*** Allan is now known as Hit3k

<Hit3k> well gee thats a bit stupid

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL nice quit message

<Davo_Dinkum> Is there an Ubuntu edgy package of the latest GAIM beta?

<Hit3k> Linux - because the only reason to reboot is to install new hardware

<cef> hrm.. think I've found a regression in firefox

<Phlosten> ooga booga

<cef> yup, found a firefox bug.. what fun!

<siccness> Info?

<siccness> Version?

<cef> in Ubuntu 6.06. latest

<cef> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3294

<Phlosten> woot, final flash ver 9, now the installer fails

<cef> crashes if you have a password only page and tell it to save the password for that page

<cef> and then crashes any time you access said page again till you delete the password

<siccness> Heh

<cef> tried it on 2 different machines too

<merlin-linux> afternoon all

<siccness> time to try gaim 2.0.0beta6

<Cyvros> Beta 6 is out?

<siccness> yup

<siccness> came out a couple of days ago

<Cyvros> Neat.

<Cyvros> I'm still stuck with beta 3.

<siccness> why?

<Cyvros> <_< Damned Ubuntu defaults.

<siccness> lol

<Cyvros> I did use beta 5 in Windows.

<siccness> doesnt mean you're stuck with it

<Cyvros> I know.

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Is there an ubuntu package of gaim?

<siccness> beats me man

<Cyvros> I just kept forgetting to update. :D

<Cyvros> I like my console - I like aptitude.

<Cyvros> Aptitude looks nice.

* Cyvros BBLs again.

<Davo_Dinkum> I need a .deb package of it!

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Care to compile one for me?

<Davo_Dinkum> Please?

<siccness> Nope. I'll probably end up in some sort of 'strife' if I were to do that.

<siccness> Considering the last person to do so got yelled at :)

<Phlosten> who yelled at who?

<siccness> That's not important.

<Phlosten> yes it is, it's juicy goss! :)

<siccness> lol

<cef> well, yes it is.. it's the "who" that is doing the yelling that is of concern.

<ThePizzaKing> Davo_Dinkum: You looking for a .deb package for Gaim 2 Beta 6?

<Phlosten> mm pizza, i could go a pizza right now

<Phlosten> damn you ThePizzaKing

<Davo_Dinkum> ThePizzaKing: Yes.

<ThePizzaKing> hahahaha

<ThePizzaKing> Davo_Dinkum: The debuntu repository has it: http://repository.debuntu.org/

<siccness> Oh sweet. They fixed the stupid 'Status' combo list

<siccness> ThePizzaKing: available packages of gaim 2.0.0beta5, where's beta6?

<Cyvros> Is Gaim 2.0 classified as vapourware yet? ;)

<ThePizzaKing> siccness: It's in there, I guess they just haven't updated that page

<siccness> Ah ok

<DarkMageZ> Cyvros, it's not vaporware if you can play with a mostly working beta

<DarkMageZ> it just means that they are putting in the effort for quality assurance

<siccness> I'll be happy when they decide to fix up the 'Sound Events' listbox under the 'Sounds tab' in the Preferences windows.

<Cyvros> DarkMageZ: Damn these technicalities. :D

<DarkMageZ> i'll just be happy when i can use ubuntu on a p3 @ 667mhz with 128mb and browse ebay without causing the xserver to flood the cpu...

<DarkMageZ> 256mb*

<Cyvros> Only thing I have troubles with in Gaim (not just b3 in Ubuntu, also b5 in Windows) is that if my Jabber or IRC accounts get disabled or disconnected, they don't automatically reconnect like my other accounts (like WLM).

<Cyvros> DarkMageZ: Hehehe.

<siccness> Wow, gaim crashed :|

<Cyvros> siccness: LOL.

<Cyvros> I was just about to update, too.

<siccness> Talk about some rock solid stable-ness.

<siccness> Ok, it crashes when you change your status :|

<DarkMageZ> siccness, is that beta 5? i think i read somewhere that they fixed that

<siccness> beta6

<siccness> Looks like I gotta go file a bug

<siccness> already been filed.

<Cyvros> BRB, updating.

<siccness> rofl, i cant use gaim anymore

<Davo_Dinkum> why?

<siccness> crashes on startup now

<siccness> looks like i gotta drop back to beta5

<Davo_Dinkum> hmm

<Davo_Dinkum> You're running gentoo, right?

<siccness> Indeed.

<Davo_Dinkum> OK.

<Davo_Dinkum> brb

<Davo_Dinkum> Why doesn't /msg work in irssi?

<siccness> it does

<Davo_Dinkum> Not for me.

<siccness> ../msg [nickname] hello

<siccness> are you registered?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah

<siccness> is the person you're trying to msg registered?

<Davo_Dinkum> Ooo h this can't be good.

<Davo_Dinkum> The latest GAIM from debuntu is removing ubuntu-desktop

<Davo_Dinkum> No one cares to give me some pointers?

<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package

<Davo_Dinkum> So it's not as scary as it sounds?

<siccness> Correct.

<adhoc> its hot outside ...

<Cyvros> Nice.

<ThePizzaKing> hmm, Mine didn't try and remove ubuntu-desktop

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*** Alter_Ego is now known as Davo_Twice

<Davo_Twice> Why am I listed twice?

<Davo_Dinkum> Test

<Davo_Twice> All quiet.

<Cyvros> Quite.

* Cyvros fidgets.

<Davo_Twice> Damn not even the latest beta has Japanese characters support.

<Davo_Twice> GAIM that is.

<Cyvros> I like the new mail notification.

* Davo_Twice doesn't have new mail :D

<Davo_Twice> *:(

<Davo_Twice> siccness: ping

<Cyvros> Mine's probably just some Microsoft newsletter, anyway. :D

<Davo_Twice> LOL

<siccness> Davo_Twice: pong

<Cyvros> Grr...

<Davo_Twice> siccness: PM!

<Cyvros> Stupid Log Reader.

* Cyvros grumbles.

<Davo_Twice> siccness: Oi!

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<merlin-linux> hiho all, whats been happening?

<Davo_Twice> nm

<siccness> yea what Davo_Twice?

<Davo_Twice> siccness: I am still PMing you!

<siccness> I'm not receiving anything

<Davo_Twice> Damn

<Davo_Twice> brb

<quail> w00t

* siccness thinks

* Davo_Dinkum is shocked

<siccness> :P

<quail> i got my matrox card running at 1600x1200 w00t

<quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.15-27-686 | Dual Pentium III (Katmai) 549.161 MHz | Bogomips: 2198.21 | Mem: 554/757M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 53.99G Free: 41.03G | Procs: 118 | Uptime: 17 days 52 mins 10 secs | Load: 0.07 0.27 0.30 | Screen: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G100 [Productiva] AGP (rev 02) @ 1600x1200 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 589.86M Out: 775.34M

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*** kleoas is now known as klepas

<Tatey> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4611592451.html <-- seen this?

<siccness> yea saw that yesterday

<siccness> Interesting.

<Tatey> http://portableaudio.engadget.com/2007/01/20/microsoft-windows-vista-ultimate-limited-numbered-signature-edit/ <--- lol

<Phlosten> Tatey: rofl

<Phlosten> lets all chip in and buy one to destroy in a sacrificial burning to be video'd for youtube

<siccness> Bill Gates signed Vista? :|

<siccness> What a joke.

<Tatey> lol

<Tatey> Bill Gates signed copy of SuSe Enterprise :p

<Phlosten> woot, *renders first blender animation*

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<Davo_Dinkum> Is there a quick way to convert 20 PNGs to JPEG?

<Tatey> probably a script out there, somewhere

<Hit3k> uhh

<Hit3k> oh no

<siccness> uh-oh :\

<Hit3k> the script i have converts to png

<Hit3k> uh-oh what?

<Tatey> I think siccness is feeling sick

<siccness> Well, let's just say I made a big mistake.

<Hit3k> a big serious could ruin alot of things mistake?

<Hit3k> or just a big mistake

<siccness> the latter.

<siccness> but the former is still a posibility

<Phlosten> Davo_Dinkum: imagemagick would prob do it for you

<Phlosten> Davo_Dinkum: takes a look at gthumb, i think it has a batch script thing iirc

* Phlosten wonders what siccness has done

<DarkMageZ> he installed NT in a mission critical environment

<siccness> No I accidently deleted some data

<Daemon> Davo_Dinkum: what you want is imagemagick, use that and a bash script

<Daemon> I've converted thousands of images using it ;)

<DarkMageZ> siccness, you have backup's or it wasn't important...

<siccness> It's important, there's a backup but the issue is the location of such a backup :)

<Hit3k> hahaha

<Hit3k> in a pile of something no doubt

<Hit3k> and Davo_Dinkum if you're interested

<Hit3k> http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=192099

<Davo_Dinkum> Perl monks?

<Cyvros> Gaim seems to have a weird tendency to close shortly after launching...

* Cyvros resumes BBLing.

<siccness> Cyvros: My guess is that your settings are setup for you to 'auto-away' after a certain period of inactivity, and then crashing when it goes to it.

<Cyvros> siccness: Ah, okay.

<Cyvros> I'll fix that.

<siccness> Yeah, turn it off.

<siccness> and see how it goes.

<Cyvros> Makes sense after what you said earlier.

<Cyvros> Thanks.

<siccness> np

<Hit3k> I have a suggestion.

<Hit3k> dont use gaim

<Hit3k> its bad for your health

<Davo_Dinkum> lmao

<Davo_Dinkum> Later people.

<siccness> catch mate

<Hit3k> see ya

* Davo_Dinkum waves

<Cyvros> Hit3k: Bah!

<Cyvros> I need my multi-accounts and logs. :D

<Cyvros> siccness: Nope, isn't the auto-idle.

<Cyvros> Gaim launches and goes down within 5 seconds.

<Hit3k> what versions this?

<Cyvros> 2.0.0b6.

<henno> so what is down about v2.0.0b6?

<Cyvros> henno: It looks nice.

<Cyvros> Only I have to launch it twice for some reason. <_<

<Cyvros> And there's something about it crashing when the status is changed.

<henno> I see

<henno> well if nothing else, at least they are using the 'beta' status where it is actually warranted

* henno glares at goggle et al.

<Cyvros> Hehehe.

<henno> google even

<henno> damn beer fingers

<Cyvros> LOL.

<Cyvros> To be honest, though, b6 seems a bit uglier.

<Hit3k> doesnt crash for me

<Hit3k> maybe its ubuntu

<Hit3k> or something you did.. did you compile it?

<Cyvros> Nope.

<Cyvros> Debuntu repos.

<henno> I would be compile it

<henno> but you know.. I'm lazy

<Cyvros> LOL.

<henno> what is so special about v2.0 that a normal person would require anyhow?

<Hit3k> I compiled it

<Hit3k> its fun compiling things

<Cyvros> I know.

<Cyvros> All the lines zooming past.

* Cyvros boots into console now. It looks l337. :P

<Tatey> heh, it's good to see what your system is doing on boot

<Tatey> admittedly, I'm looking forward to usplashy on my distribution

<henno> I have to say I am not a fan of splash screens

<henno> but I can see why they are appealing

<henno> and would never suggest ubuntu does away with them

<Cyvros> I couldn't be bothered turning mine off.

<Cyvros> But I might.

<Tatey> if you really want to see verbose mode, fit f2 :)

<Cyvros> henno: Yes. It covers up what they really don't want to see.

<Cyvros> Tatey: Oooh... thanks.

<Cyvros> I remember one of the Live CDs said to press Esc or Space or something lke that for verbose mode.

<henno> plus it enhances the 'ohh ahh' factor that will get more people to use it

<Cyvros> Didn't work.

<Tatey> Cyvros: well, I'm not entirely sure if that's true for usplash, I've only used gensplash

<Tatey> I'm sure it is though

<Cyvros> Tatey: Okay.

<Cyvros> Thanks, anyway.

<henno> my slackware boxes have people saying "what the hell is that writing shit? Is is broken?"

<Tatey> usplash is great, because it starts immediately

<Hit3k> hahahaha

<Tatey> henno: hah, that reminds me of this guy who posted on youtube "Linux BSOD" that he recorded from a plane flight... the system had crashed, and was rebooting :P

<Hit3k> I like the writting when booting

<henno> Tatey: I remember that

<Hit3k> makes me feel smarter than other people

<henno> it was just a restart

<Hit3k> I like how airlines use linux for their entertainment systems

<henno> well I like vanilla kernel compiles, so it is white writing, framebuffer and tux all the way for me

<Cyvros> Hit3k: They do? Awesome.

<Tatey> Cyvros: yes, AFAIK, alot of them do

<Hit3k> well its a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a windows lisence for each plane?

<Cyvros> I was in Chadstone yesterday and one of those vertical ads (the poster-sized ones) was rebooting XP. It seemed to be stuck on "Windows is shutting down..."

<Cyvros> It was sideways and very, VERY widescreen.

<Cyvros> Tatey: YAY!

<Cyvros> Hit3k: True, true.

<henno> http://www.flickr.com/photos/milliped/116393699/

<Hit3k> haha

<Hit3k> theres a picture of times square in the bios

<Tatey> MS would probably want them to pay for each seat :P

<Cyvros> Tatey: Hehehe.

<Tatey> I'm about to start on an awesome project. Through a series of steps, converting a small Brisbane business to FOSS applications

<Tatey> FOSS applications/OS I should add

<Cyvros> Hang on, is that... Knoppix?

<Tatey> eh?

<Cyvros> I recognise that Tux.

<henno> Cyvros: I doubt it

<henno> the tux?

<Cyvros> henno: Okay.

<Cyvros> Yeah.

<Cyvros> There's Tux at the top.

<Hit3k> lilo has tux...

<henno> dude, that is in the vanilla kernel

<Tatey> Cyvros: that's just a vanilla kernel + framebuffer

<Cyvros> Just above all the text. I'm sure that's Tux...

<Cyvros> Tatey: The what?

<Hit3k> it is tux

<Cyvros> I get that with Wolvix and DSL.

<Hit3k> framebuffer <3

<Hit3k> so what? i get it with slackware and lilo

<Hit3k> Everyones probably going "what the fuck is this a new windows?"

<henno> it is nothing to do with lilo and everything to do with the kernel and framebuffer

<Cyvros> Hit3k: LOL.

<Cyvros> henno: Okay.

<Hit3k> i know but i enable/disable it with lilo

<Cyvros> They'll have a red, green, blue and red penguin.

<henno> well, you aren't enabling or disabling tux

<henno> you are disabling the framebuffer

<Hit3k> mm true

* Cyvros is confused and shall thus leave.

<Tatey> I've never liked LILO. Admittedly, at one stage, you only had a choice of LILO or LILO :P

* henno is a slackware slut

<henno> Tatey: very true, and I have always stuck with what I know

* Hit3k is a slackware slut in training

<siccness> Actually, you're both just sluts.

<Tatey> yea, alot of the lilo users I find have their roots in slack, or still do

<Hit3k> I've seen Gentoo users run Lilo

<henno> well, before I used slack, I used redhat, and even then I still used lilo

<Tatey> that must have been a while ago

<henno> err.. yeah

<henno> been a slacker for a while

<Tatey> I'm an archer :)

<henno> I had that on an old lappy for some time

<henno> a few years ago now though

<Cyvros> BBL.

<Hit3k> Epic Movie looks good

<siccness> No

<henno> I hate writing resumes

<siccness> I hate coding

<henno> depends on the language

<siccness> Just when you think you've done it right, you go to test it to find out you've b0rked it even more.

<henno> you coding perl?

<henno> :]

<siccness> close-ish.

<siccness> php

<henno> I like a bit of php

<henno> perl is my enemy

<Tatey> resumes are easy ^_^

<henno> we don't work well together

<henno> Tatey: they suck

<henno> and take me hours

<siccness> I might have worked out a method around it actually

<siccness> although it could involve about 300 arrays

<siccness> :D

<Hit3k> what ya trying to do?

<henno> is a nested array

<henno> or switches

<henno> or something

<siccness> nested array might be a go-er.

<siccness> but first, i need a beer.

<henno> I hear ya

<Tatey> I actually have a web-based resume

<Tatey> I've never needed it though

* henno waddles to the fridge

<Hit3k> I wrote up my resume last year

<Hit3k> never used it though

<henno> well I need a new job, and each resume has to be very much tailored to the specific role

<henno> == time

<henno> == tehsuck

<Tatey> henno: pretty much

<Tatey> OpenBSD looks very interestig

<siccness> ahh beer

<Hit3k> its pretty secure

<Tatey> I need to read up how it's release cycle works

<Hit3k> well 4.0 was released last year

<Tatey> I need a stable, prod server OS

<henno> I hang with a bunch of obsd peeps

<Hit3k> its a pretty interesting install and you cant get isos off the site

<Tatey> I'll have to chuck it on a box

<Tatey> I'm definitely sticking Ubuntu on the desktop/client PC's. I just don't feel Ubuntu is "stable" enough for no-BS production server

<henno> Tatey agreed

<Tatey> ATM, I'm tossing between Debian and OBSD. I have no experience with BSD though, but from the reading I've done... it's a very secure OS, through it's developer model

<Hit3k> OpenBSD is a secure OS

<Tatey> the server box is going going to be dishing out Apache with My/PostgreSQL and a file server

<Tatey> so, file server will probably be NFS or SAMBA

<Tatey> I'm considering running Apache/SQL in a virtual machine, and DMZ that box.

<Tatey> well, virtual machine

<Hit3k> I might open up an opensource computer cafe when im older

<Hit3k> that'd be sweet

<Tatey> that'd be pretty cool

<Tatey> I'd love to start a network and systems consulting business

<Hit3k> yeah things like that would bring in some money

<henno> Tatey: been there done that

<henno> it is good work actually

<Tatey> well, I'm using this first business as experience

<henno> but I had to buy a house, and it is hard to get a mortgage when you work for yourself

<Hit3k> yeah get a job somewhere else then get the mortage then start your own business

<henno> if only writing a resume was as easy as enjoyable as coding

<henno> Hit3k: exactly why I am writing my resume, got the house, now get a better job :]

<Hit3k> lol

<henno> for i in $jobs; do echo $greatesResumeEver; done

<Tatey> henno: heh, so you basically went around to businesses, and implemented NAS, security, etc?

<henno> if only it was that easy ^^

<henno> Tatey: far less glamourous actually

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, ping?

<Hit3k> $greatestResumeEver = "Hire me or I'll shoot you";

<Tatey> oh

<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, pong

<henno> Tatey: but that is where I wanted to head

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, do you have those photos handy? i was hoping to get a copy :)

<elkbuntu> ooh... let me go harrass mum

<Tatey> yea, that's what I want to do

<merlin-linux> hiho Kamping_Kaiser, how are you?

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, just trying to rememeber what i need to use to open pdfs... E17 doesnt have file asociations it seems

<Tatey> ahh, scite is such a nice editor

<Hit3k> Cream ftw

<Hit3k> but before i used Cream there was SciTE

<Tatey> hmmm, will have to take a look at cream

<Hit3k> it uses VIM

<Hit3k> its like VIMIM

<Tatey> hey, it looks pretty nice

<henno> what is wrong with vim?

<Tatey> not slow?

<Tatey> henno: nothing

<Hit3k> nope

<henno> I always find myself hitting :w+enter in these gui editors and stuffing things up

<Tatey> I guess I'm just not leet

<henno> old habits die very hard

<Tatey> admittedly, I've never really given it a shot

<Tatey> perhaps I should

<henno> maybe, maybe not

<henno> it depends on your needs

<Hit3k> I could never figure out things like Vi or VIM then Cream came along

<Hit3k> Emacs was a breeze

<henno> I spend most of my day editing on remote machines, so it is vim all the way

<Hit3k> ah

<Kamping_Kaiser> i cant find evince in the 'launch with' menu :(

<henno> using a gui would mean having to set up other ssh tunnels and so forth.. vim is just easier for me in that respect

<Kamping_Kaiser> *open with

<siccness> Hey Kamping_Kaiser! :D

<Hit3k> Kamping_Kaiser launch it using a custom command?

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, :D

<siccness> evince :)

<siccness> What's happening big fella?

<Kamping_Kaiser> Hit3k, sure i could, i'm just trying to work out why

<Hit3k> oh

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, just logged into irc after getting home from LCA.

<siccness> Ahh, how was it?

<Kamping_Kaiser> trying to do some research though, and having issues ;)

<siccness> heheh

<Kamping_Kaiser> how cool is this - E17 allows you to have an array of workspaces 12x12

<Hit3k> yeah...

<Hit3k> E17 is pretty nice

<henno> e17 is fun

<Hit3k> its my favourite.

<henno> I wish it had the following it deserves

<henno> and the subsequent developers that come with a following of such size

<Tatey> I'm content with Openbox

<Hit3k> it has great devel libs i would like to experiment with one day

<Kamping_Kaiser> releaerning key combos is quite amusing atm

* Kamping_Kaiser finds "Run Command" menu entry and disapears again

* AlexC is back

<siccness> im gonna shoot someone :|

<siccness> 30mins to solve a problem, forgot the trailing ';'

* AlexC hasn't been at his own computer for a month

<henno> siccness: error_reporting(E_ALL);

<henno> debug that shit

<henno> trailing slashes are php death :]

<henno> missing them that is

<siccness> heh

<siccness> what happens if i forget the trailing ';' at the end of (E_ALL) :P

<henno> did I jsut write slashes? I meant semi-colons

* henno is stuggling with slashes at the moment and has trouble thinking of two things at once

<siccness> heheh

<henno> regex is powerful, but man does it look like ascii vomit

<Hit3k> i always used to forget a semi colon and i'd always get the error telling me about line 98 when line 98 was blank and i'd always be annoyed as hell afterwards

<Hit3k> now i simply misspell variable names

<Hit3k> regex also shits me off.

<henno> my worst habit by far is slipping in and out of single/double quotes (depending on how many beers I have had)

<siccness> LOL

<Hit3k> i never do that.. because im too young to drink.

<henno> I find a drink or two is a great way to get the creative juices flowing

<henno> it is stopping the juice flowing (alcoholic juice that is) that's the trouble

<siccness> Yeah I usually have a drink to help me relax from actually breaking something :P

<siccness> and then yes, you end up continuing to drink

<siccness> and end up in a worse situation :P

<Hit3k> yeah i seem to be out of those creative juices

* Tatey installs cream

* AlexC is intrigued

<siccness> Oh sweeet :D

<siccness> I finally got her to work

<Tatey> how good is MPD

<siccness> mpd > *

<Tatey> who got who on to MPD? :P

* siccness smacks Tatey

<AlexC> WHat is MPD?

<siccness> You try so hard to get me on to things, arch aint happenin :P

<Hit3k> music player daemon

<Hit3k> i might install it, it sounds like fun

<Tatey> Arch should happen

<AlexC> sweet

<siccness> Tatey: Should :)

<siccness> Hit3k: Yeah, it really is fun.

<merlin-linux> evening all

<siccness> Hey Merlin

* Hit3k dangles CD wallet with slackware discs in it in front of siccness

<siccness> Wow, slackware.

<siccness> Hardc0re.

<Hit3k> old school.

<siccness> Heheh.

<Hit3k> wow..

<Hit3k> theres a webinterface for it, I could hook it up to my test server

<Tatey> just restarted X then, and music kpet playing ;)

<Tatey> err, does cream support tabs?

<siccness> Time for some Springsteen :D

<adhoc> hey siccness

<Hit3k> Tatey, no

<siccness> hey adhoc

<adhoc> hi Tatey

<siccness> How are ya mate?

<Tatey> hi adhoc

<adhoc> siccness: good, just settling in for the night

<adhoc> hi Hit3k

<siccness> Nice.

<adhoc> dinner is on the stove and fourlegs fed

<siccness> Whatcha cookin' up?

<adhoc> chicken + other food, lucychili did the honours

<adhoc> rice'n'stuff

<siccness> heh

* adhoc is still tired after 8 hours sleep *today*

<Hit3k> hi adhoc

<adhoc> after six hours sleep last *night*

<adhoc> and a two hour plane ride from 7am

<Hit3k> i gotta get up at 6am tomorrow :(

<siccness> That's pretty poor :P

<siccness> I'm only ever tired if it's under 4hrs sleep

<adhoc> siccness: its been a bloody big week!

<adhoc> we were rolling in the door around midnight and up at 6am ever day

<siccness> yea musta been tough drinking googles money :D

<adhoc> sure was ;)

<siccness> what was the tab at the end?

<adhoc> lots

<siccness> heh

<adhoc> i didn't see it but its in flicker apparently =)

<siccness> flickr?

<adhoc> smells like dinner is nearly cooked =)

<adhoc> yeah

<adhoc> BRB

<Hit3k> k

<Hit3k> this big day out stuff is stupid

<siccness> the flag?

<Hit3k> yeah

<siccness> im pretty disapointed by that

<Hit3k> apparently the bands are gonna perform in front of one but the people are discouraged about bringing their own becuause it might spark racial tension

<adhoc> perhaps they should ban all flags then?

<adhoc> anothe thing, they should makes the events smaller and have more of them ...

<adhoc> make the crowd a more managable size

<Hit3k> The Australian flag was being used as gang colours. It was racism disguised as patriotism and I'm not going to tolerate it," Mr West was quoted as saying in News Ltd papers.

<siccness> They shouldn't result to banning of the Australian flag. It's our own damn flag.

<Hit3k> its not banned its just "unwelcome"

<siccness> Regardless of how crappy the flag looks, it means a hell-of-a-lot to us.

<Hit3k> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21095538-2,00.html

<siccness> Ahh ok

<Hit3k> bdo site is done in php...

<siccness> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21094546-2,00.html <--Even Big Johnny knows what's up.

<Hit3k> yeah

<Hit3k> hes pretty annoyed about it

<siccness> So he should be.

<adhoc> when you manipulate a society, insert fear & loathing in time of war you have backlash

<adhoc> johny has much to answer for

<Davo_Dinkum> Howdy.

<Davo_Dinkum> Is there a way to make gNewSense install without booting in the LiveCD GUI?

<adhoc> not that i know of

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser might know.

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, no theres not

<Davo_Dinkum> :(

<siccness> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :(

* adhoc is going to move desktop back to dapper

<adhoc> gnewsense is driving me nuts =(

<siccness> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> Why?

<adhoc> packages missing or broken =/

<adhoc> very old versions is also not entertaining =/

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah they need to get a repository up and running.

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, what packages?

<adhoc> you also need to be able to build the Repo from gnewsense

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: lots of python related stuff

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, oh

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: everything is there on my lappy running dapper

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, /me shrugs. told brian?

<adhoc> twisted works on lappy, segfaults on dekstop

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: no

<adhoc> got shrugged off last time i tried to report bugs

<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, hes like that

<Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.gnewsense.org/Main/PressRelease20070122

<adhoc> dude you got a name in =)

<adhoc> nice work

<Kamping_Kaiser> :D

<adhoc> now the next thing they need to fix is build the repo on gnewsense

<siccness> Yeah, top work Kampaz. That's cool.

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, mmm :(

<siccness> is the gnewsense logo supposed to be an island with trees on it?

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Look again.

<Kamping_Kaiser> cut him a little slack - hes trying to create a distro

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<Hit3k> bonsai tree?

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders where the gns logo is on a gns install...

<siccness> im not bagging it, serious question, i just couldn't work out what it was.

<Hit3k> mm

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: The green part is a gnu.

<adhoc> siccness: logos are meant to make yo thing ;)

<Hit3k> Linux From Scratch seems like a good idea for something to do tonight

<siccness> Hit3k: See you in about an hours time with "i cant be bothered"

<Hit3k> siccness Last time i tried it I got through the first lot of "passes"

<siccness> Heh cool.

<Hit3k> yeah

<Hit3k> not really it gets boring as hell

<siccness> lol

<Hit3k> but then again I do have that spare box i was going to turn into a server...

<adhoc> siccness: logos are meant to make you think ;)

<siccness> :)

<siccness> I'm not so much a fan of 'thinking' :D

<elkbuntu> plus, it's after 5pm

<adhoc> siccness: oh, here we were thinking you're the closest thing we have to a resident philosopher ;)

<adhoc> hi elkbuntu

<elkbuntu> so siccness is incapable of such ;)

<siccness> elkbuntu: too bloody right :)

<elkbuntu> hi adhoc

<adhoc> elkbuntu: how was your week?

<elkbuntu> adhoc, in a word? tiring

<adhoc> that it was

<adhoc> was it a success?

<elkbuntu> was very cool though

<elkbuntu> yes, i'd say so

<siccness> elkbuntu: how'd the ed/x/kubuntu CDs go?

<elkbuntu> siccness, we ran out of pressed ed, we forgot about the pile yama did for us until we were packing up and found them under things

<siccness> lol

<adhoc> =)

<siccness> yah, reason i ask was there was a bloke on WP saying something about the ubuntu CDs

<elkbuntu> but we were busy the whole time. Kamping_Kaiser was a machine dealing with people :)

<elkbuntu> wtf? theres wp threads about our booth at lca?

<siccness> not about the booth specifically

<siccness> but an lca thread

<elkbuntu> aww

<siccness> which mentioned the booth

<siccness> someone was baggin the crap outta the suse booth

<Hit3k> wp?

<siccness> whirlpool

<Hit3k> ah

<adhoc> ah

<Hit3k> i should know that

* Kamping_Kaiser slaps gimp for being to unlike ms/gnu paint

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: the gimp is good

<adhoc> the layout is more logical

<elkbuntu> siccness, lol, in what way

<siccness> mighta been someone bagging suse/novell talk? apparently they were comparimg themselves to other distros

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, yes it is, if only i could use it to draw a line

<henno> the gimp is better than just good

<adhoc> less tied to the clumsy interfaces of olde

<henno> err

<Hit3k> elkbuntu did you have staring contests with the other distributions?

<henno> Kamping_Kaiser: you can't draw a line in the gimp?

<elkbuntu> i got myself a suse gecko plushie, just to waste their money

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: use inkscape and export to bitmap

<elkbuntu> Hit3k, no, we were not anywhere near any other distro

<Hit3k> damn

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, why didnt you get me one :(

<Hit3k> i want a suse gecjo plushie

<Hit3k> gecko even

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, i just want to draw a line on an image :(

<Kamping_Kaiser> henno, no

<siccness> Apparently the Ge?too booth had a funny emerge chair thing

<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, because i didnt think to :(

<elkbuntu> siccness, lol

<adhoc> siccness: yes they broke it on the first day =/

<siccness> something like: emerge --brute-force chair

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, :(

<siccness> lol

<elkbuntu> siccness, you had to be there to fully appreciate the distro chairs

<Hit3k> which is why they broke it on the first day :p

<adhoc> siccness: thats the one

<adhoc> siccness: i have photos

<Kamping_Kaiser> *came out of openday happy, tired, and trinketless*

<siccness> adhoc: do ya? sweet

<henno> Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight_Line/

<adhoc> ;)

<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, the suse plushie was all i secured

<Hit3k> henno, LOL!

<adhoc> there was a young lad, who'd barely seen a razor there, trying to sell on on gentoo

<adhoc> siccness: i told him that i would install gentoo,

<adhoc> siccness: when they ported it to the vax

<henno> fyi my dog is named Kaiser.. although he has never been Kamping

<siccness> not marc alec was it?

<cps> siccness: he was probably too busy playing DDR

<adhoc> siccness: long haired, skinny kid wearing lotsa green

<siccness> lol

<siccness> i dunno

<siccness> only young bloke i can think of in ge?too-au is marc

<Hit3k> that was me... not really.

<adhoc> klepas: hey do you know the name of the young guy that put together the gentoo "lounges" ?

<Hit3k> i wouldnt try to sell gentoo i would try and sell slackware to the gentoovians

<cps> adhoc: Benjamin

<adhoc> yeah thats it

<cps> aka AppleMan1234

<siccness> Hahaha appleman

<adhoc> ah

<adhoc> learn something every day ;)

<adhoc> so i should mosy over to #gentoo and ask him?

<klepas> adhoc: could it have been Mark Alex :o)

<siccness> #gentoo-au

<siccness> is your best bet

<adhoc> ah ok

<Davo_Dinkum> I could stay for at least 3 hours installing gNewSense

<Davo_Dinkum> How likely is it that I could put more ram then the maximum allows into a laptop?

<Kamping_Kaiser> 0

<siccness> Uhh? 0.

<Hit3k> ^-- what they said

<siccness> Lemme explain to you the concept of maximum :P

<Davo_Dinkum> 2gb in a laptop that has a max of 1gb, for example.

<henno> if it can be done, the 1gb was not the maximm

<Davo_Dinkum> The manufacturer's 'maximum'.

<Hit3k> hmm

<henno> if you are lucky, there may have only been 512 sticks available at the time

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah that's what I'm hoping.

<henno> if it is a BIOS limitation, you are stuffed

<siccness> I thought it was a board limitation?

<Davo_Dinkum> BIOS hacking!

<henno> yeah that too

* Davo_Dinkum has no idea how to reverse engineer a BIOS

<henno> I don't know of too many boards with a 1GB limit though

<siccness> laptop? No idea. I have a couple of /older/ motherboards here that have a 1GB limit though.

<siccness> PC motherboards that is/.

<Davo_Dinkum> It's a Pentium 3 mobile 933Mhz, if that gives you an idea of how old it is.

<Fudge> hey ya FudgeBSD

<Fudge> :P hi guys

<Hit3k> hmm how am i gonna draw this mouth thing... I cant use GIMP that would be cheating Im trying to do it all in C++ using QCanvas... any suggestions?

<henno> well, assuming you can still get ram for it, I am assuming the laptop is not that old

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3k: What are you drawing?

<Hit3k> just a round face with round eyes but i want it to have a smiling mouth..

<henno> why paint your house with a toothpick, just because you think using a roller is cheating?

<siccness> ^

<Hit3k> mm you have a point there

<Davo_Dinkum> I was hoping you were drawing manga

<henno> if it is boredom, experimentation, C++ practice, then go right ahead

<henno> but cheating? don't bother

<klepas> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/47159448/ <-- i've converted =S

<Hit3k> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/47083937/ <--- I win.

<siccness> So much music, so little I want to listen to :|

<Davo_Dinkum> I never liked that gnome foot logo.

<klepas> the tango feet?

<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: did you see the gnome t-shirt this year?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah with the separate toes.

<Davo_Dinkum> adhoc: No, got a pic?

<adhoc> with the platypus and the other li'l animal?

<Hit3k> I want a Gnome Tshirt :O

<Davo_Dinkum> I want a gnu t-shirt.

<siccness> I want a t-shirt.

<Hit3k> The only reason i would go to a convention/exebition is the cool stuff you can get

<klepas> the gnome tees were great this year

<klepas> for once they matched the ordinary conf tees :P

<klepas> sorry

<klepas> rather, for once the conf tshirts were as good as the gnome tees

<klepas> <3 the gnome miniconf tees :)

<Davo_Dinkum> Hmm gNewSense has live booted OK, except the gnome panels are nowhere to be seen,

<Fudge> hey, whats a good x system that looks similar to a macosx theme?

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, move the mouse, they might be off the top of the screen

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm so sick of people trying to make their GUI look like OS X.

<Davo_Dinkum> OS X sucks.

<Hit3k> Davo_Dinkum I agree I really do agree

<Fudge> its for my wife coz she uses it and i want her to use linux too

<Davo_Dinkum> Fudge: There was a good article on why you shouldn't make one OS look like another OS

<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: that and windows looks

<Davo_Dinkum> Pity I can't find it.

<Fudge> its called encouragement

<cps> Fudge: trying to emulate the look will probably just make her experience suck

<Fudge> well thats a good point

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Have you seen XPde?

<siccness> yes

<Fudge> i dont use gui's anyway

<Fudge> accept for this windows shit

<Davo_Dinkum> Fudge: If you make it look like windows, then she will expect it to act exactly like windows, and will crack it when it doesn't.

<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: no i don't have photos, but theres bound to be some on peoples blogs =)

<Davo_Dinkum> Kamping_Kaiser: Possibly, the resolution is odd (1152 x 864 instead of 1280 x 1024)

<Davo_Dinkum> Nope, no panels anywhere.

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, over 1.5k images on flicker....

* adhoc needs to get a flickr acount

* Kamping_Kaiser resists

<Hit3k> i have a flickr account but dont use it

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: you got a digicam?

<adhoc> if you have a google account, does that now work with flickr?

<Davo_Dinkum> adhoc: WTF? Have google bought out flickr as well?

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, no (family has one i use now and then)

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, no, its owned by yahoo

<Davo_Dinkum> So how does google fit into this?

* Kamping_Kaiser shrug

<Fudge> :)

<adhoc> no it looks like flickr is part of yahoo

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

* Fudge waves

* siccness shakes his head

<adhoc> my oops

<siccness> lol

<adhoc> is there a google equivalent of flickr?

<Davo_Dinkum> adhoc: Yeah picasa online or something

<Hit3k> shudder

<adhoc> picasa is for windows =/

<purserj> didn't they release it for linux with a custom wine wrapper?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah it's crap. It uses folders to organise photos.

<siccness> purserj: yes

<siccness> http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html

<adhoc> hi Hobbsee

* adhoc starts downloading

<adhoc> laaaaaggg

* adhoc goes to bed then ..

<siccness> lol

<Hit3k> hhaa

<siccness> I need to re-code this whole damn thing :|

<Hobbsee> hey adhoc!

<adhoc> Hobbsee: how you been

<Hobbsee> adhoc: good - at work

* adhoc kicks off ubuntu and debian deb-mirror

<adhoc> Hobbsee: so thats why we didn't see you at LCA ?

<Hit3k> siccness what are you coding anyway?

<siccness> a homework organiser

<Hit3k> ohh

<Tatey> http://fileshere.net/ prototype ^_^

<Hit3k> and all i did last week was a lousy rss reader and a user signup system for a lan

<siccness> Did you make those images, Tatey?

<Tatey> they're tango icons

<Hobbsee> adhoc: yeah. and transport

<siccness> Tatey: Looks good.

<Tatey> cheers

<Hit3k> seems very web2.0

<Tatey> now, to get the actual php scripts functioning

<Hit3k> it could also come in handy..

<siccness> Tatey: Hope she becomes popular. :)

* Hit3k bookmarks

<Tatey> cheers siccness

<siccness> I've already bookmarked.

<Tatey> it's not ready for use yet, will hopefully have it up tommorrow

<siccness> Slow down big-fella. :)

<siccness> Let me get my things done first :P

<Hit3k> if you need help im decent at php its been a while though...

<Tatey> thanks Hit3k :)

<adhoc> Hobbsee: yeah i forgot about the distance/comute thing

<Tatey> I'll let you know if I run into any troubles

<Hobbsee> adhoc: only takes >1.5 hours, you know... :P

<klepas> hey Tatey :)

<Tatey> hi klepas

<adhoc> Hobbsee: was g good to catch up with you on the sunday

<Hobbsee> adhoc: indeed :)

<Hobbsee> adhoc: that was fun :)

<klepas> how's it going Tatey ?

<Tatey> good mate, how was LCA?

<adhoc> we prolly won't be back in sydney for some time =/

* adhoc really goes to bed

<adhoc> night all

* henno follows suit

<klepas> Tatey: really quite nice, thx

<Tatey> nice

<klepas> tell you more in a sec; phone

<Hit3k> hmm

<Hit3k> Trolltech didnt go to lca did they?

<klepas> they did :)

<Tatey> did they troll?

<klepas> no :)

<Hit3k> klepas was the greenphone present at this?

<klepas> just pimp their new phone

<Tatey> hah, walk over to the Gimp camp. USE Qt YOU NUBS!

<klepas> yep

<siccness> lol

<klepas> haha

<Hit3k> Tatey I prefer Qt over GTK

<klepas> Hit3k: i don't

<Tatey> nothing wrong with that Hit3k

<Hit3k> I want to touch a greenphone

* Kamping_Kaiser should visit joel and mess with the olpc

<Hit3k> can someone explain an internet contract to me? if you go over your limit of downloads and they slow your net down do they give you back your bandwidth on the day the month ENDs or the day after?

<Kamping_Kaiser> first day of new month

<siccness> depends

<siccness> some isps go buy the date you started

<siccness> so you could be uncapped at the 14th

<MistaED3> did they show off kde4 at all?

<Hit3k> would have been good if they had

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i asumed month=billing period

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, fair enough. :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<MistaED3> i want the hyped up vapourware running on my desktop NOW :)

<Hit3k> well if i ping out in 32 minutes and my internet is going fast again i'll know my answer

<Kamping_Kaiser> Hit3k, its not usually to the second....

<Hit3k> damn

<Hit3k> oh well if i ping out tomoorw

<Kamping_Kaiser> internode roll their customers over between 1am and 6am, depending on their mood+customer

<Hit3k> tomorrow rather

<siccness> I shouldn't have had that last drink, I can't code now :(

<Hit3k> hahaha

<Kamping_Kaiser> ok. afk unless pingged, or the convo is suitably exciting

<siccness> This is annoying. Now I need another damn database table :|

<Cyvros> siccness: Muahaha!

* Cyvros falls asleep.

<siccness> lol

<Cyvros> How're you doin', siccness?

<siccness> Could be better, you?

<Cyvros> I can't feel my legs.

<Cyvros> They sleep... like a new-born child, only they don't cry.

<Cyvros> And they don't poop.

<Cyvros> They're legs. How can they poop?

* Cyvros falls asleep.

<Hit3k> your toes could fall off?

<Cyvros> And they poop through the joints?

<Hit3k> sure why not?

* Cyvros yawns and destroys a minor country in Eastern Europe.

<Cyvros> Maybe if they were on hinges...

* Cyvros scratches his chin.

<Hit3k> you cant poop through your chin!!

<Cyvros> I know.

<Cyvros> I tried once.

* Cyvros eats some dark matter.

<Cyvros> It tastes like... chicken.

<Hit3k> Organic chicken?

<Hit3k> or the ones with steroids

<Cyvros> Dark chicken.

<Hit3k> ah.. steroid chicken

<Cyvros> I suppose so.

<Cyvros> Question for anyone who's around - what's your favourite WM? And also what's your favourite distro?

<Hit3k> E17 and Slackware

<siccness> OpenBox and Ge?too

<Hit3k> im not on E17 though cause i have to compilez itz.

<MatthewV> Cyvros, you're asking in a ubuntu channel...

<Cyvros> MatthewV: True.

<MatthewV> Gnome or E17 - prob ubuntu atm

<Cyvros> I'm tired and slightly bored. :D

<Cyvros> Ah, okay.

<Cyvros> Just thought I'd ask.

* Cyvros returns to whittling pencils into crisps.

<MatthewV> Cyvros, dont worry - ask away :)

<Cyvros> MatthewV: Thank you.

* Cyvros cackles.

<Hit3k> whats everyone favourite genre of moozic

<Cyvros> I'm using the burger smiley theme in Gaim. :D

<Cyvros> Classical.

<MatthewV> ditto

<MatthewV> sometimes

<Cyvros> Or, if it's muzak, mildly cheesy. With a hint of synth.

<Hit3k> nope moozic.

<Cyvros> Okay. Classical.

<Cyvros> And jazz. Big band stuff.

* Cyvros hums a little Glenn Miller.

<siccness> 70s/80s

<Cyvros> Is there an xkcd desk calendar? I really, really need one.

<Hit3k> I cant stand 80s music unless its ACDC

* Cyvros considers buying an xkcd shirt.

* Cyvros twitches.

<siccness> dude..

<siccness> ACDC sucked in the 80s

<Hit3k> really? what decade am i thinking of then?

<siccness> 70s maybe?

<Hit3k> probably

<siccness> I wonder if ACDC are still the loudest band

<Davo_Dinkum> Later guys.

<siccness> Catch mate

<Hit3k> does centos use initab or something

<erland1> Hello?

<Hit3k> hello world!

<erland1> Hi, I was wondering if anyone thinks there is any issue with installing the Easy Ubuntu packages...?

<siccness> ethically?

<Hit3k> If i told you what i thought I'd be in a world of legal trouble.

<erland1> not so much, more like is there anything dodgy in there, esp. if I add the Medibuntu repository

<siccness> No idea, sorry.

<erland1> Well, to put it another way, is it the best way to enable playing MP3 format and having MS fonts, etc?

<Cyvros> erland1: Worked fine for me.

<Kamping_Kaiser> theres no 'best way' to polute a system with msfonts :P

<Cyvros> Kamping_Kaiser: LOL.

<siccness> BURBED :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> gnight all :)

<siccness> s/burned/

<Cyvros> Kamping_Kaiser: G'nite.

<siccness> bah

<siccness> nite mate

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<Hit3k> adios

<Cyvros> Basically, what I did was make a .fonts directory in my home folder and shift all of my fonts in C:\WINDOWS\Fonts over there.

<Cyvros> erland1: However, I would recommend looking through the Ubuntu wiki, particularly at the Restricted Formats section.

<erland1> Yes, I just read that, but it seems the Easy Ubuntu path combines several useful bits and pieces in one...?

<Cyvros> erland1: It does. :)

<Cyvros> I just like my terminal. :D

<erland1> Alrighty, well Iĺl give it a shot and see how I go. Thanks.

<Cyvros> erland1: Hope I helped.

* Cyvros falls asleep again.

<Tatey> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Install_Ubuntu

<siccness> lol

<Cyvros> LOL.

<Cyvros> What the hell is my time zone?

<erland1> Has anyone installed Compiz on Ubuntu?

<Cyvros> erland1: Er... I tried.

<Cyvros> I couldn't get it to work.

<Cyvros> I gave up after a while.

<erland1> Problem with your graphics card or the software?

* Cyvros probably isn't the best person to help... in anything.

<Cyvros> erland1: Problem with my method, methinks. :D

<erland1> OK, maybe I´ll try asking on the mailing list... Is anyone else around?

<Cyvros> Should be.

<Cyvros> I think.

* siccness struggles to think clearly

<erland1> Or, is Beryl better?

<Hit3k> #ubuntu-xgl

<erland1> Oh, alright.

<Tatey> hi guys :)

<siccness> Sorry but no one here at the moment uses such :)

<Hit3k> hi Tatey

<Cyvros> siccness: I need no such eye candy!

* Cyvros schnuggles up to his Openbox.

<siccness> I need to clear my head for awhile. I'm off to bed, back in 3hrs or so.

<Hit3k> k

<Hit3k> peace

<Cyvros> G'nite, siccness.

<Cyvros> http://xkcd.com/c134.html

<Hit3k> god damn arch cd isnt working

<Cyvros> Hit3k: Is Arch good?

<Tatey> haha

<Tatey> Cyvros: very :)

<Hit3k> I dont know

<Cyvros> I keep seeing "My favourite distro is Arch."

<Hit3k> Im trying to set it up on my server

<Cyvros> Ah.

<Cyvros> So, which should I get? Normal or base?

<Tatey> Hit3k: are you using the Voodoo 8 Alpha CD's?

<Cyvros> I was trying to decide the other day.

<Hit3k> no

<Hit3k> i dont know what version im using

<Tatey> Cyvros: all you need is the base CD, and use the Voodoo 8 Alpha CD's

<Tatey> I'll grab you a link :)

<Hit3k> I need to find the isos

<Cyvros> Tatey: Okay, thanks.

<Cyvros> So... Voodoo 8 base?

<Tatey> ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/0.8/i686

<Tatey> the base will give you a minimal CLI install

<Cyvros> Tatey: Okay.

<Tatey> from there, you install gnome and xorg, or whatever you want. It's actually quite easy, and I'm more than happy to help you out

<Cyvros> I might install it.

<Cyvros> Tatey: Thanks.

<Tatey> no worries

<Hit3k> I only want to set up a simply LAMP server

<Cyvros> I assume there's also some #arch channel or some such.

<Tatey> Hit3k: I wouldn't use Arch for a prod server

<Tatey> Cyvros: #archlinux

<Hit3k> its not a prod server

<Hit3k> its a testing server

<Tatey> ahh, my bad :0

<Tatey> :) even

<Cyvros> Tatey: Thanks.

<Hit3k> I cant remember whether i deleted it or now

<Hit3k> damnit i deleted it

* Cyvros is excited.

<Cyvros> Only 2 more unread in my Inbox!

<Hit3k> haha

<Cyvros> YAY! All read!

<Cyvros> Except my 377 spam messages.

<Hit3k> mm

<Hit3k> just put debian on till tomorrow when i have my fast net back

<klepas> whoever suggested ncmpc to me when i turned it down: i was totally wrong :)

<klepas> <3 it :)

<Cyvros> Tatey: Does Arch come with aptitude?

<klepas> Cyvros: pacman..?

<Cyvros> Or does it use something else... I've heard of pacman.

<Cyvros> Ah, beat me to it.

<Tatey> Cyvros: no, Arch uses it's own package manager. It's completely independant and separate to Ubuntu/Debian and apt-get

<Hit3k> arch is slackware based iirc so.. no apt =)

<Cyvros> klepas, Hit3k, Tatey: Thanks.

<Tatey> Arch is actually crux based :)

<Cyvros> Tatey: Ah.

<Hit3k> hmm

<Cyvros> Crux?

* Cyvros has so much to learn.

<Hit3k> so which is slack based? ZenWalk?

<Tatey> though, it resembles slackware rather closely, because of it's bsd-style init's

<Tatey> Crux is a really old, minimal distro

<Hit3k> slackware is still the oldest.

<Tatey> Arch was written completely from the ground-up, but the original author was inpsired by Crux

<klepas> Tatey: how is arch for out-of-the-box laptop support? ;)

<Cyvros> Tatey: Ah.

<klepas> (gentoo is annoying the hell out me in that regard)

<Hit3k> i never liked gentoo on my laptop

<Tatey> klepas: out of the box? Arch isn't out of the box for anything. At any rate, if you're referring to the difficultness of wireless on your laptop it's as easy as "# pacman -S gnome-network-manager" and you're done :P

<klepas> nah, i don't need a network manager

<Cyvros> Tatey: So pacman -S is basically the equivalent of apt-get install?

<Tatey> Cyvros: more or less

<klepas> i meant in regards to drivers and such

<Tatey> klepas: well, Arch is currently using the 2.6.19 kernel, and will be moving to 2.6.20 shortly

<klepas> for wifi cards, closing the laptop and opening it again to find a fresh screen and a re-enabled video card frame-buffer

<Tatey> klepas: I can't talk from experience, I don't use Arch on a laptop. Your best bet would be to look around the forums, or give it a shot. It's usually got the latest version of everything

<klepas> Linux tross 2.6.19 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jan 20 02:35:18 EST 2007 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

<Hit3k> so.. Tatey it keeps its kernels uptodate with the latest stable one?

<Tatey> Hit3k: more or less, Arch uses a "rolling-release" cycle

<Cyvros> Tatey: That's good to know.

<Tatey> therefore, there aren't any actual stable branches such as in Debian. It's always "current"

<Cyvros> Nice of it to be small, too.

<klepas> Tatey: pm

<Tatey> that's why it's very well suited to a desktop, and not a production server

<Tatey> you've always got the latest version of everything, basically

<klepas> X/win 17

<klepas> d'oh :)

<Tatey> X/win 17?

<Tatey> with the release CD's, they're a snapshot of "current" at a point in time. The versions themselves no way reflect the distribution. If someone instaled of a 0.7 CD or off a 0.8 CD, as soon as they sync'd and upgraded, they'd be identical installs

<Hit3k> whoa this version of debian is really outdated

<Hit3k> 2.4.27

* Cyvros considers becoming Spinach or Aldor again.

<Lathiat> Hit3k: boot with 'linux26'

<Hit3k> Lathiat I dont care about the kernel

<Hit3k> im merely commenting about how old my cds are

<Tatey> at any rate, I've hi-jacked this channel enough. If you've got more Arch questions, PM me or join #archlinux. This is an Ubuntu channel afterall :)

<Hit3k> i prefer to call it an offtopic channel

<Cyvros> Tatey: LOL.

<Cyvros> </ot>

<Hit3k> so.. how about medibuntu

<Tatey> #sometimesubuntu? :P

<siccness> Discussion of 'arch' linux is prohibited after midnight.

<Tatey> siccness is just jealous more people like Arch :p

<Hit3k> ok

<siccness> :)

<Hit3k> so how about them gentoovians

<siccness> No one likes arch

<siccness> Arch is a disgrace.

<Tatey> you're a disgrace

<siccness> Arch is worse than SuSE :P

<siccness> lol

<Cyvros> #mostlybuntu

<siccness> #barely-ever-ubuntu-au

<siccness> would be more accurate.

<Cyvros> Touche'.

<Cyvros> irc://irc.freenode.net/#stuff

<Hit3k> ok for the first time ever im quitting freenode for sleep

<siccness> Pretty weak.

<Hit3k> yeah well

<siccness> lol ;)

<siccness> Night mate.

<Hit3k> if i ping out i'll end up as my non alt nick

<Hit3k> peace

<Cyvros> G'nite, all.

* siccness whistles

<elkbuntu> wooooonderful. i missed a job opportunity due to being in Sydney last week :-/

<purserj> bugger

<elkbuntu> was selling proprietry software, but hell.. that pays bills at least

<elkbuntu> speaking of, off to re-register car

<TheMuso> elkbuntu: I am of the same opinion atm. I'll take what I can get.

*** _greenie_ is now known as _greenie

<Phlosten> morning all

<TheMuso> Hey Phlosten

<Phlosten> anyone seen 'The Holiday',

<Changlinn> nup

<Kamping_Kaiser> if you mount a partition/bind a directory with noexec, does taht mean you cant open directories, or just not execute files?

<TheMuso> Kamping_Kaiser: I think it only means you can't execute scripts/binaries.

<TheMuso> Thats what has happened for me in the past anyway.

<yama> I'm pretty sure that's right

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