |
| <janimo> not quite daemons, both have a tray icon at least | |
| <K3rl0u4rn> grazie: ok, thank you | |
| <gpocentek> ok | |
| <Timerever> hi I'd like to know when will the XFCE 4.4 be available as a ubuntu package to install. Yes I know i can download the binaries from XFCE homepage but I prefer the packages and I can wait (but I'm curious anyway :-D) | |
| <gpocentek> Timerever: it's worked on, but will only be available in feisty | |
| <Timerever> where? (new to ubuntu) | |
| <gpocentek> in the development release | |
| <gpocentek> not in the stable ones | |
| <Timerever> so that's not the normal package archive isn't it? | |
| <gpocentek> it's the normal archive, but it's not a good idea to use this part of the archive until it's set as 'stable' | |
| <Timerever> gpocentek: ok, any ideia when it will be deemed as stable? | |
| <gpocentek> end of April | |
| <Timerever> so I don't have to check that package.ubuntu.com page every 2 days | |
| <Timerever> O_O | |
| <Timerever> ain't that when the new xbuntu version will come out? | |
| <gpocentek> new releases are developped during 6 months | |
| <chiron`> hey i was wondering if i could get some help? | |
| <TheSheep> !ask | chiron` | |
| <ubotu> chiron`: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | |
| <Timerever> gpocentek: right.... can't I just install the packages XFCE packages on the Edgy release? I'm kinda sorry I sound confuse, I used to be a Mandrake user back in the 10.x days and back then we could do things like install a new version of say Gnome without waiting for a new full release... of course results weren't always the best :-D | |
| <chiron`> i just installed xubuntu, and i am expericening problems with the keyboard, as soon as the gdm loads up the keyboard functions intermittently, with the lights not on constantly and the text box doesn't seem to be responding to any keyboard input | |
| <chiron`> is this a problem with the kernel? or just my keyboard | |
| <gpocentek> Timerever: hehe, you can use the Xfce installers I guess, but it might mess up your system (I've not tried the Xfce installers) | |
| <TheSheep> chiron`: do you mean the lights blink in regular way, or do they just blink randomly? | |
| <chiron`> they stay on for maybe a minute and then are off a minute | |
| <Timerever> gpocentek: well I don't like installers that much and with packages I know the right files will be removed and then replaced. The usual problem with Mandrake used to be: | |
| <Timerever> ME: I wanna install Gnome | |
| <Timerever> DrakRPM: OK, just install about 99999 extra packages including a new X and kernel | |
| <Timerever> ME: :-S | |
| <gpocentek> Timerever: that's why we freeze our stable releases | |
| <gpocentek> updating a stable release has no sens IMO | |
| <gpocentek> except for bug fixes of course | |
| <Timerever> yeah, but I'd like to try the finished version of XFCE, can I use that development package archive? And when? | |
| <janimo> Timerever: you can use feisty even now, install Herd 2 which was released last week | |
| <janimo> Timerever: but you'll probably experience less stability just like with mandriva devel that you used before | |
| <janimo> so either wait till April and until then use Edgy and xfce 4.4RC or use the final release but you'll have to upgrade to feisty from edgy | |
| <janimo> Timerever: unless you plan on being an active tester and bug reporter you should stay with edgy | |
| <gpocentek> *why* this upgrade still doesn't work!!! | |
| * gpocentek takes a break | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: you'll get around to it eventually ;) | |
| <Timerever> oh... I think I get it: Feisty is the next version codename that was it's won packege archive | |
| <Timerever> and here is the XFCE: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/ | |
| <janimo> Timerever: right. | |
| <Timerever> but it's still the old version | |
| <Timerever> what I was asking is: | |
| <janimo> 4.4 is not yet there but will be in a few days | |
| <janimo> Timerever: gpocentek is doing all the work and there are many packages to upgrade and test | |
| <Timerever> will the Edgy package archive here -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/ | |
| <Timerever> ever contain the XFCE 4.4 and subsequent bugfix releases | |
| <janimo> Timerever: no edgy will not have 4.4 | |
| <janimo> Timerever: that's what I meant by your using either edgy and xfce 4.4Rc or upgrade ot feisty if you want 4.4 final | |
| <janimo> Timerever: have you been to the xubuntu.org site? | |
| <Timerever> 'k but do I need to update the whole system just to get the XFCE 4.4 or can I just get the XFCE 4.4 packages, won't they ask for 99999 adicional packages | |
| <kalikiana> Is there any tool to notify me of package updates in the tray? | |
| <janimo> upgrading only part of the system does not really work, I mean it is not straightforward | |
| <janimo> kalikiana: update-notifier but it is not installed by default in xubuntu, you can get it from the archyives | |
| <Timerever> but can be done, or will it create a RPM like dependency hell? | |
| <kalikiana> janimo: I know about that, but it requires gnome. | |
| <janimo> Timerever: it will not create RPM like dep hell but something similar | |
| <janimo> kalikiana: working on getting that gnome-less for feisty, not there yet | |
| <kalikiana> janimo: Is there a website? | |
| <Timerever> janimo: :-( Meh, whatever. XFCE can't really have that many dependencies anyway.......... 8-) | |
| <Timerever> *cough*X.org*cough* O_o | |
| <Timerever> ok, anyway thanks for the help, I'll be checking the feisty archive, when it gets the XFCE final I'll just deal with those nasty packages, it can't be worse than RedHat/Mandrake so I'll handle it just fine | |
| <Timerever> i'll be going now, cyas! | |
| <janimo> kalikiana: no website, it's the same application being modified to not require gnome | |
| <gpocentek> thunar 0.8 is out of NEW, great :) | |
| * TheSheep downloads | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: :) | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: why was it in new? because of thunar-doc? | |
| <janimo> or volman? | |
| <gpocentek> thunar-doc | |
| <gpocentek> there's a copyright issue with volman, Tollef rejected the package | |
| <janimo> ok | |
| <gpocentek> I sent a mail on thunar-dev, but Benny didn't reply | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: yes, saw the thread on xfce-dev | |
| <gpocentek> I'm waiting for him on #thunar :) | |
| <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, I think he did not answer because the two others gave enough explanations... I could be wrong | |
| <gpocentek> Maximilian1st: I guess you're right, be he didn't update the LGPL license in his new tarball | |
| <janimo> yes, the whole thread was a bit inconclusive | |
| <Maximilian1st> write back. | |
| <Pekke> Hi! I have Xubuntu, but in the Grub menu, there used to be two lines(+2 safe modes) to choose, but now there is like 6 different ones. Why is that and which one should i choose? | |
| <Maximilian1st> I meant write back that the license did not change in the tarball.. If it's for purpose. | |
| <Maximilian1st> Pekke, Isn't there one by default? | |
| <gpocentek> YAY | |
| <gpocentek> sucessfull upgrade :) | |
| <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, What did you use? | |
| <gpocentek> well, I don't know | |
| <gpocentek> ^^ | |
| <Pekke> There is one by default, but is it the best one? | |
| <gpocentek> The previous test should have succed but for some reason it didn't | |
| <Pekke> i can paste my grub boot menu to pastebin, if someone can point me the address? | |
| <Maximilian1st> Pekke, Did you try it? | |
| <Maximilian1st> Did it crash? | |
| <BlueEagle> !pastebin | |
| <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | |
| <Maximilian1st> Pekke, What versions are offered? | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: great! :) | |
| <Pekke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2629/ | |
| <Pekke> there's my grub menu | |
| <kalikiana> Any way to check for updates as user on the terminal? | |
| <TheSheep> kalikiana: apt-get update | |
| <kalikiana> TheSheep: I said "as user" | |
| <Maximilian1st> Pekke, try the 15-27 is the default written at the beginning of the file default0 | |
| <Pekke> Maximilian1st:ok... are those like different versions? i've noteced that after they've appeared, the booting is waaaay slower, and wlan doesn't work so well... | |
| <noalternative> Having trouble using wine. | |
| <noalternative> nothing seems to work right. | |
| <Maximilian1st> Pekke, Could be, then you should choose the older ones that worked better for you?! | |
| <Pekke> ok | |
| <noalternative> I don't even know if it installed correctly and winecfg does nothing. I guess it is supposed to produce a gui setup right? | |
| <Pekke> reboot | |
| <noalternative> does anyone know where I can go to get help with wine? | |
| <noalternative> I am trying to use it for games. | |
| <gpocentek> ah great xkb plugin in edgy-proposed :) | |
| <janimo> noalternative: better chances on the #ubuntu channel or on the forums or wine mailing list | |
| <gpocentek> there's a new xfce4-xkb-plugin in edgy-proposed, which restores settings when launched | |
| <gpocentek> tests and feedback are welcome | |
| <gpocentek> (maybe it's not yet in the archive, it needs building I think) | |
| <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, I thought it was still under heavy development?! | |
| <gpocentek> Maximilian1st: the xkb plugin? no | |
| <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, I'll give it a try. | |
| <gpocentek> thanks | |
| <janimo> gpocentek: congrats on the 4.4.0 packages flowing in :) | |
| <janimo> great work! | |
| <Maximilian1st> janimo, Where do You see this? | |
| <frankabel> I will ask again... because I need that... what app can I use to open ppt files? | |
| <janimo> Maximilian1st: feisty-changes mailing list | |
| <Maximilian1st> janimo, thx | |
| <janimo> frankabel: openoffice impress or pptview from multiverse (requires wine) | |
| <Maximilian1st> pptview is that from microsoft? | |
| <janimo> the latter only views them though | |
| <janimo> Maximilian1st: yes I think so | |
| <janimo> it's a windows exe that's why is it multiverse onlu | |
| <janimo> only | |
| <frankabel> so any light app that do that? | |
| <frankabel> I mean openoffice is so fat | |
| <janimo> frankabel: not that I know of. | |
| <frankabel> ok thanks | |
| <TheSheep> frankabel: ppt is a fat format :) | |
| <frankabel> lol | |
| <TheSheep> frankabel: it requires a fat app | |
| <Pekke_> what does the 686 or 386 mean in grub menu? | |
| *** sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt | |
| <grazie> Pekke_: It's the processor type. What do you have? | |
| <Schlumpf-> hi i need to be able to see arabian letters on email i use tunerbird mail client | |
| <Schlumpf-> thunderbird | |
| <Schlumpf-> whats the name of the char set? | |
| <TheSheep> utf-8 | |
| <TheSheep> Schlumpf-: it should work, just install the fonts (otoh I think they are installed by default0 | |
| <Schlumpf-> so apt-install utf-8 ? | |
| <Schlumpf-> cant find paket.... | |
| <TheSheep> Schlumpf-: no, apt-get install ttf-.*-arabic | |
| <TheSheep> I think | |
| <TheSheep> they might be called differently | |
| <TheSheep> alternatively just install the language packs | |
| * Maximilian1st I have to go, see you later maybe. | |
| <Schlumpf-> thx | |
| <Schlumpf-> have a nice day everyone | |
| <tanari> hello | |
| <tanari> how to change keyboard layout in xfce? | |
| <tanari> keyboard switcher shows only one language, not 2 | |
| <tanari> help please | |
| <totalwormage> there should be a configurator menu somewhere in your panel thingy | |
| <totalwormage> (not in xfce right now, sorry) | |
| <totalwormage> with a keyboard button and more settings than two languages :] | |
| <g333k_work> TheSheep, Hey I'm sitll having the kernel panic after apt-get dist-upgrading xubuntu but not with ubuntu | |
| <TheSheep> g333k_work: they both use the same kernel | |
| <TheSheep> g333k_work: you can upgrade the ubuntu and install xubuntu-desktop | |
| <g333k_work> TheSheep, yes I know... but I wioul be good to know why is this problem happening | |
| <TheSheep> g333k_work: well, the batteries in my crystal ball just died | |
| <hyper_ch> yiepiiee :) | |
| *** nyu2-away is now known as nyu2 | |
| <grazie> !Jester45 | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Jester45 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
| <kalikiana> !seen Jester45 | |
| <ubotu> I last saw Jester45 (n=Jester45@72-161-140-175.dyn.centurytel.net) 12h 23m 22s ago, quiting: Client Quit | |
| <grazie> kalikiana: thanks. brain is a bit mushy | |
| <kalikiana> :) | |
| <krenjon> Hi there | |
| <blizz> isnt there an adobe acrobat reader / ff plugin for that in some repository? | |
| <grazie> blizz: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_PDF_Reader_.28Adobe_Reader.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox | |
| <grazie> blizz: you want just mozilla-acroread | |
| <Juz_moi> how do I get my keyboard to use the right hand alt key ... like it does now with the left had alt key? trying to get the alt <-- to go back a page in firefox to use the right hand alt key? | |
| <blizz> grazie, thanks | |
| <grazie> blizz: np | |
| <blizz> main restricted multiverse universe | |
| <blizz> i already have those, but acroread isnt inside there :-/ | |
| <blizz> or do i need free and non-free too | |
| <blizz> ? | |
| <tonyyarusso> !info acroread | |
| <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.8-0.0.ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 22368 kB, installed size 54692 kB (Only available for i386) | |
| <blizz> ahh, its only in edgy multiverse at the moment.. | |
| <somerville32> blizz: Do you have a 64bit system? | |
| <blizz> crap. did ubuntu notice that and install everything 64bit? | |
| <blizz> i have /usr/lib and /usr/lib32, but i dont know whether its actually a 64bit install | |
| <blizz> but i downloaded nothing special, just the ff herd 2 iso | |
| <somerville32> Oh! | |
| <somerville32> Acroread isn't in Feisty | |
| <blizz> seems like it is not in there yet | |
| <somerville32> They killed it from Feisty | |
| <blizz> ok.. is there a way to install it from edgy then? | |
| <somerville32> packages.ubuntu.com | |
| <blizz> yep, saw that.. strange | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: they killed it? | |
| <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Yes. We can't distribute it legally. | |
| <blizz> is there a way to install the edgy package? | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I didn't know that...phooey | |
| <somerville32> blizz: You could download the edgy deb, I suppose, and install it | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I think Seveas has it in his repo perhaps though. Well, did at one time. | |
| * somerville32 doesn't support third-party repositories. | |
| * somerville32 doesn't want to be liable for screwing people's computers up. | |
| <tonyyarusso> true | |
| <blizz> nice.. downloaded the deb and even a doubleclick on the desktop installed it. linux way more comfortable AND usable ;-) | |
| <blizz> how big is ubuntu market share anyway? ;-) | |
| <SoulChild> ANYONE that knows a good tutorial to compile a kernel in edgy ? | |
| <tonyyarusso> blizz: Something on the order of 8 million, according to Canonical. | |
| <tonyyarusso> (last I heard, which is a pretty old number actually, so add a bit) | |
| <somerville32> !kernel | SoulChild | |
| <ubotu> SoulChild: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel. You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild | |
| <somerville32> blizz: I would say Ubuntu has 1% of the entire market share | |
| <tonyyarusso> I should try that some time. | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'd say somerville32 is about right. | |
| <somerville32> Which, I think, is pretty damn awesome considering how young Ubuntu is | |
| <tonyyarusso> yeah really | |
| <krenjon> Anyone else got problems with no sound on xubuntu feisty alpha 2? | |
| <grazie> krenjon: probably not related, but I lost sound on a recent ppc edgy update | |
| <krenjon> grazie: my hardware is found and the mods are also loaded... dapper everything worked fine for me - feisty not ;) | |
| <grazie> krenjon: did you try live cd? was that ok with sound? | |
| <krenjon> no also no sound | |
| <grazie> feisty live cd fine for me | |
| <grazie> krenjon: have looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting | |
| <grazie> s/have/have you/ | |
| <krenjon> lol plz beat me up ;) | |
| <grazie> mixer? | |
| <krenjon> in edgy the mixer automatical put the vol high from center/left/right etc;) | |
| <krenjon> in feisty it doesnt do it ;) | |
| <grazie> been there etc | |
| <xfceubuntu> is there xfce 4.4 repo for edgy? | |
| <grazie> xfceubuntu: no. apparently it will only be in feisty | |
| <xfceubuntu> ??:( | |
| <xfceubuntu> i don't understand. why? | |
| <xfceubuntu> still 3 months | |
| <grazie> the ubuntu works I suppose | |
| <krenjon> so now i have to fix the compiz problem with xubuntu | |
| <krenjon> or better with "desktop-effects" | |
| <krenjon> xubuntu feisty works just fine at the moment xfceubuntu | |
| <xfceubuntu> OK krenjon | |
| <krenjon> dual core 2, p5b, geforce 7950gt | |
| <xfceubuntu> have you got feisty krenjon? | |
| <krenjon> yep | |
| <xfceubuntu> stable or i don't change for that? | |
| <krenjon> hm for me it's currently stable - but don't forget it also depends on hardware... | |
| <TheSheep> it will be truly stable in april, until then it can break at any moment | |
| <TheSheep> |