<X3N> tsmithe: found how to restore the menus for admin and preferences

<X3N> found out/worked out

<chaddy> hmm, Feisty upgrade failed messily, hope I have better luck with the daily

<X3N> my last feisty upgrade fixed a lot of things for me

<X3N> like booting the kernel heh

<badgerman> Hi

<oldmanstan> popey: you made the docs screencasts right?

<GazzaK> the live cd won't install on this rubbish lapdog, so I had to download the alt cd for a text mode install

<popey> oldmanstan: yes

<Seeker`> hi

<GazzaK> hi popey & Seeker`

<popey> moo

<DaveMorris> Morning all

<tsurc> Morning

<DaveMorris> don't suppose you have dual screens and wanna test something for me

<DaveMorris> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/80433

<tsurc> na sorry, got a nvidea card at home with dsub and dvi output but I've never had any experience with dual screens

<tsurc> would like to try at some time though when I get enough time... (and enough desk space)

<DaveMorris> are there any other applications which minimize to the system tray (It could be the system trays fault)

<Seeker`> hmm

<Seeker`> Emerald isn't working

<snail> GazzaK: was it you i discussed the google thing with?

<GazzaK> snail, what google thing? the job?

<snail> GazzaK: no the event last night

<snail> http://www.red-bean.com/ospowiki/LondonOpenSourceJam01

<GazzaK> oh, yes, did ya get freebies :-))))

<GazzaK> Google Pens - wooooooo

<snail> GazzaK: one all packaged up and ready to be posted when I next walk past our reception

<GazzaK> awwww, thanks snail

<GazzaK> was it a good day out?

<snail> GazzaK: it was an evening. i made the mistake of drinking too many energy drinks, so i'm feeling a little odd this morning

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> bzzzzz

<GazzaK> :-)

<snail> GazzaK: transport was hell, of course.

<GazzaK> yeah, I heard

<snail> a blog post will follow

<GazzaK> I want test drive unlimited for the 360, but want it now, and don't want to pay more than the £29 it'd cost me from amazon, ideas?

<snail> GazzaK: order it and do some open source hacking bewteen now and when it arrives?

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> be back soon, got to get this lapdog on the interweb

<DaveMorris> my uni is useless

<DaveMorris> they don't have redundant Internet aceess, so it keeps on going down every 5 mins till they get a new part

<tsurc> know anything about cisco 877 routers?

<tsurc> No.. didn't think so. Worth a stab in the dark, the one we have here is playing up.

<tsurc> And I can't seem to convince my boss to send me on a course. cheep-skate

<romank> wooo, install is almost done

<romank> !xchatsysinfo

<ubotu> http://dev.realistanew.com/xchat/sysinfo.py

<apokryphos> ubotu: forget xchatsysinfo

<ubotu> I'll remember that, apokryphos

<romank> oops

<GazzaK> apokryphos, don't we like /sysinfo now?

<GazzaK> sorry that was me earlier called romank

<apokryphos> tut tut 8)

<apokryphos> I presume that's an xchat thing; nothing wrong I know about it

<GazzaK> I was setting up a machine for a guy here at work

<GazzaK> but you deleted !xchatsysinfo ?

<apokryphos> because the file doesn't exist

<apokryphos> and it had no accompanying text :P

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> it did, at one point

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<popey> quiet day today :)

<GazzaK> trolls are about on #ubuntu-ops & #ubuntu-offtopic

<GazzaK> it's fun watching whats going on

<GazzaK> built that laptop popey

<GazzaK> had to use a alt cd, as it had like 192Mb ram

<popey> ahh

<GazzaK> install was otherwise good, and the machine works okay, given it a few more years of life

<X3N_> 192Mb of ram is loads

<GazzaK> yeah, but not for the live cd install

<X3N_> I think it would be much better if they seperated out the live cd bit and the installer

<X3N_> so you could boot to the installer

<X3N_> you don't need all that junk running for just installing

<gord> that would be what the alternate cd is for?

<X3N_> sort of

<gord> fun, apt has decided that it wants to remove 68 packages for no reason

<DaveMorris> finally

<DaveMorris> university campus with a single point of failure for the Internet connection

<Seeker`> DaveMorris: what is the point of failure?

<DaveMorris> the box connecting us to Jannet

<DaveMorris> *JANET

<DaveMorris> "... we have determined that a piece of equipment controlling our Internet access has a fault that requires a part replacement ..."

<gord> send an e-mail back stating "... we the people have determined that our it department must be run by monkeys that can't even come up with a simple backup system, please replace those monkeys with people post haste!"

<Seeker`> DaveMorris: what needs to be replaced?

<DaveMorris> don't know for sure, but Internet was back for a few mins at a time, so it wasn't the actual connection

<DaveMorris> gord, its very hard to dismiss people in universities

<snail> GazzaK: blogged at: http://involve.jisc.ac.uk/wpmu/oss-watch/2007/01/19/google-open-source-jam-01/

<snail> heh manchester unit are still borked after bad weather yesterday: http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/serviceinfo/default.htm?motdid=915&requestView=fullview

<DaveMorris> doesn't look like that was incompetence though

<oldmanstan> popey: great job on the screencasts then, they're really great, keep up the good work!

<popey> thanks!

<popey> DaveMorris: was going to say something to you earlier

<popey> what was it? :)

<popey> ah yes, that gaim bug, why dont you use twinview?

<DaveMorris> was it about one of my posts?

<DaveMorris> I like to keep the content on the 2nd screen the same as I change desktops on the 1st screen

<popey> ahh

<DaveMorris> keep irc, and other communications, terminals doing tail in view as I do my work

<DaveMorris> I have twinview at home, but at work I prefer this setup

<DaveMorris> ubotu seems to be struggling

<snail> DaveMorris: indeed

<snail> reported on #ubuntu-bots

<DaveMorris> yeah I was gonna ask if we need to report it somewhere

<snail> Seeker`: indeed, but none the less, that is the channel to report it in yes?

<Seeker`> i dunno

<tsurc> any one had any experience of vm's?

<tsurc> sugest good reading, software, etc (qemu,xen,VMWare)?.

<DaveMorris> I'm using Xen at home for my servers

<DaveMorris> seems to work well, not compared it to any others though

<tsurc> easy install for dapper or edgy?

<DaveMorris> I used dapper, was fairly straightforwered, I did all mine from the cli but you can install a gui for it

<DaveMorris> I have the webpages I followed bookmarked at home

<tsurc> cool, could you send me the links

<DaveMorris> yeah, are you on here all the time or did you want me to mail them to you?

<tsurc> mail please, I'm home tonight... i think. but not over the weekend. Got a trip to see my little nephew in Ryton tyne&weer

<tsurc> alistair@skegnessgrammar.org

<DaveMorris> yeah I'll try and do it if I get time after work before the pub

<DaveMorris> I got the P :)

<DaveMorris> pm

<DaveMorris> I've just mailed you briefly as well

<tsurc> ah, public email anyways

<tsurc> loud and clear

<DaveMorris> also means I have your address saved as well :)

<DaveMorris> what I like about xen is it works well on old tech as well

<DaveMorris> I've got 3 VM running on a 1.4Ghz machine with 768MB ram, mine aren't under a huge load but they run fine

<tsurc> all I want to do is testing stuff

<tsurc> like edubuntu/ltsp stuff

<DaveMorris> ltsp is quite nice, I've played with that before

<tsurc> is it possible to pxe boot a vm

<DaveMorris> as in your client downloads an image and you run the image

<gord> if you only want to test stuff then you might want to just use something simpler like qemu tsurc

<DaveMorris> one of the lectures in the uni was talking about doing that with ubuntu/Mac OSX, Win XP, with a nice menu to enable you to boot to the OS you want

<tsurc> using ltsp4.2 on 120+ clients. but I'd really like to test out feisty edubuntu

<tsurc> in fact I could tur my lapdog into a client.. just means I'v got to be sat down stairs with my switch.

<DaveMorris> *wishes he had used linux at school

<tsurc> you guys about later?

<DaveMorris> I'm going to the pub at 4:30-5

<tsurc> I had old macs when I was at school on the other side of the fence.

<jamesbrose> Hello all

<tsurc> don't blame you

<tsurc> hi

<DaveMorris> I used Windows 95/98

<tsurc> claris works..... urgh :P

<tsurc> only had a few 95's

<tsurc> left in 98.

<DaveMorris> they where easy to 'hack' unplug the network cable, log in as root, plug the network cable back in and you had admin rights

<tsurc> when I went to college. full of 98 machines... with a few 3.1's would you believe!

<DaveMorris> your showing your age :P

<tsurc> hey.... I'm only 24... and the wife is 22.

<tsurc> !

<jamesbrose> We've got RM machines at mine..

<DaveMorris> I'm 24 in March :)

<tsurc> burn the witch!

<tsurc> 20th?

<DaveMorris> nope, 5th

<tsurc> Sister in law 16th, wife 18th, mine 20th and my mate katie's is on the 23rd. Expensive month is march

<DaveMorris> Mine, Great Uncle, Grandfather, Mother, Cousin + Mothers day (I think) for me

<tsurc> Been married for nearly 5 years too. Now that WAS a baptism of fire!

<tsurc> Wouldn't want to be your bank manager!

<tsurc> jamesbrose: RM sent some sales reps round to ours before christmas.

<jamesbrose> They are a nightmare..

<tsurc> We'd been talking to them about the linux support on the KS3 OnScreen Assesments.

<jamesbrose> Servers all ways going down...Home login problems..

<tsurc> they wouldn't give us the installer as they said we could only have it if we ran RHEL. Then they sent some guys round to have a chat. Soon when running when they found out what we do here and that they wouldn't get a sale.

<tsurc> whent

<DaveMorris> RHEL?

<tsurc> Red Hat Enterprise Linux

<DaveMorris> so many acroynms

<tsurc> Cent OS is the repackaged free equiv'

<DaveMorris> how well does LTSP run then with heavy applications like OOo

<tsurc> acroyms are great... esp' when you guess what they mean

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<tsurc> fine if you have your server sizing right.

<DaveMorris> one of my colleagues is sceptical about using ltsp with Eclipse, since its a bit heavy etc

<tsurc> we have 3 HP DL140's running 120+ clients 8G in each and dual * dual core Zeons 2G

<tsurc> sometimes it's a little laggy, but useable. Think its mainly down to the netgear shite switches we have running the shop.

<tsurc> and old cabling

<tsurc> trying to get my boss to buy a certifier/tester, so I can check stuff like that. but we run a 800+ user school on 7k a year it spend.

<tsurc> ltsp 5 is much better than the old ways of doing things

<DaveMorris> thats quite a small budget

<tsurc> your telling me !

<DaveMorris> my desktop here cost over 1k

<tsurc> we got 15k last year as a special. we got a shed load of winterms that we hacked to work with ltsp.

<tsurc> now that WAS a pain in the ass

<stdin> anyone know a gui for ip6tables ?

<DaveMorris> you accept old PC's from parents?

<tsurc> yup, anything we can get our hands on. We just got some IBM netvistas from a local Solicitors offices. No hdd's and they don't boot pxe/etherboot. not even with a pxe netcard in.

<DaveMorris> ouch

<tsurc> so I'm looking into either ripping the mem/cpu/psu out (read: anything salvageable) or getting some hdds to put http://www.toms.net/rb/ on then boot them pxe that way.

<DaveMorris> do you get a budget for power in your place?

<tsurc> look at the time.... gtg might be back later

<tsurc> no thats taken care off.

<DaveMorris> wondering if you could argue mini-itx boxes due to lower power costs

<tsurc> We run Wyse winterms and dells mainly. all internals that are not required are unpluged any way so power is next to nothing

<tsurc> the wyse terms run on 5v only !

<DaveMorris> ah

<tsurc> plus low power 17" TFT's

<tsurc> eco freindly school appartently. Depends where you look though!

<DaveMorris> you prob have the heating up higher now though

<tsurc> not in the server room or my office I can tell you!

<tsurc> no air con, and the kids uniform include blazers so they turn the heating down anyway.

<tsurc> cheep skates. The anoying thing is I can't see where all the savings go too!

<tsurc> GTG late picking the missus up. Laterz

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<frederific> evd

<frederific> *evenin

<jamesbrose> Evening frederific

<frederific> hi

<medders> hi

<medders> does anyone know how i'd get xchat to automagically identify with NickServ when I connect?

<jamesbrose> Yeah

<jamesbrose> medders, Network list, edit, Nickserv password :)

<medders> jamesbrose: I can't find that I'm afraid, i'm on the xchat-gnome version

<medders> not sure if it's different

<jamesbrose> Xchat (at the top)..

<jamesbrose> Then Click network list

<jamesbrose> find it?

<medders> nope, sorry

<medders> i've got the list of channels and networks on the left

<dsas> medders: What are you trying to do? (I'm running xchat-gnome too)

<medders> dsas: Just to get it to speak to NickServ when I log on

<medders> I can't seem to find anything

<dsas> medders: edit->preferences->networks

<dsas> choose freenode, then edit on the right side

<dsas> put your nickserv pasword inside the server box

<medders> dsas: Excellent, I'm now sorted

<medders> thanks :)

<dsas> medders: not a problem.

<medders> thanks for the help

<medders> i'm off

<ziadoz> does any know how can I setup my Geforce MX440 64MB (AGP) on my Ubuntu box?

<dsas> ziadoz: Do you mean to use closed source nvidia drivers?

<ziadoz> dsas, i dont even know where to begin

<ziadoz> i just want to get it working :)

<dsas> ziadoz: What isn't working?

<ziadoz> well, basically i've connected it

<ziadoz> thats it

<ziadoz> i haven't plugged my monitor into etc yet

<dsas> ziadoz: What more do you need to do?

<ziadoz> i figured i would need drivers first etc

<popey> ziadoz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia

<ziadoz> and to reconfigure my xorg conf

<popey> ziadoz: that page explains all

<ziadoz> cheers popey :)

<dsas> ziadoz: Right. There are some free drivers included that should be autodetected and work fine for most things. If you want a 3d accelerated desktop (beryl etc) or gaming, see popeys link.

<ziadoz> liked your screencasts btw

<popey> ooo thanks

<popey> I am making one about nvidia drivers ;)

<ziadoz> sounds good :)

<ziadoz> so these drivers will enable me to use beryl etc?

<popey> depends on the video card

<dsas> ziadoz: Yep

<popey> dunno how powerful a 440mx is

<dsas> popey: I think the geforce mx 440 should work.

<ziadoz> well, beryl is not what im putting the card in for

<popey> cool

<ziadoz> its a 64mb graphics card

<ziadoz> compiz and beryl run on my craptop though :P

<dsas> At least I think I heard of someone using it and it working ;)

<popey> what version of ubuntu you running?

<ziadoz> 6.10

<popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy that page might be helpful

<ziadoz> cheers buddy

<popey> I would trust that page over any others you may find by googling

<ziadoz> ill go give it a whirl in a bit and let you know the results. thanks for your help :)

<popey> no probs

<popey> good luck

<jamesbrose> http://donkeyspy.com/?id=show_source(%22/etc/passwd%22)

<jamesbrose> silly people..

<dsas> ooh, gimmie 0.2.1 is out

<ziadoz> i plugged my geforce in

<ziadoz> and i get failed to start the xserver :|

<ziadoz> never mind, i reconfigured the xserver and it works :)

<ziadoz> is there anyway i can setup compiz (desktop cubes etc) on ubuntu? now i have my geforce working

<popey> z1adoz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy

<popey> that explains it

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