<Tatey> morning fella's

<Cyvros> G'mornin', Tatey.

<MistaED2> morning

<Tatey> hi :)

<MistaED2> well morning for me at 12:13pm XD

<Tatey> nice

<Cyvros> Dammit. Ubuntu isn't recognising blank CD-Rs.

<Tatey> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6RiG9lq84o8 <-- if you're really bored

<Tatey> http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/divzero.jpg

<merlin-linux> Tatey: interesting... there has to be a story behind that bit of artwork...

<Tatey> hah, it's just a math joke

<merlin-linux> yeah i know

<Tatey> wait, I understand what you're saying now

<merlin-linux> but it still an interesting pic

<Tatey> probably just a photochop, TBH

<merlin-linux> sales pitch "to your left is a lovely worm hole home and it can all be yours for $156,000/0"

<Tatey> I'm off to the city, BBL

<merlin-linux> oh, it needs a stargate out front...

<Cyvros> Howdy, MotherLUG.

<MotherLUG> Hi Cyvros

<Cyvros> How're you?

<MotherLUG> Good thanks, give me a few minutes and I'll be back

<Cyvros> Righteo.

<MotherLUG> http://radio.localfoss.org:8000/

<MotherLUG> sorry pastring it for my own benifit

<nrdb> Hi, I have found a write paper that shows how the windows vista DRM schem will affect the cost of all computer hardware see http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

<henno> yeah, that has been doing the rounds

<henno> it is a good read

<manicka> ping rob

<Cyvros> Sounds interesting.

<nrdb> henno: bad news for everyone, real bad for Vista uses.

<henno> I can't wait to see yet another round of copy protection by microsoft fail at the hands of the hackers of the world

<Cyvros> henno: LOL.

<henno> it is the nature of humans.. the harder you push someone, the harder they push back

<henno> when you are a kid, and your mum says you can't do something, all you want to do every minute of the day is that very thing

<henno> no-one likes to be restricted as to what they can and can't do, and it simply won't work

<Cyvros> So very true.

<henno> to quote the prophet Public Enemy "Fight the Power!"

<Cyvros> Hehehe.

<romana> the revlution will not be televised

<nrdb> The main trouble I see is that hardware is going to more expensive, and hardware drivers are going to more difficult to write.

<romana> there are several open hardware type projects atm

<romana> open nvidia

<romana> open bios

<henno> I am hoping that in a competitive market, hardware that is harder to develop, more restrictive and as a result of these, more expensive, will make way for vendors aiming to exploit a niche and drive open hardware standards

<henno> that is the dream

<siccness> :|

* nrdb hopping henno is correct

<siccness> every rose has its thorn

<MistaED2> have more open hardware with companies which produce computers with linux pre-installed, no hardware dramas, etc.

<henno> yeah, but at least you have a rose garden

<henno> I don't want a garden full of nothing but thorns

<siccness> lol

<siccness> just like every night has it's dawn!

<romana> there is a few companies, us based, shipping linux based systems only. dell is doing some. more than we used to see:)

<henno> every cowboy sings a sad, sad song

<nrdb> didn't know dell was shipping linux computers.

<siccness> henno ;-)

<romana> was on digg

<nrdb> but this is going to make all video cards etc. more expensive :(

<romana> a limited round of shipping, its not fully worldwide

<henno> the catalyst will be hardware vendors writing drivers for linux

<henno> a few already do

<romana> nvidia is cooperating more

* nrdb good to here.

<romana> ati does, but they closed source:( same with intel centrino

<henno> open hardware will eliminate all of this

<nrdb> could one of the large fpga chips be used as a GPU ?

<henno> you could write your own dan driver

<henno> damn*

<nrdb> is there an open hardware video card that has specs close to other current cards ?

<Cyvros> Would anyone happen to know which USB thing I need to select in my BIOS to boot off a flash drive? I have FDD, HDD, ZIP and CD - I can't seem to get any to work...

<nrdb> Cyvros: I would think you would need to be able to select 'USB' in the bios, it looks to me that your bios is to old and doesn't have the option.

<Cyvros> nrdb: Damn.

<siccness> What board is it?

<Cyvros> I do mean, BTW, USB-FDD, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP and USB-CD.

<Cyvros> siccness: No idea.

<siccness> How old is the box?

<nrdb> Cyvros: one option is try something like http://www.elx.com.au/item/CFIDE4

<Cyvros> siccness: Probably about as old as me - it just gets hardware upgrades every so often.

<merlin-linux> hiho all

<Cyvros> nrdb: That would require installation?

<henno> booting from USB is only on computer within the last.. say, 4 years?

<siccness> around 2002-2003 yeah

<nrdb> Cyvros: what is you are trying to do ?

<Cyvros> nrdb: Boot Wolvix off my flash.

<Cyvros> henno: Quite sure mine's at least '03.

<henno> the year alone is not the only requisite

<Cyvros> Because I've got four USB options, but none seem to work (two turn up "Boot error").

<siccness> what are the USB options?

<Cyvros> I've tried it with Damn Small Linux and Knoppix before a few times.

<henno> I would guess USB-HDD

<Cyvros> (2007-01-18 15:45:33) Cyvros: I do mean, BTW, USB-FDD, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP and USB-CD.

<henno> would be the one

<Cyvros> henno: Okay. I'll try that one.

<Cyvros> Thanks, nrdb, siccness, henno.

<siccness> You need to enable it

<siccness> save it, exit

<siccness> go back in

<Cyvros> siccness: I did that for at least three of the four.

<siccness> and put it at #1 boot priority

<Cyvros> siccness: No 1? Damn. I left CD as no 1.

<henno> haha.. dude

<Cyvros> I was putting it as no 2 above HDD-0.

<henno> oh.. that should still work

<siccness> well if it doesnt find CD, it'll go to the next option

<Cyvros> siccness: No CD was in.

<nrdb> yes I would think so too.

<siccness> :\

<siccness> give it a shot, see how it goes

<Cyvros> Maybe I'll just get the floppy of the site... I was trying to avoid needing a boot floppy.

<Cyvros> siccness: Thanks.

<Cyvros> BBL.

<Cyvros> Thanks once again.

<nrdb> ok

<Phlosten> afternoon all

<nrdb> Phlosten: Hi

<Phlosten> heya nrdb

* henno thinks the /topic needs to be changed (next meeting January 8th?)

<purserj> http://radio.localfoss.org:8000 - Click on the "Click Here To Listen" link

<henno> damn 128kbps connection

<siccness> henno: yeah but there hasn't been a new topic set

<siccness> so I wouldn't know what to change the channel to

<siccness> wtf

<siccness> none of that made sense

<henno> heh

<siccness> henno: yeah but there hasn't been a new meeting set * so I wouldn't know what to change the topic to

<Daemon> anyone installed the gnome conduit under edgy at all?

<henno> ah yeah.. now _that_ makes sense

<siccness> :)

<Cyvros> Bah! Didn't work.

<quail> [18 17:09:58] <quail> w00t, i have fixed my bottle neck on my lan, i can download at 2.10MB/s compared to the ~1.5MB/s i was getting before

<quail> [18 17:10:25] <quail> i just rebuilding my firewall / gateway / router atm

<quail> [18 17:11:05] <quail> so maybe i had a regression prob from all the updates that have been done on over the years

<Tatey> 'noon

*** Hit3k_ is now known as Hit3k

<hysterio> evenin

<merlin-linux> w00t this not bad speed test

<merlin-linux> 13454 / 1918 (Kbps)

<merlin-linux> (1642.3 / 234.2 KB/sec)

<merlin-linux> Compared to the average of 904 tests from on.net:

<merlin-linux> * download is 315% better, upload is 545% better

<hysterio> merlin-linux: got a link?

<merlin-linux> hysterio: are you on internode

<merlin-linux> this link might work for you >>> http://www.internode.on.net/tools/speedtest/index.htm

<hysterio> no joy

<hysterio> im guessing you're on adsl2

<hysterio> try this one out: http://www.speedtest.net/

<merlin-linux> hysterio: yes

<merlin-linux> yeah i know that one

<merlin-linux> 1/18/20077:56 AM GMT17438 kb/s1931 kb/s37 msAdelaide< 50 mi

<hysterio> nice

<hysterio> /18/20077:55 AM GMT12595 kb/s242 kb/s21 msSydney< 50 mi

<hysterio> /18/20077:55 AM GMT 12595 kb/s 242 kb/s 21 ms Sydney< 50 mi

<hysterio> optus cable

<merlin-linux> kewl

<hysterio> i did have adsl2 previously, this is much better

<merlin-linux> i got a adsl2+ soho account with internode

<merlin-linux> and my modem is annex m

<hysterio> how far away from the exchange are u?

<merlin-linux> so i can get upto 2.5MB/s upload

<merlin-linux> about 1.5Km

<merlin-linux> i have rebuilt my firewall / gateway / router this afternoon

<hysterio> cool.. i was over 3km, with crappy lines - adsl2 maxed out at 2600/1000

<merlin-linux> this is the modem router i got >>> http://www.billion.com/product/adsl/bipac7300.php

<merlin-linux> note the appraisal on the right

<hysterio> yeah billion have a good rep

<merlin-linux> mine is just the modem / router, and i have it fully bridged so it just a dumb modem

<hysterio> can still make a difference

<merlin-linux> and my firewall / gateway / router pc controls every thing for me

<hysterio> yeah I have the same config here

<merlin-linux> what your firewall / gateway / router

<merlin-linux> you use ipcop or something like that

<hysterio> ubuntu

<merlin-linux> ah ok

<hysterio> server install with some iptables lovin

<hysterio> merlin-linux: what are u using?

<merlin-linux> modified ipcop box

<henno> smoothwall has been running on my network for years and years

<merlin-linux> i just find it easier to manage as i have 4 diff networks at home eg internet / lan / wifi / dmz

<henno> merlin-linux: I am exactly the same

<merlin-linux> kewl

<merlin-linux> henno: have you tried ipcop

<henno> I have no need to. Plus the hardware requirements are a little higher for ipcop

<merlin-linux> henno: no it not

<merlin-linux> my first ipcop box was P166MMX with 64MB ram and it was fine

<henno> you are right. I was thinking of clarkconnect

<henno> but anyway, smoothwall has been running for what must be 3 or 4 years without issue

<merlin-linux> henno: my current ipcop box is a P3 733MHz with 512MB ram

<henno> the best thing I ever did was squid + adzapper

<henno> if you haven't installed adzapper on ipcop, I suggest you do

<merlin-linux> i use urlfilter

<merlin-linux> and advanced proxy

<Phlosten> howdy all

<Phlosten> howdy Tatey

<Tatey> hi :)

<Tatey> what's happening?

<Phlosten> i'm having fun trying to get WinXP on a mates laptop so that we can also install Kubuntu

<Phlosten> he has WinXP Pro Upgrade CD which has a bug that means it wont format a partition

<Phlosten> stupid piece of crap

<Phlosten> Ubuntu and others look pretty good compared to these hassles

<henno> partition manager

<henno> I think it is owned by semantec these days

<Phlosten> i think a better option is WinXP CD + Microwave

<henno> damn right

<henno> just wipe the whole thing and be done with it

<Phlosten> he is hoping to not have to use XP at all, but he is a teacher and there is a good possibility he may need it to access the network

<Tatey> you can't access the network from Kubuntu?

<Phlosten> the dept of ed has a new network access setup. i am not really sure on it

<Phlosten> he doesnt know how it works, he just hands the laptop to the it guy who sets it up

<Tatey> that sucks

<Phlosten> hopefully we can work it out and dump xp

<Tatey> that'd be good

<Phlosten> he is all for getting rid of it

<Tatey> I don't understand why education places such an imporantance on MS, which if you look at it fundamentally, is completely the opposite of what people should be using in schools

<Phlosten> and after these hassles, i think even more so

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<Phlosten> Tatey: yes, the argument is 'we need to teach the students what they will be using in the real world'

<Tatey> that's a BS arguement :P

<Tatey> my fathers work uses all MYOB stuff, and it shits me off all the vendor lock-in

<Tatey> I'm very tempted to write his entire POS system in MySQL/PHP

<Tatey> and then I could migrate all his machines over to Linux, and have identical settings

<Tatey> Windows is a bitch to do this, IMO

<Phlosten> POS? or accounting?

<Tatey> Phlosten: he uses Myob for both

<Phlosten> MYOB is the biggest bunch of shit going

<Tatey> I'm not sure I could write an entire accounting system in PHP/MySQL

<Tatey> I'm confident I could do the POS though

<Phlosten> Tatey: there are a few options out there already

<Tatey> there is POS and Hire, both should be attainable

<Tatey> Phlosten: FOSS options?

<Phlosten> Tatey: have a squiz on sourceforge

<Tatey> I really like centralised, singular databases. It makes backups 10x easier

<Tatey> I'll have to check it out

<Phlosten> i bookmarked some interesting projects

<Phlosten> i'll dig them out

<Tatey> if you could, that'd be great

<Tatey> in all honesty, I don't mind writting a custom one

<Phlosten> i am trying to keep a good eye on whats around so that if I need something along those lines I'll have a fair idea whats around

<Tatey> to find a complete account package, would be difficult. I'm quite happy to have everything else switched over though

<Phlosten> yeah, custom is good, but even if you can get something that maybe has 50% of what you want already done, its a lot less work

<Tatey> web based applications just make sense, IMO

<Phlosten> the beauty of open source

<Tatey> I was even considering eventually packaging it and releasing it under GPL as a suite

<Tatey> I'll concentrate on making it work first :)

<Tatey> I have a lot of hours ahead of me first

<Tatey> and yea, you're spot on Phlosten

<Phlosten> i have two php web application projects I want to tachle this year

<Phlosten> tackle

<Phlosten> damn XP install is slooow

<henno> I need to learn python

<Phlosten> henno: me too :) i am starting a Bach of IT next year, and from what I have been told, python is their flavour atm

<henno> reading up about it, it just makes more sense to me than perl

<henno> I can write perl, but the code always looks nasty

<Phlosten> :)

<siccness> BEEER!!!

<Phlosten> whats a nice gui tool for converting video?

<siccness> windows

<Phlosten> heh

<Hit3k> hah burn

<Phlosten> i want to take an ogg file and make an SVCD

<siccness> doom9.org is your best bet

<Phlosten> if i cant do it in Linux, i just aint doing it

<siccness> doom9 has a forum section dedicated for Linux.

<Phlosten> ok, i'll take a peek

<henno> mencoder

<henno> oh gui

<henno> /me /ignores henry54

<siccness> theres a few front ends for mencoder

<henno> oops

<henno> henno

<siccness> or as everyone likes to call it "memcoder" ;\

<henno> who the hell calls it that?

<siccness> Everyone seems to mispell it for some odd reason.

<henno> it is simply an m in front of encoder

<siccness> Yup.

<henno> not hard :)

<siccness> sometimes i need some-time, all alonnne!

<Tatey> got a new UPS today

<Tatey> woo

<siccness> Nice

<siccness> I want one but can't afford one

<Tatey> this was $95

<Tatey> I only really want one so that when the power goes out, it shuts the box down... and when power comes back... it turns back on

<siccness> Yeah fair enough

<siccness> A cheapish one would do that fine

<henno> I need another one for my router/wireless

<Tatey> siccness: pretty much

<henno> most of my power outages are less than a minute

<siccness> I want something that'll uphold the box for a larger period

<Tatey> I think mine is about 15 minutes

<siccness> so I'm looking at around $400 mark

<Tatey> yeap

<Tatey> be nice to put the router and both the server and my comp on a UPS

<siccness> It'd be nice to see new computers old with UPS's

<siccness> I'd consider them almost a necessity :|

<siccness> s/old/sold/

<Cyvros> henno, siccness: Found out what was wrong with the USB booting - I'm quite sure it's the device. I tried it with a different computer with a newer BIOS and it just refused to boot.

<siccness> Eh?

<Cyvros> siccness: I think it's the flash drive itself.

<siccness> Are you able to read/write to the flash drive itself?

<Cyvros> Apparently there are devices, especially USB 2.0 devices, that won't allow OS booting... apparently.

<Cyvros> Yeah.

<siccness> Hmm

<Cyvros> Won't work on my desktop and it won't work on Mum's laptop.

<siccness> You could perhaps try a mates Flash Drive

<Cyvros> I do have another flash drive. I'll try that.

<siccness> ok

<Cyvros> I'll just switch data between the two.

<Cyvros> I even tried using the Ubuntu wiki guide for USB booting. :D

<siccness> I hope big man linus makes it to lca08

<Cyvros> lca08?

<Cyvros> BBL.

<siccness> linux cong 2008

<siccness> conf

<Cyvros> Ah.

<Cyvros> Big man Linus. I like that.

<Hit3k> siccness, have you seen the video on zdnet(?) where he talks about kernel 2.7?

<siccness> Nope?

<siccness> What's he saying about it?

<Hit3k> I cant remember

<siccness> 2.7 is development anyway

<Hit3k> yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> Yo!

<siccness> Hey

<Cyvros> Hiya, Davo_Dinkum.

<Cyvros> Is there a simple way of renaming a flash drive in Ubuntu?

<Cyvros> I know there's command-line.

<Davo_Dinkum> Cyvros: F2?

<siccness> this kerneltrap site is nice

<Cyvros> Davo_Dinkum: Doesn't work.

<Cyvros> Ah well, doesn't matter.

<Cyvros> I'll just do it in Windows.

<Cyvros> BBL.

<Davo_Dinkum> Why didn't he just right click and select rename?

<siccness> Heh

<Davo_Dinkum> Is esd a sound server?

<siccness> yes

<Davo_Dinkum> I had it 6 processes called 'esd' running, which is probably why VLC didn't have sound.

<Davo_Dinkum> It's all good now.

<Davo_Dinkum> All quiet tonight.

<siccness> yup

<siccness> has been tho with everyone at lca

<Davo_Dinkum> Feeding time at the zoo. ^_^

<siccness> Your mate Bagdhatis went out

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> That guy was damn good (the one who beat him).

<siccness> Against a french men, man

<Davo_Dinkum> So what?

<siccness> I'm surprised he didn't snap his knees

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL yeah he was a bit tall.

<siccness> Guy was a freak

<Davo_Dinkum> So what? He played well.

<Davo_Dinkum> His serves were tricky.

<siccness> I'm not doubting that one bit

<siccness> I like this Molik girl

* Davo_Dinkum looks at TV

<siccness> She's not playing atm

<siccness> http://www.adidas.com/athlete/images/athlete/Alicia_Profile.jpg

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh

<Davo_Dinkum> Damn look at his muscles: http://au.sports.yahoo.com/070117/4/121s700/978208359.html

<henno> whatever flaots your boat

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<Davo_Dinkum> I don't have a boat.

<henno> haha.. how bad is the pic of him on wikipedia

<henno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gaël_Monfils.jpg

<henno> damn I am getting old. That dud was born in '86

<Davo_Dinkum> henno: Link's broken.

<henno> s/dud/dude

<henno> not for me it aint

<Davo_Dinkum> This pic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ga%C3%ABl_Monfils.jpg

<henno> maybe it is a unicode problem

<Davo_Dinkum> Probably

<henno> same thing

<Davo_Dinkum> It's not too bad a pic.

<henno> come on. He is pointing his manhood to the sky

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<henno> "Check it oooout!"

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah a bit too much crotch action there.

<siccness> LOL

<Davo_Dinkum> This should be on his wikipedia article: http://img.epochtimes.com/i6/5080843011690.jpg <<<warning! large size.

<siccness> That picture is nuts

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: The one with his nuts pointing upwards?

<siccness> No

<siccness> the one you just pasted

<Davo_Dinkum> Why? Too big for you?

<siccness> The fact that I can see the any minute imperfections in his skin scares the shit outta me

<Davo_Dinkum> ROTFLOL

* henno waits for the proactiv ad

<siccness> lol

<henno> "I used to play tennis and had minute pimples"

<henno> "now with proactive" ... and so on

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Found it here: http://www.epochtimes.com/b5/5/8/8/n1012144.htm

<siccness> These girls have got balls wearing such short skirts playin tennis

<siccness> tennis balls that is

<henno> I am glad they don't have balls in those skirts actually

<Davo_Dinkum> That's just their spare dicks.

<siccness> Career Prize Money $16,609,137 <--Hewitt

<Davo_Dinkum> Mauresmo almost looks normal in her wikipedia pics>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelie_Mauresmo

<siccness> Later in 2006, Hewitt played a Davis Cup quarterfinal against Belarus. His opponent, Vladimir Voltchkov, said before the match, "Hewitt has no weapons to hurt me." Hewitt responded, "Voltchkov doesn't have a ranking [of 457] to hurt me." On court, Hewitt defeated Voltchkov 6-2, 6-1, 6-2 in just 91 minutes, helping Australia reach the semifinals.

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL nice.

<siccness> BURNED/owned/pwned/b0rked/fawked/fscked

<siccness> whatever you wanna call it

<henno> shame hewitt is a right knob

<siccness> He's a twat

<siccness> but he's still got more talent than I'll ever have :|

<Davo_Dinkum> lmao siccness playing tennis\

<Davo_Dinkum> hahaha

<siccness> big sicc used to play

<siccness> big sicc used to be good

<Davo_Dinkum> But then he got big.

<siccness> haha, basically :P

<Davo_Dinkum> Heh

<siccness> Apparently no Australian has won Aussie open for years?

<Davo_Dinkum> No idea.

<siccness> I hope he wins it this year

<merlin-linux> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.34 #1 Tue Jan 9 01:40:56 GMT 2007 i686 pentium3 i386 GNU/Linux

<siccness> Wowzerz! The latest kernel!

<merlin-linux> hell yeah it roxz

<merlin-linux> it does the job for a firewall /gateway / router

<merlin-linux> siccness: is it hell humid there

<siccness> Yeah no difference here :|

<siccness> I hate this kinda weather

<merlin-linux> yeah me too

<merlin-linux> one my pc's power LED has goes red

<siccness> :|

<siccness> I never bother hookin those up

<merlin-linux> yeah it a dual colour LED

<siccness> only thing that gets hooked up here is the pwr button

<merlin-linux> and when it goes red it means it internal temp is hot

<siccness> heh

<merlin-linux> my desktop pc got a lcd screen on the front of it

<merlin-linux> wb quail

<siccness> k8temp-pci-00c3: Core0 Tempt: +45 C, Core1 Temp: +48 C

<henno> 2.4.27-3-386

<henno> I win

<siccness> Linux j00btoo 2.6.19-gentoo-r4 #1 SMP Sat Jan 13 06:35:57 EST 2007 i686 Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 165 GNU/Linux

<merlin-linux> quail@quails-laptop:~/Desktop$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature

<merlin-linux> temperature: 45 C

<siccness> Although

<siccness> I need to compile .20

<merlin-linux> Linux quails-laptop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

<siccness> is that the latest ubuntu kernel?

<merlin-linux> it the edgy kernel

<siccness> Ah ok

<merlin-linux> feisty kernel = 2.6.20

<siccness> whens that due for release?

<siccness> april i see

* henno rocks the 2.4.x

<merlin-linux> Linux hal9000serv 2.4.20-18.7smp #1 SMP Thu May 29 07:49:23 EDT 2003 i686 unknown

<merlin-linux> haha i win for the oldest kernel running in this channel

<henno> darn

<merlin-linux> thats my server kernel

<henno> so why does the date say 2003

<merlin-linux> cause that when it was rebuilt

<henno> I see

<merlin-linux> i have had the same server running over 3 years

<henno> I though maybe you were throwing a curve-ball there.. but that kernel is really that old :)

<merlin-linux> hehe

<henno> I can still remember heralding the end of 2.2.x

<henno> back in the days when I used (eeep) redhat

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL redfat

<merlin-linux> henno: yeah i started using linux with redhat 5.2

<merlin-linux> and now my red hat 5.2 deluxe cd is now a drink coaster

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> Same

<henno> I started in the 6.x range

<siccness> My first kernel would have been 2.2

<siccness> 2.2.x

<siccness> for about 2hrs before i headed back to windows

<henno> I bought a magazine with redhat on the front, and installed it on my celeron 400

<henno> loved it

<henno> by 7.x I hated it

<henno> :P

<siccness> Ubuntu was the first distribution i used that lasted longer than 1 month

<henno> I started using slackware

<henno> and that very same box is still running

<henno> I am using it right now :]

<siccness> They should make a pringles box for fat-handed people

<henno> I think if your hand is too fat to get in there, you should not be eating them

<henno> "intelligent design"

<henno> :P

<henno> it is true!

<siccness> No, that kind of logic belongs on Windows.

<siccness> What about those who have large hands but skinny?

<henno> then your duty as a linux hacker is to modify the pringles packaging to your own needs and distribute to others

<siccness> using such flags as: --expand --force :D

<henno> haha

<merlin-linux> here is my redhat 5.2 cd coaster >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/IMG_0286.JPG

<henno> /usr/bin/pringles --fathands

<siccness> LOL, is that glued down?

<henno> /usr/bin/pringles --fathands | grep unbroken_chips > mouth

<merlin-linux> siccness: no it got none slip stuff on the bottom of it

<merlin-linux> the disc has been through the microwave to

<Davo_Dinkum> I think my coasters are redhat 9!

<siccness> henno: you'll have to apply '>>' rather than '>' after the first initialization :)

<henno> heh

<henno> unless I want to throw up the first mouthfull

<siccness> lol

<siccness> < :P

<henno> hahaha

<siccness> :)

<Draicone> Anyone seen whatisubuntu.com?

<Davo_Dinkum> Nope

<siccness> checkin it now

<Davo_Dinkum> cbf

<siccness> This site sucks?

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Does it?

<siccness> It's basically an About page for Ubuntu

<Draicone> It's sort of a LoCo project

<siccness> I was expecting something useful like tutorials, explanations and stuff

<Draicone> Well, it's only a day old

<Draicone> And the content's been thrown between two or three hosts and two different databases

<siccness> I'm assuming that with your knowledge on such, that you run/maintain this?

<henno> same page as this

<henno> http://ostorr.org/ubuntu

<siccness> henno: yeah it's a refresh :P

<Draicone> I don't run/maintain it

<Draicone> Well, I suppose you could say I maintain it, but Chris Jones runs it

<Draicone> The mailing list has a bit of correspondence on it

<siccness> and what's the goal/objective of the site? Anything in planning for the near future?

<Draicone> You'd have to ask Chris, but I assume it's meant to be a complete guide to Ubuntu for newbies

<Draicone> And it's not a refresh, just both sites are hosted by me on the same server and access the same database (and have identical code powering them)

<siccness> Ok, execpt the Home link on whatisubuntu.com goes to the ostorr.org/ubuntu site?

<Draicone> Ah yes, the global link prefix is old, one sec

<Draicone> Fixed

<siccness> I do like the layout of it, very simple, clean looking.

<siccness> Yup, all fixed.

<Draicone> Brilliant, broken again.

<Draicone> (I didn't bring the .htacess for fancy mod_rewrite over, it seems)

<siccness> Hm?

<siccness> Ah

<Davo_Dinkum> Guys how can I test if a PSU works if I have no motherboard to test it with?

<Draicone> Does it have a status light on the back?

<Davo_Dinkum> No

<Draicone> I suppose if you plug it in and the fan starts up...

<Davo_Dinkum> Nope, no fan movement.

<Draicone> Well, even if it isn't deploying power, it should still be consuming some itself, and require a fan to keep itself cool, so I'd say it isn't working

<Davo_Dinkum> The pass through works though.

<Draicone> Ok then...

<Davo_Dinkum> Does that mean it works?

<Draicone> Try #hardware ?

<Draicone> Well, I'm not a hardware guy, so I couldn't really tell

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Any hints?

<siccness> yeah, get a motherboard

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL soon.

<siccness> you'll wanna test the psu rails anyway

<Davo_Dinkum> rails?

<siccness> http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=137886

<siccness> I want a Modular PSU

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: ?

<siccness> Well, basically a PSU that allows you to put in the cables that you require.

<Davo_Dinkum> Nice

<siccness> Helps with airflow

<siccness> Removes clutter

<siccness> Lower temperatures

<siccness> greater overclocking :)

<Davo_Dinkum> More expensive?

<siccness> Yes :)

<Davo_Dinkum> -_-

<siccness> only thing im reluctant to go cheap on is the psu

<Davo_Dinkum> This PSU I'm trying to test is a 480w!

<siccness> brand?

<Davo_Dinkum> Hopefully it actually works.

<Davo_Dinkum> Umm dunno.

<Davo_Dinkum> it says "Designed for Pentium 4" on it though.

<siccness> Enermax ftw.

<henno> antec here

<siccness> "Designed for Pentium 4" would just be some stupid marketting gimick.

<siccness> I have Antec TrueControl here

<siccness> I miss the ol' Enermax

<siccness> that thing was rock solid

<henno> I want to build a rackmount into my office desk

<henno> that is my dream

<siccness> HEh

<siccness> *Heh

<henno> stuff all of this under the desk, on the desk shit

<henno> ditch the drawers and stuff a mini-cabinet in there

<henno> time for bed

<henno> night all

* henno detaches

<Draicone> Cya

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Is this cheap and nasty: http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9965/psuri3.jpg

<Davo_Dinkum> ?

<Draicone> Well, it's certified =P

<Draicone> It looks cheap and nasty though

<Draicone> The 'Designed for Pentium4' is definitely not genuine

<Draicone> (Since when were PSUs designed for specific CPUs anyway)

<Davo_Dinkum> Draicone: Since Intel paid them to put stickers on them?

<Draicone> Davo_Dinkum: Intel bribes Dell to put decent, pretty stickers on their dodgy OEM cases

<Davo_Dinkum> They would

<Draicone> I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a CPU specific PSU anyway

<Davo_Dinkum> bribe meaning discount on intel CPUs?

<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: Yes it looks cheap and nasty

<merlin-linux> do people still buy new psu's

<Davo_Dinkum> Not me.

<merlin-linux> i rebuild mine, cause i am a cheap skate

<Davo_Dinkum> I get ones that are being thrown out and use those.

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: they not hard to rebuild

<merlin-linux> and the parts to buy are cheaper than buying a new psu

<Davo_Dinkum> I said get, not buy.

<merlin-linux> yes i know

<merlin-linux> i was just saying

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh OK

<merlin-linux> i have got an old psu in a steal case that still running and i have had to only rebuild it once

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL this case has a turbo LED

<merlin-linux> haha, so has lot of stuff i have here

<Davo_Dinkum> Heh

<merlin-linux> my newest pc is my laptop that i am on now

<merlin-linux> rest is p3 733MHz and down

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL this sound cable just says "best" on one end.

<MistaED2> Davo_Dinkum: good PSU's often tell you the stable wattage as the main one, and in smaller print the maximum unstable theoretical wattage

<MistaED2> so that one is probably something in the ballpark of 300-350 watts i'd say

<Davo_Dinkum> Even though it says 480watt?

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: 480 watt psu is a bit odd ball

<merlin-linux> most psu's i have seen have gone up by 50 watt, eg 300, 350, 400, 450, etc

<MistaED2> mine is a thermaltake 430w with a max of 550 i think

<merlin-linux> my new pc i going to build is going to have a thermaltake psu and case

<merlin-linux> thermaltake make some good stuff

<merlin-linux> i use there rounded cables atm

<Davo_Dinkum> IDE cables?

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: yeah

<merlin-linux> my current desktop got them in it atm

<merlin-linux> as it pretty full in site

<MistaED2> antec make the best psu's i think

<merlin-linux> s/site/side

<MistaED2> thermaltake are just as good i'd say

<merlin-linux> this is my setup >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/IMG_0288.JPG

<merlin-linux> sorry i should sat that my mess

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<merlin-linux> s/sat/say

<siccness> hows the weather in your neck of the woods, merlin-linux?

<siccness> Still rediculously humid?

<merlin-linux> siccness: it is crap here atm, humid and raining

<merlin-linux> and i will tell you even tho people not want to know, i am in my boxers

<siccness> heh, im in mine too

<MistaED2> merlin-linux: did you nab two ex-government boxes there or something?

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: Euughh!

<Davo_Dinkum> merlin-linux: Is that a black server rack on the bottom right?

<siccness> Looks like a cabinet

<merlin-linux> MistaED2: i have a few ex-government pc's here

<merlin-linux> commercial desktops you got to love em

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: hiho mate how are you?

<Davo_Dinkum> merlin-linux: What's the white box under the desk?

<Davo_Dinkum> the modem/router.

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: It's almost bed time.. I'm getting a copy of RevolutionOS for you.

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: what a legit copy?

<Davo_Dinkum> lmao

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: which white box

<Davo_Dinkum> the small one

<Davo_Dinkum> on the right

<Davo_Dinkum> not a PC

<merlin-linux> it a switch

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: From one of the guys who was in it.. I never heard back from the distributor last year.

<Davo_Dinkum> Ah

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: i have been hunting that doco

* merlin-linux hugs pschulz01 for the great work getting it :-)

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: I know.

<siccness> I want that doco

<siccness> steal me a copy

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: I would like to do the 'right thing'[TM] so I'm going to email the director at some stage..

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: did you get any the google flashing things from the open day

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: Sorry.. I think I have a flashing yoyo hear somewhere.. sorry..

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: no it no the yoyo

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: these >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/malcolmtredinnick/361460864/in/set-72157594486365641/

<pschulz01> I'm still working my way through the 'Freefall' comic.

<merlin-linux> k

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: Sorry.. I didn't get any of those.

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: I've ben a really useless swag scrounger.

<siccness> is there anyone dressed up as a giant tux?

<pschulz01> siccness: No... just a blowup.

<siccness> :|

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: you took bill?

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: No.. I had no space in my luggage.

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: i saw a tux at lca wearing a lca07 tshirt

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: i am looking for another doco too

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: it this doco >>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0315417/

<merlin-linux> it called "The Code" and it was made for the fins

<siccness> I have that

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: Any good?

<siccness> It's OK.

<siccness> Nothing to drop your jaw over though.

<siccness> Although you do get to see RMS dance

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL

<Davo_Dinkum> Is that a good thing?

<siccness> If you're a fan of comedy, yeah.

<pschulz01> Nice list of cast members..

<siccness> He's just plain weird

<siccness> Linus has a few interesting things to say

<siccness> Parts of it are in Finnish

<merlin-linux> you can view this stuff here >>> http://video.google.com.au/videosearch?q=Linus+Torvalds

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: You speak Finnish, right? :P

<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: Only parts that have been translated for me :P

<merlin-linux> siccness: hehe

<merlin-linux> siccness: you just make up your own words for the rest

<siccness> Of course :)

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: ping

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: pong..

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: the version of revolutionOS is dvd version?

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: avi

<merlin-linux> ok

<pschulz01> 512x384 - 1023kbps - xvid.avi

<merlin-linux> i looking for the dvd version still

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: kewl

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: It that a good thing?

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: here >>> http://www.revolution-os.com/store1.html

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: I don't think that they have any more..

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: no they don't

<merlin-linux> but there ment to be still new ones around tho

<merlin-linux> i found a seller on ebay that got a heap, but they only got a rating of 3

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: this the person >>> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290071403416&rd=1&rd=1

<pschulz01> Off to sleep.. night all.

<Cyvros> G'nite, pschulz01.

<merlin-linux> g'night pschulz01

<Davo_Dinkum> Bye guys.

<Cyvros> Cya, Davo_Dinkum.

<Davo_Dinkum> Cyvros: Later.

<Tatey> fella's

<Cyvros> Howdy, Tatey.

<Tatey> hello Cyvros, follow night owl

<Cyvros> I can't help it.

<Cyvros> :D

<Cyvros> BRB, match point.

<Tatey> hah

<siccness> :)

<siccness> I'm so bored :(

<Tatey> why for?

<siccness> theres nothing to do :P

<Tatey> I'm doing that ebay template :P

<siccness> You gonna be up for awhile?

<Tatey> I suppose so

<siccness> Hmm

<Tatey> and then I want to start writting a PHP/SQL application

<Tatey> maybe not tonight though

<siccness> Nah start it tonight

<Tatey> it's already 1am :P

<siccness> I'll write an ebuild for something heh

<Tatey> switch to Arch ;)

<siccness> heh

<Tatey> how's MPD going for you? And OB?

<siccness> Both going nicely ;)

<Tatey> MPD is so nice

<Tatey> it's so fast

<Tatey> I'm getting better at the gimp

<Tatey> I still prefer photoshop though

<siccness> yeah? cool.

<siccness> I can't use image editors for shit

<siccness> i dunno how to use layers and what not

<Tatey> it does take a while to get use to I suppose. I started with MS paint :)

* Cyvros rudely interrupts the conversation.

<Tatey> how rude

<Cyvros> I started with Paint and made some really killer lightsaber bitmaps.

<siccness> It's occured to me that I have no idea how to write an ebuild

<Cyvros> siccness: A what?

<Tatey> siccness: ebuild aren't easy

<Tatey> thankfully, Arch PKGBUILD's are very logical

<siccness> Cyvros: ge?too talk :P

<Cyvros> And, to be totally honest, I really, really like The GIMP now.

<Cyvros> siccness: Hehehe.

<Cyvros> Took me ages to get used to - I came from Paint.NET... <_<

<Tatey> Cyvros: siccness and I are always arguing over Arch versus Gentoo

<Cyvros> Tatey: Oh.

<Tatey> in an Ubuntu channel

<Cyvros> siccness: Finally got DSL booting off my other flash drive with Mum's laptop. Still didn't work with my desktop. <_<

<Cyvros> Tatey: Ah.

<siccness> Hmm :|

<siccness> Tatey: Yeah but your arguments are always valid. I haven't used arch for more than 30mins :P

<Cyvros> http://iht.com/articles/2007/01/17/yourmoney/media.php Always a good sign.

<siccness> Mines just to stir you up :P

<Cyvros> Dammit. I have too many accounts, too many passwords, too many usernames and too many e-mail accounts where 'Forgot password?' links can send to.

<Tatey> haha

<Cyvros> I did a count the other day - I actually have a dozen e-mail accounts.

<Tatey> I've got seperate passwords for most things, and everything I do is either over SSH or SSL

<Cyvros> Ah.

<Tatey> I've only got two email accounts though, one which isn't checked at all (the ISP one)

<Cyvros> LOL.

<Cyvros> Hey, siccness, does this work? http://59.101.140.238

<Cyvros> I'm still trying to get lighttpd to work.

<Tatey> doesn't work

<siccness> not here

<Cyvros> I can get there by both http://localhost and http://192.168.1.66

<Cyvros> Damnation.

<Tatey> it says "waiting for..."

<Tatey> Cyvros: that's a problem with your network then

<Cyvros> 59.101.140.238 always gives me a username/password box.

<Tatey> ensure that you have port 80 open on your server

<Cyvros> Tatey: Oh, crap.

<Cyvros> How?

<Tatey> Cyvros: that's because when you go to that IP address, you're actually loading your router

<Cyvros> I am?

<Cyvros> Interesting...

<Tatey> I can't remember exactly how it works, but the more expensive routers correct this, and resolve the internal IP

<Tatey> you can do a fix by adding it in /etc/host

<Tatey> Cyvros: go into your router, look for port forwarding

<Tatey> make sure port 80 is forwarded to the box that has litehttpd

<Cyvros> How?

<Cyvros> Hang on.

<Cyvros> I'll give you what I have here.

<Tatey> I'm not sure, each router is different

* Cyvros pastebins.

<siccness> I'd love to know how people become good at programming :\

<Tatey> siccness: they play, and tinker

<Tatey> I thought you had no interest in programming?

<Tatey> if anything, start learning python

<siccness> It's not that it doesn't interest me, it's that I suck at it.

<Tatey> it's apparently easy

<siccness> and I usually give up

<Tatey> well, you need to want to write something first

<Cyvros> http://pastebin.ca/raw/320507

<siccness> Yeah I started to write some software

<siccness> but that ended up being halted

<Tatey> and then it just comes from experience

<Cyvros> Formatting was stuffed up when it wasn't raw.

<siccness> cuz I lost interest heh

<Tatey> well, I'm no programmer, but I can relate with reference to XHTML/CSS and Web Design

<Tatey> I've been doing it since I was 10 or 11

<Tatey> I'm 20 now :P

<siccness> I learnt XHTML/CSS

<siccness> I just don't use it :|

<Tatey> yea, I've made a fair few websites

<Tatey> over the years

<Tatey> only tatey.com exists today

<siccness> My best website was with a mate

<Tatey> Cyvros: see the ip address

<siccness> j00b.com it was iirc

<Tatey> you need to change that to the ip of the machine with litehttpd

<Cyvros> Tatey: Yeah?

<Cyvros> Right.

<Cyvros> Tatey: And enable?

<Cyvros> I've enabled it.

<Tatey> Cyvros: do you understand what you're doing? Your ISP assigns you a single IP. Your router/switch, allows the computers on your network to access various services by delegating traffic through various ports, usually in combination with NAT. By default, most routers will close all incomming ports to protect the local network. You however, are seeking to expose your webserver on the WWW. Therefore, you need to make sure that port 80 ...

<Tatey> ... is "exposing" the machine with a listening service, in your case, litehttpd

<Cyvros> Tatey: Noooooope. I live life by bluffing.

<siccness> Cyvros: Heh, wouldn't sweat over it. Most people do :D

<Cyvros> You know what?

<Cyvros> I'm going to try this again in three years' time.

<Cyvros> Just in case I screw up and Mum kills me.

<siccness> How are you going to screw up?

* Cyvros reverts the router settings.

<Cyvros> siccness: God knows. If it's screw-upable, I can make it worse.

<siccness> Hardly screwupable if you're only playing with port forwarding

<Tatey> when I go to that IP, my web browser requests a valid HTTP web page, and it knocks on port 80 and goes "Hello, is anyone there?" and then your router will go "Sorry, port 80 is closed". Actually better routers won't tell the requesting page anything. When you open the port though, the router will talk back and go "Okay, you're after port80, hang on, I'll pass you on to an internal machine" and then that machine is like "Oh, hey, a ...

<Tatey> ... request, here, have a webpage" and spits back out port 80 to my web browser

<Cyvros> Ah.

<Tatey> there has to be an advanced section, or a section somewhere that has "Port Forwarding"

<Tatey> computers and networks at a fundamental level are *very* interesting

<Tatey> it's suprising that it even all works

<Cyvros> Single Port Forwarding and Port Range Forwarding.

<Tatey> single

<Tatey> you're only forwarding a single port

<siccness> heres the reason why these are so hard build

<siccness> because there's about 80,000 variables just to install software

<Cyvros> Tatey: Yep. I pastebinned the port 80 line earlier.

* Cyvros scrolls.

<Cyvros> http://pastebin.ca/raw/320507

<Tatey> well, turn enable to checked

<Tatey> and

<Tatey> make sure the IP is the one of the machine with litehttpd

<Cyvros> Done.

<Tatey> still can't access it

<Cyvros> It should come up with a dodgy-looking site called 'Geocomtex'.

<Tatey> so you've got port 80 tcp/upd forwarded to 192.168.1.66 ?

<Cyvros> It's a BBC tie-in site I grabbed a couple of years ago.

<Cyvros> Yep.

<Tatey> checked and enable

<Cyvros> Actually...

<Tatey> hmm, should work then...

<Cyvros> It has an option - TCP or UDP.

<Tatey> it should be TCP

<Cyvros> Okay. It's on TCP.

<Cyvros> 8 PVC connections to select from. No 1 is selected.

<Cyvros> Anyway, I *have* to go to bed now.

<Cyvros> Thanks for your help, Tatey and siccness. G'nite, all.

<Tatey> night

<siccness> Night

*** jean-b is now known as bartist

<bartist> hello there

<bartist> i am having issues with sound

<Tatey> hi

<bartist> i have tried many things, with no success

<siccness> Those issues would be?

<siccness> I'm assuming 'no-sound'?

<Tatey> what soundcard do you have?

<bartist> Interl 82801CA-ICH3

<bartist> it worked fine on ubuntu dapper

<bartist> worked a bit on kubuntu edgy

<Tatey> going to say, should be supported

<bartist> and then never worked again

<bartist> it is very frustrating

<Tatey> are you using GNOME?

<bartist> kde

<Tatey> ahh, I'm not familiar with KDE. You could open a terminal and type "alsamixer"

<bartist> done, nothing is muted

<Tatey> make sure all the channels aren't muted, and that they're turned up. The ones to look for are Master and PCM

<siccness> Heh

<Tatey> bartist: seriously, try #ubuntu

<Tatey> there will be more knowledgable people there

<Tatey> I'm not entirely familiar with Ubuntu

<bartist> i have spent days on #ubuntu

<siccness> does lsmod show snd_*?

<bartist> i came here to contact the loco team

<bartist> lsmod shows 3 snd_

<siccness> they are?

<bartist> snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus

<siccness> ok im pretty sure there's supposed to be more than that

<quail> the dead has a waken

<bartist> thanx, that's a clue

<bartist> how many do you have yourself?

<siccness> 14

<bartist> woaw

<siccness> a few of them are there because of the OSS layer

<siccness> what does modprobe snd_pcm do?

<bartist> it does nothing

<siccness> Hmm

<bartist> what should that do?

<siccness> It'd load snd_pcm

<siccness> (noticable by doing lsmod again)

<bartist> may be it loaded it

<bartist> i'll try lsmod

<siccness> if you don't receive a message after modprobe, than it means it was successful.

<bartist> then it was succesful

<bartist> i can see snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm_oss

<siccness> but im assuming no sound still?

<bartist> snd_pcm snd_timer

<bartist> no soind

<merlin-linux> whats happen girls

<siccness> merlin-linux: fix bartist's sound shit

<merlin-linux> oh k

<siccness> :P

<Tatey> hi merlin-linux

<merlin-linux> hiya Tatey

<bartist> pfff its pissing me off

<bartist> i ve spent days on google to try to find a solution

<Tatey> bartist: admittedly, siccness and I don't even use Ubuntu

<bartist> ??

<siccness> why are things so much easier for us :\

<bartist> i dont either

<bartist> i use kubuntu

<siccness> same thing as ubuntu mate

<siccness> just a different DE

<bartist> lol

<bartist> what do you use?

<bartist> well thanx and good night

<siccness> just quickly

<siccness> type: lspci | grep Audio

<siccness> * type: lspci | grep audio

<bartist> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02

<siccness> the only thing i can think of is if ALSA has selected a different card

<siccness> but im not real sure :|

<bartist> well thanx anyway

<siccness> sorry mate :|

<bartist> good night

<siccness> nite

<Tatey> well, that's that

<Tatey> we're the worst ubuntu support people, ever

<siccness> I'd have to agree :P

<siccness> I just realised I have absolutely no idea on sound :|

<Tatey> mines always just worked

<siccness> Same, and if not, it's usually just because I compiled the kernel wrong

<merlin-linux> hehe i would have help as i am bit of a hacker, but it to damn late

<siccness> There is one thing I do need to work out

<siccness> and that's what kernel modules I should use for my hardware

<siccness> Rather than narrowing it down to a few

<merlin-linux> solution is easy to it all tho

<merlin-linux> and that to unload all the sound modules and then reload them manuallly

<Tatey> siccness: don't you build everything into the kernel?

<merlin-linux> just incase the wrong modules are loaded

<siccness> Nah

<Tatey> when I build custom kernels, I always build everything into the kernel, rather than use modules

<siccness> It depends

<siccness> I built ext fs into the kernel :P

<siccness> *build

<Tatey> you pretty much have to :P

<siccness> yup heh

<Tatey> otherwise you need to load the module from a compressed image before the kernel is actually loaded :P

<siccness> indeedl

<siccness> y

<Tatey> imagine removing the module from the kernel

<Tatey> whoops, there goes the ability to write to the FS :P

<siccness> lol

<Tatey> PS: Ext is for nubs

<Tatey> :P

<Tatey> you know 2.6.20 includes Ext4?

<siccness> I did read something about that yeah

<Tatey> it's apparently a lot faster

<Tatey> I've found Ext3 to be slower than ReiserFS, especially when it comes to the Pacman database

<Tatey> and I'm more familiar with the FS tools too

<siccness> I was considering the use of MurdererFS

<siccness> but I'm still not sure

<Tatey> LOL

<Tatey> yes, he killed his wife didn't he?

<siccness> Yeah

<siccness> "allegedly"

<siccness> but all geeks are murderers inside

<Tatey> yea, I murder people all the time

<merlin-linux> hehe

<Tatey> support for ReiserFS is dying, and I guess a fair few people are like "MurdererFS"

<siccness> It's all fun and games this :)

<Tatey> man

<Tatey> I should go to bed

<siccness> lol

* siccness wonders if he should crack open menuconfig and have a look at the help-screens

<siccness> could be of some use :|

<Tatey> how about you crack open Firefox and download Arch? :P

<siccness> how about you crack open a can of shut the *beep* up? :D

<Tatey> lawl :)

<Tatey> hey, did you hear Sun might license OpenSolaris entirely under GPLv3?

<siccness> nope?

<Tatey> was on /.

* siccness heads towards /.

<Tatey> OS would be a serious contender

<Tatey> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/17/1644217&from=rss

<Tatey> I'd have no objection to OS if it was completely licensed under GPLv3

<merlin-linux> well i am going to murder some Zzzz

<Tatey> night merlin-linux

<siccness> Night mate

<siccness> what exactly does 'container flavor' mean?

<merlin-linux> night Tatey n siccness

<Tatey> siccness: no idea, guess he's implying a complete alternative to BSD and Linux?

<Tatey> ohh, if they lisenced ZFS... how leet

<siccness> Hmm, interesting.

<Tatey> well, I'm off mate

<Tatey> have a good one

<siccness> Catch mate, take care.

<Draicone> purserj: CSS' font-size is equivalent to <font size="..."> isn't it?

<purserj> I believe so

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