<Changlinn> yeah no executables

<Kamping_Kaiser> cool. thanks :)

<merlin-linux> morning all

<Changlinn> morning

<Hit3k> afternoon

<Hit3k> weird.. all my clocks are different

<merlin-linux> Hit3k: sounds like you need a ntp server

<Hit3k> merlin-linux, yeah sounds like it

<merlin-linux> i run my own internal ntp service

* siccness yawns! Morning all!

<siccness> Eek, Afternoon in fact.

<Cyvros> Good evening.

*** cps_ is now known as cps

<cps> hi

<Cyvros> Hiya, cps.

<cps> where are you for it to be evening Cyvros?

<Hit3k> my god im tired

<siccness> cps: I think he's just having a crack at me for saying good morning before :)

<Hit3k> I got woken up at 9:30 to go to the market and then i didnt even buy anything..

<Hit3k> its still great to see little people trying to pirate software for $10 though

<siccness> Yeah It's Ok.

<siccness> A lot of VISTA?

<siccness> *Vista

<Hit3k> no vista

<Hit3k> no operating systems

<Hit3k> just photoshop and other $2000 crap

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> Hit3k: When do you go back?

<Hit3k> go back where?

<siccness> school

<Hit3k> uhh

<Hit3k> 31st i think

<MistaED2> microsoft are going to make some comic strips to tackle software piracy

<Hit3k> haha

<MistaED2> the link was on digg

<Hit3k> recently?

<Changlinn> really... funny

<MistaED2> or it might've been slashdot, i'll check

<MistaED2> yeah slashdot: http://slashdot.org/articles/07/01/22/0731211.shtml

<Hit3k> oh thats funny

<Cyvros> siccness: You'd be right.

<nrdb> Hi, I would like to make an animation of an model engine I am thinking of designing, what program would be best to do this with ?

* AlexC is angry

* AlexC 's computer is a fag

* AlexC hopes it burns

<AlexC> hopes*

* Cyvros scratches his chin.

* AlexC 's computer doesn't like live cds

<Cyvros> Oh.

<AlexC> it won't boot any 6.10 cd

<Cyvros> Ohh.

<AlexC> kernal goes into panic

<Cyvros> Ohhh.

* Cyvros really isn't in any position to help. As a newb, he'd like to help, but unfortunately has a defunct public service gland.

* Cyvros scratches his chin.

* AlexC understands

* AlexC hits cyvros for calling himself a newb

<Hit3k> lol newbs

<Cyvros> Hey, remember - I used newbs, not n00bs.

<Cyvros> There is a crucial difference.

<Cyvros> Newbs are better. <_<

<Hit3k> yeah

<AlexC> lol

<Cyvros> http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060823

<Cyvros> Undeniable proof. :D

<Hit3k> i swear

<Hit3k> in the two months i havnt talk to anyone from school on msn the whole english vocabulary has changed

<purserj> Umm MSN no longer qualifies as english

<Cyvros> purserj: LOL.

<Hit3k> ok

<Hit3k> the whole msnese has gone into a new dialect

<siccness> Cricket's about to start!

<siccness> Some Crappy Team versus Another Crappy Team

* Cyvros BBLs. The King of the Potato People calls.

<Hit3k> NZ vs Eng

<siccness> Hit3k: Well obviously considering they're the only two other teams :P

<siccness> Who you got money on?

<siccness> My money is on NZ

<Hit3k> NZ

<siccness> I hope panasar can show us some skill from the English side though.

<siccness> Would love to see him spin a coupla balls into the head of Fleming.

<siccness> Hit3k: Did they say whether 007 was playing?

* Hit3k shrugs

<Hit3k> I didnt even know about the game till 2am last night and then i forgot about it

<siccness> Superbowl XLI on the 4th!

<nrdb> what do you use to make 3D animations ?

<siccness> Sweet

<purserj> nrdb: Blender is the FOSS 3D Animation tool of choice

<merlin-linux> Blender was used to create the "elephants dream"

<nrdb> Seen that it was good

<purserj> Technically it was very good

<siccness> lol

<siccness> He should have played a pull shot :|

<shenki> Hello

<merlin-linux> g'day shenki, how are things?

<shenki> not too bad. still recovering from a crazy week last week at lca :)

<merlin-linux> :-) take it you had a good time?

<shenki> indeed

<merlin-linux> kewl

<merlin-linux> i didn't end up going this year

<nrdb> just installed blender, the display isn't working correctly, the buttons and menus aren't rendering properlly. :(

<merlin-linux> shenki: but i will be going to lca08 tho

<shenki> between all the free beer from google, the litre stiens from the lowenbrau, the free breakfast from google... it was wesome

<shenki> oh, and the freel olpc laptop that i got :D

<shenki> merlin-linux: excellent

<merlin-linux> shenki: how you get a free olpc?

<shenki> i asked for one :P

<merlin-linux> oh, hehe

<merlin-linux> what is the olpc like?

<shenki> soooooo cool

<merlin-linux> :-)

<merlin-linux> shenki: are you interested in barcamp?

<merlin-linux> helping out i mean?

<shenki> hmm.... link me

<shenki> when is it going to be?

<merlin-linux> all info here >>> http://barcamp.org/BarCampAdelaide

<merlin-linux> and you could talk about the olpc

<shenki> hmmm

<shenki> the dates sound familiar, i think i might be busy... i'll check that

<merlin-linux> yep

<Kamping_Kaiser> hey shenki :D

<Hit3k> hehe debian etch testing

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<shenki> ohh, gnome-xchat has pretty new icons. haven't been on irc in aggggeeeesssss

<shenki> you back home?

<Kamping_Kaiser> yep.

<shenki> cool. how was the trip back?

<Kamping_Kaiser> as of yesterday

<Kamping_Kaiser> hot, stressful, and succesful

<Kamping_Kaiser> 1 train, 1 bus, 1 plane, all in quick succession

<Kamping_Kaiser> add to that the being 'randomly selected' for trace explosives tests...

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: lol that is funny

<cps> and did they find your explosives?

<Kamping_Kaiser> cps, no, thankfully

<cps> excellent

<shenki> woah. crazy

<shenki> yeah... we slept the plane flight home

<Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. nice.

<shenki> after you left us, we went out drinking at random bars in the cbd... got home at about 4.30, then woke up at 7.30 (still drunk) to go have breakfast with leslie

<Kamping_Kaiser> i neawrly fell asleep on the train - that wasnt a good look :S

<shenki> hehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<shenki> we go to the hotel, and ring up the room number that she gave us

<Kamping_Kaiser> find her?

<shenki> and the dude was like "um... that number doesn't exist at this hotel"

<shenki> with the hotel being the park hyat, the fanciest place in sydney

<shenki> OPPPSSS!

<shenki> it was james' fault - i thought it was the hilton

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<shenki> so we went to the hilton, and there she was

<shenki> all good

<shenki> we got more free stuff :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> classic :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> cool. were you still under wieght though? :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> i was on 19kg for my pack, and waaaay over on my carry already

<Kamping_Kaiser> so i'm glad i stopped when i did ;)

<shenki> lol, opps. nah, i was fine i think

<Hit3k> i want a gnome tshirt

<Kamping_Kaiser> my laptop bag alone is 7kg. (carry on is 7), plus i had a plastic bag full of the left over 'showbags' from the ubuntu stand

<shenki> ahh, okay. yeah, not having a laptop helped

<Kamping_Kaiser> adn that was probably ~7kg as well

<shenki> WAIT! i do have a laptop! hehehehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> perahps ~4/5 actually

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<Hit3k> Kamping_Kaiser, did they ask you to take the laptop out of its case?

<Hit3k> err bag

<Kamping_Kaiser> Hit3k, for scanning? yes

<Hit3k> wait are you talking about planes?

<Kamping_Kaiser> er... yes :O

<shenki> i had to take mine out too :D i walked around sydney airport, carrying it by the handle

<Hit3k> O:

<merlin-linux> what is the biggest carry on back you allowed to have on the plane

<purserj> not a lot. Probably a laptop size

<Tatey> hi guys

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, its supposed to be 7kg, and fit in those boxes they provide to test, but i had >7kg

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, know my LCA2006 laptop bag? about double that thickness is the size your allowed

<shenki> does anyone know much about jhbuild?

<Hit3k> for gnome?

<Hit3k> i tried doing that once

<Hit3k> it was a no go for me

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, i decided it wasnt worth the pain :)

<siccness> Heh, Amanda Vanstone gone.

<shenki> hehe, nah, im building sugar for the olpc

* Kamping_Kaiser afk

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: so they would not let this back on the plane as carry on >>> http://rushfaster.com.au/product.php?pProductID=CAR-6370-BLACK

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: that is my laptop bag

<Cyvros> siccness: And Turnball is a minister now!

* Cyvros pelvic-thrusts the air in victory.

<Hit3k> on the virgin flights they have these things before you board

<Tatey> what's happening fella's?

<Hit3k> if you put your bag in and it doesnt fit

<Hit3k> you cant carry it on

<Hit3k> or some weird crap like that

<siccness> This game of cricket is beyond the status of 'crap'/

<siccness> .

<Cyvros> Howdy, Tatey.

<Hit3k> siccness, whos batting outs/runs

<siccness> wah?

<Hit3k> whats the score :p

<siccness> 2/46

<Hit3k> whos batting?

<siccness> Taylor and Fulton

<Tatey> hi Cyvros :)

<siccness> I think I snapped my shoulder in half :D

<Hit3k> does that mean you dont have to watch that game

<siccness> lol

<Hit3k> which is 4/61 last time i checked

<siccness> I was out the back testin some of my bowling skills

<Hit3k> ah

<siccness> Man I'm good.

<siccness> I'm better than Brett Lee

<Hit3k> pfft everyones better than him

<siccness> i'd love to see what speed i bowl at

<siccness> i'd say they're over 130

* Changlinn has bowled passed an official speed tester

<siccness> yea?\

<Changlinn> you think they are a lot faster than they are

<siccness> heh

<siccness> what did you bowl at?

<Changlinn> I think I peaked at about 70... almost tearing my arm out of its socket

<siccness> lol wth

<Changlinn> oh it looked damn fast... and was probably one of the fastest there... but 130 it was not...

<siccness> spin bowlers do 80

<siccness> +

<Changlinn> I know...

<Changlinn> I have had someone from the old Australia A side bowl at me too... and they zip past you...

<siccness> how fast was he?

<Changlinn> no idea... probably about 120... but I wasn't quick enough to hit it....

<Changlinn> not even my cousin who played cricket for about ten years got any runs off him...

<Hit3k> see

<siccness> Taylor out for 15

<siccness> these guys suck

<Hit3k> im scared witless if the balls going fast than 100km/h

<Changlinn> he at least managed to hit a few... albeit not very far

<siccness> I haven't played cricket for years, I miss it. I wanna go play indoor with a team

<Changlinn> I looked at the ball release started to bring my bat down and I had already lost my middle stump

<siccness> lol

<Hit3k> we do cricket for an interschool sports competition

<Changlinn> yeah I wouldn't mind joining an indoor team

<siccness> I got asked to play for the school but I said no

<siccness> Volleyball was my thing

<siccness> Changlinn: be good fun eh

<Changlinn> remembering the fastest ever bowl was 160kph

<Changlinn> I used to love playing at school, specially when the lost the cricket ball and went with tennis balls... one game with a tenis ball I managed 10 6's in a row... I was on fire

<siccness> LOL

<siccness> did they put tape on one side of the tennis ball?

<siccness> or they dip it in a bucket of water to make it hurt? :)

<Hit3k> I got hit in the thigh by a cricket ball in year 8 kinda put me off cricket for 1 or 2 years

<Hit3k> it hurt alot.

<siccness> Hit3k: awww :P

<siccness> Even the poms are stronger than you, Pieterson got his rib cage cracked and kept playin :P

<Changlinn> nope, the opposition where idiots, we weren't complaining as we were in bat... :)

<Hit3k> Changlinn, lol thats the way to do it!

<siccness> 60 runs off 10 balls, that's classic

<Tatey> you're classic

<Changlinn> we smashed em, on my partnership alone we got 160...

<siccness> True.

<Hit3k> siccness, they're adult poms they have the strength of a 19 year old :p

<siccness> lol

<Changlinn> their bowler wasn't worth a pinch of the proverbial... and a tennis ball meant you could really let lose... 6's where pretty easy...

<Hit3k> I wonder if this Aus Vs India one day series in new york/vancouver will actually work

<Changlinn> I didn't know they were doing that... sounds interesting... americans are hungry for decent sport... so it might

<siccness> I'm thinking the next One Day International series, is that we make it between: Australia, Retired Australian Players and 15 Year Old Kids Australia

<siccness> That way it might be competitive.

<siccness> Changlinn: Doubtful. Americans like stupid sports. Eg: Baseball.

<Hit3k> yeah

<Hit3k> I wouldnt mind attending one of those matches just to see how many people show up to watch

<Hit3k> http://thefixed.org/owned.jpg

<siccness> lol

<Tatey> haha

<siccness> Some of the worst hand-writing ever :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> rofl Hit3k

<Hit3k> that wouldnt be a bad thing to do..

<Hit3k> except it would be better if it was linux cds

<Davo_Dinkum> Howdy peeps.

<Hit3k> howdy

<Rothbuntu> do do be do

<Hit3k> whoa that was weird

<Cyvros> Hit3k: ?

<Hit3k> I was just doing 8mb/s

<Cyvros> That bad?

<Hit3k> no it was just weird

<Cyvros> Okay.

<Hit3k> i thought links must have been broken

<Cyvros> Ah.

<Hit3k> links is broken...

<Hit3k> "Received 215Mb of 53Mb"

<yama> Hit3k: use elinks :)

<siccness> :|

<Hit3k> ah debian testing

<Hit3k> how i loathe thee

<siccness> one word, one letter, one line, and i'd feel a whole a lot better

<cafuego_> tssk

<Rothbuntu> what what whaaat!!

<siccness> That was the most rediculous shot ever

<Rothbuntu> cricket ?

<siccness> yeah

<Rothbuntu> are the kiwis all out for 0 runs

<siccness> no

<siccness> Panasar is very clever with the ball

<Rothbuntu> ahhhh yes yes MONTY

<Rothbuntu> New Zealand 154/5 (42.5 ov)

<Rothbuntu> HAHAHHAHAHA

<Cyvros> What I find interesting is how Gmail lets through a 'French newsletter' I've never seen before, yet labels a daily e-mail I've been getting for almost a month now as spam...

<siccness> Rothbuntu: funny, sure, but Australia struggled to make that the other night

<Rothbuntu> australia plays , australia wins very boring :(

<merlin-linux> Rothbuntu: hiya

<Changlinn> hometime, bye

<Rothbuntu> sup sup merls

<merlin-linux> how are things?

<Rothbuntu> ahhh just letting the missus parents have a lay down after their big flight here then we are off to glenelg for FOOD GLORIOUS FOOD =-O

<merlin-linux> :-)

<Cyvros> Exploding, asteroid-hunting robots. Only at NASA.

<Rothbuntu> havnt eaten all day but then again ive done nothing

<Hit3k> holy xchat its 5:32

<Rothbuntu> indeed

<Rothbuntu> only 5:oo here

<Cyvros> Rothbuntu: SA?

<Rothbuntu> yesm!

<Cyvros> Nice there?

<Rothbuntu> 27 and a cool breeze

<Cyvros> Sounds good.

<Rothbuntu> " verddy niceeeee" Borat style

<Cyvros> I'm getting a cool breeze here.

<Cyvros> Only it requires electricity and a portable fan.

<Rothbuntu> yeah well it was 40 plus for a week then we had a flood and now it is nice

<Rothbuntu> if this gardner dont nick off im gonna start throwing old fruit at him >:o

<merlin-linux> hehe

<Rothbuntu> its my right as a second floor tennant to harass the common 1st floor dwelling folk and other assorted pessants

<Cyvros> LOL.

<Cyvros> You are, after all, overlord.

<Davo_Dinkum> And thy rent be 'overdue'.

<Cyvros> LOL.

<Cyvros> Thou shalt not waste money on such trivial things as "rent" and "food".

<Cyvros> Anyone know anything about Impulse Tracker (IT) playback?

<nrdb> Its raining here

<Kamping_Kaiser> hm. its @404 currently. dinner time i suppose it menas

<siccness> hmm

<frenchninja> yep

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: about?

<siccness> Anyone else remember: The Cockroaches - Shes The One?

<MotherLUG> oh now you're talking siccness

<MotherLUG> otherwise known as the wiggles, well some of them are

<siccness> :)

<henno> hells yeah I do

<siccness> I remembered it from my childhood when I was in the car with my old man, about 3 years old

<siccness> I can still remember the lyrics of it

* MotherLUG remembers going to the under 18's and watching them live in Wollongong

<henno> I was around 8 or so

* MotherLUG feels really old now

<henno> I remember listening to them at expo '88

<henno> they weren't there.. I mean I loved them at the time

* henno ponders how strange it is that we humans associate music with events

<elkbuntu> not just music, any stimuli

* MotherLUG smells certain smells and it takes her back in time, just like music and so many other factors

<elkbuntu> attaching events to stimuli is the key to building photographic memory

<elkbuntu> s/the/one/

<MotherLUG> bbl, purserj is using asterisk and /me is getting major lag

<elkbuntu> you should lart him then, MotherLUG :Þ

<Davo_Dinkum> Hmm, gnome does not run well on 64MB RAM

<MotherLUG> ? lart. not sure what that means elkbuntu

<elkbuntu> Davo_Dinkum, no kidding.. im suprised it's running at all

<elkbuntu> !lart | MotherLUG

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

* elkbuntu spanks ubotu

<MotherLUG> lol

<elkbuntu> MotherLUG, Luser Attitude Reajustment Tool

<MotherLUG> oh the chair leg

<elkbuntu> yes

<MotherLUG> ahhh thankyou

<elkbuntu> or any other item light enough to pick up, yet heavy enough to leave a bruise

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki_, back

<Davo_Dinkum> elkbuntu: On a PII 350Mhz no less.

*** shenki_ is now known as shenki

<elkbuntu> Davo_Dinkum, i have the same with 256mb and it runs 'slightly sluggish'

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: question for you. ive got a system here that has no cd drive, and i cant seem to get it to do PXE boot nor booting of usbkey. however, i want to do a fresh install of ubuntu on it. any ideas?

<elkbuntu> however, it's about to receive a boost of enlightenment :D

<davekempe> shenki, can you take the drive out and put it in another machine? if so, debootstrap will save you

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, got a floppy drive? you might be albe to find a floppy netboot disc

<Kamping_Kaiser> or do you have a cd drive you can put in?

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: no floppy drive. ive got plenty of cd drives, but the fiesty image is burnt to a dvd-rw, and no dvd drives around :/

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, :/

<Kamping_Kaiser> cant burn a cd?

<henno> do what davekempe said and toss the HDD in another machine

<shenki> davekempe: the machine is currently running ubuntu, so ive tried to get debootstrap going... but i seem to be missing some key pieces, stuff that has changed since the guides for breezy were written

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: no blank cds :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> sheesh mate :)

<shenki> hehe, i could always wait till tomorrow...but where's the fun in that :)

<davekempe> debootstrap is maintained by an ubuntu person i thought

<davekempe> so it should support up to fiesty just by getting the latest deb

<shenki> davekempe: yeah, the package is fine... but it's setting up all the config files

<davekempe> yeah its not much of an install after its finished i agree :)

<shenki> :)

<shenki> elkbuntu: http://picasaweb.google.com/joel.stan/SydneyLCA2007/photo#5022294072727002674

<henno> man, england suck so hard at cricket

<henno> what a pathetic total

* shenki checks cricinfo

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, *grin* at picture

* Kamping_Kaiser pokes elkbuntu again about pictures, and partly hides behind shenki incase of anger

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: i think by that stage the tab was sitting somewhere around the $7000 mark :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, lol, i wouldnt be at all supprised :)

<elkbuntu> to be quite frank.. i dont remember that photo

<siccness> Man England are a joke

<shenki> elkbuntu: hehehe

<henno> siccness: it is beyond a joke

<henno> I would rather watch australia play australia 'A'

<siccness> The last ball of the game summed it up, Lewis basically hit it straight to slip

<henno> their bottom order just can't bat

<siccness> well

<henno> and when the top order falls over, they just suck

<siccness> top order cant either

<henno> exactly

<henno> our top order falls over occasionally

<henno> but the tail enders can also swing a bat

<henno> to 'save the day'

<siccness> i'd say our middle-orders are better than our top orders atm :)

<henno> agreed

<siccness> and im specifically talking about hussey

<henno> our last game was testament to that

<siccness> the worst thing australia could do, is to move hussey forward

<siccness> so they better leave him there

<henno> "the master finisher" or whatever they call him

<siccness> and pay him another $20m

<henno> damn right

<siccness> they better drop white

<henno> I have visions of him in the dressing room just before he goes out, saying "*sigh* Alright.. I guess it is up to me to salvage this game again."

<siccness> lol

<henno> white is a loose cannon

<siccness> i love watching the huss, he's all class

<siccness> teach him to bowl and you got the perfect allrounder :)

<siccness> or just teach lee to improve his batting

<henno> lee is not a bad batter

<siccness> hes good

<henno> he knows how to swing it

<henno> I was mildly impressed with bracken the other day as well

<henno> sure, he got out cheaply

<henno> but he was only 3 feet short of taking the winning shot with a 6 :]

<siccness> haha, i thought it was great to see him do it :)

<siccness> He's bowling as improved a heap.

<henno> oh god yeah

<henno> flintoff: "we could play a lot better"

<henno> no kidding

<siccness> lol

<AlexC> How do i get MP3 codecs?

<AlexC> i searched the packages site to no anvil

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC: Are you just playing mp3s?

<AlexC> yes

<Kamping_Kaiser> gstreamer-plugins-*bad

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC: Use VLC

<Davo_Dinkum> !VLC

<ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based). Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs

<Kamping_Kaiser> could almost go with gstream-plugins* for that matter

<siccness> Oh my

* AlexC hits siccness for being sicc

<Davo_Dinkum> Fully sicc!!

* AlexC hits davo_dinkum for being uncool

<Davo_Dinkum> Hey I'm k00l.

<siccness> I just got pictures back from the other night

<siccness> (At the 21st)

<henno> 'fully sick' is only cool on the set of Fat Pizza. Anywhere else is just wrong

* AlexC folds air and extracts ice then burns davo with can of baked beans

<Davo_Dinkum> Dry ice?

* AlexC kicks davo in shins

* AlexC eats davo_dinkum

<Davo_Dinkum> Who said I have shins.

* AlexC vomits

* AlexC is happy

<Davo_Dinkum> Who said I was edible?

* henno laughs at the shinless freak

<Davo_Dinkum> Don't tease people with diabilities.

<henno> you just have shin envy

<Changlinn> that ubuntu windows installer is a damned good idea...

* AlexC burns vomit

<AlexC> wtf

<Davo_Dinkum> Pity there isn't one for gNewSense.

<Changlinn> heh

<Changlinn> you switched to gnewsense?

<AlexC> what is a ubuntu windows installer?

<Davo_Dinkum> When I get my next laptop (which will be soon, as I have my eye on one).

<siccness> self explanatory?

<Kamping_Kaiser> AlexC, evil

<henno> AlexC: maybe it installs ubuntu from within windows?

<Davo_Dinkum> Changlinn: So no, not yet.

<AlexC> does it install windows from within ubuntu?

<AlexC> bc that would be shit

<Changlinn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe

<Changlinn> this bit I find interesting... "The installer may import settings from programs, such as mail from Outlook, Outlook Express, or Thunderbird, and bookmarks from Internet Explorer or Firefox, place them in the C:\ubuntu directory, and add a section to config.txt that will instruct ubuntu to import these settings into the user's profile on the first boot."

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC: Yeah it sounds like it. I'm guessing it resizes the windows partition while it's still mounted.

<Changlinn> this could do a whole "upgrade" from windows to linux... of sorts

<henno> Davo_Dinkum: how is that possible

<henno> to resize while still mounted

<Kamping_Kaiser> davekempe, no it doesnt

<Changlinn> no it actually uses a "loop mounted ext3 partition"

<Kamping_Kaiser> it installs ubuntu in a file on the hdd

<Davo_Dinkum> henno: No idea. Just guessing.

<Changlinn> ie it mounts a partition inside a file

<AlexC> i hope it burns

<Changlinn> smart

<henno> smart?

<henno> that is just wrong

<Changlinn> AlexC: you don't want it to work?

<Changlinn> henno: how? it means windows people can get a taste for it... made me buy beos back in the day

<Davo_Dinkum> Great, let's install ubuntu *within* a windows partition.

<AlexC> when i said i hope it burns i mean i hope it burns

<henno> Changlinn: I fail to see the difference between that and the live cd

<henno> as far as 'tastes' go

<AlexC> windows is a virus itself

<Changlinn> yeah but if they like it, then the wiki goes on, you can just rm the ntfs partition, and dump the image on to it

<AlexC> who needs to taste ubuntu

<AlexC> i didn't

<Changlinn> henno: I know a lot of people that use/like the concept of linux who have no idea how to download/burn and iso

<henno> well I guess it is the ubuntu perogative.. to move closer and closer to the windows users

<Davo_Dinkum> henno: A windows installer would mean people wouldn't have to know how to use a CD burner to burn ISOs etc. Less hassle basically.

<AlexC> i installed without any knowledge at all

<henno> Davo_Dinkum: if you can't burn a CD you should not be installing an OS

<Changlinn> one of my clients that now runs ubuntu, was running mandrake before that cause he bought a cd...

<henno> simple

<siccness> henno: agreed.

<AlexC> who cares if they stay with windows

<Davo_Dinkum> henno: Yeah, probably.

<Changlinn> henno: no, some people have different tech skills...

<henno> Changlinn: I'm sorry, I just don't buy that

<siccness> Yeah but it's burning a CD?

<Changlinn> AlexC: I do... advocacy...

<siccness> If you can't burn a CD, you really don't have tech skills.

<siccness> (in terms of computing)

<TheMuso> Many people know how to burn files onto a CD, but don't know how to burn a CD image.

<henno> ... and those people should not be installing an OS

* AlexC hits changlinn

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah sure: "I do an admin task like install an OS, but I don't know how to burn a CD".

<henno> installing an operating system is as much of a sysadmin task as you are going to get

<Changlinn> well the client that I sent the cd, is the boss for a co that sells linux communication servers, and he can code for it, but mainly sells

<henno> 99% of windows users cannot install windows

<Changlinn> he is no sysadmin

<Davo_Dinkum> "*I know how to do an admin task..."

<henno> it is the bundling that is the key

<siccness> 47% of statistics are made up, henno

<henno> siccness: damn right

<AlexC> henno: and they should die

<siccness> wtf?

<henno> wtf alright

<Changlinn> do you remember when BeOS did that free installer, that didn't destroy windows, it need windows to be able to install...

<Changlinn> it boosted the BeOS community at that time, majorly

<AlexC> i will personally eat their souls

<siccness> Doubtful, AlexC.

* AlexC burns all windows users

<henno> Changlinn: if the ubuntu installer could give them a 'taste' within windows (without installation - live style) and then gave the user the possibility of installation

<henno> that would be ideal

<Changlinn> henno: that sounds like the plan...

<Kamping_Kaiser> it would be wonderfull... just like using a live cd, but not...

<Changlinn> it simply installs a program into windows, that is an ubuntu image, that can be used to boot

<henno> that might work

<Changlinn> for people who can't burn cd's

* henno worries about that

<TheMuso> The big problem with this however is dealing with the NTFS filesystem.

<Changlinn> henno: you have always been able to burn cd's?

<henno> I might go back to windows and be a local techy

<Davo_Dinkum> Would such an installer work on a windows box without admin access?

<henno> Changlinn: no, but I learned that shit a long time before I ever installed an OS

<Changlinn> TheMuso: ahh no probs, a mate got ntfs3g working on ubuntu...

<henno> you are misunderstanding me

<henno> I am not saying everyone should be able to burn an ISO

* AlexC has a very deep hatred of window users

<TheMuso> Changlinn: Not that. Booting an image off an NTFS partition to run Linux.

<henno> I am saying if you can't, then you should not be installing an OS

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC: Obviously.

<Changlinn> Davo_Dinkum: considering you need admin access to edit the registry unless you have a clueless admin, it would need admin access

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC: What about former windows users?

<siccness> See what I don't understand is: If the user cannot burn a CD, then how are they going to go about installing mp3 playback and the other things in Ubuntu?

<henno> well that is another story

* Changlinn installed several os' before I could burn...

<siccness> If you're not prepared to learn

<siccness> then you're wasting your own time.

<AlexC> davo_dinkum: i can't hate myself

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Add/Remove in the applications menu.

<siccness> and to be honest, I'd rather have them stay on Windows.

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC: LOL

<henno> here is a dodgy analogy...

<Changlinn> siccness: I am guessing the project to make codec installs etc easier comes in there

<henno> if I can't fill up my car with fuel, then I should not be rebuilding the engine

<siccness> Well why not make a project to make burning CDs easier?

<henno> not saying that everyone has to be able to pump their own fuel

<siccness> if that's EVEN possible

<siccness> Make an application that downloads the ISO and you click "BURN"

<Changlinn> henno: car analogies in IT rarely if ever fully describe the full story

<siccness> and it does it

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Sure it is. Just shamelessy copy OS X.

* AlexC hates the people who use windows thinking it is somehow superior to every other OS in the world

<Changlinn> siccness: thats still assuming they have a burner...

<Davo_Dinkum> AlexC must hate gamers then,

<henno> Changlinn: well your story about installing an OS before knowing how to burn a cd does not rign true in modern operating systems anymore either

<henno> s/rign/ring

<AlexC> lol

<henno> maybe back in the 90's that would have been the case

<AlexC> davo_dinkum, not WoW gamers or Woofinstein gamers

<Changlinn> henno: yes I know... my first burner was a 4 speed and I had to use Kodak's software... which didn't copy cd's only burn data

<henno> but today, that is just not right any more. the knowledge needed to burn an ISO is minimal at best

<AlexC> they can be played with wine

<Changlinn> it also cost about $900

<henno> I paid over $1000, and it kills me to think of it

<siccness> Almost as much as Windows Vista :P

<Changlinn> henno: for you it is minimal...

<henno> I still have the sucker though

<Tatey^2> In 1000 years, people may try to read that data, but then they'll quickly loose interest when they realize it's in an ancient proprietary format that can only be interpreted with an application that hasn't existed for hundreds and hundreds of years. And who says technology will be more advanced in the far future than it is now, allowing people to read it regardless? <-- haha @ some of the comments in this article

<Changlinn> and probably most in here

<Tatey^2> shit

<Tatey^2> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/22/208204&from=rss

<Tatey^2> ^_^

<Tatey^2> wait

<henno> Changlinn: I am saying the skill needed to burn a CD is minimal compared to installing an OS

<Changlinn> henno: have you installed ubuntu lately...

<henno> that was not always the case

<siccness> Microsoft is working on a project they call 'immortal computing' which would let people store digital information in durable physical artifacts and other forms to be preserved and revealed to future generations, and maybe even to future civilizations. <--what a wank.

<Changlinn> henno: my grandmother could do it

<henno> Changlinn: have you burnt a CD lately?

<Tatey^2> siccness: read the comments

<henno> my grandmother could do it

<siccness> They can't even manage to preserve "digital artifacts" between two different versions of Word, much less forever <--ROFL

<Davo_Dinkum> .Don't stereotype grannies.

<henno> I wasn't

<henno> I didn't say all grannies

<henno> just mine

<Tatey^2> siccness: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=218242&cid=17721410

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<Changlinn> henno: its not doing it that is difficult, it is knowing how...

<siccness> Yea saw that

<siccness> the one above it is better

<henno> Changlinn: my point exactly

<AlexC> i hope ms trips over and get hit by a truck

<henno> Changlinn: you should not be installing an OS if you don't have certain skills

<henno> an I am talking basic skills here

<Changlinn> I have walked people through over the phone using the built in XP burning... that is drag drop, and click a bright link that says write these files to cd... and they still say they had been trying for hours

<henno> not some egotistical unix-head eletist skills here

<henno> Changlinn: I can appreciate that

<henno> the point is, that some people are limited in their computer abilities

<henno> you are saying that yourself

<Changlinn> henno: have you seen some of the occasional posts on various forums, even linux ones, where there burnt iso won't boot and they work out they just burnt the file to a disk...

<henno> for those people, a computer already bundled with ubuntu would be the key

<Changlinn> henno: and I don't think linux should be denied them, because they are missing the skill to burn a cd

<henno> I am not saying that

<henno> damn dude

<siccness> Changlinn: I said that mate.

<Davo_Dinkum> The problem is, people can't just pop down to hardly normal and buy a PC running ubuntu.

<Changlinn> henno: but that ain't going to happen too soon, this fills a niche

<henno> I wonder how much of a niche this is. People who know about linux, want to partition their HDD, setup a computer from scratch.. but can't burn a CD?

<henno> come on

<Changlinn> ahh no partitioning involved...

* AlexC grows tired of discussion and exits channel

<henno> I think that is a pretty narrow market you got there

<Changlinn> and just the ubuntu install wizard

* Changlinn agrees with AlexC

<siccness> yeah, all of you shut up :P

<Changlinn> I just said I think it is a good idea... obviously the dev does too.

* Davo_Dinkum breaks into Redmond and replaces the vista master CD with gNewSense.

<Davo_Dinkum> *CD master

<Changlinn> heheh

<Changlinn> replace the signed vista boxes with Ubuntu signed by Shuttleworth

<henno> maybe that is my problem. I don't have these visions of converting every windows user to linux

<Changlinn> Linux 1.0 signed by Torvals

<Changlinn> henno: yep thats a problem...

<Davo_Dinkum> GNU signed by RMS "Happy Hacking".

<siccness> henno: i see the problem trying to convert everyone

<henno> the best thing about free software is choice

* Changlinn envisions Roddenberry type utopia, with freedom, love and hippies

<henno> if someone knows about the alternatives, and choses otherwise, that is fine with me

<Davo_Dinkum> henno: I thought it was freedom.

<Changlinn> henno: Yeah, I do think windows does some stuff really well... hell I am a windows admin mainly...

<Changlinn> I even have a windows server at home

<elkbuntu> Davo_Dinkum, the freedom to choose

<henno> well I haven't used windows in 6 years or so

<elkbuntu> henno, so you're not a gamer then?

* henno clarifies - I have used it.. it is not on any of my computers

<henno> not at all

<Davo_Dinkum> henno: Including other people's machines?

<siccness> i see both linux and windows as tools, use the one that YOU feel comfortable with that is achieving the tasks that you require to be completed.

<Changlinn> yep... I would just like to see Linux be the better, to have all the things windows has

<siccness> Personally I hate all this moral, ethical, philosophical crap that goes on in Linux

<elkbuntu> siccness, amen

<henno> siccness: too right buddy

<henno> any zealotry is crap

<siccness> yup

<purserj> /win/win 25

<Changlinn> meh a little zealotry is good...

<henno> all of this "I want choice... as long as your choice is the same as mine" bullshit

<elkbuntu> siccness, i got some weeeeeird looks at the penguin dinner on friday when i said that to some guy that was hacking into the racecourse's network

<siccness> elkbuntu: what do you expect from them though?

<siccness> There's way too much focus on crap like this, when the focus should be developing the /tool/(s) better.

<Changlinn> henno: oh no thats more than Zealotry, thats bigotry maybe...

<elkbuntu> siccness, well he was like 'i use ubuntu now, but im thinking of going back to debian' and im like 'whichever suits you best' and he like looks at me as though im some freak :Þ

<siccness> lol

<TheMuso> The only thing I would rather see Linux be better than WIndows in, is accessibility. I am a horses for courses guy, except when it comes to accessibility.

<siccness> Could you elaborate?

<Davo_Dinkum> TheMuso: WTF?

<henno> Changlinn: well thsi linux 'flavour of the month" stuff that has gone on in the last year has a lot of idiots out there condescending on windows users merely because they have booted knoppix a couple of times

<TheMuso> siccness: BLind/vision impaired people have to pay too much money just to be able to use a windows computer

<TheMuso> I don't agree with that.

<elkbuntu> TheMuso, very true... what is the pricetag on JAWS now?

<siccness> Ahh ok, I don't know much about that so I shouldn't comment.

<TheMuso> elkbuntu: At least a grand last I heard.

<TheMuso> The accessibility stuff is only for tech savvy people at the moment, but in the future, my argument will be simple. Choose whats best for you, but you will have to pay a grand for the privelage.

<elkbuntu> that's ridiculous.. it's like they've decreed: only rich blind people are allowed to use computers

<siccness> elkbuntu: Either that or assuming Governments will pay for it to provide to people such disabilities.

<TheMuso> elkbuntu: Damn right

<siccness> *with such

<TheMuso> Well that killed the conversation. :)

<siccness> Eh, can't win em all.

<elkbuntu> TheMuso, probably for the better

<TheMuso> heh true

<Changlinn> well I would talk back some zealotry about computing should be available for everybody but I'd get in trouble...

<siccness> someguys have all the luck, whatchu gon do when your luck begins to run

<henno> ooh federer might drop his first set of the aus open

* henno loves a tiebreak

<siccness> oh my, the excitement!!

<siccness> :P

<Tatey^2> hey guys

<henno> and federer takes the win

* henno has a small wager on federer not dropping a set the entire AUS open

<TheMuso> If anyone can take a set from him, it could be Roddik.

<siccness> Big ol' Andy!

<henno> I also have a wager on Roddik to win

<henno> federer was unbackable odds

<siccness> I'm pretty sure it's Roddick too :)

<henno> it is.. it is an easy typo

* siccness sings

<Tatey^2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pah2yk3Jx50 <--- speed cooking

<siccness> ROFL

<henno> FYI federer was paying $1.02 for this game

<henno> win $2 for every bet of $100.. gee.. that is worth it

<siccness> Tatey^2: Classic when he throws the knife

<Tatey^2> hehe yea

<TheMuso> Ooooh crap. I think there is something *VERY* wrong with my laptop.

<Tatey^2> why is tht?

<Changlinn> whats wrong

<TheMuso> Something to do with the graphics chip. I can run in text mode, and run with standard VGA/Vesa drivers, but if I try and boot normally into Windows, or try using the correct driver for X, the system locks up.

<Tatey^2> :/

<MatthewV> evening all

<henno> TheMuso: what gfx card?

<TheMuso> ATI Mobility 7000 I think.

<TheMuso> Thinkpad R50

<henno> using the open source driver or fglrx?

<TheMuso> Open source

<TheMuso> fglrx doesn't support it any more afaik

* henno high fives TheMuso

<henno> I would hazzard a guess it is a hardware issue

<TheMuso> Funny that, so would I.

* henno notes the obvious condescension and goes back to watching the tennis

<TheMuso> Whats worse, is this laptop is just out of warranty.

<Changlinn> video getting enough cooling?

* merlin-linux is back with beer

<merlin-linux> and i saw the comet while walking to hungrey jacks for suppa

<siccness> mpd is buggy

<TheMuso> Sorry, a 7500

<siccness> bbs

<TheMuso> Changlinn: COuldn't tell you. Its a notebook after all.

<merlin-linux> my notebook cpu temp is

<TheMuso> Twas working during LCA last week, and I noticed it was a bit funny after returning from suspend to ram, but on thursday when I tried going into X, it was like it is now.

<merlin-linux> Sensors: CPU Temp: 42.0°C | Case Temp:

<TheMuso> But I hadn't tried with windows until tonight

<merlin-linux> my laptop will not come out suspend to ram

<merlin-linux> but hibernate works fine

<merlin-linux> brb

<merlin-linux> back

<Kamping_Kaiser> can anyone recomend a gtk ftp client?

<merlin-linux> gftp

<TheMuso> nautilus!

<Tatey^2> gftp or nautilus

<TheMuso> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'll give gftp a go.

<merlin-linux> gftp is gtk

<Kamping_Kaiser> nautilus is gnomelib

<Kamping_Kaiser> (read: needs all of gnome to work)

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: gftp is good, i use it

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, i'll give it a shot. :)

* TheMuso flicks to the status window before he types a series of explatives

<TheMuso> to prevent family friendly channels from copping the flack. :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> your on family friendly channels? :)

<TheMuso> This one is one of them.

<MatthewV> hi Yagisan

<merlin-linux> hi MatthewV

<MatthewV> hye merlin-linux

<MatthewV> *hey

<MatthewV> how is everyone tonight

<merlin-linux> what been happening

* Yagisan waves

<TheMuso> Peeved off!!

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: i am good, i saw the comet tonight going over adelaide near were i live

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, i saw it two nights ago

<MatthewV> should look now see if i can see it again

<MatthewV> brb

<merlin-linux> hehe

<merlin-linux> yeah well it heading your way

<TheMuso> Just like this to happen just out of warranty.

<Hit3k> hahaha england got pwned

<merlin-linux> TheMuso: what wrong?

<TheMuso> merlin-linux: Display hardware issue on my notebook.

<merlin-linux> oh that not good, what sort of laptop

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, nothing doing... almost entirely overcast :(

<TheMuso> Works in text mode/vesa standard VGA, but locks up when I attempt to go into X using the correct driver, and Windows bluescreens. Video chip is Radeon Mobility 7500.

<Kamping_Kaiser> Hit3k, australia need to loose now and then, and when they do tehy slaughter whoever beat tehm

<TheMuso> Notebook is Thinkpad R50.

<merlin-linux> ah ok :-(

<Hit3k> Kamping_Kaiser, they're still paying england back for beating them in the last ashes test

<Hit3k> (s)

<Hit3k> anyway got a video to finish watching bbs

<TheMuso> merlin-linux: You got that right.,

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, anyway, i seen it now.. and will probably see it again.. and if not, its only ~50 years until halley's comet comes over again

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: you got to about friday, after that it gone

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, thanks... maybe i should take a look under some sky modelling app

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: they not sure when this comet is going to come back

<MatthewV> is there a gtk equiv to kstars?

<TheMuso> Night all.

<siccness> Night mate.

<MatthewV> TheMuso, goodnight, sleep well etc

<MatthewV> btw, evening siccness

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: this pic taken in WA >>> http://windiepinkmoonchildhikes.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/mc-naught-comet/

<siccness> Hey champ

<merlin-linux> TheMuso: night mate

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, my dad tried to get a picture and totally mucked it up

<merlin-linux> doh

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, nice

<merlin-linux> yeah

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: here is a site with pics from all over the globe >>> http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught_page4.htm

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, thanks.. looking now

<Davo_Dinkum> Dammit I can't stand websites that just have a huge blob of text.

* Davo_Dinkum inserts <br> tags

* Kamping_Kaiser slaps Davo_Dinkum with a <p></p>

<Davo_Dinkum> Hmm yeah that would be better.

<MatthewV> and if we must use <br> valid XHTML is <br />

<siccness> Actually, I prefer 1000 of these: &nbsp; :D

<Davo_Dinkum> MatthewV: Not </br>?

<MatthewV> <?php for ($i = 1; $i++; $i > 1000) { echo "&nbsp;"; } ?>

<siccness> <br /> is the proper way

<MatthewV> Davo_Dinkum, no...

<MatthewV> </br> is an end tag

<MatthewV> and <br /> is a self closing tag

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh OK.

<siccness> I need to find some eletrical tape to tape up my tennis ball

<Davo_Dinkum> << Limited HTML knowledge

<MatthewV> Davo_Dinkum, no probs - i once tried to teach some yr9s html... :S

<Kamping_Kaiser> w3schools >*

<Davo_Dinkum> HTML is easy, I just haven't bothered to keep using it, and therefore have forgotten it.

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: look this program >>> http://www.astroarts.com/products/xplns/index.html

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, i'm actually using kstarts atm

<MatthewV> trying to find the thing

* Tatey^2 is working on a new site ATM

*** Tatey^2 is now known as Tate

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: k

<MatthewV> *kstars ;)

<merlin-linux> MatthewV: what you need to run kstars

<merlin-linux> i use gnome de

<Hit3k> I dont use HTML anymore

<Hit3k> I use CGI to generate VALID pages then copy and paste the code

<Davo_Dinkum> I've been looking at LCD screens too long.

<MatthewV> merlin-linux, i dont know, i just installed it and all deps came along

<MatthewV> kdelibs, among others

<Davo_Dinkum> I see horizontal lines accross my screen.

<merlin-linux> oh

<Davo_Dinkum> bbl looking at non-LCD objects

* MatthewV goes off to watch Thomas the TAnk Engine

<MatthewV> catcha all ;)

<Hit3k> peace

<merlin-linux> !Stellarium

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Stellarium - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<merlin-linux> !stellarium

<ubotu> stellarium: real-time photo-realistic sky generator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-1 (edgy), package size 1749 kB, installed size 3380 kB

<Hit3k> that sounds cool

<Kamping_Kaiser> isnt that like watching sunrise on TV?

<Hit3k> has anyone in here seen the commet yet?

<siccness> what commet?

* Kamping_Kaiser notices moon widget on his shelf and shuts up

<Davo_Dinkum> *Comet, people, please.

* Davo_Dinkum notices the lines have gone.

<Hit3k> oh

<Hit3k> i didnt notice my tyop :p

<siccness> http://images.google.com.au/images?q=Comet%20McNaught&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wi

<siccness> There you go, I saw Comet McNaught

* Davo_Dinkum is off.

<Davo_Dinkum> Later peeps.

<Davo_Dinkum> Bye!

<Hit3k> im bored now

<Tate> I'm not

<Hit3k> and why the hell not?

<Tate> there is too much to do :)

<Hit3k> ah

<Hit3k> I might develop some world changing application that will make me rich

<Tate> then it wouldn't be FOSS? :P

<Hit3k> I never said that

<Hit3k> I could make a closed source version and then a more advanced open source version

<Hit3k> the latter will be unix/freebsd/linux compatible only

<Tate> then people would just use the more advance FOSS version

<Tate> *advanced

<Tate> IMO, you're better off releasing the application completely FOSS, but setup a business that handles the implementation and maintenance of said application

<Kamping_Kaiser> or do line cups - current-1 is open source, current=closed

<Hit3k> not if they're on windows they wont

<Kamping_Kaiser> *line/liike

<Kamping_Kaiser> *liike/like

<Tate> denying someone your application based on choice of platform would be against the nature of FOSS :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> remember open source is a seller for business, free software just sounds to ethical

<Tate> you could be an arse like the OBSD developers and make it extremely difficult to grab their applications without buying the CD media :P

<siccness> Tate: You've done nothing to your site? :P

<Tate> I have, just behind the seens :)

<siccness> scenes, heh :P

<Tate> err

<Tate> scenes

<Tate> yes

<Tate> my gawd

<siccness> I want to be able to create nice images

<siccness> teach me

<Tate> photoshop tutorials 2u2

<Tate> I think I did a few photoshop tutorials a few years ago

<Tate> that's about it

<siccness> Did you do that giant lime thing on tatey.com?

<Tate> yes

<siccness> How the hell do you do stuff like that

<Tate> the actual limey part in the middle, was a stock photo that I vectorise. It's all about image manipulation

<Tate> *vectorised

<Tate> then, I drew a circle, added a gradient and tecture, added the shadow, played with some layers, and ta da!

<Tate> I've just been playing with photoshop for too many years

<siccness> Yeah, kinda sad really :D

<siccness> Nah I wish I had that kinda talent to do that kinda shit

<siccness> be kinda useful

<MatthewV> night all

<Tate> night MatthewV

<siccness> Night mate

<siccness> Tate: I'm going to make a site like yours I think

<Tate> my blog or fileshere?

<siccness> former.

<Tate> nice

<siccness> Yeah

<Tate> my site is really out of date

<Hit3k> thats an awesome layout

<Tate> thanks Hit3k ^_^

* Kamping_Kaiser wishes he had a single gimp understanding and artistic bone in his body

* Hit3k cant stand the gimp

<Hit3k> as i've explain many times before, tis why i keep windows on my laptop, because then I can have photoshop

<Kamping_Kaiser> thats nice dear

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, would be nice to be somewhat talented in the world of art/gimp/photoshop crap

<siccness> So I'll just download someones template

<siccness> and use that

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i cant even do that *grin*

<Tate> heh, I can use the Gimp

<Kamping_Kaiser> whats that other graphics thign? inkscape or something?

<siccness> yea some shit like that

<Tate> I just prefer photoshop for any real design work. I have my Mac laptop for that

<Tate> IMO, OS X is a nicer design environment than Windows

<siccness> Tate: what's a good site to get templates and shit from?

<Tate> it depends on what you want to do

<Tate> do you want just a website, or a wordpress template, etc?

<siccness> just a layout similar to yours

<Tate> http://www.oswd.org/

<siccness> (im not going to copy yours exactly, dont worry about that)

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: what you think of gftp

<siccness> Thanks

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, now i'm using it i remember using it in the past, and its good stuff :)

<Hit3k> Tate, I agree Mac is the best for a design environment no doubt about that

<merlin-linux> :-)

<Tate> when it comes to coding though, I really prefer Linux, though, provided I have a decent editior, I don't really care what platform

<siccness> Too many sites these days don't use up space.

<Tate> siccness: I agree, the whole "centre" your site thing

* merlin-linux wonder what 2GB of kingston laptop ram is worth

<siccness> Yeah, I hate that Tate

<Tate> it's suitable for some websites, I really prefer scalable sites though

<Tate> it's better for handling large content, it's definitely harder to implement though

<Hit3k> Tate, what editor do you use?

<merlin-linux> Tate: what the web site you working on?

<Tate> Hit3k: ATM, I'm using Gedit because of it's SSH extensions. I prefer SciTE though

<Tate> merlin-linux: I'm working on http://fileshere.net

<siccness> I use vim

<merlin-linux> i use pico

<Tate> for CLI, I can use either vim or nano, doesn't worry me

<merlin-linux> and gedit

<Hit3k> god damnit

<merlin-linux> i never got the hang of vim

<Hit3k> this keyboard is so stiff

<Hit3k> it slows my typing down and makes me muck up my spelling

<siccness> why do people use iframes, seriously :|

<merlin-linux> Tate: the site looks goos atm

<merlin-linux> s/goos/good

<Tate> it's just a prototype

<Tate> I'm contemplating writting custom scripts

<Tate> I know that's a lot of work though

<siccness> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3436 <--I like that

<siccness> Except that stupid thing up the top

<Tate> that's nice :)

<MotherLUG> siccness, you need to come visit

<siccness> Nah I'll be right.

<siccness> :P

<MotherLUG> we have singstar 80's

<siccness> MotherLUG: LOL

<Hit3k> oh oh I hated the 80s

<purserj> warning: I have been singing

<MotherLUG> won't be able to apeak tomorrow

<Hit3k> and i wasnt even around then

<MotherLUG> warning: I've been listening to him

<siccness> i cant sing :)

<MotherLUG> neither can james

<MotherLUG> or myslef

<MotherLUG> myself even

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, lol too

<siccness> MotherLUG: yeah but I still have some pride left in me :D

* siccness runs

<MotherLUG> I had babies, I feel no shame any more

<Hit3k> have they asked you where babies come from yet?

<Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, siccness cant do that though ;)

<siccness> I dunno Kamping_Kaiser, I have been able to invent quite a few things in my life time.

<MotherLUG> Hit3k, I had my 8yr old ask me after hearing a radio " Mum what is premature ejaculation"?

<siccness> LOL

<Hit3k> hahahahaha

<purserj> siccness: when you can pass a water melon out your butt and be walking around ten minutes later then come back and tell us ;)

<Tate> ahh, good 'ol Nova

<Hit3k> god they have those ads everywhere

<siccness> "Ask James?"

<siccness> lol purserj

<Hit3k> theres this giant billboard with this girl with her mouth open and this guy standing there with his belt undone

<Hit3k> "give her something to be shocked about"

<siccness> lol

<Hit3k> its on high street road down in glen iris

<Kamping_Kaiser> bhahaha

<MotherLUG> what is the billboard advertising Hit3k ?

<Hit3k> uhhhh

<Hit3k> some premature ejaculation crap

<MotherLUG> ahhhhh

<MotherLUG> thought it might be advertising a new book

<siccness> i want that giant billboard the new zealanders rejected

<Hit3k> its everywhere on the radio creeps me out..

<Hit3k> what ones that?

<Hit3k> FCUK?

<siccness> horny?

<siccness> with that girl

<Hit3k> is the girl hot?

<siccness> who won that miss universe thing

<Hit3k> oh

<siccness> jennifer hawkins

<Hit3k> shes ugly ever since the thong thing

<siccness> thong thing?

<Hit3k> where she was doing the catwalk and her shoe caught her dress and ripped as she was talking off

<siccness> LOL

<Hit3k> talking off? walking off even

<siccness> I remember that

<MotherLUG> thong = dental floss for you bum

<siccness> oh thanks for the pretty picture

<Kamping_Kaiser> ROFL

<MotherLUG> your welcome

<Hit3k> I cant concentrate on my coding anymore.

<MotherLUG> s/your/you're/

<siccness> Tate: All those designs aren't suited, looks like big sicc has to whip up some magick.

<Tate> siccness: you don't need fancy graphics, just whip up a layout with XHTML/CSS :)

<siccness> nah, invalid html might be the best way to go

<Tate> sif

<siccness> ;-)

<siccness> I'll do it all in .php, printing with echo :D

* Kamping_Kaiser pulls out a sward, and impales siccness to a vista cd

<Kamping_Kaiser> *sword

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders why he keeps doing that a/o error

* siccness pulls out a gun, care to battle?

<siccness> :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> i challenge you!

<Kamping_Kaiser> tetrinet!

<Hit3k> a/o? anal output? got trouble? :P

<siccness> got rhetorical?

<Kamping_Kaiser> Hit3k, sward/sword

<Hit3k> hey spider on the wall wonder if i can get it high by sticking a perm marker in front of it

<Tate> I'm going to head off

<Tate> night

<siccness> Wait

<Hit3k> night Tate

<siccness> before you go

<Tate> yea?

<siccness> is there a way to make a table 100%?

<siccness> both vertically and horizontally

<siccness> so it's always the same for each resolution

<Tate> <table width="100%" height="100%">

<Hit3k> <table width="100%" height="100%"

<Tate> tables are *really* backwards though mate

<Hit3k> damnit forget the >

<siccness> tables 0wn u

<Hit3k> divs ftw

<Tate> I find it 10x harder to do a site in tables

<Hit3k> -carefully placed- divs ftw

<Tate> you basically take logic, and throw it out the window :P

<Tate> heh, all of my sites are pretty simply xhtml wise

<siccness> Logic barely exists.

<Tate> header, content, footer

<Tate> that's pretty much it :P

<siccness> It's interesting how 'darkgrey' is lighter than 'grey', for bgcolor=*

<siccness> my guess is that it's not valid

<siccness> so it pulled out any old grey

<MotherLUG> Night All

<siccness> Night

<Hit3k> night

<Kamping_Kaiser> night

<siccness> Hit3k: how do you make borders look less stupid?

<Tate> heh siccness

<Tate> night all

<Hit3k> siccness, border="0" turns them off

<Hit3k> or you can style them in CSS

<siccness> yeah nah i want a black border

<siccness> single line

<siccness> without weirdness

<purserj> border-style: solid; border-width: 1px

<siccness> beauty

<siccness> thanks

<purserj> np

<Hit3k> My code never works :(

<Hit3k> I'm just not gonna use tutorials any more

<siccness> lol

<siccness> what u codin?

<Hit3k> Well I -was- trying to code an Analog clock I followed it line by line from the tutorial/example YET it spits errors out at me

<siccness> dude, code something useful :P

<merlin-linux> yeah code a life hehe

<siccness> code a codebase

<siccness> :D

<Hit3k> you code a codebase

<Hit3k> Im learning this stuff so I can code something useful

<siccness> no, i'll code something useful :P

<Hit3k> I'm sick of web applications i need a website/domain/hosting to do that im far to lazy to set one up

<purserj> what do you want to do?

<merlin-linux> w00t i won another xlotto draw, gee you got to love spam

<Hit3k> purserj, I dont know yet im just learning

<purserj> right

<Hit3k> yay

<Hit3k> I've gotten it down to 1 error

<siccness> yea but you'll fix that error

<siccness> and get a few more

<Hit3k> probably

<Hit3k> but at least i got the first lot out of the way

<Kamping_Kaiser> dont remind me about errors :( i having fixed itshares site yet

<siccness> heh

<Kamping_Kaiser> *havent

<siccness> bah im sick of this crap already

<Hit3k> I seriously cant believe i missed THAT

<Hit3k> ( the error I was missing two () )

<siccness> Is it possible for a table to have at the top a single row (one cell), but underneath it to have a single row but two cells?

<Hit3k> <td colspan="2"> iirc

<Hit3k> or colspan="*"

<siccness> does that go up the top or the bottom?

<siccness> nevermind, up the top :)

<MotherLUG> Am I here?

<siccness> No :P

<MotherLUG> good :P

<siccness> heheh

<merlin-linux> hiya MotherLUG, how are you?

<MotherLUG> Hi merlin-linux , I'm great, How are you going?

<Kamping_Kaiser> gnight all.

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: i am damn great, i getting some goodies

<MotherLUG> night Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> night MotherLUG

* Kamping_Kaiser gone

<merlin-linux> night Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> night em

<Kamping_Kaiser> night merlin-linux

<merlin-linux> :-P

<MotherLUG> merlin-linux, well spit it out, what type of goodies

<merlin-linux> stuff from lca

<MotherLUG> ahh like?

<merlin-linux> lca07, linux google, intel tux tshirts and lca07 bag

<merlin-linux> that what i know of atm

<merlin-linux> i not have to buy tshirts this year :-)

<Hit3k> fuck its late and im making some serious typos in code and missing serious things

<Hit3k> good night people

<MotherLUG> oh lucky. maybe I should check to see if there are left overs I can get

<merlin-linux> Hit3k: night

<Hit3k> and excuse the language :)

<MotherLUG> Night Hit3k

<siccness> night

<Hit3k> night, merlin-linux MotherLUG siccness Kamping_Kaiser whoever else is around...

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: couple people got me stuff from lca

<MotherLUG> lucky fellow :D

<merlin-linux> a friend got a olpc laptop

<MotherLUG> sweet

<merlin-linux> cause he asked for one

<MotherLUG> kidding

<MotherLUG> I want about 6 for my kids and niece

<merlin-linux> no he was in the channel earlier today about it

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: but i will be at the lca08 tho

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: hope you be there, be nice to meet up

<MotherLUG> So will I dale, so will I. Even if it means committing murder to be there, I will definately will be

<merlin-linux> lol, don't let me into your crimes

<merlin-linux> hehe

<MotherLUG> hahaha, you will be an accessory now. >Evil laughter<

<merlin-linux> hehe, yeah of the after fact of knowing

<merlin-linux> hehe

<MotherLUG> just getting XaoS installed on my lappy so I can get some graphics done for a website job I'm doing

<merlin-linux> we'll catchup for a wine

<MotherLUG> or a beer

<merlin-linux> that to

<merlin-linux> i thought you were a wine drinker

<siccness> catch up with a keg.

<merlin-linux> siccness: and i will be at lca08 drunk most the time

<MotherLUG> I love black

<siccness> I have a picture of me drunk

<MotherLUG> then scotch

<MotherLUG> then wine

<merlin-linux> shot of scotch then a beer

<MotherLUG> well don't just tell us siccness , show us

<siccness> ok

<merlin-linux> for lca08 Kamping_Kaiser and i are crashing at siccness's place

<siccness> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toothlessmike2ng.jpg

<siccness> im the bloke in the middle

<merlin-linux> not sure if a good thing with the three of use tho

<merlin-linux> siccness: kewl

<merlin-linux> i need more stickers for my laptop

<siccness> bloke on the right is my best mate

<siccness> he ended up passin out i think

<MotherLUG> bloody pop-ups

<MotherLUG> god I hate this laptop

<merlin-linux> who the girl, she looks cute

<siccness> Christine I think her name is

<siccness> She got drunk way too quickly

<siccness> I shouted her a drink

<merlin-linux> hehe

<siccness> then all of a sudden she was talkin about how excited she was

<siccness> man it was weird

<merlin-linux> lol

<merlin-linux> siccness: what is a eg worth

<merlin-linux> keg

<siccness> depends on size, what beer is in it

<MotherLUG> black

<siccness> either way, no idea

<MotherLUG> ahh finally down

<MotherLUG> don't look half bad for being tanked siccness

<siccness> lol

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: what is black

<siccness> theres a few pics of me being a tosser

<MotherLUG> black is otherwise known as old

<MotherLUG> or is it olde

<merlin-linux> ah ok

<siccness> MotherLUG: you comin to lca08?

<MotherLUG> but there is an old brown also, but black is so much nicer

<MotherLUG> even if I have to sell my children to the devil siccness

<siccness> good, you'll see what i look like wasted :)

<MotherLUG> lol

<siccness> googles shout of course :)

<merlin-linux> here an old pic of me >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/~quail/img_0043.jpg

<siccness> You look like the type of bloke that'd hit someone for no reason. You can stay outside for LCA08 :P

<merlin-linux> siccness: huh

<siccness> dont worry, I was only joking :)

<merlin-linux> good

<merlin-linux> hehe

<merlin-linux> here more recent pic >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/~quail/IMG_0220.JPG

<siccness> basketball stadium?

<merlin-linux> barcamp hall for later this year

<siccness> ahh

<merlin-linux> this my good friend >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/~quail/IMG_0259.JPG

<siccness> Pizza Hut? dude, :|

<merlin-linux> siccness: $5 for large pizza you can't complain

<siccness> Heh

<merlin-linux> siccness: but i buy domino's pizzas now

<merlin-linux> cause pizza never had stuff in stock when you put order in

<MotherLUG> this is why I so need to meet everyone. The mental images I have of people is nothing like what they actually look like

<merlin-linux> ok quail is a empty dir now

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: you sure you want to meet me after them images

<merlin-linux> hehe

<siccness> MotherLUG: What did you think I looked like? a hot sexy man?!

<siccness> I told you I looked like a bogan with missing teeth :)

<MotherLUG> lol

<MotherLUG> lucky I saved those pics before you pulled them merlin-linux

<merlin-linux> hehe

<merlin-linux> don't repost them plz

<siccness> repost them

<siccness> put em on ebay

<siccness> see how much he goes for

<siccness> :D

<siccness> "A night out with sexy merlin!"

<merlin-linux> a friend mine sold a pic on ebay of himself

<siccness> I'll put down a bid of $5000

<MotherLUG> oh come on merlin-linux , I keep them in my lug folders. you will safelygo into the southern vales folder

<merlin-linux> MotherLUG: hehe, kewl

<MotherLUG> well batteryis just about to die

<MotherLUG> I will bid thee al a good night once again

<siccness> Night

<MotherLUG> night

<siccness> I'm off too, night quail.

<MotherLUG> I'm keeping your pic too siccness

<merlin-linux> night siccness and MotherLUG

<siccness> Yeah that's cool.

<MotherLUG> Night

<DavidDawesFXA> WoW! Popular place (for this time of day!

<merlin-linux> NO

<DavidDawesFXA> G'day all. A quick (silly) question ...

<merlin-linux> hehe

<DavidDawesFXA> I D/L'd Edgy today and am trying to install it onto a IBM P3 (450MHz) on a PATA 40GB HDD, but like last night's attempt, it seems to be in a loop

<DavidDawesFXA> Oh yeah, and it only has a pair of 64MB SDRAMs - am I flogging a dead-horse?

<merlin-linux> is that the desktop disk?

<DavidDawesFXA> (it loaded the Edgy server build no problem)

<merlin-linux> for desktop install you need min 192MB ram

<DavidDawesFXA> Ah ha

<merlin-linux> look at the edgy alternat cd

<DavidDawesFXA> That must be it - curious symptoms!

<DavidDawesFXA> Ah - what would I change in the setup with that?

<merlin-linux> alternate cd is ncurses install

<merlin-linux> you need to download the alternate cd

<DavidDawesFXA> ncurses?

<DavidDawesFXA> Oh and by the way, do you think I could run this box as a file server (I've got a pair of 300GB SATA, and a PCI-SATA card - it was accessible under XP on the same PC

<merlin-linux> is this only pc you got

<merlin-linux> here the cd i was talking about >>> http://ubuntu-releases.optus.net/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso

<DavidDawesFXA> Well, only unused one

<DavidDawesFXA> but I guess I should take a couple of mates' advice & buy another from Greys ;-)

<merlin-linux> yeah you can set it up as file server

<DavidDawesFXA> Yep - I know the image you mean

<merlin-linux> you will need to have samba on it so the XP boxen can access it

<DavidDawesFXA> I was browsing the downloads page at length last night & today

<merlin-linux> ok

<DavidDawesFXA> Ah, I thought I noticed samba in the std build

<merlin-linux> i pure linux here and not use samba

<DavidDawesFXA> Is it on the Alternate one?

<DavidDawesFXA> Ah

<merlin-linux> alternate cd is just an install cd

<DavidDawesFXA> I'm just starting in Ubuntu - I use Solaris all the time

<merlin-linux> k

<DavidDawesFXA> merlin-linux: you sound like you might speak Spanish, or Portuguese?

<merlin-linux> no

<merlin-linux> i am a pom

<DavidDawesFXA> (sound vaguely like someone in Valencia I chat with sometimes)

<DavidDawesFXA> LOL!

<DavidDawesFXA> OPOPS

<DavidDawesFXA> -P

<merlin-linux> hehe np

<DavidDawesFXA> Well, I guess I might as well kil this install, and D/L the other image (or maybe find another stick of RAM ;-)

<DavidDawesFXA> Thx for the advice

<DavidDawesFXA> Catch you next time

<merlin-linux> welcome

<merlin-linux> bye

<DavidDawesFXA> :-)

<DavidDawesFXA> ttfn

*** yama` is now known as yama

<Changlinn> morning all

<yama> omfg I just realised that I have 8mb adsl now :)

<MotherLUG> oh you poor thing yama

<MotherLUG> can you cope

<MotherLUG> hehehe, Morning All

<Changlinn> morning MotherLUG, yama

<yama> must... have... bandwidth...

<MotherLUG> Well hello there Changlinn, How are you

<yama> good morning MotherLUG, Changlinn

<yama> speak of the devil...

<yama> teh 3vil

<Changlinn> and the devil doth apear

<purserj> "This is just a tribute..."

* purserj is having a blackboard moment with the kids

<adhoc> purserj: blackboard as in the online education system?

<purserj> no blackboard as in the grumpy character from Mr Squiggle

<purserj> "hurry up hurry up"

<adhoc> ah, my favourite ...

<adhoc> but i often get to say, upside down ms janet

* purserj leaves that one well alone

<Changlinn> upside down, upside down...

* purserj waits for the youngens to say "Mr Who?"

<adhoc> no, Dr who

<purserj> heh

* purserj sighs, why is Australia behind the 8 ball when it comes to cool tech

<adhoc> purserj: the bit afer ball is redundant

<Changlinn> nah anything from the on is redundant

<yama> "outlook not so good"

<yama> Wow, that magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask it about Exchange Server next.

<TheMuso> Morning all. Lovely rain here in Sydney.

<yama> not lovely when you get drenched walking to work :(

<purserj> better than frying in the sun

<yama> indeed

<purserj> mind you watching Chris Smart trying to get his foot out of his mouth on Sunday night after the Lowenbrau was fun

<yama> after the pre-lca dinner?

<purserj> yeah

<purserj> He was the guy who turned to you and said

<purserj> "Well you don't have to worry about sun burn"

<yama> yep, I know him

<yama> which reminds me, I have to e-mail him some stuff. Does anyone have his address?

<AlexC> BOO

<MotherLUG> HOO

<AlexC> BAA